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In October the Prime Minister claimed to represent a break from the past. In November he brought the past into the cabinet office by re-hiring David Cameron as Foreign Secretary, shortly after sacking Home Secretary Suella Braverman.
Andrew Marr explains why this week’s huge reshuffle news confirms the end of conservative England as the dominant political force in the UK.
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There are so many bright minds in the UK. I am so baffled how a party could drag the whole country down in every aspect for 13 years without being stopped earlier.
48% were bright enough to realise that this Archipelago is part.of Europe... including a majority of.Scots and Northern Irish. As the Tories are essentially an English party that means that they are elected by a population not smart enough to understand basic geography.
Never underestimate Labours ability to defeat itself. First Miliband, then the Corbyn nightmare, and now Labour MPs resigning because of Gaza, which is something they literally have no influence over anyway. The Labour Left always find a way to keep Tories in power.
@@paulfr6768 I can't agree more. Shouldn't the left focus on all the issues within the UK first before getting worked up about a foreign affair.
its called greed. A grab it and grasp it mentality that has pervaded the UK for over 40 years. Rational Britain ended when Margaret Thatcher took over and legitimised unrestrained greed, and short term gain The Tories have continued to sell that message to the present day.
@@paulfr6768 not helped by Starmer digging his heels in over this rather than recognising it's not that important as far as a GE is concerned and allowing a free vote. Incidentally, I don't think the Left want to win a GE. They might have to get their hands dirty dealing with the messy realities of government.
The Tories deserve to be totally unelectable for generations to come after the damage they've done to this country.
Everyone can see it with the state of the nhs, lack of infrastructure, poor pay, unsecure work and cost of living.
Please, British love the damage! They will vote the conservative again not even 3 years in
They said that last time. The one constant in the Conservative party is its ability to adapt. Sometimes takes a while, but they'll be back.
People in this country don’t have political memories lasting for generations (except in Northern Ireland, which doesn’t count as NI has its own political parties).
Not to mention Brexit which has ultimately been the cause of all the political turbulence that has since ensued @@ab8865
350 mps and they couldn’t find a foreign secretary !!!! Says it all
They have no MPs at least they won't have after the next election theyll be crushed into the oblivion in the next election they are a left wing party pretending to be a right wing party to get elected but now the cats out of the bag they're history
How could you possibly find any one capable of any thing from the Establishment spoilt, pampered multi millionaire Public School clique who have had their noses wiped all their lives and never had to struggle for anything. One public school in particular should be ashamed of what they produced.
I was born in 1947. I have never voted Tory and never will. In all the Governments they have been in control of over my years, I cannot think of one thing they have done that has benefited us ordinary citizens. Yes you might mention this or that,but we are no better off now than we were ever in our history 😢😢😢😢
I noticed they waited until those that died in WW1 were all gone, and still waiting for those that died in WW2?
Bastards!!
I too was born in 1947 and what gets my goat is the myth that "Conservatives are better with the economy". No they are not it's a myth.
@@kenmay1572The trade unions weren't very happy with Labour in 1978/ 1979, were they? 👀 They brought down the Labour govt.
As a cynic I also wonder where all the money they have saved by the large amount of pensioners dying gone ? Yet they still want to give tax breaks to the rich !!!
And he stands there in his dickybow and preaches about how they done well for our Country! discusting, just discusting.
Depressing to think they're going to take it right to the bitter end!
Yep. Show a bit of dignity and call an election.
The voters deserve better.
Fishy Rishi wants his India deal enrichment for the family first!
Think he must have been watching "Downfall". #bunkermentality.
There needs to be some rule that in the event of a new PM, an election must take place within the next [3 or 6 or 12 or whatever] months. Yes, the system has been that you elect a party, not a PM, but in fact, the reality is that elections are led by candidate PMs and the PM, and the front bench, are very much what people are electing. When that changes materially, the people need to be able to endorse (or not) that.
Further, the prominence of extremists like Braverman is very much a symptom of the FPTP system. In a PR or single transferrable vote system, extremists would tend to be sidelined, not boosted.
In fact, the governance of the UK in the last 10-15 years is one of the strongest arguments against FPTP there is. It's really messed up the UK.
Cameron campaigned in 2015 warning against the ‘chaos’ that would rain down in the event of a Miliband/Balls victory. My goodness how different would our country’s path have been if the two Eds had taken the reins in June 2015
And me
gerardmackay8908
That damn bacon sarnie.
Labour will have to be on their guard more then ever now.ln the next 12 months they will be up against the dirtiest political fight imaginable.
But labour never have been able to manage the books and with events such as Covid I don’t think it would that much different .corrupt politicians!
@@christinefiedor3518the Tory’s spent billions and it went straight from the tax payer in to the pockets of donors and management consultants
Ed Balls, the man who replaced qualified teachers with cover supervisors.
I am sick and tired of the way this country is being dragged through the dirt by a constantly bickering tory government.
Could be worse. We could have flip flop Anti British E.U loving Starmer
@@stellaadams7289actually it literally could not be worse.
Oh yes, let’s all share a tear for poor England
@@TBrl8course it can get worse 😂😂 you live in one of the most successful nations ever made 😂 if not the most successful 😂
@@James_36correct, I don’t live in England. However, joking aside, Jimmy, Boris Johnson, Liz truss, Sunak, May, David Cameron back in govt. brexit, Nigel farage about to rejoin the party, 30p Lee. Michal fabricants hair = no it cannot get worse.
“Everything we’ve achieved in the last year”? I must have missed that. I see utterly no achievements whatsoever.
TBF... they have filled their pockets, squandered tax payers money and brought the NHS to it's knees.
Potholes might be filled? Lol. That is it but even that is a maybe.
Sunak doesn't care what he does to UK politics as long as he has time to get a trade deal for his father-in-law and that is why he chose Cameron's; as a Lord he is not accountable to the Commons.
I wager a trade deal will be announced without a commons vote on it.
His father-in-law actually wanted the far bigger, sweeter trade deal with the EU.
The sticking point was that one of the member states was vetoing it.
Bet you can't guess which one it was?
And that's why Rat Face Rishi was ardent Brexiteer.
The first person Cameron spoke to when he got the post was his opposite in India. Not Israel or Ukraine. But India. Sunak only wanted both posts he held because he saw the money signs and the doors those positions opened up to him that would otherwise never have been open. Plus he was in charge of fixing things to benefit him and his Mrs and father-in-law. While he waits for his riches he is destroying this country and our lives. The son of immigrants now wants to take all of OUR rights before he sods off back to the States. A free country. His links to the WEF should scare people too. Not forgetting his part in eat out to help out kill 20,000 more of us. Now he stands there like a little dictator telling us he will change this country. I can't explain my hate for the conman.
Cameron may be brokering a China deal for murthy?
So you think Sunak was planning this all along? He backed Brexit in order to plunge the country into economic chaos and an immigration crisis, knowing that after just two general elections and four prime ministers, he would wind up in No. 10, where after a bit more politicking, he would appoint an ennobled David Cameron as Foreign Secretary, who would broker a trade deal with India on his behalf, without any accountability on the floor of the House of Commons, thereby enriching his own father-in-law, because you just can't trust 'em, can you? That's brilliant! Crazy _and_ racist!
@@Ozymandi_asyep. Rishi (who is new to politics) he just trying his best. He's now finally shown his colours.
Sunak patting himself on the back for all he's achieved in the last year is hilarious.
Its hard to see whats happening on the ground in England when you fly over it in a helicopter
@@dj_cakesor floating up in the clouds somewhere
Loving the clip with Cameron and the pigs. Very clever who ever did that! 😂
Yep gotta agree on that, I was surprised at his self control 😂. It would be like that scene in deliverance. ( Squeal piggy squeal).
Sunak father in law bought shares in BP just before a massive oil find in Israel. BP got the contract. How strange. Sunak doesn’t want to hamper the ambitions of oil companies and invest in green alternatives because he benefits personally. If that’s not a conflict of interests, I don’t know what is. His wife earns £12m a year in dividends from BP. She’s a billionaire.
That "oil find in Israel" is just off the coast of Gaza, Israel has no legal claim to it though they're extracting the gas.
He's only there for the India trade deal...guaranteed billions for the family.
@Downarshed let's hope he's no longer PM before that deal goes through. 😂😂😂😂
Well said
@@alanhat5252
Israel doesn’t care about what’s legal. They’ve been breaking international law since 1948.
This is totally embarrassing. Sunak’ s scattergun approach to government hastened the demise of Conservatives but appointing Cameron was the final nail in the coffin. If there is any justice, they will never again regain control of the country.
Cameron cant be bullied by the ERG on an interpersonal level , but they're trying it anyway , self destruction isn't even their minds
I'd suggest quite a lot of the damage was done before Sunak became PM.
A month ago, Sunak talking about making the hard long-term decisions for the country and breaking from the past, then brings back Cameron. Cameron the man behind a Brexit vote (assumed remain would win without campaigning enough) and crushing austerity. The arsonist returning to the scene of the crime.
Sunak has spent 12 months achieving nothing and is now in the home straight of a crushing election defeat. 14 years not of ‘Hope and Change’ but incompetence and destruction.
@@jamalangeli8122you spelled "David Cameron" wrong.
@@kiljaeden7663 No, I don't think he did. He just omitted David Cameron to the list along with Boris Johnson. It is Tony Blair that turned the UK into a belly crawling, kowtowing machine to the Americans. Famously depicted in George Michael's music video as a poodle lap dog to then US President George Bush. It was around that time or shortly after did we start hearing this nonsense about the Atlantic Ocean being a pond. Furthermore, whilst Tony Blair was the one that helped bring about the formation of the then Welsh Assembly (now Senedd), Scottish Parliament and the Northern Irish Assembly, he failed to create an English Parliament that cemented the fact that the UK Government to all intents and purposes is English. A huge failure and Cameron's foolish decision to hold a referendum on EU membership followed by Johnson's daft, ludicrous populist politics has all taken their toll not only on UK politics but on the strength of the union itself.
6:25 Whoever edited this in, we see you! 🤣🤣
Oink, oink!
He's on the pig equivalent of Tinder.
Those are some mighty attractive pigs you got there, miiiiighty attractive.
Savage 🤣
Haha, yes!
It really is time the Conservative party should be consigned to the history books as a lesson in arrogant incompetence and greed for their own self gain.
Yes buying BP shares and then awarding BP a licence to drill in the North Sea. It smacks of insider trading.
Andrew, you are an absolute star, great analysis, both funny and sad. Britain deserves so much more.
But too kind to Teflon Dave.
@@jamesprice4647 Yeah, Cameron should have put some conditions on the referendum result, based on turn out or margin of victory...
I'm afraid Britain doesn't deserve more. It gets exactly what it deserves because so few of the electorate vote. The very last thing the tories or Labour want is a 100% electoral turnout.
Well that's hopeful, thank you.
The thought that the Torys might be out of our hair for a generation has really cheered me up.
But how much more damage before we are rid of them?
@@normanchristie4524 ... and how much MORE damage when Labour get in .... Switch that Muppet-O-Meter right up to Number 11 🤣
@@halley4032Labour damage? What evidence do you have of that bogus claim?
More damage than this Tory omnishambles?🤡 That's a fxxking tall order m8
I fear the next iteration could be far worse. Even in opposition.
What's wrong with Cameron calling Gaza an open air prison camp, that's what it is.
True, Hamas is holding the people hostage
It is a Concentration Camp
@@milsub59 seeing what Auschwitz looks like, not really.
Not even close to the Stasi prison
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 Yeah I wouldn't go as far as saying concentration camp but it is a prison
I think the point was more "Does he still think that and if so will he lean on Israel a bit?"
Lost the will to govern but not the will to stay in power - despite the damage it is inflicting on the country.
They're not true Conservatives any more.
I haven't seen Andrew Marr for yonks! Great to see him again. I'm glad to see him well.
"Shire Tories". Need to change the 4th letter there.
The Rories.
Ah scheiße!
Boris sold them out with his Brexit deal there not going to vote Con next election if the Lib Dems campaign hard enough
It still doesn't spell horses.
Or possibly remove the first letter!
"The end of Conservative England"? I will open a bottle of champagne here in continental Europe at Christmas and raise a glass to this, whilst genuinely thanking God.
I'm not convinced this lot can be classed as Conservatives really. Come to think of it, same with Labour, they're almost 'aligned' in many ways. Both despise the working classes
I’ll be joining you in the toast @alours6993. And looking forward to getting back my right to vote so I can help to vote the bu-ers out.
😂😂😂 not one reason given as to why that is, so with this comment you assume stalmer and raynor are a bright future for the UK 😂😂. I cannot wait for all the tyrannical identity politics laws to be passed by them and even more taxed than I already am 😂
Andrew Marr, I salute you, sir! You are a real patriot and gentleman acting in the British interest.
Ill be the judge of that
Certainly no longer my party, which I realised in 2019 after being lifelong Tory. I am 70 years old by the way.
I have voted Conservative in the past. I won't forgive them for what they have done. They allowed the right of the party to take over.
@@richardcoppack5357 😂😂 so only left wingers are allowed in the meant to be “right wing” conservative party 😂😂😂
If the Conservatives really cared about the country they would call an election now so we can rebuild asap
And THAT'S the question on the electorate's mind. Starmer has sat back and watched this mess unfurl for a long time. We know there are some in his party who would prefer another leader so he's walking on eggshells as it is. But i think the electorate might have preferred a sign of strength from the party in waiting
That's the opposite of tory mindset they will pillage every last drop of money they can out of the country for as long as there tight arses can clench down
@@johnrowland3105he can’t afford to go against the previous Tory voters that don’t like this particular Tory government and also those who might vote for the even more right wing that used to vote labour. He’s between a rock and a hard place right now.
Rebuild 😂 wtf are you talking about 😂 - please be specific on what has been destroyed and what needs to be “rebuilt “ I’d love to know 😂
Well i think anyone with common sense can answer what has been destroyed. The NHS - less beds, longer waiting times and not just because of covid, our military latest MOD reports have issues stark warnings over lack of investment in our army, navy and airforce, the utter splurge of tax payer money on stupid polices like putting immigrants in hotels , instead of negotiating concrete treaties with France to stop the boats getting here in the first place, now they wanna spend millions more jet setting em off to a country 100's of miles away basically passing the buck but still paying for it, our transport infrastructure which in parts especially in the north have not been upgrade since Victorian days, local businesses being left to die out as a result, the constant dithering between different prime ministers now they just brought back an old face cos they are falling like a stack of cards so much for party of the new lol , legit the list goes on and on you don't need someone to tell you open your own eyes and you will see what these arse holes have done to the country just like the did under thatcher. @@James_36
From the current trajectory, it looks as though it's going to be a really bad year for minorities and the vulnerable as they seem committed to taking out their frustrations on migrants, the ill, disabled, out of work and homeless already. Labour on the other hand aren't very strongly opposing those disgusting moves at all. Mr Kier "I agree with the government, but just a little more watered down - what was the question again" Starmer is an absolute disgrace and doesn't offer much of a departure from the Tories and considering how he wiped his ass with his pledges to get elected leader of Labour - it's a really frightening time to be a minority - There is nobody standing up for us anymore! 😰😓
What I notice, is that the Conservatives are hell bent on punishing the ill, disabled, out of work and homeless because they can't or don't work, while at the same time, those in work are striking and refusing to work. It beggars belief.
But I do believe Angela has a powerful rectoric with in the labour party and generally.
The electorate are exhausted, traumatised and in need of some practical sense going forward.
@@-emmacaton-2905 I disagree, but I would love not to. I like Angie a lot, and I'd believe in her as a leader. But she isn't leader and has to vote with Starmer and tarnish her record to stay in the running for future. Liz Kendall went on Sky to prove my point, she refused to distance herself from the Tory policy on disabled. I agree, I think there needs to be a bunch of fundamental reforms to the system itself because it's not working and becoming alarmingly unstable already.. And the public are just exhausted
@@reinaswift8457 so why do I resonate with Angela is the question, she's come up from a space I shared as a single mother in the 90's, and enjoyed the investment in my community and have always appreciated that there was the funding to do so.
It's sometimes so difficult to stand up for an overlooked benefit in the past after such a volatile decade.
But to have any kind of affinity or considered association whilst being lampblasted with the current nihilism is just so pessimistic and to be honest boring.
So it's going to take each of us to step up for supporting and taking the opportunity to influence by voice and voting with nuance. About time. I'm so tired that I'm willing to be patient and humble to all opinions. It's what it is to live with independent thought in a confused world. X
@@-emmacaton-2905 I trust her because of her background it has made her very in tune with understanding how difficult life can be for the poorest on the ground and that I feel gives her a good sense of judgement and empathy toward the more vulnerable. That is what has come out when I've seen her speak anyway.
Sadly, she doesn't have enough of a voice within the party to alter its direction. When you have the likes of Starmer, Kendall and Reeves at the helm, I don't think that tanker is turning around any time soon.
I'll still be casting my vote, possibly tactically if there is nobody willing to vocally commit to standing up for the vulnerable and the kinds of policies that are important to me on the ballot.
We need PR so badly. Otherwise we get them back in 5 years
Indeed. As things stand, we'll not only get them back in 5-10 years, it'll likely be a further right version spearheaded by Braverman and her ilk.
At what point in the debacle, can we expect any politician to act in the best interest of the majority of the people they are meant to govern ?
13 years of mis-rule and pantomime characters totally absorbed by their own grasp for power, influence and the money that they can grift from any ministerial appointment.
"govern"?? They're appointed to *_represent_* us!
Too much US TV? In the US "grift" means bribery. In the UK "grift" means working hard. We are talking about the UK. Just saying..
@@stevep4131Seriously
Are you mistaken the word grift with graft.
Cameron 's strength always was presentation rather than mastery of detail. But austerity was necessary following the overspending of the Blair and Brown years.
I'm wondering how long it will be before Osborne is also back in the cabinet.
they are "bringing the band back together"
@@ab-ym3bf The boys are back in town .
Hope not Cameron and Osborne started off the rot.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Don’t even joke about it
He's back to witness the end of the clusterfuck he started.
Sunak stating that the appointment of Cameron will buid upon everything we have achieved in the last year....could someone please clarify any!?
"Sickly sweet smell of death within the Conservative Party"...sums them up to a tee, Andrew!😆👍
Spot on, in my opinion. The Red Wall has long been lost, now it's more about saving the furniture and minimizing losses in previously solid Tory seats. (And spot on also about Angela Jenkyns. Just heard her on the Today programme and her crass stupidity made my toes curl. Can't wait for her to be out of Parliament and replaced by someone with an iota of intelligence. And, yes, I know this will rub up her supporters the wrong way, but know they are in the minority, so don't care.)
I thought they'd flogged the furniture when they realised the silver cupboard was bare.
Labour could guarantee a majority by offering proportional representation, which would facilitate an electoral pact with LD, SNP and Greens.
He is correct in concluding the Rishi has chosen sides, but Rishi has chosen the wrong side. In 2019 Boris was as much as 26% ahead of Labour in the polls. Now after appointing Cameron, Sunak is 30% behind.
@@gordondavies7773 Both Labour and the Conservatives campaigned against the AV referendum. They both prefer a two party system.
@@vonn9737 I agree. That is why Labour will always have to depend on Scotland to win a majority. But as Scottish independence is inevitable, the question being 'When', Labour needs to change its opinion on proportional representation
Of course an intelligent, thoughtful and enlightening analysis of the current state of conservatism in Britain
England. We have bitter little unionists in Scotland.
from the left...
As John Bercow aptly put it in an interview with Times Radio earlier this week, " A rotting corpse of a Government ".
@@RobertLogan the SNP is being swept from power in Scotland Labour is back so I highly doubt Unionists are sacred in fact that have won to keep the country together for the next decade at minimum.
@@covfefe1787 Say it like it is! Eh .... ROFL - 2 MPs. BOOM
I really fucking hope so Andrew. I really hope so. They have to go.
& get Starmer & the motley crew of front bench Labour Party? They are going to jack up taxes in a recession, waste money, & end up doing corruption, and in Orwellian style the pigs will be wearing trousers) The cycle will continue, with the Tories returning, & Starmer going off to give £1m speeches and a wink wink to banks and corporations! Still with rising inflation, & London property price rises, that will probably only buy him a bed sit in a gentrified sink estate by then! :)
Camerons Calamity/Boris Bungling/Mays Mayhem/Truss the Trasher/ Sunak the party Sinker/13 years of Trump like management what a legacy
Can sunak give me a bit more detail on just what the cons have achieved in the last year, or 13 years??????
Excellent resume of the situation from Andrew Marr, as always. The top journalist of the UK.
We could have forgotten the David Cameron plan to remain in the EU but then he returns to remind us!
Whenever the Tories lose they think it's because they are not sufficiently right wing.
I don't they have been in my lifetime, all I see are labour policies done slower.
Same here in Australia. The LNP (our conservative coalition) lose an election for being too conservative, so their solution is to recruit the services of the Murdoch Press and lurch further to the right. It's bonkers...
That's part of the very core of Conservative values and thinking. The world "should" fit into a prescribed hierarchy, everyone in their place. To a conservative, the issues faced by society are always traced back to someone attempting to break out of their place. Therefore, to restore the way of things, you have to be _more_ of whatever it is the hierarchy is supposed to be. If it's based on racial purity you have to be more aggressive about racial purity, if it's based on religious fervour you need more piety. If you do that, and the world is still not the way it "should be", it's because you're not trying hard enough. More piety, _more_ piety!
Conservatism as a worldview is ultimately self-defeating, because the only true natural hierarchy is strong vs weak, which is overcome by both democratic instinct and eduction, and the presence of weapons capable of mass destruction.
Humanity is living through a 500-year period, starting in the 1750s or so, where we figure out that if we are to endure, we must abandon conservatism and embrace egalitarianism.
@@mf_rat This is the argument extremists at both ends of the political spectrum use:
'This Left-wing party is Right-wing,'
'This Right-wing party is Left-wing'.
When you are to the Right of Ghengis Khan then everything seems Left-wing!
We have pretty clear definitions of Left and Right, and using those words but giving them different meanings isn't wise or honest.
It’s hilarious that you think the Tories are right wing. You people really are clueless.
6:27 - Showing him with a bunch of pigs - well done.
😂😂😂😂
They do look a bit young...
I like Andrew Marr. Intelligent, level headed and clear.
And relentlessly biassed.
Noam Chomsky put Andrew Marr in his place, and the whole time of his BBC career he stuck to his Tory persona
@@barrieroberts75 Marr is no Tory though, he is more of a Blairite.
@@alphabetaxenonzzzcat😂😂 you means who gave out communist leaflets out in London 😂😂😂
Well if your government is a circus, why not bring in the clown.
As you say Andrew, it has been a tedious and self-interested pantomime that we are all heartily sick of and the country cannot afford.
This Lord Cruddas fella must be Cruddas by name and Cruddas by nature if he's tweeting, in November 2023, that "remain has won"... Soon he'll be warning us that the French have won the battle of Trafalgar....
They've just been playing the long game...
Right at the end, Andrew says ‘David Cameron will not have given up all his nice private contracts to come back and be Foreign Secretary for just a few months’. I don’t think the sentence needed that last bit on the end.
I had a bit of a reshuffle of the gravy packets in my food cupboard this week too, chicken gravy went to the back where it belongs.
he betrayed his people who he represents his personal thoughts don't come into it, I will not be voting again I've lost it with the government ,
We need a new party, Blue and Red have proved there incompetence over and over, enough is enough! Cameron ran off when he didn't get his way, and now he is rewarded with a peerage! All self-serving individuals with no sense of servitude to the British public.
Like Trump, BoJo simply said anything the desperate middle class wanted to hear, and that works best. 2016 andx2019 were the most disastrous years of modern England.
We need proportional voting in GB so the sections within the conservatives and Labour can stand as separate parties and then form a coalition government after every election.
Nothing gets done under coalitions. People pulling in opposite directions will NEVER work together.
So you prefer strong government over democracy ok.
@@garrettosullivan8830 I prefer a Government that listens to what the electorate says! That would be democracy, cause Labour, LibDems and Conservatives are frankly as bad as each and don't represent the UK people view at all!
eg the UK population WANT lower immigration. Not because the UK is inherently racist. But because we haven't got the infrastructure (homes, health car, schools, road space) to support 600K people turning up every year forever! And we cant throw money at those because we also want lower taxes!
But all 3 parties talk the talk but wont do what is necessary!
PR is not the magic bullet people think it is.
He’s the beginning of the end…….again.
That clip used of Cameron with the pigs had me crying
Cameron says he wants to conduct public service: after he has become the victim of his own forecast of another scandal - Greensill. Cameron is morally flawed for such service.
Marr articulates very well what a lot of people see....the slow and painful death of the Conservative and Unionist Party.
Superb analysis. I think you're absolutely right. Sunak was always going to be up against it from the moment he was selected. But you have to ask why on earth was one of the highest offices of state 'hijacked' by such an extreme 'off message' protagonist without getting her wings clipped by the Prime Minister before this week necessitated it ?
And quite WHAT the message is having the 'architect' of the beginnings of the upheaval return to the cabinet says to the nation and the wider world....
The Brexit referendum result was to my mind
unconvincing.
The margin was less than 2% and the turnout just 72%.
Given the strategic importance of the issue, the prevailing circumstances where people were in a negative frame of mind for unrelated reasons, and particularly that the change would mainly affect younger generations not yet enrolled, arguably the decision should have been based on a super majority, say 55%. If it had been the brexit proposal would have been lost by a good margin.
I’ve been wondering if Rishi was having an affair with Suella, because she behaved as if she was untouchable.....
The reason he's hanging on is to make sure the India deal goes through that's what he's hanging on for which by the way will not benefit this country in anyway.
The end of the Tories? Sure.
The end of the conservatives? Not if Kier Starmer has anything to say about it.
They don't have the numbers to topple him but the people do.
I love the clip of Cameron feeding the pigs.... reminds me of a story I once heard about him....
I enjoyed listening to this analysis. Marr appears to be continuing in the discovery of his backbone since leaving the BBC.
Can I just point out that Starmer can put an end to the Conservatives ever gaining such unrestrained power again. He just needs to introduce PR.
PR was rejected in a referendum during the coalition by a wider margin than Brexit. What's the point of arguing for it? And remember, an upside of First Past the Post is that Nigel Farage has never been elected as an MP.
@@mikesommers1068 PR was rejected by English votes. Which approaches the heart of the need for PR. Only England uses FPTP. It forces this undemocratic period piece on the rest of the disUnited Kingdom.
Ireland's Reunification and Scotland's independence are hastened by our enjoyment of PR in our own countries. The imposition of England's FPTP preference on the disUnited Kingdom is another divisive fact which the English alone embrace.
@@lindabastable3021 Please, do get an education. You had your chance of independence, and you never took it. If there's to be any further referendums on the issue, then it can only be a referendum of the English, Welsh and N. Irish deciding, whether, or not, we want to allow Scotland to remain part of this country.
As it's no different from having a traitor in our midsts. And with Scotland's history of treachery, it's something that should be carefully considered.
@@hotstepper887I’m utterly delighted that you see us as traitors. Because the current iteration of the Tory party is skirting perilously close to fascism. If you support that, then you’re right. I’m you’re enemy and so is any right thinking citizen of the U.K.
@@hotstepper887 Oh, dear. You obviously get your anglicised version of 'news' from the unashamedly right wing mainstream media.
Might I suggest that you venture into the international arena. You will no doubt be shocked to discover the vast gulf between English versions of opinions on Scotland, and those of practically every other country on the planet. Most devices have translation apps you can utilise. There are uncounted examples to choose from.
* On the original vote for Independence I would draw to your attention the fact that England threatened to refuse independent Scotland's entry to the EU. This had the effect of paralyzing many Independence voters, who abstained from voting.
* Scotland voted heavily in favour of remaining within the EU. In fact brexit was a huge boost to the cause of Independence. People were given the stark choice of basic identity. They could choose any two of Scottish, British or European. They could no longer be all three.
* Since the first referendum the polls have consistently shown that, in 10 year tranches, the only Scottish group to support remaining within the disUnited Kingdom are the 65+ age group. The inverse correlation between age and support for Independence never wavers. The younger the age, the greater the percentage of support. I presume it is unnecessary to point out that natural attrition erodes the original 65+ age group, whilst swelling each other group.
In fact, the intervening years since 2014 have provided ferrtile ground for Scotland to sharpen policies on almost every subject. Scotland now is much better prepared than in 2014. We have been invited to join EFTA. Several EU countries are on record that we will be welcomed back. We have new 'trade' offices which require only a change of letterhead to become embassies.
I could write a small book detailing Scotland's actions. However, I will leave you with merely these observations, drawn from English language sources:-
# Both Carney and Posen, Canadian and American, imported to run the Bank of England, have stated independent Scotland will be financially viable.
# S&P, have awarded independent Scotland a putative financial rating of AA+. They have never reduced this. Meanwhile GB's rating has slipped from AAA+ to below that of Scotland's.
# Bloomberg has a scathing episode where a representative of the Bank of England attempts to portray independent Scotland as an unworkable fantasy. Her argument is shredded by the Male interviewer, himself a financial man.
My penultimate observation is that the Edinburgh Agreement contains a clause (I can't recall off the top of my head whether it is 14, 16 or 19) which states clearly that Scotland has the right to independently call referdenda.
My very last word is a query to your common sense - if Scotland is a burden on England why are the English so determined to hold on to Scotland? England is governed by self interest. It is not a charitable institution. Pejoratives such as 'grant' and 'subsidy' and 'GERS' give the impression that England supports Scotland, but the bare numbers contradict this illusion.
We're drinking the sediment now and it's making me puke
Andrew, speaking as one of the people in the North who voted Tory last time - it was simply because I didn't want a fantasist - Marxist in charge, even though I have never voted Tory before. You may rest assured that when the Labour vote crushes the tories at the next election it is NOT because Johnson (who belongs in prison) was ousted, it is simply because the labour party flirtation with insanity is over.
Not as over as we might hope
But weren’t you Northern moaners Marxist to begin with?
If they try to sack Sunak, I think the PM will call an election and get enough support for it.
Sickly smell of death around the Tories, absolutely right Andrew. And we have to tolerate & suffer the stench of it - and the damage to the country caused by this shower - for at least another year it seems...🤬
The citizens of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and East Germany took their fate into their own hands in the autumn of 1989 by removing from office governments which made daily life wretched and horrible. The UK does not have to wait. The example has been given. When people understand that they can act to stop those who do harm from doing more, they will know courage.
Sickly smell of death around the Tories sums it up perfectly. And yes Marr's probably on the money that Cameroon's appointment tells us there's another year of this corpse government. Nothing good will be achieved in that time when the thieves fall out over who's taken what while taking yet more.
And how long are we going to remain alongside this sickly deathbed ? How long are the homeless going to remain homeless ? How long are people forced on to the streets because of ever rising rents ? As we remain ( not in mourning ) but dying alongside them and cannot receive adequate NHS treatment in hospitals not fit to purpose ?
When he threw his rattle out of his pram ,he should have gone with it permanently.
Not only are the Tories finished as the party of governance but also as a political force in the UK.
Yes thank god.
I hope you’re right!
It's up to us the electorate to ensure they never get back in.@@JohnHollyoak-vx6pn
I only watch this channel when it is an Andrew M presentation. They are so well thought through and perceptive.
Our democratic systems are over ripe and desperately need overhauling. The two house system and our primitive two party first past the post voting system are no longer fit for purpose.
He IS the conservative England.
A return to welfare cuts. Not heard much since 2016.
He tripled tuition fees without cutting interest from state student loans company.
He did council cuts which caused youth club closures.
He cosied up to markets when they called for company job cuts to keep shareholder dividends up.
He nagged the UK citizens about debt like we were kids.
This is the mantlepiece of CONSERVATIVENESS.
Only Maggie went further.
Dave has far too much baggage to be a credible FS or hold any role in Government, he’s not even an MP. Ridiculous government and embarrassment on the world stage.
The Conservatives need to split into two otherwise the infighting will never stop
As do Labour. They are killing each other here in Liverpool. It is brutal here.
@@paulamos8781 true, hardliners and liberals - same problem
I think this is a fair, accurate and honest appraisal of the re-shuffle and your assessment of the consequences is equally so. I consider myself part of the group the Prime Minister has decided to back but have grave reservations about what the next 12 months is going to bring. Your analogy that I and many other traditional, moderate Tory voters will be lost, without a party to represent their views and beliefs is a very worrying prospect.
The last one is an interesting point. But not the last word. That conversation between Sunak and Cameron may well just have likely gone " I need you, the party needs you, to help rescue the polling. If you can do that fast, we go in Spring. Otherwise you're in the job for a year "
Good unbiased summary. Thank you.
Syria, Libya and. lest we ever forget... the Brexit Referendum. All down to Cameron.
Dude, let brexit go. Smh
Cameron and Osborne between them (with their accomplice, Nick Clegg) are basically the architects of the state we currently find ourselves in.
To me conservative England ended during the premiership of Boris, his cabinet was filled with people who despised England and the English
Boris and Nigel will never face consequences for ruining so much.
Nigel? He’s a hero … I’d wager he will be the next leader of the Conservative Party and maybe soon your Prime Minister. We can only pray, can’t we??
@@ziggurat-builder8755 A PM who'll lie to your face and smile about it
There's an obvious link between austerity and the Brexit vote. It was a howl of rage that led to serious self harm. Moving from Tory voter to Reform would be another!
That's why so many millions will be voting Green.
Reform's fiscal policies are Batsh1t there basically Truss's with a few changes the main one is to choke of the supply side Labour pool that makes Thatcherism and supply side economics even look like it works.
Unfunded tax cuts, migration ban, leave the ECHR Fracking abandon net zero completely
Evening Pete,
I wouldn’t say that you’re wrong for putting a link between austerity and Brexit but would argue that Brexit is much more directly linked to the conservative parties abandoning of true conservative values (once electing Cameron) after Michael Howard stepped down. I believe that the political “system” we were left with in the UK alienated many voters by becoming a mirror whereby the tories sought to copy Blair’s centrist policies. I believe the gap this left amongst many voters left them feeling they were dealing with a political system whereby they had no real choice and that the Brexit vote was a rebellion against this.
Just a thought, sir. I don’t disagree with you entirely.
For sure. Vote Leave tapped into a frustration felt by millions in the country after years of austerity. They were conned into believing that Brexit would deliver a better Britain. But it clearly hasn't, and the frustration is still here. Only it is now aimed at the government rather than Brussels. The Tories have sown their own demise.
Brexit never happened. The UK just suffered the entirely predicted punishment by, not only the EU State but its own establishment.
National self-loathing is the back story and those seeds were planted by Blair.
Do Labour under Starmer mark the beginning of Conservative England?
Hard to see how his party differs from a Tory party of 15 to 20 years back.
People get confused with Fiscal Conservatism and social conservatism
I think Starmer is centre on social issues and centre left on economic ones if you look at Sunak he's centre right on social issues (don't think he cares to be honest) and hard right on Fiscal scale
Dodgy Dave was socially quite Liberal but Osborne's Fiscal policies were as hard right as Sunak's (Thatcherism + Austerity)
In a way, yes, which is why I'm going to vote for them this time round to force a change towards the centre. The ideological right have become un-Conservative, destroying the Single Market and attacking our institutions.
@@SlowhandGreg I guess it's more aligned with "shrink the state" (Tories) vs. "grow the state" (Labour) - but even that difference is harder to tell.
Yes, Labour are still more centre left socially, which generally equates to more state help which in turn equals a bigger state.
However, in the Blair years, there was indeed an adoption of a more Tory way of thinking - hence the term "Tory lite"
As Starmer is so clearly a Blairite, that's what we'll get.
That would be "Tory lite" _before_ the right wing nut jobs steered this country into a hole.
A government that feels it has to appoint a minister for common sense tells you all you need to know about No. 10.
Did I hear correctly? That opposing the extinction of the people of Gaza made Cameron "not trustworthy on foreign affairs"? I had to replay that twice to check and am still stunned. What an unpleasant glimpse into what passes for Marr's soul!
What odds Sunak drags it out to the bitter end, January 2025?
As usual, great analysis. There has to be some form of electoral reform. We cannot allow the extreme right (or extreme left) to become dominant again. It has been so damaging.
We've had logsrlaly neither of those things.
Nigel Farage and Jerment Corbyn are the closest to the two extremes we have seen in mainstream politics.
Even Patel and Braverman by the metrics of every other nation in the west is just centre right.
I'm not sure you really know what the extreme left and right even are.
The problem for both Parties is that they are serving TWO masters. The voting public and the wealthy elite. IMPOSSIBLE.
What extreme right 😂 and what is extreme right while we are at it 😂. If you are referring to boris he is a left wing liberal 😂😂
Sure. Whatever makes you happy. @@James_36
@@davidbowie50yearsofbowiean23 Extreme right is:
Our government should never pay for our General Welfare when it issues our currency.
Put another way: Money comes from tax payers who can’t afford a decent life.
Until average folks fully understand the difference between a country like the UK that issues its own currency versus Greece that does not issue its own currency, we’ll have extreme right wing austerity
Cameron was criticised by a Parliamentary Committe for a "" Significant lack of judgement"" over his dealings with Greensill Lending, he told MPs in 2021 that he earned ".. far more than what I earned as Prime Minister"" , It was around $10.000.000, that is indeed more than he got as Prime Minister, Caneron has now been elevated to the House Of Lords by Sunak in order to facilitate him being appointed to the high office of Foreign Secretary. Did his 'lack of judgement' trait also continue into his Tax affairs? has it all been above board? These questions need investigating.
So dodgy Dave as he was known, is slipping through the back door. Why? His mates paid him over £60 million after he resigned. Why??? We know...
always wonderful to get the benefit of your experience and wisdom Andrew.
Wow Andrea Jenkyn's letter is unintelligible.
I hate the Tories but their shift into the centre with the appointment of Cameron and expulsion of Braverman is smart and their only hope.
Yes and again there is the confusion (deliberate?) of anti-semitism with anti Israeli foreign policy.
I always enjoy Andrew Marr’s items on politics and History,they are always very balanced.
Hahahaaha
David Cameron’s appointment reminds me of Gordon Brown’s appointment of Peter Mandelson. A move made out of desperation
Shrewd observation as always from Andrew Marr. I think Tory's fate is already sealed after Sunak stupidly cancelled the HS2 extension. The Tory will lose all the old Red Wall seats.
It amazes me that commentators like Andrew Marr are so much more intelligent than the politicians they commentate on.
Yes it just goes to show that private education does not a genius make.
Remember that politics is the art of compromise. The compromises that they have to reach, makes them appear duplicitous. Some are very intelligent eg Gove.
It was always going to be difficult to hold on to Red Wall voters, unless the Tories planned to do something for them. But that would go against tge party's financial backers, its membership and its middle class base.
Yeah.. they've scrapped HS2, they haven't 'levelled up' and their distraction of 'little boats' is just wearing thin.
And he worked so hard on their behalf. He must be gutted.
British people’s political apathy is to be blamed not these common crooks - It’s shameful.
Don’t worry, Andrew, you’ve brought us some very good news 👍
Can't believe that there are still bovine tribal voters who still believe that Labour are any different to the Conservatives. They are all controlled by the same London Establishment. They all want to help the rich avoid tax and raise tax for low to middle incomes. They all want to grow the public sector. And they all want to encourage immigration to bring in cheap labour reduce wages and drive corporate profits, even if it hurts those on low incomes the most.
.... and some people still wonder why so many in Scotland want to leave the union that is no longer fit for purpose.
I really hope so. The damage they have done.
This reshuffle is so bizarre & ill-advised.
Why alienate the entire right of your party & bring back the ghosts of Christmas Past?
Sunak has shot himself in the foot.
Bringing Cameron back is an acceptance that Brexit and al that went with it -including the clown show of Bojo/Truss and their ERG fan club has been disastrous for the UK. Tories will refuse to face this, as will all the Brexiters 'til I die! headbangers, so many will go for Reform at the election. Huge win for Labour, then.
I am now 65 and have voted Tory since I turned 18. (Main reason many ex Communist party members in Labour back in the day.) Under the current leadership of Sunak and his lack of proper strategic thinking, I will no longer vote for Tory. Sunak has lost the vote of the rank and file voters that put them into power. He has lost the next election for sure. As for Cameron he is not trustworthy, as he threw his toys out of the pram when he lost the vote on Brexit. He should have maned up and not have resigned.
Illogical…..Johnson has well and truly betrayed this country , both as Foreign Secretary and PM , to Russia. Truss trashed my and your pension savings and Sunak has brought back that coward Cameron from his pig stye, who started the process which has rapidly returned this country to bankruptcy.
Evening Edward, I hope you don’t mind me saying that as a “swing” voter it’s baffling to hear someone say they’re abandoning the conservatives because of Rishi Sunak. This means you’ve backed Michael Howard, David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss consecutively without considering your voting position to the party. I’m far, far from being a conservative voter at present but do not believe that you can level criticism at Sunak which doesn’t date back to when the conservatives elected Cameron as leader. I’m also far from being a Labour supporter at present but it’s incredible to read someone’s support is withdrawn for Sunak having therefore supported Johnson.
You voted for Johnson ?
I am 64. There weren't any communists in the Labour Party. Momentum were kicked out and Labour was brought to the middle. People vote tory because they believe their lie that the voters will be able to *#%^ the masses and it will male them less common. But in reality they become more common, and also fick
@@milsub59millions did were you living under a rock?