I've gotten the click multiple times in clay tournament and haven't been able to find the reason ...THIS is a huge help and explains a lot. Will be "forward assisting" it from now on. Thank you!
Makes sense. You tug on a mag to make sure it's locked in, you whack the striker plate to make sure the slide is forward, so you also hit the charging handle like a Garand to do the same
Yep! I have seen more FTFs at competitions after the make ready due to not assuring the mag is seated or the slide is in battery. Takes 1 second prior to assure a bang. S.O.P. for my manual or arms for a semi-auto anything.
Yep! Morning ritual for me is to whack the striker plate of my G19 after a press check right before I check my dot & my Streamlight; this "issue" with the Beretta very much seems to me like it has a common sense solution, & it was something I immediately noticed the day I brought my new A300UP home from the store
This happens because the rotating bolt head does not lock completely into the barrel extension. This is a known issue with Benelli semi-automatic shotguns as well. Beretta owns Benelli. Similar bolt head geometry, different operating systems.
I prefer pump guns. If you learn how to run them (chambering the next round during the recoil cycle) they can be extremely fast. I have one auto shotgun which is the 1187. The only issues I’ve had with it is running low brass target load. Even when extremely dirty it’ll run. It’ll slow down to where you can literally feel every part of the action cycle, but it still goes into battery. Never had any issues at all with high brass. Thanks for the video.
@@ASPextra yeah I agree. Not everyone has the time, money or desire to run a pump gun as much as it takes to get that proficient. But if you break down the steps it isn’t that bad. I can run one pretty fast. The key for me was learning how much reward pressure to put on the foregrip while it’s locked and before you pull the trigger. Not enough backwards pressure and as soon as it fires it’ll start sliding back but it won’t finish the cycle or at least not with authority and you have a pause halfway through. Too much backwards pressure and it actually won’t unlock upon firing. Then you have to let up on the pressure and then cycle. But once you get it right it’ll fly open as soon as it goes bang. Then for me it helps to envision I’m trying to smack whatever im shooting next with the foregrip. Like you’re spearing it at what you want to hit. Then once you’ve slid all the way forward you’ll be on target and ready to repeat.
@@samadams9557 If you were born in the old days, you probably knew how to run a pump SG. The advantage of the semi auto is that it removes the step of moving your body / sg from the pumping action, and lets the user concentrate on holding the sg steady and b pulling b the trigger. Another is short stroking while under stress. Fast shooting is non effective if you can’t accurately hit the target, and with full power loads, can slow down the rate of fire on an average shooter. I was raised on pump SG’s, but few SG’s can compare to a good proven SG that is the Benelli M4 / 1014 and their like.
How dirty does it have to get? I think if the gun can stay out of battery like that after 50 or 100 rounds, that’s not a good defensive shotgun. But if you’re talking about a thousand rounds or more, you can hardly blame a gun from needing a quick wipe down every thousand rounds or so
Thousand round standard is fine for a pistol but shotguns run dirtier. Among other things ammo is loaded with cheaper and dirtier ammo. Most people are at least somewhat recoil sensitive so unlikely to run five hundred (or more) in a day, or even over a weekend. So cleaning after any heavy use and periodically if not used much. Waiting for a thousand rounds would lead to problems in pretty much any shotgun.
It's my favorite shotgun too. All defensive firearms should be kept clean especially semi-auto shotguns but this is a disappointment. I like it so much better than the Benelli M4 but that one is pretty great as well if a bit heavy. Thank you for the PSA.
My 590 a1 will always be my go to. I also wanted a 1301 but the longer they are out, the more issues I'm finding. Too much plastic on these shotguns imo
Had this issue during a competition. It’s really easy to see that it’s slightly out of battery and the remedy is to slam on the bolt handle pushing it forward. Wouldn’t consider this a major issue with the platform.
Sounds like a more powerful recoil spring would help but then it might not work with lighter loads but for a defensive shotgun that shouldn't be an issue.
With almost EVERY semi automatic shotgun on the market this can be an issue! Lol I’ve learned a long time ago if the guns dirty I keep an eye out for the outta battery “signs” Lol then just tap it forward if need be, then it’s ready to go. There’s a simple solution tho, as you said John. CLEAN YOUR GUNS!!! Haha 😂 especially if your life could depend on it 👍 or others!! Thanks John and Neil.
Ayye, the boys are back in town, yet again! I bought an 18.5"Moss barrel new and the extractor was preventing it going into full forward battery. I just had to wear the detent on the barrel in with a few hard slams forward, then it was catching correctly every time. I was treating it like tinsel in case I had to return it, and that was the real issue. lol
Hmmm, all LEA keep their firearms in pristine condition. This must be a semi-auto problem. People are known to short stroke pump guns under stress. Better take those off the approved list too.
Has happened to my Gen 1 a few times as well as a Franchi Infinity (inertia gun) which uses the same bolt design. I think a more powerful spring would help. You would think a clean, lubed, and highly polished chrome bolt and barrel extension would allow the bolt to go into battery with no problem. However, it is an issue anytime the bolt is slowed or impeded in any way. Definitely NO press checks here. Other than a heavier spring I would like Beretta to look at the bolt geometry including inside the bolt carrier just to be thorough.
I've ran everything through my 1301 tac, gen 3 and not had a single problem. Runs like a sewing machine. But it's not a LTT either. I did my own upgrades.
There’s another problem!! The rubber O ring in the gas cylinder fails. It totally broke apart on mine. This caused massive carbon build up in the cylinder to the point that ports were totally clogged. And I clean after every use, only shoot about 100 shells at a time and have less that 1000. I’m not the only one this has happened to.
Also, just clean your gas cylinder. Too many folks think these things run forever with no PMI, cleaning , or lube. Take care of your stuff. Yes the bolt needs to be cleaned, but enough debris will also get into the front end of your gas system around 500-1k rds to cause short cycling. It's not a gun issue, its a proper practice and maintenance issue.
Thats not isolated to this particular shotgun, or any semi auto for that matter, including AR-15s. Some may call it overkill, but i fully disassemble, clean, and lube any gun after being fired in a shooting session, and am back home. I find it weirdly therapeutic to keep them clean. Only ones i let go a while is the .22lr's
John! ASP inspired me! I bought my very first firearm last week! A Mossberg 590 pump action shotgun!!! I'm scared. I think I bit off more than I can chew after watching videos on recoil. I'm 5'10" 200lbs so a Mossberg 12 Gauge should be manageable. I hope. Unfortunately, I live in Washington DC. So, I won't get my shotgun until DC processes my paperwork. The gun dealer told me it only takes TWO MONTHS!!! OMG, can you imagine spending $700 on a beautiful brand new Mossberg 12 Guage and not being allowed to shoot it for two months!
Congrats! This video will help you with the recoil issue. Search "shotgun" on the channel and there are several more to help get you into the gauge. th-cam.com/video/He1OXyLbaoA/w-d-xo.html
@ASPextra I just watched your push-pull shotgun technique video from 2023. Awesome! BTW, did you lose weight, John? Who's the guy in the 2023 video? An overweight relative?
Good info. Most shotgun hunters have known this for years. The culprit is the rotating bolt head which is part of the beretta/benelli/franchi/stoeger family. Once the user is aware of what to look for then this issue can be identified with quick glance to check if the bolt head is fully closed. As stated here cleaning does help prevent this. However it can still happen while clean if anything such as large winter gloves interferes with the speed of the charging handle closing. It can also happen by knocking the buttstock against the ground which will cause the bolt to retract a few millimeters and then not have enough force to close properly.
Man those older 870’s are so smooth. I think one reason (probably a few) it runs so smoothly compared to the mossberg is that the cock cycle starts halfway through the slide action. The mossberg starts cocking as soon as it starts moving, so you don’t have momentum on your side. Love me a good slide action shotgun. I’m with you. If you learn how to run them the auto is only faster on stationary targets. And normally, you only have to shoot something once with the right load.
There is NO ISSUE with the 1301in this regard. This is a training issue. Pure and simple. You "foul" the action of any gun and it won't fire. This video is silly and is a nothing burger.
I am not an expert, but sounds like you are correct SOV, it’s a maintenance and operation issue. I train with a guy that has multiple 1301s (why I also bought one), and he runs them dirty, students run them, and they never fail to feed. I think the police dept that dropped the 1301 needs to train more. The exact same issue applies to an AR if you operate it incorrectly.
Double barrels. I've had semis & slide action shotguns but now just have two doubles. I never need more than a shot or two. Competition-wise of course it can't compete a pump or semi. I don't use them for defense. But absolutely could. I'm only aware of one case where a bad guy wasn't taken out for the day or longer. That was a video from a home and the BG ran away while the defender missed about 7 times with a Kel-Tec pump that then malfunctioned. A SxS can be reloaded pretty quickly with training & practice. With a few shells on the stock and a backup handgun you can handle the vast majority or threats. I use a semi-auto .223 (Not an AR) for primary HD but i wouldn't feel too undergunned with my SxS. Simple manual of use, short, light, always works, doesn't care what it's loaded with function-wise. Changeable chokes. Mounted flashlight. Sling. Train / practice.
Ive had tons of probs with mine and I dont trust it anymore. Will not use for life saving and went back to my pump. Ive had the gas system oring get destroyed after 100 rounds or so, also one it gets dirty it doesn't run all ammo only heavy loads. Wierd thing is it use to be a great gun until I put 1000 rounds thru it. Just went downhill after that.
my 1301 right out of the box the bolt release was faulty sent it in for warranty took a month to repair, so there is no way i will think my 1301 is better than my Benelli M4. my issue was manufacturing flaw
The 1301 with a pro lifter is a different puppy. IMO, it's not a failure or a problem with this shotgun. It's the required manual of arms for that particular platform. It's not the gun's fault that he didn't rack a round properly, if at all. Also, why didn't he re-rack after the failure to fire? Seems like they may need to spend more time with them.
Most guns cannot fire when out of battery. Is the 1301 more prone to failures to go into battery than others? No, if broken in, cleaned and lubed, and operated correctly. This is definitely a user-induced stoppage, not a mechanical/design failure of the gun.
So 1 guy had a random malfunction and you make a video about "1301 issues"? Kinda lame. That being said I know the more recent 1301 have had their quality control issues but the officer should have actually used his shotgun before taking it on duty and if it had issues he would have found them before this happened. Mine runs like a clock and puts 8 pellets in a 4" spread at 25 yards consistently.
It wasn’t just one guy… but Im glad yours works great. As we said, Neil’s has too… but it’s not ‘lame’ to tell folks about the decision made by a major PD and how to address it if it happens to them. Hope your day gets better.
This is about the mechanics of the shooter, not mechanics of the gun. On an AR, if you lazily let the bolt release go, it will not fully go into battery just the same and you then punch the forward assist to take care of this. There's a reason that most rifles have a forward assist. Just the same with a Pistol, if you rrack the slide lazily, or grip over the slide, it will not fully go into battery and you have to punch the back of the slide to fix that back into battery, which many automatically do when they are doing a reload just in case of that very thing. So again, this is not a mechanical issue of the gun, it's a mechanical issue of the shooter. This gun has been around plenty long enough to all of a sudden, because a few had issues at the most inopportune time, you don't blame the gun.
I understand that, but did they ever investigate as to why it was happening in the first place? Or just saying it's happened numerous times and remove the gun instead of correcting the reason behind it in the first place. Just because a few officers have had this issue in a specific location, doesn't mean the thousands of others and the many who have put many thousands and thousands of rounds through this gun (way more than a police officer chances are) have had the same issue, meaning it's not a tool issue, but the one welding the tool. Yes, it won't go into battery all the way if you rack it lightly or ride it back, or your hand is in the way, etc. That's not a gun issue. That's a user issue 😊 The better way to frame it is to say the things not to do that'll cause the gun and most guns to not fully go into battery and then don't do them.
Honestly if a gun has this issue, i 100% dont want to trust it with my life. Ive taken quite a few shotgun classes and have seen a lot of berettas fail durring use. I see your running a scalarworks so this part doesnt affect you, but I feel I should share it for those running the factory rail. Beretta didnt use long enough scews on the rail, nor loctite, and only 2 screws. So after as few as a hundred shells you can have them strip out of the reciever and throw your optic. I caught my buddies new 1301t do it at class on video. Durring that same class a student with another beretta experienced failures to fire, likely the same as youve shown here, then borrowed the instructors beretta 1301t only to have that one ditch the optic on film, too. These Berettas are having what I consider to be an unacceptable amount of issues for such an extensive shotgun, and I use to be a big fanboy even. As it sits, Id pick the Benelli M4 if in search of a good tactical shotgun.
@Rhetorical346 the joke is that there's a simple remedy, as John has explained, but if PDs are now disqualifying them then Beretta or someone else is going to come up with a complicated and unnecessary fix. Way to kill the joke, you must be a lot of fun at parties
If a defensive shotgun “ needs or may need “ an extra bump to be sure that SG is in battery ~ there’s a serious problem with that SG. I’ll stay with my Benelli 1014.
I really wasn't going to comment but I am saddened to see the ASP name slinging curse words back at folks regardless of ignorance or not. Sad day for any Christian representative.
I guess Beretta over sold it as a “self cleaning system.” Obviously it needs to be cleaned and lined like any other gun. And like any other quality gun it will run fine if you do so.
So you took a great shotgun, put a lot of trash on it, colored it like a 3 year old girl and are dumbfounded why it malfunctions? This is peak guntoober behavior!
You didn’t listen or even watch as this one hasn’t failed. But it’s cool that your feel comfortable commenting without all the info and looking like a jerk.
@ASPextra Don't put trash on the gun. Stop giving your guns special snowflake paint jobs. The gun will run just fine. Above all, stop being left handed. It is evil and cause the weapon to fail.
The custom paint was my request…. If you’re uncomfortable with the color of someone else’s gun that’s a you problem. I’ll stand next to you in any class and hold my own…. What’s the next class you’re enrolled in?
@ASPextra Coloring in your guns makes it prone to malfunctions as the paint causes it not to go into battery or interferes with buttons that the Eyetie guns always have. Don't glitter bomb your guns. Next class is carbine class. Do not think have done shotgun class since Awerbuck or Triad at Shootrite.
The web-wide Beretta 1301 shilling has to stop. Semiauto shotguns are (unfortunately, given their firepower) inherently unreliable. Ppl who think they need a rifle length firearm to defend themselves are better served with a quality AR-15.
So, lack of training/improper training, incorrect manipulation, lack of / improper cleaning / lubrication is now the fault of the firearm??😂😂 News Flash.....you can make any semi-auto firearm.....rifle, pistol or shotgun.....do this. I've gotten my Ruger 22/45s so dirty I could watch the bolt cycle.....not the gun's fault. I had a Kahr CW9 that wouldn't go into battery if I slingshot the slide! 🤷🏼♂️ Ooops, when I actually read the manual it states to never slingshot as it may not go into battery. It's not the guns people, it's the people running them.
Many don't know how to clean it properly Reason it has a problem? Wrong cleaning ,NO OIL IN THE PISTON OR ON THE Magazine tube. This creates the failures Those parts get cleaned with mineral sprites
Over two-thousand rounds through mine, and a three-day Thunder Ranch course and never had that problem nor have I seen anyone else with the 1301.
Priceless information as always thanks ASP team
I've gotten the click multiple times in clay tournament and haven't been able to find the reason ...THIS is a huge help and explains a lot. Will be "forward assisting" it from now on. Thank you!
Glad you found it helpful!
Makes sense. You tug on a mag to make sure it's locked in, you whack the striker plate to make sure the slide is forward, so you also hit the charging handle like a Garand to do the same
Yep! I have seen more FTFs at competitions after the make ready due to not assuring the mag is seated or the slide is in battery. Takes 1 second prior to assure a bang. S.O.P. for my manual or arms for a semi-auto anything.
@papimaximus95 Frank Proctor in several of his videos points this out & the reason for doing so.
Too complicated.
Yep! Morning ritual for me is to whack the striker plate of my G19 after a press check right before I check my dot & my Streamlight; this "issue" with the Beretta very much seems to me like it has a common sense solution, & it was something I immediately noticed the day I brought my new A300UP home from the store
@razorbeak7295 To me it's just like pressing the forward assist on the AR-15 when loading or function checking. Just part of your loading procedure.
This happens because the rotating bolt head does not lock completely into the barrel extension. This is a known issue with Benelli semi-automatic shotguns as well. Beretta owns Benelli. Similar bolt head geometry, different operating systems.
I prefer pump guns. If you learn how to run them (chambering the next round during the recoil cycle) they can be extremely fast. I have one auto shotgun which is the 1187. The only issues I’ve had with it is running low brass target load. Even when extremely dirty it’ll run. It’ll slow down to where you can literally feel every part of the action cycle, but it still goes into battery. Never had any issues at all with high brass.
Thanks for the video.
Rob Haught can absolutely run a pump gun as fast as anyone can run a semi. But I do think having one less thing to consider ain’t a bad thing.
@@ASPextra yeah I agree. Not everyone has the time, money or desire to run a pump gun as much as it takes to get that proficient. But if you break down the steps it isn’t that bad. I can run one pretty fast. The key for me was learning how much reward pressure to put on the foregrip while it’s locked and before you pull the trigger. Not enough backwards pressure and as soon as it fires it’ll start sliding back but it won’t finish the cycle or at least not with authority and you have a pause halfway through. Too much backwards pressure and it actually won’t unlock upon firing. Then you have to let up on the pressure and then cycle. But once you get it right it’ll fly open as soon as it goes bang. Then for me it helps to envision I’m trying to smack whatever im shooting next with the foregrip. Like you’re spearing it at what you want to hit. Then once you’ve slid all the way forward you’ll be on target and ready to repeat.
@@samadams9557 If you were born in the old days, you probably knew how to run a pump SG. The advantage of the semi auto is that it removes the step of moving your body / sg from the pumping action, and lets the user concentrate on holding the sg steady and b pulling b the trigger. Another is short stroking while under stress. Fast shooting is non effective if you can’t accurately hit the target, and with full power loads, can slow down the rate of fire on an average shooter. I was raised on pump SG’s, but few SG’s can compare to a good proven SG that is the Benelli M4 / 1014 and their like.
1187? We got Anton Chirgugh in the comments!
@ oh man I love it. Great flick.
How dirty does it have to get? I think if the gun can stay out of battery like that after 50 or 100 rounds, that’s not a good defensive shotgun. But if you’re talking about a thousand rounds or more, you can hardly blame a gun from needing a quick wipe down every thousand rounds or so
I’ve had no issues yet, I’ve been running geissle purple 000 grease. To lube the bolt and action bars.
Thousand round standard is fine for a pistol but shotguns run dirtier. Among other things ammo is loaded with cheaper and dirtier ammo. Most people are at least somewhat recoil sensitive so unlikely to run five hundred (or more) in a day, or even over a weekend. So cleaning after any heavy use and periodically if not used much. Waiting for a thousand rounds would lead to problems in pretty much any shotgun.
Thanks!
It's my favorite shotgun too. All defensive firearms should be kept clean especially semi-auto shotguns but this is a disappointment. I like it so much better than the Benelli M4 but that one is pretty great as well if a bit heavy. Thank you for the PSA.
No I'm glad you made the video. Gun stuff isn't cheap. Guns should be scrutinized when they "misbehave."
As the kids say “Skill issue”
I don’t have a 1301 but definitely what one. But definitely nothing wrong with 590.
My 590 a1 will always be my go to. I also wanted a 1301 but the longer they are out, the more issues I'm finding. Too much plastic on these shotguns imo
Had this issue during a competition. It’s really easy to see that it’s slightly out of battery and the remedy is to slam on the bolt handle pushing it forward. Wouldn’t consider this a major issue with the platform.
Yep! A little "bolt slam" and you're back in the game.
Excellent video. Thank you guys
Sounds like a more powerful recoil spring would help but then it might not work with lighter loads but for a defensive shotgun that shouldn't be an issue.
Thanks for the information!
Glad you found it helpful.
With almost EVERY semi automatic shotgun on the market this can be an issue! Lol I’ve learned a long time ago if the guns dirty I keep an eye out for the outta battery “signs” Lol then just tap it forward if need be, then it’s ready to go. There’s a simple solution tho, as you said John. CLEAN YOUR GUNS!!! Haha 😂 especially if your life could depend on it 👍 or others!! Thanks John and Neil.
Important to know. Does Wolff make a +5% spring for this? Thanks, John.
You know I’m not sure if they do!
Ayye, the boys are back in town, yet again!
I bought an 18.5"Moss barrel new and the extractor was preventing it going into full forward battery. I just had to wear the detent on the barrel in with a few hard slams forward, then it was catching correctly every time.
I was treating it like tinsel in case I had to return it, and that was the real issue. lol
Hmmm, all LEA keep their firearms in pristine condition. This must be a semi-auto problem.
People are known to short stroke pump guns under stress.
Better take those off the approved list too.
Oversized bolt handle works as forward assist for those that ride the bolt forward or fudge or fumble the bolt release... 😂
Has happened to my Gen 1 a few times as well as a Franchi Infinity (inertia gun) which uses the same bolt design. I think a more powerful spring would help. You would think a clean, lubed, and highly polished chrome bolt and barrel extension would allow the bolt to go into battery with no problem. However, it is an issue anytime the bolt is slowed or impeded in any way. Definitely NO press checks here. Other than a heavier spring I would like Beretta to look at the bolt geometry including inside the bolt carrier just to be thorough.
I've ran everything through my 1301 tac, gen 3 and not had a single problem. Runs like a sewing machine. But it's not a LTT either. I did my own upgrades.
LTT isn’t the issue. They don’t mess with internals.
Thanks for the info. For all other semi-auto firearms, we include some sort of in battery check/procedure why not on the shotgun as well.
There’s another problem!! The rubber O ring in the gas cylinder fails. It totally broke apart on mine. This caused massive carbon build up in the cylinder to the point that ports were totally clogged. And I clean after every use, only shoot about 100 shells at a time and have less that 1000. I’m not the only one this has happened to.
Is this a 1301 or 1301 mod 2?
It’s a mod 2
I don’t care what John says about you, Neil that orange gun looks sick 😂
He loves it so much.
Also, just clean your gas cylinder. Too many folks think these things run forever with no PMI, cleaning , or lube. Take care of your stuff. Yes the bolt needs to be cleaned, but enough debris will also get into the front end of your gas system around 500-1k rds to cause short cycling. It's not a gun issue, its a proper practice and maintenance issue.
Yeah semi shotguns especially need maintenance!
3:38- John did you say shotguns ARE drop safe or AREN'T drop safe?? i can't tell which you're saying?? Thanks
Are not.
They have floating firing pins.
@@ASPextra Thank you!!
Thats not isolated to this particular shotgun, or any semi auto for that matter, including AR-15s.
Some may call it overkill, but i fully disassemble, clean, and lube any gun after being fired in a shooting session, and am back home. I find it weirdly therapeutic to keep them clean. Only ones i let go a while is the .22lr's
John! ASP inspired me! I bought my very first firearm last week! A Mossberg 590 pump action shotgun!!! I'm scared. I think I bit off more than I can chew after watching videos on recoil. I'm 5'10" 200lbs so a Mossberg 12 Gauge should be manageable. I hope. Unfortunately, I live in Washington DC. So, I won't get my shotgun until DC processes my paperwork. The gun dealer told me it only takes TWO MONTHS!!! OMG, can you imagine spending $700 on a beautiful brand new Mossberg 12 Guage and not being allowed to shoot it for two months!
Congrats! This video will help you with the recoil issue. Search "shotgun" on the channel and there are several more to help get you into the gauge. th-cam.com/video/He1OXyLbaoA/w-d-xo.html
@ASPextra Thank you 😊. Copy that.
@ASPextra I just watched your push-pull shotgun technique video from 2023. Awesome! BTW, did you lose weight, John? Who's the guy in the 2023 video? An overweight relative?
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@ASPextra AWESOME 👌 👏 👍
Anyone know if this affects the A300 Ultima Patrol as well?
I was at a tactical shotgun class this summer with a guy whos a300 failed in exactly the way john mentioned, id bet its one in the same.
Love me some 1301 content. Really want to get me an ltt 1301
Good info, but I have never had that happen with mine.
Some people said that about the Corvair, too.
@@ASPextra 😁 I am old enough to get that reference.
I’m a righty and have never ever had this issue, but I only have 3500 rounds through it, I’m keeping it
I’m keeping mine too. I’ve seen it from right handed shooters. Just be aware of it and tap the bolt handle!
Good info. Most shotgun hunters have known this for years. The culprit is the rotating bolt head which is part of the beretta/benelli/franchi/stoeger family.
Once the user is aware of what to look for then this issue can be identified with quick glance to check if the bolt head is fully closed.
As stated here cleaning does help prevent this.
However it can still happen while clean if anything such as large winter gloves interferes with the speed of the charging handle closing.
It can also happen by knocking the buttstock against the ground which will cause the bolt to retract a few millimeters and then not have enough force to close properly.
Just buy a Benneli M4 and don’t worry about it going bang.
HOW DARE YOU!
Exactly. The m4 has more than proved itself. If people can't handle the weight, boo hoo!
That doesn't happen with my 1970s model 870. I learned young that I should KISS!
Man those older 870’s are so smooth. I think one reason (probably a few) it runs so smoothly compared to the mossberg is that the cock cycle starts halfway through the slide action. The mossberg starts cocking as soon as it starts moving, so you don’t have momentum on your side. Love me a good slide action shotgun. I’m with you. If you learn how to run them the auto is only faster on stationary targets. And normally, you only have to shoot something once with the right load.
I have a number of 870s. Nothing wrong with a well built older 870 but a semi gun has advantages too.
Shotguns aren't drop safe?!
Nope.
There is NO ISSUE with the 1301in this regard. This is a training issue. Pure and simple. You "foul" the action of any gun and it won't fire. This video is silly and is a nothing burger.
There’s enough meat there that a major PD took them out of their officers hands… I’m not saying you’re wrong but it’s not a nothing…
I am not an expert, but sounds like you are correct SOV, it’s a maintenance and operation issue. I train with a guy that has multiple 1301s (why I also bought one), and he runs them dirty, students run them, and they never fail to feed. I think the police dept that dropped the 1301 needs to train more.
The exact same issue applies to an AR if you operate it incorrectly.
This video is troubling.
I've never cleaned my Mossberg 590. More than seven hundred rounds later, and still going.
My 590 for the win.
Double barrels. I've had semis & slide action shotguns but now just have two doubles. I never need more than a shot or two. Competition-wise of course it can't compete a pump or semi.
I don't use them for defense. But absolutely could. I'm only aware of one case where a bad guy wasn't taken out for the day or longer. That was a video from a home and the BG ran away while the defender missed about 7 times with a Kel-Tec pump that then malfunctioned.
A SxS can be reloaded pretty quickly with training & practice. With a few shells on the stock and a backup handgun you can handle the vast majority or threats.
I use a semi-auto .223 (Not an AR) for primary HD but i wouldn't feel too undergunned with my SxS.
Simple manual of use, short, light, always works, doesn't care what it's loaded with function-wise. Changeable chokes. Mounted flashlight. Sling. Train / practice.
Wouldn't be my first choice, but I won't be at your gunfight. :)
This gun unlike the Benelli M4 needs to be cleaned constantly.
Not really.
Ive had tons of probs with mine and I dont trust it anymore. Will not use for life saving and went back to my pump. Ive had the gas system oring get destroyed after 100 rounds or so, also one it gets dirty it doesn't run all ammo only heavy loads. Wierd thing is it use to be a great gun until I put 1000 rounds thru it. Just went downhill after that.
Man, that sucks!
my 1301 right out of the box the bolt release was faulty sent it in for warranty took a month to repair, so there is no way i will think my 1301 is better than my Benelli M4. my issue was manufacturing flaw
It looks as if Neil took John's hat 😅
You think he’d wear a hat and cover up that hair???? :)
The 1301 with a pro lifter is a different puppy. IMO, it's not a failure or a problem with this shotgun. It's the required manual of arms for that particular platform. It's not the gun's fault that he didn't rack a round properly, if at all. Also, why didn't he re-rack after the failure to fire? Seems like they may need to spend more time with them.
No, it was the gun's fault. Particularly the rotating bolt.
ain't no Benelli M4, but some people prefer plastic! 🤷♂️
I've never had this problem. So whatever I'm doing as far as muscle memory/habits is concerned is working, I suppose.
Benelli M4 all day.
This is our chance to take in all the glory for our Benelli M4’s 🤣
you can make "those mistakes" on any gun / shotgun
Benelli M4 is still the king.
Most guns cannot fire when out of battery. Is the 1301 more prone to failures to go into battery than others?
No, if broken in, cleaned and lubed, and operated correctly.
This is definitely a user-induced stoppage, not a mechanical/design failure of the gun.
But it DOES drop the trigger out of battery. That’s not a user-induced problem.
I’m surprised the remedies aren’t the usual, use oc, or learn ground fighting at 70 years old
My, that sounds bitter.
User issue
User induced malfunctions! Always blaming the gun!! SMH
It’s like you didn’t even watch the video.
Vangcomp told me that they wouldn’t work on a 1301
Yeah they did 4 of them as a test, and two of those were ours.
Run it like your life depends on it, your not going to break it.
Why not just change out the spring for a stronger spring so it can go all the way back
Well, for starters, it shouldn't need a stronger spring. Secondly, I don't know who manufacturers one.
Thought it was something I was doing wrong
Man your mic levels. Holy hell fix that in editing.
I did. It was windy and they were acting weird.
So 1 guy had a random malfunction and you make a video about "1301 issues"? Kinda lame. That being said I know the more recent 1301 have had their quality control issues but the officer should have actually used his shotgun before taking it on duty and if it had issues he would have found them before this happened. Mine runs like a clock and puts 8 pellets in a 4" spread at 25 yards consistently.
It wasn’t just one guy… but Im glad yours works great. As we said, Neil’s has too… but it’s not ‘lame’ to tell folks about the decision made by a major PD and how to address it if it happens to them. Hope your day gets better.
This is about the mechanics of the shooter, not mechanics of the gun. On an AR, if you lazily let the bolt release go, it will not fully go into battery just the same and you then punch the forward assist to take care of this. There's a reason that most rifles have a forward assist. Just the same with a Pistol, if you rrack the slide lazily, or grip over the slide, it will not fully go into battery and you have to punch the back of the slide to fix that back into battery, which many automatically do when they are doing a reload just in case of that very thing. So again, this is not a mechanical issue of the gun, it's a mechanical issue of the shooter. This gun has been around plenty long enough to all of a sudden, because a few had issues at the most inopportune time, you don't blame the gun.
No, this is enough that Phoenix PD took it off the line. That’s not a shooter problem.
I understand that, but did they ever investigate as to why it was happening in the first place? Or just saying it's happened numerous times and remove the gun instead of correcting the reason behind it in the first place. Just because a few officers have had this issue in a specific location, doesn't mean the thousands of others and the many who have put many thousands and thousands of rounds through this gun (way more than a police officer chances are) have had the same issue, meaning it's not a tool issue, but the one welding the tool. Yes, it won't go into battery all the way if you rack it lightly or ride it back, or your hand is in the way, etc. That's not a gun issue. That's a user issue 😊
The better way to frame it is to say the things not to do that'll cause the gun and most guns to not fully go into battery and then don't do them.
I can’t speak for them but I would guess they did some due diligence
Did that guy in the video live? He'd be hamburger if the shotgun had fired.
No, the pistol-equipped officers got him and he didn't make it.
Nothing burger here. You short strokers can also screw up a pump gun!
Didn’t even listen huh? You boomers should pay better attention
Honestly if a gun has this issue, i 100% dont want to trust it with my life. Ive taken quite a few shotgun classes and have seen a lot of berettas fail durring use. I see your running a scalarworks so this part doesnt affect you, but I feel I should share it for those running the factory rail. Beretta didnt use long enough scews on the rail, nor loctite, and only 2 screws. So after as few as a hundred shells you can have them strip out of the reciever and throw your optic. I caught my buddies new 1301t do it at class on video. Durring that same class a student with another beretta experienced failures to fire, likely the same as youve shown here, then borrowed the instructors beretta 1301t only to have that one ditch the optic on film, too.
These Berettas are having what I consider to be an unacceptable amount of issues for such an extensive shotgun, and I use to be a big fanboy even. As it sits, Id pick the Benelli M4 if in search of a good tactical shotgun.
It’s an Aridus CROM mount on ours. But the point absolutely stands.
The 1301 needs a forward assist lol
It has a big huge handle you can use as a forward assist
@Rhetorical346 the joke is that there's a simple remedy, as John has explained, but if PDs are now disqualifying them then Beretta or someone else is going to come up with a complicated and unnecessary fix. Way to kill the joke, you must be a lot of fun at parties
@@bushwacker2048 or, you're just not funny
Sounds like operator error and not a problem with the gun.
... it's the gun.
It's like you didn't listen.
If a defensive shotgun “ needs or may need “ an extra bump to be sure that SG is in battery ~ there’s a serious problem with that SG.
I’ll stay with my Benelli 1014.
Never had that problem with my Mossberg 590.
Benelli M4 is the ultimate combat shotgun it’s tried and true 🔥🔥 sorry all you beretta lovers 🤣
...and that is all that needs to be said about that!!!!!!
How many other firearms do you have problems with? Work on your user skills. 😂
It’s like you didn’t even watch the video.
I really wasn't going to comment but I am saddened to see the ASP name slinging curse words back at folks regardless of ignorance or not. Sad day for any Christian representative.
I think the conservative evangelical focus on the wrong things is a sad day.
Get to the point man!
Education takes words, dude.
I see the wife decided you needed to clean up your act.
I see yours still lets you show your ass online….
@@ASPextra…the difference between a regular viewer and a casual viewer.
Excuses, excuses.
What do you mean?
I guess Beretta over sold it as a “self cleaning system.” Obviously it needs to be cleaned and lined like any other gun. And like any other quality gun it will run fine if you do so.
Having cleaned my Mossberg 590 yet. After countless rounds.
So you took a great shotgun, put a lot of trash on it, colored it like a 3 year old girl and are dumbfounded why it malfunctions?
This is peak guntoober behavior!
You didn’t listen or even watch as this one hasn’t failed. But it’s cool that your feel comfortable commenting without all the info and looking like a jerk.
Didn't watch at all, huh? Because this one on camera runs perfect. But by all means, comment from ignorance.
@ASPextra Don't put trash on the gun. Stop giving your guns special snowflake paint jobs. The gun will run just fine.
Above all, stop being left handed. It is evil and cause the weapon to fail.
The custom paint was my request…. If you’re uncomfortable with the color of someone else’s gun that’s a you problem. I’ll stand next to you in any class and hold my own…. What’s the next class you’re enrolled in?
@ASPextra Coloring in your guns makes it prone to malfunctions as the paint causes it not to go into battery or interferes with buttons that the Eyetie guns always have. Don't glitter bomb your guns.
Next class is carbine class. Do not think have done shotgun class since Awerbuck or Triad at Shootrite.
The web-wide Beretta 1301 shilling has to stop. Semiauto shotguns are (unfortunately, given their firepower) inherently unreliable. Ppl who think they need a rifle length firearm to defend themselves are better served with a quality AR-15.
I disagree with most of that assertion.
So, lack of training/improper training, incorrect manipulation, lack of / improper cleaning / lubrication is now the fault of the firearm??😂😂
News Flash.....you can make any semi-auto firearm.....rifle, pistol or shotgun.....do this.
I've gotten my Ruger 22/45s so dirty I could watch the bolt cycle.....not the gun's fault.
I had a Kahr CW9 that wouldn't go into battery if I slingshot the slide! 🤷🏼♂️ Ooops, when I actually read the manual it states to never slingshot as it may not go into battery.
It's not the guns people, it's the people running them.
I feel like you didn't even listen.
Many don't know how to clean it properly Reason it has a problem? Wrong cleaning ,NO OIL IN THE PISTON OR ON THE Magazine tube. This creates the failures Those parts get cleaned with mineral sprites
Sometimes but not necessarily.
There’s nothing wrong with the gun. It’s all user error!!
Didn’t watch the video, huh?
I sure you guys are cleaning it wrong and using oil on the Magazine. Which creates fouling thus creating problems
They are not. It’s an issue with the exposed charging handle. It’s not a design flaw it can happen with any semi auto shotgun on the market.
10,000 words when
We are not.
@@ASPextra ?
We are not cleaning it wrong or oiling the magazine.