When should you greet someone in the street?
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The funny thing is: Apart from the mumbling thing I don't think about any of this at all when I'm out and about encountering people. It's only after the fact that I start engaging my autistic brain and start thinking about this.
Meanwhile my autistic brain is calculating the optimal path for minimising the amount of social interaction lol
Awh yeah, autistic brains go brrr.
If it is a neighbor or someone I'm familiar with I will greet them across the street.
If it is a stranger out on a walk I may choose to greet them or not depending on how approachable they look. I've developed abit of profiling for people'd appearances for if I think they're fit for greeting or not.
I don't feel comfortable greeting kids on walks out of fear of bein' perceived as predatory.
I wouldn't greet a couple walking together.
I avoid people on phones, they're doing their own business and plus I find people who talk on phones on walks tends to be ruder people in general from experiences.
Here is a question for your Marcel that you didn't include in yer video.
Would YOU greet someone who passes you from behind? Say a jogger for example. Would you greet the back of their head? If they greeted YOU from behind or as they were beside you, would you be uncomfortable?
0:22 It really took my habitual brain some time for me to adjust in this when I moved from a small village to a big(ger) city. When you're accustomed to greeting everyone, even if you don't know each other well, and are then suddenly in a city where greeting complete strangers is considered odd, that's gonna create quite a few awkward situations (which it did in my case). Nowadays I only greet people if they greet me first, so those awkward situations don't happen anymore.
Also this isn't that autistic to think about right? RIGHT?!
If you accidentally mumble, I just give a solid *ahem* and greet again. It doesn't matter if the first attempt was good enough or not, this indicates to the other person that I didn't think my attempt was good enough and I'd like to try again.
Yup, I am on that spectrum, and my greetings are pretty dang awkward. Sometimes I'll greet someone I'm walking past, but usually I won't unless they greet me first. And even then, I'm likely to say it quietly.
he's going to find the optimum greeting distance and then exploit this to shove as many people in a bathroom as possible
Or the other way around: he's gonna shove people into a bathroom and see when they stop saying hi to each other as an experiment
Hypothesis: when you're drowning, you no longer greet other people, even if they are close and in a similar situation. We need to test this.
Marcel is going to figure out the optimal urinal spacing
@@Commrade-DOGE For the sake of those of us who are male but can't go standing up, I hope that spacing includes sit-down stalls too...
@@landsgevaer I think you're on to something!!!
"Interpersonal greetings #1 looks too intense for me."
"Just looking at Interpersonal greetings makes me sick"
"I've already got an interpersonal greeting."
"I don't want an Interpersonal greeting #1 while it's raining."
@@briankale5977 too real..
@@briankale5977
Lol!
"Saying hi to strangers is too intense for me"
Especially in France
LOL
Just looking at Help I’m Drowning 1 makes me feel sick!
I can't believe they finally added social anxiety to Rollercoaster Tycoon 2
Normal people: "I think ill go for a walk."
Introverts: " *this video* "
Introversion has nothing to do with this. This is just autistic observing and analyzing of neurotypical behaviour.
Illustrating points using RCT2 is kind of a novel concept. I like it.
kinda reminds me of some of Nurse's philosophy/MH videos, using Zomboid to talk about burnout and stuff.
We certainly need more of this!
@@garnaudiz I'd loved a SimCity-esque game in the art style of RCT2 when I was a kid.
The worst thing is when you are on a straight stretch of road in a situation where you would say hi to someone (like when you know them or when walking in a national park) and you've already made eye contact, but are clearly too far away from each other to say hi yet, so now you have to walk a few more meters before you can say hi and get it out of your system xD
that's when you start making silly/stupid faces at them as you slowly approach each other and close the distance
@@shnupps765 🤪
That's when you unholster a smile and a wave.
If you're feeling particularly silly you make the wave motion ramp up in speed and intensity until you're practically lifting off the ground with the force of your waving.
It's worth being a clown if it makes others laugh
An agonizing few meters for sure.
That's when you do a little nod
This is why I opt for the simple, yet subtle nod instead
Nod and a smile, all you need. Also when someone gives you a quick friendly smile, it's very hard not to smile back!
Also the solution if you both say hi at the same time, at the very least the person saw you acknowledge it!
@@-10 It just hit me on that... Deaf folk dontve the same issue of talkin over each other when conversin in sign language; a case where even abled hearin folk can see the clear advantage of such ways of communicatin
Yep. And for me it's upward for a friend, downward for a random person.
@@SylviaRustyFae It's not just about bandwidth of the medium but also bandwidth of processing. Deaf people can still talk over each other, especially if one or both of them aren't great at multi-tasking, since reading their handsigns and making your own signs can take up a fair amount of mental ability.
I do think the throughput is still higher than vocal speech, but it's not quite a "never stop signing and always follow their signs" level.
First thing in the morning, I shout "Hi!' at the top of my lungs, then I'm good for the rest of the day
"No, no, no... I'm not saying hi again; I already did my big hello this morning."
If you say it loud enough, are you good for the rest of 2 days? 3 days? A week?
@@zaxtonhong3958 years
And I wake in the morning and I step outside, then I take a deep breath and I get real high, and I scream at the top of my lungs, "HI"
@@zaxtonhong3958 years
The best tutorial for people on the spectrum. Can we have a formula to determine whether we should greet someone or not?
This is the formula I use myself
if ( Shared identity == true) // for example if you are doing the same thing like walking a dog or riding a motorcycle
{
if (chance of comming across to someone == Uncommon) // like on a hiking trip when you see people like once every 10 min
{
greet person();
}
}
else
{
dont greet the person
}
It's something at the top of many of our wishlists: clear, consistent, and codified social rules...
Though to be fair, even neurotypical people seem to fumble this stuff on occasion, so it's not a entirely exclusive challenge for us.
My simple rule is eye contact. If it is made and you say hi (or at least smile/bow a little -- I'm Asian). If not you don't need to (unless it's your actual friend, of course)
@@zeroyuki92 eye contact is a good one. And if you're bad at eye contact, you can practice on people you pass in the street. I did that, and found that a whole new avenue of communication opened up to me. Eye contact and a returned smile is the nonverbal "hi" that preceeds the actual "hi". It's the mutual recognition that we're all just human.
Soooo if I've never been examined for autism, but can higly relate to this.
Should I get myself checked for autism...?
My most "awkward" interaction was with an old man (roughly in his 70s) dressed as a cowboy and he looked very distinguishable from the people around, i was passing by, he just extended his hands to a handshake while smiling, by instinct i shook his hand and smiled too, we both walked away without saying a word, i don't know who he was at all, to this very day this remains a mystery to me.
damn homie met the mysterious stranger
Something to keep in mind is that this is also EXTREMELY culture dependent!
Which trashy culture has people not saying hi when meeting while walking in the middle of nowhere?
@@FifinatorKlonFinland.
@@FifinatorKlonTrashy culture? More like utopian culture
@@FifinatorKlonthat's not the only scenario that was addressed in this video
An American woman greeted me with "howareya" and being Dutch it sounded like a question about my wellbeing, taking multiple seconds to process. I answered good thanks and another two seconds later realized I should've returned the question as well. Then I yelled "you too?" Wayy too late over my shoulder and she laughed and said "yea I'm good". Will never forget that
As an American, it's not the end of the world of you don't return the question :) Especially if it's just a stranger or super brief interaction!
I live in the US and always answer with a real answer 😂 for some reason my brain thinks they meant it
Yeah as an American, its common to just say that as a greeting without even expecting an answer. Weird little american culture thing
People where I am in Canada say "How's it going"? but keep walking and don't wait for a response. 🤦🏼♀️
Sometimes they just say "How are you?" and immediately walk away before anyone can reply. It's like they aren't expecting a response.
I love seeing mundane environments rendered in RCT. It gives a sense of comfort and familiarity compared to the elaborate money extracting machines that you're supposed to make.
I was walking to school one day, and this dude was walking in the opposite direction on the same path. He raised his hand, so I raised mine and tried to high-five him. He was just adjusting his headphones. When I looked back, he looked back at me like I was an idiot. This happpened some seven years ago and is still fresh in my mind.
This is like watching a video from some alternate dimension where humans are vocally polite to strangers for no reason.
"some alternate dimension"
Such a weird term for small European town.
@@DoubleBob I live in a small European town and this video is WAY overthinking this situation lmao
@@DoubleBob Yeah the autistic considerations made in the video are absolutely relevant pretty much anywhere in the Netherlands, so it makes sense for Marcel to have them.
Not just Europe, you get this in US suburbs too as long as the population density lines up.
But yeah this is probably overthinking it for neurotypicals. Pretty normal for autism, ADHD, trauma, etc though.
Brazil
In the running laps in the opposite directions scenario, you keep saying "hi" each time but cheekier and cheekier. It becomes like a little joke.
By the time it hits #3 I'll be like "Hi running bestie!"
And then it ends up in a newspaper, 2 strangers found dead on a running path, according to witness reports the 2 had greeted each other several times, in escalating manners.
How it devolved into such a dire situation is unknown, but let's hope this doesn't become a normality.
"On your left."
might go for the high five on lap four because we're basically bffs at that point
That's a meet-cute for a track romcom
If you're walking directly towards another person on the same narrow path you can wait to the last second to say hi before your faces phase through each other.
This is actually a little known exploit. The devs forgot to enable the collision box on the 'greetings' animation.
It isn't widely known because not many people say hello mid combat (where youre actively being threatened, and the bug would be easily discovered when a weapon phases through your arm)
In the United States, the custom I find most common is the casual head nod. Something that communicates "I acknowledge your existence and respect you" but does not require any verbal commitment. You can nod at more people than you can say hi to as well, so the frequency of greetings can go up
go up to what? what's the maximum frequency of head nodding?
Frequency unclear. Started headbanging downtown to greet everyone.
Combine the nod with a smile if you like the person but you're both busy or not close enough to get a verbal "friend" greeting
Them: "How's it going?"
Me: "You too!"
dammit...
Hi how are you?
Fine, and you?
Im fine, thanks, and you?
I did not expect this, what a weird idea, but I love this! I wouldn't mind more of such videos!
Marcels keen analytical sense combined with his firm but soothing voice makes the perfect combo for videos like this!
I yelled at random people in the streets, until I saw this video.
Thanks for helping me improve my social skills, Marcel.
Here in the hot summer desert of the US, greetings stop from about 11 PM to around November 1st
probably depends on the region, but yeah thats a fair period of time not to greet anyone during
I think the most awkward greeting scenario would be somebody approaching greeting me very enthusiastically, so I think I must know them from somewhere and I just don't remember right away, so I greet back just to realize that they meant the person behind me 🤣
ahhh this is what i imagine they mean when they say "life flashing before your eyes" as you're about to die. by brain goes in to absolute panic searching every memory for this face that seems to know me.
Oh god that made me shiver
even worse would be stammering and apologizing when someone reproaches the person behind you. It's one of those situations where two enemies briefly find their commonality against the weirdo who interrupted their fighting.
Words caught in Bill's throat, and he replied, "Weh."
Weh
That's an obcure one
It's kind of a really nice day.
In my part of the US, we only greet each other on hiking trails. It's like an unspoken rule, EVERYONE does it even if they're just a family who obviously never really hikes. Outside of that, almost never.
Same here in Scotland. If we go for walks out in the country, then greet people on the path is a must.
Always remember to greet and bow to a Hiking Bear.
Unless the dog they have is an unruly bastard. Then you don't acknowledge anyone's existence.
I don't know what you mean. I greet everyone in a 20ft radius around me. I will go up to you and say hi. I will run across traffic and say hi to you and then pursue the cars that drove past me. I will hide in their back seat and wait until they're at a traffic light and then pop up and greet them. I'll follow you home just to say hi and then I'll greet everyone in your house. Visitors? They're next. I'll be at your wedding, your child birth, your funeral, greeting everything. I am inevitability. Everything I can greet will be greeted from the mightiest mountain to the quarks it consists of. As certain as entropy, as eternal as history, I will be there, saying:
Hi.
... HI!
Hi!!! @@DonMoretalk
Do you have a tail and big furry ears cuz… ya might be a dog! 😂
I grew up in a village in germany (600 people), you definitely say Hi to everyone, even if you somehow don't know them. One town over (3000 people), you already don't greet strangers. Running into someone twice within a short time frame is super awkward and I never knew what to do. I feel this video for sure lol
I think you need to collate all the responses to this video into "My community *optimised* greeting someone on the street".
I once mistook a human for a cat while greeting a cat. The cat was in my driveway at a house I shared with a few other people. One of my housemates was just arriving back home as I was leaving. I didn't see her, I only saw the cat. I said hello to the cat, and heard a "Hiya" in response. I kept walking out of the driveway, taking a few seconds to realise "wait! no! cats don't speak English!", turned around and saw my housemate, who thought I was greeting her, and said "oh! it was you!". I have no idea how we walked past each other without me seeing her.
For the cyclic greeting:
I'd greet them the first time vocally, nod at them the second time. If they kept greeting me, I'd consider it flirting or an attempt to annoy me depending on the context.
Though if the cycle is sufficiently big and I know the other, a 'long time no see' every time would be hilarious.
I prefer the "Hi" or "'Scuse me" on meeting one, tacking on an "again" on the second encounter, and then being increasingly emphatic about the again with each loop as what's going on becomes clearer and clearer.
I live in Belgium and in the 90s, we had this subject in early school. The rule is to first make eye contact with the person. If the person looks us in the eyes, we say hi. If they don't look back, we don't say hi. The youngest person should be the first to say hi. Of course, it's impossible to be sure if someone is looking at us if they are too far away, so the distance depends on our ability to distinguish where a person is looking. This rule works in most situations, for example if you use binoculars to look at someone that is already seeing you with his own binoculars the eye contact exist even if the distance is too far to hear the hi, so you use your hand. Saying hi means we are coming in peace. I've recently crossed the path of someone that watched my eyes, I said hi, and got no answer, my first thought was "this person isn't my friend", then I thought "maybe this person doesn't speak my language", but usualy when you still have the same cultural reference you should understand a short word in this situation is probably "hi". It's funny I remember it because it's in fact the only time in my life someone didn't respond, we were alone in a path (like in this video) and the person totally ignored me.
Pretty solid teachings although the thing with youngest and oldest is out of date imo as I personally think "respect your elder" is dumb (creates as many entitled people as "the customer is king") and it should be "respect everyone".
@@Konstamonsta I don't think it's about "respect your elder" but just a rule to know what to do and avoiding speaking at the same time, it's the same with the cars going from the right, they have the priority, if you give people no rules it's the crash ^^ In the rule the older one must reply "hi" too so the respect is there. For the customer is king it only works if the cutsomer is polite and respectful, it seems some people forget half of the rules and this is a problem ^^ The same way holding the door for a girl is a good behavior, it shows we are educated, if the girl complains about it shows she isn't, when someone is nice with us we say thank you, we don't complain XD
jesus christ belgium sounds like some kind of 70s sci-fi dystopia.
@@RAFMnBgaming Nah, codified social rules helps a lot.
@@FoXMaSteR001 thats great i never thought about how those rules that seem stupid actually could just be because its some way to make sure stuff happens orderly. Still the eye contact thing sounds horrible - would never fall me in to look someone in the eye as i pass lmao i say hi so i dont have to look at them
That's why I always put on my big bright headphones as soon as I see someone is coming when I'm out for a walk
Similarish, but all the time outside. Ive got my noise cancelin headphones and dark sunglasses that make it so that the only time folk interact with me is if they wanna say smth to me more than hi; almost always a compliment on my outfit, so not this meaningless script i dont know how to follow
The sunglasses are the most important part i feel, bcuz it means no one can tell where im lookin when im walkin around; and with the headphones, theyll just assume i didnt hear them
So even if i neither say hi or even give a head nod; they dont think im rude, esp bcuz i walk around with a cane and multiple stim objects...
So most folk realise im disabled and just dont care as much if im "rude" in this situ; ofc thats not everyone, but most folk can see very clearly that im disabled and thus give me more of a pass on this
Honestly, if i werent alrdy as visibly such from all my accommodations; i wud seek some way to highlight such to others just bcuz ive seen how many ppl are suddenly more acceptin when they actually know we're disabled 9,9 Which just like, ughs, just let everyone be; but hey, gonna take advantage of that all the same
I recently saw a black man wearing lila headphones, a leather jacket and a tricorne pirate hat. Was that you? He was so god damn stylish that I nearly told him so
There's always the option of the polite nod, which usually happens between 2 blokes. That's about 1 or 2 steps down from a Hi and I'd use it for the 2nd person in a group or when seeing someone multiple times.
...but me and my mum have been thinking....
The Marceliverse expands!
And his brother
His mum already commented on some of his past videos I'm sure.
Hi Marcel, just wanted to say that I love these more experimental videos. They're a nice change of pace (pun not intended).
As a Brit, the mere concept of this entire video gives me cold chills.
I'm a Brit and regularly say hi to people when I'm out on walks.
Another W for Ireland, say hi to any stranger that passes by 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪 Toichfaidh ar lá
Apparently this must just be a southerner thing then
@@Kinichieyou can spot Southerners up north cause they duck away if you say anything to them lol. Well mostly people from around London
I find big differences in different parts of the country, London is obviously don't say anything unless pressured to, middle England is say hi in countryside only, and touristy areas outside of big cities (Cornwall, Moors, mountains etc.) you should say hi much too regularly for me to keep up
When i moved from the city to a small town in the mountains in the Patagonia, where you cross maybe 2 people in the street per day, it shocked me everybody greetings, then i get used to it, and when tourist season started and city people where around, i greeted them and they where shocked (i a was, "those damm city people")
In my building I get the occasional "why are you talking to me" look when I say hi, so I make a mental note to be even more friendly to them next time, just to wind them up.
damn i thought there would be a formula at the end to determine optimal greeting parameters
As someone who's considered overly friendly by the standards of the New England region of the US, I long ago learned that smiling waves are met with scowls. Apparently I must be _scheming_ something by trying to say hi. Something you learn very quickly (hypothetically, if you're autistic and live here and actually care about not rocking the boat, the latter two I don't recommend) is the curt nod. Hi's are less meaningful to antisocial folks than an acknowledgement of one's presence. If you throw in a genuine smile or turn it into a half-joking two finger salute it's even more of a safeguard in case you meet someone actually friendly out there. I think about this way too much too, you're in good company.
There's a fine line between "the scenery here is wonderful" and "it's too crowded here."
love the explanation of a random topic using rollercoaster tycoon characters, would love more videos
I usually leave the house with two verbal "Hi's" and three friendly nods in my inventory. Once i used those, i proceed to ignore the presence of any other being.
Easy. You say "Hi" out to the same distance you would hold a door or elevator for someone. The frequency would probably correlate to the number of people one is willing to hold the door open for.
Thinking you recognize someone and greet them with much enthusiasm and when they get closer you see that they are a complete stranger that you havent ever seen before
Around the boundary surface between the greet and not-greet subsets of encounter space I have a large volume where I'll just awkwardly look at my feet and pretend not to be aware of my surroundings.
Welcome to the new series of "Marcel Overthinks Things". I'm looking forwards to the second episode.
If you think this is overthinking, then perhaps you've never dealt with a neurodivergent in your life.
@@XanthinZarda I am neurodivergent, and naturally we don't all think in the same way.
Wait people are greeting strangers?
netherlands moment
Hi, stranger!
Hallo.
Hi, bit damp today isn't it?
Hi Cohen
Thank you for putting my internal overthinking into words in such a great way! 😂
I always remember this experience I had about greeting a stranger:
Once on a vacation in France I went down a street and an old grandpa was passing me. His Face looked really grumpy and annoyed. I had a bit of fear saying hi to him, as I thought - maybe it's because I'm one of the 'lost-teeenager-generation' to him, but I did say 'Bonjour' which is a bit more official than 'Hi' I guess, and his angry looking face changed in such a short moment from this totally pessimism to such a bright and honest smile with the warm word 'Bonjour' back. I sometimes ask myself what was going on hin head at that moment. I will never forget that 😄
Oh, Hi Marcel
I absolutely love that youtube offers me to translate this comment into English 🤦
But seeing I'm passing this comment, hi Flash
He didn't greet her. He did not
Oh hi there lovely weather today
Hi!
@@MarcelVos Is that isn't awkward that you just greeted him after 5 minutes?
With all seriousness, here in Russia we usually don't greet someone until we want to have a conversation. If you just say "hi" to someone and move on, that would be considered rather strange. Unless, of course, you know the person you're greeting, then you're probably fine. Though you are still likely to have a small conversation regardless. (eg "how are things" or "how are you relatives doing")
The video I didn't know I needed. When is a smile and a nod enough? Do I need to say hello? What about when they say "How's it going?" but don't wait for my response and keep walking?
This is why I liked working as a waitress in restaurants. It was easy to know how to greet everyone because there was no guesswork on how the interpersonal transaction would unfold.
This is why we have phones, so we can pretend to be busy and not see anyone passing us. A phone is like a get-out-of-saying-hi card that never expires
It's an escape to another communication system so the person that wants to greet already sees that the person is occupied and cannot be greeted
phone: off due to empty battery
me: guess ill watch a black screen for this entire street
Just plain rude
Which is why we’re breaking down as a society collectively. We’re very social creatures, yet so many people would rather avoid even basic interactions with anybody. It’s not good or healthy.
@@SomeGuyWhoPlaysGames333 preach
This was the most ridiculous, yet interesting video lmao
This video is way more important than people think
1. Why is this so damn well made and so relatable? 😂
2. To avoid some possible future awkward situations, I simply explain to people, when I meet them for the first time, that, if they should greet me once and I won't reply, it won't be because I am rude, but simply because I will be too focused thinking about something. I learned that this little workaround works out quite well. 😅
This is the best insight into the mind of someone with social anxiety that I've ever seen.
Proof that you are Dutch xD
Very relatable for rural UK too
The hardest scenario in the game.
this is why we've invented the head nod greeting. Quicker, easier, more clear, and makes accidental eye contact less awkward
So according to my mom Disneyland used to have rules for this: when someone first enters your view you smile and make eye contact (briefly), and at 10 feet you greet them (or something like that)
My problem is my brain treats eye contact, smiling, and speaking loud enough to be heard as three unique tasks, or which I can ONLY seem to choose two
I think it's a safety thing. If you're alone and you see someone, you want to gauge if that person may be a threat while reassuring them that you are not. Greeting and being greeted back gives you a display of their behavior and lets you take appropriate action. Are they friendly or at least coherent? Or are they visibly upset, confrontational, avoidant, or maybe even in some kind of confused or distressed state that may require further awareness or action?
If they're busy or there's a reasonable barrier or distance that prevents them from suddenly becoming a threat to you before you can react, then it's ok to not greet them.
Worried about mumbling or looking awkward? Just smile, do a small wave, or nod.
If you want to avoid contact altogether - try to look preoccupied, look at the sky or something away from them, or perhaps do consider mumbling, like a lot - this often spurs the Other into taking up jogging spontaneously! Encourage good healthy activity! 🤝
Saying Hi and waving when it was meant for someone behind me.
This is an AWESOME way to make a video outside your niche (social commentary) while still making a video within your niche (RCT). Loved this!
There are so many more factors. Line of sight, if the other party is engaged in conversation, wearing headphones, weather conditions, amount of daylight, if someone is out of breath from jogging, if riding a bicycle or a scooter, when to nod vs speak, familiarity with the other party, when to wave, if the person is working (e.g. delivery, sanitation)... the list goes on
to those who dont understand. this video is about dutch greeting standards (informal) kinda like unspoken rules
Are the Netherlands the only country with this nice habit? So sad
@@jacobienverbaan857 as far as I'm aware, yes
Was climbing a mountain with a group in china, we fully geared, somewhat of a dangerous hike. We where getting our ropes ready when from the brushes some skinny ass white guy came through, dressed in a freaking brown business suit, smoking a cigarette and just passing us by climbing over the rocks saying "Sup". He looked back at us as he speedrun his way to the top waiting for a response, but this was so out of place we just stood there staring at him. "Rude dude" he then said and away he went.
We found some cigarette buds on the summit and never saw the dude ever again. Still feel awkward not greeting him.
Meh, he left cigarette butts at the top of a mountain. That's far worse than not greeting someone.
Marcel VoS: Roller Coaster Tycoon Content creator
Also Marcel VoS: Social etiquette teacher 😮
This was a different type of video from you that I really enjoyed! Having the RC2 clips in the background kept it grounded to you, but this deviation was a cool listen.
Good job!
Neurotypicals must understand that this goes on in the minds of a lot of people on the spectrum lol
3:47 I was just thinking about that this past year chilling in Maze 1.
When I was 14 I was walking through my neighborhood with noise canceling earbuds in, and met eyes with a new neighbor who was 10 meters away. He smiled, waved and I think said hello, but I couldn’t quite hear with my earbuds in. It took me a few seconds to process what he was said, and by that time, it was too late to say hi back, so I did nothing and kept on walking. It’s been 15 years and I still feel like an asshole for that.
I believe it's all about eye contact and attention. Commonly, when people pass each other, they look directly at each other without even thinking. (Just like, "there's another person there and I'm observing them") The "Hi" happens to make it less awkward when you both make eye contact.
If someone is right in front of you and they're the only other person around, your eyes get kind of drawn to them. And now because you have each other's attention, you say hi (or like, smile or something) because just staring and saying nothing is awkward. If they're on the other side of the road, they're not in your immediate view, so you're less likely to look at each other at the same time. If they're not facing you, or there's other people or stuff going on around you, you're less likely to look directly at them.
Some people have dogs who pass by each other, or some people have the same shirt. I think it's just natural to pay more attention to somebody with a similar situation as you. That means the mutual-attention thing is more likely, so a "Hi" is also more likely.
I know this is the classic social difficulty with autism, but it's less about an arbitrary time, distance, or anything like that. I think a general rule is "If you both make eye contact and there aren't distractions around, you can probably say hi or smile."
Some people will say hi even with no eye contact, just because they're used to it. I think in those cases, if you were looking away or distracted, you can still say hi until you pass one another.
I mean this in the most complimentary way possible, this is the most Autistic content I've ever seen, and I love it
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I felt this video.
It's up there, but a_lilian is peak Millennial 'tism, complete with a VR Etrian Odyssey avatar and Emily TTS. It might be worth a watch if you're on the spectrum.
In Japan, people don't talk to strangers. That's a great system that works worldwide lol
Seems to me like that would increase social isolation.
@@607 I think that's the point lol
This was one of the most fascinating Marcel videos in a while. I like it. The usage of RCT footage to dramatize the scenarios was adorable.
As soon as you described two people walking a foot apart I chuckled because I love this kind of thought experiment and also think about this stuff often. There's something extremely amusing but also genuinely interesting about breaking down mundane things like this into such granular detail, adjusting properties and measurements.
Another thing which is even more awkward. When you travel with train for hours. And there are 4 seats facing each other. Where are you supose to look all this time?
Ughh horrible.
Phone, window, literally anything not the other person's face if you don't know them
I'm usually gaming on the train. But I also don't tend to go for the face to face seats.
Marcel is overthinking so hard, he turns it into a YT video. 😅
This video is actually great. The entire time my brain is thinking about all of these situations trying to find the correct answer for something so simple, kinda like how if you're in your neighborhood driving you wave at a neighbor who is driving the opposite way but once you're on the road you don't wave at hardly anyone unless it's family or a close friend
A couple fun video ideas on rain:
1) Tutorial on rain and what all is affected by it, causes it, etc.
2) Added Challenge: can scenario be beaten if a mod causes it to rain all the time. Maybe additional challenges such as no info kiosk and no covered rides
It's simple. If i go for a walk, or hicking, everybody is greeted unless i'm still, in an urban area. So i basically agree with your brother.
I normally find discussions like this kinda drawn out, but the format and the sincerity are so awesome that I can't help but love it. Excellent work as always!
I believe the optimal solution is to never say hi first, but always say it back if another person initiates.
"..., me and my mum have been thinking about this." is a sentence that sounds funny at first though (especially in a factual video), but really is awesome once you really think about it. :)
I like how this video has absolutely nothing to do with RCT, and yet I watched the whole thing with child-like enthusiasm. Truly, the mark of a great TH-camr!
RCT2 is truly a wonderful work of art, as your videos! Thanks for sharing these thoughts ^-^
A: "Hi" --- B: "Do we know us?" --- A: "no, I just greeted" --- B: "oh. Kind of weird." (we were the only two people in hearing range deeply in the forest where everybody greets each other in southern germany. Where it's especially rude to not greet each other in such situations)
I'm happy that you and your mom are having a good time discussing this!
So sweet.
I miss those types of conversations.
For strangers, my general rule of thumb is "If we are about to pass each other and make eye contact, I say hi". It also solves this issue in high crowded areas because the likelihood of every person passing by making eye contact with you goes close to zero.
So this is how Marcel's mind works during every day stuations!
Also: "Hmm... I said hi too many times and made it awkward. I need to lower this path so I can drown them ."
Love to see you branch out into other topics! Keep up the great work!
If you continuously meet the same person on your jog, you need to greet each other more enthusiastically every single time, it's called a running gag
Everything in this video is way too relatable, lol. Glad to see you branching out from RCT videos and it's still something I enjoy
First of all, I think I would pay my hard-earned moneys to hang out with you and your mum and geek out about these kinds of questions. I was recently in an email interaction with a traffic modeling professor because I wanted to find out about different options and methods for altering the flow of a street I pass frequently.
Second of all, what a genius idea it was connecting this topic with the "peep videography" style. Kudos for that.
Thirdly of them all, my usual strategy for when things don't go to the "socially accepted plan", i.e. we both find a way for an optimal balance of distance, volume, manner and timing, is to lean into the weird. Wether it's shouting back at them "so sorry, I really meant to just say hi in the normal way but now it's awkward, have a good day anyway, ok byyye" or making up an obviously fake and overenthusiastic apology. I find (self-deprecating) humor is often a nice way to make the awkwardness ok for all involved :) Laugh at yourself and don't take the interaction to seriously and you can hope that the other person will respond in kind.
I’m amazed RCT2 can simulate social anxiety
I now no longer can pass anyone on the street without getting a crisis. Thanks Marcel.