True, I hate gacha / random items get from a booster or whatever it is called in a product bought with real money I don't have any good luck in that. I only need what I need to play with affordable prices even if the card is only normal rarity. But sadly some cards in AE (Asian English) are really short print like S:P Little Knight, Promethean Princess, Bon Fire, etc for generic meta staple support cards and the price is almost 50$ each which is too expensive. So, I support konami making more tactical deck / duel ignition like this at least buy 2 is enough to get a playset of staples.
@@steelian_gaming Yugioh S:P Little Knight AE Asian English Rp370.000 Yugioh OCG S:P Little Knight SR AGOV Rp255.000 Lier, the only thing that changes from jp to ae is the box in ae are more scarce, because each stores can only carry limited amount of Ae boxes thus making those cards you mention harder to get, henc the 100k RP average of difference for ae and jp.
@@steelian_gaming keep in mind that is from tokopedia, a normie e shop you can get significantly cheaper in facebook marketplace, cmon man dont straight lying to people.
I love the idea of Structure Decks, but I really dislike the fact that you need to buy 3 of them to craft a viable strategy. I'd love for Konami to follow the Tactical Try model, and sell a full complete deck in one product
Yeah, yugiohs main issue is the barrier to entry, not only is the game easily the hardest of the "main" card games to learn its also usually the most expensive to get into
@@darkwolf9637 So true. As someone who played a lot of playground Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid years ago, and trying to come back to the game as an adult in my 30's, it feels super daunting. Like, I'm gonna pay an arm and a leg to build a deck that's only gonna get hit by ban lists a year or 2 down the line just feels bad. I hate that staples are printed at such high rarities it bumps the price up like crazy. If you want the game to be healthy and bring in new blood as it were, make staple cards cheep and easy to get.
Or even just the traditional model alongside a $26-ish version that's just 3 of the actual focused cards, cutting all the bulk (for example, fencing fire ferret and inari fire being in the salamangreat deck, etc).
@@seriousbisonstry out Edison! Also goat format. Way easier to understand and cheaper to play. You can build a tournament-winning Edison deck for like $100, and only like 3 of those cards are >$10, so could get it as low as $50 or so if you have to.
Another great thing the OCG has done is include a special booster pack specifically tailored to bolster your chosen structure deck. That would be a great addition too!
Bro I hate how these videos fall on deaf ears on Konami's part. You could go on for days about how good it could be but Konami is so set in their ways they will never change. Even when it makes sense. Like, why cant we use Asian english cards? Why cant we use OCG cards after release? You can't make translation a problem anymore because the YGO Neuron app will translate every language based on art the same. None of their practices make sense outside of greed.
To answer all of that, it's because of card backings and the fact that Asia uses different card stocks compared to the TCG which leads to stacked decks if you mix them with TCG cards.
just as the same thing to nexon global and nexon kr/jp are different company with different ceo at the top, konami is not an exception, konami global cant use konami jp properties vice versa.
Yo I have been saying this for a half a year now, Paul talks about Stockholm syndrome but what really is the point in talking about a game with 20 flaws every week talking about fixes and they may be apply one fix per 6 months like.. what the heck.. I do enjoy the game but like many of us we just branching off into other TCGs at this point
@@Shadowx157 This is why I completely stopped buying anything related to Konami for the most part. Not just cards but any product from them. The company is ass.
@@Signerdragon123that's a logical point but don't you also need sleeves on a tournament? I guess you can get away with it if your sleeves were thick enough?
I absolutely agree. The Tactical Try and OCG EN Structure Decks make the TCG ones look embarrassing. Even back in the day with the earlier Structure Decks, it felt like one copy was enough. The idea was to supplement the decks by buying booster packs, not extra copies of the deck. For example, Dragon’s Roar included Armed Dragon LV3 and LV5, but you were encouraged to buy Soul of the Duelist boosters to pull LV7. Maybe not the best example as I think nowadays a modern deck should just give you the LV7, but I feel like that least set new players on a more natural path of progression than just “buy this exact same product again”.
Right, older formats generally would play a lot of busted cards that were at 1 to begin with. Not to mention older Yugioh formats before XYZs generally werent archetype driven. You just crammed a bunch of cards usually into a deck that synergized together. Lightsworn, Blackwings and Diva HERO existed during Edison, but weren't most decks in that format just piles?
Back in the day - even back then there were plenty of times you wanted multiples. However the game speed was fundamentally different so you were less likely to notice suboptimal deck building as quickly.
Wholeheartedly agree. So many people have come to me asking to teach them and they just have a single structure deck they got months ago and they give up when I tell them that they actually needed 3 because obviously they would cause the shop has no more of it now anyway. In the other card game I play, weiss schwarz, their trial deck is a functional deck out of the box for 20 euros, even if often not optimized or competitive. It really should be like this, the 3 structure decks thing is a really non-intuitive for new players.
I find the better approach instead of a structure deck is to just buy the cards you want individually. Yeah it’s maybe more expensive than one structure deck (depending on the archetype you’re going for) but it’s definitely cheaper than three structure decks.
@@gameofender4463 that all well and good if you're already in the know, a new player doesn't know any of that, they just assume a structure deck does what it's advertised to do and then get dissapointed and confused and quit, I've seen this happen way too many times at my locals. If structure decks where playable at 1 copy I bet at least half of thsoe eople would have stayed.
Here is the weird thing. On one hand, structure decks are perfectly fine if you just play super casually, but on the other hand, if they had more than one copy of some cards and you wanted more copies of some other card that was only included once or twice, you would end up with a lot of extras if you bought multiples decks.
@otterfire4712 Do people really want extras? 6 extra of any card is quite a lot. And I am not sure if the fact that you can sell them really matters for this discussion
@@janieraltreche1989 lmao yea, It's the same thing though sometimes a popular structure deck will go from $12 to $15/18 plus taxes. Try to get a Shaddoll structure deck now each one is like $30/40 for x1. And what if you can't find x2 more?
I actually like the way structure decks work as is. I enjoy curating my own cards and figuring out ratios for myself, and that requires having quite a few redundant cards. To get a full playable deck in one purchase while retaining the deck modification space would require probably 2 or 2.5 times as many cards per box. Plus when you're buying 3 by default, you're getting like 15 ultra rares across 5 playsets, and you're getting three chances at any special inserts like the alt-art familiar-possessed. If they were adjusted to only require one purchase, you'd probably have playsets that were 1 ultra and 2 commons, which would be very annoying. The only thing I think is really a problem is the price. Bring it back down to a tenner per box.
Selling cards in the Western market is clearly way different from the Japanese market, while I don't doubt that stuff like Tactical Try Decks are a good business idea, I also could understand the fear that making any significant change to the business model could topple over the shaky TCG scene. Though onboarding is just the hardest part of getting people into the TCG. I don't think that making a good structure deck is really enough to fix it when the core gameplay is undeniably what is causing the retention problem but it certainly would help. Wider net and all. It's not like the Tactical Try and Duel Ignition decks would hurt core product sales, either - they're all of decks that are still semi-viable but obviously and blatantly power crept. My suggestion on how to solve the "3 of" problem is to sell a premium Structure Deck, at something like $30 though depending on how premium you want the product I could even see it going as high as $45. Have it be the exact same contents as the regular Structure Deck, but everything at 3 copies, and some extra bonus small goodies like a 6-sided die or more foil cards (or, even better, make the goodies things that a player will want/need to get to playing in-person events like deck boxes, non-paper mats, sleeves, etc.) You can sell the regular Structure Decks as they are at the same time. Pretty sure Pokemon has a product that's just exactly this, just not as a structure deck.
I know people are going to defend Konami and say that buying 3 makes them money, but I would argue that you can make _more_ money by releasing a lot of different archetypes as these Tactical Try/Duel Ignition decks with a bunch of 3 ofs and 2 ofs. It makes the barrier to entry a lot lower and newcomers can buy 2-3 different strategies each with a complete core right off the bat, which gives a lot larger of an incentive for them to stick with YGO than if they only had 1. And we know how much money you can make off players who are willing to stick.
This is 3 fold. The trick is they believe that they can get a parent to buy one cheap box and believe it will be enough, while if you made one usable box for 3 times the price the parent might not buy. Meanwhile, they know someone actually shopping who knows what they're doing will buy three. And they occupy more shelf space this way which western markets try to go for
There's no reason a proper starter deck with solid ratios should cost any more than a single structure deck. The total number of cards included will be about the same anyway, and structure decks make all the included cards dirt cheap anyway so it's not like putting three garunix in one starter is going to tank the card's value any more than putting one in a structure deck.
@moominfin I'm afraid we are beyond that. It would take quite the boycott to make them do that. They can sell 3, or 1. So they sell 3. And they certainly won't sell that 1 for the same price if they thought that. We are talking demand and profit. In an ideal world you would be right, that would be the dream.
@nmr7203 totally agree with you. I've seen people buying Pokémon cards for their kids so it's technically gotta happen for Yugioh too, since "oh my kid, grandkid or nephew likes dragons/ dinosaurs/ whatever, ill just grab this real quick" but if it did in even a slightly reasonable number there'd be some Karen moms complaining that the game is way too complicated for "6+" years
I couldn't agree more. I used to love Structure Decks. In the early days, just a single one was a perfectly functional deck (though maybe not competitive). Nowadays, some cards actually make no sense to play in those decks (like the Pot of Extravagance in the Albaz Structure Deck; imagine a fusion-based deck banishing its whole Extra Deck to draw 2 cards). Sure, even the old ones still had a few very situational cards, but at least activating those didn't screw you over completely. The whole thing where you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 decks and combine them is a huge turnoff for me. I have no trouble admitting that I suck at deckbuilding, so I would love to just be able to buy a deck and play with it, rather than having to either sit there and think about ratios and which cards to cut completely, or having to look up something online on how to best build the deck. As for the Tactical Try Decks and the Duel Ignition Decks, I would love to have those available worldwide. Honestly, if they kept making decks like those for various archetypes, I just might actually start buying cards again.
at this point the TCG structures are "Do you want 1 handtrap, 1 starter, and enough filler that the box won't fall off the shelf" If you're playing branded these days the Albaz actually has a decent amount of what you need besides your other piles
I refuse to buy 3 copies of a structure deck. It's not the price, it's not about a message, it's just about how wasteful it feels. I like collecting these, I get 1 even for a deck I don't really intend on playing. It's nice to have them all lined up and to have the decks already started if I do want to play them. But having 3 boxes, 3 paper mats, 3 copies of the bulk cards, 3 sets of plastic covers and wrapping to go through, it just feels awful. I will buy one and buy the singles if I want anything else. Where do those singles come from though? Probably some vendors ripping apart displays of these and tossing 80% of the deck into a bulk bin. Again, it just feels so awful. Seriously, they should take more lessons from their speed duel sets. It feels like they have so many good ideas that they refused to embrace for the mainline game. The more recent sets had prebuilt decks for a bunch of characters, and then there's always one extra pack of cards on the bottom that has a few reprints, or cards meant to work with a previous set, or just some tech options that aren't really part of the core strategy. Maybe even just a few cards that are too weak/few in number to include as a standalone deck. Why can't they do that for these structures? Have a proper deck with 3x of the staples and important cards, include a fully functional 15-card extra deck, give a side deck or bulk pack or whatever that has extra tech options and maybe some older cards if you want to experiment with those. I'd say something about rarity upgrades, but they actually are already starting that, and hopefully it works out so they continue with it. I'd much rather pay $20, $25, maybe even $30 for a single deck that is truly ready to play and comes with extra staples or cards to swap out if you want to experiment with the deck. Surely this would be in their favor as well, charging more per individual card but not wasting so much money printing cards that people aren't asking for in the same quantity as the SD-exclusive ones
i miss when structure decks came out as rivaled pairs. yugi/kaiba, dragon/zombie, fire/water. good stuff. an idea i've been kicking around for a while is a boxset, akin to the speed duel sets, that tell the storyline of a certain group of cards, with decks. like a World Legacy Boxset that has a Krawler, Guardragon, and Orcust deck. also, structure decks should have a full 15 card extra deck.
I totally agree. I was stunned to see the swordsoul deck completely decked out compared to what we get in the states. Also, I wish these structure decks were released here. I would love to try out the Swordsoul deck.
I returned to Yugioh with Master Duel after many years and i'm still baffled how structure decks only have 5 extra deck monsters and sometimes, even in that absurd situation, they still put useless monsters instead of, i don't know, the archetype's extra deck monsters???? Let's not even talk about how in the main deck even with 40 cards they manage to put so much useless sh*t and avoid putting so many useful or even necessary cards, sometimes even from the very archetype of the structure. Another abomination is for example what they did with the pendulum structure where they cramped 4 whole a*s archetypes (Performapal, Odd-Eyes, Pendulum Magician, Supreme King) in one single deck and they didn't put enough for neither of those 4. They need to put their sh*t together and start making proper structure both in real life and in Master Duel, starting with stopping with their stupid retarted habit of limiting always to this damned 40 cards in main deck and pathetic 5 cards in extra deck.
Thanks for noticing this man I feel bad for my tcg friends dropping the game one by one because they cant afford the game anymore. I hope TCG do tactical try decks there in TCG like we do here in OCG
@BussiDestroyer I bought 3 HERO Ignition Decks and it has, Im not kidding, the entire HERO core and a set of staples and I even have spares the new AE SDs are really cheap and a great way for new players to start with. My only gripe with it is that it doesnt have a combo guide and paper playmat.
I have always been of a mind that Konami should have stuck to making Character starter decks (like the Yugi, Kaiba, Joey, Pegasus, Jaden, and Syrus starter decks) these decks offer great cards for starting either an anime character copy deck, or a starting point to collect their deck archetypes. They should be starter decks though, 40% themed around the character’s ace monsters and cards and 60% on semi random support filler that introduces other cards available in the new set or from the game’s history. But also that the Structure decks should all be Element themed; fire, water, light, dark, wind, and earth. And focus more on giving adept players and casual players new themed decks from the new sets to play with - meanwhile leaving the monster “type” archetypes to the booster packs and those who buy singles As a way for them to build their own decks and encourage fun and the thrill of opening booster packs - but still having a decently fun playable (but not competitive) deck. Knowing that the other decks that come out that year are all evenly balanced. For example; I stumbled upon the Gladiator Beasts through opening booster packs when they first came out, I was looking for blackwings and Yusei Fudo cards for my character copy decks and I will never forget reading my first Gladiator Beast - Alexander. He had a strong ability but he could only be summoned by another specific Gladiator Beast - Demacarii. So now I had a new archetype to search for when I opened packs. And I realized after a time that I had enough for a 40 card deck. And after playing it I was hooked, I loved the tag out mechanic and I LOVE how 100% of the gladiator beast cards were self contained - meaning they all played off of each other and they all worked off of their iconic ‘tag out’ ability - even the spells and traps. This meant that I didn’t need to play any other filler cards like “trap hole, mirror force, MST, monster reborn” or any other classic staple cards from the earlier game. It’s not that they weren’t good cards - but I really like how all of the Gladiator Beast cards were fair and many of them returned to the deck after use (especially when using indomitable Gladiator Beast). This iconic archetype and play style quickly became my iconic deck (to this day), I was “The Gladiator Beasts Duelist” at School. Iit wasn’t until about a year into playing the deck did I realize I had opened 3 fusion monsters: Giadiaz, Gyzerous, and Heraklinios. it was such a powerful and welcomed upgrade to add and I discovered the REAL power of the Gladiator Beasts! But it all came from just opening packs in search of completing my anime character copy decks.
Commander is weird and not a great comparison since the decks have p varied power level (though they usually play well within the set of decks that release together). It's also a singleton format so buying multiple /usually/ doesn't make sense. And Wizards does purposefully exclude a lot of staples (eg. better dual lands) to move packs instead. Though they also balance that out by printing new unique cards (YMMV if that's a good thing or not). A better comparison might be the old Standard or Pioneer Challenger decks which provide you with an older (maybe about to rotate out) constructed format deck that has everything you need to take it to locals. Yes, you have upgrades (again... lands usually and some but not a lot of bulk), but the core of the deck is all there and you usually don't need multiple copies of a deck to make it play well.
Iirc, Salamangreat Sanctum, an Asian-English structure deck was kinda on its way to doing something like this if it wasn't already at the same level of accessibility as the Tactical-Try and Duel Ignition decks. I'd love to see the latter model in our TCG-side decks for sure. Focus on resting up and get better soon!
While the current system could certainly be improved in many ways, I don't think this issue is quite so black-and-white. Here are some things I like about the Structure Deck model: You can buy any number of them depending on your preference. A single copy can allow you to get your feet wet at a low price and if you want more, the option is there. One man's filler is another man's treasure. Spirit of Flames, Fencing Fire Ferret, Blaster and Burner are some of my favorite cards in the Fire King deck, even though they would never make it into a competitive build. The HAT cards and Mekk Knights in the Traptrix deck were awesome. Finally and in my opinion most importantly you can customize your deck without any outside cards. Having 120 Main Deck cards to choose from is a lot, even if some of them are obviously suboptimal. Deckbuilding is one of the most fun aspects of card games and Structure Decks enabling that is nothing but a good thing. Now that being said, the high total price point is definitely an issue. Structure Deck MSRP should be going down, if anything.
I love the idea you are working with, sadly they realistically won't move away from a buy 3 format so long as they can still make 3 sales rather than just 1. As long as we as players are willing to buy 3 boxes, they unfortunately won't change how they do that. Now I see where you are coming from with sets of 3 but only one of each is foil, I think L5R did that too. They could do something like that and it would be a great move that didn't cut their sales too much.
mtg made structure decks for Pioneer, one of their 1v1 formats a bit ago. Those decks (usually) had max copies for all the cards you'd need as well as 15 card side deck. I hope we get products like that eventually. I feel like the reason why we didn't get any of the tactical try decks is that Konami didn't want to put resources into "translating" the deck designs into the TCG format. Unfortunate, but hopefully they change their minds next year
I think they should both implement a single ready to play structure deck, but also structure sets. Bring back releasing 2 structures at a time and bundle them together for a reduced price so 2 people can play from the start. And if they really want to get new people into the game more easily, create an ultimate structure set where you get both decks (main, extra and side), mats, sleeves, deck boxes, a coin and some dice so that you have everything ready to go for a full competitive style game of Yu-Gi-Oh right out of the box
I'm really surprised that Konami hasn't released a "premium" preconstructed deck that is more tailored to advanced/competitive play. For example, in Grand Archive TCG, you can get a semi-competitive structure deck, an additional set of cards to fill out the deck's playsets, 3 packs, a box of art print Dragon Shield sleeves, all together in a nice box with dividers, for $50 MSRP. Even Pokemon TCG releases precon competitive decks that you could buy two of to make a tournament-topping deck. Yu-Gi-Oh seems to have the worst of both worlds, with the decks requiring you to buy multiple to get playsets and not including the staples needed to give the deck a chance outside of casual play.
I would sayu they are good for collecting since they include most of the archetype focused sometimes such as lightsworn however often lack in extra deck monsters additionally to make the deck competitive or playable yes you have to buy 3 or singles to build a deck using the actual useful cards to combo unlike the swordsoul ocg deck where its a playable engine built in (speaking of which its also my favorite deck which is basically what I built already with tcg cards and it was cool watching you duel with it)
They should sell two versions. 1) the tactical try deck, just the deck no fluff and 2) the "starter" kit which includes the mat, dice (2 D6), coin, sleeves, deck box, side deck w/ some bulk staples. So if the tactical try comes with just Ash blossom maybe one of the bulk staples is x3 Ghost Ogre etc. These need to be used to help new players access the game.
It's strange because they just become great in the last year's. Branded, TrapTrix and Fire Kings where amazing structure decks and the cyber dragon and dark world structure decks where great for beginners. They should make structure decks of tier 2 and 3 decks. There are dozens of modern decks that are great to play and could be a lot more competitive if they make 1-2 more support. What I'm thinking is Drytron, Sky Strikers, Eldlich, Generators, Live Twins, Sharks, Swordsoul, Madolche, Tri Brigade or Exosister. There are a dozens or so decks that they where competitive 3-4 years ago but they can't compete now or even worst they never had a chance in the spotlight. Both Libromancer and Vernusylph are great in concept but where completely unplayable in the metas they where release so with some more support they would make amazing tier 3 structure decks to play at least locals
All of it really comes back to just making YGO an export game. Do everything in Japan and just turn Konami of America and Europe into import warehouses, releasing everything worldwide day and date. Yes, it might be a little more expensive (though the savings from larger bulk manufacturing may offset a lot of it) but it'll be worth it in almost every way.
Man, you really sold those Asian English structure decks, they are a far cry better than the ones we get here in the states. An optimized structure deck with a full extra deck and must have hand traps would be really nice. At this point a structure deck that is just three copies each of every good hand trap and board breaker to pair with any meta deck's engine would allow far more people to play. Structure decks should give access to all high priced cards in the meta or give direct counters to over priced cards or stand in's for them. Or a themed deck that counters the current meta or the up coming meta. You have the meta deck, then a deck that counters that deck, then a third deck that does it's own thing, but has a strong match-up against both of those two decks allowing for a three way contest where each deck can be a lot of fun to play against either of the remaining two. Or have a meta where most fan favorite decks can hold there own with cheap cards that counter the most powerful decks in the game. Not floodgates, but effects that turn there strongest advantage into something helpful for both players in a unique way that doesn't prevent actions but adds effects causing both players to gain from searches and other common actions. Something that warps the power creep in a way that causes far more decks to be viable almost like a reversal of niburi where all it did was lock out several decks and force everyone to summon a monster negate before there fifth summoning, a hand trap that enables literally any deck to beat any other deck by copying several of there card effect(s). By discarding this card and chaining it to an effect you gain that effect at the same time your opponent gains it. Something along those lines with an additional GY effect to steal instead of copy an effect(always would mis-timing most likely but would still be a negate to most card effects) The wording would matter a lot for if my opponent gets to summon back three level one fire monsters from the GY I would be allowed to summon back any three monsters from my GY as long as they are at least three monsters there it's wording would allow it. Gaining any search card's effect would allow the searching for any card from the deck, which somewhat is already in the game in Triple Thrust as well as most archetype locked searches which isn't much of a lock at all.
When I first tried to play yugioh I purchased some structure deck and played them with my friends. We had no clue we needed to buy three. It didn't make for fun games. Generally the person who drew the "good cards" of the deck won.
Barely related, but I'm looking forward to that Blue-Eyes structure deck since my crappy deck is based on cards heavily from Saga of Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Legendary Decks II lol
One thing I think a lot of people miss with discussions like this, because they'd rather just call Konami money hungry, is that you have to also look at the layman's PR perspective as well. As competitive players, we understand playing three of staple cards, but the layman might not understand that. I remember opening structure decks as a kid and feeling kind of ripped off when I got two of the same card in the structure deck, before I knew anything about deck building and consistency. I can't imagine how "instead of 40+ unique cards for about $11, we're now going to charge you 20 for about 20 unique cards with a bunch of duplicates" going with the layman (and all the Komoney allegations). I think it's a great idea and that we should do it, but just something to keep in mind.
Probably less of a problem nowadays, but certainly used to be true. I remember being confused about why there was a 3 copies maximum when I only ever needed 1 of each card - cos the anime taught me that I'd always draw what I needed. I think I assumed the 3 max was just for cyber dragons.
I mean obviously I don’t know where you’re from, but at my local target Walmart they’re $10-$14, Best Buy and Walmart have them online for $11.99. Hope this helps maybe!
When I used to buy MTG planeswalker decks and YGO structure decks for about the same price I never understood why a game (MTG) that is generally less combo reliant sold decks with more consistency with multiple copies of cards. I think a more fair comparison to what YGO should be doing are the Pokemon league battle decks. A deck that’s actually playable out of the box with boss monsters and staples clearly displayed for less than $30 usually
I think the current method is fine. I recently got back into ygo after more than 15 years. This is a situation where I think the opinion of someone new like me and people playing for many years will differ quite a bit. For long term players the cards that are not as good are just bulk and go on a massive pile of unused cards. For me however it feels nice to get a full archetype plus reprinted staples. You can do some deckbuilding and buying 3 will give you a playset of everything. Even some good staples like ash, veiler and imperm. That said the thing I agree on are the missing staple cards. Where are cards like droplet, lightning storm, triple tactics, etc. ? I think the prices of these are a much bigger issue than how structure decks are constructed. In my area three droplets cost about as much as three structure decks. making sure that these staples are accessible would go a long way in making ygo more beginner friendly imo.
Id pay $20 for a structure deck that gives me full copies of the main cards but i also want more strategies to be expanded on. I dont want to see cyber dragon and blue eyes they have enough, i want to see phantom knights and red eyes and plenty of other archytypes that could use support and a breath of fresh air into the strategies
I understand your argument, but I like the deckbuiling part of buying 3 structure decks. Im a new player and I know my friends wont buy yugioh cards. But I bought 3 copies of some structure decks and we can try the deck and then try to make it better by opening 2 more copies. Its fun and they are willing to try the game. And maybe, who knows, maybe they will finally decide to get into yugioh if they like the experience. I couldnt have this deckbuilding experience with them with only one copy of a deck with 3x the best cards in it.
@@RandomGuy-bu5pn generally people in ae region doesnt like when their products bought by overseas tcg players, its made the price inflated because konami jp only given less pack to ae region shops due to the buying power of ae countries, now because tcg players and shops buy them the products now become somehow harder for the actual target consumers because significant portion of the products are being sold in tcg countries for no reason. like please if you are screwed up by konami global dont screw us in asia as well.
@@r3zaful I mean AE does have better quality control and Rarities compared to normal EN, it is popular among some collectors for that reason so it is kinda inevitable such thing happens, are you screw over because of it? I don't really mind cause I use pre-orders.
One reason why i have gravitated away from playing yugioh recently is the fact that it seems like english products are all feared towards extracting as much money as possible from our market. They give us the bare minimum in terms of a product, manipulate rarities in such a way that the only format playable cards are higher rarities, and then as you said make structure decks a 3 of purchase. It really sucks, and i feel like this could be solved by other formats and other tweaks but it sucks seeing this pattern over and over again
i admit i'd really love to see these type prebuilt decks in yugioh but i'd realistically see a product that would be equivalent to the league battle decks from pokemon which are about 30$ish for a near fully competitive deck right out of the box only needing a few cards to fully optimize and a trainers toolkit which is another 30$ish to get in pokemon competitive scene going for about 60$ish for the tcg instead of these more affordable buy one or two of decks for 12$ to 15$ that you could take to locals
Some differences between the English Structure Decks and the Japanese ones since cards like Crush Card Virus and Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon were in the Japanese decks. The English side pretty much got the short end of the stick for the most part with some exceptions such as the Azure-Eyes deck. Sadly, TCG will always get cards that SHOULD be in the decks taken out and placed as "secret rares" in other sets.
Hey APS is there a way to make a tcg version of duel ignition? I think I’m a little confused overall, I understand that those duel ignition structure decks are only released in Asian American countries but if that’s the case then would it be okay if I ordered the deck and then used it for tcg? Cause a elemental hero neos deck would be really cool to have
I could see a them releasing a viable deck with filled out cards but with sleeves and potentially a mat. It would have to be closer to $40 - 50 depending on what was in the box and the decks would have to be totally different from other structure decks otherwise people would just dump money into the cheaper option. Also, how would complete novices know the difference between a rounded out deck and the base structure deck? Most casuals i know try to get the cheapest they can which rarely is a great experience in any environment (not just Yugioh)
they just need to add a sheet on how a turn works and how to normal summon and SS. stick it in the box along with a rule book for the base rules and put it in a Structure Deck that's based off a strategy 2 for non anime and 2 for anime based decks so 4 you can pick, this is already a better product then what magic dose. (i got into magic and it was so painfull, i also saw a page pdf with 1000+ pages of the actual rules of magic) but yea just do that. also the real yugioh rule book is no longer then about 50 pages and it go's over EVERYTHING. also add, what you can do on the playmat like the weiss schwarz paper matt dose. as im new to WS it is SOOO HELP FULL
Preordered 3 Blue Eyes White Destiny on Target app. $38. I agree. The 3 structure deck model is nonsense. Especially the dreadful “extra deck” in them 😅
Nah I won’t lie, I quite enjoy the structure decks the way they are. 9 times outta 10 once I make whatever deck I want using 40-45 of the cards from the 3 structure decks I just set the remainders to the side to use for later decks. It works quite well for me deck-building wise, and it also allows me the chance to spend a lil $8-12 on decks that I don’t wanna invest too heavy into but still wanna take home w me yk?
Deck building is half the fun for me in yugioh. Honestly I think I spend more time deck building than actually playing the game. 😅 So personally I like the way the old structure decks are put together and it is nice to get reprints of old cards that have some synergy with structure deck themes. Is there an argument to be made that they aren't too beginner friendly? Perhaps, but I'd say Yugioh as a game isn't beginner friendly.
They completely skipped over TCG for Tactical Try Decks (unless you play Master Duel), we didnt get those DM or Blue Eyes decks that was for AE only, and it was an open question as to whether we would get the newer Blue Eyes deck after being without anything for over a year. I only think we are getting that because it's the 25th anniversary, and it's more nostalgia bait. This isn't how you treat one of your best products. I'm convinced they will either be phasing them out for TCG or we will get them increasingly less in lieu of more gacha products. Same issue I had with losing tin promos. They want more variance, so people keep dipping back in.
we need one structure deck that costs like 30$ that already has 3 copies of each card also they should fill them up with goodies like token sleeves dice
I really do think that structure decks should be more competitive out of the box. I know people love to say Konami is money hungry by not reprinting expensive staples or usable cards but, and maybe im wrong, konami has no real stake in maintaining prices in the secondary market. Wouldnt *more* people buy the structure deck if it came with competitive staples that let you actually fight back against the whales at your locals ripping people to shreds? Wouldnt you be more incentivised to stick with the game as a new player if you get the backbone staples to every deck out of the gate? just dont understand why the TCG has such an aversion to reprinting staples when it would do so much for player retention. And before anyone says this: yes, i know some structure decks do have some of the staples in them as one-of's. But its literally only one of them and the different staples are scattered throughout different structure decks. So you'd need to buy multiple structure decks for multiple different strategies. No new player is going to know that
Those yugioh monster box battle eddtion was great if they can do that with new stucture deck that would be nice plus put lot more of what would need for a duel
Yeah a commander pre con is a bit much BUT big but a commander deck is 100 cards not 40. Would laugh in Konami face if they raised it that high for a hand full of 3 of commons. I like the 3 format because if there’s only 1 or 2 of something in the kind of package you want I gotta buy more for 3 anyways. I buy 3. I have 3 of everything to put in and out as I test and dial it in
@@troglodytezero1697Except that's not really true because the way they're doing it is driving even people who buy product into not doing so. It was pretty rare that I bought less than three to five boxes. Now it's one for everything. If that. In part due to the way things are done but in large part because of quality, absolutely going downhill. It's weird for a pack not to have damage, at least one card. And decks often have all of the rares damaged now. They want people like me buying them because I collect everything in every set in every rarity at 4x copies. I prefer to open them myself, but more and more, I've taken to buying singles instead, simply because when I buy one near mint from one of the scalpers, at least I know it's not going to be damaged (or if it is, it will be a lot simpler a process to get my money back).
Ok well fsir Paul the structures in magic youre thinking of are commander which cannot have more than one card with the same name besides basic lands lol and we are getting 100 cards in it with some of the cards even reprinted are worth a 10+$ on their own where you net positive in terms of card value DEPENDING on what that card is. Its also now 60$ which to me is too high but ill still give in like i did with the Fallout precon
Sadly, I think they're going to try what makes them the most money which is purchasing three for a competent deck, they are even going as far to add Chase rarity cards into structure decks to make people consider buying more than 3.
We need like a 50$ product or 2 where its a viable deck but its 15 extra deck cards and like 15 side deck if not 30 extra like tech cards that can work in the deck or are good staples
Considering that you only need 1 or 2 copies of each extra deck card, this would not be a long term viable strategy. They would either give random garbage that would do nothing to the viability of the deck or fluff the extra with excessive dupes. It wouldn't really change anything
I am convinced that Konami TCG will not really change anything, regardless of how good the feedback is. They don't care about the fans. They never have, and they never will. The TCG will always be inferior to the OCG and it's just something people have to accept. I accepted it, and quit the TCG game permanently. :P I still buy OCG boxes because they are fun to open and legitimately worth the money.
They will never change until TCG players stop buying product at inflated prices. Every time you see someone buy a case of a booster set, they're contributing to the problem. TCG players are the paypigs and OCG players are the wife's boyfriend's
I think they could do something like the tatical tri decks in the west but structure it like the 2 player starter deck. I feel like thats an ok power level for someone whos willing drop 20 bucks on trading cards.
Konami just doing what every other industry is doing: making money by trying to “scam” the customers instead of doing something that would benefit the customer. People flock to good deals, companies just need to be less greedy (impossible challenge).
Idk why we cant just all tell TCG hey we want these decks or this style of deck they can say no but piss off alot of customers like give some push back we dont want the crappy buy 3 structures just to have a deck core thats not even competitive in the slightest anymore
Yeah now konami thinks better it is more affordable for so many at any age even the youngest for the price and it is competative on a modern deck it is ready to play structure deck you can have fun for easy access of these new yugioh structure deck more of these for all different structure decks tenpai, yubel, ancient gear, cyber dragon, dark magician, red eyes, blue eyes, ryzeal, tearlaments, runnick and so many more
_Once you play the Tactical Try and Duel Ignition decks, you can never really go back._
True, I hate gacha / random items get from a booster or whatever it is called in a product bought with real money I don't have any good luck in that. I only need what I need to play with affordable prices even if the card is only normal rarity. But sadly some cards in AE (Asian English) are really short print like S:P Little Knight, Promethean Princess, Bon Fire, etc for generic meta staple support cards and the price is almost 50$ each which is too expensive. So, I support konami making more tactical deck / duel ignition like this at least buy 2 is enough to get a playset of staples.
@@steelian_gaming
Yugioh S:P Little Knight AE Asian English
Rp370.000
Yugioh OCG S:P Little Knight SR AGOV
Rp255.000
Lier, the only thing that changes from jp to ae is the box in ae are more scarce, because each stores can only carry limited amount of Ae boxes thus making those cards you mention harder to get, henc the 100k RP average of difference for ae and jp.
@@steelian_gaming keep in mind that is from tokopedia, a normie e shop you can get significantly cheaper in facebook marketplace, cmon man dont straight lying to people.
I love the idea of Structure Decks, but I really dislike the fact that you need to buy 3 of them to craft a viable strategy. I'd love for Konami to follow the Tactical Try model, and sell a full complete deck in one product
Yeah, yugiohs main issue is the barrier to entry, not only is the game easily the hardest of the "main" card games to learn its also usually the most expensive to get into
U want konami to make u spend less money lol
@@darkwolf9637 So true. As someone who played a lot of playground Yu-Gi-Oh as a kid years ago, and trying to come back to the game as an adult in my 30's, it feels super daunting. Like, I'm gonna pay an arm and a leg to build a deck that's only gonna get hit by ban lists a year or 2 down the line just feels bad. I hate that staples are printed at such high rarities it bumps the price up like crazy. If you want the game to be healthy and bring in new blood as it were, make staple cards cheep and easy to get.
Or even just the traditional model alongside a $26-ish version that's just 3 of the actual focused cards, cutting all the bulk (for example, fencing fire ferret and inari fire being in the salamangreat deck, etc).
@@seriousbisonstry out Edison! Also goat format. Way easier to understand and cheaper to play. You can build a tournament-winning Edison deck for like $100, and only like 3 of those cards are >$10, so could get it as low as $50 or so if you have to.
I really like "pass turn" as a sign off btw
it is pretty fire yeah
Video takes as long as a turn of yugioh too
@@Zero-9909Perfect to watch during your opponent's turn
@@Zero-9909 hahaha omg XD (but yea pass turn is great)
Another great thing the OCG has done is include a special booster pack specifically tailored to bolster your chosen structure deck. That would be a great addition too!
Bro I hate how these videos fall on deaf ears on Konami's part.
You could go on for days about how good it could be but Konami is so set in their ways they will never change. Even when it makes sense.
Like, why cant we use Asian english cards? Why cant we use OCG cards after release? You can't make translation a problem anymore because the YGO Neuron app will translate every language based on art the same.
None of their practices make sense outside of greed.
To answer all of that, it's because of card backings and the fact that Asia uses different card stocks compared to the TCG which leads to stacked decks if you mix them with TCG cards.
just as the same thing to nexon global and nexon kr/jp are different company with different ceo at the top, konami is not an exception, konami global cant use konami jp properties vice versa.
Yo I have been saying this for a half a year now, Paul talks about Stockholm syndrome but what really is the point in talking about a game with 20 flaws every week talking about fixes and they may be apply one fix per 6 months like.. what the heck.. I do enjoy the game but like many of us we just branching off into other TCGs at this point
@@Shadowx157 This is why I completely stopped buying anything related to Konami for the most part. Not just cards but any product from them. The company is ass.
@@Signerdragon123that's a logical point but don't you also need sleeves on a tournament? I guess you can get away with it if your sleeves were thick enough?
I absolutely agree. The Tactical Try and OCG EN Structure Decks make the TCG ones look embarrassing.
Even back in the day with the earlier Structure Decks, it felt like one copy was enough. The idea was to supplement the decks by buying booster packs, not extra copies of the deck. For example, Dragon’s Roar included Armed Dragon LV3 and LV5, but you were encouraged to buy Soul of the Duelist boosters to pull LV7. Maybe not the best example as I think nowadays a modern deck should just give you the LV7, but I feel like that least set new players on a more natural path of progression than just “buy this exact same product again”.
Right, older formats generally would play a lot of busted cards that were at 1 to begin with. Not to mention older Yugioh formats before XYZs generally werent archetype driven. You just crammed a bunch of cards usually into a deck that synergized together. Lightsworn, Blackwings and Diva HERO existed during Edison, but weren't most decks in that format just piles?
Back in the day - even back then there were plenty of times you wanted multiples.
However the game speed was fundamentally different so you were less likely to notice suboptimal deck building as quickly.
Wholeheartedly agree. So many people have come to me asking to teach them and they just have a single structure deck they got months ago and they give up when I tell them that they actually needed 3 because obviously they would cause the shop has no more of it now anyway. In the other card game I play, weiss schwarz, their trial deck is a functional deck out of the box for 20 euros, even if often not optimized or competitive. It really should be like this, the 3 structure decks thing is a really non-intuitive for new players.
I find the better approach instead of a structure deck is to just buy the cards you want individually. Yeah it’s maybe more expensive than one structure deck (depending on the archetype you’re going for) but it’s definitely cheaper than three structure decks.
@@gameofender4463 that all well and good if you're already in the know, a new player doesn't know any of that, they just assume a structure deck does what it's advertised to do and then get dissapointed and confused and quit, I've seen this happen way too many times at my locals. If structure decks where playable at 1 copy I bet at least half of thsoe eople would have stayed.
Here is the weird thing. On one hand, structure decks are perfectly fine if you just play super casually, but on the other hand, if they had more than one copy of some cards and you wanted more copies of some other card that was only included once or twice, you would end up with a lot of extras if you bought multiples decks.
As if you can't use them for other decks or have an extra in case you lose one in your main deck
@otterfire4712 Do people really want extras? 6 extra of any card is quite a lot. And I am not sure if the fact that you can sell them really matters for this discussion
@baggelissonic depends on the duplicates. Generic staples and splashable techs are very much appreciated duplicates for multiple decks.
I miss when they did decks on characters, i wish they do a kite galaxy eyes deck, a yugo speedroid deck etc
@@PhenomenalOne1000 nah non anime decks are cool
@ they can do both ya know
The moment they drop a kite structure deck I’m buyin that
there are format for that in ocg where stores are given predetermined decks like duel trial deck in md, but sucks to be you.
They did one based on Jack Atlas though
It ain't going to happen, But I agree they should go the MTG route and just price a complete deck at $40-$50
That would be more expensive
@@janieraltreche1989 lmao yea, It's the same thing though sometimes a popular structure deck will go from $12 to $15/18 plus taxes. Try to get a Shaddoll structure deck now each one is like $30/40 for x1. And what if you can't find x2 more?
@@Shadowx157 about 40 yes ,50 no.
Tbh I'd rather pay $36 for three yugioh structures than $50 for one MTG structure, given that MTG structure decks still aren't playable anyway.
@@Shadowx157 i will get tactical try deck for 7 instead
I actually like the way structure decks work as is. I enjoy curating my own cards and figuring out ratios for myself, and that requires having quite a few redundant cards. To get a full playable deck in one purchase while retaining the deck modification space would require probably 2 or 2.5 times as many cards per box. Plus when you're buying 3 by default, you're getting like 15 ultra rares across 5 playsets, and you're getting three chances at any special inserts like the alt-art familiar-possessed. If they were adjusted to only require one purchase, you'd probably have playsets that were 1 ultra and 2 commons, which would be very annoying.
The only thing I think is really a problem is the price. Bring it back down to a tenner per box.
Selling cards in the Western market is clearly way different from the Japanese market, while I don't doubt that stuff like Tactical Try Decks are a good business idea, I also could understand the fear that making any significant change to the business model could topple over the shaky TCG scene. Though onboarding is just the hardest part of getting people into the TCG.
I don't think that making a good structure deck is really enough to fix it when the core gameplay is undeniably what is causing the retention problem but it certainly would help. Wider net and all. It's not like the Tactical Try and Duel Ignition decks would hurt core product sales, either - they're all of decks that are still semi-viable but obviously and blatantly power crept.
My suggestion on how to solve the "3 of" problem is to sell a premium Structure Deck, at something like $30 though depending on how premium you want the product I could even see it going as high as $45. Have it be the exact same contents as the regular Structure Deck, but everything at 3 copies, and some extra bonus small goodies like a 6-sided die or more foil cards (or, even better, make the goodies things that a player will want/need to get to playing in-person events like deck boxes, non-paper mats, sleeves, etc.) You can sell the regular Structure Decks as they are at the same time. Pretty sure Pokemon has a product that's just exactly this, just not as a structure deck.
I know people are going to defend Konami and say that buying 3 makes them money, but I would argue that you can make _more_ money by releasing a lot of different archetypes as these Tactical Try/Duel Ignition decks with a bunch of 3 ofs and 2 ofs. It makes the barrier to entry a lot lower and newcomers can buy 2-3 different strategies each with a complete core right off the bat, which gives a lot larger of an incentive for them to stick with YGO than if they only had 1. And we know how much money you can make off players who are willing to stick.
Yep. People are sheep and won't think outside the box.
This is 3 fold. The trick is they believe that they can get a parent to buy one cheap box and believe it will be enough, while if you made one usable box for 3 times the price the parent might not buy. Meanwhile, they know someone actually shopping who knows what they're doing will buy three. And they occupy more shelf space this way which western markets try to go for
It also looks nicer on paper if you see the precon selling at least twice as much since many players buy three copies and others buy one or two.
There's no reason a proper starter deck with solid ratios should cost any more than a single structure deck. The total number of cards included will be about the same anyway, and structure decks make all the included cards dirt cheap anyway so it's not like putting three garunix in one starter is going to tank the card's value any more than putting one in a structure deck.
@moominfin I'm afraid we are beyond that. It would take quite the boycott to make them do that. They can sell 3, or 1. So they sell 3. And they certainly won't sell that 1 for the same price if they thought that. We are talking demand and profit. In an ideal world you would be right, that would be the dream.
Are parents still buying cards for their kids these days
@nmr7203 totally agree with you. I've seen people buying Pokémon cards for their kids so it's technically gotta happen for Yugioh too, since "oh my kid, grandkid or nephew likes dragons/ dinosaurs/ whatever, ill just grab this real quick" but if it did in even a slightly reasonable number there'd be some Karen moms complaining that the game is way too complicated for "6+" years
I couldn't agree more.
I used to love Structure Decks. In the early days, just a single one was a perfectly functional deck (though maybe not competitive). Nowadays, some cards actually make no sense to play in those decks (like the Pot of Extravagance in the Albaz Structure Deck; imagine a fusion-based deck banishing its whole Extra Deck to draw 2 cards). Sure, even the old ones still had a few very situational cards, but at least activating those didn't screw you over completely.
The whole thing where you're supposed to buy 2 or 3 decks and combine them is a huge turnoff for me. I have no trouble admitting that I suck at deckbuilding, so I would love to just be able to buy a deck and play with it, rather than having to either sit there and think about ratios and which cards to cut completely, or having to look up something online on how to best build the deck.
As for the Tactical Try Decks and the Duel Ignition Decks, I would love to have those available worldwide. Honestly, if they kept making decks like those for various archetypes, I just might actually start buying cards again.
at this point the TCG structures are "Do you want 1 handtrap, 1 starter, and enough filler that the box won't fall off the shelf"
If you're playing branded these days the Albaz actually has a decent amount of what you need besides your other piles
I refuse to buy 3 copies of a structure deck. It's not the price, it's not about a message, it's just about how wasteful it feels. I like collecting these, I get 1 even for a deck I don't really intend on playing. It's nice to have them all lined up and to have the decks already started if I do want to play them. But having 3 boxes, 3 paper mats, 3 copies of the bulk cards, 3 sets of plastic covers and wrapping to go through, it just feels awful. I will buy one and buy the singles if I want anything else. Where do those singles come from though? Probably some vendors ripping apart displays of these and tossing 80% of the deck into a bulk bin. Again, it just feels so awful.
Seriously, they should take more lessons from their speed duel sets. It feels like they have so many good ideas that they refused to embrace for the mainline game. The more recent sets had prebuilt decks for a bunch of characters, and then there's always one extra pack of cards on the bottom that has a few reprints, or cards meant to work with a previous set, or just some tech options that aren't really part of the core strategy. Maybe even just a few cards that are too weak/few in number to include as a standalone deck. Why can't they do that for these structures? Have a proper deck with 3x of the staples and important cards, include a fully functional 15-card extra deck, give a side deck or bulk pack or whatever that has extra tech options and maybe some older cards if you want to experiment with those. I'd say something about rarity upgrades, but they actually are already starting that, and hopefully it works out so they continue with it. I'd much rather pay $20, $25, maybe even $30 for a single deck that is truly ready to play and comes with extra staples or cards to swap out if you want to experiment with the deck. Surely this would be in their favor as well, charging more per individual card but not wasting so much money printing cards that people aren't asking for in the same quantity as the SD-exclusive ones
Probably just better to buy the cards you want and build your deck that way.
i miss when structure decks came out as rivaled pairs.
yugi/kaiba, dragon/zombie, fire/water.
good stuff.
an idea i've been kicking around for a while is a boxset, akin to the speed duel sets, that tell the storyline of a certain group of cards, with decks.
like a World Legacy Boxset that has a Krawler, Guardragon, and Orcust deck.
also, structure decks should have a full 15 card extra deck.
Rivaled pairs were the best! We need more of that
I only buy Structure Decks to build card castles... Get it? STRUCTURE decks
Structure decks
I'll see myself out
I like how affordable they are but adding a few extra copies of certain cards would make them a must buy
I totally agree. I was stunned to see the swordsoul deck completely decked out compared to what we get in the states. Also, I wish these structure decks were released here. I would love to try out the Swordsoul deck.
@Jwayspillz You do realise the TCG includes Europe right..?
I returned to Yugioh with Master Duel after many years and i'm still baffled how structure decks only have 5 extra deck monsters and sometimes, even in that absurd situation, they still put useless monsters instead of, i don't know, the archetype's extra deck monsters????
Let's not even talk about how in the main deck even with 40 cards they manage to put so much useless sh*t and avoid putting so many useful or even necessary cards, sometimes even from the very archetype of the structure.
Another abomination is for example what they did with the pendulum structure where they cramped 4 whole a*s archetypes (Performapal, Odd-Eyes, Pendulum Magician, Supreme King) in one single deck and they didn't put enough for neither of those 4.
They need to put their sh*t together and start making proper structure both in real life and in Master Duel, starting with stopping with their stupid retarted habit of limiting always to this damned 40 cards in main deck and pathetic 5 cards in extra deck.
Thanks for noticing this man I feel bad for my tcg friends dropping the game one by one because they cant afford the game anymore. I hope TCG do tactical try decks there in TCG like we do here in OCG
we have to pay 700 usd minimum to stand a chance here in TCG. Too expensive when other card game exists.
@BussiDestroyer I bought 3 HERO Ignition Decks and it has, Im not kidding, the entire HERO core and a set of staples and I even have spares the new AE SDs are really cheap and a great way for new players to start with. My only gripe with it is that it doesnt have a combo guide and paper playmat.
I have always been of a mind that Konami should have stuck to making Character starter decks (like the Yugi, Kaiba, Joey, Pegasus, Jaden, and Syrus starter decks) these decks offer great cards for starting either an anime character copy deck, or a starting point to collect their deck archetypes.
They should be starter decks though, 40% themed around the character’s ace monsters and cards and 60% on semi random support filler that introduces other cards available in the new set or from the game’s history.
But also that the Structure decks should all be Element themed; fire, water, light, dark, wind, and earth. And focus more on giving adept players and casual players new themed decks from the new sets to play with - meanwhile leaving the monster “type” archetypes to the booster packs and those who buy singles As a way for them to build their own decks and encourage fun and the thrill of opening booster packs - but still having a decently fun playable (but not competitive) deck. Knowing that the other decks that come out that year are all evenly balanced.
For example; I stumbled upon the Gladiator Beasts through opening booster packs when they first came out, I was looking for blackwings and Yusei Fudo cards for my character copy decks and I will never forget reading my first Gladiator Beast - Alexander. He had a strong ability but he could only be summoned by another specific Gladiator Beast - Demacarii. So now I had a new archetype to search for when I opened packs. And I realized after a time that I had enough for a 40 card deck.
And after playing it I was hooked, I loved the tag out mechanic and I LOVE how 100% of the gladiator beast cards were self contained - meaning they all played off of each other and they all worked off of their iconic ‘tag out’ ability - even the spells and traps. This meant that I didn’t need to play any other filler cards like “trap hole, mirror force, MST, monster reborn” or any other classic staple cards from the earlier game. It’s not that they weren’t good cards - but I really like how all of the Gladiator Beast cards were fair and many of them returned to the deck after use (especially when using indomitable Gladiator Beast).
This iconic archetype and play style quickly became my iconic deck (to this day), I was “The Gladiator Beasts Duelist” at School. Iit wasn’t until about a year into playing the deck did I realize I had opened 3 fusion monsters: Giadiaz, Gyzerous, and Heraklinios. it was such a powerful and welcomed upgrade to add and I discovered the REAL power of the Gladiator Beasts!
But it all came from just opening packs in search of completing my anime character copy decks.
Commander is weird and not a great comparison since the decks have p varied power level (though they usually play well within the set of decks that release together). It's also a singleton format so buying multiple /usually/ doesn't make sense. And Wizards does purposefully exclude a lot of staples (eg. better dual lands) to move packs instead. Though they also balance that out by printing new unique cards (YMMV if that's a good thing or not).
A better comparison might be the old Standard or Pioneer Challenger decks which provide you with an older (maybe about to rotate out) constructed format deck that has everything you need to take it to locals. Yes, you have upgrades (again... lands usually and some but not a lot of bulk), but the core of the deck is all there and you usually don't need multiple copies of a deck to make it play well.
I still think the two starter decks of this year was terrible.
I forgot those existed...
I only bought a box for zues lol
It had a Zeus and an Eldlich lol. Worth it 100% for me, but garbage for actually teaching people the game.
Konami on the west money hungry, so I doubt it we receive this duel ignitions deck here
Iirc, Salamangreat Sanctum, an Asian-English structure deck was kinda on its way to doing something like this if it wasn't already at the same level of accessibility as the Tactical-Try and Duel Ignition decks. I'd love to see the latter model in our TCG-side decks for sure. Focus on resting up and get better soon!
Konami try to be consumer friendly challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Have to wonder how big Paul is IRL. Those structure decks in hand make it seem like he is Shaquille O’Neal levels of giant.
No, I'm pretty small irl! 😅 Their structure deck boxes are just also really tiny!
While the current system could certainly be improved in many ways, I don't think this issue is quite so black-and-white. Here are some things I like about the Structure Deck model:
You can buy any number of them depending on your preference. A single copy can allow you to get your feet wet at a low price and if you want more, the option is there.
One man's filler is another man's treasure. Spirit of Flames, Fencing Fire Ferret, Blaster and Burner are some of my favorite cards in the Fire King deck, even though they would never make it into a competitive build. The HAT cards and Mekk Knights in the Traptrix deck were awesome.
Finally and in my opinion most importantly you can customize your deck without any outside cards. Having 120 Main Deck cards to choose from is a lot, even if some of them are obviously suboptimal. Deckbuilding is one of the most fun aspects of card games and Structure Decks enabling that is nothing but a good thing.
Now that being said, the high total price point is definitely an issue. Structure Deck MSRP should be going down, if anything.
I love structure decks because it's the best way to get me into trying a new archetype.
Agreed. Arc-V especially had so many interesting archetypes that it’s surprising that most characters don’t have a structure deck.
I love the idea you are working with, sadly they realistically won't move away from a buy 3 format so long as they can still make 3 sales rather than just 1. As long as we as players are willing to buy 3 boxes, they unfortunately won't change how they do that. Now I see where you are coming from with sets of 3 but only one of each is foil, I think L5R did that too. They could do something like that and it would be a great move that didn't cut their sales too much.
mtg made structure decks for Pioneer, one of their 1v1 formats a bit ago. Those decks (usually) had max copies for all the cards you'd need as well as 15 card side deck. I hope we get products like that eventually.
I feel like the reason why we didn't get any of the tactical try decks is that Konami didn't want to put resources into "translating" the deck designs into the TCG format. Unfortunate, but hopefully they change their minds next year
I think they should both implement a single ready to play structure deck, but also structure sets. Bring back releasing 2 structures at a time and bundle them together for a reduced price so 2 people can play from the start. And if they really want to get new people into the game more easily, create an ultimate structure set where you get both decks (main, extra and side), mats, sleeves, deck boxes, a coin and some dice so that you have everything ready to go for a full competitive style game of Yu-Gi-Oh right out of the box
I'm really surprised that Konami hasn't released a "premium" preconstructed deck that is more tailored to advanced/competitive play. For example, in Grand Archive TCG, you can get a semi-competitive structure deck, an additional set of cards to fill out the deck's playsets, 3 packs, a box of art print Dragon Shield sleeves, all together in a nice box with dividers, for $50 MSRP. Even Pokemon TCG releases precon competitive decks that you could buy two of to make a tournament-topping deck. Yu-Gi-Oh seems to have the worst of both worlds, with the decks requiring you to buy multiple to get playsets and not including the staples needed to give the deck a chance outside of casual play.
I would sayu they are good for collecting since they include most of the archetype focused sometimes such as lightsworn however often lack in extra deck monsters additionally to make the deck competitive or playable yes you have to buy 3 or singles to build a deck using the actual useful cards to combo unlike the swordsoul ocg deck where its a playable engine built in (speaking of which its also my favorite deck which is basically what I built already with tcg cards and it was cool watching you duel with it)
They should sell two versions. 1) the tactical try deck, just the deck no fluff and 2) the "starter" kit which includes the mat, dice (2 D6), coin, sleeves, deck box, side deck w/ some bulk staples. So if the tactical try comes with just Ash blossom maybe one of the bulk staples is x3 Ghost Ogre etc. These need to be used to help new players access the game.
I wanted those Triple Tactical Try decks in the TCG so bad. :/
So glad you mentioned this and compared them to Precons. Yes, this should totally be like precons are. Buy one, sleeve it up, and be able to play it.
It's strange because they just become great in the last year's. Branded, TrapTrix and Fire Kings where amazing structure decks and the cyber dragon and dark world structure decks where great for beginners. They should make structure decks of tier 2 and 3 decks. There are dozens of modern decks that are great to play and could be a lot more competitive if they make 1-2 more support. What I'm thinking is Drytron, Sky Strikers, Eldlich, Generators, Live Twins, Sharks, Swordsoul, Madolche, Tri Brigade or Exosister. There are a dozens or so decks that they where competitive 3-4 years ago but they can't compete now or even worst they never had a chance in the spotlight. Both Libromancer and Vernusylph are great in concept but where completely unplayable in the metas they where release so with some more support they would make amazing tier 3 structure decks to play at least locals
All of it really comes back to just making YGO an export game.
Do everything in Japan and just turn Konami of America and Europe into import warehouses, releasing everything worldwide day and date.
Yes, it might be a little more expensive (though the savings from larger bulk manufacturing may offset a lot of it) but it'll be worth it in almost every way.
Man, you really sold those Asian English structure decks, they are a far cry better than the ones we get here in the states. An optimized structure deck with a full extra deck and must have hand traps would be really nice. At this point a structure deck that is just three copies each of every good hand trap and board breaker to pair with any meta deck's engine would allow far more people to play. Structure decks should give access to all high priced cards in the meta or give direct counters to over priced cards or stand in's for them. Or a themed deck that counters the current meta or the up coming meta. You have the meta deck, then a deck that counters that deck, then a third deck that does it's own thing, but has a strong match-up against both of those two decks allowing for a three way contest where each deck can be a lot of fun to play against either of the remaining two. Or have a meta where most fan favorite decks can hold there own with cheap cards that counter the most powerful decks in the game. Not floodgates, but effects that turn there strongest advantage into something helpful for both players in a unique way that doesn't prevent actions but adds effects causing both players to gain from searches and other common actions. Something that warps the power creep in a way that causes far more decks to be viable almost like a reversal of niburi where all it did was lock out several decks and force everyone to summon a monster negate before there fifth summoning, a hand trap that enables literally any deck to beat any other deck by copying several of there card effect(s). By discarding this card and chaining it to an effect you gain that effect at the same time your opponent gains it. Something along those lines with an additional GY effect to steal instead of copy an effect(always would mis-timing most likely but would still be a negate to most card effects) The wording would matter a lot for if my opponent gets to summon back three level one fire monsters from the GY I would be allowed to summon back any three monsters from my GY as long as they are at least three monsters there it's wording would allow it. Gaining any search card's effect would allow the searching for any card from the deck, which somewhat is already in the game in Triple Thrust as well as most archetype locked searches which isn't much of a lock at all.
When I first tried to play yugioh I purchased some structure deck and played them with my friends. We had no clue we needed to buy three. It didn't make for fun games. Generally the person who drew the "good cards" of the deck won.
Barely related, but I'm looking forward to that Blue-Eyes structure deck since my crappy deck is based on cards heavily from Saga of Blue-Eyes White Dragon and Legendary Decks II lol
One thing I think a lot of people miss with discussions like this, because they'd rather just call Konami money hungry, is that you have to also look at the layman's PR perspective as well. As competitive players, we understand playing three of staple cards, but the layman might not understand that. I remember opening structure decks as a kid and feeling kind of ripped off when I got two of the same card in the structure deck, before I knew anything about deck building and consistency. I can't imagine how "instead of 40+ unique cards for about $11, we're now going to charge you 20 for about 20 unique cards with a bunch of duplicates" going with the layman (and all the Komoney allegations). I think it's a great idea and that we should do it, but just something to keep in mind.
Probably less of a problem nowadays, but certainly used to be true. I remember being confused about why there was a 3 copies maximum when I only ever needed 1 of each card - cos the anime taught me that I'd always draw what I needed. I think I assumed the 3 max was just for cyber dragons.
17 dollars for a structure at my local tcg shop, and walmart is no cheaper (maybe a dollar or 2 tops)
I mean obviously I don’t know where you’re from, but at my local target Walmart they’re $10-$14, Best Buy and Walmart have them online for $11.99. Hope this helps maybe!
When I used to buy MTG planeswalker decks and YGO structure decks for about the same price I never understood why a game (MTG) that is generally less combo reliant sold decks with more consistency with multiple copies of cards. I think a more fair comparison to what YGO should be doing are the Pokemon league battle decks. A deck that’s actually playable out of the box with boss monsters and staples clearly displayed for less than $30 usually
I think the current method is fine. I recently got back into ygo after more than 15 years. This is a situation where I think the opinion of someone new like me and people playing for many years will differ quite a bit.
For long term players the cards that are not as good are just bulk and go on a massive pile of unused cards.
For me however it feels nice to get a full archetype plus reprinted staples. You can do some deckbuilding and buying 3 will give you a playset of everything. Even some good staples like ash, veiler and imperm.
That said the thing I agree on are the missing staple cards. Where are cards like droplet, lightning storm, triple tactics, etc. ? I think the prices of these are a much bigger issue than how structure decks are constructed. In my area three droplets cost about as much as three structure decks.
making sure that these staples are accessible would go a long way in making ygo more beginner friendly imo.
Completely agree, wish they'd release the same products for the tcg!
which iginition deck is better, hero or swordsoul ?
Id pay $20 for a structure deck that gives me full copies of the main cards but i also want more strategies to be expanded on. I dont want to see cyber dragon and blue eyes they have enough, i want to see phantom knights and red eyes and plenty of other archytypes that could use support and a breath of fresh air into the strategies
I understand your argument, but I like the deckbuiling part of buying 3 structure decks. Im a new player and I know my friends wont buy yugioh cards. But I bought 3 copies of some structure decks and we can try the deck and then try to make it better by opening 2 more copies. Its fun and they are willing to try the game. And maybe, who knows, maybe they will finally decide to get into yugioh if they like the experience. I couldnt have this deckbuilding experience with them with only one copy of a deck with 3x the best cards in it.
Where do you buy the Duel Ignition decks from?
TCG corner is a website I know that have Asian English product, not legal outside Asia I warn you.
@@RandomGuy-bu5pn generally people in ae region doesnt like when their products bought by overseas tcg players, its made the price inflated because konami jp only given less pack to ae region shops due to the buying power of ae countries, now because tcg players and shops buy them the products now become somehow harder for the actual target consumers because significant portion of the products are being sold in tcg countries for no reason.
like please if you are screwed up by konami global dont screw us in asia as well.
@@r3zaful I mean AE does have better quality control and Rarities compared to normal EN, it is popular among some collectors for that reason so it is kinda inevitable such thing happens, are you screw over because of it? I don't really mind cause I use pre-orders.
One reason why i have gravitated away from playing yugioh recently is the fact that it seems like english products are all feared towards extracting as much money as possible from our market. They give us the bare minimum in terms of a product, manipulate rarities in such a way that the only format playable cards are higher rarities, and then as you said make structure decks a 3 of purchase. It really sucks, and i feel like this could be solved by other formats and other tweaks but it sucks seeing this pattern over and over again
i admit i'd really love to see these type prebuilt decks in yugioh but i'd realistically see a product that would be equivalent to the league battle decks from pokemon which are about 30$ish for a near fully competitive deck right out of the box only needing a few cards to fully optimize and a trainers toolkit which is another 30$ish to get in pokemon competitive scene going for about 60$ish for the tcg instead of these more affordable buy one or two of decks for 12$ to 15$ that you could take to locals
Some differences between the English Structure Decks and the Japanese ones since cards like Crush Card Virus and Blue-Eyes Ultimate Dragon were in the Japanese decks. The English side pretty much got the short end of the stick for the most part with some exceptions such as the Azure-Eyes deck.
Sadly, TCG will always get cards that SHOULD be in the decks taken out and placed as "secret rares" in other sets.
Hey APS is there a way to make a tcg version of duel ignition? I think I’m a little confused overall, I understand that those duel ignition structure decks are only released in Asian American countries but if that’s the case then would it be okay if I ordered the deck and then used it for tcg? Cause a elemental hero neos deck would be really cool to have
I was impressed at how good it was without having to get a three of when you played it.
Hey mate, where did you get the structure deck?
Imported these off eBay!
I could see a them releasing a viable deck with filled out cards but with sleeves and potentially a mat. It would have to be closer to $40 - 50 depending on what was in the box and the decks would have to be totally different from other structure decks otherwise people would just dump money into the cheaper option.
Also, how would complete novices know the difference between a rounded out deck and the base structure deck? Most casuals i know try to get the cheapest they can which rarely is a great experience in any environment (not just Yugioh)
they just need to add a sheet on how a turn works and how to normal summon and SS. stick it in the box along with a rule book for the base rules and put it in a Structure Deck that's based off a strategy 2 for non anime and 2 for anime based decks so 4 you can pick, this is already a better product then what magic dose. (i got into magic and it was so painfull, i also saw a page pdf with 1000+ pages of the actual rules of magic) but yea just do that. also the real yugioh rule book is no longer then about 50 pages and it go's over EVERYTHING. also add, what you can do on the playmat like the weiss schwarz paper matt dose. as im new to WS it is SOOO HELP FULL
Preordered 3 Blue Eyes White Destiny on Target app. $38. I agree. The 3 structure deck model is nonsense. Especially the dreadful “extra deck” in them 😅
Swap the OCG cards with tcg and/or those Asian English ones for the duel just to make it easier for you guys
Nah I won’t lie, I quite enjoy the structure decks the way they are. 9 times outta 10 once I make whatever deck I want using 40-45 of the cards from the 3 structure decks I just set the remainders to the side to use for later decks. It works quite well for me deck-building wise, and it also allows me the chance to spend a lil $8-12 on decks that I don’t wanna invest too heavy into but still wanna take home w me yk?
Totally understandable
Deck building is half the fun for me in yugioh. Honestly I think I spend more time deck building than actually playing the game. 😅 So personally I like the way the old structure decks are put together and it is nice to get reprints of old cards that have some synergy with structure deck themes. Is there an argument to be made that they aren't too beginner friendly? Perhaps, but I'd say Yugioh as a game isn't beginner friendly.
they do need to make money. But I agree getting the needed staples would be amazing
They completely skipped over TCG for Tactical Try Decks (unless you play Master Duel), we didnt get those DM or Blue Eyes decks that was for AE only, and it was an open question as to whether we would get the newer Blue Eyes deck after being without anything for over a year. I only think we are getting that because it's the 25th anniversary, and it's more nostalgia bait. This isn't how you treat one of your best products. I'm convinced they will either be phasing them out for TCG or we will get them increasingly less in lieu of more gacha products. Same issue I had with losing tin promos. They want more variance, so people keep dipping back in.
we need one structure deck that costs like 30$ that already has 3 copies of each card also they should fill them up with goodies like token sleeves dice
I feel like archetypes that are a year and a half maybe 2 years old should get a structure deck
I really do think that structure decks should be more competitive out of the box. I know people love to say Konami is money hungry by not reprinting expensive staples or usable cards but, and maybe im wrong, konami has no real stake in maintaining prices in the secondary market. Wouldnt *more* people buy the structure deck if it came with competitive staples that let you actually fight back against the whales at your locals ripping people to shreds? Wouldnt you be more incentivised to stick with the game as a new player if you get the backbone staples to every deck out of the gate? just dont understand why the TCG has such an aversion to reprinting staples when it would do so much for player retention.
And before anyone says this: yes, i know some structure decks do have some of the staples in them as one-of's. But its literally only one of them and the different staples are scattered throughout different structure decks. So you'd need to buy multiple structure decks for multiple different strategies. No new player is going to know that
"Expert Decks" where it's the world champs deck, but has the side deck as well. If buy it even if it was like $90
If we got structure decks like this legal for tcg, it would be a big step in fixing the tcg.
How can I order these ?
I used eBay
Those yugioh monster box battle eddtion was great if they can do that with new stucture deck that would be nice plus put lot more of what would need for a duel
I wish those two structures decks the swordsoul and hero came to the TCG.
Yeah a commander pre con is a bit much BUT big but a commander deck is 100 cards not 40. Would laugh in Konami face if they raised it that high for a hand full of 3 of commons. I like the 3 format because if there’s only 1 or 2 of something in the kind of package you want I gotta buy more for 3 anyways. I buy 3. I have 3 of everything to put in and out as I test and dial it in
Why Konami didn´t give the TCG good and cheap decks? Easy, the tcg brings in the big bucks for them.
That's it. Money. People in the US will spend money. They may whine about it, but in the end, they will pay.
@@troglodytezero1697Except that's not really true because the way they're doing it is driving even people who buy product into not doing so.
It was pretty rare that I bought less than three to five boxes.
Now it's one for everything. If that. In part due to the way things are done but in large part because of quality, absolutely going downhill.
It's weird for a pack not to have damage, at least one card. And decks often have all of the rares damaged now.
They want people like me buying them because I collect everything in every set in every rarity at 4x copies.
I prefer to open them myself, but more and more, I've taken to buying singles instead, simply because when I buy one near mint from one of the scalpers, at least I know it's not going to be damaged (or if it is, it will be a lot simpler a process to get my money back).
Ok well fsir Paul the structures in magic youre thinking of are commander which cannot have more than one card with the same name besides basic lands lol and we are getting 100 cards in it with some of the cards even reprinted are worth a 10+$ on their own where you net positive in terms of card value DEPENDING on what that card is. Its also now 60$ which to me is too high but ill still give in like i did with the Fallout precon
Sadly, I think they're going to try what makes them the most money which is purchasing three for a competent deck, they are even going as far to add Chase rarity cards into structure decks to make people consider buying more than 3.
We need like a 50$ product or 2 where its a viable deck but its 15 extra deck cards and like 15 side deck if not 30 extra like tech cards that can work in the deck or are good staples
Considering that you only need 1 or 2 copies of each extra deck card, this would not be a long term viable strategy.
They would either give random garbage that would do nothing to the viability of the deck or fluff the extra with excessive dupes. It wouldn't really change anything
Top 15 stucture deck that would want to see get made i did figure buy one then custom it then people wont know what in there rather then buying three
I am convinced that Konami TCG will not really change anything, regardless of how good the feedback is. They don't care about the fans. They never have, and they never will. The TCG will always be inferior to the OCG and it's just something people have to accept. I accepted it, and quit the TCG game permanently. :P I still buy OCG boxes because they are fun to open and legitimately worth the money.
I want a new toon structure deck with more support maybe a toon fusion monster like toon dragoon.
I couldn’t agree more
They will never change until TCG players stop buying product at inflated prices. Every time you see someone buy a case of a booster set, they're contributing to the problem.
TCG players are the paypigs and OCG players are the wife's boyfriend's
right, buying 3 structures decks is a waste of cardboard it should be illegal
I think they could do something like the tatical tri decks in the west but structure it like the 2 player starter deck. I feel like thats an ok power level for someone whos willing drop 20 bucks on trading cards.
Where do you pick these decks up that is legit?
7:12 why? money
Konami just doing what every other industry is doing: making money by trying to “scam” the customers instead of doing something that would benefit the customer. People flock to good deals, companies just need to be less greedy (impossible challenge).
AE Cards with TCG Backs are Legal.
I agree
Duel Ignition and Tactical Try puts 2 Player Starter Set to shame.
Me encanta la idea de Paul pero creo que sabemos que konami no tiene los huevos de darle buenos productos a tcg
Idk why we cant just all tell TCG hey we want these decks or this style of deck they can say no but piss off alot of customers like give some push back we dont want the crappy buy 3 structures just to have a deck core thats not even competitive in the slightest anymore
Hot take! The reason why MAXX is leagal in the OCG is, they realise that MAXX isnt as good as ppl think.
Maxx C is such a difficult card to talk about, but I do think you have a valid point here
Maxx C is played in 99% of tournament-winning main decks in the OCG... Seems pretty good.
Because tcg is where konami milks the fanbase dry
They make more money if they sell 3
Yeah now konami thinks better it is more affordable for so many at any age even the youngest for the price and it is competative on a modern deck it is ready to play structure deck you can have fun for easy access of these new yugioh structure deck more of these for all different structure decks tenpai, yubel, ancient gear, cyber dragon, dark magician, red eyes, blue eyes, ryzeal, tearlaments, runnick and so many more