Thanks for the informative video. I'm just curious why you stand up the drywall, short-side down instead of long-side down to reduce the number of vertical seams in the wall. I'd think less seams less noise penetration. Also less vertical seams makes the finished wall look smoother to the human eye. I used isolation clips on my ceiling and on the walls I laid my drywall long-side down for my percussion room and it has worked very well.
Great video! From what I understand, mass is what actually soundproofs and absorption (rockwool, etc.) only does so much (Plus helps with echo). What I don't quite get yet is how mass actually soundproofs. I keep reading about "blocking" sound waves. Or hindering transmission. But doesn't that mean it has to absorb sound in some way? It can't just be reflecting the sound till infinity inside the room. Same thing with mass loaded vinyl - It's very heavy, so it's good for actual soundproofing. But it's also flexible, unlike drywall. How is it actually blocking sound getting to the outside? I keep hearing that soundproofing with mass is a different thing than absorption. Also - When looking at sound proofing drawings, you often see (from the outside to the inside) : A layer of rockwool, then an air gap, another layer of rockwool, another air gap, then 2 drywall layers with a limp layer like green glue inbetween. Why is it in that order with the drywall part being on the inside of the room. Doesn't that mean it's echoing like crazy and you have to get more absorbers? Why not do it the other way around, with the rockwool layers on the inside and drywall on the outside?
Great video! The best!! What kind of board did you use for the back of the frame? What should be the distance between the frame and the brick wall itself? What kind of spacer to use to maintain the distance? How do you close the gap on the side of the frame and the wall? Thanks !!
This looks like a good system. I've always had good luck with 2 walls with regular drywall on the first, then 1/2", insulation, and a double layer on the second. No special materials needed which is a plus. I can't hear anything of the neighbors despite sharing a very tall wall. I may look into this if I have to do another one and don't have the space.
Does this mean you didn’t build a stud wall and put plasterboard on the wall then 1/2 insulation? If so how did you fix it & what insulation? Bit confused with all these special systems..
Great video, seems to add a lot of weight to the floor though? if this was installed on a first floor presumably you would have to get a structural engineer involved?
Thanks for watching! High mass materials are best for soundproofing and we always reccommended getting expert advice to check your structure can take the extra load.
Does this stop dog’s barking or when neighbours bangs their doors and sound travels through the side walls?! I live in a semi detached house and have party walls. Thank you.
how does this work for blocking out heavy bass, low frequencies.....that's what i'm trying to block out from my neighbors apt next door, i keep hearing his bass... does this system work for bass?
Hi, Low frequencies are the hardest to soundproof against. That's why you can always hear the bass outside a bar or nightclub. That being said this system will reduce a lot of the bass you're dealing with. If you want to see how it holds up against different frequencies you can see the data here www.ikoustic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/iKoustic_MuteClip_Systems_Performance_Data.pdf Thanks!
Hi iKoustic, great video! Any specific reason why you recommend the 60kg/m3 mineral wool over the 100kg/m3 mineral wool? I'm assuming its simply an effectiveness per cost as 100kg/m3 would always be better. Is it just that it's a negligible gain for the much more expensive wool? Thank you!
Hi Mez, You can build a stud frame that connects to the adjacent walls, floor and ceiling slightly set off from the party wall. Alternatively, you can attach MuteClip directly to the party wall. I hope I've understood your question but if not feel free to call our team on 01937 588226 and we'll be glad to help! kind regards, Miles
Why is it so hard to find soundproof contractors in the US like this.. I’m in Atlanta, GA and have called 15 contractors and get same response- yeah we don’t really do that.. bummer
If requested the same thing from at least 5 contractors and gotten the same reply... probably because they only have built conventional walls to meet standard building codes.
Hi, our current systems don't actually use an additional stud frame. This setup is for our in-house testing and is a stud wall supported by brick pillars. Our current wall systems use MuteClips that are screwed directly into your brick or stud wall. However, if you want to create a decoupled stud wall in front of your existing brick wall, you would need to cover the outer perimeter in flanking band, to reduce vibration transference, and then screw the frame to the adjacent structures.
I cannot find one video where someone constructed this type of wall system where they perform a real world test with very loud bass music on the other side of the wall... not one.
Hello, I live in a country were the Tecsound SY70 is not available (Thailand). So if there is nothing to replace it, I will just put 1 layer of plasterboard. How efficient this will be? Any recommendation to find a similar product? Thank you
Hi K0msur, Yes you can just use acoustic plasterboards if you wish to improve your noise issue. It's worth noting it won't deliver the same results but if you are only after a small improvement this is a common choice. here is an example: www.ikoustic.co.uk/products/stud-wall-soundproofing/muteboard-2/
Hi thanks for the reply, but what I meant was, if I install a frame out of timber and put the rockwool inside, can I just drill the plasterboard onto the timber frame?Thanks.@@iKousticSoundproofing
Hi, Here's a link to the MuteClip systems performance data in different application areas. www.ikoustic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/iKoustic_MuteClip_Systems_Performance_Data.pdf
Hi Nobleman, Our dB figures are available here: www.ikoustic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/iKoustic_MuteClip_Systems_Performance_Data.pdf Unfortunately, I'm withheld from making a direct comparison on this product but I assure you the information is available online. Best of luck with your project and feel free to contact the team if you have any questions.
Hi, It shouldn't be required between the Tecsound layers as there aren't usually gaps. As the video shows, you can fit the Tecsound layers right up next to each other. You can also overlap them slightly and then trim away the excess for a perfect fit. If you did end up with some cracks, then sealant won't hurt and is a good idea. Hope that helps!
Hi @@deaosatori216 , No, this is perfectly fine. Acoustic mineral wool doesn't conduct vibrations in the way rigid materials do. Instead it 'exhausts' them, so contact is perfectly fine and will prevent cavity space fo the drum effect.
Hi @@deaosatori216, We haven't done this but we prefer using a membrane between two rigid layers (in this case acoustic plasterboards) as it adds a degree of flex. This prevents a sound that might excite layer one from easily passing into layer two.
Hi Theresa, Yes you can, this would be called out Muteboard Single system. In this system, you adhere the Tecsound to the back of the plasterboard before installing instead. You can read more here > www.ikoustic.co.uk/products/brick-wall-soundproofing/muteclip-single/
OF ALL I'VE RESEARCH SOFAR THIS IS😎 AWESOME, SPECIFIC AND SIMPLY THROUGHLY EXPLAIN WITH HANDS ON ACTION EXAMPLE, BASE ON MY BRAIN CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH CAUSE IT'S NOT MY DIALECT😁EXCEPT THAT I'M FROM A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY TO BE SPECIFIC PHILIPPINES. BELONG TO THE BELOW AVERAGE SO I CAN'T AFFORD THIS. 😅✌️ BUT KUDOS THIS IS REALLY GREAT! 👍👍👍 THANK YOU! IF ONLY I CAN BARTER YOUR MATERIAL FOR SIMPLE FREE ISLAND TOUR AND ACCOMODATION😁😅
So the last part confuse me with the sealing. Isn't that thin layer applied along the edge a huge weakness in the wall? In regards to subwoofers and sound isolation in general? I've never understood that part. And could you not also add isolation in the space the decoupling creates of its depth, although a small gap? Also is there a way to come in contact with you? I have my complete floorplan with the wood structure made in a 3D program. I have stripped down all my walls in the living room and changed the isolation to hunton woodfiber. About to build a second two inch wall with isolation on the inside against the harsh cold weather and trying to figure out the best way to build it without ruining my wallet. Decoupling is off the table, but the rubber band underneath the wall and on top and sides, with a small gap between and heavy wood fiber boards on that with no connection to the walls or ceiling is where I'm at. Thanks!
Hi Aleksander, Thanks for reaching out. I'd recommend visiting our website for contact details and to read more about our specifications. Here you will be able to reach out to the technical team to discuss you're the problem. Kind regards, Miles
Hi Blue Horizon, The MuteClip Double is our top-performing system. We do have more budget-friendly options on our website. www.ikoustic.co.uk/wall-soundproofing/ To illustrate the benefits of mUteClip you could compare our MuteBoard 2 system vs our MuteClip double system. MuteBoard 2 system is missing the MuteClip and channel and one layer of plasterboard. This system is capable of creating a 6dB reduction whereas the alternative using MuteClip creates a 15dB reduction. I hope this helps! Kind regards, Miles
It's good to show you but doesn't show how good it actually works. They should do a normal wall with sound coming through then this ikoustic system in place so we can hear the before and after. I know they have a separate video showing decibels reducing 5,10,15 etc but that's not in the real world . This video should have been a before and after so we can hear how affective this system is.
Hi Glenn, thanks for the suggestion! Sadly this is a free standing example wall in an open space, so a sound test as you describe wasn't possible. We are always looking out for these opportunities as we know hearing is beleiving!
Hi JbJ, Our top wall soundproofing systems can reduce up to 23dB. We have an audio example of that on this page: www.ikoustic.co.uk/products/brick-wall-soundproofing/muteclip-stud-double/ We have a few case studies on soundproofing music studios you may find useful: www.ikoustic.co.uk/blog/studio-build-pro-tools-expert/ I hope this helps! Kind regards, Miles
@@iKousticSoundproofing I take it, that would go up if one were to make it a double stud wall formation, or even staggered stud formation with a thicker base? Any data on that?
@@Theballroomgreenhills Adding 100mm of stud wall onto the current stud wall (both filled with RW3 60kg/m3 Mineral wool) Should improve the performance of the system by 4-6dB. There will be a similar improvement for a staggered stud wall formation. Unfortunately, we currently do not have test data on this formation. If you have any further questions feel free to call us on: 01937 588226 or visit our live chat at ikoustic.co.uk Kind regards, Miles
Great guide video. Hard to go wrong with this!
Thanks Richard. Don't forget our team are always on hand with application-specific advice for anyone using our products!
The detail is what makes the difference to performance of soundproofing. Great video -
Amazing video guides and also sales team are brilliant. Well done IKoustic
Thanks for the informative video. I'm just curious why you stand up the drywall, short-side down instead of long-side down to reduce the number of vertical seams in the wall. I'd think less seams less noise penetration. Also less vertical seams makes the finished wall look smoother to the human eye. I used isolation clips on my ceiling and on the walls I laid my drywall long-side down for my percussion room and it has worked very well.
Great video! From what I understand, mass is what actually soundproofs and absorption (rockwool, etc.) only does so much (Plus helps with echo).
What I don't quite get yet is how mass actually soundproofs. I keep reading about "blocking" sound waves. Or hindering transmission. But doesn't that mean it has to absorb sound in some way? It can't just be reflecting the sound till infinity inside the room.
Same thing with mass loaded vinyl - It's very heavy, so it's good for actual soundproofing. But it's also flexible, unlike drywall. How is it actually blocking sound getting to the outside?
I keep hearing that soundproofing with mass is a different thing than absorption.
Also - When looking at sound proofing drawings, you often see (from the outside to the inside) : A layer of rockwool, then an air gap, another layer of rockwool, another air gap, then 2 drywall layers with a limp layer like green glue inbetween.
Why is it in that order with the drywall part being on the inside of the room. Doesn't that mean it's echoing like crazy and you have to get more absorbers? Why not do it the other way around, with the rockwool layers on the inside and drywall on the outside?
What is the total depth this system takes up? From the party wall and stud frame to the final plaster boards?
Great video! The best!! What kind of board did you use for the back of the frame? What should be the distance between the frame and the brick wall itself? What kind of spacer to use to maintain the distance?
How do you close the gap on the side of the frame and the wall? Thanks !!
Would it make a difference if I put a silicone plate under the clips when I screw thamin
This looks like a good system. I've always had good luck with 2 walls with regular drywall on the first, then 1/2", insulation, and a double layer on the second. No special materials needed which is a plus. I can't hear anything of the neighbors despite sharing a very tall wall. I may look into this if I have to do another one and don't have the space.
Does this mean you didn’t build a stud wall and put plasterboard on the wall then 1/2 insulation? If so how did you fix it & what insulation? Bit confused with all these special systems..
Really well done. Like how the steps were explained with the reasoning.
Thanks very much for your feedback, Michael! Glad it was useful to you
Great video, seems to add a lot of weight to the floor though? if this was installed on a first floor presumably you would have to get a structural engineer involved?
Hi,
Because all soundproofing uses high mass, it is best to consult a structural engineer before you install a system, yes.
That isva HEAVY wall. Wow. Very educational. Thanks.
Thanks for watching! High mass materials are best for soundproofing and we always reccommended getting expert advice to check your structure can take the extra load.
Great vid. Can I attach the clips directly to a block wall (e.g. with TapCon masonry screws)?
Does this stop dog’s barking or when neighbours bangs their doors and sound travels through the side walls?! I live in a semi detached house and have party walls. Thank you.
It could be enough but sound could go around the wall through the floor or ceiling or side walls
25 mm soundblock 50 mm framing infilled with 50mm soundblock then two sheets soundproof insulation board ! Cheap and very very effective! Happy me !
how does this work for blocking out heavy bass, low frequencies.....that's what i'm trying to block out from my neighbors apt next door, i keep hearing his bass... does this system work for bass?
Hi,
Low frequencies are the hardest to soundproof against. That's why you can always hear the bass outside a bar or nightclub. That being said this system will reduce a lot of the bass you're dealing with. If you want to see how it holds up against different frequencies you can see the data here www.ikoustic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/iKoustic_MuteClip_Systems_Performance_Data.pdf
Thanks!
4:20 a chop saw works well at this and is quicker
Użyłam wełny akustycznej 15 oraz płyty gips akustycznej- nie pomogło
Hi iKoustic, great video! Any specific reason why you recommend the 60kg/m3 mineral wool over the 100kg/m3 mineral wool? I'm assuming its simply an effectiveness per cost as 100kg/m3 would always be better. Is it just that it's a negligible gain for the much more expensive wool? Thank you!
Hi Studio5,
You've hit the nail on the head! For most people, it's only a negligible gain for the price uplift.
Cheers,
Miles
Great video ,how can the studs be joined to the party wall to make sure of a gap?
Hi Mez,
You can build a stud frame that connects to the adjacent walls, floor and ceiling slightly set off from the party wall. Alternatively, you can attach MuteClip directly to the party wall. I hope I've understood your question but if not feel free to call our team on 01937 588226 and we'll be glad to help!
kind regards,
Miles
Why is it so hard to find soundproof contractors in the US like this.. I’m in Atlanta, GA and have called 15 contractors and get same response- yeah we don’t really do that.. bummer
If requested the same thing from at least 5 contractors and gotten the same reply... probably because they only have built conventional walls to meet standard building codes.
Hi. How you can connect the stud frame with the existing wall? 🤔 Only in this part I'm struggling. Thank you
Hi, our current systems don't actually use an additional stud frame. This setup is for our in-house testing and is a stud wall supported by brick pillars. Our current wall systems use MuteClips that are screwed directly into your brick or stud wall. However, if you want to create a decoupled stud wall in front of your existing brick wall, you would need to cover the outer perimeter in flanking band, to reduce vibration transference, and then screw the frame to the adjacent structures.
I cannot find one video where someone constructed this type of wall system where they perform a real world test with very loud bass music on the other side of the wall... not one.
did you screw the plasterboard straight to the channels with no iunsulation?
Hello, I live in a country were the Tecsound SY70 is not available (Thailand). So if there is nothing to replace it, I will just put 1 layer of plasterboard.
How efficient this will be? Any recommendation to find a similar product? Thank you
You could put green glue between the two layers of plasterboard
Hi, can the board be installed without the metal bits? Thanks.
Hi K0msur,
Yes you can just use acoustic plasterboards if you wish to improve your noise issue. It's worth noting it won't deliver the same results but if you are only after a small improvement this is a common choice.
here is an example: www.ikoustic.co.uk/products/stud-wall-soundproofing/muteboard-2/
Hi thanks for the reply, but what I meant was, if I install a frame out of timber and put the rockwool inside, can I just drill the plasterboard onto the timber frame?Thanks.@@iKousticSoundproofing
@@K0msur You can yes. This will result in poorer performance but is a common soundproofing technique.
thank you so much for the tips!
Do you have any transmission loss data on this system in front of a typical brick wall build up ?
Hi,
Here's a link to the MuteClip systems performance data in different application areas.
www.ikoustic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/iKoustic_MuteClip_Systems_Performance_Data.pdf
Why isn't there a clip on channel 4 stud 7?
There's 2 clips on 2/4/6 and 1 clip on 1/3/5/7.👍
Mute clips system vs Genie clip system DB difference? thanks
Hi Nobleman,
Our dB figures are available here: www.ikoustic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/iKoustic_MuteClip_Systems_Performance_Data.pdf
Unfortunately, I'm withheld from making a direct comparison on this product but I assure you the information is available online.
Best of luck with your project and feel free to contact the team if you have any questions.
Do you use acoustic sealant between the sections of tecsound
Hi,
It shouldn't be required between the Tecsound layers as there aren't usually gaps. As the video shows, you can fit the Tecsound layers right up next to each other. You can also overlap them slightly and then trim away the excess for a perfect fit. If you did end up with some cracks, then sealant won't hurt and is a good idea.
Hope that helps!
Thanks! You offset the stud wall from the party wall, but then isn't the rock wool touching the party wall? Is that an issue?
Hi @@deaosatori216 ,
No, this is perfectly fine. Acoustic mineral wool doesn't conduct vibrations in the way rigid materials do. Instead it 'exhausts' them, so contact is perfectly fine and will prevent cavity space fo the drum effect.
Thanks! Do you ever experiment with adding rubber or tecsound direct to wall before building the stud, like quietco often suggest?
Hi @@deaosatori216,
We haven't done this but we prefer using a membrane between two rigid layers (in this case acoustic plasterboards) as it adds a degree of flex. This prevents a sound that might excite layer one from easily passing into layer two.
Hello, what dimension are the timbers? I was going to construct a 2x2 frame, will this work?
Hi Mo, If you give our Technical team a call on 01937 221 276 they will be able to advise!
Very useful video thank you!!
Can you used one layer of plasterboard?
Hi Theresa,
Yes you can, this would be called out Muteboard Single system. In this system, you adhere the Tecsound to the back of the plasterboard before installing instead.
You can read more here > www.ikoustic.co.uk/products/brick-wall-soundproofing/muteclip-single/
OF ALL I'VE RESEARCH SOFAR THIS IS😎 AWESOME, SPECIFIC AND SIMPLY THROUGHLY EXPLAIN WITH HANDS ON ACTION EXAMPLE, BASE ON MY BRAIN CAPACITY TO UNDERSTAND ENGLISH CAUSE IT'S NOT MY DIALECT😁EXCEPT THAT I'M FROM A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY TO BE SPECIFIC PHILIPPINES. BELONG TO THE BELOW AVERAGE SO I CAN'T AFFORD THIS. 😅✌️ BUT KUDOS THIS IS REALLY GREAT! 👍👍👍 THANK YOU! IF ONLY I CAN BARTER YOUR MATERIAL FOR SIMPLE FREE ISLAND TOUR AND ACCOMODATION😁😅
So the last part confuse me with the sealing. Isn't that thin layer applied along the edge a huge weakness in the wall?
In regards to subwoofers and sound isolation in general? I've never understood that part. And could you not also add isolation in the space the decoupling creates of its depth, although a small gap?
Also is there a way to come in contact with you?
I have my complete floorplan with the wood structure made in a 3D program. I have stripped down all my walls in the living room and changed the isolation to hunton woodfiber.
About to build a second two inch wall with isolation on the inside against the harsh cold weather and trying to figure out the best way to build it without ruining my wallet. Decoupling is off the table, but the rubber band underneath the wall and on top and sides, with a small gap between and heavy wood fiber boards on that with no connection to the walls or ceiling is where I'm at.
Thanks!
Hi Aleksander,
Thanks for reaching out. I'd recommend visiting our website for contact details and to read more about our specifications. Here you will be able to reach out to the technical team to discuss you're the problem.
Kind regards,
Miles
Looking someone do it properly.
Wouldn't one get just as good a 'sound-proofing' if NOT using the 'Mute Clips' ?? (it's all very expensive for me tbh)
Hi Blue Horizon,
The MuteClip Double is our top-performing system. We do have more budget-friendly options on our website. www.ikoustic.co.uk/wall-soundproofing/
To illustrate the benefits of mUteClip you could compare our MuteBoard 2 system vs our MuteClip double system. MuteBoard 2 system is missing the MuteClip and channel and one layer of plasterboard. This system is capable of creating a 6dB reduction whereas the alternative using MuteClip creates a 15dB reduction.
I hope this helps!
Kind regards,
Miles
Impressive!
Thanks!
It's good to show you but doesn't show how good it actually works. They should do a normal wall with sound coming through then this ikoustic system in place so we can hear the before and after. I know they have a separate video showing decibels reducing 5,10,15 etc but that's not in the real world . This video should have been a before and after so we can hear how affective this system is.
Hi Glenn, thanks for the suggestion! Sadly this is a free standing example wall in an open space, so a sound test as you describe wasn't possible. We are always looking out for these opportunities as we know hearing is beleiving!
What db we talking I need to soundproof music studio
Hi JbJ,
Our top wall soundproofing systems can reduce up to 23dB. We have an audio example of that on this page: www.ikoustic.co.uk/products/brick-wall-soundproofing/muteclip-stud-double/
We have a few case studies on soundproofing music studios you may find useful: www.ikoustic.co.uk/blog/studio-build-pro-tools-expert/
I hope this helps!
Kind regards,
Miles
@@iKousticSoundproofing I take it, that would go up if one were to make it a double stud wall formation, or even staggered stud formation with a thicker base?
Any data on that?
@@Theballroomgreenhills Adding 100mm of stud wall onto the current stud wall (both filled with RW3 60kg/m3 Mineral wool) Should improve the performance of the system by 4-6dB. There will be a similar improvement for a staggered stud wall formation.
Unfortunately, we currently do not have test data on this formation.
If you have any further questions feel free to call us on: 01937 588226 or visit our live chat at ikoustic.co.uk
Kind regards,
Miles
Kidnappers tutorial right here
😂
Drummers* 😂
mineral wool will sag in time...
mineral or fibre wool is the only acoustic absorber, you can't have rigid insulation like PIR as it does nothing for sound proofing