Soundproofing the bedroom walls - direct-to-wall method (Renovation Part 15)
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- As part of our renovation project we’re going to soundproof the alcoves in our 1920’s property. There’s a number of ways to do this but I’m using the GenieClip direct to wall method with Tecsound mass loaded vinyl. A massive thankyou to Soundstop.co.uk who provded the materials for this project. Soundstop are a small UK-based business specialising in soundproofing solutions and were massively helpful with all of this. Link below:
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A massive thankyou to Soundstop.co.uk for providing some of the materials for this project. They're a small UK-based business and were really helpful throughout the whole process. Go and check them out at www.soundstop.co.uk/
Hi Andy great vid as usual my partner and I dont have the best of hearing to the point that my neighbour mentions she hears our tele .The adjoining wall is the only wall we can mount the tele bracket to,dont know what tele weighes but would the sound proofing compromise fitting the tele bracket.
@@paulwheatley5711 acoustic Fields Dennis Foley, if you want to know anything and everything about acoustics, diffusers, sound dampening not soundproofing because soundproofing doesn't exist, that is just an industry term,
How much did this cost for those two walls?
@@robhewitt1879 Loads! These companies charge the earth for this product; and, sadly, we found the difference in sound volume permeation negligible. Definitely, not worth the money.
PS just put up a bookcase - and fill it with books.... it's a lot cheaper
Wow wish I had this when I lived in a terraced house! I moved to the countryside and bought a house surrouded by fields!
I did that and the farmer sold up and left me surrounded by new-build houses...
@@Clodhopping hhhhhmmmm…. I now what you mean, my local town in Hertfordshire the farmer did the same thing…… 1,000 houses, fortunately there still a good half a mile between them and me…. It still beats listening to the next door neighbor’s tv when trying to sleep at night.
Without intending to sound cynical, I hope they’re still fields in 10 years time and not a housing estate.
@@robplazzman6049 they’re getting closer!
Andy, greetings from North Carolina. Thank you for sharing this entire renovation with us. You are covering so many different things. it has been very enlightening and I am enjoying it immensely.
Thank you and greetings to North Carolina! 👍👍
As a plasterer/Builder for 15+ years before new tings like this came about we would first fill in all holes like you have with Bonding then Drywall adhesive the whole walls and stick one sheet of soundproof board on the wall (like a huge tile) then get some roof battens and screw them to the wall (through the board) then Mastic down each side of the battens. Then install the 50mm rockwall and tape over the joints. Then install another sheet of Soundproof board making sure not to have the same direction lines in the previous layer of board (staggered joints) then Multi finish the board. Works every time for the DB you’re looking for. I bet its also a far bit cheaper. Keep up the good work! These houses really are built well. You can’t go wrong with a old House
If you are going to do it this way make sure you don’t leave any mastic on the wall/joints as plaster WON’T stick and will drag in to the other wet plaster (annoying the plasterer Massively)
I tried this as I had some spare board (just regular plasterboard) and rockwool and I found it very effective. I re-did it with acoustic plasterboard and it did the trick for a fraction of the cost of the materials in the video. To the extent it made soundproofing all the party wall hotspots affordable and worth doing.
As my French daughter in law taught me, I go to bed less stupid. Great video, Andy and thanks for sharing 🌞
Thank you Ray! 👍👍
You are not wrong when you say that stuff is heavy. I installed tecsound 50 and sound stop 6mm rubber underlay under a laminate floor, and carrying the rolls and packs all up the stairs by myself was a huge shoulder ache (hundreds and hundreds of kgs).
Btw, listening to your videos and reading the comments I learn so many new terms :D Inglenook, Furring strips, lath and plaster, constantly having to pause and google things hah
Nice job Andy i tell ya what i wont mind moving in any house you have renovated because i know ill have zero work to do because you would have already done it to such a great quality. im loving this house renovation project and cant wait to see the finished house keep up the good work Mr Mac
Thank you! Also can't wait to see it finished! 🤣
What i love about this project is that you make sensible upgrades and don't fix what's not broken. For most of us suckers cost is an issue. Oh and you need to convince your next door neighbor to do the same sound proofing :)
Fantastic video. Saved me a lot of time collecting empty egg cartons.
Love the videos! @Gosforth Handyman we did the same 3 years ago but with a slight variation, we have used 50mm RW5 Rockwool with rsilient bars and Green Glue in-between the two layers of Soundblock plasterboard and I can say it works very well. In the future I would use tecsound instead of greenglue as i think it would give better results and its less messy. Interesting fact - we only got a proper soundproofing when we covered the chimney, doing the alcoves only had a small effect in the 1930s house.
What kind of soundproofing materials did you apply to the chimney breast section?
Fitted wardrobes floor to ceiling in front of the offending walls, It's a good way of utilizing the lost space when sound proofing. It also helps to bock up the chimney in the room, sound can come out of there too, but make a hole in the loft part to help stop damp if the chimney pot is open
A very sound job👍
I'm hearin' ya! 🤣
Oh dear... 🤦♂️😂
Bah dum tss
meanwhile, inside the neighbours house...
he was yammering on about building some kind of soundproofing for a couple of days, but now he's gone very quiet...
Ha ha very possibly! They certainly would have heard the drilling! 😬
Or the family member and their dog who were staying for a while have now gone back home 😁
🤣🤣🤣
I know the feeling when they complained i said it’s your fault stop shouting at each other it’s soundproofing or led zeppelin and i mean it i wanted to move out
2:00 PM in Ohio. I Really Enjoy your videos! U r so meticulous but don't slack on explanations. I'm so glad I subscribed! I had a look at your homepage to c if u have a channel for your drumming, alas no. Wishing u all the best in everything u do! 🌹
Thank you and a big welcome to Ohio! Most of my drumming stuff is on th-cam.com/users/beginnerdrums 👍
I could do with a bit of that, my neighbour likes to sing Elvis on his Karaoke machine the same song over and over sometimes hehe. Aslong as he'll put up with any shenanigans on my side of the fence I dont give a flying fig.
Me watching this and realising that the £6k sound proofing job we commissioned was done wrong and no wonder it hasn't worked :( Will DIY it myself next time
Yeah but I bet they did one thing professionally - take yer £6K.
Oh no! What did they do?
Hi we can help do it properly where are you based ?
Watch out for asbestos bloody everywhere in house up until late 90s found it alot I used to do demo work
Great system. I have studied this subject in some detail and I think you have nailed it !
Cheers! It's worked really well. 👍
Very informative video, we are in the process of renovating our semi-detached bungalow we will definitely be using this system and no doubt returning to your video along the way 👍🏼
It’s like you read my mind! I’ve been wanting to do that and I am right in the middle of a renovation. Perfect!
I need to do this (in our Victorian house) for our bedroom which adjoins my neighbour's bathroom. Can hear *everything*. The wall is single leaf bricks laid on edge(!) because it was built as an internal wall before the house was divided.
There are sockets in the wall too which I hate dealing with.
Really enjoying your videos Andy- very helpful. We live in a Edwardian terraced property (just over water in Low Fell as it happens!) ; I thought when we bought it that these old properties would have good sound insulation!…but no, you can hear voices clearly. I am halfway through doing our alcoves down one side of the house (and underfloor sound deadening). I have initially used the Soundproofing store to get 30mm thick straight to wall soundboards and it seems also to work quite well - but as you point out it depends on what outcome you want vs space lost. I might upgrade to the isolation clips for the second part (upstairs) though..🤔.
Really good video i did my living room and bedroom walls similar to this method. Alot of people forget to insulate the floor which im glad we did ours also as can only help. Its really helped and glad we did our walls and if i moved house would do again. I went ott ad used the acoustic putty round the sockets too
Great stuff - I'm pleasantly surprised by how much difference it's made! 👍
@@GosforthHandyman that house will looke so nice when done love the size of the garden
So important having good soundproofing. Unfortunately I can hear everything my neighbours do, muffled conversation, sneezes, coughs, sex, even his thunderous snoring ! My house is a semi detached built in 1953.
Oh no! I must admit prior to doing this I could hear the TV in the adjoining room. Can't hear a thing now though. 👍
we are the same private rented next door walls are that thin we hear everything. drives us mad.
Hi where are you based ,we cover the northwest and Greater London. We are professional recording studio soundproofers who also undertake domestic jobs. Happy to help
Thanks for the education on soundproofing , I got Toxic neighbours from the depths of hell. I need this !
Used a similar system in an end of terrace victorian property, after sound proofing the walls, I can't stress enough how important it is to consider the underfloor voids. After spending money on the wall system and being tight on budget I found the best solution to be old books with the spine facing away from the adjoining wall, about 4 rows of them, in the joist void, a small gap (millimetres) between each row. You can use the different thickness of books (page numbers) to create a stack that fillings the gap, but doesn't touch the floor boards above, worked really well. The health and safety wizards probably would have a heart attack, but as the floors are all stripped wood, really does it matter? Great video.
Interesting! Were the books just sitting on the ceiling underneath?
@@GosforthHandyman it was a lathe and plaster ceiling so sitting on the peaks of the plaster that swished through from below.
Great job Andy and very informativei couldn’t see how you fixed each layer of plasterboard to the metal strips - how is this done? Many thanks and enjoy your videos, always sound and practical advice 👌
A very good step-by-step video and well explained. Thanks.👍
Adding fixings that physically short circuits the system must have impacted the performance also adding socket compromises the system. Would be interested in other thoughts on that.
You did a fantastic job at simplifying and demystifing the process.i was going to do this a while ago but it can all become overwhelming with the choice of methods. Thank you for yr time to share your knowledge.kind regards M
Andy, I didn't think I would get owt from this but watched it because of how well you explain things. I didn't think you could stop noise coming in from next door, now I'm thinking it it worth me doing this to my walls to stop the grandkids and bl**dy dogs next door. Thanks matey... Paul
Ha ha thanks Paul and good luck with those dogs! 🤣
Nice video. Just done the same ourselves in 4 alcoves plus a bedroom wall. It's good stuff. Unbelievably heavy like you say the tecsound, I'm amazed they can sell it in the width it is. Manual handling friendly it is not!
Was there much improvement? I've read so many conflicting things on sound proofing.
@@defected69 yes and no. In our bedroom it’s worked amazingly. Blocks absolutely everything on the large party wall. Downstairs though where we put it in alcoves on the other side with other neighbours it has significantly reduced it and it’s defiantly better, but we still get a lot of flanking noise from stomping around through the floor unfortunately. 1905 solid wall terrace.
I really like the music you use during the time lapse footage.
Cheers! Think that's "The End Of Summer" by Ave Air 👍
id be interested to know the EPC for this property, as this method i can see being used on the inside of all external walls for increased thermal performance.
Interesting stuff when you got noisy neighbors like me.
Maybe easier to kill them and stuff them behind a new wall.
What made you go for the direct to wall vs the SM20 Panels? The SM20 panels outperform the genieclip direct to wall and I think they're about the same price?
Also much easier to install as they just spray on stick to the wall, no holes or drilling.
Great video BTW, can't wait to use soundstop for my project in the next few weeks.
Caution against using tapered edge olasterboarded if someone is gonna skim. It’s not ideal. If it’s all you can get would be better to cut it off, or pre-fill the joint lines. Check with your plasterer about it first.
Very interesting video Andy, but that Tecsound is stickier than sticky the stick insect stuck to a sticky stick! 😂
Great idea if you're neighbours are noisy or got pet's. I had problems myself over the years with neighbors so thanks for sharing 🤠🤠🤠. How much extra did it cost
Whe'man! Super swanky sticky back plastic....👍🏽😁. That is going to be a great addition to the house. Great stuff!
Ultra sticky too! Sticks to everything! 🤣
@@GosforthHandyman Oh dear.... you'll be needing a Blue Peter Badge then! Well done. 😁👏🥳
How did this hold up ? Is there an updated video
I would love to see a video on filling fireplace holes. I need to fill one where a back boiler used to be. In a house I'm moving into
Can you hang anything heavy off the wall once completed? Just thinking of a large party wall say in a kitchen where you want to have cupboards.
I'd consider lining the walls with ply instead of plasterboard... possibly? 👍
Fantastic video as always! 👍👍 I’ve Been enjoying watching all of these through lockdowns and beyond and I’ve been picking up tips as I’m slowly renovating my own Victorian solid wall mid terraced house!
-One question I did have was what is the damp risk associated with having the (I’m guessing) highly non-breathable mass loaded vinyl in between? Doesn’t it stop the old wall from breathing?
Cheers! I don't think there's any damp risk - not that I'm aware of. Perhaps something to consider if it was an external non-cavity wall. 👍
Really good video and helpful info - thank you!
Very helpful video, thank you.
Sound quality at the end actually sounds noticeably different. That’s quality
Excellent video. Very nice nice job. Some great info.
if you want to hand something to the wall now, you presumably need to go through all the layers to get to the brick right? Or would you advise against piercing this wall if you can help it?
Thank you for such a great video. I am going to do the same method for the bedroom. What screws did you use to attach the second set of plasterboard?
Hi Andy. This is the 1st video that has given me confidence to attempt such a project. When you screw the plasterboard to the metal bars, what sort of screws do you need and how easy is to screw into the metal? Also, how do you cut the plasterboard to size. Thanks
Another great video Andy interesting stuff i've never seen soundproofing done before
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! 👍
If I needed someone to do this, who would I hire?
Great vid Andy, very educational thank you. This is not a criticism, i was wondering why you didn't use dry lining boxes for the sockets.
Cheers Paul! I personally think this would perform a bit better but I don't think there would be much in it. Limited space for the Tecsound in normal dryline boxes. 👍
I guess the dry lining boxes would also provide the benefit of being decoupled from the original wall. Though, doesn't look like it's an issue at all!
@@3anksy the metal box is decoupled - doesn't touch the new wall 👍
This stuff is insanely expensive imho (£400 for 5.x2??). You can get similar results far cheaper by buying generic parts and applying the same methodology (I prefer the stud method). Mass loaded vinyl is cheap and so is acoustic plasterboard. The clips could be any kind of clip and the aluminium conduit is also cheap (relatively). Not sure what you're paying for here apart from convenience of one stop shopping.
Shouldn't you leave an air gap between the plasterboard and the rockwool behind?
Is that the recommended method for installing the backbox??? I would have thought a dry lining box with insulation behind would have been better.
superb we really need this in our home but can never find an installer.
Amazing Vlog Andy and great workmanship, great explanation on method. Job well done buddy. stay safe buddy.
Cheers Neil - glad you enjoyed it! 👍
I have terrible problems with sound coming from my nextdoor neighbour.
I've insulated my walls the best I can with Rockwool insulation and a layer of plasterboard.
This has helped but the sound still seems to be travelling under the floorboards, as I can literally hear them talking TWO ROOMS AWAY!
The wall directly connected to them is insulated and OK and much better, but in another room on the other side of my living room I can still hear them!
Very, very IRRITATING!! I'm thinking I should of ripped the floor up years ago and stuffed Rockwool inbetween the joists! Do you think that would of helped?
Their SM20 system seems to provide equal if not better soundproofing to the Genie Clip system, with less work involved. Why would anyone use the Genie Clip?
Looks good .
I think I would have cut the floorboards back and plasterboarded into the cavity/top of joist
You can keep pushing for incremental improvements but I don't think that would make much difference. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman
Very true, it's hard to know when to stop.😁
I have done the stud wall (in metal), it works pretty well👍
Great video Andy, Thanks
Cheers Michael!
An excellent video with all the explanations needed. Keep up the good work and sharing of your knowledge.
I also enjoyed the music, what is it?
Really enjoyed
Any advice on sound proofing ceilings . I stay in a flat , and can hear the people up above speaking , nothing between the ceiling and there floors , just a 4 inch empty space , Thanks
Nice thorough work! I did all the internal walls & 3rd party wall with soundcoat & then dot dabbed to that. Wasnt going for ultra sound proofing, but the house was back to bare brick & we noticed with the last house that dot dab let's an awful lot of noise through. Seems to have worked well.
Great stuff. Normally it's the wall behind the dot & dab to blame, rather than the dot & dab itself. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Yes, it gives a nice uniform barrier underneath. 3rd party wall had a few holes that it covered nicely. I'm not plasterer but managed to put 30 bags of soundcoat on without having ever done it before. As the ceilings were down it meant I could pretty much cover from downstairs to upstairs with no gap.
Excellent work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
No worries! 👍
@@GosforthHandyman 👍
My nearest neighbor is a quarter of a mile away, but where you are, houses are inches apart. I'm sure not every builder thinks of sound transmission, and it must be a common problem. It will spare you a visit from the police if you choose to bring your drums in from the studio and perform a midnight concert. ;-).
Ha ha I'm not sure this could quite handle the volume of my drum kit... perhaps the electronic kit. 😁👍
Beautiful
Great video, great explanations and guidance on this stuff!
Thank you and no worries! 👍
Excellent work.
Cheers Andrew! 👍👍
great job!
Just recently found the channel.
Love the energy you put in.
Thank you so much.
Thank you Paul! 👍
Hi, any time frames on when you will be showing the independent wall system. downstairs? thanks
Personally I would’ve packed the socket forward so it was flush with the finished plasterboard. Then insulated behind the socket and finally used an actual acoustic back box.
Great video Andy. Have had this bookmarked until I needed to do my own project and now is that time. Just wondering if you applied the skirting as normal and if you knew whether there would still be sound bleeding through the internal wall to the adjoining wall..?
Why did you not use a dry lining pattress box for the socket cutting only the plasterboard and leave everything behind intact? Maybe with some of the vinyl foam on the back of the box?
Buy a detached
Nice! Thanks for this one!
No worries!
I was surprised to see the socket attached to the original wall - does it not transfer the vibrations? I’d have used a hollow wall box in the new wall on the assumption it was more isolated.
No - it's not touching the 'new' wall so there's little or no flanking transmission. Although in an ideal world if it was of concern just don't put a socket there since any hole in the wall is a weak point. 👍
I had a large shared wall insulated - very similar techniques and materials. The firm that did it used acoustic boxes that are like dry liner boxes, but with rubber around the entry holes, so there’s no connection from the surface to the wall behind.
Soundproofing is great and all but what if you can’t hear the enemy coming?
Been trying to get soundproofing done at my place for 4months now and every tradesman has pulled out or ghosted me -_- so frustrating
Do it yourself . Follow the video,these jobs are much easier than you think and slot of tradespeople out there are just people who have watched videos.
Can on hang TV or large mirror on this using plasterboard fixtures? Will screwing TV or mirror fixtures destroy the sound proofing effect?
Great work thanks for sharing
Cheers - no worries! 👍
I have no idea about sound proofing, so this is just a general enquiry and not a criticism. Would the electrical back boxes be better mounted to the furring channel (obviously mounted at correct height before boarding and then exposed after by cutting box into boards) and thus keeping them fully isolated? The 2 layers for sound board should give you the required 25mm and bring the box more level.
I was wondering that - or using drywall boxes so they don't bridge the gap
The backbox doesn't actually touch the new front wall (other than via the screws) so there should be very little sound transmission via flanking. So the only sound getting through would be airborne and I think you'd get similar levels using other methods. Don't think there'd be an audible difference. 👍
Great breakdown. Would it be the same principle for a concrete ceiling?
Did you add acoustic material to the fireplace, I found the fireplace was carrying most of the sound.
Excellent video, I intend doing this exact job thanks - Is it dot and dab for second plaster board to fix it to the vinyl?
Great job, brilliant! I have the exact same problem in my 1920's house with alcoves that allow the sound through, really helpful video, thanks. Will you be filming the next alcove project with the stud wall ?
I did this on my lounge party wall both sides of the fireplace but i built a timber frame and put acoustic roll between it and then acoustic plasterboard on top and plastered over it.
Another problem area is above my lounge as there is a flying freehold so neighbours bedroom above my lounge and can hear the noise from next door from that room and the walls around that room which adjoins my two bedrooms!
Flying freeholds are a fire risk if you ask me but cant do anything about it as next door is a council property with a family of four. The noise is unbearable and i have no escape. Ive explained to them about the noise levels coming through on my side. Their reply “ok good luck with the council” none of them work all on benefits and seem to make more noise now than before. Its only me here so they don’t hear me. As a private owner i doubt the council will help me?
only soundproof or earplugs will help you
Great Job! Well Done! it would be great to find similar systems in the US and Canada.
Great Job
Cheers! 👍
how would you go about insulating external solid walls? you seem like u would a good way to do it.
Considering that two layers of heavy plasterboard and a layer of very heavy tecsound are all just hanging on lightweight channel and wall screws, could you tile on top of it ?
Thank you for posting very helpful videos. What soundproofing did you use in the void left in the fireplace?
Amazing demonstration 👍🏾 I have the problems with party wall, it drives me crazy. If you don't mind roughly how much was the total cost of the bedrooms for sound proofing in materials? And which one is a better system for soundproofing upstairs or downstairs in your opinion? Cheers
You could use clip on plaster board back box
Yup! Certainly an option.
This is good because it's clearly a job I won't have time to do..
hmm would the socket not have been better as a drylining box attached to the plasterboard rather than the metal box on the masonry? seems latter would bridge more sound
The metal box doesn't touch the plasterboard so no bridging in either case. 👍