I didn't notice until my second playthrough that the fight with Black is the point in the game where Robin's idle animation changes. She stops bouncing and just seems to be staring blankly ahead. I knew it changed at some point and kept looking for it and. Man. She goes through so much before this point but it's taking Black's life in such a brutal way, seeing how she's suffering, that finally does it.
Black is an example of a villain who isn't really a villain. On the surface, she's a crazy killer who will stop at nothing to ensure your defeat. In reality, she far more than that. She has constant major headaches and has heavy arms. She's lived for over 187 years, and just like with Fitzroy, her mind is deteriorating because it can't keep up. By the time you fight her on the rocket platform, she's lost everything. Her entire life was stolen when Chrome started the uprising, the only person she cared about and potentially loved, Grey, was killed by Elro, all because he was paranoid. Every chance at revenge has been ruined by her incompetent allies. The second fight truly shows how far her sanity has fell. The only reason she fights so hard for the rocket is because that is her last mission, and she doesn't want all those years of suffering to be for nothing.
It kind of reminds me of Vegeta. Wasn't really all that evil, he was turned into something that Lord Frieza wanted him to be, he never had a chance to be anything else..... He lived his life being tortured day and night by the same man who destroyed his Planet his father everyone.
@@Jachra 1) Grey had nothing to do with the death of Elro's father. 2) That doesn't excuse him killing Grey in the first place. "Two wrongs don't make a right", remember?
Literally that "thing" was transformed through the seeds of Mina, besides, what I do not know, is because the blue things followed the mutual ... (it would be a destiny ...?) I do not know ...
Jear 99 those purple things are interesting and since there her weak points makes me believe there the purple sand dust that was probably left on her clothing
"Badeline" debuts on the Ancient Keep level. She's a "monster" version of Madeline that surges through a shattered mirror. She claims to be Madeline's "logical" half and literally chases her like a wretched monster after they have a rather long chat, multiplying herself a number of times on the go, and mimicking Madeline's every move. Can't say any more about her because for me, the game froze on the Hotel level and I got too annoyed with it to go on.
I love that the Ivory Beast's final form is the only one of the two with purple arms. All of that? That was a shell of trees, detritus and Blue Eyes. The final form is what's left of her actual body beneath it all. Veins of ivory, twisted metal, and a convulsing migraine-laden brain.
They should have done like an alternate thing. The attack that Royal took was the psychic shock attack that forces Robin to directly face her demons. Have there be a way to enter Royal's head and help him confront his own demons. Of course there will still be the time crunch. But if you succeed, Royal decides to take a stand. To renounce his faith and not let others decide his worth. When you get to the busted door, then you'd be able to use the swap gun on him so he could keep the door open. Although odds are his healing factor probably formed a pod of solid Ivory around him and he probably plummeted somewhere on the planet that you can't reach.
I was fully convinced this was the final boss. And after all the dramatic shit that happened right before and right after the rocket launch, I was expecting an ending that was far darker.
It was a dark ending though. To think that the almighty god was nothing more than an alien mechanic..... All the people who died through the story died for nothing
@@ningensan8198 to this day I felt it was too abrupt of an ending, the conclusion did not feel at all like a conclusion neither on the happy side or on the dark side, it can be argued that that's the charm of it but man is it uncomfortable 😭like what do you MEAN robin just goes back home and flops onto her bed 💀
@@No.1-Yellow-Wood-Sorrel-Fan yeah, black IS a she, but that guy called black a he but i cant guilt them, black's sprites looks like the sprites of a boy
One of the few video game bosses that, not only bests it's game's Final Boss in terms of narrative tragedy and emotional weight, But one of the few that I have to turn my emotions off to mid-action. Not for any bad reason, either. Black is a well built tragic character, no less a tragic villain. You've seen her at her emotional best...which isn't high to begin with. And slowly, as we go on, we see her at her worst, and every reason why. All of that, and what became of her...and you can't think of that. In Robins shoes right now, the world is at stake. No matter what you think of Black, fickle or pitiful, evil or misguided, you _have_ to win. You won't just lose if you die, the world's last chance for living is lost. That's how survival instinct has to kick in at it's strongest, despite it all.
The Ivory Beast. Born of the most single-minded, brutally tenacious amalgam of pain and rage. Something only the fires ignited in the sky when the rocket leaves the atmosphere of that cursed, doomed world can kill. She is the definition of that world's curse, child of it's corruption and insanity. Masterpiece. Truly, a horrifying masterpiece. And every single time I play this game, I always, always do the whole rocket segment (stage and fights against Black) on a single run, only stopping after having returned from Midway. Because it is such a powerful moment in the game, the culmination of all their hopes... and the cruel way they are smashed in Midway (with the intro part of this haunting piece as background). There is such contrast between this fight and what comes next that you can truly feel the futility of the Ivory People, and the sad fate they carry.
Agent black had the most fun boss fights in the game, also anyone notice the last form before she dies still has the arms she had put on her after being turned into the agent just way bigger.
I think the main difference is that the starworm is just made of tons of ivory, while agent black (I’m going on the basis ivory beast is still agent black technically) IS ivory, with the seeds and eyes reacting to not only her body, but the rocket fuel as well, to create some unique abomination.
Wait a minute, Black...: -Is an antagonist -Has a tragic Story -Is very violent -Want revanche -Lost someone important -Blame the protagonist for that -Confront the protagonist three times -Remove an arm from its person -End by turning into a gruesome abomination bossfight Agent Black is Buzzo from LISA
Actually, Black had nothing against Robin until White got killed with the seeds, and even then, in that moment, she just wants to get away. She wants revenge against Elro for murdering Grey. That's all she's wanted this entire game. Robin however is responsible for destroying whatever sanity remains by killing white, her only remaining friend, constantly showing up to destroy or interfere with whatever she's doing at that very moment, being allowed to escape death numerous times because the people around her are incompetent, and of course, killing Mother and allowing Chrome to throw a Coup, destroying even the one place she could call home. Buzzo blamed Brad for what happened to Lisa and took it out on anyone who even had a slight relation to Brad. Black witnessed Elro murder Grey in front of her, and took her anger out on herself, to the very end. If she was like Buzzo, the game would've ended during the Isi chapter.
@@emil828 Everyone is talking about agent black because of this ost, but no one is talking about how the first part plays in the level where royal dies
@@ChadicusThunderCock Ahhhhh, hahaha, I understood, sorry, is that the first part of the scene is very unfortunate, and then, apparently, the video itself, nobody thought until after reacting hehe ... PD: I had thought to make a video apart from the solo music of Royal on the rocket. PD2: The first music that is heard, in fact, was NOT Royal's first, BLACK'S ACTUALITY WAS REAL, remember that you fought for human phase BEFORE transforming into Ivory Beast
@@emil828 I know, I know, I just thought it'd be nice to give credit to poor Royal. He may have been an asshole, yes, but he ended up realizing. Too bad it was a tad late.
Honestly,for those who think the purple cyborge arms are part of her,yes buuuut, no she wears them becuse that cutseen with the transfuser, the woman inside was black,this is further explained pre version of the fight before mother(and whatever that rock,cat,lion,thing is called) Cus the arms look the same as the ones given to her by a chemico contra sientist(also dont tell one of the isi scientists that we broke the machine he was talkin bout)🤫🤫🤫 [edit]: its honestly chilling to see her final words before phase 2 is "i will have my life back"
As funny as the concept of the Birdman is, I really feel like this entire final encounter with Black is the true final boss of the game. It has a lot more impact, and if they decided to end things with a scene on the moon after this fight, I would've been okay with that. The actual ending was.. weird, and felt kinda forced, I dunno lol. They established the worm and had to do _something_ with it, and I'm not entirely sure I agree with what they went with, but eh. Anyway, Black is awesome and easily my favorite character in the game. Seeing her icon in the save menu, and the fact she's important enough to get included on the title screen, I was hoping she'd become a party member, and it was heartbreaking watching her decline into madness up to, and through, the final fight with her. At least she goes out with the best song in the game, though. Goddamn.
I like the ending a lot, because it's a perfect loop. You fight the final boss in the starting area, the character is bird-themed just like Robin, and they're both mechanics. But more than that, it reinforces the main theme of the whole game. Throughout Iconoclasts, you've encountered cults, faiths, beliefs, ways of worship, creeds and more. All of them conflicting with each other, but also within the group. Every chief leader of these groups was celebrated as all-knowing or all-knowing, especially Mother. Yet she dies frightened and afraid, overtaken by Chrome whose misguided beliefs convince him that he's the Chosen one. He too dies with his beliefs shattered. Royal attempts to communicate face to face with the deity they've worshiped, only for it to backfire. After all of that, you find out that this God, deity, figure, is merely another creature, more similar to you than anyone else. It's absurd and somewhat anti-climactic. What does it mean? There aren't any straight answers, but I feel like it's a commentary on how the desperate need for answers to life causes us to worship people who are no more human than we are, and the consequences of that cult behaviour.
Well the seeds react differently to all sources of Ivory, as stated by Mina. However, when it comes to the people killed by it, it came down to their strength. White obviously had no idea what was happening, and likely brushed it off as nothing more than an inconvenient and useless attack. He wasn't fighting the seeds. Mother had much more Ivory in her and likely knew about White's death, so she knew what the seeds could do. However, she is much stronger than White, and was able to resist the seeds, as it took 4 to kill her, as opposed to the 3 for White. As for Black, her will to keep fighting was so strong, and she refused to stop attacking. She refused death so much that the seeds couldn't stop her until she drank herself weak from all the Ivory fuel. Then the blue eyes got to her, and the rest is history.
Now that video game movies are on the rise, and I know this one's a long shot, but an Iconoclasts movie based on the events in the game would be amazing! 👀
The first phase i was like "No, I have to kill her? But i liked her shes cool awwww" then the second phase starts and im like "WHAT THE HELL OK SAD OVER TIME TO DIE"
I have never played this game but holy shit man! This game is giving me feels for no reason, it makes me feel... something... I don't exactly understand this feeling, but I really enjoy it. Both that and this theme.
There is something to be said about knowing such pivotal moments in a game before playing it. I will say that i do not envy you. The knowledge of this scene and music before actually encountering it ruins alot of what makes it so special.
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ROYAL. *_GODDAMNIT DONT MAKE ME SACRIFICE YOU._* For real though. That moment in particular. Made me want to cry. It was the only moment that way too
La musica, la batalla, las cosas que Black dice, el hecho de que justo contra este boss tu personaje no se coloque en pose de batalla, verla arrastrarse y vomitando cuando esta apunto de morir, ver como desvaría nombrando a Gris y aun seguir luchando, en serio te transmiten la pena que da matarla. Verla aferrarse al cohete incluso cuando ya ha muerto y este a despegado. Sublime antagonista.
Lo se... pero, el hecho de que esta esas imagenes, es, pues, para darle un toque al ritmo de la musica... (no se si me pueda comprenderme...), al principio se escucha una batalla con musica de pena (o algo por el estilo) y despues viene la verdaera batalla...
Um detalhe, note que Royal atualmente é PARCIALMENTE culpado pela morte da Black. Ela está literalmente se agarrando à última ordem que recebeu, que seria defender o foguete. Evoca memórias de Gray, conta toda a história dela de uma vez, ele atualmente consegue tocar no âmago dela ao chamá-la pelo nome e argumentar que como a missão dela é PROTEGER a Terra, ela estaria fazendo isso por deixá-los passar... E estraga tudo logo em seguida ao dizer "Isso é maior do que você, agente". Ela literalmente tem um surto ali, e é aí que a batalha realmente começa. ...Chega a ser irônico que "Moonlight" seja o tema tanto do confronto com Black, quanto da morte do Royal. A parte mais... Difícil do confronto, é quando Black está literalmente se arrastando pelo cenário, e literalmente resmungando sobre tudo o que houve. Você praticamente ouve a mente dela se quebrando, gradativamente - Uma sensação só ampliada pelo próprio monstro de Ivory, com seus gritos agonizantes. Desculpe, eu não consegui traduzir em espanhol...
Não se preocupe com a linguagem xD, mas é verdade, sinto que o Black não era tão ruim quanto "pensamos", mas foram os "outros" que conseguem o caminho, no caso de Royal, não entendi a situação de Black Eu estava lá e Robin, eu acredito em tudo, quando depois, tudo foi uma perda de tempo, mas para evitar que Morin morresse, foi outro rolo (?)
Black atualmente é uma daquelas personagens que começa como rival e pelo jogo todo, tudo o que nós acabamos querendo é que ela acabe do nosso lado. No caso da Samba, eu tenho uma teoria. Black "sequestra" a Samba pra torre de Shockwood. No caso, pensa comigo: Ela perdeu o White - Que mesmo sendo um falastrão que só fazia gritar e agravar as dores de cabeça dela, era seu "assistente" particular. Se ela quisesse mesmo fazer algum mal pra Samba, faria na hora - Como ela fez pro Royal no fim do stage do One Concern, naquela sala roxa. Ela surra ele pra "ensiná-lo" como é ser humano e sentir medo. A impressão é de que Black tem um lado doce, mas as obrigações dela com relação ao One Concern, e os engravatados, que ela menciona algumas vezes, agravam e muito o estado de nervos dela. Tal como Ash comenta ter problemas da cintura pra baixo(de forma que os Isi o baniram, pois qualquer parente dele teria o mesmo problema), Black reclama recorrentemente de uma dor de cabeça lancinante. Que depois de tudo ela não consegue dizer se é pelo sangue dando conflito com Ivory, ou por ter tanta gente pressionando ela. No caso, tomemos como exemplo o diálogo entre Black, o soldado da Bastilha que surge pra falar com ela, e logo em seguida com Samba. Samba atualmente tá só amarrada na cadeira, mas bem. Black se irrita porque o soldado atualmente tá querendo usar o ticket da Gray pra favorecer a Turkosa, que fugiu do bar e queria ir pra City One. E devido ao incidente entre Gray, Elro e duas seringas ejetoras de Ivory, ela não quer nem ouvir falar de Gray porque lembra do incidente todo. Black usa sarcasmo, ironia e acidez pra esconder que não tá nada confortável com a vida dela, e é possível que Samba estivesse só mantendo companhia pra ela por algum tempo. O mais engraçado é como de uma hora pra outra, mesmo pra ela, a invasão vem da mesma forma que ela invadiu a casa do Elro. De surpresa, ela vê o assassino da/do melhor amigo(a) dela, a irmã dele, uma pirata aleatória, o cara que ela tem uma crush mista com um ódio infinito... E por último aquele espadachim que rouba a kill fácil dela. xD Melhor reunião de todas. Você vê ela literalmente reagir como uma garotinha a aquilo tudo. "EU ODEIO VOCÊS TODOS!".
Note: This game has an open ending... Why? We dont know what are the blue cells, we dont know what the HIS race was, we dont know what the Vegetal life did and we dont know what HER SPORES do grow to... If a sequel comes, it will have to do with what those spores grow in
No, de hecho no le puso voces por que sabia que se perderia el estilo de juego "old" vs graficos actuales 2018..asi como lo hizo, fue una obra de arte..no tiene que implementarle nada mas. Tal vez un jefe final que hubiera valido la pena y no el pajarraco..pero bueno.
Simplemente no tengo palabras para Black, una persona que sufre mucho dolor, una persona que solo vivió para lo que fue echa, una persona que tubo a alguien que la quería alguien que dejó entrar en su corazón y le fue arrebatada, no le importaba su misión ni su fe solo a grey y al final solo le quedaba su misión, pocos juegos me dan esa duda de que si lo que haces es correcto obvio y solo para que al final fuera en vano, el starworm llegaría a al tierra de todas formas, me duele el corazón, Black se convirtió en mi segundo personaje de videojuegos favorito
Lo mismo diria yo pero... por otro lado, no es asi, quiero decir, Black tuvo mas que eso, de hecho, (si no mal recuerdo), Royal ya sabia su VERDADERO NOMBRE (con esto, aclaro que ella en su pasado, tuvo los momento peores en su vida) (creo), Black a cargado una miseria y contagio de misiones para que sea parte de su grupo, todo gracias a los Chemico Contra (creo que se llama asi) en la parte donde dice Royal donde le explica la situacion del porque quiere el cohete, pero Royal entro directo y le comento todo a Robin enfrente de ella, aparte, recuerdas en una escena como una cabina DEBAJO DE Darland Ascent, hay como una cabina morada, esa cabina segun decia Royal muchas cosas que se uso en el transcurso... (en este punto no me acuerdo que es lo que dijo Royal), solo se una cosa, que consiste en que mientras hablaba cerca de la cabina morada a Robin, nos muestra un ejemplo mientras le explicaba, y parecia ser Black (esa es una teoria a mi punto de vista) y se lo explica a Robin sin darse cuenta... Black en si, era de cabello castaño con cafe (o algo asi), y no se si era buena ANTES de ser "elegida" para que sea completo y divina, pero como el ejemplo despues prosiguio... entonces Black tuvo como resultado en estado de negacion, pero sulta que El, el "todopoderoso", le dio tambien de garantizar que sea masa bien como guerreros o guardianes de marfil, lo que no entiendo, es porque le quitaron los brazos... tal vez porque El y la gente experimentada les ofrecio a esas personas con cabello negro que les diera "poderes" (como los brazos morados de Black, los pies/zapatos de Chrome, entre otros personajes que tengan con cosas Moradas), a partir de este punto, pienso que TAMBIEN pueden ser "victimas" u ofrecidos para estar con lo que es de El.... PD: Royal (Delfin) y Robin (Alondra), esta dispersado ante diferente traducción... PD2: En la cabina ya recorde, se le llamaba como "Trancesor" PD3: El nombre verdadero nombre de Black es "Madelyn"
quisiera saber el porque de su tanformacion , tiene similitud con el starworm , yo digo que es por que como esas cosas azules ( no me acuerdo de su nombre )infectan cualquier cosa exepto humanos y a agentes ,es por que se estaba convirtiendo en arbol ? o hay algo mas que me este perdiendo ?
La cosa azul infecta cualquier cosa viva o muerta, mas la sangre de Ivory de Black + las semillas ancestrales de Mina y la determinacion de Black por proteger su cohete (podemos ver en su ultima transformacion que aún estaba conciente de si) fueron el detonante para transformarla en una amalgama de mutacion.
La mutacion fue mas que nada por las semillas que eliminan el ivory pero ella consumio ivory hasta empezar a vomitarlo...el ivory se metia al cuerpo por medio de la maquina especial...pero ella lo tragaba directamente con tal de obtener mas poder para vencerte pero no pudo..al final muta en eso..por eso tiene arboles y todo, se esta volviendo una con la tierra.
Me refiero a que las semillas absorven todo el ivory = marfil. Y convierte el ivory en energia para hacer un arbol. Por eso a todos los agentes que le pusieron semillas se convirtieron en arboles al fallecer. Ella consumio tanto ivory que hasta vomitaba, incluso tuvo muchas semillas en su interior y se convirtio en una montaña de arboles horrendo
![Iconoclasts - Agent Black/Ivory Beast [No Hit]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/p6n4p8SO9qQ/mqdefault.jpg)
I didn't notice until my second playthrough that the fight with Black is the point in the game where Robin's idle animation changes. She stops bouncing and just seems to be staring blankly ahead. I knew it changed at some point and kept looking for it and. Man. She goes through so much before this point but it's taking Black's life in such a brutal way, seeing how she's suffering, that finally does it.
Black is an example of a villain who isn't really a villain. On the surface, she's a crazy killer who will stop at nothing to ensure your defeat. In reality, she far more than that. She has constant major headaches and has heavy arms. She's lived for over 187 years, and just like with Fitzroy, her mind is deteriorating because it can't keep up. By the time you fight her on the rocket platform, she's lost everything. Her entire life was stolen when Chrome started the uprising, the only person she cared about and potentially loved, Grey, was killed by Elro, all because he was paranoid. Every chance at revenge has been ruined by her incompetent allies. The second fight truly shows how far her sanity has fell. The only reason she fights so hard for the rocket is because that is her last mission, and she doesn't want all those years of suffering to be for nothing.
It kind of reminds me of Vegeta. Wasn't really all that evil, he was turned into something that Lord Frieza wanted him to be, he never had a chance to be anything else..... He lived his life being tortured day and night by the same man who destroyed his Planet his father everyone.
Fuck Elro.
Truth.
😔.
@@Jachra
1) Grey had nothing to do with the death of Elro's father.
2) That doesn't excuse him killing Grey in the first place. "Two wrongs don't make a right", remember?
@@bgaming2297 ok but it’s kind of like revenge, but i agree Grey should not have been the target
To answer the question "Why does she turn into that thing?"
Basically:
-Mina's Seeds
-Those blue controllers
-Too angry to die
Literally that "thing" was transformed through the seeds of Mina, besides, what I do not know, is because the blue things followed the mutual ... (it would be a destiny ...?) I do not know ...
And Headaches.
Agent Black: Literally too angry to die.
Jear 99 those purple things are interesting and since there her weak points makes me believe there the purple sand dust that was probably left on her clothing
Primeape: not bad kid
Not gonna lie. Agent Black is by far one of my favorite tragic heroes in gaming in recent memory.
I have the same opinion
I also know the game "Celeste", just that I have not played it hehe ...
"Badeline" debuts on the Ancient Keep level. She's a "monster" version of Madeline that surges through a shattered mirror. She claims to be Madeline's "logical" half and literally chases her like a wretched monster after they have a rather long chat, multiplying herself a number of times on the go, and mimicking Madeline's every move.
Can't say any more about her because for me, the game froze on the Hotel level and I got too annoyed with it to go on.
I like jet black and moonlight music because they both sound beautiful
One is to entertain, and another to face ... (it's a compliment)
I love that the Ivory Beast's final form is the only one of the two with purple arms.
All of that? That was a shell of trees, detritus and Blue Eyes.
The final form is what's left of her actual body beneath it all. Veins of ivory, twisted metal, and a convulsing migraine-laden brain.
I JUST REALIZED THE FIRST PART OF THE SONG PLAYS IN THE SCENE WHERE YOU LEAVE ROYAL FOR DEAD DAMMIT NOW IM DEPRESSED AGAIN
Actually, no, remember while you played the game, in the fight against BLACK (in full rocket), was that background music BEFORE that of Royal ...
Is both bois
They should have done like an alternate thing.
The attack that Royal took was the psychic shock attack that forces Robin to directly face her demons. Have there be a way to enter Royal's head and help him confront his own demons. Of course there will still be the time crunch.
But if you succeed, Royal decides to take a stand. To renounce his faith and not let others decide his worth. When you get to the busted door, then you'd be able to use the swap gun on him so he could keep the door open.
Although odds are his healing factor probably formed a pod of solid Ivory around him and he probably plummeted somewhere on the planet that you can't reach.
I was fully convinced this was the final boss. And after all the dramatic shit that happened right before and right after the rocket launch, I was expecting an ending that was far darker.
It was a dark ending though. To think that the almighty god was nothing more than an alien mechanic..... All the people who died through the story died for nothing
tbh as a NIntendo Fan.. Reading into the lore and watching the boss fights, this gave me some real "Metroid" vibes, and im not fully sure why.
@@ningensan8198 to this day I felt it was too abrupt of an ending, the conclusion did not feel at all like a conclusion neither on the happy side or on the dark side, it can be argued that that's the charm of it but man is it uncomfortable 😭like what do you MEAN robin just goes back home and flops onto her bed 💀
@@TJ_Sind2000I mean, after all she went through I would go to sleep a bit too
@@TJ_Sind2000 She is tired bro. She is literally just simple mechanic.
This game is so incredible...
This music is so beautiful...
This battle...
The history of this game...
Black...
Royal...
Why I'm crying?
Royal died?
(Spoilers)I think on the moon,idk
I can’t be the only one who felt like straight up garbage when black dies?
I feel very sorry for the death of Black (suppose that -before he became known as Black- it was not like that before as we say ...).
Jear 99 wait wasn’t black a she? I swear I remember hearing her being referred to as so in the game
@@No.1-Yellow-Wood-Sorrel-Fan yeah, black IS a she, but that guy called black a he
but i cant guilt them, black's sprites looks like the sprites of a boy
Me too. What added additional weight was that it's the moment when pacifism was over.
@@Gnidel Not necessarily. If you just dodge during the final stage where she's limping towards you, Royal finishes her off instead of you.
This is one of the best penultimate battles in video game history
One of the few video game bosses that, not only bests it's game's Final Boss in terms of narrative tragedy and emotional weight,
But one of the few that I have to turn my emotions off to mid-action. Not for any bad reason, either.
Black is a well built tragic character, no less a tragic villain. You've seen her at her emotional best...which isn't high to begin with. And slowly, as we go on, we see her at her worst, and every reason why.
All of that, and what became of her...and you can't think of that.
In Robins shoes right now, the world is at stake. No matter what you think of Black, fickle or pitiful, evil or misguided, you _have_ to win. You won't just lose if you die, the world's last chance for living is lost.
That's how survival instinct has to kick in at it's strongest, despite it all.
The Ivory Beast. Born of the most single-minded, brutally tenacious amalgam of pain and rage. Something only the fires ignited in the sky when the rocket leaves the atmosphere of that cursed, doomed world can kill.
She is the definition of that world's curse, child of it's corruption and insanity.
Masterpiece. Truly, a horrifying masterpiece. And every single time I play this game, I always, always do the whole rocket segment (stage and fights against Black) on a single run, only stopping after having returned from Midway. Because it is such a powerful moment in the game, the culmination of all their hopes... and the cruel way they are smashed in Midway (with the intro part of this haunting piece as background). There is such contrast between this fight and what comes next that you can truly feel the futility of the Ivory People, and the sad fate they carry.
Agent black had the most fun boss fights in the game, also anyone notice the last form before she dies still has the arms she had put on her after being turned into the agent just way bigger.
The second part doesn't sound the same without demonic screams of pain.
True
Playing this the first time round gave me fuckin' shivers.
Playing this on Challenge Mode had me shaking in a whole different way.
Agreed. Who thought not having a checkpoint between Black and Ivory Beast was a good idea.
@@thelemonlimebronyofficial8070 At least the Agent Black fight isn't really a fight after like 5 seconds, still is a bit costly on time though
@@cirnocard5710 the agent black fight is ultra tedious and hard to get used to
the ivory monster fight is horrid and can go fuck itself,
can't stop thinking about how the starworm also looks like another ivory beast
I think the main difference is that the starworm is just made of tons of ivory, while agent black (I’m going on the basis ivory beast is still agent black technically) IS ivory, with the seeds and eyes reacting to not only her body, but the rocket fuel as well, to create some unique abomination.
No joke during this entire fight I was crying my eyes out
Mother brain but it's not the baby Metroid's death that'll make you cry.
Honestly, you just remembered me; _;
How dare you.
_...HEAD..._
_...ACHE..._
*explodes*
Fun fact: This is literally Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata.
Also, sounds like Ripple Star Catacombs from Kirby 64 at 3:15.
it's a banger either way
Oh of course, it makes sense.
It's literally not. But it's similar.
It's _based_ on it, but harmonically-altered in a way that makes it sound more modern.
Wait a minute, Black...:
-Is an antagonist
-Has a tragic Story
-Is very violent
-Want revanche
-Lost someone important
-Blame the protagonist for that
-Confront the protagonist three times
-Remove an arm from its person
-End by turning into a gruesome abomination bossfight
Agent Black is Buzzo from LISA
Actually, Black had nothing against Robin until White got killed with the seeds, and even then, in that moment, she just wants to get away. She wants revenge against Elro for murdering Grey. That's all she's wanted this entire game. Robin however is responsible for destroying whatever sanity remains by killing white, her only remaining friend, constantly showing up to destroy or interfere with whatever she's doing at that very moment, being allowed to escape death numerous times because the people around her are incompetent, and of course, killing Mother and allowing Chrome to throw a Coup, destroying even the one place she could call home.
Buzzo blamed Brad for what happened to Lisa and took it out on anyone who even had a slight relation to Brad. Black witnessed Elro murder Grey in front of her, and took her anger out on herself, to the very end. If she was like Buzzo, the game would've ended during the Isi chapter.
One of the best written characters in games I've seen so far. Definitely wasn't expecting it from this game but it blew me away!
I like how dramatic this song is, it fits perfectly to the battle
Humans were never meant to live forever.
I’ve never played this game, but I’m 20% sure that this is her rocket.
It made me more sad bc I didn’t realize that white and blue monster was Black until she said “.....Headache” ;(
I always thought it was pretty obvious 🤷🏻♀️
If i could give Madelyn a hug and take her headaches away from her 😢
Really keeping my fingers crossed for Iconoclasts 2. There are a lot of unexplained mysteries that demands an answer.
Royal: we have to kill her
Me: no we don't, please, she's to cool, I like black can I keep her please don't make me do it
Royal: you have to leave me to die
Me: no, I don't, please, you're cool too, you just got too much dumped on you please don't make me do it
I can't count how many times I've played this game just to hear the soundtrack to this scene
Is nobody going to mention Royal's death, while the first part plays?
I do not understand, explain yourself...
@@emil828
Everyone is talking about agent black because of this ost, but no one is talking about how the first part plays in the level where royal dies
@@ChadicusThunderCock Ahhhhh, hahaha, I understood, sorry, is that the first part of the scene is very unfortunate, and then, apparently, the video itself, nobody thought until after reacting hehe ...
PD: I had thought to make a video apart from the solo music of Royal on the rocket.
PD2: The first music that is heard, in fact, was NOT Royal's first, BLACK'S ACTUALITY WAS REAL, remember that you fought for human phase BEFORE transforming into Ivory Beast
@@emil828
I know, I know, I just thought it'd be nice to give credit to poor Royal. He may have been an asshole, yes, but he ended up realizing. Too bad it was a tad late.
Royal died!!!???
Honestly,for those who think the purple cyborge arms are part of her,yes buuuut, no she wears them becuse that cutseen with the transfuser, the woman inside was black,this is further explained pre version of the fight before mother(and whatever that rock,cat,lion,thing is called)
Cus the arms look the same as the ones given to her by a chemico contra sientist(also dont tell one of the isi scientists that we broke the machine he was talkin bout)🤫🤫🤫
[edit]: its honestly chilling to see her final words before phase 2 is "i will have my life back"
As funny as the concept of the Birdman is, I really feel like this entire final encounter with Black is the true final boss of the game. It has a lot more impact, and if they decided to end things with a scene on the moon after this fight, I would've been okay with that. The actual ending was.. weird, and felt kinda forced, I dunno lol. They established the worm and had to do _something_ with it, and I'm not entirely sure I agree with what they went with, but eh.
Anyway, Black is awesome and easily my favorite character in the game. Seeing her icon in the save menu, and the fact she's important enough to get included on the title screen, I was hoping she'd become a party member, and it was heartbreaking watching her decline into madness up to, and through, the final fight with her. At least she goes out with the best song in the game, though. Goddamn.
I like the ending a lot, because it's a perfect loop. You fight the final boss in the starting area, the character is bird-themed just like Robin, and they're both mechanics.
But more than that, it reinforces the main theme of the whole game. Throughout Iconoclasts, you've encountered cults, faiths, beliefs, ways of worship, creeds and more. All of them conflicting with each other, but also within the group. Every chief leader of these groups was celebrated as all-knowing or all-knowing, especially Mother. Yet she dies frightened and afraid, overtaken by Chrome whose misguided beliefs convince him that he's the Chosen one. He too dies with his beliefs shattered. Royal attempts to communicate face to face with the deity they've worshiped, only for it to backfire.
After all of that, you find out that this God, deity, figure, is merely another creature, more similar to you than anyone else. It's absurd and somewhat anti-climactic. What does it mean? There aren't any straight answers, but I feel like it's a commentary on how the desperate need for answers to life causes us to worship people who are no more human than we are, and the consequences of that cult behaviour.
"What in the world is that?!
Stop it, or it will ruin the rocket!!"
Before this ost: haha got you black now sit down-
Moonlight starts to play: -something's not right, I can feel it
It's surprising how much the seeds have changed during the game.
Well the seeds react differently to all sources of Ivory, as stated by Mina. However, when it comes to the people killed by it, it came down to their strength. White obviously had no idea what was happening, and likely brushed it off as nothing more than an inconvenient and useless attack. He wasn't fighting the seeds. Mother had much more Ivory in her and likely knew about White's death, so she knew what the seeds could do. However, she is much stronger than White, and was able to resist the seeds, as it took 4 to kill her, as opposed to the 3 for White. As for Black, her will to keep fighting was so strong, and she refused to stop attacking. She refused death so much that the seeds couldn't stop her until she drank herself weak from all the Ivory fuel. Then the blue eyes got to her, and the rest is history.
@@thelemonlimebronyofficial8070 Oh wait Mina was inserting seeds into mother? For some reason I thought she was just punching her...
#mina is a jerk
I love this song. After having beaten the game, I've wanted to immediately find this song. It's so good!
Now that video game movies are on the rise, and I know this one's a long shot, but an Iconoclasts movie based on the events in the game would be amazing! 👀
The first phase i was like "No, I have to kill her? But i liked her shes cool awwww" then the second phase starts and im like "WHAT THE HELL OK SAD OVER TIME TO DIE"
Now she's dead and you're sad (?)
Second phase: ends
Third phase: I’m not ded
third phase is "BUT WAIT, THERES MORE!!!"
best song in the game, i absolutely love it
1:38 Real Battle is Start
Nah. It was just an emotional battle before that
I can't be the only one who thinks that Black's ivory beast form is a blatant Akira reference
I have never played this game but holy shit man! This game is giving me feels for no reason, it makes me feel... something... I don't exactly understand this feeling, but I really enjoy it. Both that and this theme.
There is something to be said about knowing such pivotal moments in a game before playing it.
I will say that i do not envy you. The knowledge of this scene and music before actually encountering it ruins alot of what makes it so special.
This song sounds like it would it would b in Terraria calamity
MY ROCKET
演出が良すぎんよ〜
Can we get a big black F gamers
Only 5 villans made me cry and black is one of them
I love how they used Moonlight Sonata in this. Great use of it. ^^
Rip black "not the -bees- seeds"
Okay, even without being able to listen to it here, I take it this is the sad music that plays during the final fight against Black that I wanted.
That was one epic boss fight, goddammit
This bossfight was... Wild.
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ROYAL.
*_GODDAMNIT DONT MAKE ME SACRIFICE YOU._*
For real though. That moment in particular. Made me want to cry. It was the only moment that way too
If only Robin could get inside Royal's head and help him face his demons.
BIG TREE MONSTER
a little note i like is that the "second phase" where shes climbing the rocket has purple arms
Best OST in the game, hands down!
This and 'Greater Good'. Aka that Timbaland beat.
这段音乐 太有感觉了
Really reminds me of Elegia from New Order. Not a bad thing, love both of them.
La musica, la batalla, las cosas que Black dice, el hecho de que justo contra este boss tu personaje no se coloque en pose de batalla, verla arrastrarse y vomitando cuando esta apunto de morir, ver como desvaría nombrando a Gris y aun seguir luchando, en serio te transmiten la pena que da matarla. Verla aferrarse al cohete incluso cuando ya ha muerto y este a despegado. Sublime antagonista.
Lo se... pero, el hecho de que esta esas imagenes, es, pues, para darle un toque al ritmo de la musica... (no se si me pueda comprenderme...), al principio se escucha una batalla con musica de pena (o algo por el estilo) y despues viene la verdaera batalla...
Um detalhe, note que Royal atualmente é PARCIALMENTE culpado pela morte da Black. Ela está literalmente se agarrando à última ordem que recebeu, que seria defender o foguete. Evoca memórias de Gray, conta toda a história dela de uma vez, ele atualmente consegue tocar no âmago dela ao chamá-la pelo nome e argumentar que como a missão dela é PROTEGER a Terra, ela estaria fazendo isso por deixá-los passar... E estraga tudo logo em seguida ao dizer "Isso é maior do que você, agente". Ela literalmente tem um surto ali, e é aí que a batalha realmente começa. ...Chega a ser irônico que "Moonlight" seja o tema tanto do confronto com Black, quanto da morte do Royal.
A parte mais... Difícil do confronto, é quando Black está literalmente se arrastando pelo cenário, e literalmente resmungando sobre tudo o que houve. Você praticamente ouve a mente dela se quebrando, gradativamente - Uma sensação só ampliada pelo próprio monstro de Ivory, com seus gritos agonizantes.
Desculpe, eu não consegui traduzir em espanhol...
Não se preocupe com a linguagem xD, mas é verdade, sinto que o Black não era tão ruim quanto "pensamos", mas foram os "outros" que conseguem o caminho, no caso de Royal, não entendi a situação de Black Eu estava lá e Robin, eu acredito em tudo, quando depois, tudo foi uma perda de tempo, mas para evitar que Morin morresse, foi outro rolo (?)
Black atualmente é uma daquelas personagens que começa como rival e pelo jogo todo, tudo o que nós acabamos querendo é que ela acabe do nosso lado. No caso da Samba, eu tenho uma teoria. Black "sequestra" a Samba pra torre de Shockwood.
No caso, pensa comigo: Ela perdeu o White - Que mesmo sendo um falastrão que só fazia gritar e agravar as dores de cabeça dela, era seu "assistente" particular. Se ela quisesse mesmo fazer algum mal pra Samba, faria na hora - Como ela fez pro Royal no fim do stage do One Concern, naquela sala roxa. Ela surra ele pra "ensiná-lo" como é ser humano e sentir medo.
A impressão é de que Black tem um lado doce, mas as obrigações dela com relação ao One Concern, e os engravatados, que ela menciona algumas vezes, agravam e muito o estado de nervos dela. Tal como Ash comenta ter problemas da cintura pra baixo(de forma que os Isi o baniram, pois qualquer parente dele teria o mesmo problema), Black reclama recorrentemente de uma dor de cabeça lancinante. Que depois de tudo ela não consegue dizer se é pelo sangue dando conflito com Ivory, ou por ter tanta gente pressionando ela.
No caso, tomemos como exemplo o diálogo entre Black, o soldado da Bastilha que surge pra falar com ela, e logo em seguida com Samba. Samba atualmente tá só amarrada na cadeira, mas bem. Black se irrita porque o soldado atualmente tá querendo usar o ticket da Gray pra favorecer a Turkosa, que fugiu do bar e queria ir pra City One. E devido ao incidente entre Gray, Elro e duas seringas ejetoras de Ivory, ela não quer nem ouvir falar de Gray porque lembra do incidente todo.
Black usa sarcasmo, ironia e acidez pra esconder que não tá nada confortável com a vida dela, e é possível que Samba estivesse só mantendo companhia pra ela por algum tempo.
O mais engraçado é como de uma hora pra outra, mesmo pra ela, a invasão vem da mesma forma que ela invadiu a casa do Elro. De surpresa, ela vê o assassino da/do melhor amigo(a) dela, a irmã dele, uma pirata aleatória, o cara que ela tem uma crush mista com um ódio infinito... E por último aquele espadachim que rouba a kill fácil dela. xD Melhor reunião de todas. Você vê ela literalmente reagir como uma garotinha a aquilo tudo. "EU ODEIO VOCÊS TODOS!".
É totalmente verdade o que você diz (o que é uma boa experiência, mais do que eu xD), sério ... Hehe
Note: This game has an open ending...
Why?
We dont know what are the blue cells, we dont know what the HIS race was, we dont know what the Vegetal life did and we dont know what HER SPORES do grow to...
If a sequel comes, it will have to do with what those spores grow in
Si le pusieran los gritos de black al transformarse..esta cancion hubiera sido epica como ninguna otra.
De hecho, mas bien, si el JUEGO tuviera sus voces como personajes, este juego seria muy topeado (al menos es lo que comento)
No, de hecho no le puso voces por que sabia que se perderia el estilo de juego "old" vs graficos actuales 2018..asi como lo hizo, fue una obra de arte..no tiene que implementarle nada mas. Tal vez un jefe final que hubiera valido la pena y no el pajarraco..pero bueno.
_I think that was too many seeds..._
I have cried in this battle
Honestly ivory beast is one of the easiest bosses but the music.THE MUSIC
Don t remove my arm. Black
Fabricio Fenryir no
Meme Dream Machine n-no?
Im pretty terrified that she can hold a rocket for like, 3 fights.
No one gonna talk about how this dude did the fight with no tweaks!
HEAD
ACHE
El soundtrack es excelente y la batalla con la agente Black en esa transformacion es sublime, ha sido el momento del juego que mas me atrapo.
Si! de hecho la cancion no se me va de la mente, ni siquiera los gritos de ella cuando ataca..que escena tan espantosa y al mismo tiempo genial.
Poor Black
Ngl, no hate on the Starworm and its fight, but I feel like the game could've had this be the final boss and I would've been pretty satisfied.
Simplemente no tengo palabras para Black, una persona que sufre mucho dolor, una persona que solo vivió para lo que fue echa, una persona que tubo a alguien que la quería alguien que dejó entrar en su corazón y le fue arrebatada, no le importaba su misión ni su fe solo a grey y al final solo le quedaba su misión, pocos juegos me dan esa duda de que si lo que haces es correcto obvio y solo para que al final fuera en vano, el starworm llegaría a al tierra de todas formas, me duele el corazón, Black se convirtió en mi segundo personaje de videojuegos favorito
Lo mismo diria yo pero... por otro lado, no es asi, quiero decir, Black tuvo mas que eso, de hecho, (si no mal recuerdo), Royal ya sabia su VERDADERO NOMBRE (con esto, aclaro que ella en su pasado, tuvo los momento peores en su vida) (creo), Black a cargado una miseria y contagio de misiones para que sea parte de su grupo, todo gracias a los Chemico Contra (creo que se llama asi) en la parte donde dice Royal donde le explica la situacion del porque quiere el cohete, pero Royal entro directo y le comento todo a Robin enfrente de ella, aparte, recuerdas en una escena como una cabina DEBAJO DE Darland Ascent, hay como una cabina morada, esa cabina segun decia Royal muchas cosas que se uso en el transcurso... (en este punto no me acuerdo que es lo que dijo Royal), solo se una cosa, que consiste en que mientras hablaba cerca de la cabina morada a Robin, nos muestra un ejemplo mientras le explicaba, y parecia ser Black (esa es una teoria a mi punto de vista) y se lo explica a Robin sin darse cuenta...
Black en si, era de cabello castaño con cafe (o algo asi), y no se si era buena ANTES de ser "elegida" para que sea completo y divina, pero como el ejemplo despues prosiguio... entonces Black tuvo como resultado en estado de negacion, pero sulta que El, el "todopoderoso", le dio tambien de garantizar que sea masa bien como guerreros o guardianes de marfil, lo que no entiendo, es porque le quitaron los brazos... tal vez porque El y la gente experimentada les ofrecio a esas personas con cabello negro que les diera "poderes" (como los brazos morados de Black, los pies/zapatos de Chrome, entre otros personajes que tengan con cosas Moradas), a partir de este punto, pienso que TAMBIEN pueden ser "victimas" u ofrecidos para estar con lo que es de El....
PD: Royal (Delfin) y Robin (Alondra), esta dispersado ante diferente traducción...
PD2: En la cabina ya recorde, se le llamaba como "Trancesor"
PD3: El nombre verdadero nombre de Black es "Madelyn"
It's not the same without the sound effect of her screaming a few seconds into phase two.
I just understood that this based on moonlight sonata
How to make a gamer cry...
Entonces :'u al final no c destruyó el planeta? :'''u
Ño
:³
Can u guys believe I beat her on the first try 😐
yeah really XD
hey uh you are kinda bragging bout killing this boss and you kinda dont feel pride when killing black
Same lol gg game, but best fight in the game by far, (one of the hardest)
quisiera saber el porque de su tanformacion , tiene similitud con el starworm , yo digo que es por que como esas cosas azules ( no me acuerdo de su nombre )infectan cualquier cosa exepto humanos y a agentes ,es por que se estaba convirtiendo en arbol ? o hay algo mas que me este perdiendo ?
La cosa azul infecta cualquier cosa viva o muerta, mas la sangre de Ivory de Black + las semillas ancestrales de Mina y la determinacion de Black por proteger su cohete (podemos ver en su ultima transformacion que aún estaba conciente de si) fueron el detonante para transformarla en una amalgama de mutacion.
La mutacion fue mas que nada por las semillas que eliminan el ivory pero ella consumio ivory hasta empezar a vomitarlo...el ivory se metia al cuerpo por medio de la maquina especial...pero ella lo tragaba directamente con tal de obtener mas poder para vencerte pero no pudo..al final muta en eso..por eso tiene arboles y todo, se esta volviendo una con la tierra.
no se si las semillas eliminen el Ivory... los arboles mas bien creo que fueron las semillas sobrecargadas de eso.
Me refiero a que las semillas absorven todo el ivory = marfil. Y convierte el ivory en energia para hacer un arbol. Por eso a todos los agentes que le pusieron semillas se convirtieron en arboles al fallecer. Ella consumio tanto ivory que hasta vomitaba, incluso tuvo muchas semillas en su interior y se convirtio en una montaña de arboles horrendo
si esa explicacion esta mejor. lo triste es que los dolores de cabeza no cesaban ni aun siendo mutante
agent black reminds me of my mom
impatient, rude, aggressive, easily annoyed, a literal beast, the list goes on
but if she dies, you'll cry a lot
Reminds me of Naruto vs. Sasuke or any emotional final battle like that.
Oh shit...
guacala no mezclen Iconoclasts (obra maestra) con Naruto
QUIEN OSA DARLE UN NO ME GUSTAAAA!!!!!
Pues, es cada quien tiene el gusto de la gente (aunque tambien no me gusta tener "No me gusta" en videos asi... ;_;)
Best boss in the game. 10/10
Doesn't make up for all the shit bosses sadly =/
Ok, I know this post is old and everything, but I just want to know what makes you think this way. Just enlighten me with your logic.
Personally, I think they are really good and have great music to back them.
@@marklevine2294 I agree