Fun fact: if you talk to Monster Kid after doing the pacifist route, he says Undyne is more mean than cool and that he found someone way cooler. Then he just says ‘Nyeh Heh Heh!’
I'm taking the pacifist route cause as much as I agree that Papyrus is truly the coolest I'm aware that everyone isn't going to agree and that's fine 😊
Hunny Senpai And if they never get back, I understand. I only ship this cuz they belong together! But since deltarune has been released (it’s like an au of Undertale but without the war, except it’s a separate game) AND THEY STILL HAVENT GOTTEN BACK TOGETHER YET I’m starting to lose hope.........
He really does deserve it he was a good dad and would care for his kingdom he never wanted to kill the children but his opinion on humans kinda change when a town was killing asriel for no reason and he never wanted to kill the children he did for his kingdom
@@SlyfyGummy ikr. I just finished deltarune c1 and the fact that she STILL hates asgore is pretty sad. Pretty sure the dude’s being evicted from his home there too.
Of course, we are just friends. I forgive him for killing 6 innocent children. If you try to ship me and sans, he is my friend too. So try not to ship me and him and asgore. T-T
+UnderFan8808 gamez Please at least *try* to make it look like you're not younger than five... You'd be terrible at roleplaying, and check your goddamn spelling...
Has nobody watched the whole of the credit ending I mean think about it asgore is working with Toriel at her school he is trimming a bush in the shape of papyrus' face of course she forgives him
@@justin2308 True considering that fact he killed 6 human children for their souls. So Toriel must have forgiven him at least a little bit. It’s very clear Asgore regretted killing the kids all those years, it was just too late for him to turn back.
Kitty_Sophie123 no, YOU DID. FRISK did nothing... YOU pressed the fight button, YOU killed the monsters, YOU DIRTY BROTHER KILLERS. *glares at every genocider*
I see them more as cute dorks that tell each other jokes through a door. I think they're more just brother and sister than lovers, Sans is too lazy to commit to a relationship and Toriel still has eyes on Asgore. :)
Toby proved sans to be fucking 17. Toriel is at least 40, seeing as the last soul to fall was 20 years ago (Integrity) and then it had to have been at least 10 years between the fallen souls, so 17 (sans’s age) + 20 + 10 = 47 so Toriel has to be at least 45 or older. A couple who is 17 and 45 is disgusting
Tweet from Toby Fox: "I guess begrudged pity is a kind of relationship yea" Implies that Toriel felt bad enough to work with Asgore but not enough to actually love him again.
just like to note: Toby Fox said himself in a tweet that Sans would be too lazy to get into a relationship, so I don't get why people ship him with Toriel and many others.
I think that was mostly just because he didn't want to be answering Shipping questions. Think about it, Sans really isn't that lazy. His brother calls him lazy for napping all the time but sleeping through the night isn't napping (he is napping during the Undyne fight but then he also was actively trying to avoid capturing you for his promise, could have faked it as an excuse to not help Undyne) Sans also has at least five jobs that we know of (three sentry stations, the judge, stand up at MTT, plus an illegal hot dog business, also something to do with science with his lab and timeline readings). He also actively loves and adores his brother, if he can love him why not someone else he cares about? To me anyone who works so many jobs while still making time to spend with his family and friends while also doing mind boggling science in his downtime can't really be considered lazy. Now maybe Sans just has too much on his plate for a relationship, that I would believe :)
Tbh I just don't ship Sans with anyone sense it wouldn't work out anyway xD Why you may ask? Sans has no lips. No reproductive organs, and Toby states he is to lazy to be in a relationship
I assumed they never officially divorced. I feel like she just up and left. This couple is practically immortal. I'd say it's high time they had their first real fight. Oh, and I saw it coming when Asgore was revealed as her husband. The parallel houses, and all that. Edit: Plus, I think their mutual love of Frisk as their child could bond them again, especially since it seems Frisk would form a special connection with Asgore (when you pick the flower tea in Undyne's house, for instance, she compares Frisk to him). That might help Toriel remember that Asgore is not evil, the husband and father he was, and perhaps even why she fell in love with him in the first place.
Aaron Cauch sans is fucking 17. Toriel is at least 40, seeing as the last soul to fall was 20 years ago (Integrity) and then it had to have been at least 10 years between the fallen souls, so 17 (sans’s age) + 20 + 10 = 47 so Toriel has to be at least 45 or older. A couple who is 17 and 45 is disgusting
0:05 sans 0:50 sans 1:31 sans (this one is very hidden) 5:02 sans 5:19 sans 5:35 sans 5:46 sans 6:01 sans 6:45 sans (P.S. Underlab, why do you question the love for a goat and a skeleton, but not for a fish and a lizard/dinosaur?)
Well done on spotting the super secret Sans! I... never noticed it myself. As for me questioning the relationship with Sans--I didn't say it was impossible, it just seems... unlikely, what with the circumstances of Sans being undead and all!
I think the best exploration of Toriel's feelings came from a random piece of fanart I saw on the subject once. Toriel: "Hate? I don't think I could ever hate Asgore. But he hurt me, deeply..." It's safe to assume that Asgore has always been the big softy we see him as. Toriel, likely, fell in love with this kind, compassionate and jovial monster. He's a bit naive and a little hopelessly optimistic at times, but he's all around a good person. Even when monsters lost the war with humans, Asgore didn't lose that kind heart he had. Not until his children were killed did he finally snap, and swear genocide upon humanity. He broke so hard and so completely with who he had been that Toriel, his wife, couldn't even reach him. He shut her out. She felt betrayed by somebody she trusted more than anybody else in the world. He betrayed everything he stood for, lost in his own grief. Every time she sees him, she's reminded of that betrayal, and the pain it caused her. Every time Asgore tries to act like his old carefree and happy self, she sees it for the mask it is, hiding the violent cruelty she knows he is capable of, and it only serves to remind her of how painful that betrayal was. It'll take quite some time before the two are able to properly reconcile, but I DO think it's possible. At least, with Frisk's help.
I see your reasoning. This is a good comment, but there is one thing I'd like to say: I myself don't think the kind compassionate jovial monster is a mask. He isn't trying to act like his old carefree and happy self. I think its quite the opposite. That violent genocidal Asgore we hear about is the mask he was hiding behind and that kind compassionate man is the real him. Everything I have seen on screen shows how kind of a man he really is, even after everything he has gone through. I guess he was already tired from the suffering his people had gone through and the death of both of his children was the breaking point. I think he tried to become that murderous man for his people and out of his own misery, but never actually could, because that's not who he is, so he put on that mask and forced himself to kill the humans. He was very reluctant every step in the way going into the fight with us too. At the end of the true pacifist ending Toriel said something about him being able to cross through the barrier after the first human soul was captured if he really wanted to, but instead he decided to wait in the castle hoping that no other humans fall down for him to kill. Now I have only personally played one neutral ending, true pacifist ending and watched a video of the genocide ending (cant bring myself to kill goat mom). I don't think I have seen every pit of material the game has to offer, but this is the conclusion I ended up with, with this limited knowledge of mine.
Ya and f I was French I would never ever probably be able to learn how to spell or say English words also I would be too lazy to learn and also good job!
Toriel wouldn't be with someone with "blood in his hands", and less if that blood was the blood of 6 children that Toriel meet... she probably knew their names, their prefferences (cinnamon or butterscotch), what they wanted to be when they grow up... Meanwhile, what Asgore knew about them is that they were humans, and that's it. Meanwhile, Sans is a lazy ass, he wouldn't start a romantic relationship with anyone because a romantic relationship is too much work, and being parent is even more work... Also, he even tells you in genocide that "the surface wouldn't make him happy", meaning that he is not gonna do anything with his life because he would expect you to reset it again. Toriel doesn't need to go with any of these 2 monsters, she could just be alone, or end with a third person, heck, she could even end with a human now that they are all in the surface.
pain giver, that’s actually reasonable though... sans was only killing the human repeatedly because, oh, you know... literally KILLING EVERY OTHER MONSTER.
Theoretically. It depend on us to determine either if their on the surface or dead, Same thing for if Toriel and Asgore get back or if Toriel goes with Sans.
You mean like how Sans would have literally killed you where you stood if she didn't say anything, and even then, lets you trudge on and die possibly an infinite amount of times under the guise of "keeping you safe"? Or how her own son has literally slaughtered all of the underground, possibly multiple times, as Flowey for shits and giggles, and even tries killing you in the end? Also, you forget the fact that Asgore despises himself for what he has done, and only did it to give his people hope of escape _so they don't die_ , and because his children were just then killed by humans.
Not saying that it isn't possible that she doesn't get romantically involved with either of these characters, but I'm fairly certain she would at least forgive the poor bastard.
What vid it's a meme around the Internet Also the lyrics are "Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me" in the original song. I don't know what parodies you're watching, but don't think it's the actual song.
Do you think Toriel forgives Asgore by the end of the game? Let me know! Maybe Asgore secretly has a crush on the Snowdin shopkeeper? Who knows... If you particularly enjoyed this video, please like the Reddit post! www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/5gmoyc/does_toriel_forgive_asgore_at_the_end_of/
Ok, we're supposed to interpret the futures of these characters? ok... Frisk: Post Genocide: KIlls everyone! Pre Genocide: Lives in utter boredom with Toriel. Toriel: Eventually remarries Asgore Asgore: I just said this... Undyne: Is arrested for mass assault on people who bumped into her on the streets, and dies in prison due to lack of water. Alphys: Wracked with grief so she returns to the underground bringing several humans with her to do experiments on their souls. Sans: Works as a comedian while constantly keeping Papyrus out of trouble. Papyrus: Part-time cook at a 2-star restaurant. Mettaton: reunites with napstablook and lives life in the limelight with his toaster girlfriend. Mad Dummy: Knife enthusiast Napstablook: Sad all the time Monster Kid: Goes to school and hates every moment of it. Whimsalot, Knightknight, and Madjick: form a mercenary group. Vulkin: Hides out in bushes to greet passersby but accidently sets them on fire. Temmie: Temmie Aron: Paranormal investigator working shirtless. And a whole bunch of other people I forgot the names of.
Mighty Two-Headed Meerkat I don't really Sans is a comedian since he would just fall asleep while telling jokes, better at home laying on the ball-shaped blanket 😇😝
Quonit37 I'm saying that as Mettaton reunites with Napstablook and Napstablook now knows who he is, but Mettaton also has a girlfriend, a TOASTER girlfriend.
When I first heard of Asgore, I actually thought he was a version of Flowey. I still have no idea why. I thought he was a big, vicious Flowey. I guess it's because of the way Toriel described him and how Flowey just was. I was confused when Papyrus called Asgore fluffy, and I eventually realised, that before seeing him, he is not a flower. That would have been entertaining though, you have to admit.
5:56 **megalovania plays** WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT PAPS (I'm so triggered right now) jk no hate comments here. but srsly I think papyrus is very cool. he is the great papyrus!
One person pointed out how Toby mentioned ‘begrudged pity’ in terms of how Toriel treated Asgore after the story. Well, my counter argument is that we all know Toby can troll his fans just right to the point where we will have to wonder if that next bit of dialogue is going to be serious or *Annoying Dog intensifies*. It’s one of the beauties of his games. I’m perfectly willing to think what he said about Sans being too lazy for romance was serious as a hint for the fandom to take into account, but that one I think is a subtle troll. After all, Asgore is working at her school and in striking distance of the children both monsters and humans who interact with him, which she wouldn’t have let him if she didn’t begin to trust him again to some extent. On top of that, during Asriel’s fight, when you rescue the lost souls, the pairs you rescue are intimately related in terms of family or romance, and you rescue Asgore and Toriel TOGETHER, which implies a connection that still exists between them as family, which would mean their marital love. Is she mad at him? Yes. Does she hate him? I honestly doubt it.
@@randomgravityfallsfan8761 Ok so I don't know what my exact thought was when I wrote this but since Frisk met them both in a short period of time, and he considers Toriel as mom, maybe meeting both Toriel and Asgore at the same time and seeing them as mom and dad would mean he sees them being together? Then again that's just Frisk's perception so I don't know
I really don't understand why Soriel is so common in the Undertale fandom! There's no actual evidence to Sans & Toriel liking eachother in a romantic way, they are simply very good friends.
Asgore doesn't seem to think they're just friends when Toriel and Sans are talking in the Pacifist ending; the poor guy is crying. But yeah. They should be left as friends. Toriel is far too old for Sans (He even calls her an old lady) and Toby has said that Sans is too lazy for a relationship. That said, I don't really hate the ship, I'm actually rather neutral towards it and I can handle seeing it in drawings and such, but I can understand why others hate it.
+Minty Art Exactly, Sans just finds her an "old lady", they are simply just friends. Like Toriel could be hundreds of years old, keep in mind that she existed before Chara even came to the underground, which is quite a long time, and the only reason she hasn`t aged is beacuse monsters can`t age without their sons, otherwise she would probably be dead by the time Frisk comes by... Sans on the other hand is probably not THAT old... Yeah there`s proof that he knew W.D Gaster in person which was also a long time ago but I don`t think that`s as old as the time Toriel existed. I am also in the same side with you, I don`t hate Soriel but nor do I like it, I just don`t care about it really, it doesn`t bother me at all. What does bother me tho is how many people consider it fact when its not.
I can imagine a wedding etween sans and tori 'you may now kiss the bride" *sans tries to reach her* *toriel bends over* tori gets smacked in the fave by sand face, breaking her nose" SHOOT TORI NO
Forgive, yes. Get back together....eh. With the amount of animosity she had for him, I think rebuilding a friendship would be hard enough, to say nothing of a romantic relationship. Then again, they are conditionally immortal, so maybe sometime in the far future.
(Old comment I know) but if you listen to Toriel’s theme, there’s no leitmotif of Asgore’s Bergentrückung or his battle theme. I think this shows that Toriel has moved on from Asgore’s BS however Asgore is still caught up with his old life with Toriel.
Oh, she is absolutely a hypocrite. She decries Asgore meekly hoping that another human wouldn't fall into the Underground, after she spent all that time cowering in the RUINs instead of doing anything about it-and it's obvious she could have, as Asgore is completely cowed in her presence, and the title of Queen is equal in power to King, not subordinate (both are derived from royal blood, not from marriage, so if she wasn't Asgore's equal as a ruler, she'd be a princess instead). She claims that he let the monsters live in despair, but she was the one who left her throne vacant; did she really think that the queen just disappearing after a tragic event would help give anyone hope? At least Asgore *tried*. I think trying to claim that Toriel isn't a hypocrite is actually kind of degrading to her as a character, in fact. It's often said that characters need flaws to feel more real, and less like a simple narrative device. Without that hypocrisy, that level of maybe not actually being so different from Asgore, the idea that maybe she's not *right* to hold onto her grudge against him so strongly, Toriel doesn't really have any flaws. She could be replaced by a signpost that says, "Oh, by the way, ASGORE is a douche." Allowing her to be called a hypocrite, though, actually makes her interesting, in the same way that Asgore and Sans are. *Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys and Mettaton are all schmucks.* Not one of them brings anything interesting or unique to the game. They could all have been created with a simple T-chart. One column for "cool" traits, one column for flaws, boom, there's your character. They're all popular because they all fulfill some popular archetype and/or provide fanservice. But they'd all be absolutely empty characters without playing them on other characters. They'd be nothing if they didn't have Sans and Asgore. The thing about Toriel being a hypocrite is that it's not as simple as just saying that she's a hypocrite. It's not a flaw thrown in for the sake of balancing the scales. Toriel's flaws are inseparable from her strengths. It's part and parcel of who she is. She shouldn't hate Asgore as much as she seems to, that's bad, but she does because of her conviction, which is a good thing to have. Asgore, likewise, does horrible things for his ultimate desire to give everyone hope. He's a coward, but is that even really a bad thing to be when anything you can do is horrible? If you take away Papyrus's stupidity, you have a smarter Papyrus, but if you take away Sans's laziness, you no longer have Sans at all. That's what it's all about. Let's stop pretending that being perfect makes Toriel better. Also, Soriel is trash and I have no mercy for anyone who ships it.
To be honest, I dislike Soriel simply because there is literally 3 things the two have in common: Love for puns, admiring Papyrus, and caring for Frisk (the promise). In fact, ((Spoiler warning! (though, why are you here if you don't wanna be spoiled?))) Sans cares so little about keeping that promise by the end of the genocide route, that he says "welp, sorry old lady... this is why i don't make promises." Also... he calls her *old lady*. He clearly only cares for her in a friendship sorta way. Kinda like being friends with an elder. Also, Sans isn't a boss monster, so he'll die before Toriel does. Not a fun relationship.
This is completely ignoring the True Pacifist dialogue prior to Flowey showing up. Sans arrives, Toriel greets him, Asgore starts crying, Undyne says that 'there are plenty more fish in the sea' and that Asgore should move on (and this is Undyne we're talking about, someone so blind to people being in love with each other she thinks RG01 and 02 and just really good friends even when you call her when they're eating nice cream together.) That kinda suggests a relationship in my book. Oh and Toby Fox was really into not revealing spoilers on his twitter (even to the point of not ever mentioning Asriel by name) so him saying that Sans was 'too lazy for a relationship' really seems more of him trying to hide spoilers relating to the True ending and the real reason Sans had given up on everything(which would be spoilers for the Geno run). I don't like Toriel all that much really but Soriel is canon, live with it.
I don't see how any of that suggests that Soriel is in any way more canon than this video suggests it isn't lol. Either way, I feel you're free to believe what you want... I would never insist it's one way or another when there's no objective proof of it.
So Undyne and Asgore both looking at them and thinking 'they are into eachother' does suggest them being a couple to you? I don't quite see your logic there but ok.
Also, how is Soriel even Canon? You cannot say the maker's words don't count you doughnut Sans is too Lazy for a relationship. There isn't more to it, you cannot say "He's hiding spoilers" because there is nothing to spoil Undertale is done, he said he MAY make another but that isn't happening Soon and Undertale isn't one route like you act it is, In My Route Asgore and Toriel get back together Sans lives happily Papyrus, While in Yours it seems Asgore is left heartbroken over the Death of his Child, he has his own Wife taken away and Sans gets more than he honestly deserves.
Udl Master Toby literally tweeted that his own tweets aren't canon. twitter.com/tobyfox/status/802150493992714240 Also, just because he's done making it doesn't mean that everyone everywhere has played the game and got the True pacifist ending. He was preventing spoilers for the game incase someone found his twitter half way through playing or something. I don't feel like that is something I should need to explain. Just because in your headcanon Toriel and Asgore get back together doesn't mean that the evidence to the contrary goes away. Toriel wasn't 'taken away by Sans' she left, whether or not she gets with Sans is irrelevant at that point. But whatever, if you think Asgore will be happier in the long run with someone who is likely to bring up the fact he murdered 6 children everytime they get in an arguement rather than moving on and finding someone who won't emotionally cripple him with that memory then ok but I disagree.
It's really hard to say. Toriel is such a beautiful and sweet goat mom. She deserves someone to love her, but after what Asgore did, forgiveness may not even happen. She may end up living the rest of her life alone, but she does have friends that care about her. Whilst I don't see Sans as a potential partner for Toriel, I do, however, see them as good friends.
I think they do because they were sad about the loss of two children and then one child by the name of frisk show up and make them both happy so they can start over with a new family.
Honestly, I think Toriel owes Asgore an apology as well, considering she just sat around on her ass all day in the Ruins hoping humans would feel sad enough for her to stay, and then letting them die and waiting to the last possible second to do something. At least Asgore was actually, you know, doing something instead of running and hiding the second things don't go her way like a toddler.
ok imagine this you have 1 dog and one child you best friend or someone you care about has one the child and your best friends dog die in a car accident after that you get a new dog and after less than a day your best friend or someone you care for in starts killing your dogs in grief of their own dying (it happens 6 more times) tell me would you forgive them for killing all your pets that is basically how the relationship goes for Toriel and Asgore
That makes no sense. They weren't Toriel's kids, just some random humans she tried kidnapping. I don't care if Toriel's some pacifist, so is Asgore, but guess what, when you have a job, you have to suck it up and do your job. I'm sure no one in a war wants to kill anyone, but if someone's coming at them, it's either they fight for their life or die. Judging by your logic, the guy should be put in jail or executed for that. Edit: Also, rereading what you said, that makes no sense again because, why the hell would you kill 6 dogs when your dog died? That has nothing to do with anything. With Asgore, he's collecting souls to break a barrier,someone killing dogs is just...someone killing dogs. There's nothing to gain from that.
@@jamisonfawkes8406bro toriel abandoned asgore when she could have simply wait till he calmed down and helped him to change his mind or remove the rule or instead told him inmediatly about him just absorbing one soul of human and go outside to collect 6 more souls or atleast told him to modified the rule like if the humans who fell kill any single monster unless its self defense they would take their soul
I don't think she did...but that doesn't mean she shouldn't... The simple fact is...Toriel believes in a very simple Moral Code, which this game completely throws out the window. Both Asgore and Sans - as well as Undyne - were written to be more complex than that. The simple fact is, Life isn't Black and White, it's a lot more complicated than that - which is why the game's fighting mechanics are in Black and White, it's making a statement. Video games usually are black and white; you fight the monsters, you gain experience, and you win the game...but in this game, it shows you a black and white screen, while giving you pieces and bits of the character's personality...and that bleeds through the black and white visuals, to show you what it really is...a diverse, complex of colors... No one in this game is effectively "evil"...but like Sans says, "That doesn't make them completely innocent." Each one has their own shades of Gray; for example, we have evidence that Sans, Undyne, and possibly even Alphys and Mettaton are responsible for killing humans - so to say that Asgore is responsible for killing 6 kids, is laughably naive. There's a damn good chance that most of them never even MADE it to Asgore. We know that the Bandana Kid was killed by Sans, the Ballerina girl was killed by Undyne, and it's most likely that apron-kid and cowboy kid got killed by Mettaton or someone else in the Hotlands - based on the locations where we find their items. All Asgore did was collect their souls, and put their bodies into coffins - most likely to give them honorable burials... Am I trying to say that Asgore is innocent, or what he did isn't wrong? Of course not...What I am saying is, there are many various factors that went into Asgore's decision making, that make it more complicated than a simple matter of Right and Wrong. For the one thing; BOTH of his children died in one night...one of them died of an unknown poisoning, and the other was murdered in cold-blood...Of course Asgore was going to be left in a wrecked emotional state. And in his anger, he's going to be make brash, hot-headed decisions, because he's not thinking clearly... But beyond his own emotions; what ELSE was he supposed to do? We know from Undyne and from Asgore himself that he's a Pacifist - he doesn't desire power and he's not bloodthirsty...But how else was he supposed to react to Asriel's death? Simply put...the Humans caused a completely unprovoked attack on a creature who didn't do any harm - just because they misunderstood the situation and perceived a threat. And they refused to do the one thing that every monster in the Underground will eventually do; they never relented, they never showed any restraint... Simply put...they assassinated a foreigner, who was the member of a Royal Family, who refused to fight back to defend himself. In essence...Mankind effectively declared War on the Monsters by doing that. Asgore declaring war on mankind in the underground was literally the only action that the underground would've respected at that point. After all the peace they'd achieved with Chara...they got a reminder of just how bad humans CAN be, and they lost their prince because of it. Everyone in the Underground was angry and sad at the loss of Asriel - because as they said, "Once again, the Humans took everything from us." It would have effectively been political suicide for Asgore to NOT have reacted the way people expected him to. But more importantly, rather than causing War, Asgore's policy in the underground was more about inspiring Hope. He was collecting the souls one by one to make sure everyone in the Underground had a sense of optimism for the future; the thought that they'll one day get out of there and get up to the surface. Because without hope, the people would have no will to go on. So yeah, I do believe that at the end of the Game, Toriel is being WAY too hard on Asgore for his actions, and she frankly comes off as a Bitch. For the one thing; she chastises Asgore for simply waiting for 7 humans to fall down here, to collect the souls, when he easily could've taken just one, crossed the barrier, killed six other humans outright, and then shattered the barrier from the other side. Except...THAT'S A REASON WHY YOU SHOULD FORGIVE HIM! Asgore didn't WANT To do that, because he never wanted to kill anyone; he was hoping beyond hope that another human would never fall into the underground, that way the war would be prevented. Had Asgore simply gone through the barrier, to get more souls, he himself would have to target and kill six innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with this - and he'd be invading someone else's land to do it. He'd be the intruder who was crossing the borders, and attacking people in cold blood. Plus, once he got all 7 and freed the underground, he'd be expected to Steam-Roll Mankind with his god-like power. But Asgore never wanted to do that... All throughout their final conversation, Toriel is treating Asgore like he's a no good killer...when his actions show that he's literally trying to AVOID being a cold-hearted killer. Hell, there's an argument that can even be made that it's simpler for him to wait for a human to fall down, and kill them; because technically - 1; they are unwelcome intruders in HIS kingdom. And 2; he's effectively sparing them from a life of despair, knowing that they can never truly go home, unless they'd be willing to kill someone themselves to do it... The worst bit of it, in my mind, is when Toriel calls him a coward for doing things the way he does. Because it's apparently cowardly to NOT want to kill people. The reason why this burns me up is because...all of this is Toriel's fault just as much as it is Asgore's. Like I mentioned, Asgore's policy to kill humans and take their souls should they fall into the underground, was brought about due to his fragile emotional state; he just lost two children - the things he cared about the most - in literally one night, and worse, he's a leader, with the people's hopes and dreams resting on HIS shoulders; it's his responsibility to make sure the Underground functions. But like I said, the decision was brought about because Asgore wasn't thinking straight; and he couldn't do that given the emotional state he was in... What do you think could POSSIBLY make this situation even worse? How about having his wife abandon him during all of this, instead of standing by him and helping him to work out his problems? Maybe instead of packing up and leaving, Toriel could've just waited, and seen how Asgore REALLY felt; then she could've helped him work through it. Instead, she makes a fucking judgement call, and decides to abandon not just her Husband, but the rest of the underground as well. I actually think Toriel is the selfish one in this position... She left Asgore as a complete emotional wreck; no children and no wife; his family completely crumbled around him, until the ONLY thing he had left to do, was take care of the people of the Underground. Of COURSE he's going to go into collecting souls more vehemently than this. (What I'm saying is; abandoning your loved ones during an emotional and identity crisis is NEVER the solution. You have to STAY there with them, even if they consider doing horrible things. Because without you there to help them through it, they'll always end up doing something worse.) But even at the end, when Asgore thought his life was over, the only thing he wanted was for his Wife to come back. And yet, Toriel treats Asgore like a creep when she sees him at the end of Perfect Pacifist, and almost half the fanbase treats Asgore like a Monster, while pretending that Sans and Undyne's hands are completely clean... I'm tired of this hypocrisy, and I want people to give Asgore a break.
#asgoredidnothingwrong I agree with you toriel was very close-minded at some point she did not think straight instead of calming him from his emotional state she rans away never to be seen again..
I think that WE decide if Asgore and Toriel get back together. Alphys asks us if we think they will. If we say "yes" then Frisk pulls some parent trap stuff and gets them back together (which has a double benefit according to my headcanon that Asriel/Flowey can only get a permanent soul (and therefore return to being Asriel) if he got it the same way he did originally. From Asgore and Toriel combining theirs. If they then gave this soul to Flowey, Asriel could return). If we say "no" then they go their separate ways and merely learn to tolerate each other. Whatever you picked is what happened. After all, your choices MATTER in this game!
Ok Ik I'm late at commenting but hear me out I personally feel like toriel and asgore would be friends rather than getting back together and my evidence is in the sequel deltarune (which yes ik takes place in another universe but there are still the same characters) if u head over to asgores flower shop he asks u to give some flowers to toriel and well when u do toriel responds "are these from him" while making an angry face, so what I'm saying there is a possibility they might get back together but probably won't be able to work it out properly. And as someone who has witnessed multiple divorces between my parents/aunts/uncles I would know that even if u try to make things work it's mostly impossible which is why I think they would just be friends. But that's just my personal opinion
Toriel does eventually forgive Asgore. Whether they get back together is unclear and I would rather leave it that way in canon. Toriel does try to get her romantic grove back on, with Sans in particular, but it just doesn't work out, until she actually forgives Asgore and herself, on top of actually mourning Asriel's death. Doing that might let her see things from Asgore's point of view. More darkly Toriel has to come to grips with the fact she knew, at some level, Asgore was killing those children. Also if she truly knew him so well, especially during the time they had taken in Chara, that Asgore really did not want to kill those children or anyone. But this was a Father's rage left unanswered for so long, could on exist in the unconsoled grief of his son's death. Something for which Toriel would have helped him with along with Asgore being a sounding board for her pain over their son's death. They need each other more than the other knows. and while Asgore had to make the hard decisions and take the hard actions as King, Toriel, I think, was being very selfish, and counterproductive, cutting Asgore out of her life and running away, and locking herself away. Apparently she had been away for so long than a whole new generation of monsters grew up never knowing Toriel even existed. Again I think Toriel has to forgive herself more than she needs to Forgive Asgore. He was the one in a very hard position from a LOT of different angles, Father who lost his son, King who lost his kingdom, General who lost a war and so many people they could not afford to lose, a husband who lost his wife and son, ... daughter (Chara. Yes I think Chara is female. Frisk and Mettaton are androgynous), and his family. Toriel bailed on Asgore when he needed her most. This basically means Toriel needs to be forgiven her faults. But blame can go around in a infinite loop. Because Toriel locked herself away, no one really even remembers she is there, save a scant few, and Asgore will not force his wife to out, SHE is the one who has to forgive first. This makes her almost certainly responsible for Asgore's actions, by not being there when he needed her most, when was at his lowest.
Sans would not be in love with Toriel because there would be no point. He knows that everything will be reset. Relationship progress, only for it to be gone. So, yeah.
I think Toriel’s point was just that if he wanted to break the barrier, there was an easy way to do it that he’s had access to for many years. It isn’t hypocritical given the fact that she’s saying he could if he wanted to, she explicitly states that she doesn’t want to hurt humans let alone kill them, and despite wanting the barrier broken as much as anyone else she doesn’t want to kill anyone. I think the people calling it hypocritical don’t quit understand what they’re talking about, if anything it makes Asgore a hypocrite since he’s called for all out war on humans yet he didn’t go past the barrier the moment he had the chance to before completely destroying it.
A bit off topic, but you mentioned the ending being vague, so I have to wonder whether or not Toby went the Dark Souls route of storytelling, in that he purposefully left a LOT of the story vague so that each player creates their own story to fall in love with? It would explain the ambiguous genders, the vague implications of each character's truest traits, Gaster, Sans, Chara, human magic being contradictory, and the ending being rather abrupt... If so, perhaps this is a sign of a new trend with storytelling?
Omg everyone chill about soriel. I ship it and Toby even said he is comfortable with all ships and he doesn't really care. Toby is nice enough to have said that. Ship whatever you want and don't give other people shit for shipping something you don't 🤕
It probably would’ve also been good to mention that in the Asriel Dremurr fight, Asgore and Toriel’s lost souls are together which could also be a hint
That moment you realized Toriel and Asgore named their kid after there ship name. Asriel ASgore+toRIEL
GaleGrim Asriel Dreemurr = Serial Murderer
coughs
Finnaly someone who is smart and be lives me
GaleGrim well asgore is bad at names.
I guess we know who named him then...
Asriel in hebrew means prince of god
Underlab: *Calls Papyrus not cool*
Papyrus fans: Peace was never an option.
@Willow gamer 🎮 correction. Everyone: peace was never an option
Papyrus is cool by definition, so it's not just the fans
COOLSKELETON95 FOREVERRRRRR!!!!!!! NYEH HEH HEH heh?
Fun fact: if you talk to Monster Kid after doing the pacifist route, he says Undyne is more mean than cool and that he found someone way cooler. Then he just says ‘Nyeh Heh Heh!’
I'm taking the pacifist route cause as much as I agree that Papyrus is truly the coolest I'm aware that everyone isn't going to agree and that's fine 😊
I ship this so hard. I really, really hope they do end up back together. I don't understand Soriel, it's weird to me.
Hunny Senpai YeSh!!!!
I like Soriel platonically.
I only see sans and tori bff's and pun buddies.
@@moonlatte2254 same :3
Hunny Senpai
And if they never get back, I understand.
I only ship this cuz they belong together!
But since deltarune has been released (it’s like an au of Undertale but without the war, except it’s a separate game)
AND THEY STILL HAVENT GOTTEN BACK TOGETHER YET
I’m starting to lose hope.........
"Papyrus isn't very cool."
Boom. Did you hear that? That, my friend, is the sound of hundreds of Papyrus fans blowing up in anger.
I like to think they reconciled. Asgore's story is so damned depressing, he needs a happy ending ._.
poor asgore
:(
He really does deserve it he was a good dad and would care for his kingdom he never wanted to kill the children but his opinion on humans kinda change when a town was killing asriel for no reason and he never wanted to kill the children he did for his kingdom
@@grunt4943 thx you bro....I am sick of Toriel being a bitch to him in every series/games
@@SlyfyGummy ikr. I just finished deltarune c1 and the fact that she STILL hates asgore is pretty sad. Pretty sure the dude’s being evicted from his home there too.
@obliteratordeathcon4456 He might not get a happy one, but he deserve one
Toriel X Asgore is one of my two favorite ships for undertale, the other being Alphys X Undyne.
I agree, because those are the only official ones
Alphyne is basically canon.
Wooh.
What about...
METATON ×ANNOYING DOG??????
...the other being *HATE* ....
Because in my AU Undyne is my wife.
@@dragonwolf3527 yep
I like to think that Toriel and Asgore are still at least friends.
Same
Deceiving Fresh Parasite Same
Of course, we are just friends. I forgive him for killing 6 innocent children. If you try to ship me and sans, he is my friend too. So try not to ship me and him and asgore. T-T
+UnderFan8808 gamez Please at least *try* to make it look like you're not younger than five... You'd be terrible at roleplaying, and check your goddamn spelling...
How did a simple comment turn into _this_...
Has nobody watched the whole of the credit ending I mean think about it asgore is working with Toriel at her school he is trimming a bush in the shape of papyrus' face of course she forgives him
The Head Bush is a reference to Undertale, in Papyrus’ fight, he says that the king will trim a hedge in the shape of him. Cool!
Not necessarily
She might have just hired him because he's a good gardener
Danger Dolphin 101 Okay, so what about the fact that it’s at a school where he’s within fifteen feet of children?
@@justin2308 True considering that fact he killed 6 human children for their souls. So Toriel must have forgiven him at least a little bit. It’s very clear Asgore regretted killing the kids all those years, it was just too late for him to turn back.
"I guess begrudged pity is a kind of relationship, yeah"
-Toby Fox
Honestly, if toriel heard what asgore said when you almost kill him, I think she would understand why he did what he did
+Chara the Killer oh yeee
Chara the Killer yeah definitely. To bad he dies after that.
Kitty_Sophie123 no, YOU DID. FRISK did nothing... YOU pressed the fight button, YOU killed the monsters, YOU DIRTY BROTHER KILLERS. *glares at every genocider*
No, TOBY FOX did! He programmed it. That dirty brother killer. xD
Kitty_Sophie123 out of all the theory's that's the one I hate the most
the sans+toriel thing makes me a mad dummy...
Actully Toriel somewhere in her hunderads which just makes it worse XD
LizzBizzLikesPie lmfao so true
LizzBizzLikesPie Yes.
LizzBizzLikesPie actually, she's over 2000 years old, along with asgore.
Soriel make me a corrupted Chara
SANS IS NOT IN LOVE WITH TORIEL THAT IS A RUMOR. JUST BECAUSE A GIRL AND A BOY ARE FRIENDS DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE BOYFRIEND AND GIRLFRIEND, GEEZ!
I would know...
I see them more as cute dorks that tell each other jokes through a door. I think they're more just brother and sister than lovers, Sans is too lazy to commit to a relationship and Toriel still has eyes on Asgore. :)
If toriel x sans is a thing, all what sans needs to do is get that BONE In there. *poker face*
Toby proved sans to be fucking 17. Toriel is at least 40, seeing as the last soul to fall was 20 years ago (Integrity) and then it had to have been at least 10 years between the fallen souls, so 17 (sans’s age) + 20 + 10 = 47 so Toriel has to be at least 45 or older. A couple who is 17 and 45 is disgusting
Artistic Chocolate Paws I just see them more as brother and sister, they make better siblings than lovers :)
Pardon me, *pal* .
But Papyrus is indeed *very* cool.
You considered Papyrus uncool. Your argument is therefore invalid.
Armydillo Exactly what makes Papyrus cool?
Everything......
Yeah Doctor Alphys....
Papyrus: MYAH MA (sobs)
Sans: who said Pap isn't cool
AMEN.
anybody else want asgore and toriel to get back together or is it just me?
I do!
PcMasterRaceTrash -The_Top_Nep Me!
You're not alone.
I think that it might happen, over time. It would be nice.
Sans and Toriel are never gonna get together, bub.
DID YOU JUST SAY PAPYRUS WAS NOT VERY COOL.
WHAT THE-
HE IS LITERALLY THE COOLEST.
Matthew Hogan IKR
OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!
well Matthew Hogan he is because he lives in snowdin
HE IS THE GREATEST
Matthew Hogan the thing about papyrus is he's uncool to the point where in a weird way he's actually cool
Tweet from Toby Fox: "I guess begrudged pity is a kind of relationship yea"
Implies that Toriel felt bad enough to work with Asgore but not enough to actually love him again.
works for me
Just give it time
I don't think Toriel could really forgive Asgore, and I won't blame her.
Ashore deserve better
Nah that isn’t true💀 you came up w a dumb conclusion lmao
5:56 How. Fucking. Dare. You. The Great Papyrus is the greatest and most magnificent monster.
IKR
YES! Papyrus is the greatest and most magnificent monster! Signed, the handome, future royal guardsman profile pic.
Saucy Ben is HE'S THE BEST
Papyrus Is Love, Papyrus Is Life.
well papyrus toriel gives me a real bone-r
I want Toriel and Asgore to be together again
Soriel is so dumb
KittyKat181 thank you!
KittyKat181 yeesAAAAA
KittyKat181 yup
KittyKat181 exactly!
KittyKat181 *THANK YOU!!!*
just like to note:
Toby Fox said himself in a tweet that Sans would be too lazy to get into a relationship, so I don't get why people ship him with Toriel and many others.
unoriginal name Exactly.
unoriginal name I think it's because they both enjoy bad puns :/
unoriginal name lol that's sounds HALLQRIOUS sans will you marry me? nope WHY?! to mutch efffort
I think that was mostly just because he didn't want to be answering Shipping questions. Think about it, Sans really isn't that lazy. His brother calls him lazy for napping all the time but sleeping through the night isn't napping (he is napping during the Undyne fight but then he also was actively trying to avoid capturing you for his promise, could have faked it as an excuse to not help Undyne) Sans also has at least five jobs that we know of (three sentry stations, the judge, stand up at MTT, plus an illegal hot dog business, also something to do with science with his lab and timeline readings). He also actively loves and adores his brother, if he can love him why not someone else he cares about? To me anyone who works so many jobs while still making time to spend with his family and friends while also doing mind boggling science in his downtime can't really be considered lazy. Now maybe Sans just has too much on his plate for a relationship, that I would believe :)
Months later, he confirmed that all tweets are not canon
I ship Sans and.....
*ketchup.*
.........
(yay i guess?)
What do you mean
I guess
Best Ship 😂
mah otp
Tbh I just don't ship Sans with anyone sense it wouldn't work out anyway xD Why you may ask?
Sans has no lips. No reproductive organs, and Toby states he is to lazy to be in a relationship
PaperPlate I ship sans with something though.
Sans x Ketchup
And technically even if he did have lips or reproductive organs,Skeletons can't breed,So it wouldn't work.
True lol
Muffins The Trashy Fandom Queen oh yea lol
Yeah but most people dont care including me ( i am frans dont judge meh )
I assumed they never officially divorced. I feel like she just up and left.
This couple is practically immortal. I'd say it's high time they had their first real fight.
Oh, and I saw it coming when Asgore was revealed as her husband. The parallel houses, and all that.
Edit: Plus, I think their mutual love of Frisk as their child could bond them again, especially since it seems Frisk would form a special connection with Asgore (when you pick the flower tea in Undyne's house, for instance, she compares Frisk to him). That might help Toriel remember that Asgore is not evil, the husband and father he was, and perhaps even why she fell in love with him in the first place.
:O you gave me an AU idea!
Aww♡
I like to think that after a while on the surface Toriel ends up forgiving Asgore
Toriel x Asgore forever.
#stopgoatdadabuse
#stopsoriel
Aaron Cauch YES!!
Aaron Cauch sans is fucking 17. Toriel is at least 40, seeing as the last soul to fall was 20 years ago (Integrity) and then it had to have been at least 10 years between the fallen souls, so 17 (sans’s age) + 20 + 10 = 47 so Toriel has to be at least 45 or older. A couple who is 17 and 45 is disgusting
#STOPGOATDADABUSE
Asgore:were trying to get back together
Toriel from other room:NO WE'RE NOT
Asgore whispering:Were trying
Hey guys What’s As From Asgore + riel From Toriel?
Omg Toriel and Asgore were almost abbout to kiss i ship it
Toriel x Asgore
Forever
ASRIEL ASRIEL ASRIEL ASRIEL
...........wut???
Yass, Asgore x Toriel is my OTP
TronCreeper 477 otp
ToriGorey is my OTP too!!! 🐐❤🐐
'Papyrus is not very cool'
*triggered*
Papyrus is uncool
Yannis Jung say that to Sans and you’ll have a BAD TIME
0:05 sans
0:50 sans
1:31 sans (this one is very hidden)
5:02 sans
5:19 sans
5:35 sans
5:46 sans
6:01 sans
6:45 sans
(P.S. Underlab, why do you question the love for a goat and a skeleton, but not for a fish and a lizard/dinosaur?)
SansBirdie the Dreemurr I K I L L H I M
Well done on spotting the super secret Sans! I... never noticed it myself.
As for me questioning the relationship with Sans--I didn't say it was impossible, it just seems... unlikely, what with the circumstances of Sans being undead and all!
SansBirdie the Dreemurr YOU.......FAT BIRD
Gracie - ful
Gracie - ful njjjm
Papyrus is very cool
ASGROE X TORIEL IS MY OTP OML
also, Toby even said in one of his tweets that sans is too lazy to love someone.
luυxx ლ OML is that true? if its true...... soriel is krack 😄😄
DAYS on youtube yeah it is! Check toby's twitter, I can also send you a screenshot. And I hate Soriel :v
IKR ASGORE X TORIEL!!
But... Sans loves his brother :P
luυxx ლ True
PAPYRUS IS THE COOLEST SKELE IN THE UNDERGROUND- WHY DO YOU SAY HE ISNT VERY COOL?
Thank you so much for saying that a relation between a Goat and Skeleton will never work
Ikr!
But a relationship between a dinosaur and a fish monster somehow works.
And also, they are both female.
Theo C , So?
So, it just adds to the irony of a relationship between a male and female monster is wrong, but a same-sex couple is okay.
How does a goat Mom fall in love with a skeleton
Yeah but they are good friends
FireUltra 28 not in love though just pun buddy’s
You
|==|
Me
|=========|
Same way how goat mom fell in love with goat dad
Because of the....
B O N E (er)
PAPYRUS IS COOLDUDE95!!!!! WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT?!?!?!?
I think it was CoolSkeleton95..xD
Umm... yeah it is coolskeleton95
I think the best exploration of Toriel's feelings came from a random piece of fanart I saw on the subject once.
Toriel: "Hate? I don't think I could ever hate Asgore. But he hurt me, deeply..."
It's safe to assume that Asgore has always been the big softy we see him as. Toriel, likely, fell in love with this kind, compassionate and jovial monster. He's a bit naive and a little hopelessly optimistic at times, but he's all around a good person. Even when monsters lost the war with humans, Asgore didn't lose that kind heart he had. Not until his children were killed did he finally snap, and swear genocide upon humanity. He broke so hard and so completely with who he had been that Toriel, his wife, couldn't even reach him. He shut her out. She felt betrayed by somebody she trusted more than anybody else in the world. He betrayed everything he stood for, lost in his own grief.
Every time she sees him, she's reminded of that betrayal, and the pain it caused her. Every time Asgore tries to act like his old carefree and happy self, she sees it for the mask it is, hiding the violent cruelty she knows he is capable of, and it only serves to remind her of how painful that betrayal was. It'll take quite some time before the two are able to properly reconcile, but I DO think it's possible. At least, with Frisk's help.
I see your reasoning. This is a good comment, but there is one thing I'd like to say:
I myself don't think the kind compassionate jovial monster is a mask. He isn't trying to act like his old carefree and happy self. I think its quite the opposite. That violent genocidal Asgore we hear about is the mask he was hiding behind and that kind compassionate man is the real him. Everything I have seen on screen shows how kind of a man he really is, even after everything he has gone through. I guess he was already tired from the suffering his people had gone through and the death of both of his children was the breaking point. I think he tried to become that murderous man for his people and out of his own misery, but never actually could, because that's not who he is, so he put on that mask and forced himself to kill the humans. He was very reluctant every step in the way going into the fight with us too. At the end of the true pacifist ending Toriel said something about him being able to cross through the barrier after the first human soul was captured if he really wanted to, but instead he decided to wait in the castle hoping that no other humans fall down for him to kill.
Now I have only personally played one neutral ending, true pacifist ending and watched a video of the genocide ending (cant bring myself to kill goat mom). I don't think I have seen every pit of material the game has to offer, but this is the conclusion I ended up with, with this limited knowledge of mine.
Unfortunately, asriel had to go get him self killed.
Silly Dreemur.
Like honestly how dare he die
silly goat
It's so dang annoying when that boy gets himself killed, ain't it?
Imagen getting killed, asriel is such a noob
Toriel x Asgor forever ❤(I'm French I don't speak English ^^)
Actually pretty good. You get an A from a English speaker.
So true and it's ok
Bongur j’mappl jaden et twa
Tu ne sais pas parler français XD i know english and serbian too
Ya and f I was French I would never ever probably be able to learn how to spell or say English words also I would be too lazy to learn and also good job!
I do like Asgore and Toriel together, but Sans x Toriel.... I only see them as friends...
I-Regret-Nothing Yeah
I-Regret-Nothing totally
agreed
agree with u.😁
I-Regret-Nothing Agreed
"Sans is too lazy too love someone romantically." Says in Toby Fox's post on Twitter.
Maxinne Cassandra Ocampo also toby: deletes it
I ship Asriel...wait.....
pijin productions ayyyy lmao
Moment of realisation.
Asgore’s bad at naming.
Same
@@spartangoku7610 Nahh
I actually love the fact that they might still be together...
(dang you, soriel...)
*mention of Asriel*
nice ship
*mention of soriel*
TRIGGERED
Um Asriel is their son not thei- OH MY GOD
your my hero I had to correct 23 comments saying as-gore to-riel.
+OutragedComics oh my.
+Neon Wolf *coughs*
STOP SAYING SORIEl, I AM SO TRIGGERED
Toriel wouldn't be with someone with "blood in his hands", and less if that blood was the blood of 6 children that Toriel meet... she probably knew their names, their prefferences (cinnamon or butterscotch), what they wanted to be when they grow up...
Meanwhile, what Asgore knew about them is that they were humans, and that's it.
Meanwhile, Sans is a lazy ass, he wouldn't start a romantic relationship with anyone because a romantic relationship is too much work, and being parent is even more work... Also, he even tells you in genocide that "the surface wouldn't make him happy", meaning that he is not gonna do anything with his life because he would expect you to reset it again.
Toriel doesn't need to go with any of these 2 monsters, she could just be alone, or end with a third person, heck, she could even end with a human now that they are all in the surface.
pain giver, that’s actually reasonable though... sans was only killing the human repeatedly because, oh, you know... literally KILLING EVERY OTHER MONSTER.
Theoretically. It depend on us to determine either if their on the surface or dead, Same thing for if Toriel and Asgore get back or if Toriel goes with Sans.
You mean like how Sans would have literally killed you where you stood if she didn't say anything, and even then, lets you trudge on and die possibly an infinite amount of times under the guise of "keeping you safe"?
Or how her own son has literally slaughtered all of the underground, possibly multiple times, as Flowey for shits and giggles, and even tries killing you in the end?
Also, you forget the fact that Asgore despises himself for what he has done, and only did it to give his people hope of escape _so they don't die_ , and because his children were just then killed by humans.
Not saying that it isn't possible that she doesn't get romantically involved with either of these characters, but I'm fairly certain she would at least forgive the poor bastard.
zeoxdragon duz it look like I care SORIEL FO LIFE
some- *kicks down door* BODY ONCE TOLD ME
THAT YOU WERE GONNA TROLL ME! ( I saw that vid )
What vid it's a meme around the Internet
Also the lyrics are "Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me" in the original song. I don't know what parodies you're watching, but don't think it's the actual song.
I thought it was Somebody once told me the world was macaroni.
How the heck Sans and Toriel would kiss eachother? Like, Sans doesn't even have lips.
Do you think Toriel forgives Asgore by the end of the game? Let me know! Maybe Asgore secretly has a crush on the Snowdin shopkeeper? Who knows...
If you particularly enjoyed this video, please like the Reddit post! www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/5gmoyc/does_toriel_forgive_asgore_at_the_end_of/
I think nes
Underlab 47sec ago
Underlab definitely a interesting question ( by the way underlab thanks for replying to a previous comment means a lot )
Where did my comment go?!?!?!?!
Never mind...
I feel like Asgore and Toriel's story is the reverse of Eliza and Alexander Hamilton's.
You don't see how a relationship with a skeleton would work out? Duh. A lot of BONING.
*N O P E*
Sans 👏 doesn’t 👏 have a 👏 dong! 😃
Stereotypical-fix INC. I 👏 dont 👏 think 👏 monsters 👏 need 👏 it 👏 either 😃
I believe that Toriel and Asgore will go back together. I mean, if it IS my decision, I'll pick the best one. Logic.
#TeamAsgore4ever
Aw :3
X2
Ok, we're supposed to interpret the futures of these characters? ok...
Frisk: Post Genocide: KIlls everyone!
Pre Genocide: Lives in utter boredom with Toriel.
Toriel: Eventually remarries Asgore
Asgore: I just said this...
Undyne: Is arrested for mass assault on people who bumped into her on the streets, and dies in prison due to lack of water.
Alphys: Wracked with grief so she returns to the underground bringing several humans with her to do experiments on their souls.
Sans: Works as a comedian while constantly keeping Papyrus out of trouble.
Papyrus: Part-time cook at a 2-star restaurant.
Mettaton: reunites with napstablook and lives life in the limelight with his toaster girlfriend.
Mad Dummy: Knife enthusiast
Napstablook: Sad all the time
Monster Kid: Goes to school and hates every moment of it.
Whimsalot, Knightknight, and Madjick: form a mercenary group.
Vulkin: Hides out in bushes to greet passersby but accidently sets them on fire.
Temmie: Temmie
Aron: Paranormal investigator working shirtless.
And a whole bunch of other people I forgot the names of.
(blooky and MTT are cusions...)
Quonit37 yeah? What's your point here?
"Mettaton: reunites with napstablook and lives life in the limelight with his toaster girlfriend." Would you kiss your cusion?
Mighty Two-Headed Meerkat I don't really Sans is a comedian since he would just fall asleep while telling jokes, better at home laying on the ball-shaped blanket 😇😝
Quonit37 I'm saying that as Mettaton reunites with Napstablook and Napstablook now knows who he is, but Mettaton also has a girlfriend, a TOASTER girlfriend.
When I first heard of Asgore, I actually thought he was a version of Flowey. I still have no idea why. I thought he was a big, vicious Flowey. I guess it's because of the way Toriel described him and how Flowey just was. I was confused when Papyrus called Asgore fluffy, and I eventually realised, that before seeing him, he is not a flower. That would have been entertaining though, you have to admit.
I REFUSE TO SHIP TORIEL AND SANS.
Bluebell Gamer *YOUR NOW MY FAVERIOTE PERSON!!!! YOU SAID THE RIGHT THING!!! THAAAANNNNNKK YOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU!!!!*
Raichugirl gaming What? Does that mean you think they will, or won't? ...
Bluebell Gamer Me too
Bluebell Gamer Same,I mean there just friends.
That was one of many mistakes in Ask Drunk Chara
How DARE YOU say that Papyrus is not cool? You just earned a dislike.
Xander, the Powerful I killed like 60 papyruses
Xander, the Powerful TRIGGERED!!!!!
Kibi Gaming Your mom is triggered. But in all seriousness, it was a joke
illuminati nugget Fuck you. I don't normally insult people, but fuck you.
The reason I unliked was because of Papyrus being called "not very cool" XD
Asgore and Toriel forever
Tetra27 SANS X FRISK AND ASGORE X TORIEL FOREVER
you mean asriel? there names are mixed to make asriel.
OutragedComics i know that
Bluepaw Aj
Omg YES
#Frans4life
Tetra27 sans has no age so.. does it really matter>>?
5:56 **megalovania plays** WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT PAPS (I'm so triggered right now) jk no hate comments here. but srsly I think papyrus is very cool. he is the great papyrus!
One person pointed out how Toby mentioned ‘begrudged pity’ in terms of how Toriel treated Asgore after the story. Well, my counter argument is that we all know Toby can troll his fans just right to the point where we will have to wonder if that next bit of dialogue is going to be serious or *Annoying Dog intensifies*. It’s one of the beauties of his games. I’m perfectly willing to think what he said about Sans being too lazy for romance was serious as a hint for the fandom to take into account, but that one I think is a subtle troll. After all, Asgore is working at her school and in striking distance of the children both monsters and humans who interact with him, which she wouldn’t have let him if she didn’t begin to trust him again to some extent. On top of that, during Asriel’s fight, when you rescue the lost souls, the pairs you rescue are intimately related in terms of family or romance, and you rescue Asgore and Toriel TOGETHER, which implies a connection that still exists between them as family, which would mean their marital love.
Is she mad at him? Yes. Does she hate him? I honestly doubt it.
There's also an event in the true pacifist ending that suggest the two could get back together: Gerson hints that Frisk considers Asgore as his "dad".
If a kid consider someone "dad" doesn't mean they're together.
@@randomgravityfallsfan8761 Ok so I don't know what my exact thought was when I wrote this but since Frisk met them both in a short period of time, and he considers Toriel as mom, maybe meeting both Toriel and Asgore at the same time and seeing them as mom and dad would mean he sees them being together? Then again that's just Frisk's perception so I don't know
Am I the only one who ships Tosgore over Soriel?
No look at the comments...
Ruby Leaflin oh my goodness....
I call the ship Asriel XD
CookieFia No, I ship it too
CookieFia lol m8 Asriel ftw
i heard that toby said that Sans is not capable of developing romantic feelings for anyone
Draicor that's actually kinda sad...
When you realize that Asriel is toriel and asgores ship name as-riel
I`ᗰ Iᑎ ᗩ ᖴᑌᑕKIᑎG ᗯᕼEEᒪᑕᕼᗩIᖇ yes, they love each other so much that they name they’re son asriel
Asgore Is Bad At Naming
I really don't understand why Soriel is so common in the Undertale fandom!
There's no actual evidence to Sans & Toriel liking eachother in a romantic way, they are simply very good friends.
I made a quiz and i got thousands of undertale fans to play it, sadly Soriel is way more popular
Quonit37, Soriel is cancer to me, its my opinion tho.
Asgore doesn't seem to think they're just friends when Toriel and Sans are talking in the Pacifist ending; the poor guy is crying.
But yeah. They should be left as friends. Toriel is far too old for Sans (He even calls her an old lady) and Toby has said that Sans is too lazy for a relationship. That said, I don't really hate the ship, I'm actually rather neutral towards it and I can handle seeing it in drawings and such, but I can understand why others hate it.
+Memes4lyfe I don`t think its a bad thing but I don`t understand how its so common and how some people straight up think its canon somehow
+Minty Art Exactly, Sans just finds her an "old lady", they are simply just friends. Like Toriel could be hundreds of years old, keep in mind that she existed before Chara even came to the underground, which is quite a long time, and the only reason she hasn`t aged is beacuse monsters can`t age without their sons, otherwise she would probably be dead by the time Frisk comes by...
Sans on the other hand is probably not THAT old... Yeah there`s proof that he knew W.D Gaster in person which was also a long time ago but I don`t think that`s as old as the time Toriel existed.
I am also in the same side with you, I don`t hate Soriel but nor do I like it, I just don`t care about it really, it doesn`t bother me at all. What does bother me tho is how many people consider it fact when its not.
oh god please people, PLEASE HOPE THEY WOULD BE TOGETHER AGAIN!
I DONT WANT SORIEL SHIPPERS HERE PLEASEEEEE
Maybe you'll have to wait for the(possible) sequel!
Rainbows On Roblox I don't see many soriel shippers but i SURE see a lot of people whining and complaining about Soriel without giving a reason
Rainbows On Roblox TOO DAMN LATE
The Apocalyptic Event Of Ships | TAEOS.
Post this everywhere XD
ME?! NOT COOL?! YOU MUST BE JOKING!
Papyrus hes just kidding! Don't worry *hugs papyrus*
Papyrus dare you to change your gamer-picture to six-bones
HE MUST MEAN ME!
KILLEREAPER 666
UH... NO THANKS
Pappy have a bone-rific day!
I can imagine a wedding etween sans and tori 'you may now kiss the bride" *sans tries to reach her* *toriel bends over* tori gets smacked in the fave by sand face, breaking her nose" SHOOT TORI NO
Forgive, yes. Get back together....eh. With the amount of animosity she had for him, I think rebuilding a friendship would be hard enough, to say nothing of a romantic relationship. Then again, they are conditionally immortal, so maybe sometime in the far future.
I don't know if this counts, but in the theme 'Asgore', there is a part of it that is a remix of 'Heartache', Toriel's theme. I find it cute.
(Old comment I know) but if you listen to Toriel’s theme, there’s no leitmotif of Asgore’s Bergentrückung or his battle theme. I think this shows that Toriel has moved on from Asgore’s BS however Asgore is still caught up with his old life with Toriel.
@@CrowbarWomanagain if you look the ruins home it looks like new home almost every single detail
Toriel and sans must never be together!
Yes only sans and frisk make a cute couple
Adah Davis shut up your mout.
Adah Davis thats true
I agree!
Adah Davis I have to disagree THEY WILL BE CUTE TOGETHER
Oh, she is absolutely a hypocrite. She decries Asgore meekly hoping that another human wouldn't fall into the Underground, after she spent all that time cowering in the RUINs instead of doing anything about it-and it's obvious she could have, as Asgore is completely cowed in her presence, and the title of Queen is equal in power to King, not subordinate (both are derived from royal blood, not from marriage, so if she wasn't Asgore's equal as a ruler, she'd be a princess instead). She claims that he let the monsters live in despair, but she was the one who left her throne vacant; did she really think that the queen just disappearing after a tragic event would help give anyone hope? At least Asgore *tried*.
I think trying to claim that Toriel isn't a hypocrite is actually kind of degrading to her as a character, in fact. It's often said that characters need flaws to feel more real, and less like a simple narrative device. Without that hypocrisy, that level of maybe not actually being so different from Asgore, the idea that maybe she's not *right* to hold onto her grudge against him so strongly, Toriel doesn't really have any flaws. She could be replaced by a signpost that says, "Oh, by the way, ASGORE is a douche." Allowing her to be called a hypocrite, though, actually makes her interesting, in the same way that Asgore and Sans are.
*Papyrus, Undyne, Alphys and Mettaton are all schmucks.*
Not one of them brings anything interesting or unique to the game. They could all have been created with a simple T-chart. One column for "cool" traits, one column for flaws, boom, there's your character. They're all popular because they all fulfill some popular archetype and/or provide fanservice. But they'd all be absolutely empty characters without playing them on other characters. They'd be nothing if they didn't have Sans and Asgore.
The thing about Toriel being a hypocrite is that it's not as simple as just saying that she's a hypocrite. It's not a flaw thrown in for the sake of balancing the scales. Toriel's flaws are inseparable from her strengths. It's part and parcel of who she is. She shouldn't hate Asgore as much as she seems to, that's bad, but she does because of her conviction, which is a good thing to have. Asgore, likewise, does horrible things for his ultimate desire to give everyone hope. He's a coward, but is that even really a bad thing to be when anything you can do is horrible?
If you take away Papyrus's stupidity, you have a smarter Papyrus, but if you take away Sans's laziness, you no longer have Sans at all. That's what it's all about. Let's stop pretending that being perfect makes Toriel better.
Also, Soriel is trash and I have no mercy for anyone who ships it.
Tbh I didn't read the whole comment , but I LIKED THAT LAST LINE THO !!!!!
Chans is worse
@@shhsjszu *w h a t*
I don't ship Soriel...
COME ON FIGHT ME, LET THE SHITSTORM BEGIN
Power of L rude.
CookieFia
Coming from the weeb
Power of L look at your icon.
The Gamers Look at your icon
Ok.
I looked at my icon.
what now?
To be honest, I dislike Soriel simply because there is literally 3 things the two have in common: Love for puns, admiring Papyrus, and caring for Frisk (the promise). In fact, ((Spoiler warning! (though, why are you here if you don't wanna be spoiled?))) Sans cares so little about keeping that promise by the end of the genocide route, that he says "welp, sorry old lady... this is why i don't make promises." Also... he calls her *old lady*. He clearly only cares for her in a friendship sorta way. Kinda like being friends with an elder. Also, Sans isn't a boss monster, so he'll die before Toriel does. Not a fun relationship.
yes.
*****
true.
imagine what their child would look like..
//shivers
MilkLuvin' Weirdo I think the child would be like a goat-skeleton thing... skelegoat???
I don't even wanna think about it.
This is completely ignoring the True Pacifist dialogue prior to Flowey showing up. Sans arrives, Toriel greets him, Asgore starts crying, Undyne says that 'there are plenty more fish in the sea' and that Asgore should move on (and this is Undyne we're talking about, someone so blind to people being in love with each other she thinks RG01 and 02 and just really good friends even when you call her when they're eating nice cream together.) That kinda suggests a relationship in my book.
Oh and Toby Fox was really into not revealing spoilers on his twitter (even to the point of not ever mentioning Asriel by name) so him saying that Sans was 'too lazy for a relationship' really seems more of him trying to hide spoilers relating to the True ending and the real reason Sans had given up on everything(which would be spoilers for the Geno run).
I don't like Toriel all that much really but Soriel is canon, live with it.
I don't see how any of that suggests that Soriel is in any way more canon than this video suggests it isn't lol. Either way, I feel you're free to believe what you want... I would never insist it's one way or another when there's no objective proof of it.
So Undyne and Asgore both looking at them and thinking 'they are into eachother' does suggest them being a couple to you? I don't quite see your logic there but ok.
Sans calls Toriel "Old lady" You don't date someone you call Old Lady
Also, how is Soriel even Canon? You cannot say the maker's words don't count you doughnut Sans is too Lazy for a relationship. There isn't more to it, you cannot say "He's hiding spoilers" because there is nothing to spoil Undertale is done, he said he MAY make another but that isn't happening Soon and Undertale isn't one route like you act it is, In My Route Asgore and Toriel get back together Sans lives happily Papyrus, While in Yours it seems Asgore is left heartbroken over the Death of his Child, he has his own Wife taken away and Sans gets more than he honestly deserves.
Udl Master
Toby literally tweeted that his own tweets aren't canon. twitter.com/tobyfox/status/802150493992714240
Also, just because he's done making it doesn't mean that everyone everywhere has played the game and got the True pacifist ending. He was preventing spoilers for the game incase someone found his twitter half way through playing or something. I don't feel like that is something I should need to explain. Just because in your headcanon Toriel and Asgore get back together doesn't mean that the evidence to the contrary goes away. Toriel wasn't 'taken away by Sans' she left, whether or not she gets with Sans is irrelevant at that point.
But whatever, if you think Asgore will be happier in the long run with someone who is likely to bring up the fact he murdered 6 children everytime they get in an arguement rather than moving on and finding someone who won't emotionally cripple him with that memory then ok but I disagree.
When you accidentally kill Toriel so can’t nobody get shipped with her 🤪
Frank Murphy toriel doesnt have to die in order to prevent soriel
@@matthewaguilar3961
You’re right. Sans does.
@@ScottyAnimates
Genocide noises*
It's really hard to say. Toriel is such a beautiful and sweet goat mom. She deserves someone to love her, but after what Asgore did, forgiveness may not even happen. She may end up living the rest of her life alone, but she does have friends that care about her. Whilst I don't see Sans as a potential partner for Toriel, I do, however, see them as good friends.
asriel asriel... ASRIEL ASRIEL!!
Teen Frisk Dreemurr Please say that you ship Asrisk, if you do you are an amazing person.
I think they do because they were sad about the loss of two children and then one child by the name of frisk show up and make them both happy so they can start over with a new family.
You can faintly see Sans for a split second in the background at 1:31
5:50
Underlab: "Papyrus isn't very cool."
Me: "I beg to differ."
for fans out there the monster familly are just friends but it is possible for toriel and asgore getting back together
i just really want to destroy the sans x toriel
Bleach Windex me too
heh just like I want to destroy sans×frisk
its just to cringy
I want to destory Soriel and Frans too. 🔪
sans X ketchup
yes king ascore x torial
the two gamer's girls
pffft, is that a pun or you just not spell it right? :v
ehab amir
:v
"Toriel and Asgore were married A.K.A. semi engaged." LOL 😆
Honestly, I think Toriel owes Asgore an apology as well, considering she just sat around on her ass all day in the Ruins hoping humans would feel sad enough for her to stay, and then letting them die and waiting to the last possible second to do something. At least Asgore was actually, you know, doing something instead of running and hiding the second things don't go her way like a toddler.
ok imagine this you have 1 dog and one child you best friend or someone you care about has one the child and your best friends dog die in a car accident
after that you get a new dog and after less than a day your best friend or someone you care for in starts killing your dogs in grief of their own dying (it happens 6 more times)
tell me would you forgive them for killing all your pets
that is basically how the relationship goes for Toriel and Asgore
That makes no sense. They weren't Toriel's kids, just some random humans she tried kidnapping. I don't care if Toriel's some pacifist, so is Asgore, but guess what, when you have a job, you have to suck it up and do your job. I'm sure no one in a war wants to kill anyone, but if someone's coming at them, it's either they fight for their life or die. Judging by your logic, the guy should be put in jail or executed for that.
Edit: Also, rereading what you said, that makes no sense again because, why the hell would you kill 6 dogs when your dog died? That has nothing to do with anything. With Asgore, he's collecting souls to break a barrier,someone killing dogs is just...someone killing dogs. There's nothing to gain from that.
@@jamisonfawkes8406bro toriel abandoned asgore when she could have simply wait till he calmed down and helped him to change his mind or remove the rule or instead told him inmediatly about him just absorbing one soul of human and go outside to collect 6 more souls or atleast told him to modified the rule like if the humans who fell kill any single monster unless its self defense they would take their soul
Soriel? nope. Don't think Asriel and Chara would like it either, especially Chara...
Toby Fox said sans has no desire in love and doesn’t want a relationship.
*So, Frisk.
*D-Do you think Toriel and Asgore are ever gonna get back together?
*❤️YES NO*
• Bonnet • YES
NO PAPYRUS IS THE COOLEST MONSTER ALIVE!
I don't think she did...but that doesn't mean she shouldn't...
The simple fact is...Toriel believes in a very simple Moral Code, which this game completely throws out the window.
Both Asgore and Sans - as well as Undyne - were written to be more complex than that. The simple fact is, Life isn't Black and White, it's a lot more complicated than that - which is why the game's fighting mechanics are in Black and White, it's making a statement.
Video games usually are black and white; you fight the monsters, you gain experience, and you win the game...but in this game, it shows you a black and white screen, while giving you pieces and bits of the character's personality...and that bleeds through the black and white visuals, to show you what it really is...a diverse, complex of colors...
No one in this game is effectively "evil"...but like Sans says, "That doesn't make them completely innocent."
Each one has their own shades of Gray; for example, we have evidence that Sans, Undyne, and possibly even Alphys and Mettaton are responsible for killing humans - so to say that Asgore is responsible for killing 6 kids, is laughably naive. There's a damn good chance that most of them never even MADE it to Asgore. We know that the Bandana Kid was killed by Sans, the Ballerina girl was killed by Undyne, and it's most likely that apron-kid and cowboy kid got killed by Mettaton or someone else in the Hotlands - based on the locations where we find their items. All Asgore did was collect their souls, and put their bodies into coffins - most likely to give them honorable burials...
Am I trying to say that Asgore is innocent, or what he did isn't wrong? Of course not...What I am saying is, there are many various factors that went into Asgore's decision making, that make it more complicated than a simple matter of Right and Wrong.
For the one thing; BOTH of his children died in one night...one of them died of an unknown poisoning, and the other was murdered in cold-blood...Of course Asgore was going to be left in a wrecked emotional state. And in his anger, he's going to be make brash, hot-headed decisions, because he's not thinking clearly...
But beyond his own emotions; what ELSE was he supposed to do? We know from Undyne and from Asgore himself that he's a Pacifist - he doesn't desire power and he's not bloodthirsty...But how else was he supposed to react to Asriel's death?
Simply put...the Humans caused a completely unprovoked attack on a creature who didn't do any harm - just because they misunderstood the situation and perceived a threat. And they refused to do the one thing that every monster in the Underground will eventually do; they never relented, they never showed any restraint...
Simply put...they assassinated a foreigner, who was the member of a Royal Family, who refused to fight back to defend himself.
In essence...Mankind effectively declared War on the Monsters by doing that.
Asgore declaring war on mankind in the underground was literally the only action that the underground would've respected at that point. After all the peace they'd achieved with Chara...they got a reminder of just how bad humans CAN be, and they lost their prince because of it. Everyone in the Underground was angry and sad at the loss of Asriel - because as they said, "Once again, the Humans took everything from us."
It would have effectively been political suicide for Asgore to NOT have reacted the way people expected him to.
But more importantly, rather than causing War, Asgore's policy in the underground was more about inspiring Hope. He was collecting the souls one by one to make sure everyone in the Underground had a sense of optimism for the future; the thought that they'll one day get out of there and get up to the surface. Because without hope, the people would have no will to go on.
So yeah, I do believe that at the end of the Game, Toriel is being WAY too hard on Asgore for his actions, and she frankly comes off as a Bitch.
For the one thing; she chastises Asgore for simply waiting for 7 humans to fall down here, to collect the souls, when he easily could've taken just one, crossed the barrier, killed six other humans outright, and then shattered the barrier from the other side.
Except...THAT'S A REASON WHY YOU SHOULD FORGIVE HIM! Asgore didn't WANT To do that, because he never wanted to kill anyone; he was hoping beyond hope that another human would never fall into the underground, that way the war would be prevented. Had Asgore simply gone through the barrier, to get more souls, he himself would have to target and kill six innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with this - and he'd be invading someone else's land to do it. He'd be the intruder who was crossing the borders, and attacking people in cold blood.
Plus, once he got all 7 and freed the underground, he'd be expected to Steam-Roll Mankind with his god-like power.
But Asgore never wanted to do that...
All throughout their final conversation, Toriel is treating Asgore like he's a no good killer...when his actions show that he's literally trying to AVOID being a cold-hearted killer. Hell, there's an argument that can even be made that it's simpler for him to wait for a human to fall down, and kill them; because technically - 1; they are unwelcome intruders in HIS kingdom. And 2; he's effectively sparing them from a life of despair, knowing that they can never truly go home, unless they'd be willing to kill someone themselves to do it...
The worst bit of it, in my mind, is when Toriel calls him a coward for doing things the way he does. Because it's apparently cowardly to NOT want to kill people. The reason why this burns me up is because...all of this is Toriel's fault just as much as it is Asgore's.
Like I mentioned, Asgore's policy to kill humans and take their souls should they fall into the underground, was brought about due to his fragile emotional state; he just lost two children - the things he cared about the most - in literally one night, and worse, he's a leader, with the people's hopes and dreams resting on HIS shoulders; it's his responsibility to make sure the Underground functions. But like I said, the decision was brought about because Asgore wasn't thinking straight; and he couldn't do that given the emotional state he was in...
What do you think could POSSIBLY make this situation even worse? How about having his wife abandon him during all of this, instead of standing by him and helping him to work out his problems? Maybe instead of packing up and leaving, Toriel could've just waited, and seen how Asgore REALLY felt; then she could've helped him work through it. Instead, she makes a fucking judgement call, and decides to abandon not just her Husband, but the rest of the underground as well.
I actually think Toriel is the selfish one in this position...
She left Asgore as a complete emotional wreck; no children and no wife; his family completely crumbled around him, until the ONLY thing he had left to do, was take care of the people of the Underground. Of COURSE he's going to go into collecting souls more vehemently than this. (What I'm saying is; abandoning your loved ones during an emotional and identity crisis is NEVER the solution. You have to STAY there with them, even if they consider doing horrible things. Because without you there to help them through it, they'll always end up doing something worse.)
But even at the end, when Asgore thought his life was over, the only thing he wanted was for his Wife to come back.
And yet, Toriel treats Asgore like a creep when she sees him at the end of Perfect Pacifist, and almost half the fanbase treats Asgore like a Monster, while pretending that Sans and Undyne's hands are completely clean...
I'm tired of this hypocrisy, and I want people to give Asgore a break.
#asgoredidnothingwrong
I agree with you toriel was very close-minded at some point she did not think straight instead of calming him from his emotional state she rans away never to be seen again..
I think that WE decide if Asgore and Toriel get back together. Alphys asks us if we think they will. If we say "yes" then Frisk pulls some parent trap stuff and gets them back together (which has a double benefit according to my headcanon that Asriel/Flowey can only get a permanent soul (and therefore return to being Asriel) if he got it the same way he did originally. From Asgore and Toriel combining theirs. If they then gave this soul to Flowey, Asriel could return). If we say "no" then they go their separate ways and merely learn to tolerate each other.
Whatever you picked is what happened. After all, your choices MATTER in this game!
Ok Ik I'm late at commenting but hear me out
I personally feel like toriel and asgore would be friends rather than getting back together and my evidence is in the sequel deltarune (which yes ik takes place in another universe but there are still the same characters) if u head over to asgores flower shop he asks u to give some flowers to toriel and well when u do toriel responds "are these from him" while making an angry face, so what I'm saying there is a possibility they might get back together but probably won't be able to work it out properly.
And as someone who has witnessed multiple divorces between my parents/aunts/uncles I would know that even if u try to make things work it's mostly impossible which is why I think they would just be friends.
But that's just my personal opinion
Toriel does eventually forgive Asgore. Whether they get back together is unclear and I would rather leave it that way in canon. Toriel does try to get her romantic grove back on, with Sans in particular, but it just doesn't work out, until she actually forgives Asgore and herself, on top of actually mourning Asriel's death. Doing that might let her see things from Asgore's point of view.
More darkly Toriel has to come to grips with the fact she knew, at some level, Asgore was killing those children. Also if she truly knew him so well, especially during the time they had taken in Chara, that Asgore really did not want to kill those children or anyone. But this was a Father's rage left unanswered for so long, could on exist in the unconsoled grief of his son's death. Something for which Toriel would have helped him with along with Asgore being a sounding board for her pain over their son's death.
They need each other more than the other knows. and while Asgore had to make the hard decisions and take the hard actions as King, Toriel, I think, was being very selfish, and counterproductive, cutting Asgore out of her life and running away, and locking herself away. Apparently she had been away for so long than a whole new generation of monsters grew up never knowing Toriel even existed.
Again I think Toriel has to forgive herself more than she needs to Forgive Asgore. He was the one in a very hard position from a LOT of different angles, Father who lost his son, King who lost his kingdom, General who lost a war and so many people they could not afford to lose, a husband who lost his wife and son, ... daughter (Chara. Yes I think Chara is female. Frisk and Mettaton are androgynous), and his family.
Toriel bailed on Asgore when he needed her most. This basically means Toriel needs to be forgiven her faults.
But blame can go around in a infinite loop. Because Toriel locked herself away, no one really even remembers she is there, save a scant few, and Asgore will not force his wife to out, SHE is the one who has to forgive first. This makes her almost certainly responsible for Asgore's actions, by not being there when he needed her most, when was at his lowest.
I think Tori will forgive asgore
Saiful Islam agree
Saiful Islam I agree!
Sans would not be in love with Toriel because there would be no point. He knows that everything will be reset. Relationship progress, only for it to be gone. So, yeah.
I think Toriel’s point was just that if he wanted to break the barrier, there was an easy way to do it that he’s had access to for many years. It isn’t hypocritical given the fact that she’s saying he could if he wanted to, she explicitly states that she doesn’t want to hurt humans let alone kill them, and despite wanting the barrier broken as much as anyone else she doesn’t want to kill anyone. I think the people calling it hypocritical don’t quit understand what they’re talking about, if anything it makes Asgore a hypocrite since he’s called for all out war on humans yet he didn’t go past the barrier the moment he had the chance to before completely destroying it.
I don't ship Toriel and sans
Mavo 23 i hate it 😉
seriusly, it makes no sanse!!
DAYS on youtube same
Mavo 23 Toby even said sans is too lazy to be in a relationship with someone
HOW COULD A SKELLETON AND A GOAT MAKE A KID AM I RIGHT LADS?
How dare you! Papyrus is very cool.
0:48
Sans: Whatcha Doing? {Says Related Bone Pun}
A bit off topic, but you mentioned the ending being vague, so I have to wonder whether or not Toby went the Dark Souls route of storytelling, in that he purposefully left a LOT of the story vague so that each player creates their own story to fall in love with? It would explain the ambiguous genders, the vague implications of each character's truest traits, Gaster, Sans, Chara, human magic being contradictory, and the ending being rather abrupt... If so, perhaps this is a sign of a new trend with storytelling?
5:52 - 5:58
I assume you only talk in lies, then?
he's a liyer
That moment when Toriel and Asgore almost kiss but it's RUINS - Ed...
I'll just burn just like everyone who does genocide...
Thanks Sans...
np pal
Omg everyone chill about soriel. I ship it and Toby even said he is comfortable with all ships and he doesn't really care. Toby is nice enough to have said that. Ship whatever you want and don't give other people shit for shipping something you don't 🤕
👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
It sucks
nightshade animation i completely agree
Yea I agree. Ships are literally just other peoples opinions.
It probably would’ve also been good to mention that in the Asriel Dremurr fight, Asgore and Toriel’s lost souls are together which could also be a hint