@@Smeedia can you give me a list of some good e-tuners? I’m running stage 1 ots with a MAPerformance in my 2019 wrx and I keep overboosting the hell out of it.
I would say that stage 1 is just the tune with accessport and stage 1+ is ap with intake the +1 being the intake in stages. Stage 2 is downpipe and ap (cobb supported) and stage 2+ is air intake, downpipe, and ap (maperformance) no issues here with ap readings. Stage 3 bolt ons, flex, & other supporting modifications. Just my thoughts. Good video 😎🤙
Video randomly popped up in my feed. But I have a 2020 wrx. And I can assure you the rev hang was still there. Stage 1 tune made the driving so much smoother
Tanner, I just posted my son's Shinjin Tuned 19 STI on the 15+ group. SF intake, AOS and ETS catback 324@whp 354trq. And the AFR and temps are clean !!! I say this because if a tuner specializes in pops and flames, don't walk but RUN AWAY !!
Hey @Smeedia, I just want to make a correction on what you said: Stage 1 for WRX: you literally only need the accessport and flash it on all stock parts, not the intake. I know "opinions" varies, but if you consult forums and reputable tuners, they'll tell you that the intake is one of the LAST mods you should do. The factory one is actually very good up to ~400HP. Cold air intake is nothing more than a sweet noise maker and at most, you'll gain 5-10hp for a $300-$400 upgrade. You're better off spending that money on a AOS and TGV/EGR delete than an aftermarket intake. PS- I'm not biased. My WRX is a "stage 3" track-oriented car. And I have an aftermarket CAI.
Appreciate the input! When it comes to the FA I'm not too versatile with the modifications to them. Only ever had an Acessport on my old 16 WRX but always open to additions and more information to help out other owners!
I think it needs to be pointed out that peak HP is not the only thing you get with tuning. I have an 18 STI for example, and with a tune alone I didn't get much more peak HP, but I got a hell of a lot more power lower down in the RPM range. It makes the car noticeably quicker.
Your channel is awesome mate! Great for info on building my 2018 sti and I want a Stage 2! Only issue is convert USD to AUD and it turns to $5300 for a stage 2! 😑 Otherwise, keep doing what you do! From Aussieland! 🇦🇺
❤got 3 + hand built exhaust cat cack. &stage 1 suspention and stag3 transmission shorty wit all the bushings and a ACT street extrem stage2clutch. Dog bone and more . Great video bro.
Yes I wanna say the same thing finally somebody broke down base wheel horsepower stage 1 stage 2 possibly stage 3 because I asked so many other people on other TH-cam channels and nobody ever got back to me thanks again great video by the way
Hey man, awesome content, love the channel. I was actually looking the other day what stages I should buy, who to buy from, etc. I think it would be really awesome to do a video on Cobb's stage 2 package versus Grimmspeed stage 3 package. For like a stage comparison deal or more like what is the cheapest, yet most reliable way to get to stage 3 on a budget.
Watching this a second time and have to say, something that would really set this car apart from every other Subaru, and remember this comment is going back in time 🙄🤣. But yeah I think you should get the wheel nuts and the break calipers paint in the subaru blue. I think that would put so much class into your build
Nice having all these videos cause here in Saskatchewan don't have much time outside the garage ! In my opinion , after 4 turbo Subies and 6 engines my best advice is know exactly where you want to end up , but seeing as that's almost impossible in reality there's never an end to the build it's the journey not the destination ! Subie love is Subie love , in the end you get what YOU want ! I'm ok with someone just buying a new one and keeping it as is ..........just think if I did that with my 2002 WRX !
True, after 6 or 7 STIs now there really is no end to these cars. Knowing what you want from the beginning will help in building but 9/10 times you end up changing paths. It can be frustrating at times but you are 100% right that it is about the journey 🔥😁
@@Smeedia If you started with WRX then you would appreciate the extra power of the STI ! I used to think my WRX stage 2 was fast until I drove a tuned STI it's not in the same universe ! The 6 speed is the best most noticeable upgrade I've done !
@@bruceholinight7978 then trans is the biggest selling point, I've had 2 FA WRXs but both of them were only stage 1. The trans was one of the reasons I went back. I sold my 2007 STI for a 2016 WRX and only had it for about 6 months. I was not a fan of the cable style transition compared to the STIs. But it's good to know the insight between hownthebpiwer is displaced with the trans for a stage 2 WRX!
@@Smeedia Keep the videos coming never to many , the only gripe I have is I run out of gear real quick with the 6 speed! I think the newer STI has a taller 6th gear !
@@bruceholinight7978 always! And I haven't noticed this. Then again I've mainly only had STIs so it might be something I'm used to by now. Although my old p2 WRX 5 speed was nice for freeway driving with the longer gearing
Yes tune b4 anything Went with stage 1 with techworkz..also add q300 turbo back Within a month of what I thought was break in driving. I PUT A ROB OUT THE BOTTOM !!!!!!!! BE VERY AWARE
Im about to buy my 1st Subaru. Definitely looking at the Corsa sport exhaust. These cars won't touch raw American horse power but that's not why I'm buying one. All wheel drive and excellent on back country dirt roads with mud. That's where it shines. Any advice on tires? Mud and gravel tire
Bro...ur content is A-1. I'm all about education cuz I think that's how u make a reliable and track proven build. U put out vids that aren't just dime a dozen "look how fast I am" vids. If I started making them they would be exactly this. 1. Engineering Explained 2. Donut Media 3. Smeedia. Funny I haven't even seen a vid with u driving and I've been watching since like October 19 before I bought my WRX...but I'm still happily watching. If I can help u in the future in any way as a FA20 WRX owner building to provide insight to compare to your EJ25 lemme know. I'd be glad to. #Subiwave
First off thank you for the continued support! 🔥😁I'm all about providing information and date behind these points. Without the information they're all just opinion. Not that people's opinions have no weight but data is data. I am going to be doing some driving videos once the weather clears up in march. there is just so much rain and it gets dark at 4 that I cant really get any good ones right now. Congratulations on the WRX! how are you liking it so far? And I'll definitely keep that in mind for any assistance!
@@Smeedia ha I'm def not complaining it's dark AF by 5pm here in Colorado So i totally get it. LOVE the WRX! I feel I made the right choice being that of course I was eyeing the STI but I've always been a sucker for mid-range torque. It's sooooo useable in daily and AutoX. I ended up getting a Limited cuz creature comforts lol but it's an awesome vehicle, solid, responsive and fun in every gear. Only complaint is it's ghostly quiet vs my old car. Though it wont add visible power this thing NEEDS an exhaust. Have u heard about the preignition issues on the FA? It's making me want to rush to an AP but I wanna wait a lil bit longer to ensure the block is legit before I throw away the warranty.
@@Acrimoniousbear1 totally understand, I also got a limited mainly because I wanted the sunroof though 🤣 the low end torque in the WRX is FANTASIC for city driving but I hated the OEM Tune on the freeway. When it comes to the pre ignition issue, I've heard of it but have not looked too much into it 🤔
It used to be... slap a larger turbo, injector, fuel pump, fuel regulator and whack it. OR For those who are slightly loaded with money will go for forged internals, larger turbo, injectors, and bla bla support mods. Tuner / dealer nowadays “stage one intake + this + that” “stage two...” and so on.
We don't do 'stages' in the UK for our Subarus. Seems to be an U.S. thing for Subarus. Everything other manufacturer in the UK does 'Stage' tuning though, especially VAG
@@Smeedia No Cobb Support sadly on Subarus in the UK. They'll only support USDM cars. Just been through the whole Cobb debacle with a friend's Bugeye who bought one thinking it did. Cobb themselves confirmed no UK support. We get custom mapping done on ours, quite a few 'go-to' tuners about, Andy Forrest, Andy Carr, Duncan Grahame,
I wonder if my tuner is shorting me on horsepower. My 2017 WRX makes about 291 on stage 2 and he said I was making a little higher than average. Odd...
Hey, I love your content man. Can you tell me how reliable and good the mods I've done to my car are? I'm E-tuned (not OTS). I've done axleback delete, tgv (full) deletes, egr delete, ets intake (w/ airbox), grimmspeed charge pipe, grimmspeed ebcs, grimmspeed tmic I am going for reliability over power, that's why I haven't added a J-Pipe yet. I'm under the belief that all of my mods contribute to reliability, but also give me the fun turbo sounds I wanted. Kind of a good middle ground between stage 2 and stage 1. I'm wondering what you think of my build, is it safer (if I care about long-term reliability) to stop here, or should I add a J-Pipe since that's all im missing?
@@Smeedia Right on. Thanks bud! Yeah my car has 4500 miles right now as I type this. AOS install is planned for October when I have time to get down to the shop. I just don't want to do it myself. They did give me a quote for the AOS + J-Pipe + Perrin Turbo sump, all installed, with parts, $1800. Pretty fair deal i think, so I may do all 3 at once. They won't tune me though because of EGR/TGV deletes so I'll have to buy another e-tune from my tuner.
Power levels for the WRX are a little bit high. I have a '17 WRX with a Mishimoto race intake(recommended by the tuner), full 3" turboback exhaust, Grimmspeed EBCS, Perrin turbo sump restrictor and a pro tune at 17lbs and 20lbs on the accessport. So essentially Stage 2 with a couple extras. The tuner said my car hit right in the middle of typical car with my mods which mine came out at 277whp and 302ftlbs tq at 20lbs.
I've seen a few people post similar to your comment ranging from 270ish up to about 330ish interesting tone such a gap between cars. Also depends on the tuner, location and fuel. Appreciate you posting your numbers up for people as well!
@@Smeedia Not to mention the dyno itself(Mustang vs Dynojet). Should have mentioned I run 93 Octane and that is what it was tuned with. Going by all the race wins they have I'd say he is a decent tuner. Like you said though there are so many variables in horsepower and tq numbers. IF you interested this is a link to the Tuners cars just for fun. www.pure-tuning.com/pages/media/projectcar.htm
Question for you man! Just got a WRX 2016 premium. I need to replace the turbo. The car is bone stock. How essential is the access port? I’ve seen that ever since the epa cracked down on Cobb the access port is not that useful
When you have a 2015 wrx with an IAG stage 3 motor, perrin intake, block off plates, turbo back exhaust with no cats, v3 turbo upgrade, front mount intercooler, upgraded clutch and still only make 255hp. Feels bad.... :( Not to mention its my third motor. First two failed. 32k miles.
@@Smeedia Factory turbo with SocalPorting V3 upgrade. Guess I need a new builder and tuner. I've got $26k into this current build ( third motor ) Factory motor developed knock with 27k miles, first IAG motor started leaking passed the exhaust valves, but was replaced under warranty thankfully, or else I'd be $50k into this car, just under the hood.
So is that added power is that what your expected power total is like stage 2 can expect 315 max or will that be how much power you can get with that added so stock wrx is 268 hp will stage 2 push that only to 315 or will it go higher
My 16 Sti has a cobb sf intake, catless dp with a tomei. My tuner told me i could run these together fine without fuel upgrades but hed have to tune it to SAFETLY run them. But i wont be making the power im suppose to. Been over a year and had no issues :)
I'm new to Subaru and don't know much about cars but I recently got a 2013 STI. Is there a way I can figure out what's been done to it since I can't ask previous owners? I know the exhaust is different but not sure what type it is. There is also a Cobb sticker in the car...
Pull up a picture if a stock engine bay and compare to yours, that'd really the easiest way without having someone else look at it 🙏 Congrats on the car too!
Smeedia!! Do I need to take off the restrictor pill in order to go stage 2? I read the Cobb map notes and said this was required. Is it necessary? Thanks you’re the best bro
I just bought a 2017 wrx and i had no information really on what is done on it, it has all stock and not tunes on it but i noticed the exhuast sounded funny and it has cattless j pipe into a stock axle back Exhaust so its sounds super tinny and its stock with no tune, what are the steps you think to make it proper get cat back exhaust and the and intake and get it tuned?
I noticed you talked about the sti stock injectors and pumps not being able to keep up with the j-pipe intake combo for stage 2+, is this also the case with the WRX?
Be nice if they offer an update for the ECU for the guys that are still stock. Worst thing about my car.... only real reason i feel the car needs the new maps unless adding power of course.
Great video! I wish I could get rid of the stupid rev hang with out the AP. I have been asking the dealership for help and they said there is nothing they can do with out voiding the engine warranty... I just feel like Subaru dropped the ball on the 15+. I also wish I would've waited a couple of months to buy my wrx. If I would've known they got rid of the rev hang for the 2020 I would've bought one in October. I bought my 19 in September.....
super helpful video, but i’m confused on what happens when you install other parts that u didn’t list in the stages like a fmic or a bigger turbo or other engine mods
Is this accurate? My 2020 STI is stage 2+ (intake, boost control, fuel pump, injectors, downpipe, up-pipe, and flex fuel tune) making 340whp on E85. On 93octane, I made 280whp. Not to mention the beautiful external WG noise when boost kicks in. I am, of course, pro-tuned. My next step is turbo, headers, fuel rail kit for 400+whp. Not sure if those prices and estimated horse power numbers are all that accurate.
@@Smeedia loved my 9 just got to far into it on a drag build then babies started coming an didnt have time for it anymore. Wanted a fun awd turbo car still so bought a 10 wrx sedan.
New to the channel and searching for the right Wrx. Thanks to you I’ve decided on the Wrx seems a lot more for the price. Do you recommend going with a stage 2 kit like the Cobb or MAP? Do you have a video about the about that? I don’t know anyone that has a MAP set on a Subie but my buddy has a few on his Evo x.
Barely getting into the WRX scene and well just modding cars in general and I wanted to ask, you always say to go with a pro tune so where would we go about finding those? Like what retailer? Sorry for the noob question just trying to do my research:)
No worries I would start by googling Subaru pro tuners in your area. I would call and talk them about setting up a dyno tune for any mods that you have done to the car 😁
I have a 21' WRX and when my warranty is up I think I want to go stage 1. Will it make the power band smoother and help with any small rev hang that may still exist?
Ughhh personally all this “stage” stuff .... really grinds my gears... personally it gets me going when people say my cars stage this or stage that... but that’s just me ..thanks for the info tho
I agree with you and would rather just call the car what it is with the modifications. But Cobbs pushed the stage idea into the community that it wont fizzle out. Appreciate the feedback!
@@Smeedia Interesting okay... How about the part where Stage 1 provide 255whp for WRX and 250whp for STi? Don't they both come with more than that stock?
What’s the difference between stage 1 and stage 1 plus? Don’t you only need a access port to go stage 1? Also wanted to say 2020 wrx still has rev hang
At 6:35 he mentioned that the WRX will be about 315whp and the STI will be able 285whp ... I’m a little surprised at how the WRX can pull more. In conclusion if you want power, people should buy a WRX eh?
Between 300-400 WHp the WRX is easier because of the direct injection and the twin scroll turbo. Once you get past the 400WHP range the sti comes back out on top
I’m in the market for a wrx or sti... now it doesn’t make sense to me to spend the extra 10k on an sti when a stage 2 wrx hp numbers crap on sti stage 2 numbers lol
@@Smeedia 450 would be dope. I’m a little confused. Seems like direct injection puts out higher numbers. But then again I’ve researched that going above 400 hp with a wrx on stock internals is asking for trouble. I’m leaning towards an sti... what would I need to accomplish 450 with an sti? I’m gonna buying a 2021 soon... if you got a video on it shoot the link 💪
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BoostedQuickScope There is nothing that will outright “void” your warranty. Nothing. However, if something breaks, malfunctions, etc. SOA will try and most likely succeed in linking any and all hard part modifications/ecu tuning etc. as the reason for engine failure. Best advice I can give (I have a 2019 wrx and went stage 2 over 3k miles ago) is do your research intensely and then do it some more. Welcome to the subie fam and hopefully the tuning world bro, stay safe and mod smart
@@sleepwalkingonthinice__48 Question for everyone with wrx on tune. Did you use ots tune for the time being while driving the car into tune shop to get pro tune. Or did you install DP and Air intake and leave it stock until you arrived to get protune?
From a guy at Boost Controlled Performance, you can see upwards of 350whp and 340 ftlbs of torque. Going higher than 350 torque is what causes engines to blow on stock internals. You can obviously make around 400+ with e85 BUT you need upgraded pistons and conrods.
I like those white wheels! Also that 35 min drive for E85 is definitely worth it. Just fill up a couple of jugs and obviously don’t store it to long. Flex fuel was one of my favorite mods I did. The torque and power is so good!
I may end up going to E in the future but it's just a hassle for right now. Traffic is so bad on the way to the station 😅 the car would make a decent amount more power swapping over too 😫
I finally subscribed , I’ve been watching you for some days making sure your consistent legit source an now I’m officially a fan , Keep up the work bro !
Appreciate the support! Really trying to encompass all the information around the topics! Consistency is something that is also top priority to make sure the videos are going out 😁🔥
Smeedia yes sir No problem at all ! I don’t think you can find no video on youtube that goes into depth details like you do or go in topics like you do ,Your gonna make it far in youtube 🙏
I don’t even talk in stages but it’s easy to know what’s done if you say stage 1 Cobb. You don’t have to list every freaking mod that’s even more “cringe” than using the word cringe. You know what’s done and about what power it has.
Damn rewatching this video again in 2021 and seeing this version of the Bluebaru again is wild ! So much difference in the 17 STI now it has a 6 cylinder boxer engine !
Hey man thank you so much for explaining all the stages. I'm brand new Subaru owner just got a used 2017 WRX in blue and Manuel 2 weeks ago and my first manual car.
Driving three hours tomorrow just to go look at a 14 wrx hatch 5 speed manual with a sun roof for 25k hoping that its in mint condition so i can cop it ive been looking for one for a minute
Enjoyed the discussion. I have all the "stage 3" goodies from Cobb and a Process West TMIC. I knew pretty well everything you said, but it was still well presented and informative. Keep it coming man.
BEST SUBARU CHANNEL ON TH-cam HANDS DOWN!!!!
Thank you! Means a lot to hear it from everyone! 😁😁😁🔥
I have to say i appreciate it when you involve both wrx and sti. You truly are great with the info. ooooooo
Thank you! And I know there are both WRX and STI owners who watch so when applicable I try to include both 😁
I test drove 2020 wrx. They did not fix rev hang. Car hangs hard and car shakes scary hard 1st to 2nd.
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@@Smeedia can you give me a list of some good e-tuners? I’m running stage 1 ots with a MAPerformance in my 2019 wrx and I keep overboosting the hell out of it.
I would say that stage 1 is just the tune with accessport and stage 1+ is ap with intake the +1 being the intake in stages. Stage 2 is downpipe and ap (cobb supported) and stage 2+ is air intake, downpipe, and ap (maperformance) no issues here with ap readings. Stage 3 bolt ons, flex, & other supporting modifications. Just my thoughts. Good video 😎🤙
Go with Grimspeed stage packages and they’re quite different than Cobb’s.
Am confused because Cobb has stage 2+ j pipe, exhaust and intake with the access port that i guess Cobb support that
Yo what map should I download on my 2021 wrx with the big sf intake
@@roninelvrom3246 all of them
Video randomly popped up in my feed. But I have a 2020 wrx. And I can assure you the rev hang was still there. Stage 1 tune made the driving so much smoother
Excellent explanations. I did a Stage 1and 2 on my 2017 3.6 legacy. The best part wasn’t so much power but a smoother RPM range
It's cool to see a legacy owner in here! I'd love to see another legacy GT, or STi!
Tanner, I just posted my son's Shinjin Tuned 19 STI on the 15+ group. SF intake, AOS and ETS catback 324@whp 354trq. And the AFR and temps are clean !!! I say this because if a tuner specializes in pops and flames, don't walk but RUN AWAY !!
I just came across this channel just subbed man. I just got a 2008 wrx and your content has been a huge help
Eyyyy, appreciate the support and congrats on the car!
Got my WRX for a week now and I like that you include it on ur topics despite owning an STI. Much appreciated #subiebros. 🤝🙌🏽💯
Congrats on the car dude! 🔥🙌
@@Smeedia Thank u man I appreciate it. Keep up the great content. 🤝💯
Hey @Smeedia, I just want to make a correction on what you said:
Stage 1 for WRX: you literally only need the accessport and flash it on all stock parts, not the intake. I know "opinions" varies, but if you consult forums and reputable tuners, they'll tell you that the intake is one of the LAST mods you should do. The factory one is actually very good up to ~400HP. Cold air intake is nothing more than a sweet noise maker and at most, you'll gain 5-10hp for a $300-$400 upgrade. You're better off spending that money on a AOS and TGV/EGR delete than an aftermarket intake.
PS- I'm not biased. My WRX is a "stage 3" track-oriented car. And I have an aftermarket CAI.
Appreciate the input! When it comes to the FA I'm not too versatile with the modifications to them. Only ever had an Acessport on my old 16 WRX but always open to additions and more information to help out other owners!
Thanks for this info.
Hey yellow snow,
I am just a Subaru rookie but can you explain what an AOS and TGV/EGR delete consist of?
I think it needs to be pointed out that peak HP is not the only thing you get with tuning. I have an 18 STI for example, and with a tune alone I didn't get much more peak HP, but I got a hell of a lot more power lower down in the RPM range. It makes the car noticeably quicker.
Agreed, the low end is where we spend most of our time driving as well.
Thank you for you info bro! I just bought a 2020 wrx and I can’t wait to see how far I get with it with the info I got from you!🤙🏽
Congratulations on the new car! And feel free to reach out whenever 😁
Heck yeah man! enjoying every upload as they go🤙🏽
Your channel is awesome mate! Great for info on building my 2018 sti and I want a Stage 2!
Only issue is convert USD to AUD and it turns to $5300 for a stage 2! 😑
Otherwise, keep doing what you do!
From Aussieland! 🇦🇺
😳😳😳 so much more $$$ appreciate the support as well 🔥🙌
❤got 3 + hand built exhaust cat cack. &stage 1 suspention and stag3 transmission shorty wit all the bushings and a ACT street extrem stage2clutch. Dog bone and more . Great video bro.
Yes I wanna say the same thing finally somebody broke down base wheel horsepower stage 1 stage 2 possibly stage 3 because I asked so many other people on other TH-cam channels and nobody ever got back to me thanks again great video by the way
They are averages for WHP but somewhat in the range. Appreciate the support my friend!
Hey man, awesome content, love the channel. I was actually looking the other day what stages I should buy, who to buy from, etc. I think it would be really awesome to do a video on Cobb's stage 2 package versus Grimmspeed stage 3 package. For like a stage comparison deal or more like what is the cheapest, yet most reliable way to get to stage 3 on a budget.
Not a bad idea to compare the two! 🤔
Very informative breakdown! Thanks for this! Love the content and love to see you finally getting the attention deserved!
Thank you the continued support has been awesome! 🔥 It's been awesome watching the channel grow and interacting with everyone! 😁
Watching this a second time and have to say, something that would really set this car apart from every other Subaru, and remember this comment is going back in time 🙄🤣. But yeah I think you should get the wheel nuts and the break calipers paint in the subaru blue. I think that would put so much class into your build
Nice having all these videos cause here in Saskatchewan don't have much time outside the garage ! In my opinion , after 4 turbo Subies and 6 engines my best advice is know exactly where you want to end up , but seeing as that's almost impossible in reality there's never an end to the build it's the journey not the destination ! Subie love is Subie love , in the end you get what YOU want ! I'm ok with someone just buying a new one and keeping it as is ..........just think if I did that with my 2002 WRX !
True, after 6 or 7 STIs now there really is no end to these cars. Knowing what you want from the beginning will help in building but 9/10 times you end up changing paths. It can be frustrating at times but you are 100% right that it is about the journey 🔥😁
@@Smeedia If you started with WRX then you would appreciate the extra power of the STI ! I used to think my WRX stage 2 was fast until I drove a tuned STI it's not in the same universe ! The 6 speed is the best most noticeable upgrade I've done !
@@bruceholinight7978 then trans is the biggest selling point, I've had 2 FA WRXs but both of them were only stage 1. The trans was one of the reasons I went back. I sold my 2007 STI for a 2016 WRX and only had it for about 6 months. I was not a fan of the cable style transition compared to the STIs. But it's good to know the insight between hownthebpiwer is displaced with the trans for a stage 2 WRX!
@@Smeedia Keep the videos coming never to many , the only gripe I have is I run out of gear real quick with the 6 speed! I think the newer STI has a taller 6th gear !
@@bruceholinight7978 always! And I haven't noticed this. Then again I've mainly only had STIs so it might be something I'm used to by now. Although my old p2 WRX 5 speed was nice for freeway driving with the longer gearing
Yes tune b4 anything
Went with stage 1 with techworkz..also add q300 turbo back
Within a month of what I thought was break in driving. I PUT A ROB OUT THE BOTTOM !!!!!!!! BE VERY AWARE
Should read rod out the block with no explanation!
Killing it with the content my dude.
Keeping it coming 🔥
Stage 1- 1:56
Stage 2- 5:51
Stage 3- 9:37
timestamp if anybody needs :)
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@@Smeedia thanks for uploading these vids they are very informal and have helped me learn more about my wrx 🙏
Thanks for this.
Anytime!
Im about to buy my 1st Subaru. Definitely looking at the Corsa sport exhaust. These cars won't touch raw American horse power but that's not why I'm buying one. All wheel drive and excellent on back country dirt roads with mud. That's where it shines. Any advice on tires? Mud and gravel tire
For etunes I suggest Eric minehart with torqued performance my 2011 wrx with its mild build and is going great
I second this!
Bro...ur content is A-1. I'm all about education cuz I think that's how u make a reliable and track proven build. U put out vids that aren't just dime a dozen "look how fast I am" vids. If I started making them they would be exactly this.
1. Engineering Explained 2. Donut Media 3. Smeedia.
Funny I haven't even seen a vid with u driving and I've been watching since like October 19 before I bought my WRX...but I'm still happily watching. If I can help u in the future in any way as a FA20 WRX owner building to provide insight to compare to your EJ25 lemme know. I'd be glad to. #Subiwave
First off thank you for the continued support! 🔥😁I'm all about providing information and date behind these points. Without the information they're all just opinion. Not that people's opinions have no weight but data is data. I am going to be doing some driving videos once the weather clears up in march. there is just so much rain and it gets dark at 4 that I cant really get any good ones right now. Congratulations on the WRX! how are you liking it so far? And I'll definitely keep that in mind for any assistance!
@@Smeedia ha I'm def not complaining it's dark AF by 5pm here in Colorado So i totally get it.
LOVE the WRX! I feel I made the right choice being that of course I was eyeing the STI but I've always been a sucker for mid-range torque. It's sooooo useable in daily and AutoX. I ended up getting a Limited cuz creature comforts lol but it's an awesome vehicle, solid, responsive and fun in every gear. Only complaint is it's ghostly quiet vs my old car. Though it wont add visible power this thing NEEDS an exhaust.
Have u heard about the preignition issues on the FA? It's making me want to rush to an AP but I wanna wait a lil bit longer to ensure the block is legit before I throw away the warranty.
@@Acrimoniousbear1 totally understand, I also got a limited mainly because I wanted the sunroof though 🤣 the low end torque in the WRX is FANTASIC for city driving but I hated the OEM Tune on the freeway. When it comes to the pre ignition issue, I've heard of it but have not looked too much into it 🤔
Was planning on buying a 2019 wrx but many people told me that the cars transmission will eventually blow. On most websites it says the same thing
It used to be... slap a larger turbo, injector, fuel pump, fuel regulator and whack it.
OR
For those who are slightly loaded with money will go for forged internals, larger turbo, injectors, and bla bla support mods.
Tuner / dealer nowadays “stage one intake + this + that” “stage two...” and so on.
Can I run a Cobb intake + the stage 2 set up on my 2009 WRX? I know you said 2015+ was a no go.
Yes you can 🙏
We don't do 'stages' in the UK for our Subarus. Seems to be an U.S. thing for Subarus. Everything other manufacturer in the UK does 'Stage' tuning though, especially VAG
Interesting, does Cobb support UK based cars? I think they are the ones who really made the push for the stage idea
@@Smeedia No Cobb Support sadly on Subarus in the UK. They'll only support USDM cars. Just been through the whole Cobb debacle with a friend's Bugeye who bought one thinking it did. Cobb themselves confirmed no UK support.
We get custom mapping done on ours, quite a few 'go-to' tuners about, Andy Forrest, Andy Carr, Duncan Grahame,
Doesn't stage 3 generally include a bigger turbo?
Typically no, once you've surpassed the stage 3 fuel mods your generally out of the range 😅
Generally speaking, that would exceed the stage debate and move you straight to "Big Turbo".
this was great and thank you for breaking it all down with the costs. Would you consider an upgraded header? I hear it can boost your power.
Yes, depending on how much power you want to make its a great way to make more power 🔥🙏
I have a 2013 wrx and am itching to do Cobb intake, Cobb tuner, and downpipe. Any advice?
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I wonder if my tuner is shorting me on horsepower. My 2017 WRX makes about 291 on stage 2 and he said I was making a little higher than average. Odd...
What's the difference between the cobb stage 1 and stage 1+ tunes?
Hey, I love your content man. Can you tell me how reliable and good the mods I've done to my car are? I'm E-tuned (not OTS). I've done axleback delete, tgv (full) deletes, egr delete, ets intake (w/ airbox), grimmspeed charge pipe, grimmspeed ebcs, grimmspeed tmic
I am going for reliability over power, that's why I haven't added a J-Pipe yet. I'm under the belief that all of my mods contribute to reliability, but also give me the fun turbo sounds I wanted. Kind of a good middle ground between stage 2 and stage 1. I'm wondering what you think of my build, is it safer (if I care about long-term reliability) to stop here, or should I add a J-Pipe since that's all im missing?
Thr J pipe won't hurt your reliability and I'd highly suggest snagging one. I'd also highly suggest adding in an IAG AOS but your on the right track 😁
@@Smeedia Right on. Thanks bud! Yeah my car has 4500 miles right now as I type this. AOS install is planned for October when I have time to get down to the shop. I just don't want to do it myself. They did give me a quote for the AOS + J-Pipe + Perrin Turbo sump, all installed, with parts, $1800. Pretty fair deal i think, so I may do all 3 at once. They won't tune me though because of EGR/TGV deletes so I'll have to buy another e-tune from my tuner.
Power levels for the WRX are a little bit high. I have a '17 WRX with a Mishimoto race intake(recommended by the tuner), full 3" turboback exhaust, Grimmspeed EBCS, Perrin turbo sump restrictor and a pro tune at 17lbs and 20lbs on the accessport. So essentially Stage 2 with a couple extras. The tuner said my car hit right in the middle of typical car with my mods which mine came out at 277whp and 302ftlbs tq at 20lbs.
I've seen a few people post similar to your comment ranging from 270ish up to about 330ish interesting tone such a gap between cars. Also depends on the tuner, location and fuel. Appreciate you posting your numbers up for people as well!
@@Smeedia Not to mention the dyno itself(Mustang vs Dynojet). Should have mentioned I run 93 Octane and that is what it was tuned with. Going by all the race wins they have I'd say he is a decent tuner. Like you said though there are so many variables in horsepower and tq numbers. IF you interested this is a link to the Tuners cars just for fun. www.pure-tuning.com/pages/media/projectcar.htm
@@vtecrkp Very good point I totally spaced on the Dyno itself, Ill check the link out when I get home from work!
Question for you man! Just got a WRX 2016 premium. I need to replace the turbo. The car is bone stock. How essential is the access port? I’ve seen that ever since the epa cracked down on Cobb the access port is not that useful
If you plan on keeping thr cat stock I wouldent snag one. But if modifying is thr plan. Definitely snag one
When you have a 2015 wrx with an IAG stage 3 motor, perrin intake, block off plates, turbo back exhaust with no cats, v3 turbo upgrade, front mount intercooler, upgraded clutch and still only make 255hp. Feels bad.... :( Not to mention its my third motor. First two failed. 32k miles.
Why so little HP from a stage 3 block?! 😫
What turbo are you running?
@@Smeedia Factory turbo with SocalPorting V3 upgrade. Guess I need a new builder and tuner. I've got $26k into this current build ( third motor ) Factory motor developed knock with 27k miles, first IAG motor started leaking passed the exhaust valves, but was replaced under warranty thankfully, or else I'd be $50k into this car, just under the hood.
So is that added power is that what your expected power total is like stage 2 can expect 315 max or will that be how much power you can get with that added so stock wrx is 268 hp will stage 2 push that only to 315 or will it go higher
My 16 Sti has a cobb sf intake, catless dp with a tomei. My tuner told me i could run these together fine without fuel upgrades but hed have to tune it to SAFETLY run them. But i wont be making the power im suppose to. Been over a year and had no issues :)
Damn your car must be loud af lol
Walou3 yup. Check the vid on my channel
I'm new to Subaru and don't know much about cars but I recently got a 2013 STI. Is there a way I can figure out what's been done to it since I can't ask previous owners? I know the exhaust is different but not sure what type it is. There is also a Cobb sticker in the car...
Pull up a picture if a stock engine bay and compare to yours, that'd really the easiest way without having someone else look at it 🙏
Congrats on the car too!
Smeedia!! Do I need to take off the restrictor pill in order to go stage 2? I read the Cobb map notes and said this was required. Is it necessary?
Thanks you’re the best bro
Yessir, gling to be needed to remove it
Tbh... I think the " stage " thing is turbo car thing. Audis, bmws, Volkswagen, subaru etc
I just bought a 2017 wrx and i had no information really on what is done on it, it has all stock and not tunes on it but i noticed the exhuast sounded funny and it has cattless j pipe into a stock axle back Exhaust so its sounds super tinny and its stock with no tune, what are the steps you think to make it proper get cat back exhaust and the and intake and get it tuned?
Definitely add a resonator, will help to clean up the ting sounds, catback, intake and you can just use an OTS Tune 🙏
I noticed you talked about the sti stock injectors and pumps not being able to keep up with the j-pipe intake combo for stage 2+, is this also the case with the WRX?
This is not the case for the WRX, the DI is capable of handling much more
@@Smeedia That's what I figured, I appreciate the quick reply bro.
Be nice if they offer an update for the ECU for the guys that are still stock. Worst thing about my car.... only real reason i feel the car needs the new maps unless adding power of course.
They should but I dont think it's something that's really on the docket for them 😫
Can you talk about Pro tunes and what to expect and prices for parts? Totally clueless on this topic.
Yes I will add it to the list 😁
Im running cobb big sf intake process west verticooler with charge pipe boom a bpv grimspeed 3port bsc and muffler delete what stage am i ? Lol
Im confused why are all the numbers fir the wrx higher than the sti....hea gotta be mixing the nimbers up my 17 sti stock is 305 hp 290lb ft torque
WHP vs Crank, your STI makes 305 Crank (which translated to about 260 wheel)
Think of it like crank horsepower- taxes = WHP
Definitely information.
Thank you! 😁
What’s the power output (WHP) for a 2002 wrx stage 2 with a front mount ? Stock turbo
I'd say about 270 or so
I like this channel.. the best . Gracias amigo.
Thank you my man 🙏 appreciate the support 🔥😁
If I get a pro tune will i need a Cobb AP? Might be stupid, I’m still learning, gonna get a Subaru over the summer
Yes you will. Most tuners use access tuner which works with thr access port 🙏
@@Smeedia Thanks man!
Great video! I wish I could get rid of the stupid rev hang with out the AP. I have been asking the dealership for help and they said there is nothing they can do with out voiding the engine warranty... I just feel like Subaru dropped the ball on the 15+. I also wish I would've waited a couple of months to buy my wrx. If I would've known they got rid of the rev hang for the 2020 I would've bought one in October. I bought my 19 in September.....
I would just wait until your out of your waranty then snag an AP to remove it. The car feels a lot better with the rev hang removed.
They got rid of it on the 20s? First time hearing this...
Rev hang still there on my 2020 as compared to a 2019 wrx. Maybe slightly less but not noticable.
super helpful video, but i’m confused on what happens when you install other parts that u didn’t list in the stages like a fmic or a bigger turbo or other engine mods
does it fall into one of the 3 stages or
Stages are mainly used for vendors to sell packaged parts, once you go outside of that it's just modifying the car 🙏
Is this accurate? My 2020 STI is stage 2+ (intake, boost control, fuel pump, injectors, downpipe, up-pipe, and flex fuel tune) making 340whp on E85. On 93octane, I made 280whp. Not to mention the beautiful external WG noise when boost kicks in. I am, of course, pro-tuned.
My next step is turbo, headers, fuel rail kit for 400+whp.
Not sure if those prices and estimated horse power numbers are all that accurate.
Sounds about right, what turbo are you looking into?
@@Smeedia FP Green
New the subie, so the stages thing is new. Coming from a evo 9 thanks for the info
How did the like the Evo? Almost bought an Evo 9 MR a few years back
@@Smeedia loved my 9 just got to far into it on a drag build then babies started coming an didnt have time for it anymore. Wanted a fun awd turbo car still so bought a 10 wrx sedan.
‘‘Tis May have been done already but... equal length or unequal length headers for wrx? For those that still want the rumble?
Have it written down and we will get it done on the next few weeks 😁
New to the channel and searching for the right Wrx. Thanks to you I’ve decided on the Wrx seems a lot more for the price. Do you recommend going with a stage 2 kit like the Cobb or MAP? Do you have a video about the about that? I don’t know anyone that has a MAP set on a Subie but my buddy has a few on his Evo x.
Alot of subaru owners go with MAP, personally I've always used Cobb but OTS Tunes have always been a temporary set up. 🙏😁
@@Smeedia that’s what I figured. Thanks for the advice , I’ll be running the OTS just to drive it to the shop 🤣.
Where would fmic and headers fit in to the stages?
Thats outside the realm of stages, staged are mainly used as a marketing tool by manufacturers for their parts packages
Great content. Thanks!
Thank you! 😁
Does anyone know if the MAPerformance stage 2 OTS tune is a good one? Using their intake and down pipe of course.
If your using their parts with it you should be good 👍
Then after your stock bottom end/rods/pistons and everything else goes bang, you learn that the next stage is forgies or bin
I saw the cobb power package stage 1 and 2 at subispeed its say for sti..can i install it on wrx?
No, diffrent parts 🙏
Barely getting into the WRX scene and well just modding cars in general and I wanted to ask, you always say to go with a pro tune so where would we go about finding those? Like what retailer? Sorry for the noob question just trying to do my research:)
No worries I would start by googling Subaru pro tuners in your area. I would call and talk them about setting up a dyno tune for any mods that you have done to the car 😁
Smeedia Thanks a lot, appreciate it!
I just bought a 2021 sti.what octane gas should I run?
91 thru 93 whatever is available in your area
I have a 21' WRX and when my warranty is up I think I want to go stage 1. Will it make the power band smoother and help with any small rev hang that may still exist?
Definitely will help clean it all up and make it more smooth 🔥
So do these stages count just for the newer subies?
The newer ones still follow the same principle
Are there any negative with getting a stage 1 or stage 2?
Hows the mpg compared to stock? Will there be any problems passing smogs?
MPG shouldent be effected too much, as for smog I honestly don't know 😪 no real downsides as long as you follow the map notes.🙏
Ughhh personally all this “stage” stuff .... really grinds my gears... personally it gets me going when people say my cars stage this or stage that... but that’s just me ..thanks for the info tho
I agree with you and would rather just call the car what it is with the modifications. But Cobbs pushed the stage idea into the community that it wont fizzle out. Appreciate the feedback!
So I have a 2020 wrx with, high flow j pipe, full subí speed exhaust and upgraded fuel pump. Should I be running a stage 3 on access port???
Stage 2 🙏
@@Smeedia thanks bro I appreciate it! I messaged and followed you on Instagram as well!
I don't understand the hp numbers mentioned for the WRX and STi... How is the WRX outcome more? Can someone explain if I'm misunderstanding?
The WRX uses direct Injection. Up to 350WHP it's easier for thr wrx to make power
@@Smeedia Interesting okay... How about the part where Stage 1 provide 255whp for WRX and 250whp for STi? Don't they both come with more than that stock?
@@iiamkerr4698 your think of BHP which is measured at the crank vs measured at the wheels. For awd cars you can expect a 20%ish drive train loss
@@Smeedia Ahhhh gotcha… This was very helpful 🙏 thanks
and with the stage 3 you can use intake right?
Yes
What’s the difference between stage 1 and stage 1 plus? Don’t you only need a access port to go stage 1? Also wanted to say 2020 wrx still has rev hang
Stage 1 is an intake
Stage 1 plus is intake + catback 🙏😁
Whoops, I just dropped my stock intake. Not like I'm gonna use that anymore
1 year later...
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At 6:35 he mentioned that the WRX will be about 315whp and the STI will be able 285whp ... I’m a little surprised at how the WRX can pull more. In conclusion if you want power, people should buy a WRX eh?
Between 300-400 WHp the WRX is easier because of the direct injection and the twin scroll turbo. Once you get past the 400WHP range the sti comes back out on top
I’m in the market for a wrx or sti... now it doesn’t make sense to me to spend the extra 10k on an sti when a stage 2 wrx hp numbers crap on sti stage 2 numbers lol
Whats your end goal for power? For anything over 450 I'd suggest an STI
@@Smeedia 450 would be dope. I’m a little confused. Seems like direct injection puts out higher numbers. But then again I’ve researched that going above 400 hp with a wrx on stock internals is asking for trouble. I’m leaning towards an sti... what would I need to accomplish 450 with an sti? I’m gonna buying a 2021 soon... if you got a video on it shoot the link 💪
I've got you 🔥
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I have the stage one , to get the TBE I would need to get the fuel set up first , or can I get it and protuned with the stock fuel setup ?
If your a 2015+ STI then yes you will need fuel upgrades
Could you explain me what I need for my 2017 wrx for stage 3
Essentially just a fuel pump, turbo back and intake on the FA20 🙏
I just bought cobb tunner. I already put a cold air intake in my 2019 wrx. Will it be ok doing the stage one tune?
So what stage would I run with a AP on my car if I have an exhaust and cold air intake. I don’t want to mess my car up.
Which intake? 🙏
@@Smeedia Cobb I put it on a stage 1 91 octane
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3. Cobb access port and rally amour mud flaps
4. Blown head gaskets
Buy Wrx then with weaker transmission...
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You missed the stage with all the bolt ons with no supporting mods and going WOT in 4th,5th, or 6th gear at 2k rpms.
stage 4, cams/springs/valves, forged internals. stage 5, stripped out interior and rollcage ;)
Stage 6 carbon fiber panels, and carbon fiber wheels
I have a stage 2 wrx and dang it is amazing over a stock one
Brandon I have a 2013 wrx with a stage 2 pro tune and I’m pushing 330
does stage 2 + from cobb void dealer warranty? just got a 2020 wrx
BoostedQuickScope There is nothing that will outright “void” your warranty. Nothing. However, if something breaks, malfunctions, etc. SOA will try and most likely succeed in linking any and all hard part modifications/ecu tuning etc. as the reason for engine failure. Best advice I can give (I have a 2019 wrx and went stage 2 over 3k miles ago) is do your research intensely and then do it some more. Welcome to the subie fam and hopefully the tuning world bro, stay safe and mod smart
@@sleepwalkingonthinice__48 Question for everyone with wrx on tune. Did you use ots tune for the time being while driving the car into tune shop to get pro tune. Or did you install DP and Air intake and leave it stock until you arrived to get protune?
Yes 3 videos a week. Finally get more amazing content a week. Keep up the amazing work. The vlogs will be a great addition content
Been excited to get 3 going! The vlogs will probably be weird at first but will grow into them 😅
FINALLY!!! An explanation of the stages. I've heard the term thrown around on various cars, but never understood what they meant. Great video!!
Thank you and glad that it was able to clear the air a bit! 😁
Posting straight fire lately. Love the informative content man!
Thank you 🔥😁
100% agree !!
@@Smeedia no THANK YOU
Stage 3 on e85 you should be making close to 400whp. Even doing the cobb flex fuel you get easily 100hp
Kris Hernandez I agree. This happened to my wrx after I went flex
Subaru owner for 13 years here. Your information on the stages is pretty good. I'm sub'd. And thank you for not using any vape....
Thanks for the support! And I know the struggle, been messing with subarus for 8ish years now. Dont vape or any of that.
@@Smeedia long live the rumble!
He said "I threw up on my Instagram" and I started dying laughing 😂😭
😅😅😅 when I was editing that, I immediately thought "well that was not the best word choice" 🤣🤣🤣
literally same
Man I love your energy! Keep it up...Oouu!!
I have to bring down the energy a little for the videos lol I'm always pumped! Love the feedback and the support! 🔥😁
From a guy at Boost Controlled Performance, you can see upwards of 350whp and 340 ftlbs of torque. Going higher than 350 torque is what causes engines to blow on stock internals. You can obviously make around 400+ with e85 BUT you need upgraded pistons and conrods.
Doesn't 2020 sti have forged pistons?
No, just a redesigned cast
I like those white wheels! Also that 35 min drive for E85 is definitely worth it. Just fill up a couple of jugs and obviously don’t store it to long. Flex fuel was one of my favorite mods I did. The torque and power is so good!
I may end up going to E in the future but it's just a hassle for right now. Traffic is so bad on the way to the station 😅 the car would make a decent amount more power swapping over too 😫
@@Smeedia Once you start running low on video topics i bet you go e85 😂.
I finally subscribed , I’ve been watching you for some days making sure your consistent legit source an now I’m officially a fan , Keep up the work bro !
Appreciate the support! Really trying to encompass all the information around the topics! Consistency is something that is also top priority to make sure the videos are going out 😁🔥
Smeedia yes sir No problem at all ! I don’t think you can find no video on youtube that goes into depth details like you do or go in topics like you do ,Your gonna make it far in youtube 🙏
Stages are made up marketing nonsense, good video though
Yup. I can tell he wasn’t in the Subaru scene in that early days back in its prime…that “stage” talk was is cringe then and our cringe now 😂
I don’t even talk in stages but it’s easy to know what’s done if you say stage 1 Cobb. You don’t have to list every freaking mod that’s even more “cringe” than using the word cringe. You know what’s done and about what power it has.
Damn rewatching this video again in 2021 and seeing this version of the Bluebaru again is wild ! So much difference in the 17 STI now it has a 6 cylinder boxer engine !
Completely diffrent car from how it use to be, I go back and rewatch some older ones and still.blows my mind 😅
Hey man thank you so much for explaining all the stages. I'm brand new Subaru owner just got a used 2017 WRX in blue and Manuel 2 weeks ago and my first manual car.
Congratulations on the new WRX! And glad that the video helped to clear it up a little bit! 😁
Still got it?
I’m still looking for my 11-14 STI Hatchback my dream car lol!!
My dream car too! I've been looking on Autotrader. Low mileage ones are so expensive $22K+!
Driving three hours tomorrow just to go look at a 14 wrx hatch 5 speed manual with a sun roof for 25k hoping that its in mint condition so i can cop it ive been looking for one for a minute
@@lildad559 good luck and hope all goes well 👏🤙!
Enjoyed the discussion. I have all the "stage 3" goodies from Cobb and a Process West TMIC. I knew pretty well everything you said, but it was still well presented and informative. Keep it coming man.
I knew some people would know most of the info already but good to get it out there! Thank you for the support it is greatly appreciated! 🔥😁