Ford Mondeo Mk5, Faulty Injectors
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- Ford Mondeo Mk5, Faulty Injectors.
Diesel fuel injectors on the ford mondeo mk5 are leaking too much fuel back to the fuel tank.
A diesel fuel injector leak off test is needed to diagnose a faulty injector. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Alan I'll miss your mondi vids. I thoroughly wish you the best on your next adventure. Keep safe over there.. maybe you could get a job teaching in a mechanic college, I spent a lot of time in SE Asia and I know a french lad doing this in Cambodia. Your knowledge is out of this world and should be passed on. Take care Alan. Your class.
After changing the fuel filter, I now have to check my injectors in order to find out which one is the culprit.
Thank you so much for all the content you are putting on TH-cam!
your welcome
@@alan4x same here
I wished I lived near this mechanic. I feel I can trust him.
Where is he from
Utter creep 😂
Many many many thanks Alan for all your videos. I also have a Mondeo mk5 2.0 TDCI 150 and your videos helped me a lot in a similar injection issue (with P0087, P228C, P0251 error codes in my historic DTC...). I'm not a mechanic at all, never done that before but I disassembled my 4 injectors and opened them and cleaned them. Now, no more limp mode and leak off (guy at Ford garage tells me there were 3 bars of pressure in the leak off pipes...) Without replace them for a lot of bucks...! (But I agree, it's crap a mess to access to them without breaking all the plastic fixations, but with taking time, they are all fine...)
This is a good training video for any common rail fuel system. 48 years in the trade says so
Thanks again Alan, always informative with a health dose of humour thrown in for free!
Good news Alan.
I have just replaced all 4 of them on my mk4 DW10C they were second hand ones. They are just a little noise and im considering found diesel purge with liquid molly, hopfly this will not harm them.
Leak of test on this ones has proven they are good.
Thanks All for making this videos.
I need to work there. That distraction would be very welcome 😂
lol
I was thinking, maybe thats his wife ;) But maybe he sleeps with his car?
Wonder what he drives? May have a job for you, you told me to buy a MK4 and all
was well until after the recent service where there is a bit of top end vibration.
Did some naughty person have an oil additive that kept the chain quiet?
Love the "uninformative videos" keep them coming. :)
This guy knows hes tackle
I love this channel ,Allan you are the best mechanic on world
I love to see your Videos because I got am mk5 too. Especially I am from Germany and may learn so much from you. Thank you very much.
Loads of proper explanation.. you are a top man
lol
Haha that bit about coding the injectors haha I laughed out loud 😂
Another great video Alan 😊 The distraction was worth it to lol 😆
Excellent video as always
Very good usefull insight Alan keep it up
7:19
Extra thicc
Brilliant videos Alan, thanks for taking time out to make them. Been selling lots of mk4 mondeos never experienced any major issues. Not looking forward to the mk5!
I remember my old mk3 petrol mondeo I bought a brand new set of petrol injectors, proper bosche ones for £19! The gentleman had a surplus of duratec engines and was braking them all up for parts. Normally they're about £17 each... I know a diesel injector is a lot more complex and has to withstand the huge fuel pressure that's created by the pump and they are a lot more expensive. I had a chance to buy a titanium x diesel that was an ex fleet car which had full service history but I thought there's a lot to go wrong. My petrol mk4 is now hitting 37mpg on a regular basis. If I need more mpg I'll have a prinns lpg fitted.
👍👍👍👌Very informative and concise - it is a shame Peugeot/ Citroens have not invested in a removal tool for the very common seized injector on No.1 If it is a Ford - No.4 if Peug/ Citroen - atrocious really 🤯
I'm sure part of the problem is the low sulphur content in diesel fuel now and the increased pressures and tolerances within the diesel system.Although they say there are added lubricating packages added to replace the lubricating effect of sulphur im not so sure.
I agree that the automotive world seems to be taking a step back on reliability for refinement
Hi ! what do you use to check the leak offs ? and where are you connecting please ? thanks great videos btw
Excellent Video as always!!
cheers geoff
Alan, I’ve messaged you before, I’ve got a facelift Mk4 2ltr Tdci, with the euro 5 engine, dpf and the Delphi injection system, with all the work you do on these engines, do you ever change the Hp pipes when changing the injectors? It says to in the book, but I can’t see why?
Great instructional videos.
thank you
Alan you are awesome! :) love all your videos. i dont have mk5 i have mk3, tbh i have x-type 2.0d (even worse) but i do agree that the fuel system is the biggest problem of these cars. i would love to chat with you about my never ending issues with my 2 x-type (both not running at the present moment) and I believe that im very tempted to burn both for a nice cold night... anyway, my point here is, do you know how to open the injectors to clean the top part of injectors (where the electrical part is installed)? thanks to you i have accomplished to remove them, open them, clean the return valve and the tip but after installing back the car starts (with bumps) and after few minutes in idle will dye and never start again until i repeat the process. the fuel pump is ok, the filter has 1 year and around 10.000kms, but i did used these injectors for 60km (not 60k!) in another car and they became faulty (my guess is that the injector got swarf from the other car and now somehow i cant clean it properly). I also know i should buy new replacements but these cars have no value at all and i dont mind to test, learn, trial and error, and find out how can i go around this. sorry for this long speech. stay safe and thank you!
Monika As usual, it looks great 😁😁
Hi Alan. Thank you for all the videos - very informative and love your humour.
When you start the car 2:35 I hear it makes a faint groaning noise. Mine does this too for a couple of minutes after starting but is quite loud (more so when the engine is cold). Do you know what it might be? Is it normal? I’ve searched high and low! Thanks in advance and for everything. Regards, Matt
Hi alan speaking of the injector leak off pipes i noticed on injector 4 it looks wet at the top of the injector im guessing its the leak off pipe the seal has gone
I've got a facelift mk4 and I've got to replace the injector seals (screw replacing the injectors). My current issue is getting those friggin leak off pipes back in the friggin holes. Oh yeah they come out ok but they don't seem to want to go back at all. Any tips? Scrapping the car is not an option though at the moment beating the engine with a crowbar is moving up on my list...
Any ideas why my car would suffer random juddering? Happens around 1900 revs, no predicting when it will happen, changed the fuel filter, didnt change the issue
Hi Allan,thanks for the informative video,would you by any chance know the part number please.Thanks Chris
I guess it's to be expected that something goes wrong after 160 000 miles. Is this the TDCI 2.0, not the new Ecoblue?
Do you have any experience with new ones? What I found so far, Ecoblue diesels will be throwaway engines, since it seems it will be expensive to repair
Another good video full of useful information thanks ala n
cheers brian
A bit late, but return valve injector repair kits are readily available at about £25 and an easy DIY job to fit.
Any way to clean/renew the injectors without having to replace them?
How much we talking for the leak off pipes Iv snapped one bugger
Delphi fuel system has been tried again and again over the years by ford and others and failed prematurely ... and here we are again..... whyyyyyyy🤷♂️
got the same problem with my insignia limp mode garage has done leak off test need new injectors but cars only done 35000 miles
my mondeo after it had hpfp broken metal got in the system all been fixed and cleaned but i get yellow spanner sometimes when i accelerate faster and loses power completely of and on car has no problem after but same codes and i feel sometimes if i trie to accelerate after gear change car hesitates to accelerate for a split second
This guy makes me want to sell my insignia and by a mondeo there's nothing he doesn't know about the mondeo
yes, Alan is cool,
Alan do you know what the operating/activation voltage for these type of injectors are? how would you go about testing the electronic solenoid do you know?
hi, you really need a node kit...its like a set of led's that you plug into the injector wiring plugs..they flash when you crank the engine over which is testing the wiring to the injectors
Thanks!
Some peugeot diesel injectors are atroceous. If 1 injector is broken you might aswell change all of them. Usually when you com back from the highway speed calibration the next one has usually lit the engine light.
Alan I know its a long time but do you happen to have the tightening torques or degree's for the injector clamp bolts ? A small video on you coding these injectors would be handy ? Cheers marc
hi marc, the injector clamps are 10nm plus 70 degrees
Cheers Alan now have diagbox not accepting the new 20 digit injector codes , sure you said gearbox end is injector 1 ? 2.0 blue hdi 120 dw10fe citroen dispatch 2017 cheers for help Alan
Alan, after injector change, and putting those numbers to ecu, do I need an „learning procedure” on the road? How to do that?
no you don't have to do anything else but there should be another step with your scan tool to reset the pilot fuel quantity amount on the injectors you have replaced but if you don't do that chances are it won't cause any issues
You make a brilliant point about the injectors. I've heard more than a few Ford mechanics say the new Delphi ones seem really sensitive to fuel quality and types, Morrisons supermarket fuel being one of the biggest early death culprits. Any thoughts?
the expensive bp diesel is better quality and will probably get you more mpg and better power but most of us will use cheap tesco diesel
@@alan4x True that. I put v power in my 3.0tdi Audi as insursnce but the rest of the fleet get asda poverty spec.
lol
Generally it is micro-particulate contamination of the fuel that kills common rail injectors. The cleanliness standards for the fuel storage and delivery at the forecourt will likely be more important than the fuel brand.
Hi Alan, could you tell me what is the tightening torque for bolt of injector clamp?
Just found it - 7Nm + 110* angle
Just broke cylinder 4 return line clip trying to pull it out of the injector 😢
TAHANKIOU. ALAN
Hi Alan I have a 65 plate MONDEO 1.6 Titanium can you tell me if the Auxbeam led bulbs have been since you fitted them any problems with them thanks 🙏🏻
they are still working fine .. i am waiting for them to break
😂 would you recommend them Alan
Alan do you have to bleed the air from injectors and system if you refit need ones?
Many thanks
no there is no need to bleed the system...just crank the engine over and it will start
@@alan4x thanks Alan! Putting the fuel return pipes back on is major pain in butt hole... any tips?
My mk4 305k miles original injectors still
Hello Alan,Before I buy my Mk5 you gave me an advice to be between 30-80k miles and I did liaten to you.I bought it on 81K but had glow plug error on the computer and was having a difficulties when starting (turning more revs than normal)-summer time.Now is cold and even is harder to start.I notice when revving the car when on hot engine the cars goes in to limp mode and Low Fuel pressure error comes on the computer,so I believe is my leak off test time.I have an idea for a new video for you.Why you not make a video how to program those injectors as I might need to change some of mines.2015 2.0L diesel(London) .Cheers
Can you link also the starting issues to not working glow plugs as I think the car uses them only when is
under 3⁰ C .Thanks
Hi, i hope anyone can help. I have a MB c200 2010 diesel and i have a high return on injector nr3. I have replaced all 4 injectors with refurbished units. I have replaced the common rail pressure sensor. I have coded the injectors correctly and i still have a high return.
I have a new fuel filter, tested the intank electric fuel pump.
I have no fault codes using 3 different scan tool and diagnostic pc.
I am starting to run out of ideeas.
the next thing will be checking the fuel pressure regulator and doing a commpresion test.
Please Help!!!
Alan can you tell me the torque settings for the bolt that holds in the injector mate, I need to replace injector number 3 on my mondeo, great videos as always, would be lost without you mate
Alan can you tell me what this fault code is m8 …. P228C:00:68
Fuel pressure regulator A exceeded control limits , pressure too low it’s saying
Question, and it is a question, I was always told to replace ALL injectors not just 1 or 2, is that a myth?
hi, it costs a lot of money to replace them all so much of the time only the faulty ones are changed...we do this all the time and the cars are fine...
Alan have mk 4 with 150k on it I use BP premium diesel. Car going well .
Hi Alan great videos as always. I have a question which is not related to this video. My mondeo mk4 has been losing coolant steadily and there is no visible leaks or cream cheese in the oil filler cap. I've done some research and found it to be a few possible causes. Firstly head gasket and secondly egr valve. If the head gasket had gone would I always expect to see cream cheese in the oil filler cap? The car runs smoothly and drives perfect, secondly if the egr valve is the cause how would I check this? This problem has me stumped and have always received good advice from you in the past. Regards Wayne
hi, there is a test involving holding a bottle of fluid over your expansion tank to test the head gasket but i have never had a head gasket leak on a mondeo for many years now, nor have i had a egr problem on the 2litre peugeot mk4 engines... really need to know what engine it is...and check radiator down the sides...they can seep without dripping on the floor
Hi mate thanks for the reply. My mondeo is the 1.8 tdci , I also noticed earlier that the system was still pressured despite the car being parked up all night. When the car is driven the temp gauge is always normal.
yeah the 1.8 tdci did have a few leaks...hoses onto egr and at back of cylinder head and the thermostat housing is a common leak point but if your system is pressurising then you would be best to have a compression leak test done on your car
Cylinder 1 is on timing side, why did you say the other way round? Is that specific to this particular ford engine?
BMWm6e63
Yes it is specific to that car.. quite a few especially French engines are arse about face with no1 cylinder being by the flywheel side
The French work backwards
So if i have £3500-4000 to spend on a diesel car what do i get if i want something reliable, economical preferably not really slow?
mk4 mondeo 2l diesel between 2012-2014 if you can find a looked after one
First view yet again and first comment I love your videos they are the best
excellant...you must have been up early....that got posted at 3.30 in the morning lol
Alan Howatt yh funny enough I'm s taxi driver I saw your notification so I pulled over and started watching it 😂😂
Alright mate I brought a ford MONDEO 65 PLATE at 63400 miles and on the motorway my car went dead with that spanner coming on and showed it to the garage I brought the car off and he put a new oil filter then was ok forca while and after the 3 months warranty the car shut itself off 5 times and now I have had 2 injectors go and even now it's making a really bad noise and going slow and fast itself so this car is crap so far thank you
You'd think ford would have injectors sorted by now !!!!
Ford should employ Alan to design and sort out their new cars !
Hello Alan, I understood that correctly. The first cylinder for coding the injector is on the transmission side? I now have a new engine in my Mk5 180HP Powershift. He now shows me gearbox and EGR errors. The attachments are from the old engine except the injectors. Can these errors come from the injectors? Sorry for my bad english. Please help . Here in Germany from Ford nobody has any idea! Thank you thank you ! Greetings Dennis
hi, i would first clear all ecu codes, then code in all the new injectors first and carry out a reset on the egr valve using your scan tool and also see if the gearbox can be reset...usually if the egr valve gives off codes it is a faulty egr valve..they fail quite often
Hello Alan, thank you I will do so. With the 20-digit code on the injectors, is the crossed out oval a zero? And cylinder 1 starts on the transmission side? thanks
hi, yes the oval with a line through it is a zero and no1 cylinder is on the transmutation side..no4 being next to the cam belt
@@alan4x Thank you so much, you helped me a lot. Greetings Dennis
My fuel injector leak off pipe connectors wont go all way in to the lip....tried tried tried...worried to much force i.l break them
You seem to be well busy on the mk 5 mate
they not very reliable..everytime one pulls in the yard i hide
Hi Alan. I have mk4 DW10C 2.0tdci and im about to change injectors. Do you have to release rail pressure before or you would do it one by one?
Thanks Alan.
Taskhunters
Hi. There will be no pressure. Just loosen the 17mm nuts on injector pipes nothing will squirt out
@@alan4x ok thanks.
One more thing. Do i replace all 4 in one go or do first one, then start up the engine switch off then replace second one, and so on ... Im not planning to code them and i know there was a someone already doing all 4 in one go just to find the car will not start at all.
Can a faulty injectors cause excessive engine vibrations and noise? I have 2.0 mk5 Mondeo, and after changing flywheel and all of the engine mounts, the issue with vibration is still present.
@darepsy Have you ever resolved problem with excessive engine vibrations?
Hi, i have s-max 2016,exactly this problem, I've changed glow plugs with relay, flywhell, mounts is ok, but the problem not resolve, have you resolve? Thanks
@@rychlakdesign hi, do you know what is the problem? Thanks
@@coskea8260 hi, unfortunately no, still chasing the gremlins 🙂
@@coskea8260 hi. No, the problem is still present. In meantime, I've changed the alternator and crankshaft pulleys, and again checked injectors. Unfortunately, it seems that vibrations affected the transmission, since it developed some noise. Most probably, some transmission bearings are damaged.
I want a Brand Spanking New Mk5 Mondeo :)
Hi, what engine is this please? DW10C? Thanks
DW10F
Hoping mine is okay for another 120K miles then.
Could be worse you could have pug 1.4hdi engines and the amount of stuff you need to strip off to see the spill pipes never mind access them and so it's wise to change all 4 injectors ar 240 quid each less 75 exchange fee is it worth it 8 hours labour
Grand to fix a diesel motor with 130.000
Wonder if your company would trial a petrol lpg taxi. Would it have worse problems than the diesel
yeah i have come across the 1.4hdi..nasty job lol.......
No cup of Tea today then Alan
lol
I suppose it depends on many factors , mileage , if it's been remapped , the emissions systems have been messed with , blocked etc , the down the psa group share engines with Ford , so the psa problems are with Ford too , when the psa group find an issue with something they usually modify it , I tend to to see ford still selling the same thing , what ever it may be.
Siemens and denso fuel systems are the most reliable in my view
nice joke there
Denso is very good indeed, and Bosch also.
You've still not put me off buying a Mk 5 Mondeo Alan, but maybe it wont be a tired and shagged out 150,000 mile one🤣.
lol
Mk 4 mondeo was euro 4 I think 💭... those injectors would open two ish 🤔times per stroke circle .. mk 5 is euro 5/6 these injectors work much harder for a cleaner combustion they open 3/4 times stroke circle . For pre ignition main ignition post ignition.... so basically work twice as much i think ..
Mk4 was Euro 5 as well
Mk4 started in 2006 and i am pretty sure it was euro 4
@@johnspanishh6872 depends on the engine. 1.8 tdci was euro 4, all the rest diesel engines where euro 5 with dpfs. All mondeos after 2011 where euro 5 only
correct, and with a higher injection pressure too
Proper fit 7:30
Oh no delphi. And i see they've copied mercedes with the clamping of the injectors.
The Mondeo mk1 was a workhorse.
Those green return clips have given people a lot of grief seen some awfull vid's on how to remove .....
На старых дизельных двигателяз на обратках штуцера и хомут, здесь же быстросъем который очень легко ломается
Will the Mercedes ‘black death’ spread to the mk5 Mondeo? The price of new injectors...... absolutely scandalous!
Siemens is way better, on MK4 2.0tdci and no need to program new injectors , only must check number of injector 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 .very Simple
I have Siemens injectors in my 2.0d Volvo and 3 of them are class6 and one is class5. I have a rough idle and white smoke. Cold you help me with an advice?
@@ienasescuruben7326 hello, all injectors must be same code, you must change this injector, if you have 6class IT must be 6 Claas on all
One more thing. I should buy a class 6 injector or a profesional shop could change the internals in the old one and make it a class 6 from class 5?
@@ienasescuruben7326 No, the injector number is given at the factory and cannot be changed, it depends on the calibration range it works in your case, it is class 6, you need to buy a new class 6 or a used one, unless you want to change all of them, as in class 6 as for another, you need to change the calibration in the computer
My Missus cmax is 4 years old and its only did 24k and needed an injector ! and the bloody abs light comes on and off when it feels like it ! first ford we have had in decades and its shit 😂
Hi so when I change the injectors I don’t have to code them, just change them as I don’t have a scan machine.
Great video👍
If you don't enter the individual injector correction codes you may notice some rough running and annoying noise cause by injection timing error and poor cylinder balance. On the other hand there is a statistical possibility that you will get away without doing so - it just comes down to individual component manufacturing tolerances.
Since the mk2 mondeo they have suffered with injectors from 60k miles and none of the new mk's was any better
looks like a peugeot engine?
it is lol
plisse til my da cod P20CD
Adios
Peujoke/shitron engine components . What could go wrong🙈
Sadly Ford worked out how much they’d over engineered the MK4 and pulled it back a bit but then they aren’t in business for fun I guess.
Don't get your honey where you make your money!
So chuffed I have a Mk4.....
Delphi injectors 🤦♂️
What a pity that Ford do not listen to Alan's feedback, if they did then EGR valves would have an Aluminium body with replaceable motor, thermostat housings would be Aluminium and other issues would be fixed ! The injectors appear to be a Peugeot issue rather than a Ford one as thats who makes the engine.
lol
Emissions standards... egr, dpf more stuff to clog up and throw out sensors so you have to fix it and not drive while it smokes its tits off....
The bigger picture 📸
Decidedly, I do not understand these engineers.
Instead of continuing with a manufacturer who makes quality (Bosch, Siemens) and remain a base of a product that has proven itself, they will always look for a cheaper competitor who makes shit.
I have a 2012 Mondeo Mk4 2.2l 200ps, Bosch system, perfect.
Tis that Delphi shite again... everything in my car that is marked Delphi just screws me. Hate that company! Couple days ago my wifes cars windscreen wipers switch filled car with harsh smoke - Delphi again!
let me guess. Mk3 Clio.
@@cjmillsnun Clio MK3, Laguna Mk 3 Ph2. Opel Astra G. I have been beaten by Delphi a lot...