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Minecraft combat is something that I feel like no matter what they do people will be unhappy. I just hope they can find a compromise between what people like the most in Minecraft PVP
Honestly you can play with jitter clicking or play long like the combat update the only problem is the shield i think a way to fix this would be have the field have active frames start up and endlag, like when you shield you have a small "counter" window where if you block an attack in that window you can attack right away other wise it will take a little to put your shield down and if you hold it ,it just reduces damage and slows you down,
@@donwackyaids1771 I think the reason jitter clicking is seen as bad is because it's a physical skill, while most other things in minecraft and video games in general are either strategic, tactical, or reaction time skills.
You know, it’s extremely strange that the combat tests just randomly stopped - Hopefully, this isn’t the end of possible combat changes, because we definitely need the new combat.
I believe it was because jeb went on break and ulraf is now the lead of the combat stuff behind the scenes. Hopefully a snapshot soon and more communication
@@justn1n It’s good to know that there’s a chance that the snapshots could continue, Jeb made good progress, as shown by the positive community reception.
No the combat update hasn't been cancelled. It's just hasn’t been worked on in a while. The latest news we got about it was last year when Ulraf said that he would be taking over the combat snapshots and has been working with Jeb. The other news was this January when Kingbdogz said that it wouldn't just be Ulraf it would be him and the entire gameplay design team and to not expect anything any time soon.
We don’t know in what capacity work is being done, but it is definitely still being developed. They definitely see the complaints of the community and are taking a ton of time to see what works, what doesn’t, and to experiment.
Forgot to mention, attack speed is hardcapped rather than softcapped like it is in 1.9, meaning CPS has literally no effect on the snapshots. I'm glad i could help with the shield parts by the way, this was an amazing video :D
As someone who actually prefers 1.9 combat over 1.8, I still feel like this is definitely an improvement and step in the right direction. Tons of people were unhappy with the changes 1.9 brought so I feel this is the best of both worlds. Hoping after 1.20 or whatever we get a small update on the scale of 1.15, so that Jeb has more time to work on this again.
A simple toggle when creating new worlds which will allow you to change combat like pre 1.9 and 1.9 we really need the combat update for bedrock because of how fast durability goes that's the 9th reason I hate bedrock
As someone who actually prefers 1.9 combat over 1.8, I completely disagree. There's already a huge playerbase for 1.9+ pvp and that playerbase (just like 1.8), already spent hours mastering it. Making a 3rd combat system would be a huge mistake in my opinion. It will just cause another split in the pvp community, which is completely unnecessary, as both 1.8 and 1.9 players have no reason to switch since they've already spent so much time mastering their current system. It will just repeat the same controversy again for a second time.
I'm a fan of 1.8 PVP, but I do think 1.9 PVP is much better for survival and I think so do think the people who dislike it. It's just the competitive pvp scene in which the 1.9 combat just does not fit well.
@@NorteXGame heya, I wouldn't say it "doesn't fit well", I spent 2 years on 1.16+ now and I can say that it's not that one is better than the other, they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
I hope mojang revisits these combat snapshots. I thought they were good and had potential and would finally make the community less divided. If they ever release the combat update v2 they should add a function for the fletching table as it would really fit in with the update.
I honestly don’t remember it that well, but there was this one time I managed to open a fletching table (bedrock 1.16.5) but I could never do it again. Idk if I was hallucinating but yeah…
I always thought that the fletching table should be used to make tipped arrows on Java. It’s really easy on bedrock but you need dragon’s breath on Java…weird
@RyGrassGaming quivers should be in game avoid the need of using stacks of arrows so when you run out of 1 stack the quivers fires another stack immediately
Dang, I play 1.9+ pvp and I would much rather just have a choice when you create a world/server that gives you a choice in between Og pvp and new pvp. I’m gonna quit Minecraft if I spent 2 years of my life getting top 10% on 1.9 pvp just for it to get replaced by this over complicated bull crap. Mojang is making the same mistake they had with the combat update. I only use 1.9 because it’s what I grew up with.
Hey, it's shrobbyy here! I am very grateful for this video because it gives a good insight into the new, and maybe future PvP, for everyone. Also thank you for mentioning RizeCookey and me. I found an interesting open source PvP client that works with Fabric, so I was talking to the developer to make it work with CTS. It does now and CTS now got its very first actual PvP client. I hope CTS will get a new boost again. Fun fact: when you mentioned Gomme and showed gameplay, you were able to see a name called "Shroobster". This was also me on an old account. :P
Kingbdogz mentioned a while back that the combat reworking was handed off to the Gameplay Design team to be worked on at a later date, so it’s possible that it’s being worked on behind the scenes and/or has been sidelined
I LOVE the proposed combat changes. It feels like the best of both worlds, with the faster, simpler, but still strategic PvP of 1.8, and the skilled timing and reduced emphasis on clicking speed of 1.9. Combining that with better hunger mechanics, stacking potions, and a more interesting array of weapons to choose from, it's just refreshing to play, and will hopefully be pretty uncontroversial among 1.9 players or even break up the monotony of 1.8 combat in large servers.
@@okay_1204 tell me you dont pvp, without telling me you dont pvp...... They added a place cooldown, as well as reduced the damage they deal last i checked
@@winterwolf8046 They were overpowered and boring as a base PvP weapon. Giving them a cooldown makes them more of a secondary attack to use, which is more strategic and allows room for more variation. I like it.
Wow, these combat changes are pretty interesting. I hated jitter clicking and the 1.9 combat felt too punishing for missing a charged attack. This would definitely make me want to participate in pvp situations.
@@davineasley Your doing them wrong if you have to actually hit the mobs. You should always use a trident killer, which will automatically kill the mobs, while dropping xp and the trident never breaking, it also works with looting if you hold a looting sword while afking
As a bedrock edition player I can say that the heart of damage from a fist might not seam like a lot, but its really not a great feature. People who keep on spawn rushing you would actually have a chance because of their doubled attack damage
Im an alpha player but come on now the combat update was actually nice, it makes survival a tiny bit more difficult with the cooldown on your weapons, the combat now is more cold and calculated in comparison to the older versions where it was just spam m1 and if you were in the OG minecraft versions(alpha and beta), instantly eat a bread to heal, lmao you guys dont wanna know how long a 1v1 lasted back then. I do hope they expand the combat mechanics in the future, and maybe add a gamerule for servers where you can enable the og combat mechanics at will.
alpha player also. I don't mind it that much. I took a break and didn't play during 1.9 and played during 1.10 and I didn't even find it had any serious issues. it works fine. everything can be improved, but it seems Mojang has bigger priorities.
@@ish_ Its your opinion but honestly you are lucky you did not play the older pvp back in alpha and beta, trust me if you did then you would look at the combat update differently.
I'm not gonna lie, this looks really good. I've been playing a lot of recent versions of mc even though I still prefer 1.8 combat but this looks a lot more preferable.
I'm glad that at some point we'll be able to move away from combat skill being measured by how fast you can press a button. Furiously wacking at people isn't as fun as actually having to take time to strategize and think during combat.
as someone who enjoys post 1.9 combat i love this new combat. honestly just having stackable potions is a huge win. i use potions a lot in singleplayer and you always need to sacrifice an inventory slot just for one potion
The new combat system is very enjoyable, having played some myself, and while still under development, with many bugs to be patched, it is a new system that could change minecraft for the better, and minecraft needs that right now.
Can't believe 1.9 is still being talked about so much! I did try and like the new combat snapshots, but I think that 1.9 is much less complicated and more intuitive. A player can join a practice server like PvP Legacy and have fun without prior experience. Are newer players going to have to master a (by nature) more complicated combat system? I've been getting into 1.9 combat and it's not as bad as people make it out to be. The combat has really refined into new and emerging pvp scenes, especially with crystal/anchor pvp. It just takes more time to get used to than 1.8. But 1.9 and 1.8 have always had much more straightforward combat scenes for newer/bedrock players. I'm interested to see what would happen if this version was publicly released. Very excited though as the more "fun" combat system leads to better longevity! Only problem I can see with this update is that we'll probably get chat reporting with these snapshots so if you wanted to use the combat snapshots, you'd have to resort to a version where you're prone to chat reports. Could cause a HUGE division in the Minecraft community, bigger than 1.9's changes.
As someone who mains 1.8, I quite like the combat update changes. It makes things such as positioning, hit timing (meaning not always attacking even when your weapon is fully charged), knockback, etc. important again, rather than solely focusing on aim as 1.9 PVP does. 1.9 PVP has always felt too slow for me, and for void/height based games (bedwars, skywars, wool wars, etc) and games where you regularly take on multiple people at once (the Pit, etc), 1.9 PVP simply doesn't make sense. Sure, the snapshot updates might not be the most intuitive, but I don't think current 1.8 and 1.9 metas are either, tbh. 1.8 has a fairly high learning curve due to sprint resetting, hit selection, CPS and positioning playing a huge role, etc. 1.9 is certainly more intuitive, but shields and weapon choice can still be quite confusing. The main issue with it is that it's just way, way too slow. That's just my opinion though, I'm sure others have differing thoughts :)
I main/play competitively in both versions. Positioning and movement are both very important skills in 1.9+ and it happens to be one of the few that transition over when learning 1.9+ from 1.8. Especially with combat without shields (and any higher level combat, for that matter) you'll need a good amount of movement. Same goes with sprint resetting. 1.8's kb system is an interesting one. On one hand, kb is something crucial in games like skywars and in a PVP setting a fishing rod tends to help. But on the other, people don't actually like kb items like the fishing rod at higher levels of the game. As you progress into more 'complicated/standard' modes such as NoDebuff, you'll notice they don't have a fishing rod simply because it's unpopular at that stage in the game. It's also not included in Bedwars. While 1.9 does put an emphasis on aim, I'd say the biggest change with the version was the hit timing itself. The attack cooldown paces attacks and if you can learn to play with the pace, it starts to feel less slow. Using an axe would also affect your pacing. In gamemodes like FFA with 1.9, it actually works surprisingly well. Of course, teaming in any version Is likely to get you killed anyway. In a 2v1 though, you can still deal with it in 1.9 by using sprint resets/other things to separate the two and just start spam critting one out. In that case you'd have to be better than the other 2 players, but that's the same case in 1.8. A less experienced 1.8 player would most likely not have to learn hit selection or click 20CPS to win their bedwars game. Yes, those are things that help the experience and with time and practice, but they aren't so difficult to learn once you start getting experience and realize those are things in the game. A less experienced player will probably have to learn sprint resetting though, which honestly isn't too difficult and has so many different methods of doing it. And it works across versions. 1.9 Combat is not so complicated either. --> When you have a totem + ench armour, don't use a shield & use sword --> When you don't have totem + ench armour, use a shield & axe Slightly varies above, but for the most part it's not so difficult. In a lobby with the combat update (given that you're new) will probably result in instant death if you don't have prior experience with the game, let alone the snapshot. Instead of worrying about letting go and rehitting w every hit, they're thinking "when should I quick charge with my sword? what's the timing for a parry combo? what even is reach? does that automatically make the trident the best weapon?" Even for a player like TheMisterEpic, it did take him some time to get used to the snapshot. Maybe a public release would show better how the experience would be like for newer/less experienced players.
I think one thing the 1.8 PVP community often forgets is that, because of how open and large Minecraft is as a game, PVP is just a subsection of the overall game community, and that while 1.9 combat might not excel at PVP, it does provide a more interesting PVE experience (in my opinion), and I worry that their idea of how the 1.9 combat is perceived as a whole may be negatively skewed due to only hearing bad things about it from people who nearly exclusively play PVP minigame modes on servers like Hypixel. The majority of the player base has no reason to discuss it because the way that they play the game, whether PVE survival or even just creative mode, is more enhanced by the 1.9 combat. Different weapons excel in different PVE scenarios, such as swords for sweeping hordes of weaker enemies, axes for focusing single stronger targets, and tridents for underwater combat. Of course, the PVP community has the same right to enjoy Minecraft in their own way as anyone else does, and I think a 3rd system that satisfies both parties with unique weapon traits, pros, and cons while also allowing for quick and exciting combat to ideally please everyone would be a great idea.
Agreed, unfortunately it is the PvP Community that has been the most vocal about the 1.9 combat changes, and it doesn't help that many voices are just complaining instead of providing constructive feedback. Most casual players of minecraft aren't as passionate about the combat aspect. After it is Minecraft not PvP simulator with some mining and crafting.
I thought that I was the only one that actually liked the 1.9 combat. But some things that are in the snapshots could be for the better. I personally don't like the bow thing and the fact that we need sweeping edge to have sweeping on swords.
@@mariii__881 yeah, I feel like swords sweeping should be buffed to more than half a heart without enchantments tbh, also the cooldown for attacks really should be applied by the attacking player and not by i-frames. Honestly I don't understand why people like the spam clicking aspect of old pvp so much, punishing misses in a clearly defined way is a good thing for the skill ceiling.
@@mariii__881 That's the result of so called "vocal minority" making the noice. It's always the vocal minority, that gets things changed. As the people, like you and me, who likes the modern combat system doesn't make any noice. Yes, the 1.9 combat changes are controversial, but mostly for PvP community. I see the old combat system as brainless whack-a-mole fest. PvP people can call it jitter clicking all they want, but that doesn't change the fact what it in reality is: Just a fancier way to say you're spam clicking.
i agree with this! i’ve been playing minecraft since like alpha but i’ve never engaged in pvp. with my only experience being pve, i never saw any issue with the combat update… it was different, but i didn’t mind it, and i enjoyed the element of timing, even if the space between hits felt a bit long. but in the few times i’ve played pvp with friends since, i’ve liked it a lot less than i did in my few times before the update. it’s just a diff experience
I love these “documentary’s minecraft videos” your making. Personally I think the combat after 1.9 is fine maybe it’s because I played on iPad and later went to pc and saw no change in a sense
The thing is, a “less controversial system of pvp” by its very nature, can not exist. No matter what they do at this point, there will always be people who prefer 1.9 combat, it’s been around for far too long now for people to just let it go (just like the 1.8 community was when 1.9 first came out).There will also be the same community of people who refuse to update past 1.8 even IF the pvp system receives a major overhaul. And if they DO change pvp again, it won’t solve problems or unite communities, it will create more problems and divide the community further. Having 2 types of pvp was controversial sure, but 3?! If they don’t do this perfectly for both the casual players and the hardcore pvp players at the same time, it won’t end well.
yea, and after 1.19.1 and the global bans, one wrong step and the community is completely turning on mojang. I already know a bunch of people who refuse to update past 1.19 cuz of the new TOS, i don't even want to imagine what would happen if they changed combat too
If they can make a gamerule for bridging mechanics, they can make a gamerule for 1.8-1.9 combat mechanics as well. This was a change we've requested for years, ever since 1.9 came out in the first place. However, considering the recent events regarding chat reporting, I'm completely confident that Mojang has stopped listening to its community altogether.
Something I noticed in the footage for the PvP servers is that there are quite a few players that use their left hand to attack and their right hand to block. I knew this setting has existed for a while, but I didn't think that many people used it. I wonder if those players are actually left handed in real life or if they see an advantage in having their left hand as their main hand.
While I can't speak for Minecraft PVP specifically, I've always used left handed view models in first person games whenever available. This is mainly due to a habit from FPS games like Counter Strike where it was traditional. The idea is that humans have eye dominance. In my case, I'm right eye dominant, which is a way to say that I use my right eye with higher priority than my left. As a result, things on the left side of the screen are less obtrusive. By keeping my weapons on that side of the screen, it's easier to focus on the environment I'm playing in. That's the idea anyway. That said, I hesitate to think this is the actual reason since shields are much larger than swords are in Minecraft and actually take up more space on screen.
personally, I really love 1.9 pvp because it gives players that just want to play casually a chance and makes it so you wont wear out your mouse as fast. also, and this is just my opinion, but nearly every feature in the combat snapshots seams the worst of both worlds, for example if potions can stack that makes them so much more overpowered because normally to have a retinal of potions it takes up a large portions of your inventory, also if you can get interrupted from eating that will make healing 10 times more difficult and that is a huge detriment, especially to hardcore players, who want to stay alive.
However, only normal potions would be stackable. Also, even I say that food is a bit overpowered in the moment, especially if you got a way to strong amour. But yes I also love the current p v p/e system. It does not require me to just spam my mouse to death. I don't like pvp that much, but with the old version I wouldn't play it at all.
True that would be a great addition but its been a year for that idea and i don't think they spoke about it ,im not sure why they don't like this idea or something, even someone popular like antvenom have said it like many years ago when 1.9 was still new
Honestly, the combat snapshot, based on how you described them, just seems needlessly complicated. It doesn't really feel like a middle-ground, given all the other mechanics tacked on top of it.
@@Boggas334 yeah it has a simple system for new players and people who don't do pvp and then it has a more advanced system alongside it for the more serious pvpers it's not really needlessly complicated as OP is making out to be it's just a simple to use system with deeper mechanics you can take advantage of as time goes on
Y'all describing this as current and 1.8 pvp it isn't overly complicated. Seriously, this one sounds really easy to understand and learn. Hold for fast attacks, wait a bit for long ranged one. Also kinda repeat the same combo Meanwhile "easiest" pvp for a newbie: okay so I just spam clicks? Why isn't it working... Why people easily kill me?! Why the hell they hit me at so huge range?! WHY?! Okay okay, so strafing, other things etc etc WHY THE HELL PEOPLE HIT ME AT SUCH LONG RANGE WHILE I CAN'T?!
I'd personally like a feature where you can throw any weapon/tool and have it do 1.25x damage, with a balancing thing being that by clicking at the right time, you can catch and then use or return to sender
Well there it's weapon throw mechanics, but I still wouldn't say that it's actually a good idea. Because: 1 - Tridents would become kinda useless. 2 - you basically sacrifice a whole weapon(maybe with enchants) for 1.25x damage and longer range. And no, it's not like throwing a weapon wouldn't make you lose it if it wasn't at point blank range *and* if it wouldn't drop as a regular item. Maybe with axes it could be kinda useful but otherwise a meh mechanic. However if instead of increased damage it could be used as a combo breaker then it would have some potential... Like making opponent slower or his weapons on short cooldown. Problem with your idea it's that you're trying to add something that's already in the game in a form of Trident and bows. And pvp it's mostly close range, long range options are just isn't needed that much
För someone who has throughly played both 1.8 and 1.9 , I loved playing this because it takes the best of both worlds. It fights feel rapid like 1.8 but still impactful and varied like 1.9 . The meta and playstyles are diverse I've tried both 1.8 like "w tap combos) and 1.9 like (Crit spamming" playstyles and both of them worked well and that's scratching the surface. It makes pvp feel like a feature and not something players are just abusing.
I remember that like a year ago Ulraf was asked on Twitter about the combat update and he said that Jeb didn't have the time to continue work on the combat snapshots and that in the future the whole mojang team would be working on the combat. At least something along these lines. It's been a while so I could be wrong
Good to see that Mojang devs don't waste their valuable time with unimportant stuff like combat and focus on things that actually benefit the game's community, like the 1.19.84 Censorship and Spyware Update.
Really good work, haven't seen a lot of coverage for the combat tests. I like a lot of the ideas but can also see how annoying they'd make certain aspects of PvP too. I hope they aren't sidelined forever! One thing I'd like to see would be certain weapons doing more or less base damage to mobs. It would only be minor like a trident for example doing 2 health (1 heart) more base damage to phantoms for example, or bows doing 1 health (half a heart) less to skeletons. It would be like having Smite, Bane of arthropods etc and add some slightly more variety to weapon functions.
Seriously, nobody makes Minecraft videos half as entertaining as yours. Keep it up, man, your content is awesome!! I can't get enough. And you're a powerhouse to upload such high-quality stuff while you're still in university
Im glad people loved the combat snapshots, I played for a while in that server and had a lot of fun, but my fear was people not wanting to move on and leaving behind the 1.8 combat. I hope that the gameplay team take care of the base that Jeb developed and hopefuly we'll have the best combat system Minecraft have ever had soon.
@old channel In this whole paragraph that I had difficulty to read due to the high amount of spelling mistake, I saw only two ACTUAL point 1 - A new system was and will happen, the 1.8 combat had many flaws (like cps being a physical skill which meant that some people just can't have that skill) and so 1.9 tried to remove those problem, but in the process created other problem and so people got angry (Like you do right now with the combat test), the combat test tried to fix the flaw of 1.9 by inserting the good thing of 1.8 and fixing some other things 2 - The healing blocking, while an annoying mechanic at first, avoid player chugging 20 Notch Apple and 3 stack of Golden Apple and make fights 50x longer then it should (which is a problem with BOTH pvp type btw, tho 1.9 do get slowed down more due to it being slower in general) In any case, let's talk about the other "points" that you bring 1 - I am guessing by "cpvp" you mean "competitive pvp" or "click pvp"? With how many spelling error, I can't even know if it's a spelling error or not so I can't argue against it without further info In any case, you say that the combat test ruin "cpvp" and "pvp methods", but how? 2.1 - Those "Stupid and Useless" mechanic that you can't say that makes the version an hybride of 1.8 and 1.9 is intentional. The goal was the bring the good part of both combat, good job for finding something that was already known AND was mentioned in this video 2.2 - Oh and also, again, you just say that the mechanic are useless/stupid without even mentioning WHY they are like that 3 - Again, saying that 20% of the things suck without saying why is meaningless In other words, bring actual argument instead of bitching on everything for the sake of it
@old channel Yeah, there are some problems like the fact that you cant eat while fighting or how the regen works, the shield is something people dont like too; but as an idea I like a lot the core of the new combat mechanic, it can feel weird but after playing for a bit you'll find the trick. I like that it tries to have the best parts of 1.8 and +1.9 combat, so spam clicking isn't the way to win always, you can try differents strategies like trying to do perfect timings, then holding or even spam clicking in a determinated moment might work, I also like that all the "weapons" are useful and you can master how to use all of them, overall with the problems it has I think that we're going in the right direction. Now I ask, have you tested it for a good amount of time in a server?
@old channel 1.8 combat is not all about spam clicking, but you cant deny it's a very important part of it. A new combat system is very important right now, specially for parity with bedrock, because 1.9 might be very confusing for new players and Mojang dont want to go back to 1.8 system because for PvE it's too simple, thar's why a new combat system is needed, it's not all about PvP. Im not a profesional at PvP in 1.8 or 1.9 or any version because it isn't what I most play, but I can defend myself pretty good in a fight at any version; so I want the best possible combat for the game and to do that we need to give our feedback, to tell what needs to change, what have to be added or removed; but something that the game really needs is a new combat system that works FOR EVERYONE, pros, new players, casual players, for PvE, everyone. And what I most want is server to update to the lastest version, there is so much potential for new minigames and stuff in servers that is wasted because they are stuck in 1.8.
I like the slower 1.9 Combat. The Combat Snapshot mechanics look a bit complicated. But I like that there trying to make everyone happy and maybe the big servers will then update from there 8 year old base.
The multishot enchantment acting like a shotgun is so cool. Ngl right now the crossbow is inferior to the bow in many ways, no infinity, no power, no flame
Thank you so much for making this video, as a Combat Reforged mod it's really nice seeing a lot of people start playing again and see the interest come back to life! also 6:58 YOOOO SLYZE
I’m not a PvP player, not even close. Though, I can understand why 1.9 is so disliked for combat. I am from the 2013 era of Minecraft and I still like the versions before the combat overhaul. I’m towards the casual side, which for me - in my opinion - the 1.9 combat works fine. Many will not agree with that statement, that’s okay, don’t plan on making a stand to defend it completely. As a casual player, I don’t mind. TL:DR - I understand why 1.9 is hated, but I don’t mind it personally.
Honestly I think this is why the combat tests have seemingly been put on hold. A lot of the long time dedicated players hate 1.9 combat but for anyone who's casual, not interested in pvp, or only started playing after 1.9, (aka the vast majority of MC players), it's not nearly as big of a deal. At this point another combat update could just end up starting a whole new set of controversies for something that "most" players probably think doesn't need fixing
You've got a solid point there, 1.9 combat definitely feels like it was designed for a PvE or "casual" environment, definitely not made for a pvping community.
I'm in a similar position. As someone who also started early in 2013 and spent much of my time on pre 1.9 versions, I don't mind 1.9. I don't mind pre 1.9 either but 1.9 combat feels slightly more interesting to me. That being said, I also never really did much server stuff or much PVP in general, and I mostly love 1.9 for the Elytra and Shulkers. And just from watching players PVP on TH-cam videos, 1.9 combat actually looks to be a good bit more interesting and varied as well. I think at this point the debate has settled anyways, people aren't as riled up about it anymore and players just use whichever system they prefer.
@@StuffandThings_ yeah the situation has calmed down now but i remember when it first came out and man the outrage lol. as a pvp player back then i practiced and practiced to be able to reach 18 clicks per second for pot pvp and when the update came out, people like myself hated it. now that i really only play survival, i’ve grown to like the combat change. but man the good old days off jitter clicking my arm off lol.
Now that you bring it up, I remember a TH-camr demoing one of these snapshots that I think broke snowballs several years back but it never crossed my mind after that
I hope they do go back to releasing more of these tests, and eventually implementing a final version in a real update. I never cared about 1.8's combat (and in general I think just spamming an input in any game's combat is really lame), but having played 1.9+ for years, I just don't really like it. I don't like how optimal combat is just jump, click, wait, jump, click, wait, jump, click, you mistimed it and didn't get the crit, wait, etc. It's so slow, it's just boring, and kind of needlessly stressful because mobs can just gang up on you while you're doing all that waiting. It makes combat feel really unfair at times.
You’re really good at convincing us how good this update is! When I first saw the update I really despised it, but you explaining it made it sound really cool!
Good video: I hope that by using your platform some interest will be revived in the Dev team. It's crazy: the Dev team can slave away on content updates, or a single programmer could go and make the most highly anticipated update in ages in their spare time. Me and my friends currently use the combat tests from time to time when playing together and it's a pretty good time. A few changes I'd recommend (from a very long list). - Holding attack should be less optimal (currently it attacks with only 1 tick imperfection over timing swings, change to 2/3?) - Anvils should be able to apply weapon enchants to tools as they could previously - I need a sharp 5 hoe.
I think Minecraft should have something like development channels, that you can change between. For example, you would have a channels for combat system, or other (non)controversial stuff that needs changes. When there's a lot of agreement and stability, it would be merged into the game release. Similar thing you can see on open source software (git branching, for example). This would allow the playerbase to also work on the game with feedback, which is a crucial thing for games like Minecraft.
Man I really hope they haven't just straight up forgotten these existed (they probably haven't) but it still is so cool seeing this. Really hope they do make combat test 9 at some point Oh and you didn't mention some of the more interesting parts, like how potions can stack to 16 and how hoes now attack faster, have the range of a trident and can now be given the sharpness enchantment
The combat in Minecraft is so simple yet they could mess it up so much. By just adding the shield and the charged attacks. I like to see there was planned to combinate both, as I like the idea of charged attacks. I hope to see this added for all them PVP peebs out there. Also Mojang is now moving Java and Bedrock edition together to get rid of all those version problems. It is even called Java & Bedrock Edition now on Microsoft Store.
I feel like I know what they are going to do, with 1.19.1 being released they will need a strong reason for players to update their game, and what better way would be to release a heavily wanted update for 1.20
As a 1.9 Enthusiast (excluding shields blocking swords completely and netherrite defeating the main basis behind combos promoting an unfun crit spamming combo system) I really enjoyed seeing a bridged gap between the two. Thanks for the PSA!
I definitely prefer 1.9+ combat. it actually requires more skill, whereas pre 1.9 combat is *just* "cps cps cps I need more cps yessss I can do 20 cps I'm gonna shred everybody in skywars"
@TurtleAndSandwiches I will say though that's still only two mechanics that really determine PVP outcome - cps and strafing. Basically just how fast can you swing and how fast you can strafe back and forth. 1.9 definitely has its own set of specific things to master for good combat outcomes, but its a tad more varied than just two basic click based mechanics.
1.9 combat literally takes no skill. That’s why people who were bad at 1.8 pvp like it so much any 1.8 pvper can still be good at 1.9 pvp but not the other way around. 1.9 pvp is literally hit or miss and depending on who gets the first few combos basically wins the whole fight as 1.8 pvp is way more skill and technique based with different types of clicking methods, jitter clicking, butter fly clicking, drag clicking etc and needing to be a fast inventory manager mid fight to switch pots, soups etc and other strafing methods like W tapping, S tapping, back and fourth strafing etc. 1.8 pvp is absolutely not all cps based because someone who’s a 5 cps can still beat a 15 cps player if they master all these other techniques
I think it’s worth noting that bedrock recently added shield breaking about a month ago and this is worthwhile because it wasn’t previously in the game
What went wrong in 1.9 I think is that it works well in pve in single player and I don't think it had PvP in mind. I really hope that the new combat continues to be updated.
If they fking add this i will quit the game 1.19 pvp is so perfect, some parts are cool, but the fact that you can once again just spam click drives me crazy af.
IMO 1.9 combat is better than all others just because the different game modes and strategies also people say you can’t combo on 1.9 which isn’t true at all and it’s way more satisfying to combo on 1.9
I prefer 1.8 pvp personally. I find it dumb that the sword, the tool specifically designed for combat in new versions, is in practical use, useless. Hopefully they can fix the system and make it fun again
minecraft combat has always sucked ever since the beginning of the game. there is a reason "pvp" players are using always using server plugins and crap to forward their retarded meta. mojang needs to stop catering to this unhappy toxic minority of players and focus on making the base survival combat balanced. in its current state minecraft's pve combat is extremely unrewarding, but still much better after 1.9. (yes, 1.8 combat sucks. get over it)
I play on bedrock edition so I obviously never got the combat change, but I am still definitely interested in the topic. I really hope that combat gets changed semi-soon just because I feel like it needs to be changed and that it would spice up the game a bit. Amazing video explaining everything!
The ideal shield: 1. NO CROUCH TO ACTIVATE. This only blocks vision and becomes really annoying when exploring. Holding RMB is so much better. 2. Ability to attack while holding RMB. This would temporarily drop the shield, making you vulnerable. The strike could also be delayed slightly, making the animation match the action while allowing a counter attack for quick players. 3. The shield blocks all low amounts of damage, but higher damage, say a creeper explosion or a sword, would only be reduced, with higher damage being reduced less. Any projectile that hits the shield would be reflected or destroyed, depending on the projectile, without dealing damage to the user. This essentially makes the player a tank, with the shield acting as extra armor and nullifying or reducing knockback. This encourages a playstyle that is flexible, allowing the shield user to be like a tank or use it to escape combos, giving a good tool. Against a shield user, axes would not only disable, but also damage the player, giving the shield risk and reward. The shielding player would still take damage from the sword as well.
There should be an trident enchant that pulls people in your direction like fishing rods do when your trident comes back to catch people running away for ever
I think it's still being slowly and secretly worked in the background, another big reason why the update would take longer is bedrock edition and it's multiple device platforms. If any of you follow the betas, you'll see that the phone controls are being worked on and changed, and we can all agree that the phones would be the hardest to implement combat changes on. Everyone is welcoming the change cause it's time we got more modern controls but they overlook that this could be tied to the combat update (potentially).
I think that too many people forget that combat mechanics are not JUST for pvp, it’s actually incredibly important for regular survival minecraft. The pvp community is big, but it’s tiny compared to the number of players who play survival. Survival mode combat (ie pve) ALWAYS has to come first, and 1.9 combat, while maybe worse for pvp, is I think in general much better for survival mode/pve. Hopefully Mojang can find a system in these combat snapshots which is best for survival AND pvp. Although (especially given Mojang’s recent performances), I do fear that a lack of communication with players could lead to further splintering the playerbase into 3 - people who prefer pre 1.9, post 1.9 or the new system.
I had a few ideas on how to tweak the system to make it more variable and dynamic basic ideas: pickaxes do tons of damage to armor, and somewhat ignoring it, however it does less damage as a downside. hoes are fast and quick, with sweeping attacks allowing players to speedily blitz in and do some damage, however a single attack is weak. axes and swords remain unchanged, i have no problem with them. shovels do loads of knockback, good for fighting at high areas where a drop could easily mean death crossbows can have punch. bows would remain relatively unchanged, however power would make arrows shot by the bow go faster, as either a drawback or an advantage, skilled users should be able to use it. Loyalty tridents thrown when in the offhand will come back to the offhand, allowing for dual wield PvP
I think the combat snapshots are perfect with the addition of 2 changes 1-make shield block only one hit from weapons before cooldown (any tool that boosts dammage so not fist) 2- put bedrock bridging in for parity
I feel like we could see some new combat test snapshots soon. The time we usually see them happen is in between updates. The first batch were released after 1.14, the second batch were released after 1.15, and the third batch were released after 1.16. Caves and Cliffs was an exception like you said because it was a big update that they ran into problems with, but since that’s out and 1.19 is also out, I think now they have the opportunity to revisit them before we get the announcement of 1.20
All they need to do is take the newer version and make the hit speed faster, and go back to the old KB. They can keep the hit timing meter thing for all I care. And for those who complain about ping being important, just learn to hit select. It also wouldn't be terrible if there was a minimum hit ping of 50.
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Minecraft combat is something that I feel like no matter what they do people will be unhappy. I just hope they can find a compromise between what people like the most in Minecraft PVP
Honestly you can play with jitter clicking or play long like the combat update the only problem is the shield i think a way to fix this would be have the field have active frames start up and endlag, like when you shield you have a small "counter" window where if you block an attack in that window you can attack right away other wise it will take a little to put your shield down and if you hold it ,it just reduces damage and slows you down,
Jitter clicking is the same as any skill
My pitch, is that they change it back to the way it was for one update, then switch back to the new combat,
I prefer the 1.9+ combat
@@donwackyaids1771 I think the reason jitter clicking is seen as bad is because it's a physical skill, while most other things in minecraft and video games in general are either strategic, tactical, or reaction time skills.
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You know, it’s extremely strange that the combat tests just randomly stopped - Hopefully, this isn’t the end of possible combat changes, because we definitely need the new combat.
I believe it was because jeb went on break and ulraf is now the lead of the combat stuff behind the scenes. Hopefully a snapshot soon and more communication
I would rather have the current combat snapshot mechanics in 1.20 and work on it from there
Obsously not they stated it that its still gonna one day be around again which is a amazing man its been so long people forgot about these
@@justn1n It’s good to know that there’s a chance that the snapshots could continue, Jeb made good progress, as shown by the positive community reception.
honestly the combat from 1.8 forward is way better because its more realistic
No the combat update hasn't been cancelled. It's just hasn’t been worked on in a while. The latest news we got about it was last year when Ulraf said that he would be taking over the combat snapshots and has been working with Jeb. The other news was this January when Kingbdogz said that it wouldn't just be Ulraf it would be him and the entire gameplay design team and to not expect anything any time soon.
Yep... They said they include firefly to
yeah they probably don’t do it because they’re too focused on doing shitty crossovers in the Minecraft bedrock store
@@godofshovels4031 pretty sure that thats a different development team
We don’t know in what capacity work is being done, but it is definitely still being developed. They definitely see the complaints of the community and are taking a ton of time to see what works, what doesn’t, and to experiment.
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Forgot to mention, attack speed is hardcapped rather than softcapped like it is in 1.9, meaning CPS has literally no effect on the snapshots.
I'm glad i could help with the shield parts by the way, this was an amazing video :D
What does hardcapped and softcapped mean?
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Doesn't it reduce knockback like in 1.8 though?
Its also hard capped in 1.8 but the reason ppl click faster is for knockback reduction.
@RyGrassGaming it just keeps a cooldown of 10 ticks for how often you can damage another player
As someone who actually prefers 1.9 combat over 1.8, I still feel like this is definitely an improvement and step in the right direction. Tons of people were unhappy with the changes 1.9 brought so I feel this is the best of both worlds. Hoping after 1.20 or whatever we get a small update on the scale of 1.15, so that Jeb has more time to work on this again.
A simple toggle when creating new worlds which will allow you to change combat like pre 1.9 and 1.9 we really need the combat update for bedrock because of how fast durability goes that's the 9th reason I hate bedrock
As someone who actually prefers 1.9 combat over 1.8, I completely disagree. There's already a huge playerbase for 1.9+ pvp and that playerbase (just like 1.8), already spent hours mastering it. Making a 3rd combat system would be a huge mistake in my opinion. It will just cause another split in the pvp community, which is completely unnecessary, as both 1.8 and 1.9 players have no reason to switch since they've already spent so much time mastering their current system. It will just repeat the same controversy again for a second time.
I'm a fan of 1.8 PVP, but I do think 1.9 PVP is much better for survival and I think so do think the people who dislike it. It's just the competitive pvp scene in which the 1.9 combat just does not fit well.
@@ENSANElol surely there have to be some plugins that do that
@@NorteXGame heya, I wouldn't say it "doesn't fit well", I spent 2 years on 1.16+ now and I can say that it's not that one is better than the other, they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
I hope mojang revisits these combat snapshots. I thought they were good and had potential and would finally make the community less divided. If they ever release the combat update v2 they should add a function for the fletching table as it would really fit in with the update.
I honestly don’t remember it that well, but there was this one time I managed to open a fletching table (bedrock 1.16.5) but I could never do it again. Idk if I was hallucinating but yeah…
I always thought that the fletching table should be used to make tipped arrows on Java. It’s really easy on bedrock but you need dragon’s breath on Java…weird
@RyGrassGaming quivers should be in game avoid the need of using stacks of arrows so when you run out of 1 stack the quivers fires another stack immediately
Dang, I play 1.9+ pvp and I would much rather just have a choice when you create a world/server that gives you a choice in between Og pvp and new pvp. I’m gonna quit Minecraft if I spent 2 years of my life getting top 10% on 1.9 pvp just for it to get replaced by this over complicated bull crap. Mojang is making the same mistake they had with the combat update. I only use 1.9 because it’s what I grew up with.
Hey, it's shrobbyy here! I am very grateful for this video because it gives a good insight into the new, and maybe future PvP, for everyone. Also thank you for mentioning RizeCookey and me. I found an interesting open source PvP client that works with Fabric, so I was talking to the developer to make it work with CTS. It does now and CTS now got its very first actual PvP client.
I hope CTS will get a new boost again.
Fun fact: when you mentioned Gomme and showed gameplay, you were able to see a name called "Shroobster". This was also me on an old account. :P
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FINALLY this update is mentioned! I literally thought everyone had forgot about it and that it had been swept under the rug!
boy are you wrong, im the cts community, kinda.
With so many players not updating, I doubt it would be forgotten for a long while.
same with that archeology system that they talked about once and never again
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Kingbdogz mentioned a while back that the combat reworking was handed off to the Gameplay Design team to be worked on at a later date, so it’s possible that it’s being worked on behind the scenes and/or has been sidelined
It seems like it was sidelined or quietly cancelled, either way I hope we get some sort of update regarding it's development
Likely sidelined after all the delays and issues with 1.17 and later
@@TheMisterEpic true, i dont think they would just cancel and update like that after people liked it and they put that much work into it already.
@@InfamousJRP i hope you're right!
I believe one of the devs said the team was still intending to work on it, but there’s no date for when combat snapshots continue
@@InfamousJRP the wild update says hi.
I LOVE the proposed combat changes. It feels like the best of both worlds, with the faster, simpler, but still strategic PvP of 1.8, and the skilled timing and reduced emphasis on clicking speed of 1.9. Combining that with better hunger mechanics, stacking potions, and a more interesting array of weapons to choose from, it's just refreshing to play, and will hopefully be pretty uncontroversial among 1.9 players or even break up the monotony of 1.8 combat in large servers.
They ruined crystal pvp, which at this point has become a very big part of the pvp community,
Can't just remove it or pretend like it doesn't exist
@@winterwolf8046 how is crystal pvp removed? Also I’ve never seen crystal pvp anywhere other than 2b2t lol
@@okay_1204 tell me you dont pvp, without telling me you dont pvp...... They added a place cooldown, as well as reduced the damage they deal last i checked
@@winterwolf8046 I never heard anything about a place cooldown damn. Also I do the normal pvp where you press the left button on the mouse lmao
@@winterwolf8046 They were overpowered and boring as a base PvP weapon. Giving them a cooldown makes them more of a secondary attack to use, which is more strategic and allows room for more variation. I like it.
Wow, these combat changes are pretty interesting. I hated jitter clicking and the 1.9 combat felt too punishing for missing a charged attack. This would definitely make me want to participate in pvp situations.
Skill issue
I really appreciate people like you are keeping this topic alive,so that it doesn't die out by the time Jeb gets time for it again
As a bedrock player who has recently moved to Java I find the combat so much better because axes have a use 😅
Edit: also we don’t have sweeping edge
Ik sweeping edge makes me hate mob farms on bedrock
@@davineasley Your doing them wrong if you have to actually hit the mobs. You should always use a trident killer, which will automatically kill the mobs, while dropping xp and the trident never breaking, it also works with looting if you hold a looting sword while afking
@@darkithnamgedrf9495 Well thanks for letting me know, Ill look into this
Combats to slow
@@davineasley but it ruins lives any other time
As a bedrock edition player I can say that the heart of damage from a fist might not seam like a lot, but its really not a great feature. People who keep on spawn rushing you would actually have a chance because of their doubled attack damage
What you mean?
Also punching someone with armor shouldn’t do that much
And what does this mean for the wooden shovel? Would it do the same damage as a punch?
@@groundpound9679 oh no not my favorite weapon! What will I ever do without my wooden shovel dealing almost no damage!
@@GuineaPigs1O1 technoblade wood shovel challenge
Thank you for explaining this, I was wondering for a while where it went.
Im an alpha player but come on now the combat update was actually nice, it makes survival a tiny bit more difficult with the cooldown on your weapons, the combat now is more cold and calculated in comparison to the older versions where it was just spam m1 and if you were in the OG minecraft versions(alpha and beta), instantly eat a bread to heal, lmao you guys dont wanna know how long a 1v1 lasted back then. I do hope they expand the combat mechanics in the future, and maybe add a gamerule for servers where you can enable the og combat mechanics at will.
alpha player also. I don't mind it that much. I took a break and didn't play during 1.9 and played during 1.10 and I didn't even find it had any serious issues. it works fine. everything can be improved, but it seems Mojang has bigger priorities.
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I like the new combat but the swinging just takes so long. I like the ideas in these combat betas though.
It’s definitely better for single player/pve, but pvp is much better on 1.8 imo.
@@ish_ Its your opinion but honestly you are lucky you did not play the older pvp back in alpha and beta, trust me if you did then you would look at the combat update differently.
I'm not gonna lie, this looks really good. I've been playing a lot of recent versions of mc even though I still prefer 1.8 combat but this looks a lot more preferable.
I'm glad that at some point we'll be able to move away from combat skill being measured by how fast you can press a button. Furiously wacking at people isn't as fun as actually having to take time to strategize and think during combat.
If it isn't fun, why do so many people still prefer the old combat?
The only people that do is the pvp community which is a minority
@@ArcherEvilOficial because it's like a cult following. people are starting to grow out of their 1.8 phase anyway as time goes on
@@ArcherEvilOficial because they got too used to it that's why
Someone talking about it, finally.
as someone who enjoys post 1.9 combat i love this new combat. honestly just having stackable potions is a huge win. i use potions a lot in singleplayer and you always need to sacrifice an inventory slot just for one potion
Awesome video, excited to see CTS getting some recognition once again!
The new combat system is very enjoyable, having played some myself, and while still under development, with many bugs to be patched, it is a new system that could change minecraft for the better, and minecraft needs that right now.
Can't believe 1.9 is still being talked about so much! I did try and like the new combat snapshots, but I think that 1.9 is much less complicated and more intuitive. A player can join a practice server like PvP Legacy and have fun without prior experience. Are newer players going to have to master a (by nature) more complicated combat system? I've been getting into 1.9 combat and it's not as bad as people make it out to be. The combat has really refined into new and emerging pvp scenes, especially with crystal/anchor pvp. It just takes more time to get used to than 1.8. But 1.9 and 1.8 have always had much more straightforward combat scenes for newer/bedrock players. I'm interested to see what would happen if this version was publicly released. Very excited though as the more "fun" combat system leads to better longevity!
Only problem I can see with this update is that we'll probably get chat reporting with these snapshots so if you wanted to use the combat snapshots, you'd have to resort to a version where you're prone to chat reports. Could cause a HUGE division in the Minecraft community, bigger than 1.9's changes.
As someone who mains 1.8, I quite like the combat update changes. It makes things such as positioning, hit timing (meaning not always attacking even when your weapon is fully charged), knockback, etc. important again, rather than solely focusing on aim as 1.9 PVP does.
1.9 PVP has always felt too slow for me, and for void/height based games (bedwars, skywars, wool wars, etc) and games where you regularly take on multiple people at once (the Pit, etc), 1.9 PVP simply doesn't make sense.
Sure, the snapshot updates might not be the most intuitive, but I don't think current 1.8 and 1.9 metas are either, tbh. 1.8 has a fairly high learning curve due to sprint resetting, hit selection, CPS and positioning playing a huge role, etc. 1.9 is certainly more intuitive, but shields and weapon choice can still be quite confusing. The main issue with it is that it's just way, way too slow.
That's just my opinion though, I'm sure others have differing thoughts :)
I main/play competitively in both versions. Positioning and movement are both very important skills in 1.9+ and it happens to be one of the few that transition over when learning 1.9+ from 1.8. Especially with combat without shields (and any higher level combat, for that matter) you'll need a good amount of movement. Same goes with sprint resetting.
1.8's kb system is an interesting one. On one hand, kb is something crucial in games like skywars and in a PVP setting a fishing rod tends to help. But on the other, people don't actually like kb items like the fishing rod at higher levels of the game. As you progress into more 'complicated/standard' modes such as NoDebuff, you'll notice they don't have a fishing rod simply because it's unpopular at that stage in the game. It's also not included in Bedwars.
While 1.9 does put an emphasis on aim, I'd say the biggest change with the version was the hit timing itself. The attack cooldown paces attacks and if you can learn to play with the pace, it starts to feel less slow. Using an axe would also affect your pacing. In gamemodes like FFA with 1.9, it actually works surprisingly well. Of course, teaming in any version Is likely to get you killed anyway. In a 2v1 though, you can still deal with it in 1.9 by using sprint resets/other things to separate the two and just start spam critting one out. In that case you'd have to be better than the other 2 players, but that's the same case in 1.8.
A less experienced 1.8 player would most likely not have to learn hit selection or click 20CPS to win their bedwars game. Yes, those are things that help the experience and with time and practice, but they aren't so difficult to learn once you start getting experience and realize those are things in the game. A less experienced player will probably have to learn sprint resetting though, which honestly isn't too difficult and has so many different methods of doing it. And it works across versions.
1.9 Combat is not so complicated either.
--> When you have a totem + ench armour, don't use a shield & use sword
--> When you don't have totem + ench armour, use a shield & axe
Slightly varies above, but for the most part it's not so difficult.
In a lobby with the combat update (given that you're new) will probably result in instant death if you don't have prior experience with the game, let alone the snapshot. Instead of worrying about letting go and rehitting w every hit, they're thinking "when should I quick charge with my sword? what's the timing for a parry combo? what even is reach? does that automatically make the trident the best weapon?" Even for a player like TheMisterEpic, it did take him some time to get used to the snapshot. Maybe a public release would show better how the experience would be like for newer/less experienced players.
It's just about what's your cup of tea.
I think one thing the 1.8 PVP community often forgets is that, because of how open and large Minecraft is as a game, PVP is just a subsection of the overall game community, and that while 1.9 combat might not excel at PVP, it does provide a more interesting PVE experience (in my opinion), and I worry that their idea of how the 1.9 combat is perceived as a whole may be negatively skewed due to only hearing bad things about it from people who nearly exclusively play PVP minigame modes on servers like Hypixel. The majority of the player base has no reason to discuss it because the way that they play the game, whether PVE survival or even just creative mode, is more enhanced by the 1.9 combat. Different weapons excel in different PVE scenarios, such as swords for sweeping hordes of weaker enemies, axes for focusing single stronger targets, and tridents for underwater combat. Of course, the PVP community has the same right to enjoy Minecraft in their own way as anyone else does, and I think a 3rd system that satisfies both parties with unique weapon traits, pros, and cons while also allowing for quick and exciting combat to ideally please everyone would be a great idea.
Agreed, unfortunately it is the PvP Community that has been the most vocal about the 1.9 combat changes, and it doesn't help that many voices are just complaining instead of providing constructive feedback. Most casual players of minecraft aren't as passionate about the combat aspect. After it is Minecraft not PvP simulator with some mining and crafting.
I thought that I was the only one that actually liked the 1.9 combat. But some things that are in the snapshots could be for the better. I personally don't like the bow thing and the fact that we need sweeping edge to have sweeping on swords.
@@mariii__881 yeah, I feel like swords sweeping should be buffed to more than half a heart without enchantments tbh, also the cooldown for attacks really should be applied by the attacking player and not by i-frames.
Honestly I don't understand why people like the spam clicking aspect of old pvp so much, punishing misses in a clearly defined way is a good thing for the skill ceiling.
@@mariii__881 That's the result of so called "vocal minority" making the noice. It's always the vocal minority, that gets things changed. As the people, like you and me, who likes the modern combat system doesn't make any noice.
Yes, the 1.9 combat changes are controversial, but mostly for PvP community.
I see the old combat system as brainless whack-a-mole fest. PvP people can call it jitter clicking all they want, but that doesn't change the fact what it in reality is: Just a fancier way to say you're spam clicking.
i agree with this! i’ve been playing minecraft since like alpha but i’ve never engaged in pvp. with my only experience being pve, i never saw any issue with the combat update… it was different, but i didn’t mind it, and i enjoyed the element of timing, even if the space between hits felt a bit long. but in the few times i’ve played pvp with friends since, i’ve liked it a lot less than i did in my few times before the update. it’s just a diff experience
I love these “documentary’s minecraft videos” your making. Personally I think the combat after 1.9 is fine maybe it’s because I played on iPad and later went to pc and saw no change in a sense
1.9 is no longer the most controversial edition..... I think we all agree on that
wild i mean mild i mean child update lmfao
Literally 1.19.84
This video is CRAZY well made and researched. Really happy to see someone bring accurate information about combat snapshots to a wide audience.
Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person in the whole damn MC community who actually likes 1.9 combat AND shields.
Same man, it takes alot more skill imo
Same
im a bedrock player and i actually want the 1.9 combat update lol
I like 1.9 to but i still dislike shields
@@astra6485 no bro u can just crit spamm and u would be better then 90% of players
The thing is, a “less controversial system of pvp” by its very nature, can not exist. No matter what they do at this point, there will always be people who prefer 1.9 combat, it’s been around for far too long now for people to just let it go (just like the 1.8 community was when 1.9 first came out).There will also be the same community of people who refuse to update past 1.8 even IF the pvp system receives a major overhaul. And if they DO change pvp again, it won’t solve problems or unite communities, it will create more problems and divide the community further. Having 2 types of pvp was controversial sure, but 3?! If they don’t do this perfectly for both the casual players and the hardcore pvp players at the same time, it won’t end well.
yea, and after 1.19.1 and the global bans, one wrong step and the community is completely turning on mojang. I already know a bunch of people who refuse to update past 1.19 cuz of the new TOS, i don't even want to imagine what would happen if they changed combat too
If they can make a gamerule for bridging mechanics, they can make a gamerule for 1.8-1.9 combat mechanics as well. This was a change we've requested for years, ever since 1.9 came out in the first place. However, considering the recent events regarding chat reporting, I'm completely confident that Mojang has stopped listening to its community altogether.
Something I noticed in the footage for the PvP servers is that there are quite a few players that use their left hand to attack and their right hand to block. I knew this setting has existed for a while, but I didn't think that many people used it. I wonder if those players are actually left handed in real life or if they see an advantage in having their left hand as their main hand.
While I can't speak for Minecraft PVP specifically, I've always used left handed view models in first person games whenever available. This is mainly due to a habit from FPS games like Counter Strike where it was traditional.
The idea is that humans have eye dominance. In my case, I'm right eye dominant, which is a way to say that I use my right eye with higher priority than my left. As a result, things on the left side of the screen are less obtrusive. By keeping my weapons on that side of the screen, it's easier to focus on the environment I'm playing in. That's the idea anyway.
That said, I hesitate to think this is the actual reason since shields are much larger than swords are in Minecraft and actually take up more space on screen.
honestly everything about this combat snapshot seems fire. it's like the PERFECT middle ground. i want it NOW
personally, I really love 1.9 pvp because it gives players that just want to play casually a chance and makes it so you wont wear out your mouse as fast. also, and this is just my opinion, but nearly every feature in the combat snapshots seams the worst of both worlds, for example if potions can stack that makes them so much more overpowered because normally to have a retinal of potions it takes up a large portions of your inventory, also if you can get interrupted from eating that will make healing 10 times more difficult and that is a huge detriment, especially to hardcore players, who want to stay alive.
However, only normal potions would be stackable. Also, even I say that food is a bit overpowered in the moment, especially if you got a way to strong amour.
But yes I also love the current p v p/e system. It does not require me to just spam my mouse to death. I don't like pvp that much, but with the old version I wouldn't play it at all.
Food is only overpowered in Java though, the healing systems both really need to be looked at!!!
Wear out your mouse? After excessively playing Counterstrike for years my mouse is still fully functional
@@einhalbesbrot i don't think you understood that 1.8 pvp involves trying to break your mouse as fast as possible just for a CPS advantage
@@anonymousfilipino3232 that finger scratch thing?
I would love to have a gamerule or make it an option when making a world to make the pvp either 1.8, 1.9 or combat snapshot.
True that would be a great addition but its been a year for that idea and i don't think they spoke about it ,im not sure why they don't like this idea or something, even someone popular like antvenom have said it like many years ago when 1.9 was still new
Honestly, the combat snapshot, based on how you described them, just seems needlessly complicated. It doesn't really feel like a middle-ground, given all the other mechanics tacked on top of it.
@@Boggas334 yeah it has a simple system for new players and people who don't do pvp and then it has a more advanced system alongside it for the more serious pvpers it's not really needlessly complicated as OP is making out to be it's just a simple to use system with deeper mechanics you can take advantage of as time goes on
1.9 is already far more complicated than lego simulator needs to be.
Y'all describing this as current and 1.8 pvp it isn't overly complicated.
Seriously, this one sounds really easy to understand and learn. Hold for fast attacks, wait a bit for long ranged one. Also kinda repeat the same combo
Meanwhile "easiest" pvp for a newbie: okay so I just spam clicks?
Why isn't it working... Why people easily kill me?! Why the hell they hit me at so huge range?! WHY?! Okay okay, so strafing, other things etc etc WHY THE HELL PEOPLE HIT ME AT SUCH LONG RANGE WHILE I CAN'T?!
@@shawermus ping lol. also get of hypickle of ur trying to get good
its really not that complicated, its just that 1.9 pvp is way too simple
I'd personally like a feature where you can throw any weapon/tool and have it do 1.25x damage, with a balancing thing being that by clicking at the right time, you can catch and then use or return to sender
Well there it's weapon throw mechanics, but I still wouldn't say that it's actually a good idea.
Because:
1 - Tridents would become kinda useless.
2 - you basically sacrifice a whole weapon(maybe with enchants) for 1.25x damage and longer range. And no, it's not like throwing a weapon wouldn't make you lose it if it wasn't at point blank range *and* if it wouldn't drop as a regular item.
Maybe with axes it could be kinda useful but otherwise a meh mechanic.
However if instead of increased damage it could be used as a combo breaker then it would have some potential... Like making opponent slower or his weapons on short cooldown.
Problem with your idea it's that you're trying to add something that's already in the game in a form of Trident and bows. And pvp it's mostly close range, long range options are just isn't needed that much
This definitely needs to be the focus for the next update
För someone who has throughly played both 1.8 and 1.9 , I loved playing this because it takes the best of both worlds.
It fights feel rapid like 1.8 but still impactful and varied like 1.9 . The meta and playstyles are diverse I've tried both 1.8 like "w tap combos) and 1.9 like (Crit spamming" playstyles and both of them worked well and that's scratching the surface. It makes pvp feel like a feature and not something players are just abusing.
I remember that like a year ago Ulraf was asked on Twitter about the combat update and he said that Jeb didn't have the time to continue work on the combat snapshots and that in the future the whole mojang team would be working on the combat. At least something along these lines. It's been a while so I could be wrong
Good to see that Mojang devs don't waste their valuable time with unimportant stuff like combat and focus on things that actually benefit the game's community, like the 1.19.84 Censorship and Spyware Update.
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Spyware lmaoo
Really good work, haven't seen a lot of coverage for the combat tests.
I like a lot of the ideas but can also see how annoying they'd make certain aspects of PvP too. I hope they aren't sidelined forever!
One thing I'd like to see would be certain weapons doing more or less base damage to mobs. It would only be minor like a trident for example doing 2 health (1 heart) more base damage to phantoms for example, or bows doing 1 health (half a heart) less to skeletons.
It would be like having Smite, Bane of arthropods etc and add some slightly more variety to weapon functions.
we should keep supporting these snapshots to show that we really want jeb to keep going with the tests
Seriously, nobody makes Minecraft videos half as entertaining as yours. Keep it up, man, your content is awesome!! I can't get enough. And you're a powerhouse to upload such high-quality stuff while you're still in university
Thanks, I appreciate it a lot :)
Im glad people loved the combat snapshots, I played for a while in that server and had a lot of fun, but my fear was people not wanting to move on and leaving behind the 1.8 combat.
I hope that the gameplay team take care of the base that Jeb developed and hopefuly we'll have the best combat system Minecraft have ever had soon.
@old channel Why do you think it is that bad?
@old channel In this whole paragraph that I had difficulty to read due to the high amount of spelling mistake, I saw only two ACTUAL point
1 - A new system was and will happen, the 1.8 combat had many flaws (like cps being a physical skill which meant that some people just can't have that skill) and so 1.9 tried to remove those problem, but in the process created other problem and so people got angry (Like you do right now with the combat test), the combat test tried to fix the flaw of 1.9 by inserting the good thing of 1.8 and fixing some other things
2 - The healing blocking, while an annoying mechanic at first, avoid player chugging 20 Notch Apple and 3 stack of Golden Apple and make fights 50x longer then it should (which is a problem with BOTH pvp type btw, tho 1.9 do get slowed down more due to it being slower in general)
In any case, let's talk about the other "points" that you bring
1 - I am guessing by "cpvp" you mean "competitive pvp" or "click pvp"? With how many spelling error, I can't even know if it's a spelling error or not so I can't argue against it without further info
In any case, you say that the combat test ruin "cpvp" and "pvp methods", but how?
2.1 - Those "Stupid and Useless" mechanic that you can't say that makes the version an hybride of 1.8 and 1.9 is intentional. The goal was the bring the good part of both combat, good job for finding something that was already known AND was mentioned in this video
2.2 - Oh and also, again, you just say that the mechanic are useless/stupid without even mentioning WHY they are like that
3 - Again, saying that 20% of the things suck without saying why is meaningless
In other words, bring actual argument instead of bitching on everything for the sake of it
@old channel Yeah, there are some problems like the fact that you cant eat while fighting or how the regen works, the shield is something people dont like too; but as an idea I like a lot the core of the new combat mechanic, it can feel weird but after playing for a bit you'll find the trick.
I like that it tries to have the best parts of 1.8 and +1.9 combat, so spam clicking isn't the way to win always, you can try differents strategies like trying to do perfect timings, then holding or even spam clicking in a determinated moment might work, I also like that all the "weapons" are useful and you can master how to use all of them, overall with the problems it has I think that we're going in the right direction.
Now I ask, have you tested it for a good amount of time in a server?
@old channel 1.8 combat is not all about spam clicking, but you cant deny it's a very important part of it.
A new combat system is very important right now, specially for parity with bedrock, because 1.9 might be very confusing for new players and Mojang dont want to go back to 1.8 system because for PvE it's too simple, thar's why a new combat system is needed, it's not all about PvP.
Im not a profesional at PvP in 1.8 or 1.9 or any version because it isn't what I most play, but I can defend myself pretty good in a fight at any version; so I want the best possible combat for the game and to do that we need to give our feedback, to tell what needs to change, what have to be added or removed; but something that the game really needs is a new combat system that works FOR EVERYONE, pros, new players, casual players, for PvE, everyone. And what I most want is server to update to the lastest version, there is so much potential for new minigames and stuff in servers that is wasted because they are stuck in 1.8.
@old channel honestly I think it ruins axe too
I like the slower 1.9 Combat. The Combat Snapshot mechanics look a bit complicated. But I like that there trying to make everyone happy and maybe the big servers will then update from there 8 year old base.
I remember watching a video about the new combat update in 2019, but I thought it was clickbait because it never happened.
The multishot enchantment acting like a shotgun is so cool. Ngl right now the crossbow is inferior to the bow in many ways, no infinity, no power, no flame
Thanks for addressing this also as a bedrock player I hate the combat on bedrock because of having no features and a sword is incredibly op
Thank you so much for making this video, as a Combat Reforged mod it's really nice seeing a lot of people start playing again and see the interest come back to life!
also
6:58 YOOOO SLYZE
I actually like how combat is right now
agreed
yes
4:32 that 3 hit combo is so satisfying
1.8 combat with sweeping attacks from swords would be kinda broken
thank you for this. very education.
also you have a relaxing voice to listen to.
I’m not a PvP player, not even close. Though, I can understand why 1.9 is so disliked for combat. I am from the 2013 era of Minecraft and I still like the versions before the combat overhaul.
I’m towards the casual side, which for me - in my opinion - the 1.9 combat works fine. Many will not agree with that statement, that’s okay, don’t plan on making a stand to defend it completely. As a casual player, I don’t mind.
TL:DR - I understand why 1.9 is hated, but I don’t mind it personally.
Honestly I think this is why the combat tests have seemingly been put on hold. A lot of the long time dedicated players hate 1.9 combat but for anyone who's casual, not interested in pvp, or only started playing after 1.9, (aka the vast majority of MC players), it's not nearly as big of a deal.
At this point another combat update could just end up starting a whole new set of controversies for something that "most" players probably think doesn't need fixing
I prefer it to 1.8 but Im so used to 1.8 from all the servers using it
You've got a solid point there, 1.9 combat definitely feels like it was designed for a PvE or "casual" environment, definitely not made for a pvping community.
I'm in a similar position. As someone who also started early in 2013 and spent much of my time on pre 1.9 versions, I don't mind 1.9. I don't mind pre 1.9 either but 1.9 combat feels slightly more interesting to me. That being said, I also never really did much server stuff or much PVP in general, and I mostly love 1.9 for the Elytra and Shulkers. And just from watching players PVP on TH-cam videos, 1.9 combat actually looks to be a good bit more interesting and varied as well.
I think at this point the debate has settled anyways, people aren't as riled up about it anymore and players just use whichever system they prefer.
@@StuffandThings_ yeah the situation has calmed down now but i remember when it first came out and man the outrage lol. as a pvp player back then i practiced and practiced to be able to reach 18 clicks per second for pot pvp and when the update came out, people like myself hated it. now that i really only play survival, i’ve grown to like the combat change. but man the good old days off jitter clicking my arm off lol.
Now that you bring it up, I remember a TH-camr demoing one of these snapshots that I think broke snowballs several years back but it never crossed my mind after that
You mean Antvenom?
@@dannyboylingatong4303 I couldn’t remember if it was him or LogDotZip because it had been years but likely yes
I hope they do go back to releasing more of these tests, and eventually implementing a final version in a real update. I never cared about 1.8's combat (and in general I think just spamming an input in any game's combat is really lame), but having played 1.9+ for years, I just don't really like it. I don't like how optimal combat is just jump, click, wait, jump, click, wait, jump, click, you mistimed it and didn't get the crit, wait, etc. It's so slow, it's just boring, and kind of needlessly stressful because mobs can just gang up on you while you're doing all that waiting. It makes combat feel really unfair at times.
You’re really good at convincing us how good this update is! When I first saw the update I really despised it, but you explaining it made it sound really cool!
Good video: I hope that by using your platform some interest will be revived in the Dev team.
It's crazy: the Dev team can slave away on content updates, or a single programmer could go and make the most highly anticipated update in ages in their spare time.
Me and my friends currently use the combat tests from time to time when playing together and it's a pretty good time. A few changes I'd recommend (from a very long list).
- Holding attack should be less optimal (currently it attacks with only 1 tick imperfection over timing swings, change to 2/3?)
- Anvils should be able to apply weapon enchants to tools as they could previously - I need a sharp 5 hoe.
I think Minecraft should have something like development channels, that you can change between. For example, you would have a channels for combat system, or other (non)controversial stuff that needs changes. When there's a lot of agreement and stability, it would be merged into the game release. Similar thing you can see on open source software (git branching, for example).
This would allow the playerbase to also work on the game with feedback, which is a crucial thing for games like Minecraft.
It’s a shame Technoblade never got to use this update. I know he would’ve done some craziness with the stackable potions.
As a CTS main for 2 years playing 1,8 a bit too i love to see another youtuber talking about CTS
Man I really hope they haven't just straight up forgotten these existed (they probably haven't) but it still is so cool seeing this. Really hope they do make combat test 9 at some point
Oh and you didn't mention some of the more interesting parts, like how potions can stack to 16 and how hoes now attack faster, have the range of a trident and can now be given the sharpness enchantment
he did mention the fact that potions can stack to 16.
@@thetruetrident oh he did? might have missed that (that's still a major thing since water bottles can stack in this)
He did mention potions stacking and higher hoes range.
Hoes can have sharpness in this? That's cool I must have missed that when they first came out
“jitter click that sub button” got me lmaoo
9:20 is the answer, no need to thank me
The combat in Minecraft is so simple yet they could mess it up so much. By just adding the shield and the charged attacks. I like to see there was planned to combinate both, as I like the idea of charged attacks. I hope to see this added for all them PVP peebs out there.
Also Mojang is now moving Java and Bedrock edition together to get rid of all those version problems. It is even called Java & Bedrock Edition now on Microsoft Store.
I mean,you guys really want parity between version tho
I feel like I know what they are going to do, with 1.19.1 being released they will need a strong reason for players to update their game, and what better way would be to release a heavily wanted update for 1.20
oh damn that is kinda true
The "NoChatReports" mod: Am I a joke to you?
@@MCAlexisYT you can't install mods for console, plus not everyone knows how to install one
As a 1.9 Enthusiast (excluding shields blocking swords completely and netherrite defeating the main basis behind combos promoting an unfun crit spamming combo system) I really enjoyed seeing a bridged gap between the two. Thanks for the PSA!
i mean if u wanna be one of those guys at least shit on crystal
@@frungggg cpvp is just too good for you
Now we have crystal pvp, 1.9 is soooo great huh
@@KwikBR im not saying i dislike the gamemode ive just seen 1.7 kids shit on it a bunch
@@makaveliba4243 it is genuinely a fun and interesting gamemode that plays extremely differently from regular legoman stab stab
cant wait for minecraft 1.19.84 where they remove the game because it can be seen as too inappropriate
tbh i think this would be the best update yet
The new combat update was the first thing to get me excited in a while
I definitely prefer 1.9+ combat. it actually requires more skill, whereas pre 1.9 combat is *just* "cps cps cps I need more cps yessss I can do 20 cps I'm gonna shred everybody in skywars"
@TurtleAndSandwiches Well Fruitberries is a god and he mostly abuses his movement to win, not through shear brute force clicking
@TurtleAndSandwiches I will say though that's still only two mechanics that really determine PVP outcome - cps and strafing. Basically just how fast can you swing and how fast you can strafe back and forth. 1.9 definitely has its own set of specific things to master for good combat outcomes, but its a tad more varied than just two basic click based mechanics.
1.9 combat literally takes no skill. That’s why people who were bad at 1.8 pvp like it so much any 1.8 pvper can still be good at 1.9 pvp but not the other way around. 1.9 pvp is literally hit or miss and depending on who gets the first few combos basically wins the whole fight as 1.8 pvp is way more skill and technique based with different types of clicking methods, jitter clicking, butter fly clicking, drag clicking etc and needing to be a fast inventory manager mid fight to switch pots, soups etc and other strafing methods like W tapping, S tapping, back and fourth strafing etc. 1.8 pvp is absolutely not all cps based because someone who’s a 5 cps can still beat a 15 cps player if they master all these other techniques
@@makaveliba4243 are you fricken stupid? 60% of players i fight in 1.9 just spam click, also 1.9 really takes so much more skill r u trippin?
I think it’s worth noting that bedrock recently added shield breaking about a month ago and this is worthwhile because it wasn’t previously in the game
bedrock bridging in java ? please no.
What went wrong in 1.9 I think is that it works well in pve in single player and I don't think it had PvP in mind. I really hope that the new combat continues to be updated.
If they fking add this i will quit the game 1.19 pvp is so perfect, some parts are cool, but the fact that you can once again just spam click drives me crazy af.
You can also spam click in 1.19
But like in 1.19, spam clicking is a really bad strategy in the combat tests
@@profx33 you cant rlly spam click in 1.19 to fight lol
@@-thebanditpenguin-9309 you also cant do that in the combat tests, you will just lose
@@profx33 i rlly hope they dont add it lol
IMO 1.9 combat is better than all others just because the different game modes and strategies also people say you can’t combo on 1.9 which isn’t true at all and it’s way more satisfying to combo on 1.9
@RyGrassGaming 1.9 pot 1.9 uhc 1.9 godsword slugfest and many new gamemodes idk what u mean
I prefer 1.8 pvp personally. I find it dumb that the sword, the tool specifically designed for combat in new versions, is in practical use, useless. Hopefully they can fix the system and make it fun again
useless? sword is literally the best weapon in every version
@@owenleonard3153 axe
@@ssupermarlo Axe is only good for early game.
@@ssupermarlo lmao
@@ssupermarlo wdym. sword is still better
Me in the middle of a pvp duel while this video came out thinking the exact thing. Lmao
1.20 was literally thr random shit update
The changes seem great. I am really disappointed they didn’t include them in an upgrade
minecraft combat has always sucked ever since the beginning of the game. there is a reason "pvp" players are using always using server plugins and crap to forward their retarded meta. mojang needs to stop catering to this unhappy toxic minority of players and focus on making the base survival combat balanced. in its current state minecraft's pve combat is extremely unrewarding, but still much better after 1.9. (yes, 1.8 combat sucks. get over it)
The new combat update is gonna be a battle on who can use the report system faster
whitecub approves
1.9 may have ruined pvp but the amount of durability it saves on mob farms is insane
I always think poor Jeb he’s off in a dark closet working on combat update 2 and everyone else is working on fun updates xD
I play on bedrock edition so I obviously never got the combat change, but I am still definitely interested in the topic. I really hope that combat gets changed semi-soon just because I feel like it needs to be changed and that it would spice up the game a bit. Amazing video explaining everything!
The ideal shield:
1. NO CROUCH TO ACTIVATE. This only blocks vision and becomes really annoying when exploring. Holding RMB is so much better.
2. Ability to attack while holding RMB. This would temporarily drop the shield, making you vulnerable. The strike could also be delayed slightly, making the animation match the action while allowing a counter attack for quick players.
3. The shield blocks all low amounts of damage, but higher damage, say a creeper explosion or a sword, would only be reduced, with higher damage being reduced less. Any projectile that hits the shield would be reflected or destroyed, depending on the projectile, without dealing damage to the user. This essentially makes the player a tank, with the shield acting as extra armor and nullifying or reducing knockback.
This encourages a playstyle that is flexible, allowing the shield user to be like a tank or use it to escape combos, giving a good tool. Against a shield user, axes would not only disable, but also damage the player, giving the shield risk and reward. The shielding player would still take damage from the sword as well.
1 yes
2 well you have to let go off the rmb to attack anyways
3 the shield already only blocks low amounts of damage, 5 to be exact
I've honestly gotten so used to the new combat that I totally forgot about the combat snapshots.
The latest Minecraft bedrock betas include new touch controls, hopefully it is a step towards the pvp update
There should be an trident enchant that pulls people in your direction like fishing rods do when your trident comes back to catch people running away for ever
I think it's still being slowly and secretly worked in the background, another big reason why the update would take longer is bedrock edition and it's multiple device platforms. If any of you follow the betas, you'll see that the phone controls are being worked on and changed, and we can all agree that the phones would be the hardest to implement combat changes on. Everyone is welcoming the change cause it's time we got more modern controls but they overlook that this could be tied to the combat update (potentially).
I think that too many people forget that combat mechanics are not JUST for pvp, it’s actually incredibly important for regular survival minecraft. The pvp community is big, but it’s tiny compared to the number of players who play survival. Survival mode combat (ie pve) ALWAYS has to come first, and 1.9 combat, while maybe worse for pvp, is I think in general much better for survival mode/pve.
Hopefully Mojang can find a system in these combat snapshots which is best for survival AND pvp. Although (especially given Mojang’s recent performances), I do fear that a lack of communication with players could lead to further splintering the playerbase into 3 - people who prefer pre 1.9, post 1.9 or the new system.
I had a few ideas on how to tweak the system to make it more variable and dynamic
basic ideas:
pickaxes do tons of damage to armor, and somewhat ignoring it, however it does less damage as a downside.
hoes are fast and quick, with sweeping attacks allowing players to speedily blitz in and do some damage, however a single attack is weak.
axes and swords remain unchanged, i have no problem with them.
shovels do loads of knockback, good for fighting at high areas where a drop could easily mean death
crossbows can have punch.
bows would remain relatively unchanged, however power would make arrows shot by the bow go faster, as either a drawback or an advantage, skilled users should be able to use it.
Loyalty tridents thrown when in the offhand will come back to the offhand, allowing for dual wield PvP
That's too fun/effort for mojang to do themselves, someone will probably make it as a mod however
I was excited for this combat update too, but it never came, and just like lot of others, I afraid that this new combat update will never come out.
I think the combat snapshots are perfect with the addition of 2 changes
1-make shield block only one hit from weapons before cooldown (any tool that boosts dammage so not fist)
2- put bedrock bridging in for parity
I hope 1.20 is the version that finally brings a better and equal combat for Java and Bedrock
I feel like we could see some new combat test snapshots soon. The time we usually see them happen is in between updates. The first batch were released after 1.14, the second batch were released after 1.15, and the third batch were released after 1.16. Caves and Cliffs was an exception like you said because it was a big update that they ran into problems with, but since that’s out and 1.19 is also out, I think now they have the opportunity to revisit them before we get the announcement of 1.20
All they need to do is take the newer version and make the hit speed faster, and go back to the old KB. They can keep the hit timing meter thing for all I care. And for those who complain about ping being important, just learn to hit select. It also wouldn't be terrible if there was a minimum hit ping of 50.