Alienware AW2524H 500hz Review - Professional FPS Monitor
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- The surprisingly Hot and Heavy Alienware 500hz Beast - The weapon of choice for the Tactical Shooter Professional. Thanks for the patience guys! Now on Sale for $746.99!
If you play Counterstrike, Valorant, Rainbow Six, Or Overwatch and you want to play for money and not for fun - This might be your dream come true.
Playing with this was really special because it had a smoothness that I would love too see implemented with MBR or in an OLED - But this is the first of its kind and for that its pretty damn cool!
What is the highest Hz monitor in the world? This one.
How much is the Alienware 500hz monitor? $746.99 plus Tax
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0:00 - You're not Hardcore unless you Live Hardcore!
0:31 - The 480hz LAPTOP?!?!
0:56 - Zorz the Third to accommodate
1:14 - The Build Quality
1:45 - The Height Issue
2:02 - Thing is HOT! Literally
2:30 - Aesthetics
3:06 - Settings in Monitor
4:12 - Response Times - Going to Extremes!
5:08 - The Cons
5:44 - No HDMI 2.1 (Ultra Sad)
6:40 - Near Mantis Shrimp Worthy for 500hz
7:09 - NVIDIA LATENCY REFLEX ANALYZER
9:03 - Quake Champions does NOT get 500 Frames
9:43 - Brightness (We are all unique snowflakes)
10:33 - ULMB / BFI / MBR / Anti motion Blur
12:48 - HDR - La Vesa Certified Black 400
13:40 - The Pros - Coating/Flexibility/Patrick Bateman Cat
14:19 - G-Sync Tips
14:31 - The .8 ms Difference!
15:33 - Motion Blur 500hz vs 360 ULMB
16:33 - Optimal Settings
16:54 - Max Fps Testing
18:55 - Thoughts of overall Value
19:18 - Who is this Monitor actually for?
21:36 - Conclusions & Final Thoughts
23:16 - Dewey Finn's Zorz Band!
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I like how you just sit there and say it how it is, feels very genuine -No BS. Thank you good Sir.
Thank you Kyle! Appreciate the Zorz Comment!
Bravo - another informative and entertaining video - my man
Thank you!!
humble and genious on equal parts. Touching on aspects/angles in your reviews nobody else does that ARE hardcore to the bone (ie the hdmi 2.1 vs DP 1.4 input lag decrease perception, which btw im looking forward to a video on that!). Funny, truly. AND you also praise the channel I do also respect the most in the topic of PC tech videos: Battle(non)sense. so keep up the good job! and bring on the video on hdmi 2.1 ;) zorz ftw!
Thank you Marc! Welcome to the nation of Zorz! I'm looking forward to getting back to mice and mousepads after these next couple ones. Never did I intend to become a damn monitor scientist!
great info as always dude
Thank you Mike!
Very nice video. Entertaining and educative at the same time. Love it! 👍
Thanks Oli!
he is beautiful i agree
love your review man keep it up and god bless
Thank you so much! Stay Zorz in the Zorz Nation :).
Thx for this review, you Zorz my day.
Thanks dude! You Zorz MY DAY!
super underrated great vid! Love the honesty and the detailed yet simple coverage of the monitor
Thank you very much for being so Zorz yourself!
Noice, my zorz doze of the month
Dude Thanks FB! I was sick for a bit and got delayed but I'm coming in hot and heavy again and really appreciate you. Gonna move forward with the discord and the onlyfans... I mean patreon (or website). Thanks for watching! Analyzer is dope but it wouldn't effect my decision to buy or not buy a monitor.
extremely helpful, thanks. gonna buy one
Wait! I wouldn’t. I don’t think they are worth it comparing it to the new 540 tn panels.
This review is Zorz, Looking fresh by the way!
Thanks!!
Love this review better than frame chasers. Problem is this monitor is for valorant, cs:go, and maybe siege.
Id loved to see you demonstrate straffing shooting. Thats where this monitor shines.
Thank you my friend! Frame Chasers is fun though and it’s not a commotion :) but I appreciate it !! I have since gotten rid of the monitor as I just didn’t vibe with it as much as the Zowie. I’m glad you’ve joined the Zorz Family!
thanks brother, pulled the trigger, canceled the 380hz asus, and the 360hz xl2566k, pulled the trigger on this.
On this 500hz alienware? Oooh. In the end I wasn't so fond of it. I found the Zowie to be better overall. This thing felt off.. But let me know what you think. I just ordered the 540hz Dyac2 Zowie too... so well see on that one too.
LCD & LED backlight strobing / OLED blackframe insertion is nuts. Been using it for over 10 years back to when it could only be done using Nvidia's Lightboost (made for 3D VIsion but could be "hacked" to be used for 2D). I started with the Asus VG248QE, then Asus VG27HE, BenQ XL2720T, Dell S2716DG (basically an Asus PG278Q), and finally Asus PG27V / PG27VQ, all in triple-screen setups. When putting these monitors in strobing mode (Lightboost, ULMB, MBR, BlurR, DyAc, etc.), at just 100 Hz, let alone 120 Hz, the motion clarity absolutely OBLITERATES a "normal" monitor even at 360 Hz.
I had a 240 Hz Samsung 32" Odyssey non-Neo G7 side by side with a 144 Hz Dell S2716DG and 165 Hz Asus PG27V /VQ. In "normal" mode, despite the Samsung's slower VA panel, it's motion blur absolutely annihilated that of the faster TN panels. I was shocked. I guess the sample-and-hold method is causing the motion blur even at 165 Hz because these TN panels supposedly have faster pixel response times than the Samsung. The superiority of the Samsung's motion blur wasn't small, it is incredibly noticeable. When I put the monitors in strobing mode, that all changed. The motion blur of the Samsung barely changed. Either the tuning of Samsung's strobing mode is wacked on that monitor or the slower pixel response times now become the "bottleneck" rather than the refresh rate like it did with the 1 ms TN panels in non-strobed mode. In strobing mode, the results are completely flipped and the TN panels, at just 100 Hz, let alone 120 Hz, destroy the Samsung's strobing motion clarity.
So, in the end, depending on the pixel response time, refresh rate, and refresh mode (sample-and-hold / "normal" or strobing / BFI) a monitor's motion clarity will be bottlenecked by either the refresh rate or the pixel response time. This is exactly why my new 45" "0.03 ms" LG OLED has awesome motion clarity but still not on the same level as a fast TN in strobing mode, because, despite the OLED having much faster pixel response times, it can't fully show those quick pixel response times to the user because of the sample-and-hold refresh mode being the botteneck.
Having said that, this OLED at 240 fps / Hz definitely has way superior motion clarity to any LCD/LED in sample-and-hold mode up to 360 Hz possibly even superior to 480 Hz (difficult to be certain). The clarity is sort of like between a really fast LCD/LED @ 240 Hz or 360 Hz and a fast strobing LCD/LED. At times, it actually does look as clear as a good strobing monitor but I know from tests that it's not. I also tested the OLED at 120 Hz and it had atrocious motion blur, barely any different to an LCD/LED. The reason is, again, because the sample-and-hold method becomes a huge "motion clarity bottleneck" at 120 Hz and even still at 165 Hz (regardless of how fast the pixel response times are) as I explained above in the Samsung VA VS Dell/Asus TN comparison.
I 10000 percent agree with you. I also been strobing since nvidia 3d vision with Blur busters app. That's what my dad was using for years.
The new Dough OLED does strobing at 120... but I want it all. I want 360 Strobing Oled. 1440. Then I can be done....
what about 144hz BFI vs 240/360 BFI, what im saying is, is there even much of a difference, i read lower refresh rate black frame insertion has less crosstalk, so if a 144hz dyac has similar motion clarity as a 240 or 360hz with it also, wouldnt it be more beneficial to just use a 144hz, you dont have to run as many FPS and have a similar motion clarity
@@yoked391 I've never tried more than 120 Hz strobing on a TN LCD. I have tried 240 Hz strobing on a VA LCD but the strobing had about the exact same motion clarity as the same monitor in non-strobing mode - I'm guessing because the VA pixels are the motion-clarity bottleneck there (either that or the 32" Samsung Odyssey non-Neo G7 is just screwed-up in strobing mode). The 120 Hz strobing on the TN not only DESTROYS the 240 Hz strobing on the VA, but also destroys any non-strobing TN on the market including 500 Hz non-strobing TNs. A fast TN at 400-500 Hz non-strobing has around the same motion-clarity as an OLED at just 240 Hz non-strobing (or, rather, non-BFI).
To answer your question, yes. In my experience, it's a case of diminishing returns. Strobing at 120 Hz on a fast TN LCD (not sure about strobing VA and IPS as they are slower) is like 90+ % as motion-clear as 240 or 360 Hz TN strobing. As I mentioned above, I've never tried over 120 Hz strobing with a TN, only with a VA (240 Hz) but, based on my experience with 4 different 120 Hz strobing TNs, and based on tons of reviews & tests of higher-than-120-Hz-strobing monitors, I can confidently say that it's a case of severely diminishing returns for motion-clarity improvements beyond 120-ish Hz / fps TN. At 120 Hz / fps TN, the motion-clarity is already almost CRT like, it's insane.
There are benefits to higher-than-120 Hz strobing besides a teeny, tiny bit better (possibly not humanly noticeable) motion clarity. 1) All else being equal, higher refresh rate lowers input lag, having said that, I was always able to play competitively with 120 Hz strobing in hardcore racing sims as well as FPS like Battlefield 3 & 4 so those input lag improvements may only look good "on paper", tests, marketing, etc. and make no difference to real-world gameplay. 2) Some people claim that strobing, even at 120 Hz, bothers them (eye aches, headaches, etc.). It was rare that people had issues with 60 Hz CRT monitors and TVs (ie. 60 Hz strobing) so I find these cases of people apparently being bothered by double that, 120 Hz strobing, a little suspicious but, let's say it's true and not some sort of placebo, then a higher refresh rate (240, 360 Hz, etc.) will reduce or eliminate those bothers. 3. Since strobing cannot be combined with any type of variable refresh rate (eg. G-Sync, Freesync), except I think possibly on a couple Asus monitors but I could be wrong, then you may want to opt for full-on VSync for a perfect image since you really want to have the framerate mach the refresh rate in strobing mode. Well, full-on VSync - while making sure to set Nvidia Ultra Low Latency to "On" (important!) - has almost imperceptible levels of input lag at 240 Hz / fps, let alone 360 Hz / fps, but at 120 Hz / fps, it can still be felt a little (although it's not atrocious like at 60 Hz / fps but it's still present "enough" for super picky players).
Having said all that, there are also downsides to higher strobing refresh rates: 1) getting a game to stay at 240 fps, let alone 360 fps, is much more difficult than 120 fps so it all depends on your game, graphics settings, and PC (GPU, CPU, RAM). 2) There's a potential for more pixel crosstalk (or inverse ghosting) the faster the strobe refresh due to the pixel response times potentially not being able to keep up with the faster refresh rate. Usually a 240 Hz / fps TN strobing monitor is expected to have lower crosstalk then a 120 Hz / fps TN strobing monitor because the 240 Hz one is, hopefully, designed for that refresh rate (therefore the pixels are fast enough for that refresh rate). However, if you were to get that same 240 Hz strobing monitor and set it to 120 Hz / fps, the crosstalk would be even less because, all else being equal, the lower refresh rate gives the pixels more time to fully transition.
So, as you can see, it's a case of give and take. The ultimate setup would be strobing mode at up to whatever refresh rate the monitors' pixels could handle without noticeable crosstalk (ie. inverse ghosting) combined with variable refresh rate (ie. G-Sync). I could have sworn there are a couple exclusive monitors that combine VRR with strobing. If so, check the reviews to make sure those 2 features work good in combination with each other, hope it's TN and definitely not VA (based on my Samsung VA strobing experience mentioned above), and get that.
If you want a compromise where you get image quality (ie. blacks, contrast ratio) that destroy any strobing-capable monitor, while having the motion clarity of a TN at around 400-500 Hz, while "cheating" by only having to have your games and refresh rate run at 240 Hz & fps to get that 400-500 Hz TN motion clarity, while also having perfect "local dimming", with incredible HDR, while also having all that combined with VRR (ie. Freesync), then get a 240 Hz OLED (not less than 240 Hz or else you massively loose out on the motion clarity benefits of OLED due to the non-strobing, sample-and-hold method of refreshing the image being a huge motion clarity bottleneck when under 170 or 180 Hz regardless of how insanely fast the pixel response times are).
@@yoked391 No its not even close. You want 360hz BFI for sure.
Great vid, really want to test 500 HZ some day , wondering how it will compare to the Asus (TN / 540 hz) that was announced a while back. About the new 'Crysis" game , for me it Cyberpunk w/ path tracing
You know what! I totally need to get on that and play that through. I still haven't. That was the last game my Dad wanted to play but wasn't healthy enough to finish. I should do it. Thanks for watching! I really wanna try the 540 ASUS but unless Asus joins the nation of Zorz soon I don't know if they will send to me :)
@@ZorzGaming Im sorry to hear that man, sounds like a great man! Yes Id definitely give it a go , the combination of openworld ,path tracing (dlss frame gen) and the awesome art direction makes for a pretty unique experience imo. I hope they do join the nation, since I just did , when they do, ill be there to watch it!
@@etshotart Thanks man! He was. I'm hoping ASUS will come to their senses and get on the Zorz Train too :). Until then its me and you and all of us! Thank you!
i have one, i never noticed the heat from the monitor but i typically still play at 240 hz due to the computer fan noise. The monitor plays at 480 hz with noticeable improvement in speed that helps in keeping one step ahead of your opponent. For me though it's not worth it if I can play 240 hz with a completely silent system
Agreed!
Indeed few games support 500hz, this is basically new tech so it is overpriced and has a lot of room to improve over the years. Also Pc hardware of today needs to catch up to get 500fps non stop unless tweaking with the settings aka set everything to low graphic. Devs also need to incorporate 500+ fps cap and 8Khz polling rate compatibility into their games. So now it is basically some ecosystem teamwork that we need to have everything optimized. BTW is this monitor native 500hz or overclocked ? greta review Mr. Zorz.
Agree entirely. It's just a taste of things to come. Like the dude said in Mortal Combat :) It comes at 480 and then it has a button in the settings to overclock to 500hz. Thank you!
good catch of "not clean" feeling with DyAc, had it with previous strobed monitor(although not DyAc), have it with this 2566(although way less), been patiently waiting on 2566 review after oled one vid
Thank you! Coming soon! Its sick I can tell you that.
Another thing to point out for these, is unless you have a 4080/4090 you need to have an AMD GPU due to driver overhead on nvidia cards preventing them from hitting 500+ fps.
My 6950XT averages 700-800fps in 1080p low in R6 and hits the fps cap in OW2 and gets well north of 500 in CS and Valorant.
Sometimes life Hz
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Put it on a T-shirt and make yourself some USZ
@@paulcathcart7896 Dude I just might. Kinda wanna name my auto biography that.
I did my customary once a month sweep to see if I could locate any glossy panels and came across this thing, tbh for the price I'd rather just throw another $100 at it and have the LG 240hz OLED (which I already bought and returned for its grainy finish). This is like a monitor only for CSGO at 720p.
Yah that mustard grain aint Zorz.
@@ZorzGaming whats better, zowie xl2566k 360hz dyac or this monitor?
@@yoked391 Depends on what you're playing. Sorry for the late reply.
What about the OG esports games like Quake and Unreal Tournament? Does 500hz make a difference there? I know buying a 500hz monitor to compete against bots is a questionable idea, but still.
If you can maintain the 500frames no problem then it is one of the best competitive monitors. Oh god I wish we had a new Unreal Tournament! PLEASE!!!!
Yo I plan I buying the 500 hz monitor does it have screws so I can add it to my monitor mount?
I believe it does, I’m not sure as I’ve sold it. but I’d hold off on this one till the zowie one comes out
i got it on sale for $440, at this price its worth. I did not want to pay the $900 for the asus tn 540hz, but I may go for the zowie when it's out
Got the 500hz for 440? Well fuck it give it a shot. There was somethings I liked about it but I wasn't thrilled in the end. I just ordered the 540hz Dyac2 so well check that one out together!
Yo, I managed to snag this thing for $399 brand new and was wondering if that's a good deal. Is it a good deal or nah?
I commend your trigger discipline, LordGurciullo! is that a P320 in your left hand?
I think so...
16:00 to 16:33 what i was looking for. Strobing gives me a headache, just like crts did. As long as pixels refresh fast enough at least 90% of the time there should be little to no motion blur across the entire picture. Wonder if these monitors have pixels that fast for 480-500hz. Older 240-360 monitors have noticeable blur due to being early tech examples.
Thank you for noticing! For people affected by strobing and want to be ultra competitive this is probably the move. The pixel response could be better cause it just feels like they are pushing the monitors too hard. CRTS FOR LIFE!
Is it worth to upgrade from AW2521H to this , I mostly play BF4 Metro , I get around 300 to 600 fps
Well I think it’s like I said. How often are you below 500. Frankly I think this is really only worth it for people getting 500 minimum. Like it NEVER DROPS below 500. If you’re fluctuating between 300-600 this is kinda useless. The zowie 360 will be better.
@@ZorzGaming cool thx
What was that resolution and in-game quality settings in Quake Champions at 09:06
I had most everything in low other than textures at 1080 I think.
@@ZorzGaming I can't find full specs of Zorz the Third anywhere.. I am curious if QC is that demanding in 1080p or maybe something's wrong with your setup 🤔
Ahh yes I should list that. 13900k oc to 5.9 (basically) 64 ram oc to 6700 4090 oc hardest possible
It’s not demanding. It’s just not getting over 500 fps constantly. I was getting like 400-520 after I did all my tweaks but that’s not the same as 530-600 like overwatch or 600-750 in valorant. if I’m averaging 430 (let’s say) then it would be better to not use this monitor and go with the zowie 360 dyac. The benefit here is most notable and worthwhile at basically 500 min fps. If you are considering using g sync then this monitor isn’t for you.
@@ZorzGaming Thanks for the details.
I never use Gsync or Freesync, I am a big fan of absolute lowest input lag, so.. frame rates above refresh rates as much as possible.
Are you still using the LG 240 Hz OLED? I have a few secret tips to make the monitor even better.
Ya know I decided to sell it cause I didn't love it for me. But please share!
battlebit coming in at 500+ fps gaming
Cool I'll add to the list! Thanks for watching!
Great review! Side question though, how do you have such a skinny, aesthetic face with high body fat %, do you drink alcohol, or caffeine, or anything, what is your diet comprised of?
I been blessed with a gorgeous face at any weight (at least so far). When I'm 160 lbs I look only a tiny bit thinner. I drink a ton of caffeine but zero alcohol or drugs for almost 10 years. I was a lot thinner a couple years ago but grief etc... I'll get back there.
you look fresh bro
Thanks!!
what graphics card do you have ?
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It's the 24.5 that's fuckin with me, I want 27 dammit. They do have a 27inch 360hz however... :O
I know I have that one too the Asus. It's a tough call. I plan to do a total comparison video soon. Things have been rough in real life lately for me so I been a bit... postponed.
This monitor currently costs 250 euros (including tax) in my country.😁
The pro scene needs to focus on 24-25 inch 1440p 240-360 hz rather then this shit, and dont tell me "oh but the frames" sure you lose 30% fps but you gain a 60-80% clarity and image boost.
I paid $438.00 this weekend. So when is this HDCP HDMI 2.1 on 40 series cards coming again?
The HDMI 2.1 is working quite well on the 40 series cards. I dont know if HDCP is functioning on them though. What did you think of the monitor!
15:20 this is where you are wrong but also right at the same time. For the 1000hz and 1000fps to become persistence blur free(what u actually mean. motion blur is transition time of the pixels) we need instant pixel transition...thus we need oled/qdoled. we dont get there with TN or ips. 360hz, 500hz...heck 1000hz on TN or ips will only get you lower lag and more feeling of smoothness but NOT lower motion blur
Right Persistence blur. I explained in my other video the difference but sometimes don't want to confuse people. Yes imagine an Oled 34 Inch 4k 1000hz 1000 frames. We will get there soon and it will be Ultra Zorz!
@@ZorzGaming that's also why I can't wait for micro led to come to monitors. Currently the smallest size is like a single 77 Samsung TV. It's like OLED, but non organic(I think it's immune to burn in), uses less power, gets brighter, has a higher color gamut(20 bit!?), oh and it has 2 nano second response time.
A millisecond is a very short time, only a thousandth of a second. Light is pretty fast, going most of the way from here to the moon in a second, or 7 times around the Earth in a second, but light can only manage 300km in a millisecond.
A microsecond is much smaller still; it's only a thousandth of a millisecond. Light goes 300m in a microsecond; the width of a large car park.
A nanosecond is only a thousandth of a microsecond. Light goes a third of a metre, or about one foot in a nanosecond.
Oh and per pixel dimming just like OLED.
@@PapaJuan ya i forgot about the micro led. those would be even better...if affordable
@@ZorzGaming i think LG could have given us the 27' oled with 480hz right from the start (meaning its probably technically possible) but they choose not to for them sweet dollars. I will wait for 360-500hz oled/qdoled to upgrade from my AW3423DWF
It's wild how much gamers get into the nitty gritty to find ANY competitive advantage. I have to say though, I don't think I could go back to a non-32'' monitor... They just seem too small.
I have to tell you it isn't easy. If winning in an fps is more important than breathing though... you might do it... :)
HDR on adds input lag, its a waste of this monitor to keep it turned on, also limiting FPS in NCP adds input lag.
I'll have to do more testing regarding HDR input lag. I found it to add a vibrance that felt a little cleaner looking but certainly wasn't mandatory. And for NCP limiting I'd only do that if going over 500 was causing me to be at 100 percent GPU. I need to get the device to test input lag so I can really get deeper into this. Thank you!
@@ZorzGaming Np. HDR adds lag due to extra processing of which lighting zone must be on/off for how long depending on the image rendered on the screen. Not recommended for competitive games.
@@AlexPetcu84 Thank you. I always felt something like that was occurring. Unfortunately I don't have the means to buy the machine that would give me exact numbers at this time...
I feel like the Asus PG27AQN will shit on this in every way.
Probable. But I wish it had HDMI 2.1!
These hertz, hurts the pockets
Paul said it best. Life Hz.
where's your xl2566k review man. XD
Bro I do apologize. Damn life and money and looking for these damn real jobs has slightly delayed me. It's coming!
i hope you the best. It’s ok and keep it up 👍🏻.
@@dark2bone Thanks for understanding!
That monitor have lowest input lag in the world... with complete system from mouse to monitor only 15msec while fastest TN panel zowie and asus 540hz 19-20msec... Oled 480hz dual mode 19msec or 360hz oled.. 19msec..
Interesting. I'd rather take 4 more ms and have something that feels cleaner though. Maybe there was a new firmware update?
I bought the ASUS ROG TN 540HZ Monitor. Its soooooooo much better
I'm sure it is! This thing just wasn't fast enough!
@@ZorzGamingIf you watch totallydubbedHD monitor review it reveals how slow the pixel response time is for the Alienware 500hz. Monitors Unbox reveals how Fast the PG248QP is . When you compare the 2 it is obvious which is the better buy.
Can't liquid cool a monitor!?!?! LinusTechTips here, today we are water cooling a 500hz monitor and overclocking it to 1000hz. 😂😂😂🎉
Hahaha I would if I could!!
Why are u talking about yourself in third person? It's like watching a review from the early 2000s
HAHA :). I'm talking about Zorz the Third - That's the computers name :)
@@ZorzGaming 😂
Alienware 34” OLED is the GOAT
As I said for single player and non competitive it is the damn most beautiful thing :)
monitor height isnt zorz
As we all wish .... a few more inches woulda helped :)
@@ZorzGaming lel
@@ZorzGaming also, monitor arm :)
huh?? Hz and FPS are two Different thing.. MyGhad
I know the shit is complicated man. Honestly I miss just playing games and not even knowing jack shit!