I’ll take a ZL1 in a heartbeat. Car is Very much Under Appreciated. Hellcat’s are cool as well , but more people should give props to this menacing vehicle and I’m a Ford guy.
It's more than that. It's not like the Camaro is some unknown entity like say my Kia Stinger. GM just seems to make some awesome power plant choices but also poor usability choices at the same time and it hurts them.
False. To update or improve anything on these cars is hilariously way to expensive for what little numbers are increased. Whereas a 4 door sedan that puts down the same power while weighing much more is much more logical to me.
Absolutely love my ZL1. I have the 2021 convertible in black . Fastest car I ever owned. Love it so much that I sold my 2018 Corvette 6 months after I got the ZL! !!!
I daily a Zl1 1le and most of the complaints are overblown. It’s one of the best performance/dollar cars on the planet. Wish modding it was easier but so is life .
I had a zl1, I love the look of the zl1 1le but idk if it's worth the extra few grand for me to get it because of the looks. I'll probably take it to a track maybe 1 time lol what do you think?
Definitely don't want to see it go. I am a Camaro guy, I have a 2018 SS and I prefer that more than the vette. It's a lot more bang for your buck. The quality is just perfect for the money. I'm sure going to miss it but I'm keeping mine SS.
The Vette , just because of the different configurations available for the dash gauges why it's a better value and in touring mode it rides better than the Camaro.
Just sold my 2020 zl1 with 2500 miles on it so I can get a track hawk. Mind you. I got waxed by one at the track and it was my personal best time of 11.1 bone stock even the tires
ZL1 all day long, sold my HC and won't look back. Easy to add 200hp with bolt on mods tune and e40, then you have demon power in a car that weighs almost 600 lbs less!
I was born with one arm, and would love to drive the ZL1 somebody. I drove the Scatpack and that is a beast. The ZL1 is something I’ve been dying to get my hands on. One day we’ll get there. This was a dope episode, look forward to more!
Don’t let that stop u one of my moms friends is paralyzed from the waste down and somehow drives a z06 manual don’t ask me how 😂 and I don’t ask him how he does it but he does drive it and he drives it so well u can’t even tell he’s paralyzed until he gets out with his wheelchair
Absolutely, you're safer in a ZL1, 2SS, compared to a Hellcat Especially if you live in Cleveland, or Detroit You won't have to worry about being shot & killed, and car jacked, all because you have a Mopar vehicle
My son just bought a LT1 6-speed, darn fun car to drive. I can only imagine what another 200 HP would do for the driving experience. Side bar - no issues for me regarding visibility, and honestly I thought for sure I would. And the dual mode exhaust sounds incredible - you are right. Thanks, as always.
There are some visibility issues. For starters, u have trouble looking through a curve because of the a-pillar. Turning ur head to switch lanes is a pita because visibility but u get used to it and develop different methods. I love mine and wouldn't trade it for a REHC in a hundred years.
The difference is staggering Charles, the extra 200+hp transforms the SS into a true beast that will scare the crap out of you if you're not careful, I know as I have a '17 ZL1. My friend who did the mods on my car told me "when it don't scare you anymore is the time to add more power".... He's crazy but he's right as he is heavily involved in late model GM performance upgrades. It's cool you and your son share passion for performance cars, you can go to the track and go full on or just do the 1/4 mile runs togeather, either way there's many memories of running a great car together and he will remember them long after you leave him for the beautiful racetrack in the sky. I envy you as my Father had absolutely no appreciation for performance cars and had no desire to even entertain the thought of going with me or even talking about it. Hope you and your son have many safe days of enjoying the SS.
If at the expense of being able to see out the back seat is worth it. In my teens i was a Camaro guy in my 40s its ford & dodge because of being a larger man with a larger wife ...lol
I drive a GT350. Sometimes I wish I would have gotten the ZL1 instead. Then I go for a spirited drive through the hills and forget all about the Camaro. I'm sure I would be happy with the ZL1 too, especially with more torque and h.p.
So the ZL1 has been called a track car by track car guys… comes in just under a cppl Porsches, AMG GT and some other really nice cars… The Hellcat is a drag car… both nice cars for the price. However I have to say did everyone forget that the Viper is the fastest car around Nürburgring… I mean out of EVERY OTHER CAR… Why is nobody talking about this car it’s freakin awesome
As a ZL1 Camaro owner I love the car and it’s very fast yes but I think for a lot of people is why is Chevy so afraid to put the matching horsepower in the Camaro that dodge and mustang puts in their cars they probably would have sold a lot more of them if they would have done so that’s just my take on it but they are an excellent car
I don’t even think it’s because of the horsepower, I think it’s because just like when they killed the 4th gens, GM follows the trends instead of the hearts. GM doesn’t know how or care to market it’s stuff. Except the trucks. When is the last time you saw a Camaro commercial? The big ass. Dodges sell because they market the cars based on heart. Look at the Dodge commercials, power slides, donuts, and general hoonin’. Who tries to copy that with dumb shyt street takeovers?
@@robertc4311 I hear you but I definitely think it's because of the horsepower because if you look at the demon when it came out everyone jumped on it for bragging rights of having 840 horsepowerwhen the red eye came out everyone jumped on it and bragged about having nearly 800 horsepower when the Shelby GT500 came out with 760 horsepower everyone jumped on it but then you have the Chevy ZL1 Camaro with only 650 horsepower I guarantee if Chevy put 800 horsepower in a ZL1 Camaro everyone would jump on it guaranteed
He's right they do respond well to mods. The 2018 zl1 10 speed I used to have made 572whp and 570wtq with stock tune, cold air intake and mbrp cat back. With a tune on e40 from pray performance it made 649whp and 671wtq. Can't wait to get another
Not enough room for me Challenger and Charger better daily driver and better buy. Looks like whomever traded it thought the same since you were at a Dodge dealership 😂
@@kewan2045 bunch of people meaning more than you and one passenger 😂 that means no kids, no family trips, no trips to Home Depot. These are practical things you need for a daily driver. Or maybe you a bigger dude taller and or wider Camaro is a poor choice.
@@MIXINGBOWLMAN do you feel the same way about 2 seaters? You can actually fit kids or small people in the back. That’s why dodge sells more it’s practical. Still not a better drive than a Camaro 🤷♂️
They should have kept making these!!! We need competition to push eachother and the ZL1 is solid competition!!! They look real good and sound awesome!!! As always, great video!!!
I drove a ZL1 manual today because of this video. I have a C8 on order and was in to actually sit in and see a C8 in person. There was a ZL1 on the floor and we started talking about it and what I knew about it (thank you RacerX). Anyway, the salesman says, go take it out. Go get coffee and take it for a good drive. Make sure you have a big smile when you come back, you may change your mind on the car you get. Now I’m seriously thinking of buying the ZL1. We’re both skinny and we got the seats awesome. Like you said, it’s a great place to do business. The rear view camera makes all the difference in visibility. Now I have to decide whether to cancel that C8 order or not….
What a beast! Sounds great too! Still, the styling IMO seems farther off the path of the OG Camaro look. Perhaps it's the styling that is causing the sales to fall behind vs the Mustang and the Challenger? To some, looks are everything too. That said, There's no denying that the ZL1 offers a tantalizing display of agility and power. That would defiantly tick the appropriate boxes for fans! Great review, Racer X!
Love my 21 ZL1... zero visibility issues especially with the camera rearview mirror for me. If you are 7' or 4' I could see having issues. As others mentioned, it can be a little tricky getting in and out if you are careful and don't want to bang up the tight Recaro side bolsters or hitting your foot on the wide side skirts, lol. The seat does have an option to auto back all the way for vehicle entrance and exit to make it easier for people who need that. I love almost everything about the interior minus the silver trim so I've been converting all of the silver into carbon fiber to spice things up a bit. Rear seats are fine.. I have no issues driving around with my kids (teens) in the back and I've sat in the back (passenger side with seat moved up pretty far of course). Would I want to sit back there for a 10 hour road trip? No, lol, I have an NV3500 for that :D The car is indeed pretty low to the ground and flares out wide so navigating a tight drive-thru can be a scary event haha... They def should of included a front camera in the grill or something! Anyways, great video!
Drive-thrus are the worst in my ZL1, getting in and out is kind of awkward but coming from mopar myself. I dont regret a thing! Im FBO rn and its running beautifully!
Great video! The only reason I didn’t make a ZL1 my 7th Camaro is because it is so hard to get in and out of when you have bad back issues. You got to be a gymnast...on the other hand, the Charger Hellcat is much more useful in the daily grind....the trunk on the Camaro was hard to put regular suitcases in...
It's tough to see a iconic muscle car disappear due to the brute strength of the V-8s and that goes for any of them. Awesome content RACER-X keep up the awesome work you do for the muscle car community. God bless you and as always be safe 👍
@@jtc1964x exactly you gotta change the tires on a HellCat because the car gets no traction and also remember this too i've seen many videos of dudes that changed the tires on their HellCats and they still couldn't gain traction and also it depends on pavement too keep that in mind as well
@@BlackghostKiller Agreed. I will say the ZL1 is more RELIABLE at putting its power down. GM's traction management system is vastly superior to the Chrysler-Benz ESP system. Dodge also puts really bad tires on the Hellcats - even the widebodies.
Got a 22 ZL1. Wanted one since 2012! I drove the car from point of purchase to my house. I have not drove it since! Prolly sitting 6 months now.Unbelievable car , just hard as hell to get in and out of!!
Jeff, what you said isn't going to make sense to anyone! I have a C7 corvette and I have back issues and I can get in an out of that fine. A camaro should be even easier. How old are you, like 70?
Not better, not worse. Different. I recently bought a 2013 ZL1 Convertible with only 8,100 miles on it. It is currently at a local performance shop getting a bump to 660 rwhp: long tubes, lower crank pulley, cam, etc. Haven't driven it too much yet...we're just beginning to shed Winter here in New England...but I love the car. For reference, other cars I have owned over the last 4 years: 2016 Mustang GT, 2012 Corvette Z06, 2019 Challenger Widebody Scatpack. I hope to hang on to this ZL1 for a while longer than those. Lol.
I love the ZL1, but I’m 6’5”, and it’s uncomfortable. My Challenger is the perfect daily driver for me. I also didn’t know the ZL1 had such a small displacement blower. Makes sense why folks commonly switch to the Magnuson 2650 blower
Yup, it's a smaller blower, and they have to spin it a little faster. That's gonna create more heat. This is why it didn't work so well on the C7 Z06. More heat, and very little room under the hood for the supercharger and it's intercooler. That would allow the supercharger to become heat soaked, and put the car into limp mode. No good. That's why when they built the 755 hp C7 ZR1, they used a bigger 2.65 liter supercharger, so they don't have to spin it as fast, and they had to cut a hole in the hood, so they could now fit a nice fat cooling brick on top. They weren't gonna make the same mistake twice. Now everybody's putting a 2.65 liter SC like the magnuson tvs 2650. I'm not sure, but i think the hellcats and demons use a 2.9 liter SC?.
I can say this I'm 6ft4 330 had a 16 camaro ss with the Magnuson on it was stolen in January was pushing 650 hp tomorrow I'm picking up 18 zl1 872hp I don't like the fill of the seats for a big guy but I wanted the car hope it widening out a Lil in time
I just purchased my first sport car ever I ended up getting a 2021 hellcat challenger my second runner up was the zl1 I’m a bigger guy so the challenger was the way to go fits me nice can’t believe they make something that will make a heavier man feel comfortable but if I was smaller I’d take a much harder look and probably might of went with the zl1 I think they are very nice and sad to see them go good video
I found you via a ZL1 review about a year ago. I’m purchasing whichever year is the final ZL1 and taking it to Lingenfelter for the 1000 hp Exorcist package. Can’t wait for you to review it! 😎
So many of these comments are spot on, the ZL1 is absolutely awesome but it’s very uncomfortable for bigger dudes and totally unpractical for anyone who’s not single or has kids
Nice car, but I would definitely pick my hellcat over that “because I did lol“ to me the hellcat has a much fiercer road presence especially my wide body, but that’s just my opinion, but great video nonetheless
zl1 all day...challengers and chargers are everywhere...just got a 22 zl1 6spd..i absolutely love it and get alot of looks and compliments driving and looks wise is amazing
In my line of work, I've been fortunate enough to be able to drive several versions of the Camaro, as well as the Mustang, Charger, and Challenger. Of them all, the Camaro had the best acceleration and handling-- because it's built low to the ground like an actual "race car." That said, I also *disliked* it the most-- exactly because it *rode* like a race car... You could feel every nook, cranny, and small piece of gravel on the road. Imho, the one with the best combination of handling, ride and acceleration was the Hemi-powered Challenger SRT. Fwiw
Yes hate to see Camaro go. I have been a long standing Mustang guy. But I have been recently looking at the Camaro. I find performance for the dollar Camaro has unfortunately surpassed the Mustang.
I love the ZL1, it’s such a good overall package, and it doesn’t take a lot to get them to run a good 1/4 time. JLSpeed got his to run 9.90’s with just a cold air intake, headers, drag pack, and E85/93 mix. It’s possible to run 8’s with that little baby blower. I got a 2019 SS, and I’d love to get a ZL1 but I think my next step is going to be a C8. I wish they’d put the LT5 in the Camaro but I don’t see it happening unfortunately 😔
I heard it's happening with the 2024 model year. They're calling it 'The farewell package'. The LT5 is only going to be available in the zl1le model. Just Google 2024 Camaro farewell package. I'm keeping my fingers crossed as a lot can happen between now and then
Yep, sorry to see the CAMARO'S GO!!! CHEVY IS MAKING A BIG/ HUGE MISTAKE... I picked up a 2021 2SS Red Tintcoat... LOVE IT!!! OH, CHEVY.... NO 4 DOOR EV CAMARO IN THE FUTURE EITHER... MY 2SS HAS A SOUL AND I HEAR THE HEARTBEAT EVERY TIME I HIT IT!!! NO EV IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT!!!!
@@eugenejones5087 I know there’s a power difference from my SS but the zl1 pretty much looks the same. I test drove a ‘15 Vette when they came out & I felt crunched in there, I’m only 6’2. Is your zl1 manual or automatic? And if I got a zl1, that’s something else I’ll have to consider. My SS is not my daily so changing gears is nothing. If I got that c8, my excuse from not getting a manual is they don’t come in one, LOL
@@livinglife3230 I have the 10 speed auto. I'm also 6'3 and I was cramped in the c8. The zl1 has a little more room but it's only a weekend car for me. I don't think I could drive it everyday because it's just too small. I will say it's just as fast or faster than a hellcat and most Vettes.
Sad to see Camaro go and prefer the personality of the ZL1 much more so than the C8 Z51. Trying to get my hands on a ‘23 ZL1 1LE but with all the constraints and supply chain issues, its takes some patience and work. Hoping orders can get placed soon. The ZLE will be a long term keeper next to the C8, especially if this is the end of the road for Camaro in general.
I am a Chevy and Camaro fan I bought one last Camaro Z28s in 2002 and still have it.The ZL1 IS one of my favorites ,It is very sad to see it going away again ,I also have a ZO6 C6 CORVETTE absolutely love Ana a 72 Chevy Elcamino ss 496
I own a 2018 ss camaro 50th anniversary hot wheels edition. 4 days ago , I bought a 2023 zl1.....I absolutely love this car! To the 5.0 mustang and turbo audi I left I the dust.....RIP
@@justinkrizenesky yeah I know, pretty much the only thing i don't like about the new ones, well and this goes for all the newer camaros honestly is the space on the inside and visibility otherwise great car
@@justinkrizenesky yeah thats why I like blind spot, because its hard sometimes, I went from a challenger to a kia stinger miss that car but some bad stuff happened when I had that car it wasn't from the car though, and then I got my mustang
In a word... YES!!! I've got the '17 ZL1 with the 10sp auto with every option except the engine block heater as I live in the south. The LT4 s very responsive to even the slightest modifications. The 1.7 sucks however, in '17 Chevy shipped 10% of the ZL1s with defective supercharger and after fighting with the incompetent dealership service a*shol*s i replaced 1.7 with the 2.9 whipple (rattling a bit which is normal but if I had to do it again id go with the Magnusson 2650), pulley, cat delete exhaust, custom performance tune and CAI for 647whp. Very low boost and it still more than fast enough, the extra 100+ hp makes it an even harder car to launch as it's a bitch even in stock 650hp mode much more so with 775 crank hp. It still gets 27mpg at 70mph. Over that it begins to drop off which is easy since this thing don't feel like you're going fast till you so easily and quickly hit 100+, you can floor it at 120 and still be thrown back in the recaros. I had a '15 SRT 392 Challenger that was a nightmare and after 2 years and 22 service calls the dealer just wouldn't fix it so Dodge ate it as a lemon law car. A real bummer as I'd been MOPAR most of my life, the last 3 cars I had were an '06 HEMI Charger R/T, a '13 HEMI Charger R/T MAX (the Dr Dre sound system was the best sounding car stereo I'd ever heard, to this day) and the '15 SRT 392 CHALLENGER. As beautiful as the CHALLENGER is I went for the '17 ZL1 rather than the '17 hellcat and I'm glad I did as it has 64000 miles and it is every bit as insane as it ever was. The only thing that mechanically went bad was the fans unit, there's 11 intercoolers on this thing to do away with the overheating problems the C7 ZO6 had, when the fans turn on it sounds like a damn jet plane but no matter how hard I drive it, even in high heat and humidity the temp guage never moves from its normal operating temp position. And YES, the guage is operating properly. The ZL1 is a true badass that never gets old and looks truly menacing on the road. I'd buy another one before I'd touch a hellcat, especially since Dodge still has quality control issues, after what happened to me and knowing from 2 friends who have hellcats that have been nothing but nightmares I'm even more comfortable with my daily driver ZL1.
@@fredcrum1 I meant like lap time tracks. Weight and chassis alone, I feel the Camaro is more capable at cornering, entering corners faster and leaving faster. Challengers struggle with oversteer so much on tracks. Or at least, that’s what I’ve seen - could also be driver error
I started my Camaro experience with a 67 SS and wish I still had it, but the X took it and sold it. My next was a 79 Z28, sold it to buy a house. Now I have a 2012 SS convertible, 45th Anniversary with only 17500 miles, and never seen a winter. Don't know if I'll be around when they do bring it back, but I hope so for the younger generation.
Of the Muscle cars I like the Camaro the best by far. It's the best looking and it will out handle any of the others. Anybody can make a car that goes fast in a straight line...
This run of Carmaros has grown on me ... but I still think they lag behind Dodge and Ford on looks. And I'm not a GM hater ... I was a Pontiac guy for a long, long time. My concern with buying a Camaro knowing that Chevy is killing it off - again - is that I had a bad experience with GM providing any support for vehicles they stop producing. Even short-term support. I lived it with my '05 GTO and my '16 Chevy SS.
Here, here! And even cars they still produce. They told me, they would not help fix my driver's seat, nor would any parts be made available, for a 2007 Corvette. I understand that was 15 years ago, but when you see Resto-mod cars from the 1960's with brand new factory seats, you have to wonder how hard would it be to make sure there is some kind of replacement around? GM has always been bad at this. You just have to factor it in at purchase. All the way back in the 80's when I asked for help with Fiero seats, they were like "the price of the car". It's crazy how much they hate building or fixing automobile interiors.
Beautiful muscle car but my problem with it is visibility and it’s tight interior maybe if it had the same interior space as a Dodge Challenger it might of been a more popular and successful then it’s competition
ya I sat in a Camaro and felt claustrophobic, the roofline is way too low and the doors are way too high. Then I sat in a Dodge Challenger right after and it was sooo much roomier and comfortable and the view is perfect
The #1 factor for me as a car enthusiast is that it costs an absolute TON of money to add a substantial amount of power to these things. Of course, that can't be said about the Hellcat. Doesn't take much to add 100+rwhp to them. A big thing to take into account for those that chase power with a budget 👍
Exactly...the cars already run even to stock Hellcats cause the weigh 500 lbs less...add those mods and it is at 800+ crank. They don’t have overheating issues anymore...that was the Vette issue
@@FitzCity The ZL1 has 650 HP/650 lb-ft of Torque @ 6400 RPM Weight 3907 lbs. The Hellcat has 717HP/656 lb-ft of Torque Weight: 4,415 lbs The difference in HP and Torque is the Super charger. The Camaro ZL1 has a smaller Supercharger than the Hellcat. If you compare them without Super chargers they are very similar in HP and Torque.
You can add a little horsepower to the Zl1 and beat the living hell out of it all day without breaking anything. That hell cat comes with little tires for a reason. It would break everything that moves it! Now add that money up!!!! Sorry to hurt feelings, but that Zl1 is built a lot better than the over rated hell cat!!! And I like the looks of the hell cat better, but it isn't better than a Zl1!!!
I have no issues seeing out of my ZL1 Camaro. I am 6ft 3 and 226lbs. As far as looking out the back window truthfully I never even adjust the mirror to use it, all I need to see is besides and in front of me.
I will miss seeing this car on the road and the pops and krackles of the exhaust. It's a shame the interior is lowbrow. This car is much nicer than the Dodge hellcat. This car sticks to the road when you take it on the back roads. RIP Camaro.
Camaro is a strange proposition, for a track car/twisty bits I'd go corvette, for a family car a charger redeye. No regrets with these 2 and a Z06 coming this summer.. If I couldn't afford both then a gt500 would be a good compromise.
Chevy are the best vehicles. I am a ASE/ GOLD CERTIFIED auto technician for more than 30yrs. Worked at chryser/dodge for 17yrs of that. I would not own a dodge or chryser or Jeep if you gave them to me.💯💥
Primarily a GM guy, but I have one Dodge and one Ford...what should I be concerned about? The running joke around my group was Mopars run hard and look good, but the door handle will probably fall off while you were still making payments...that was the 80’s
My Eagle Talon burst into flames coming out of a toll booth on my way to work. That was when my life depended on every pay check. The way Chrysler handled that, I will never forgive. Now I drive a C6 Z06 on Saturdays, and a Mercedes C300 daily. Thanks.
I own a ZL1, but love all American performance cars. Sad to see the ZL1, Hellcats going away. Respect Hellcats, always liked Challengers, like the room they have inside, plus the power. Governments green movement sucks, nobody wants a damn EV.
I've had both the ss and now the 2021 ZL1. I've been killing the stock hellcats and edging out the redeyes. The handling is amazing until the road is wet and cold, then shit gets scary. Didn't want the harsh ride of the 1LE, but definitely going to seriously increase the power and handling. I rented the hellcat and definitely did enjoy the power, but the handling was not as capable. I was torn between the mustang gt500 and the chevy zl1 camaro, so I finally chose the camaro and very happy with my choice. Been having a lot of fun
I love both but since I’m more of a sedan guy I have to go with a hellcat Charger because of the space, the balance between practicality and performance, and overall I just like the interior of a Charger better than a Camaro.
I had to make that same choice because bad back and hip....got both fixed now. So I may come back, but I also love the 2017-2019 CTS-V....like the Charger, she a big sexy 200 mph bitch too...
@@RacerX9 The Camaro will be the investment car. It’s on Hagerty‘s list of top collectors! If I’m ever down in Fort Worth this summer with the cars to see my daughter I’ll email you
I've got a rapid blue ZL1 1LE w manual trans coming in anytime now, and took delivery of a indigo blue charger redeye last fall. I'm not ready for electric yet. I plan on keeping both these cars. I would love to order a new Z06 some day also, but I'm probably in over my head already says my wife. Haha
handles at least just as good as a gt350 and has the acceleration of a hellcat. I drove a hellcat just to see how it compares to my zl1 and it felt sloppy and the body roll was terrible.
1st, I live in Mabank so id love to meet you. 2nd- i love my ZL1 (2018) and it’s bittersweet to see them go. As an owner, my unit just became more valuable but that means no new style to look at…not ever, and that sucks.
One with GM's magna ride suspension would be the closest thing to heaven! Lol I know the 1LE package is equipped with magna ride not sure about all. I have a 2015 Cadillac ATS premium performance with the magna ride, simply amazing
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I’ll take a ZL1 in a heartbeat. Car is Very much Under Appreciated. Hellcat’s are cool as well , but more people should give props to this menacing vehicle and I’m a Ford guy.
In 1 word: yes. Problem wit the Camaro is that GM doesn't advertise it enough.
Truth.
I like them both equally
The best way to go in life is to have one of everything all sport/performance makes and models. No favorites just one of everything.
It's more than that. It's not like the Camaro is some unknown entity like say my Kia Stinger. GM just seems to make some awesome power plant choices but also poor usability choices at the same time and it hurts them.
False. To update or improve anything on these cars is hilariously way to expensive for what little numbers are increased. Whereas a 4 door sedan that puts down the same power while weighing much more is much more logical to me.
The ZL1 is a great car. You can't go wrong with a ZL1, Hellcat or a Shelby. Love them all even though I own a Shelby. Excellent content as always.
Amen to this. I appreciate them all. All very well done cars.
Facts.
Absolutely love my ZL1. I have the 2021 convertible in black . Fastest car I ever owned. Love it so much that I sold my 2018 Corvette 6 months after I got the ZL! !!!
Yeah I love the looks of the ZL1, Don't own one, but do hate to see it go away. I'll be driving my 99ss until I die.
I daily a Zl1 1le and most of the complaints are overblown. It’s one of the best performance/dollar cars on the planet. Wish modding it was easier but so is life .
I had a zl1, I love the look of the zl1 1le but idk if it's worth the extra few grand for me to get it because of the looks. I'll probably take it to a track maybe 1 time lol what do you think?
Also I'm sure a 2023 zl1 1le will be a classic/sought after car
Definitely don't want to see it go. I am a Camaro guy, I have a 2018 SS and I prefer that more than the vette. It's a lot more bang for your buck. The quality is just perfect for the money. I'm sure going to miss it but I'm keeping mine SS.
The Vette , just because of the different configurations available for the dash gauges why it's a better value and in touring mode it rides better than the Camaro.
@@stevenberry3294 I’d hope so for twice the cost.
I'm a Mustang guy and I don't want to see the Camaro go. I own a 2018 6 Speed Mustang GT, but I love the Camaro and Challenger as well.
I think the camaro zl1 is the better car to own.
Ofc it is
Just sold my 2020 zl1 with 2500 miles on it so I can get a track hawk. Mind you. I got waxed by one at the track and it was my personal best time of 11.1 bone stock even the tires
@@haroldedinjiklian6267 Camaros are slow
@@blancavostrikov1304 no they ain't! A trackhawk makes everything seem slow unless you are pumping more than 700hp as well with AWD
ZL1 all day long, sold my HC and won't look back. Easy to add 200hp with bolt on mods tune and e40, then you have demon power in a car that weighs almost 600 lbs less!
as a former 2ss owner....yeah.... it's unfortunate that the cam is leaving us.....America will be one less nostalgic model on the road....great vid!
I was born with one arm, and would love to drive the ZL1 somebody. I drove the Scatpack and that is a beast. The ZL1 is something I’ve been dying to get my hands on. One day we’ll get there. This was a dope episode, look forward to more!
Keep pushing, you'll get it.
There's a dude out there that messed up an arm and tracks it with the other one, or at least he was for a while!
No offense bro but.. hands?
Don’t let that stop u one of my moms friends is paralyzed from the waste down and somehow drives a z06 manual don’t ask me how 😂 and I don’t ask him how he does it but he does drive it and he drives it so well u can’t even tell he’s paralyzed until he gets out with his wheelchair
ZL1 is my dream car .... maybe some day
It will happen...
You’ll get it 💯
Absolutely, you're safer in a ZL1, 2SS, compared to a Hellcat
Especially if you live in Cleveland, or Detroit
You won't have to worry about being shot & killed, and car jacked, all because you have a Mopar vehicle
Lmao ain't this the truth Youngstown is the same way
My son just bought a LT1 6-speed, darn fun car to drive. I can only imagine what another 200 HP would do for the driving experience. Side bar - no issues for me regarding visibility, and honestly I thought for sure I would. And the dual mode exhaust sounds incredible - you are right. Thanks, as always.
There are some visibility issues. For starters, u have trouble looking through a curve because of the a-pillar. Turning ur head to switch lanes is a pita because visibility but u get used to it and develop different methods. I love mine and wouldn't trade it for a REHC in a hundred years.
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Yep Mine is a 17' SS with a stick. Definatly exciting and nice riding cars.
@@jamesshiver5380 Lots of cars today have that, not just the Camaro.
The difference is staggering Charles, the extra 200+hp transforms the SS into a true beast that will scare the crap out of you if you're not careful, I know as I have a '17 ZL1. My friend who did the mods on my car told me "when it don't scare you anymore is the time to add more power".... He's crazy but he's right as he is heavily involved in late model GM performance upgrades. It's cool you and your son share passion for performance cars, you can go to the track and go full on or just do the 1/4 mile runs togeather, either way there's many memories of running a great car together and he will remember them long after you leave him for the beautiful racetrack in the sky. I envy you as my Father had absolutely no appreciation for performance cars and had no desire to even entertain the thought of going with me or even talking about it. Hope you and your son have many safe days of enjoying the SS.
If at the expense of being able to see out the back seat is worth it. In my teens i was a Camaro guy in my 40s its ford & dodge because of being a larger man with a larger wife ...lol
Lmao
gotta agree. I always thought of Camaro as a really tough, but uncomfortable boot.
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Thank you for this great video with 21 ZL1Camaro. I like the ZL1 Camaros. Sad to see them go. Sad to see the V8s go.
Absolutely.. I agree
Just picked up my new Camaro SS and wish I could have afforded the ZL1. Such an amazing car
I drive a GT350. Sometimes I wish I would have gotten the ZL1 instead. Then I go for a spirited drive through the hills and forget all about the Camaro. I'm sure I would be happy with the ZL1 too, especially with more torque and h.p.
The zl1 is way better then a gt350
Nice review! I’m a tech for GM, and that 10L90 transmission is amazing with the engine combo. Subscribed
So the ZL1 has been called a track car by track car guys… comes in just under a cppl Porsches, AMG GT and some other really nice cars… The Hellcat is a drag car… both nice cars for the price. However I have to say did everyone forget that the Viper is the fastest car around Nürburgring… I mean out of EVERY OTHER CAR… Why is nobody talking about this car it’s freakin awesome
Cause it’s too rare, expensive, and no traction controllability
As a ZL1 Camaro owner I love the car and it’s very fast yes but I think for a lot of people is why is Chevy so afraid to put the matching horsepower in the Camaro that dodge and mustang puts in their cars they probably would have sold a lot more of them if they would have done so that’s just my take on it but they are an excellent car
I so agree with u.
I don’t even think it’s because of the horsepower, I think it’s because just like when they killed the 4th gens, GM follows the trends instead of the hearts. GM doesn’t know how or care to market it’s stuff. Except the trucks. When is the last time you saw a Camaro commercial? The big ass. Dodges sell because they market the cars based on heart. Look at the Dodge commercials, power slides, donuts, and general hoonin’. Who tries to copy that with dumb shyt street takeovers?
@@robertc4311 I hear you but I definitely think it's because of the horsepower because if you look at the demon when it came out everyone jumped on it for bragging rights of having 840 horsepowerwhen the red eye came out everyone jumped on it and bragged about having nearly 800 horsepower when the Shelby GT500 came out with 760 horsepower everyone jumped on it but then you have the Chevy ZL1 Camaro with only 650 horsepower I guarantee if Chevy put 800 horsepower in a ZL1 Camaro everyone would jump on it guaranteed
He's right they do respond well to mods. The 2018 zl1 10 speed I used to have made 572whp and 570wtq with stock tune, cold air intake and mbrp cat back. With a tune on e40 from pray performance it made 649whp and 671wtq. Can't wait to get another
Pray performance is something else man ngl !
Not enough room for me Challenger and Charger better daily driver and better buy. Looks like whomever traded it thought the same since you were at a Dodge dealership 😂
If you need a car for a bunch of people to fit in I agree. Better driving experience Camaro all day.
@@kewan2045 bunch of people meaning more than you and one passenger 😂 that means no kids, no family trips, no trips to Home Depot. These are practical things you need for a daily driver. Or maybe you a bigger dude taller and or wider Camaro is a poor choice.
@@MIXINGBOWLMAN Taking a trip in a Camaro is not bad….Done it plenty of times
@@MIXINGBOWLMAN do you feel the same way about 2 seaters? You can actually fit kids or small people in the back. That’s why dodge sells more it’s practical. Still not a better drive than a Camaro 🤷♂️
@@Batman-D very nice. Done it several times especially nice with the top down ☀️
They should have kept making these!!! We need competition to push eachother and the ZL1 is solid competition!!! They look real good and sound awesome!!! As always, great video!!!
They would make them if they are sold enough
@@wileecoyote5749 but gm doesn't market them sadly
@@daytonraught629 which is baffling, why not promote something you put so much time and money in producing.
@@Hull9 I know it blows my mind
I drove a ZL1 manual today because of this video. I have a C8 on order and was in to actually sit in and see a C8 in person. There was a ZL1 on the floor and we started talking about it and what I knew about it (thank you RacerX). Anyway, the salesman says, go take it out. Go get coffee and take it for a good drive. Make sure you have a big smile when you come back, you may change your mind on the car you get. Now I’m seriously thinking of buying the ZL1. We’re both skinny and we got the seats awesome. Like you said, it’s a great place to do business. The rear view camera makes all the difference in visibility. Now I have to decide whether to cancel that C8 order or not….
Ilove both vettes and maros, IWOULD feel a lot safer in a Camaro than a Vette given it’s beefier nature
Buy the ZL1 !!!
What a beast! Sounds great too! Still, the styling IMO seems farther off the path of the OG Camaro look. Perhaps it's the styling that is causing the sales to fall behind vs the Mustang and the Challenger? To some, looks are everything too. That said, There's no denying that the ZL1 offers a tantalizing display of agility and power. That would defiantly tick the appropriate boxes for fans! Great review, Racer X!
I think the styling is killing this great car. I’ve driven them and it feels like you are in a pit and the vision is really bad.
Love how I saw the hellcat in the rear view mirror😂😂 sounds about right! Just playing! Love all American Muscle! Great Video
Love my 21 ZL1... zero visibility issues especially with the camera rearview mirror for me. If you are 7' or 4' I could see having issues. As others mentioned, it can be a little tricky getting in and out if you are careful and don't want to bang up the tight Recaro side bolsters or hitting your foot on the wide side skirts, lol. The seat does have an option to auto back all the way for vehicle entrance and exit to make it easier for people who need that. I love almost everything about the interior minus the silver trim so I've been converting all of the silver into carbon fiber to spice things up a bit. Rear seats are fine.. I have no issues driving around with my kids (teens) in the back and I've sat in the back (passenger side with seat moved up pretty far of course). Would I want to sit back there for a 10 hour road trip? No, lol, I have an NV3500 for that :D The car is indeed pretty low to the ground and flares out wide so navigating a tight drive-thru can be a scary event haha... They def should of included a front camera in the grill or something! Anyways, great video!
Drive-thrus are the worst in my ZL1, getting in and out is kind of awkward but coming from mopar myself. I dont regret a thing! Im FBO rn and its running beautifully!
@@DukeSixTwo lol, yeah, I still don't trust myself in most drive thrus, haha.
Great video! The only reason I didn’t make a ZL1 my 7th Camaro is because it is so hard to get in and out of when you have bad back issues. You got to be a gymnast...on the other hand, the Charger Hellcat is much more useful in the daily grind....the trunk on the Camaro was hard to put regular suitcases in...
The boat does have a lot of space
It definitely handles better! That’s for sure 👍🏻
Zl1does everything well. Definitely the better all around car.
The camaro Zl1 is my goal of investment after college. Right now I’m saving up for an ss.
It's tough to see a iconic muscle car disappear due to the brute strength of the V-8s and that goes for any of them. Awesome content RACER-X keep up the awesome work you do for the muscle car community. God bless you and as always be safe 👍
Thank you Ray
it's most well rounded car when you factor in cost, handling, technology, and just overall performance
I love the ZL1. As far as capable the ZL1 takes the cake. I have a hellcat and I still think the Camaro is just a more capable car.
Zl1 have no top end speed i gap them on the regular 💯💯👍🏽👍🏽
@@redeasy55 yea from a roll not a dig race
@@BlackghostKiller Dig also - Hellcats, when on proper tires, consistently beat it in the 1/4. but you have to have the right tires
@@jtc1964x exactly you gotta change the tires on a HellCat because the car gets no traction and also remember this too i've seen many videos of dudes that changed the tires on their HellCats and they still couldn't gain traction and also it depends on pavement too keep that in mind as well
@@BlackghostKiller Agreed. I will say the ZL1 is more RELIABLE at putting its power down. GM's traction management system is vastly superior to the Chrysler-Benz ESP system. Dodge also puts really bad tires on the Hellcats - even the widebodies.
Cmon buddy racer x. Lol that's alcantera sir. Top of the line
Got a 22 ZL1. Wanted one since 2012! I drove the car from point of purchase to my house. I have not drove it since! Prolly sitting 6 months now.Unbelievable car , just hard as hell to get in and out of!!
Why don't you sell it?
Jeff, what you said isn't going to make sense to anyone! I have a C7 corvette and I have back issues and I can get in an out of that fine. A camaro should be even easier. How old are you, like 70?
I have a heavy modded supercharged camaro and love it. Thanks for repping for us chevy guys
Not better, not worse. Different. I recently bought a 2013 ZL1 Convertible with only 8,100 miles on it. It is currently at a local performance shop getting a bump to 660 rwhp: long tubes, lower crank pulley, cam, etc. Haven't driven it too much yet...we're just beginning to shed Winter here in New England...but I love the car. For reference, other cars I have owned over the last 4 years: 2016 Mustang GT, 2012 Corvette Z06, 2019 Challenger Widebody Scatpack. I hope to hang on to this ZL1 for a while longer than those. Lol.
I love the ZL1, but I’m 6’5”, and it’s uncomfortable. My Challenger is the perfect daily driver for me. I also didn’t know the ZL1 had such a small displacement blower. Makes sense why folks commonly switch to the Magnuson 2650 blower
Yup, it's a smaller blower, and they have to spin it a little faster. That's gonna create more heat. This is why it didn't work so well on the C7 Z06. More heat, and very little room under the hood for the supercharger and it's intercooler. That would allow the supercharger to become heat soaked, and put the car into limp mode. No good. That's why when they built the 755 hp C7 ZR1, they used a bigger 2.65 liter supercharger, so they don't have to spin it as fast, and they had to cut a hole in the hood, so they could now fit a nice fat cooling brick on top. They weren't gonna make the same mistake twice. Now everybody's putting a 2.65 liter SC like the magnuson tvs 2650. I'm not sure, but i think the hellcats and demons use a 2.9 liter SC?.
I’m 6’6 and I’m very comfortable in my Camaro
@@LETHALCAMARO44 and thick thighs? Weighing 280 lbs?
@@bighomie95873 I’m a twin my brother is a bit taller and about 230 lbs and he owns a camaro too
I can say this I'm 6ft4 330 had a 16 camaro ss with the Magnuson on it was stolen in January was pushing 650 hp tomorrow I'm picking up 18 zl1 872hp I don't like the fill of the seats for a big guy but I wanted the car hope it widening out a Lil in time
Yes, in every way possible.
I just purchased my first sport car ever I ended up getting a 2021 hellcat challenger my second runner up was the zl1 I’m a bigger guy so the challenger was the way to go fits me nice can’t believe they make something that will make a heavier man feel comfortable but if I was smaller I’d take a much harder look and probably might of went with the zl1 I think they are very nice and sad to see them go good video
One is a sports car the other is a muscle. Both are beautiful.. but you’re right the zl1 will match the hellcat on straight line
I found you via a ZL1 review about a year ago. I’m purchasing whichever year is the final ZL1 and taking it to Lingenfelter for the 1000 hp Exorcist package. Can’t wait for you to review it! 😎
Umm that’s Hennessy your talking about
@@ebuttah5 LOL, damn. I’ve been researching so many shops they’re running together.
@@ebuttah5 going with Lingenfelter, though.
So many of these comments are spot on, the ZL1 is absolutely awesome but it’s very uncomfortable for bigger dudes and totally unpractical for anyone who’s not single or has kids
Nice car, but I would definitely pick my hellcat over that “because I did lol“ to me the hellcat has a much fiercer road presence especially my wide body, but that’s just my opinion, but great video nonetheless
zl1 all day...challengers and chargers are everywhere...just got a 22 zl1 6spd..i absolutely love it and get alot of looks and compliments driving and looks wise is amazing
Hellcat best muscle car . Camaro best pony car.
In my line of work, I've been fortunate enough to be able to drive several versions of the Camaro, as well as the Mustang, Charger, and Challenger.
Of them all, the Camaro had the best acceleration and handling-- because it's built low to the ground like an actual "race car."
That said, I also *disliked* it the most-- exactly because it *rode* like a race car... You could feel every nook, cranny, and small piece of gravel on the road.
Imho, the one with the best combination of handling, ride and acceleration was the Hemi-powered Challenger SRT.
Fwiw
No way the Camaro acceleration better than the New widebody Charger Redeye !!
@@raymondrocco8607 those cars heavy af tho
@@raymondrocco8607 I haven't driven any widebody's (although I am a fan), so I can't speak to that.
Don't doubt it, though.
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@@StandngOnBusiness Don't matter !! Still faster !
@@raymondrocco8607 dicked out lmao
Yes hate to see Camaro go. I have been a long standing Mustang guy. But I have been recently looking at the Camaro. I find performance for the dollar Camaro has unfortunately surpassed the Mustang.
LOVE THESE VIDEOS 🔥🔥
Way better than a hellcat
I love the ZL1, it’s such a good overall package, and it doesn’t take a lot to get them to run a good 1/4 time. JLSpeed got his to run 9.90’s with just a cold air intake, headers, drag pack, and E85/93 mix. It’s possible to run 8’s with that little baby blower. I got a 2019 SS, and I’d love to get a ZL1 but I think my next step is going to be a C8. I wish they’d put the LT5 in the Camaro but I don’t see it happening unfortunately 😔
I heard it's happening with the 2024 model year. They're calling it 'The farewell package'. The LT5 is only going to be available in the zl1le model. Just Google 2024 Camaro farewell package. I'm keeping my fingers crossed as a lot can happen between now and then
Yep, sorry to see the CAMARO'S GO!!! CHEVY IS MAKING A BIG/ HUGE MISTAKE... I picked up a 2021 2SS Red Tintcoat... LOVE IT!!!
OH, CHEVY.... NO 4 DOOR EV CAMARO IN THE FUTURE EITHER...
MY 2SS HAS A SOUL AND I HEAR THE HEARTBEAT EVERY TIME I HIT IT!!!
NO EV IS GOING TO GIVE YOU THAT!!!!
Just ordered a ZL1 1LE looking very forward to it! Already have the SS.
The ZL1 is great. I have a C8 but have considered trading it for a ZL1 so I can upgrade the ZL1 to something like 850 HP. It's a sick car.
I’m kind of the exact opposite. I’ve got a ‘18SS MANUAL but I eventually want the c8. Not sure when I’ll get tired of changing gears though.
@@livinglife3230 I traded my c8 for a zl1 and haven't regretted one minute of it. The zl1 is much more fun and powerful.
@@eugenejones5087 I know there’s a power difference from my SS but the zl1 pretty much looks the same. I test drove a ‘15 Vette when they came out & I felt crunched in there, I’m only 6’2. Is your zl1 manual or automatic? And if I got a zl1, that’s something else I’ll have to consider. My SS is not my daily so changing gears is nothing. If I got that c8, my excuse from not getting a manual is they don’t come in one, LOL
@@livinglife3230 I have the 10 speed auto. I'm also 6'3 and I was cramped in the c8. The zl1 has a little more room but it's only a weekend car for me. I don't think I could drive it everyday because it's just too small. I will say it's just as fast or faster than a hellcat and most Vettes.
@@eugenejones5087 but u should have waited for the ZO6 right🤔?
I'm buy me a Camaro zl1
Sad to see Camaro go and prefer the personality of the ZL1 much more so than the C8 Z51. Trying to get my hands on a ‘23 ZL1 1LE but with all the constraints and supply chain issues, its takes some patience and work. Hoping orders can get placed soon. The ZLE will be a long term keeper next to the C8, especially if this is the end of the road for Camaro in general.
I am a Chevy and Camaro fan I bought one last Camaro Z28s in 2002 and still have it.The ZL1 IS one of my favorites ,It is very sad to see it going away again ,I also have a ZO6 C6 CORVETTE absolutely love Ana a 72 Chevy Elcamino ss 496
Hopefully taking delivery of mine next week! Got back on the list to order a 2024!
I own a 2018 ss camaro 50th anniversary hot wheels edition. 4 days ago , I bought a 2023 zl1.....I absolutely love this car! To the 5.0 mustang and turbo audi I left I the dust.....RIP
I do like these zl1s, however I would want the previous taillights over the ones this one comes with.
17-18s
@@justinkrizenesky yeah I know, pretty much the only thing i don't like about the new ones, well and this goes for all the newer camaros honestly is the space on the inside and visibility otherwise great car
@@MrFpsdestroyer space is definitely different from a Mopar, but visibility is easily adjusted to, especially if you set your mirrors correctly
@@justinkrizenesky yeah thats why I like blind spot, because its hard sometimes, I went from a challenger to a kia stinger miss that car but some bad stuff happened when I had that car it wasn't from the car though, and then I got my mustang
Yup but that updated tech in a 19 and up is 🔥🔥. J am not cool with newer lights either.
In a word... YES!!! I've got the '17 ZL1 with the 10sp auto with every option except the engine block heater as I live in the south. The LT4 s very responsive to even the slightest modifications. The 1.7 sucks however, in '17 Chevy shipped 10% of the ZL1s with defective supercharger and after fighting with the incompetent dealership service a*shol*s i replaced 1.7 with the 2.9 whipple (rattling a bit which is normal but if I had to do it again id go with the Magnusson 2650), pulley, cat delete exhaust, custom performance tune and CAI for 647whp. Very low boost and it still more than fast enough, the extra 100+ hp makes it an even harder car to launch as it's a bitch even in stock 650hp mode much more so with 775 crank hp. It still gets 27mpg at 70mph. Over that it begins to drop off which is easy since this thing don't feel like you're going fast till you so easily and quickly hit 100+, you can floor it at 120 and still be thrown back in the recaros. I had a '15 SRT 392 Challenger that was a nightmare and after 2 years and 22 service calls the dealer just wouldn't fix it so Dodge ate it as a lemon law car. A real bummer as I'd been MOPAR most of my life, the last 3 cars I had were an '06 HEMI Charger R/T, a '13 HEMI Charger R/T MAX (the Dr Dre sound system was the best sounding car stereo I'd ever heard, to this day) and the '15 SRT 392 CHALLENGER. As beautiful as the CHALLENGER is I went for the '17 ZL1 rather than the '17 hellcat and I'm glad I did as it has 64000 miles and it is every bit as insane as it ever was. The only thing that mechanically went bad was the fans unit, there's 11 intercoolers on this thing to do away with the overheating problems the C7 ZO6 had, when the fans turn on it sounds like a damn jet plane but no matter how hard I drive it, even in high heat and humidity the temp guage never moves from its normal operating temp position. And YES, the guage is operating properly. The ZL1 is a true badass that never gets old and looks truly menacing on the road. I'd buy another one before I'd touch a hellcat, especially since Dodge still has quality control issues, after what happened to me and knowing from 2 friends who have hellcats that have been nothing but nightmares I'm even more comfortable with my daily driver ZL1.
Both are great cars with varying pros and cons. If we’re talking track times, I am going with a ZL1. There’s no denying it’s a better track car
What kind of track? Obviously not the drag strip. A Challenger Scat1320 beats it in the 1/8 mile and doesn't lose by much in the 1/4 mile.
@@fredcrum1 I meant like lap time tracks. Weight and chassis alone, I feel the Camaro is more capable at cornering, entering corners faster and leaving faster. Challengers struggle with oversteer so much on tracks. Or at least, that’s what I’ve seen - could also be driver error
I am a Camaro guy actually I have a 2SS 2017 and god is a monster. cant wait to buy a ZL1
Sad day when we lose these cars . Never thought I would see the day AGAIN!!!!!
Gm please don't discontinue the Camaro it has so much more to give .
I started my Camaro experience with a 67 SS and wish I still had it, but the X took it and sold it. My next was a 79 Z28, sold it to buy a house. Now I have a 2012 SS convertible, 45th Anniversary with only 17500 miles, and never seen a winter. Don't know if I'll be around when they do bring it back, but I hope so for the younger generation.
Of the Muscle cars I like the Camaro the best by far. It's the best looking and it will out handle any of the others. Anybody can make a car that goes fast in a straight line...
Hurts my heart to see the Camaro ZL1 go. I'm a Mopar guy but grew up a GM fan.
😎 So.... What u sayin is that u a bandwagon gotcha!!!
This run of Carmaros has grown on me ... but I still think they lag behind Dodge and Ford on looks. And I'm not a GM hater ... I was a Pontiac guy for a long, long time.
My concern with buying a Camaro knowing that Chevy is killing it off - again - is that I had a bad experience with GM providing any support for vehicles they stop producing. Even short-term support. I lived it with my '05 GTO and my '16 Chevy SS.
Here, here! And even cars they still produce. They told me, they would not help fix my driver's seat, nor would any parts be made available, for a 2007 Corvette. I understand that was 15 years ago, but when you see Resto-mod cars from the 1960's with brand new factory seats, you have to wonder how hard would it be to make sure there is some kind of replacement around? GM has always been bad at this. You just have to factor it in at purchase. All the way back in the 80's when I asked for help with Fiero seats, they were like "the price of the car". It's crazy how much they hate building or fixing automobile interiors.
The Zl1 is incredible
Beautiful muscle car but my problem with it is visibility and it’s tight interior maybe if it had the same interior space as a Dodge Challenger it might of been a more popular and successful then it’s competition
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ya I sat in a Camaro and felt claustrophobic, the roofline is way too low and the doors are way too high. Then I sat in a Dodge Challenger right after and it was sooo much roomier and comfortable and the view is perfect
@@gummybear41283 yeah they should of gave the Camaro more room
The #1 factor for me as a car enthusiast is that it costs an absolute TON of money to add a substantial amount of power to these things. Of course, that can't be said about the Hellcat. Doesn't take much to add 100+rwhp to them. A big thing to take into account for those that chase power with a budget 👍
Cap a simple big cam kit on the Camaro ss will get u into the 10s 1/4 mile all day
@@shelbyhaiketic4212 Which will run you a lot with cam, labor and tune. For what? 50-60 extra RWHP?
Exactly...the cars already run even to stock Hellcats cause the weigh 500 lbs less...add those mods and it is at 800+ crank. They don’t have overheating issues anymore...that was the Vette issue
@@FitzCity The ZL1 has 650 HP/650 lb-ft of Torque @ 6400 RPM Weight 3907 lbs.
The Hellcat has 717HP/656 lb-ft of Torque Weight: 4,415 lbs
The difference in HP and Torque is the Super charger. The Camaro ZL1 has a smaller Supercharger than the Hellcat. If you compare them without Super chargers they are very similar in HP and Torque.
You can add a little horsepower to the Zl1 and beat the living hell out of it all day without breaking anything. That hell cat comes with little tires for a reason. It would break everything that moves it! Now add that money up!!!! Sorry to hurt feelings, but that Zl1 is built a lot better than the over rated hell cat!!! And I like the looks of the hell cat better, but it isn't better than a Zl1!!!
If money wasn't an issue, I'm going with the ZL1-1LE
I have no issues seeing out of my ZL1 Camaro. I am 6ft 3 and 226lbs. As far as looking out the back window truthfully I never even adjust the mirror to use it, all I need to see is besides and in front of me.
I will miss seeing this car on the road and the pops and krackles of the exhaust. It's a shame the interior is lowbrow. This car is much nicer than the Dodge hellcat. This car sticks to the road when you take it on the back roads. RIP Camaro.
Great video! I’m partial to the Hellcat of course. 😈
Lol.. thanks buddy 👍
Camaro is a strange proposition, for a track car/twisty bits I'd go corvette, for a family car a charger redeye. No regrets with these 2 and a Z06 coming this summer.. If I couldn't afford both then a gt500 would be a good compromise.
Chevy are the best vehicles.
I am a ASE/ GOLD CERTIFIED auto technician for more than 30yrs.
Worked at chryser/dodge for 17yrs of that. I would not own a dodge or chryser or Jeep if you gave them to me.💯💥
Primarily a GM guy, but I have one Dodge and one Ford...what should I be concerned about? The running joke around my group was Mopars run hard and look good, but the door handle will probably fall off while you were still making payments...that was the 80’s
My Eagle Talon burst into flames coming out of a toll booth on my way to work. That was when my life depended on every pay check. The way Chrysler handled that, I will never forgive. Now I drive a C6 Z06 on Saturdays, and a Mercedes C300 daily. Thanks.
Fantastic hot rod
9:17 the dude in the Ram thought you were playing with him. He had to come back & pass. 😄
I own a ZL1, but love all American performance cars. Sad to see the ZL1, Hellcats going away. Respect Hellcats, always liked Challengers, like the room they have inside, plus the power. Governments green movement sucks, nobody wants a damn EV.
I've had both the ss and now the 2021 ZL1. I've been killing the stock hellcats and edging out the redeyes. The handling is amazing until the road is wet and cold, then shit gets scary. Didn't want the harsh ride of the 1LE, but definitely going to seriously increase the power and handling. I rented the hellcat and definitely did enjoy the power, but the handling was not as capable. I was torn between the mustang gt500 and the chevy zl1 camaro, so I finally chose the camaro and very happy with my choice. Been having a lot of fun
How much?
I love my 17 2SS... It's such a fantastic car. It's a shame that V8s are becoming rarer and rarer by the day
Better handling and braking - not as fast but the real killer is the visibility and tiny rear seat. Might as well get a Corvette
10 speed in the zl1 vs 8 speed
Ugh no. Equally as fast as the standard HC, and more useful than a Vette.
@@robertc4311 you wouldbe wrong. On a roll the hellcat pulls away. From a dig,as I said, it depends on if the hellcat has good tires.
@@robertc4311 so I can get a Charger, which has far more use than a Camaro, and still win
My father in law bought that car from them. Vicious machine.
What This Reminds Me Of...:"You can shut the gate on this one, Maxi. It's the duck's guts." It's even Black on Black.
I love both but since I’m more of a sedan guy I have to go with a hellcat Charger because of the space, the balance between practicality and performance, and overall I just like the interior of a Charger better than a Camaro.
The answer is a c ts v or a M5
I had to make that same choice because bad back and hip....got both fixed now. So I may come back, but I also love the 2017-2019 CTS-V....like the Charger, she a big sexy 200 mph bitch too...
@@robertc4311 love my big V8 American sedans!
@@xMarkie ctsv is a v8 america sedan.
Whoever was doing the T pose stance in the reflection when you were going over the wheels. That had me laughing. Good vid!
Sad to see it go if it does. Iconic right along with Pontiac
I’m laughing about how you intro the back seat 😂 🗣 really really small!!! love the reviews my guy 💪🏾
Camaro is a track car, better handling. At the end of the day the LT4 is a better power plant. Always has been.
Don’t care much for the ZL1. Good to see it go. By by!
Lmaoo
You’re opinion
Not sure if i told you… i did order a 2022 ZL1 1LE!!! Along with the Hellcat.
Wow.. thats a serious duo
@@RacerX9 The Camaro will be the investment car. It’s on Hagerty‘s list of top collectors!
If I’m ever down in Fort Worth this summer with the cars to see my daughter I’ll email you
Damn man what do you do for a living? Can’t wait to be able to afford my dream cars
I've got a rapid blue ZL1 1LE w manual trans coming in anytime now, and took delivery of a indigo blue charger redeye last fall. I'm not ready for electric yet. I plan on keeping both these cars. I would love to order a new Z06 some day also, but I'm probably in over my head already says my wife. Haha
handles at least just as good as a gt350 and has the acceleration of a hellcat. I drove a hellcat just to see how it compares to my zl1 and it felt sloppy and the body roll was terrible.
I traded my WB SP 6M for a ZL1, because the HC W/ WB 6M cost a lot more coin-two very different philosophies; love them both-can’t afford both 😁
1st, I live in Mabank so id love to meet you.
2nd- i love my ZL1 (2018) and it’s bittersweet to see them go. As an owner, my unit just became more valuable but that means no new style to look at…not ever, and that sucks.
Yup that Camaro has so many blindspots,,,
My favorite is still the F-body Camaro & FireBird, LS1, 1998 ~ 2002 models.
Love those
Catfish...still got mine.
One with GM's magna ride suspension would be the closest thing to heaven! Lol I know the 1LE package is equipped with magna ride not sure about all. I have a 2015 Cadillac ATS premium performance with the magna ride, simply amazing
Camaro for life