Indeed, so i bought one. Then it blackscreened on me in just over a week so i returned it and bumped up to a 4070 Super. Great card for the price but obviously i wasnt eager to pop another one in.
@@IDontKnowYou1216 I was having black screen with mine as well, followed Jays2cents on cleaning out previous drivers , reinstalled the latest driver and no issues
Production cost for the newer generation GPUs is most likely cheaper than previous generations because of the chiplet design which wastes a lot less silicon when there is a defect. So even if the perfomance did not really increase for the mid tier, the main reason for their existence is to make AMD more money compared to selling last gen GPUs with monolithic dies.
VRAM prices plummeted. It was $6...$10/GB for last gen and now is $2...$5/GB (allegedly; from sources in the industry). + MCDs are also N6 (same production line and process as 7nm) so I suppose it's about the same price: -RX6700XT has a 335 sq mm die on 7nm. -RX7800XT (and 7700XT) has a 200 sq mm die(CCD) on 5nm and ~146 sq mm die(4x 36.6 sq mm MCDs) on the N6 die (same as 7nm process). Total 346 sq mm. 16GB now are $30...$40 cheaper than 12GB then. I can't imagine the die difference being more than that so they'd at least balance out, if not be cheaper now. Just like Nvidia (where 4070 is a 3060 on N4 instead vs Samsung 8nm and some extra $30 for better power delivery and cooling - but $50...$60 cheaper VRAM-, but jumps from a $330 to a $600 MSRP) AMD also tries to milk us...and people praise it because it's not as bad... If anything, 7800XT should be a 7700XTX (named appropriately for that die size, if we consider removing non XT naming altogether, because it's confusing vs Ryzen non X) and cost
I just want to say that your performance review is great. I was reading a benchmark review for Starfield and all they did was talk about how both nividia and AMD’s top cards were barely playable frame rates. Guess that’s the long way of saying “thanks for doing good journalism”.
The price does get wilder in Europe. Here, in the Czech Republic, the Sapphire PULSE version costs 12,237 CZK (537 USD) while the 7800xt Sapphire PULSE costs 13,965 CZK (612 USD), making the difference 75 USD, which is already looking much better. If you're asking why the price is so high compared to America: Tax is included (21% VAT) and the cost of shipping it here and the customs at the border etc. that the shop had to pay to get the card here and sell it also bumps the prices up.
@@quantumvideoscz2052 Bulgaria. Please note, that there are super cheap variants. When I made that comment, I was looking at Sapphire pulse series of those video cards.
In Romania as well, the pricing is a lot different 653.00 USD for 7800XT VS 547.68 for 7700XT, so that's why I choose the 7700 as for me it was a significant price difference
I picked up this exact model 7700 XT for two reasons; It checked all the boxes for me (VRAM, TFLOPS, aesthetics, etc.) and... Amazon Prime allows you to pay over 12 months. 😅 So yes, it's overpriced (even with the included Starfield Premium that I really wanted), but for essentially $40 USD per month it fits nicely into my budget and it's a great upgrade from my old 5600 XT. The only reason I didn't spend more to get the 7800 XT was the Hellhound edition simply wasn't available on Amazon at the time. Also, I plan to under-volt and make it as quiet as possible, so there's that. Hope that provides some insight into the thought process of someone who purchased this one. Thanks for the great review, as always!
I've have done and am in the exact same situation as you. I upgraded from a RX 6600 to the hellhound 7700 xt. And the reason for me is I can pay it over 8 weeks haha and in my region and the retailor was all out of 7800xt so I decided to get the 7700xt because I really wanted starfield as well. Huge upgrade from my 6600, I'm really happy with it. Hope you are too.
How did you like the card? Looks like the HELLHOUND is one of the best cards out there, for 7700XT and 7800XT, temps and noise! also love the clean look.
@@paulomarf628 card is actually awesome really quiet temps never go above 60 for me atm. Only thing you might be concerned about is the size, cause its pretty big.
@@paulomarf628 Mine is also very quiet and plays everything I've thrown at it buttery-smoothly. Time will tell how reliable it is and if drivers get optimized but it's great so far. And I know aesthetics are subjective but I love the look of the card in my case. $40 well spent, lol
Hi guys I ordered a sapphire 6750xt nitro at 416 but stock not coming in for 2 months . They are throwing at me a sapphire 7700xt pulse for 449. Is it worth it. Similar sort of spec but f3 on 7000 series. Also coming from a 6gb rtx 2060 so I'm 3 to 4 year behind current gen stuff even though the 6659 is a couple years back and 7700 a year . So 6650xt nitro to 7700xt pulse any ideas
So, in the UK at least, 7700XT is £430, 7800XT is at least £490 (for the cheapest of either). So, a 14% price increase for roughly (based on average ratios of minimum and average frame rates for both) 15% performance difference at 1440p. So yes, if you're at 4K it makes a bigger difference, but at 1080p or 1440p it's just a budgetary question really.
For us in Australia it makes sense to go with 7700. There is a $200-$300 different between the two cards. Goes from $600 for 7700 and $800-900 for the 7800
Seeing how happy Ed is doing what he loves is very inspiring, Man has pc's 2-3x as good but still has such great energy building other pc's to help out the community, keep of the amazing work
I did have a 6800XT and I miss it in way, it was just really good for the money, if you can get one of those i'd say get that instead if the price is comparable. (I have not checked prices though).
If this card were even $50 less expensive it might make more sense, but at only $50 in difference then yeah...of course, the fact that the 7800xt should really be the 7800 (non-xt) would also make this price make a bit more sense, but I have a feeling the marketing team said "people associate the xt with higher end, so, if we're only putting out one model of 7800, we really should call it the 7800xt!"
@@nicholaswicks3077 Sure, if you have the budget for it. A lot of us can't afford to just spend an extra $100. Good for you if you can, but that does jack all for others.
I don't don't for me done in Australia. There is about $150 difference between the two cards, so I guess it kinda makes sense since the 7700xt costs $830 Australian
Hey guys, i do have some comparisons to ask for... 4060 Ti in my country is about 65$ cheaper than the 7700 XT whilst the 7800 XT is 75$ more than the 7700 XT which one should i pick? Well another option is to wait for the NVIDIA cards getting a refresh.
@@dany.2431 nah 💀 in fact I have a tight budget of no more than 1200$ and is looking for spending the least amount i can do which is 1000$ or less. Background Context (important) : Currently i have a laptop that can run games with my i5-10500H + GTX 1650 Max-Q, and I'm going to college. On the other hand my little brother needs a laptop for generic purposes such as editing and school work, therefore buying a laptop will help my dad on not spending more money to give my brother a laptop and instead give mine. That's why I'm considering a laptop other wise PC is always the answer for gaming or work. Lets start with my options: Laptops : Its either a HP Victus 16 S0009AX (Ryzen 5 7640HS + RTX 4060 + 512 GB NVME) for $957 or HP Victus 16 S0010AX (Ryzen 7 7840HS + RTX 4060 (120 TGP) + 1 TB NVME) for $1074 (Also tell me which is better from these 2) Now another context : I live in Indonesia and the HP Victus 16 versions in my country is as following, and i think on the Ryzen 7 version theres an option to upgrade the storage or so I've been told, both of them has rtx 4060 in the specs i put above and better screen (100% sRGB + 300 nits) Or just get a pc? with $1000-$1200 in budget? (I currently have something in mind, which is a Ryzen 5 7500F + RX 6700 XT). Thanks!
I'm still shocked that my 5700xt can manage 60fps at decent settings on my 3440x1440. At this point, my plan is to keep using it until it turns to dust 😆.
@H8FUL4IM Well with unreal engine 5 games rolling out those will be 1080p GPUs soon unless you are willing to upscale from 720p with injected frames to get 60fps on 1440p screen..
Is there any difference between XFS QICK 319 rx7700xt and the powercolor one? Because when I check on a PC building website it states that the XFS only have 8 GB vram and the powercolor one is 400 kr more (roughly 40 euros)
6 months later (march 2024) this card makes absolute sense. 7800xt is $100 more. It fits the category of sub $500 well. Or you could always wait for a sale on the 7800xt.
You're on 700k subscribers now?! I remember back in the day when I found your video on the 40" monitor and you made the point about it being good for games but also 40" of internet banking. When you were on sli gtx 680s (or 680ti?) and 25k subs. And talking about using a stone baking slab in the oven for pizza. You don't seem to have aged...
I was a bit shocked by the price next to the 7800 xt if it cost around 100-150 less then I think that would make more sense, nice card shame about the price.
If it were like any other generation, the 7700xt would've had 7800xt performance. Such a shame but that's unfortunately how the GPU market is right now
You should review the differences between the rx 6800 xt and the rx 7800 xt. Those are the 2 gpu’s I’m looking into getting, and I’m sure lots of other people are too. I’d love to see if it’s worth the price difference.
6800XT was great, i used to have it. It was all good with my 4k monitor at 60+ but I was craving high refresh rate gaming and RT so did upgrade to the 4080 and spent too much. I would think it would still do 4k60 and 1440p100+. If you can get a good price I would go for it and maybe even pick up an Aorus or something fun.
At the point of watching this in the UK the hellhound 7700xt version is £430 on Scan, the cheapest 7800xt is currently £539. The cheapest overall 7800xt is £514 for the 2 fan Sapphire. So sadly, as always the UK gets stiffed on RRP.
Most of the use I see from the dual bios on GPU’s, it’s because one of the two chips failed. I think Jay’s $0.02 recently flashed the OC bios onto a cards silent bios chip because the original OC chip failed.
Why is it that graphics card reviewers don't test the actual manufacturer provided specifications? Does this card actually provide output to 4 monitors up to the ports specified resolution and refresh rate. can the full amount of VRAM be addressed and what is the maximum power draw?
You'll want to check out more analysis based channels for what you're looking for. I'm not going to promote someone else's channel on another person's channel but a quick Google search will land you where you want to be.
if they just released it at £80 or so cheaper from the start, the RX 7700xt they would fly off the shelves man, I can see this card dropping in price quickly tbf as for an extra £50 you may as well just go for the RX 7800XT
If I hadn't already bought the 6750XT 3 months ago I would be tempted by the 7800XT but I think I will wait for the 8800XT to come out in a couple of years.
6750xt is not a Honda, 7700xt is not a Ferrari, and there's nothing wrong with saving for a better card for next gen if their current card holds up well with modern games.
I know this video is 6 months ago but now 6 months after where I live it's atleast 120 bucks apart. Choosing the most lower tier RX 7700XT to lower tier RX 7800 XT. And I think the bare minimum for gaming these days is 8GB or 12GB 16GB and beyond is overkill for my 1440p gaming and some small video editing.
how does AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT have 35 teraflops? when the boost clock speed is 2544 and theres 3456 cores. (2544 x 3456 x 2 = 17 teraflops. Did amd gave the wrong gpu spec on their website?
1 Year later here, i was able to pick this up for 315 as an upgrade from a 4060 8gb. The extra vram and performance makes sense after selling what i had to cover most of the difference.
Hey, writing from Russia. So, to explain the the situation: for me right now 50 pounds would kinda be a big deal, seeing as the economy is down the shitter (I guess I don't have to explain that invading neighboring countries isn't good for it, especially when your country is no more than a giant gas station). Most people here who buy such GPUs usually either save for a long time or take loans and pay them off for half a year. Most Russian millennials and gen Z struggle to pay rent right now. It's pretty much the same for other countries with fucked up economy like, say, Mexico. Young people there want to have good things in life, but getting them takes a lot of time and effort, so saving a little even on big purchases is always preferred, cause those 50 pounds usually mean 2 weeks of eating decent food (rather than resorting to instant noodles) and being able to pay for public transport.
No real consideration for the hotspot temps going up when you say you would let the gpu core get to 75c for a lower rpm on the fan. I don't go by anything other than edge/hotspot temps these days, unless amd changed what temp the fan goes by, then im pretty sure its based off hotspot temps. So realistically youre happy with 95c hotspot temps. Some gpus have lower differnce in temps between gpu and hotspot, but i have seen some gpus with more than 20+ c differences in temps, so by your logic they could be running well over 100c. Yeh they can sustatin that vbut no one wants too. I do enjoy your content but we all have an experiance to share.
and your costs per frame arent taking into account the extra power draw AMD cards are using to get the same frames, if its using 50% more power to do the same framerate then its costing 50% more per frame over the span of months of gaming those extra watts for the sake of brute forcing the framerate will have cost you way more money
If I hav a MSI FORGE M100R micro case with 3 fans at front and one exhaust fan and I put a peerless assassin 120 se CPU cooler in with two fans will I need a fan at top of case ??
I think it all comes down to the price difference, for me buying the 7700 XT felt good because i was saving 200$ as it was 200$ less than the 7800 XT and im on a budget, and it was a massive upgrade for me from a 7600 ( non XT ) and i couldnt justify the extra 200$ for a minor FPS boost
It was my best ~600 cad option Feb 2024. Drivers were 100% terrible but seems fixed now. I bought it cause I knew amd would fix the issues and I hate the rtx and new power connector from Nvidia. I want fps. I don't want Ray tracing. It's not worth it
Well I got this card in the beginning of march 2024 for 166 USD less than 7800xt. With 3 year warranty. Its a good deal, I am playing 2k over 100fps on every game high settings, so this is plenty for the next 2/3 years gaming.
Why does the 7700XT exist? On AMD 1st degree pricing so the channel, signals to the channel and sellers, to find the right price including in relation to 7800XT that is not a 1st degree regulating price cap but a 3rd degree 'run end' price on some amount of consumer supply pulled ahead into producers ramp to set $499 run end price that the AIBS and channel sellers basically said no to and sellers priced initial in the $569 to $599 range and today into the $650 to $750 range for 7800XT. You Mr. PC Centric are also aware the premium feature, material, cooling, OC cards across any individual grade SKU meant to cost : price offset the so said MSRP cards to secure a higher average margin across the individual SKU grade line up. 7800XT at $499 turns out not to be a regulating price cap, XFX attempted on insufficient supply albeit I estimate AMD has 10 M RDNA lll to clear out through end of the year. 7800XT at $499 is actually back to 3rd degree consumer discriminatory 'fake PR pricing' and AIBs and channel said no, moved to first degree pricing and upped 7800XT price to between $569 and $599 and now on the shortage of 7800XT are offered in the $650 to $750 range. 7700XT which was first degree priced out the gate enabling channel sellers to find the right price was also priced up by sellers + $50. Out the gate most 7800XT appear on SI PC listings went into prebuilt and I suspect majority of all N32 prebuilt PCs will show up in 30 to 60 days including 7700XT. Seems N3_ is now being kit in R7K CPU + GPU OEM and board house that include design manufacture graphic card AIBs in sales bundles who will now control brokerage of whatever dGPU component surplus there might be to second tier card producers. There's a shortage of cards because the components went to design manufacturers for prebuilts. In three to four weeks it will be known if 78/7700XT is as prolific as the Rx 7600 launch. mb
i am mostly considering this card because i can get it for like 90 dollars (translated from local currency) less than the 7800 xt and because honestly i dont play many demanding games mostly just cyber, starfield and rdr2 and i want a 1440p card that may not require fsr or dlss in those few games (never touch ray tracing) currently sitting on a 4060 though considering i can use some overwork hours and cover like 100% of the cost buying it through work or like 70% of the cost if i get the 7800xt the 7800xt does look like something safer in case i wanna play more demanding games later on
Title should be "don't waste your money if it's a $50 difference" here in Canada it's a $150 difference and if you are playing 1080p it's overkill. Have one it destroys my old 3060.
Here in asia, the difference is around $100 between the 7700xt and 7800xt. And the 4060ti 16gb is still $40 more than the 7700xt. The west got the best prices.
@@Connief1990 ah okay then there’s many options, for CPU I’d personally recommend getting AMD at the moment, you could either go with the 7600(x) or the 7800x3d in my opinion, for GPU you could either go AMD which has better price to performance, something like the 6800xt, 6950xt, 7800xt, 7900xt or 7900xtx, for NVidia you could go with something like the 4070ti or above, maybe 3090(ti). There’s many options, I’d recommend checking out PC Builders best GPU 2023 video and best GPU and CPU Combo video as well, they’ll be really useful for you.
Im from Portugal and just bought the RX7700XT hellhound for 450 euros, the 7800XT hellhound is currently 554 euros, a much better bang for your buck. Couldve gone for the 6800 but my hope is that the 7700 gets better performance in its lifetime because of the new drivers.
When I put all 4 ram sticks in my PC it on cause all RGB lights are lit on the ram and GPU and CPU cooler but wont boot into windows. When I put the ram sticks individually in slots one 2 boot into windows and the others don't but don't know if the ram slots are dead.
price has of course come down from launch and they are exactly the same $/fps now, it's exactly 15-20% less cost depending on model's you're comparing.
In my country the rx 7700 xt is defenietly a better worth because the pricing is a lot more different. The 7700 xt is 570 dollars and the 7800 xt is 710. In my opinion the 7800 xt isn't worth 140 dollars more.
To your starfield Benchmark. 50fps right at the start is nothing, compared to later. the starting area is very small, and not much redering is required there. If i were you id go to New Atlantis and start benchmarking there.
@PC Centric: This is US only! You clearly don't live in Europe! 100 euro's between the 2 while in USA both of them might just cost a tiny bit more but are still 50 dollars apart. That's HALF...
I own the 7700 and for me it is the 7800 "light" version. But is it a bad card? No way, it is a very good card which fullfils a niche on the market. For me the card is too good to be compared with the 4060, it has similar performance like the 4070 but without the aim to beat it. Moreover it seems to have similar performance as the 6800 gpus. Why did I buy it? Because the 7800 was around 100 Euros more epensive and I needed a card which fitted my setup of power supply - performance - budget ratio. So, if someone asks me this card is for buyers who are price sensitive and look for the most efficient way to have the best performance possible. The goal is not to have the best of the best setup to beat the rest, but to compete with the best!
I feel like they made it for someone like me, my mom gave me a gpu budget of 450$ for my 18th birthday.. i wasn't allowed to get used graphics cards and i dont feel interested in last generation gpus.. i went from a 3050 to a 7700xt
Sir, I'm very proud of your journey. So can you tell me which country you're in, what computer programs you've done to get here... Because I'd love to learn computer hardware and start a TH-cam channel like that. I'm still going to school. I live in Sri Lanka. So I hope sir will give a good reply to my comment..
I picked one up on an ebuyer ebay store with £75 off the retail price. Ngl I'm pretty happy with that after putting it through the business for extra vat decrease.. ended up costing £315. I'd say that's a good price for this card
Personally I like that big powercolor one for my new r5600 system, 32GB 3600 RAM waiting for it, I'm quite interested in the idea of switching to Nvidia but I have no idea what the equivalent would be for say a 7700 / 7800 in UK price gap between 2 is around 100, I would like a nice small GPU but it's like cars bigger the hardware the better. So I likely get a hellhound 7800xt or more likely the sapphire Nitro+ cards as iv always gone for. I do like the idea of Nvidia tho Il have to look up the equivalents
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4 months later there is an almost $100 USD difference, so the card makes sense now.
Indeed, so i bought one. Then it blackscreened on me in just over a week so i returned it and bumped up to a 4070 Super. Great card for the price but obviously i wasnt eager to pop another one in.
@@IDontKnowYou1216 I was having black screen with mine as well, followed Jays2cents on cleaning out previous drivers , reinstalled the latest driver and no issues
@@IDontKnowYou1216 lmao sure
@@tomasgomez1906 Trying to be a smart ass about something?
I bought this card (ASRock steel legend white) for 525 euro last month :)
Production cost for the newer generation GPUs is most likely cheaper than previous generations because of the chiplet design which wastes a lot less silicon when there is a defect. So even if the perfomance did not really increase for the mid tier, the main reason for their existence is to make AMD more money compared to selling last gen GPUs with monolithic dies.
VRAM prices plummeted. It was $6...$10/GB for last gen and now is $2...$5/GB (allegedly; from sources in the industry).
+ MCDs are also N6 (same production line and process as 7nm) so I suppose it's about the same price:
-RX6700XT has a 335 sq mm die on 7nm.
-RX7800XT (and 7700XT) has a 200 sq mm die(CCD) on 5nm and ~146 sq mm die(4x 36.6 sq mm MCDs) on the N6 die (same as 7nm process). Total 346 sq mm.
16GB now are $30...$40 cheaper than 12GB then. I can't imagine the die difference being more than that so they'd at least balance out, if not be cheaper now.
Just like Nvidia (where 4070 is a 3060 on N4 instead vs Samsung 8nm and some extra $30 for better power delivery and cooling - but $50...$60 cheaper VRAM-, but jumps from a $330 to a $600 MSRP) AMD also tries to milk us...and people praise it because it's not as bad...
If anything, 7800XT should be a 7700XTX (named appropriately for that die size, if we consider removing non XT naming altogether, because it's confusing vs Ryzen non X) and cost
Newegg throws in Starfield so to me I paid $400 for the card. Bought and happy with it. Upgraded from a 5700 XT.
I just want to say that your performance review is great. I was reading a benchmark review for Starfield and all they did was talk about how both nividia and AMD’s top cards were barely playable frame rates.
Guess that’s the long way of saying “thanks for doing good journalism”.
The price does get wilder in Europe. Here, in the Czech Republic, the Sapphire PULSE version costs 12,237 CZK (537 USD) while the 7800xt Sapphire PULSE costs 13,965 CZK (612 USD), making the difference 75 USD, which is already looking much better. If you're asking why the price is so high compared to America: Tax is included (21% VAT) and the cost of shipping it here and the customs at the border etc. that the shop had to pay to get the card here and sell it also bumps the prices up.
Yeah it's not a bad purchase in Europe
At where I live the difference between the two is around 120$.
@@LitlBlackDragonNinja shiit, where do you live?
@@quantumvideoscz2052 Bulgaria. Please note, that there are super cheap variants. When I made that comment, I was looking at Sapphire pulse series of those video cards.
In Romania as well, the pricing is a lot different 653.00 USD for 7800XT VS 547.68 for 7700XT, so that's why I choose the 7700 as for me it was a significant price difference
It’s essentially a 12gb version of a 6800.
Ur right. Such a downgrade lmao. Unless the driver level FSR 3 works well on the 7700xt.
@@deagle7776prob will
Is the 7700 xt a good enough upgrade from the 6700 xt?
Of a broken 6800, full one is 7800xt xD
At higher price then rx 6800 and worse because of 12gb vram
I picked up this exact model 7700 XT for two reasons; It checked all the boxes for me (VRAM, TFLOPS, aesthetics, etc.) and... Amazon Prime allows you to pay over 12 months. 😅 So yes, it's overpriced (even with the included Starfield Premium that I really wanted), but for essentially $40 USD per month it fits nicely into my budget and it's a great upgrade from my old 5600 XT. The only reason I didn't spend more to get the 7800 XT was the Hellhound edition simply wasn't available on Amazon at the time. Also, I plan to under-volt and make it as quiet as possible, so there's that.
Hope that provides some insight into the thought process of someone who purchased this one. Thanks for the great review, as always!
I've have done and am in the exact same situation as you. I upgraded from a RX 6600 to the hellhound 7700 xt. And the reason for me is I can pay it over 8 weeks haha and in my region and the retailor was all out of 7800xt so I decided to get the 7700xt because I really wanted starfield as well. Huge upgrade from my 6600, I'm really happy with it. Hope you are too.
How did you like the card? Looks like the HELLHOUND is one of the best cards out there, for 7700XT and 7800XT, temps and noise! also love the clean look.
@@paulomarf628 card is actually awesome really quiet temps never go above 60 for me atm. Only thing you might be concerned about is the size, cause its pretty big.
@@paulomarf628 Mine is also very quiet and plays everything I've thrown at it buttery-smoothly. Time will tell how reliable it is and if drivers get optimized but it's great so far. And I know aesthetics are subjective but I love the look of the card in my case. $40 well spent, lol
Hi guys I ordered a sapphire 6750xt nitro at 416 but stock not coming in for 2 months . They are throwing at me a sapphire 7700xt pulse for 449. Is it worth it. Similar sort of spec but f3 on 7000 series. Also coming from a 6gb rtx 2060 so I'm 3 to 4 year behind current gen stuff even though the 6659 is a couple years back and 7700 a year . So 6650xt nitro to 7700xt pulse any ideas
it's so refreshing to hear you critique cards that deserve it, you changed for good
$50 more??. It cost me $200-$330 more for a 7800 in Australia. Not sure what this guy is on about
Think about it a little, you'll probably figure it out.
price has changed a lot since the releasing
@@Sasory_ and?...still doesnt change the price difference between the cards
@@mrmeaty5619are you fr dude?
@@soapbrainx are you regarded?
Would it be worth it to upgrade it from a rtx 2060 super in 2024?
So, in the UK at least, 7700XT is £430, 7800XT is at least £490 (for the cheapest of either). So, a 14% price increase for roughly (based on average ratios of minimum and average frame rates for both) 15% performance difference at 1440p. So yes, if you're at 4K it makes a bigger difference, but at 1080p or 1440p it's just a budgetary question really.
Once the 7700xt hits the 400 us price tag, that’s it.
For us in Australia it makes sense to go with 7700. There is a $200-$300 different between the two cards. Goes from $600 for 7700 and $800-900 for the 7800
Seeing how happy Ed is doing what he loves is very inspiring, Man has pc's 2-3x as good but still has such great energy building other pc's to help out the community, keep of the amazing work
I live in Canada and it is a $149 difference so it contradicts what you said at the beginning
I did have a 6800XT and I miss it in way, it was just really good for the money, if you can get one of those i'd say get that instead if the price is comparable. (I have not checked prices though).
If this card were even $50 less expensive it might make more sense, but at only $50 in difference then yeah...of course, the fact that the 7800xt should really be the 7800 (non-xt) would also make this price make a bit more sense, but I have a feeling the marketing team said "people associate the xt with higher end, so, if we're only putting out one model of 7800, we really should call it the 7800xt!"
I’d rather pay 100$ more for more fps anyway
@@nicholaswicks3077 Sure, if you have the budget for it. A lot of us can't afford to just spend an extra $100. Good for you if you can, but that does jack all for others.
I got an open box return for microcenter for a sapphire pulse 7700 XT for $390 😊
@@alexanderkonwinski1514 I wish I had one closer to where I live.
It exists because i am just under the power supply limit for the 7800xt. So its $50 + the price of a 700w + psu cheaper.
I don't don't for me done in Australia. There is about $150 difference between the two cards, so I guess it kinda makes sense since the 7700xt costs $830 Australian
It's actually more than that now. Costing $200 - $300 more now
Hey guys, i do have some comparisons to ask for... 4060 Ti in my country is about 65$ cheaper than the 7700 XT whilst the 7800 XT is 75$ more than the 7700 XT which one should i pick? Well another option is to wait for the NVIDIA cards getting a refresh.
its been a month since you commented and im really hoping you didnt choose the 4060ti
@@dany.2431 nah 💀 in fact I have a tight budget of no more than 1200$ and is looking for spending the least amount i can do which is 1000$ or less.
Background Context (important) :
Currently i have a laptop that can run games with my i5-10500H + GTX 1650 Max-Q, and I'm going to college. On the other hand my little brother needs a laptop for generic purposes such as editing and school work, therefore buying a laptop will help my dad on not spending more money to give my brother a laptop and instead give mine. That's why I'm considering a laptop other wise PC is always the answer for gaming or work.
Lets start with my options:
Laptops : Its either a HP Victus 16 S0009AX (Ryzen 5 7640HS + RTX 4060 + 512 GB NVME) for $957
or
HP Victus 16 S0010AX (Ryzen 7 7840HS + RTX 4060 (120 TGP) + 1 TB NVME) for $1074 (Also tell me which is better from these 2)
Now another context : I live in Indonesia and the HP Victus 16 versions in my country is as following, and i think on the Ryzen 7 version theres an option to upgrade the storage or so I've been told, both of them has rtx 4060 in the specs i put above and better screen (100% sRGB + 300 nits)
Or just get a pc? with $1000-$1200 in budget? (I currently have something in mind, which is a Ryzen 5 7500F + RX 6700 XT). Thanks!
The noise test was so good, i can hear my laptop's fan instead of the test itself
Just got a new 6700XT,its 150 USD cheaper then the 7700XT
He's more then enough,and I don't need anything stronger
And he's still a better value
I'm still shocked that my 5700xt can manage 60fps at decent settings on my 3440x1440.
At this point, my plan is to keep using it until it turns to dust 😆.
You might be waiting a while for dust 😅
Same except im using 2k resolution
@H8FUL4IM Well with unreal engine 5 games rolling out those will be 1080p GPUs soon unless you are willing to upscale from 720p with injected frames to get 60fps on 1440p screen..
My 6900xt OC in Starfield in that res without upscaling is getting spanked 😂 in some places I get around or even under 40 fps
@@santeenl i forgot to clarify i meant other games which exclude starfield as it's optimization seems to be poor i couldn't imagine it with my gpu
Is there any difference between XFS QICK 319 rx7700xt and the powercolor one? Because when I check on a PC building website it states that the XFS only have 8 GB vram and the powercolor one is 400 kr more (roughly 40 euros)
it exists because the MSRP does not exist in the market in Greece, these two cards have a difference of $200
6 months later (march 2024) this card makes absolute sense. 7800xt is $100 more. It fits the category of sub $500 well. Or you could always wait for a sale on the 7800xt.
You're on 700k subscribers now?! I remember back in the day when I found your video on the 40" monitor and you made the point about it being good for games but also 40" of internet banking. When you were on sli gtx 680s (or 680ti?) and 25k subs. And talking about using a stone baking slab in the oven for pizza.
You don't seem to have aged...
I keep seeing these videos but guys you gotta tell me where you’re getting a 7800xt for £475??? They a £625 retail atm unless you buy the sapphire
I was a bit shocked by the price next to the 7800 xt if it cost around 100-150 less then I think that would make more sense, nice card shame about the price.
If it were like any other generation, the 7700xt would've had 7800xt performance. Such a shame but that's unfortunately how the GPU market is right now
Idk it already beats the 4070 for $100 less
You should review the differences between the rx 6800 xt and the rx 7800 xt. Those are the 2 gpu’s I’m looking into getting, and I’m sure lots of other people are too. I’d love to see if it’s worth the price difference.
6800XT was great, i used to have it. It was all good with my 4k monitor at 60+ but I was craving high refresh rate gaming and RT so did upgrade to the 4080 and spent too much. I would think it would still do 4k60 and 1440p100+. If you can get a good price I would go for it and maybe even pick up an Aorus or something fun.
I too am interested in something like this, they’re essentially the same price but one is a newer generation. Just interesting.
Difference are almost none or 2-3%
Just go for the 7800xt its more futureproof for the lastest amd tech
@@joa4613 only if they want to downgrade 6800/xt with more worse drivers while otherwise its not better , infact its even something slower then 6800xt
At the point of watching this in the UK the hellhound 7700xt version is £430 on Scan, the cheapest 7800xt is currently £539. The cheapest overall 7800xt is £514 for the 2 fan Sapphire. So sadly, as always the UK gets stiffed on RRP.
If I can get the 7700xt for €410 and the 7800xt costs €490 would it be a good option then?
I'm really interested about MSI GameBoost technology, tests and results, next hit?
me in australia, 7700 xt to 7800xt is 100 - 200$ difference depending on who makes it.
I paid 390 for an rx 7700xt and here a 7800xt costs 500 so I think thats a big price difference
thats because this video is 7 months old, prices are way lower now!
this guy hates on every card execpt the 4090 like what
Most of the use I see from the dual bios on GPU’s, it’s because one of the two chips failed. I think Jay’s $0.02 recently flashed the OC bios onto a cards silent bios chip because the original OC chip failed.
Why is it that graphics card reviewers don't test the actual manufacturer provided specifications? Does this card actually provide output to 4 monitors up to the ports specified resolution and refresh rate. can the full amount of VRAM be addressed and what is the maximum power draw?
You'll want to check out more analysis based channels for what you're looking for. I'm not going to promote someone else's channel on another person's channel but a quick Google search will land you where you want to be.
if they just released it at £80 or so cheaper from the start, the RX 7700xt they would fly off the shelves man, I can see this card dropping in price quickly tbf as for an extra £50 you may as well just go for the RX 7800XT
If I hadn't already bought the 6750XT 3 months ago I would be tempted by the 7800XT but I think I will wait for the 8800XT to come out in a couple of years.
Your card is good, no need to upgrade for now
Sold my 6750xt and bought 7800xt recently yar yar yar yar
i got honda city was tempted to buy a ferarri but will wait for the newest ferari in couple of years
6750xt is not a Honda, 7700xt is not a Ferrari, and there's nothing wrong with saving for a better card for next gen if their current card holds up well with modern games.
I know this video is 6 months ago but now 6 months after where I live it's atleast 120 bucks apart.
Choosing the most lower tier
RX 7700XT to lower tier RX 7800 XT.
And I think the bare minimum for gaming these days is 8GB or 12GB
16GB and beyond is overkill for my 1440p gaming and some small video editing.
Bench Carl is amazing. Just as amazing as Editing Carl's editing. I wish they were the same person.
It's a 50$ difference in the USA, but almost a 100 € difference in Europe, because the 7800 XT is more expensive.
how does AMD Radeon RX 7700 XT have 35 teraflops? when the boost clock speed is 2544 and theres 3456 cores. (2544 x 3456 x 2 = 17 teraflops. Did amd gave the wrong gpu spec on their website?
In my country its now 370 $ while a 7800xt is more like 470$. 4070 (non super) is like 500$. where do i get the most value out of for 1440p ultra?
1 Year later here, i was able to pick this up for 315 as an upgrade from a 4060 8gb. The extra vram and performance makes sense after selling what i had to cover most of the difference.
Hadthe 7800xt been 10-15% more powerful at $500 is would of been a complete steal imo
Yep but i also have to upgrade my psu to use it so its at least + 100$ if u can sell ur old psu as well.
Why didn't you test performance on games like Cyberpunk? That one is a standard for graphical performance in gpus.
It's currently 130 euro cheaper than the 7800xt on black friday sale. Worth a buy now I think.
This vid didnt age well
Just picked up a Sapphire Nitro+ model from Amazon for £314, which makes this card an absolute steal now (October 2024).
Hey, writing from Russia. So, to explain the the situation: for me right now 50 pounds would kinda be a big deal, seeing as the economy is down the shitter (I guess I don't have to explain that invading neighboring countries isn't good for it, especially when your country is no more than a giant gas station). Most people here who buy such GPUs usually either save for a long time or take loans and pay them off for half a year. Most Russian millennials and gen Z struggle to pay rent right now. It's pretty much the same for other countries with fucked up economy like, say, Mexico. Young people there want to have good things in life, but getting them takes a lot of time and effort, so saving a little even on big purchases is always preferred, cause those 50 pounds usually mean 2 weeks of eating decent food (rather than resorting to instant noodles) and being able to pay for public transport.
They’ll probably dip the prices when people buy the 6800xt over the new ones
Is this a better buy for $540, upgrading from 3060ti?
Tbh yes
IS it an overkil to pair the rx 7700 xt with the ryzen 5 7600
No real consideration for the hotspot temps going up when you say you would let the gpu core get to 75c for a lower rpm on the fan. I don't go by anything other than edge/hotspot temps these days, unless amd changed what temp the fan goes by, then im pretty sure its based off hotspot temps. So realistically youre happy with 95c hotspot temps. Some gpus have lower differnce in temps between gpu and hotspot, but i have seen some gpus with more than 20+ c differences in temps, so by your logic they could be running well over 100c. Yeh they can sustatin that vbut no one wants too. I do enjoy your content but we all have an experiance to share.
and your costs per frame arent taking into account the extra power draw AMD cards are using to get the same frames, if its using 50% more power to do the same framerate then its costing 50% more per frame
over the span of months of gaming those extra watts for the sake of brute forcing the framerate will have cost you way more money
If I hav a MSI FORGE M100R micro case with 3 fans at front and one exhaust fan and I put a peerless assassin 120 se CPU cooler in with two fans will I need a fan at top of case ??
It will help exhaust the hot air around the CPU cooler quicker, I'd say it's worth filling
I think it all comes down to the price difference, for me buying the 7700 XT felt good because i was saving 200$ as it was 200$ less than the 7800 XT and im on a budget, and it was a massive upgrade for me from a 7600 ( non XT ) and i couldnt justify the extra 200$ for a minor FPS boost
In Europe there is like a 120-140€ between this and the 7800xt, so yeah I chose this gpu without a single doubt and i'm not disappointed
well.. the prices in my country is fucked currently so i had to get this instead of 7800 or 6800
What is the software he is using to see this overlay?
In germany the price differance between 7700xt and 7800xt is around 100€
If you compare some custom designs the difference is like 150€
It was my best ~600 cad option Feb 2024. Drivers were 100% terrible but seems fixed now. I bought it cause I knew amd would fix the issues and I hate the rtx and new power connector from Nvidia. I want fps. I don't want Ray tracing. It's not worth it
Well I got this card in the beginning of march 2024 for 166 USD less than 7800xt. With 3 year warranty. Its a good deal, I am playing 2k over 100fps on every game high settings, so this is plenty for the next 2/3 years gaming.
Cannot wait to get my hands on 7900xtx this December
Why does the 7700XT exist? On AMD 1st degree pricing so the channel, signals to the channel and sellers, to find the right price including in relation to 7800XT that is not a 1st degree regulating price cap but a 3rd degree 'run end' price on some amount of consumer supply pulled ahead into producers ramp to set $499 run end price that the AIBS and channel sellers basically said no to and sellers priced initial in the $569 to $599 range and today into the $650 to $750 range for 7800XT. You Mr. PC Centric are also aware the premium feature, material, cooling, OC cards across any individual grade SKU meant to cost : price offset the so said MSRP cards to secure a higher average margin across the individual SKU grade line up.
7800XT at $499 turns out not to be a regulating price cap, XFX attempted on insufficient supply albeit I estimate AMD has 10 M RDNA lll to clear out through end of the year. 7800XT at $499 is actually back to 3rd degree consumer discriminatory 'fake PR pricing' and AIBs and channel said no, moved to first degree pricing and upped 7800XT price to between $569 and $599 and now on the shortage of 7800XT are offered in the $650 to $750 range.
7700XT which was first degree priced out the gate enabling channel sellers to find the right price was also priced up by sellers + $50. Out the gate most 7800XT appear on SI PC listings went into prebuilt and I suspect majority of all N32 prebuilt PCs will show up in 30 to 60 days including 7700XT.
Seems N3_ is now being kit in R7K CPU + GPU OEM and board house that include design manufacture graphic card AIBs in sales bundles who will now control brokerage of whatever dGPU component surplus there might be to second tier card producers.
There's a shortage of cards because the components went to design manufacturers for prebuilts. In three to four weeks it will be known if 78/7700XT is as prolific as the Rx 7600 launch. mb
Can we all agree that nvidia founder edition cards look the best
i am mostly considering this card because i can get it for like 90 dollars (translated from local currency) less than the 7800 xt
and because honestly i dont play many demanding games
mostly just cyber, starfield and rdr2 and i want a 1440p card that may not require fsr or dlss in those few games (never touch ray tracing)
currently sitting on a 4060
though considering i can use some overwork hours and cover like 100% of the cost buying it through work or like 70% of the cost if i get the 7800xt the 7800xt does look like something safer in case i wanna play more demanding games later on
how come with ray tracing it increases the fps to like 70 but without ray tracing its only like 50-60?
dam. i purchased the 7700 XT. Am not getting a display when I power on. Fans and LEDs come on, but no display. Grrr.
What if it's just for video editing, animation, and light 1440p 100 +/- fps low/medium settings?
Title should be "don't waste your money if it's a $50 difference" here in Canada it's a $150 difference and if you are playing 1080p it's overkill. Have one it destroys my old 3060.
bought my 7700XT Pulse for 453€ - the cheapest 7800XT was 519€, the model i would choose was 569€ = i made a good deal and i am very happy with my GPU
Here in asia, the difference is around $100 between the 7700xt and 7800xt. And the 4060ti 16gb is still $40 more than the 7700xt. The west got the best prices.
What cpu and gpu is required for the absolute best, crystal clear, image? I'm not bothered about frame rates..
What do you mean crystal clear image? Any GPU can make a clear image, but it depends what resolution you’re thinking. Either 1080p, 1440p or 4K.
@@EjayT06 I think I meant what cpu/gpu is required to capture 4k resolution?
@@Connief1990 ah okay then there’s many options, for CPU I’d personally recommend getting AMD at the moment, you could either go with the 7600(x) or the 7800x3d in my opinion, for GPU you could either go AMD which has better price to performance, something like the 6800xt, 6950xt, 7800xt, 7900xt or 7900xtx, for NVidia you could go with something like the 4070ti or above, maybe 3090(ti).
There’s many options, I’d recommend checking out PC Builders best GPU 2023 video and best GPU and CPU Combo video as well, they’ll be really useful for you.
@@EjayT06 Thank you. 👍
Im from Portugal and just bought the RX7700XT hellhound for 450 euros, the 7800XT hellhound is currently 554 euros, a much better bang for your buck. Couldve gone for the 6800 but my hope is that the 7700 gets better performance in its lifetime because of the new drivers.
I got mine for $330, almost $200 less then the 7800 xt for basically the same performance when OC so it's definitely worth it 7 months later
Where did you buy it from?
i got my sapphire pulse 7700xt for 375 euro on a deal i think its a great card for that money
Love your videos
What is the info overlay that your using?
MSI Afterburner
When I put all 4 ram sticks in my PC it on cause all RGB lights are lit on the ram and GPU and CPU cooler but wont boot into windows. When I put the ram sticks individually in slots one 2 boot into windows and the others don't but don't know if the ram slots are dead.
Rx7700xt costa 12k and 7800xt costs 17k which is a big difference.
price has of course come down from launch and they are exactly the same $/fps now, it's exactly 15-20% less cost depending on model's you're comparing.
A 550W branded power supply is quite sufficient. Where does this nonsense about 700W+ power supplies always come from?
In my country the rx 7700 xt is defenietly a better worth because the pricing is a lot more different. The 7700 xt is 570 dollars and the 7800 xt is 710. In my opinion the 7800 xt isn't worth 140 dollars more.
in a -pre built i can get the rx 7700 for 1.2k that worth it?
what are the other specs
To your starfield Benchmark. 50fps right at the start is nothing, compared to later. the starting area is very small, and not much redering is required there. If i were you id go to New Atlantis and start benchmarking there.
Yep totally fair enough, hence the huge disclaimer - will do a detailed dive soon
@PC Centric: This is US only! You clearly don't live in Europe! 100 euro's between the 2 while in USA both of them might just cost a tiny bit more but are still 50 dollars apart. That's HALF...
But what will I update my 2070 super too.....do I just keep waiting
Ummm, excuse me... can I get myself a permanently husky Marcus? ❤
Just a dumb question, why would any FOOL, try to run a gpu with 12 gigs of ram at 4k?
Can anyone please tell me where and what to buy for best pc budget 1000-2500
I own the 7700 and for me it is the 7800 "light" version. But is it a bad card? No way, it is a very good card which fullfils a niche on the market. For me the card is too good to be compared with the 4060, it has similar performance like the 4070 but without the aim to beat it. Moreover it seems to have similar performance as the 6800 gpus. Why did I buy it? Because the 7800 was around 100 Euros more epensive and I needed a card which fitted my setup of power supply - performance - budget ratio.
So, if someone asks me this card is for buyers who are price sensitive and look for the most efficient way to have the best performance possible. The goal is not to have the best of the best setup to beat the rest, but to compete with the best!
I feel like they made it for someone like me, my mom gave me a gpu budget of 450$ for my 18th birthday.. i wasn't allowed to get used graphics cards and i dont feel interested in last generation gpus.. i went from a 3050 to a 7700xt
I just got one because at the time it was 30 dollars cheaper than the 6750XT I bought. I'm returning the 6750 and HELLO 270 DOLLAR 7700XT!
I like that you do size comparison
is you voice diffrent or am i imagining things?
Sir, I'm very proud of your journey. So can you tell me which country you're in, what computer programs you've done to get here... Because I'd love to learn computer hardware and start a TH-cam channel like that. I'm still going to school. I live in Sri Lanka. So I hope sir will give a good reply to my comment..
I picked one up on an ebuyer ebay store with £75 off the retail price. Ngl I'm pretty happy with that after putting it through the business for extra vat decrease.. ended up costing £315. I'd say that's a good price for this card
Personally I like that big powercolor one for my new r5600 system, 32GB 3600 RAM waiting for it, I'm quite interested in the idea of switching to Nvidia but I have no idea what the equivalent would be for say a 7700 / 7800 in UK price gap between 2 is around 100, I would like a nice small GPU but it's like cars bigger the hardware the better. So I likely get a hellhound 7800xt or more likely the sapphire Nitro+ cards as iv always gone for. I do like the idea of Nvidia tho Il have to look up the equivalents
That 49$ difference in US and that converts into 13,000INR (100$~) in india, So I think buying rx 7700XT depends from country to country