15:40 ngl as the season went on and I saw the effects Monken had on the offense, I did start to feel that calmness and I will likely feel similar for a lot of next year, with the wxception of KC and any AFC North games lol. Idc how good we are, those games will still terrify me
The Ravens' natural habitat is "near the cap limit". That's not gonna be a problem, they have decades-long experience in navigating those waters and coming out unscathed.
Outstanding as always. As a Ravens fan, I think Steve Spagnuolo and KC's entire D deserve a lot more credit for that win. They were beating our O at the point of attack all over the field. You can see why they weren't running the ball when you watch the tape. Great plan and execution. Macdonald killed it as well with the second half shutout. He had us in a position to win the game. Tough one to swallow. Feels a lot like losing on a missed kick to NE in 2011. I hope the follow up season looks similar.
There's so many ways in which, going into this coming season, last season feels a lot like that 2011 Ravens squad that was a Lee Evans drop and Cundiff shank away from making the Super Bowl, where we were so dominant in the regular season, made the AFC Championship, lost a heartbreaker to the AFC Champion, and then lost a lot of talent in the offseason including a very talented defensive coordinator leaving to become a head coach. I'm like you, I'm hoping that those parallels mean we're going to get another similar follow-up.
People remember the Greg Roman era in Baltimore as an abject disater start to finish. In fact, in 2019, with Roman as OC, Baltimore scored the most points and TDs and the second most all-purpose yards in the entire league, they had the third highest Y/P. Roman's "sin" wasn't that he didn't have a highly efficient and successful scheme. His problem was that he seemed to be unable or completely unwilling to "evolve", to modify his scheme when the opponents adapted to it. Back in 2019 he was a hero. He probably thought he could remain to be without changing anything. Well, not in the NFL.
Exactly! Cause by the time 2020 came around, Lamar mentioned how the defense were calling the plays out and that hurts any offense if everyone on defense knows what you’re running.
Wasn't there someone else, a coach who retired after '19 who, like Canales in Seattle wasn't officially the OC but who was calling the passing plays? Because those plays in '19 were _NOT_ Roman's. & while Steelers' fans chanted Matt Canada to the unemployment lines, what the excuse of BAL fans? You seemed to be incapable of calling Roman out when you needed to. He reduced Lamar's MVP #s from 36 to only 16 TDs which is less than half while more than doubled his INTs from 6 to 13. & you all just watched. Kurt Warner & a couple of lesser-known analysts made videos galore on how he undermined the *entire* offense not just the passing plays & You The Supposed Fans just let it all play out for 3 _years!_ Kenny Pickett the unproven 5th rounder got help in half that time.
Much of Roman's scheme was also predicated upon how they would out-physical their opponents. It was no secret when and where they would run the ball when they were in a given formation. That would ultimately destroy the entire scheme when they no longer had the personnel to continue that mentality. Thank God for Todd Monken.
Ravens fans have been waiting for the eventual Zach Orr call up. Obviously he was electric in his one year as a starter, mainly on the back of his high IQ. Hes been a great presence as a coach, whether it was assistant to the head coach, LB coach, etc. Everyone talks highly of him. Love the guy as a fan of the game and of the team.
Great content. The Ravens can be a better team this year, imo mainly because of Derrick Henry. He is still the toughest guy to tackle in the league and hit almost 22 mph in his last game. Lamar hasn't had a Henry yet. I don't understand how a defense is going to contain Henry and single coverage across the board or let Lamar just waltz around the field whenever he wants. I just don't see enough defenders if one or two guys aren't bringing Henry down. There is no disrespect to Gus Edwards, but Henry isn't the same kind of animal. He's a Centaur.
The thing I will say, as a Ravens' fan who's watched the Roman OC era, is that Greg Roman is a fantastic run-game coordinator, a fantastic run play designer, not even as bad of a pass play designer as he's often blamed for, but he is not a good offensive coordinator. He's a smart man. I'm glad we had him for the time we did. He helped Lamar make the NFL transition, but I think by the time he left, Lamar and the offense as a whole had outgrown him. He is deficient in too many of the gameday skills an offensive coordinator needs; I cannot overstate how many times we would end up in holes under Roman because either we'd take a pointless delay of game penalty, or the defense would be able to tee-off because of a short play clock and force a negative play because how he would call plays leaving the offense with barely enough time to actually get the snap off. In addition, he either did not bother to install, or he did install but was weirdly-reluctant to use any kind of hurry-up offense, and we'd often end losses where our offense would be driving and making positive plays but they'd just run out of time because there'd be too much time wasted calling plays at the end. As you noted, I think the problem is that he ultimately did not trust Lamar to make adjustments and calls at the line, and so Roman would make those adjustments himself or limit Lamar's latitude to make them himself, which just took unacceptably long. And his play calls were extremely predictable, and when they weren't, it was usually because they were bafflingly-inappropriate for the situation. Monken is worlds better in those gameday elements over Roman, and it showed. I cannot express how much of a relief it was to see us get to the line on offense with more than fifteen seconds to get set and get the play off so often this year. Roman's a great guy for designing plays and putting together a playbook, but give me Monken any day of the week to actually coordinate an offense.
One thing I’ll say is that you put the Ravens rushing attack as an important factor for helping Lamar as a QB but skip over the fact that he’s led the team in rushing yards every year. Not to disrespect the RB room but he’s padded the team rushing numbers and efficiency significantly.
Hey boys, been watching this series since last year, and I miss when you were talking about scheme you’d show the splits by team of defensive/offensive playcalling %s, like % of QQH/HQQ/Q/Dime etc Please consider bringing this back for next year, thanks 🥂
Its just so often not applicable when oc’s change so much each year. I feel like they mention it if its worth mentioning still. I wish they would do more of a updated position group overview and break down the strengths and weaknesses.
Since Brett had to wear a Colts jersey for that episode, when the guys get to the NFC North and the Packers episode EJ must wear a Packers jersey. They can decide who it is but fair is fair.
Bro.... How in the FAWK??!!! Did the Ravens get Derrick Henry for 8 million dollars a year? That's insane! What dirt do they have on Henry? Joe Alt has his same salary. 😮
He's 30, had a lot of touches, and both stats bros and traditionalists are big on the whole drop off in RB production when they hit 30. Combine that with the depressed wages for RBs relative to what they bring to the table, and you get a steal like this.
@@Pariahwulfen Yeah imo that might be true but that's also idiotic. Not saying that those aren't concerns but I think those concerns are lousy and he should be getting paid more than Jacobs and Barkley. Who just came off underwhelming seasons. That is really freaking dumb
He's 30. That's how. I'm also shocked someone didn't offer more, but NFL teams are allergic to 30 year old RBs. CMC - who Henry beat out for the Heisman - is 28 this year and setting the top of the market, but watch what happens in 2 years.
@@jgray2718 Yeah but that means Jack all when the guy rushed for 1200 yards behind one of the worst o lines in the lead. I would have sat out. That's abysmal pay
you are correct. I didn't think the Ravens would lose until the score was final. I thought we were in the AFC CG until the long pass to MVS before the kneel downs in the last minute of the game. Monken put all his chips in Lamar. Also on the draft. When the first 14 picks went o offense I said "oh the Ravens are getting the best Defensive player" and they got Nate Wiggins at 30. Of course we got him.
Very happy to hear the shoutout for Qadir. Went to middle school with him, very nice guy, and was able to meet Qadry in the process. Hoping the best for him in his NFL journey
Monken was much better at being multiple out of the same formations and personnel groupings. Toward the end of G-rows tenure the formations were giving away the play at a high rate
You ALWAYS have to watch out for the Ravens UDFAs. They almost always have a few that make the team each year. Some notable ones: Justin Tucker, Zachary Orr, Gus Edwards, Patrick Mekari, and Patrick Ricard, Michael Pierce, and Anthony Levine Sr. (Who is already in a coaching role in the NFL, and I expect him to keep climbing the ranks). Its not normal to have that many extremely high level starters as UDFAs in recent years.
In my view the crucial differentiator in the championship game between the Ravens and the Chiefs was the "been there done that" factor. For the Chiefs it really felt "just like another game" - because they have already been in this situation many times. On the other side, the Ravens had only very few players/coaches who have ever been to a chamionship game. The further you progress in the playoffs, the more important this "been there done that" factor gets. I have long said Harbaugh should start stuffing his coaching staff with guys with playoff and Super Bowl experience, and also, as much of the position units as possible should have a guy with playoff and maybe even Super Bowl experience. It seems that Lamar Jackson can only progress one step at a times in the playoffs (which is in no way a criticism towards him). In his first three full seasons as the Ravens QB (meaning he was the Week 1 starter and he didn't miss multiple games with injury) he: - went to the Wld Card round (2019) - went to the Divisional round (2020) - went to the Championship round (in 2023) In 2021 he missed a huge part of the regular season and the Ravens missed the playoffs (although they were 8-3 wioth him at helm), then in 2022 he again missed several games, including the Wild Card. This would indicate the next time the Ravens make the Super Bowl, and the next time after that they will win it :) (I wish things worked this way...)
The ravens are one of the teams where they get a lot of credit for a lot of things but I’m just in that mode of what have you done for me lately. Ravens, Steelers, and Packers are firmly entrenched in that mode.
I was a little disappointed with the Adisa Isaac pick -- I just didn't think we had any need for a 3rd round Edge -- and would have preferred a 3rd round WR. I was also hoping for EDC to take another OL earlier in the draft. But I also recognize that EDC is the professional.
As a PSL Owner, I can say that it was the calmest season I have ever experienced for when the offense was on the field. Now, we need to take the next step with the passing game and allow Monken to put more of his stamp on this offense. With Likely and Andrews now about to be featured on the field together, it creates more problems for defenses in that, if they stack the box with backers, those are mismatches in the passing game for Andrews and Likely. If they stay lighter in their packages, while Andrews and Likely are not great blockers, they are much better blockers against DBs. WR depth is the big concern. We have nobody behind Zay who has even proven that they can be a solid #3 WR. Let alone a solid #2 WR.
Man this podcast is some of the best, if not the best free football analytic content out there. But the whole drinking novelty has always come off a little pretentious.
I think the AFC north comes down to divisional wins this season. The steelers are clearly the best at playing divisional opponents then the ravens then the browns and lastly the bengals. This div will be 1. Steelers (4-2 vs AFCN) 2. Ravens (3-3 vs AFCN) 3. Bengals (2-4 vs AFCN) 4. Browns (2-4 vs AFCN)
But did they benefit from playing a bad passing offense, or did a mediocre passing offense get crushed by playing 4 games against them? Probably a little bit of both
The entire 1st 20 minutes are lies so obvious I've lost confidence in both these guys. Andy Reid observed opposing defenses & adjusted his offense accordingly & won the last 2 S-Bs through His Play-Calling Only. Both game-winning TDs were on plays he schemed because he watched the game. The Ravens on the other hand went into a game _against_ Reid & just kept calling RPOs then claimed that this liberated Lamar up, so everything is His Fault. That's not liberating: it's _abandoning._ No way could Reid have seen what he saw _while_ dodging sacks, looking for open receivers etc. The Ravens have acted as if they resent having an élite QB since they got one. It also seems like trying to make their élite QB irrelevant or not élite has been a Higher Priority for them than anything else. They traded away his only decent receiver & while Hollywood Brown is not a #1 WR he was great with Lamar, so they traded him away. To keep up appearances they kept Andrews. But he's no deep threat & they didn't have one for the Next Three Years. OBJ was a show-signing. They literally only did it to try to entice Lamar away from holding out for a bigger contract. Now this year they let 60% of their starting o-line go, traded 2 younger oft-injured RBs for one older one & also lost one WR. While he certainly wasn't a very _effective_ WR, the nothing they replaced him with is bound to be _more_ effective? They seem intent on paring down the weapons as much as possible as if to say "you're élite? Go prove it without receivers or coaches." They hung him out to dry in the playoffs _again!!_
@@ColinFlynn1665I don't think he was meaning to shit on him. I agree he needs to play better for us in the playoffs. It's just tiring when people say he's the only reason we haven't won which just isn't true and is a really low IQ take.
Steelers fan so I don't have a lot to say except I'm rooting for UDFA Chris Collier to make the team, even if it's just the practice squad. I went to Lock Haven and as far as I know they've never had a player break into the NFL (we have had a special teams coach, however).
A philosophical question for Bootleg: Does having the #1 QBS hurt or help Lamar's MPV case? Do you think the MVP should go to a player who does more with less and elevates the team or who takes the best situation and does the best with it? Genuinely curious because I could see a case for either line of thinking.
I think QBS factors in defensive statistics a little too much, because the Cowboys were number two and I mean, how were the Cowboys higher than San Francisco when it comes to supporting their QB?
@@colinbunn6066 That stat factors in defense. It’s the only reason the Ravens are anywhere near that high. Lamar won his first MVP in Greg Roman’s terrible passing scheme, with a bottom five WR group and having to be the team’s leading rusher. He just won his second, with not even a top 15 WR group, once again having to be the team’s leading rusher. There’s no McVay or Shanahan in Baltimore and Monken just got here last year. There’s now Brown/Smith, Chase/Higgins or Deebo/Aiyuk in Baltimore. Lamar’s never even had a top 20 WR. This year coming up will actually be the first time he does (Second year Zay Flowers)
@@segagenesis7708That's why it's funny when people wanna put someone like Burrow above Lamar. Guy won an MVP with a bottom 10 receiving room and awful passing scheme while he can't win one with a three headed monster.
Either or. Funny thing is with Lamar's first MVP he won that whilst we had a very average receiver room and this year was a more best situation sort of thing.
I think the lower passing td prediction for Lamar is reflective of them adding Derrick Henry. Hes gonna poach some tds that normally went to Lamar in previous years.
@@ShinefortheCamA two time MVP isn't that good? Lamar deniers in 2024 are hilarious. You people cling to narratives that have been broken over and over again.
Frank Gore wasn't fantasy relevant for years before he retired. I get your point, but there's a difference between being a good aging RB and being a fantasy relevant. Not saying not to draft Henry, but don't draft him because he might play until he's 40.
4:00 the models on these Lamar Jackson Underdog over/unders must be taking Injuries into account. Youre basically betting - do you think he stays healthy all year or not
This is the first year in almost a decade where I’m lower on the Ravens. Phenomenal organization but I just think they’re gonna struggle a lil for a year after their entire coaching staff got pillaged. Harbaugh is a CEO coach, he relies on competent underlings. Losing several schematic geniuses in one offseason will be tough
Weaver, MacDonald, and Wilson were far from the only coaching geniuses on that roster last season. They retained plenty of brilliant minds who are worthy of promotions
@@gray_toven I disagree. Last year, Monken kept much of what Roman did in the running game, in place, because he had no choice. We still had linemen who fit Roman’s gap schemes more than Monken’s inside/outside zone concepts. Simpson and Moses didn’t play great. Lamar made them look better than they were and neither fit the new direction of the blocking scheme. Zeitler did play great and RG is the one spot with the most concern. Stanley, Voorhees, Linderbaum and Rosengarten all fit the new direction.
Your shock at Lamar's prop lines tells me you haven't actually looked at his stats. Only last year did he get more than 3400 yards and most years, hasn't hit 3000 at all. 23.5 passing TDs is only 0.5 less than what he just got last year in his 2nd MVP season. And he's beaten that number 3/6 years, so it seems reasonable These numbers aren't saying they don't think he can pass well. Just "these are the types of passing numbers he puts up in that offense". It makes perfect sense to me, I'm not touching those lines
51:29 As one of the three Mercer fans present, I will forgive you on the condition that you say Mercer will score double digits against Alabama this season
I'm going to link every Lamar stan this video, every time they attempt to paint the Ravens as some garbage organization that Jackson is dragging to glory.
@@zackhurwitz9441No one said that then either. We've severely lacked at drafting WRs throughout our career and his low IQ take was pointing out the receivers we've drafted. People pointed out that most of those picks sucked and he blamed Lamar for that. Nice try to try and simplify what he said though.
@@Zack_410 you've drafted 3 in the first round since Lamar has been there. Along with numerous TEs. That pick into triple coverage isn't on anyone else other than Lamar. His playoff mistakes aren't on anyone else either. He has been a bad post-season QB.
@@zackhurwitz9441And one of those was garbage with problems, one is injury prone, and one just had a great rookie year. Blaming a QB for a WR not working out is clownery. Lamar haters hit new lows every day it seems. I agree he has to do better in the playoffs. But blaming him for picks not working out is the dumbest take of all time when we haven't been able to draft receivers well in our entire history as a franhise.
Don't think it'll be suspect. Only reason people say that is because they are going to have a lot of unproven talent starting. But if those new guys figure it out quickly, their O-Line this year is going to be way better than it was last year
I'm a Steelers fan, so I fully accept if this is read as me just being a hater of the Ravens. The Ravens are the best team that has never once scared me thinking about my team playing them.
I don't know about the absolute certainty that Lamar is going to throw for over 3400 yards. He's done that exactly once in his career - last year, when he won MVP. I get that he's in a new passing game that fits him better, and could very well be better this year, etc., etc. But it could also be the case that teams figure out how to slow him down a little more, too; maybe encourage him to run more or force him into passes he doesn't love. I think I might still take the over, but 3400 yards isn't a gimme.
Lamar is entering his 7th season. Stop with the "NFL is gonna figure him out" stuff. If they could have, they would have by now. The only defensive coaches rn who stand a chance are the 3 that left Baltimore last season. Mike MacDonald in Seattle, Anthony Weaver in Miami, or Dennard Wilson in Tennessee
@@Zack_410 That's the no-reading-comprehension, how-dare-he-say-Lamar-isn't-the-greatest version of what I said. What I actually said is that I'm not absolutely sure Lamar is going to throw for 3400+ yards. He's literally only done it once in 6 years; granted, that was last year and I can see this year being similar, but Brett's dismissive "Psh, OBVIOUSLY he's going to get 3400 yards!" is nonsense. Like I said, I'd _probably_ take the over, but it's not the sure bet Brett was saying. Since he's been the full-time starter Lamar's yardage totals are 3127, 2757, 2882, 2242, and 3678. He had some injuries in '21 and '22 that limited him to 12 starts, but I don't look at that data and pretend 3400 yards is a mortal lock, free money, take it to the bank. It looks like _if_ he stays healthy, and _if_ defensive coordinators don't figure out a better way to defend him, and _if_ the receiving corps is healthy, and _if_ everyone is as good as they look now, _then_ it's very likely he'll get over 3400 passing yards, but even then it's not 100%. What if Derrick Henry is absolutely destroying people on his way to 2k and Lamar just doesn't throw much? What if the Ravens are clobbering teams with defense and Lamar is like 10 of 13 for 140 and 2 TDs en route to a 24 point blowout every game? What if Zay Flowers gets hurt early in the season and the Ravens struggle to find yardage in the passing game? Things go wrong and there's no guarantee Lamar can replicate the best season of his career, even if it does look good on paper right now.
This title is absolutely amazing, lmao. Also, I highly doubt they get 13 wins. It feels like we're entering the '07 season; coming in after McNair was running on literally the last bit of fumes that the concussions hadn't burnt up and the defense was literally unstoppable, but got taken down by Indy in a similar agonizing way KC just did. I had worries about KC beating the Ravens because of those vibes.
The ravens need to fire harbs if they want any success in the post season. Ravens have underperformed every year since 2012 and that 1 run has carried him way longer than what’s reasonable
@@kevinwingate8246 Depends what you mean. On film Lamar made a ton of crazy plays last year, but of the 3 seasons he’s played at least 15 games it was by far the worst in terms of play by play efficiency according to expected points/play.
Why do you people care about passing yards so much like it's indicative of ability? He doesn't hit that cause we run the ball. We don't throw 45 times a game like other teams do.
@@Zack_410 But in every playoff game lamar does throw into triple coverage. Like i saw the same play vs the same coverage multiple times. but that receiver raised his hand once so totally not lamars fault.
@@ShinefortheCamWrong. Our outdated offense got exposed under Roman, Lamar continued to have success and got hit by flukey injuries, in both those seasons he was in the MVP convo as well. Monken is far better than Roman. Maybe know what you're talking about before you comment.
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their players dont make mental mistakes...... lol their mentality and coaching lost them that game in the playoffs. A game where the best team with the most revolutionary genius coaches and best players lost and looked like a salty fucking highschool team the entire time. what a joke.
Note to GM's. If you're in a contract dispute with your "QB" and they threaten to hit the open market and NO ONE comes, don't get CLOWNED into paying premium prices for someone that puts up Tyrod Taylor numbers. If I was a GM, clowns would be bagging groceries before I'd OVER pay for what no one wants. It seems like everyone has rose colored glasses when it comes to everyone's favorite DEI "mvp" recipient but everyone also knows, it's fooling NO ONE. Also, a washed up Henry ain't going to get you over the hump.
The Ravens are a running team. Lamar finished the season 17th in pass attempts. Had he finished 14th and assuming his yards-per-attempt held, he would have broken 4000 yards. Lamar was 4th in the QB efficiency stats: Passer Rating, QBR, yards-per-attempt, and yards-per-completion. I'll mention that Purdy was better in all 4 of those stats.
@@samazon52 Lamar and Purdy are overrated! Anyone half competent could function well in the 9ers offense with those weapons. Lamar is good but he’s not a elite passer
Exceptional reference in the title here boys
Except the other way around right?
Because the gods cannot save ya'll from Mahomes. 😂
15:40 ngl as the season went on and I saw the effects Monken had on the offense, I did start to feel that calmness and I will likely feel similar for a lot of next year, with the wxception of KC and any AFC North games lol. Idc how good we are, those games will still terrify me
This is the funniest title yet, but I think it also shows the respect these two have for Baltimore’s talents/powers
I love it, I think I remember the title being a line from The Wire back in the day
@@Unknown31212 Oh Indeed! *Omar Voices*
The Ravens' natural habitat is "near the cap limit". That's not gonna be a problem, they have decades-long experience in navigating those waters and coming out unscathed.
As a ravens fan i agree with you in general but unscathed isn’t the right word. Weve been burned before see:anquan boldin
@@alecharris423 True - I should have said "usually unscathed" or something similar...
Outstanding as always. As a Ravens fan, I think Steve Spagnuolo and KC's entire D deserve a lot more credit for that win. They were beating our O at the point of attack all over the field. You can see why they weren't running the ball when you watch the tape. Great plan and execution. Macdonald killed it as well with the second half shutout. He had us in a position to win the game. Tough one to swallow. Feels a lot like losing on a missed kick to NE in 2011. I hope the follow up season looks similar.
Agreed, they didn't abandon the run. The run just wasn't available.
There's so many ways in which, going into this coming season, last season feels a lot like that 2011 Ravens squad that was a Lee Evans drop and Cundiff shank away from making the Super Bowl, where we were so dominant in the regular season, made the AFC Championship, lost a heartbreaker to the AFC Champion, and then lost a lot of talent in the offseason including a very talented defensive coordinator leaving to become a head coach.
I'm like you, I'm hoping that those parallels mean we're going to get another similar follow-up.
Best comment I've seen
People remember the Greg Roman era in Baltimore as an abject disater start to finish. In fact, in 2019, with Roman as OC, Baltimore scored the most points and TDs and the second most all-purpose yards in the entire league, they had the third highest Y/P. Roman's "sin" wasn't that he didn't have a highly efficient and successful scheme. His problem was that he seemed to be unable or completely unwilling to "evolve", to modify his scheme when the opponents adapted to it. Back in 2019 he was a hero. He probably thought he could remain to be without changing anything. Well, not in the NFL.
Exactly! Cause by the time 2020 came around, Lamar mentioned how the defense were calling the plays out and that hurts any offense if everyone on defense knows what you’re running.
As a Ravens fan, we don't need this defense of Greg Roman. His play calls were do obvious everyone on television knew what we were doing.
@@imnotsqiddy Providing nuance is not the same as defending Greg Roman.
Wasn't there someone else, a coach who retired after '19 who, like Canales in Seattle wasn't officially the OC but who was calling the passing plays? Because those plays in '19 were _NOT_ Roman's. & while Steelers' fans chanted Matt Canada to the unemployment lines, what the excuse of BAL fans? You seemed to be incapable of calling Roman out when you needed to.
He reduced Lamar's MVP #s from 36 to only 16 TDs which is less than half while more than doubled his INTs from 6 to 13.
& you all just watched. Kurt Warner & a couple of lesser-known analysts made videos galore on how he undermined the *entire* offense not just the passing plays & You The Supposed Fans just let it all play out for 3 _years!_ Kenny Pickett the unproven 5th rounder got help in half that time.
Much of Roman's scheme was also predicated upon how they would out-physical their opponents. It was no secret when and where they would run the ball when they were in a given formation. That would ultimately destroy the entire scheme when they no longer had the personnel to continue that mentality. Thank God for Todd Monken.
They really underpaying the hell out of Henry
Ravens fans have been waiting for the eventual Zach Orr call up. Obviously he was electric in his one year as a starter, mainly on the back of his high IQ. Hes been a great presence as a coach, whether it was assistant to the head coach, LB coach, etc. Everyone talks highly of him. Love the guy as a fan of the game and of the team.
Great content. The Ravens can be a better team this year, imo mainly because of Derrick Henry. He is still the toughest guy to tackle in the league and hit almost 22 mph in his last game. Lamar hasn't had a Henry yet. I don't understand how a defense is going to contain Henry and single coverage across the board or let Lamar just waltz around the field whenever he wants. I just don't see enough defenders if one or two guys aren't bringing Henry down. There is no disrespect to Gus Edwards, but Henry isn't the same kind of animal. He's a Centaur.
It's not just that we lost the game because of the drops, it's not just that there were 8 of them, it's that it was against the Steelers.
You guys make a lot of incredible titles, but this one right here… this one takes the cake. What a lovely Baltimore reference.
Nah they're qb is trash and a choke artist! They are phony
@@ShinefortheCamyou prob just don’t like black people lmao keep projecting
@@ShinefortheCam Phonied our way to the best record in the NFL.
@@ShinefortheCam So trash he won two MVPs?? Nice troll
What's the reference?
The thing I will say, as a Ravens' fan who's watched the Roman OC era, is that Greg Roman is a fantastic run-game coordinator, a fantastic run play designer, not even as bad of a pass play designer as he's often blamed for, but he is not a good offensive coordinator. He's a smart man. I'm glad we had him for the time we did. He helped Lamar make the NFL transition, but I think by the time he left, Lamar and the offense as a whole had outgrown him.
He is deficient in too many of the gameday skills an offensive coordinator needs; I cannot overstate how many times we would end up in holes under Roman because either we'd take a pointless delay of game penalty, or the defense would be able to tee-off because of a short play clock and force a negative play because how he would call plays leaving the offense with barely enough time to actually get the snap off. In addition, he either did not bother to install, or he did install but was weirdly-reluctant to use any kind of hurry-up offense, and we'd often end losses where our offense would be driving and making positive plays but they'd just run out of time because there'd be too much time wasted calling plays at the end. As you noted, I think the problem is that he ultimately did not trust Lamar to make adjustments and calls at the line, and so Roman would make those adjustments himself or limit Lamar's latitude to make them himself, which just took unacceptably long. And his play calls were extremely predictable, and when they weren't, it was usually because they were bafflingly-inappropriate for the situation.
Monken is worlds better in those gameday elements over Roman, and it showed. I cannot express how much of a relief it was to see us get to the line on offense with more than fifteen seconds to get set and get the play off so often this year. Roman's a great guy for designing plays and putting together a playbook, but give me Monken any day of the week to actually coordinate an offense.
One thing I’ll say is that you put the Ravens rushing attack as an important factor for helping Lamar as a QB but skip over the fact that he’s led the team in rushing yards every year. Not to disrespect the RB room but he’s padded the team rushing numbers and efficiency significantly.
Hopefully he doesn't lead us in rushing this year. I really hate that stat.
Hey boys, been watching this series since last year, and I miss when you were talking about scheme you’d show the splits by team of defensive/offensive playcalling %s, like % of QQH/HQQ/Q/Dime etc
Please consider bringing this back for next year, thanks 🥂
Its just so often not applicable when oc’s change so much each year. I feel like they mention it if its worth mentioning still. I wish they would do more of a updated position group overview and break down the strengths and weaknesses.
Nailed it with the calm comment. It really feels like as long as nothing catastrophic happened they were gonna ball
Since Brett had to wear a Colts jersey for that episode, when the guys get to the NFC North and the Packers episode EJ must wear a Packers jersey. They can decide who it is but fair is fair.
Brett wore Texans that entire week.
Raven's fans love Brett Kohlman/Bootleg Football!
Bro.... How in the FAWK??!!! Did the Ravens get Derrick Henry for 8 million dollars a year? That's insane! What dirt do they have on Henry? Joe Alt has his same salary. 😮
He's 30, had a lot of touches, and both stats bros and traditionalists are big on the whole drop off in RB production when they hit 30. Combine that with the depressed wages for RBs relative to what they bring to the table, and you get a steal like this.
@@Pariahwulfen Yeah imo that might be true but that's also idiotic. Not saying that those aren't concerns but I think those concerns are lousy and he should be getting paid more than Jacobs and Barkley. Who just came off underwhelming seasons. That is really freaking dumb
He's 30. That's how. I'm also shocked someone didn't offer more, but NFL teams are allergic to 30 year old RBs. CMC - who Henry beat out for the Heisman - is 28 this year and setting the top of the market, but watch what happens in 2 years.
No dirt, we had him in a trade last yr for a 4th Rd but it got vetoed
@@jgray2718 Yeah but that means Jack all when the guy rushed for 1200 yards behind one of the worst o lines in the lead. I would have sat out. That's abysmal pay
15:55 the only time I felt stressed was whether the receiver would actually catch the wide open catch or dime from lamar
Derrick Henry for 1600 yards?
Recorded this before they signed Eddie Jackson?
you are correct. I didn't think the Ravens would lose until the score was final. I thought we were in the AFC CG until the long pass to MVS before the kneel downs in the last minute of the game. Monken put all his chips in Lamar. Also on the draft. When the first 14 picks went o offense I said "oh the Ravens are getting the best Defensive player" and they got Nate Wiggins at 30. Of course we got him.
This is the best football podcast hands down.
Very happy to hear the shoutout for Qadir. Went to middle school with him, very nice guy, and was able to meet Qadry in the process. Hoping the best for him in his NFL journey
The Ravens are trying him out at TE the last I heard. That is a tough room to crack with, Andrews, Likely, and Kolar.
You guys need to check the chapter titles. They all say "Bengals."
Because this channel is owned by Bengal and thus is all just Falcons franchise in a new form
@@imhotepnixonuh…. What did you even say? Day drinking?
@@mitchellapple9184 yes got off 5am shift brewski in hand listening to bootleg life is good
@@mitchellapple9184bengal is the name of another nfl TH-cam channel
What nomsense you are talking about? None of the chapter title mentioned bengal at all.
Monken was much better at being multiple out of the same formations and personnel groupings. Toward the end of G-rows tenure the formations were giving away the play at a high rate
One of the most insightful non daily coverage I’ve seen.
Best title for a Baltimore ravens video ever, iykyk
Im just excited having a running game not completely reliant on lamars threat of running
Excellent video! Felt a lot of vindication and validation from you guys! Btw, draft value of the year... Rashod Bateman!
Let’s go NFC North next!
I've been waiting for Minnesota all summer lol
"lets just say its 'just so ravens'" was such an underrated joke. Well done EJ
You ALWAYS have to watch out for the Ravens UDFAs. They almost always have a few that make the team each year. Some notable ones: Justin Tucker, Zachary Orr, Gus Edwards, Patrick Mekari, and Patrick Ricard, Michael Pierce, and Anthony Levine Sr. (Who is already in a coaching role in the NFL, and I expect him to keep climbing the ranks). Its not normal to have that many extremely high level starters as UDFAs in recent years.
The way Brett Kollmann is delicately talking about how bad Greg Roman was sounds exactly like a guy employed by the same team as Greg Roman lol
these titles just keep getting better and better🔥🔥
This upcoming Bears episode will feed families
love devin leary! so glad to hear the glowing reviews about him
You guys know ball
In my view the crucial differentiator in the championship game between the Ravens and the Chiefs was the "been there done that" factor. For the Chiefs it really felt "just like another game" - because they have already been in this situation many times. On the other side, the Ravens had only very few players/coaches who have ever been to a chamionship game. The further you progress in the playoffs, the more important this "been there done that" factor gets. I have long said Harbaugh should start stuffing his coaching staff with guys with playoff and Super Bowl experience, and also, as much of the position units as possible should have a guy with playoff and maybe even Super Bowl experience.
It seems that Lamar Jackson can only progress one step at a times in the playoffs (which is in no way a criticism towards him). In his first three full seasons as the Ravens QB (meaning he was the Week 1 starter and he didn't miss multiple games with injury) he:
- went to the Wld Card round (2019)
- went to the Divisional round (2020)
- went to the Championship round (in 2023)
In 2021 he missed a huge part of the regular season and the Ravens missed the playoffs (although they were 8-3 wioth him at helm), then in 2022 he again missed several games, including the Wild Card.
This would indicate the next time the Ravens make the Super Bowl, and the next time after that they will win it :) (I wish things worked this way...)
The Ravens have already waived Tayvion Robinson.
Qadir is kind of old for a rookie -- he is older than Roquan!
Waited soo long for this episode 🎉
I haven't been calm watching a Ravens game since 2012 lol
The ravens are one of the teams where they get a lot of credit for a lot of things but I’m just in that mode of what have you done for me lately. Ravens, Steelers, and Packers are firmly entrenched in that mode.
One of these things is not like the other
@@donalddonald348 now I’m curious. What I meant was organizations that get pats in the back for being well run but what are you referring to?
We went 14-3 last year. What are you talking about?
Been waiting awhile for this episode #ravensflock
The o-line is m major question this year because it’s new guys learning a new system and all the talent means nothing if you can’t protect
The ravens offense chose to play massive four verts all day against the best defense to stop it.
*- ANOTHER NOTABLE SIGNING -*
Eddie Jackson, legion of Boom 2.0 incoming...
We got to win the Chip this year . O line and WR need to be better
Listen here Lamar. You come at Mahomes, you best not miss.
(love the title, obviously)
Lol the Wire Reference FTW !!!😂
Sick reference with the title
DA BIRDS. WERE GOING ALL DA WAY BABYYYY
They want to talk to me about money laundering? In West Baltimore? Shieeeeeet.
I was a little disappointed with the Adisa Isaac pick -- I just didn't think we had any need for a 3rd round Edge -- and would have preferred a 3rd round WR.
I was also hoping for EDC to take another OL earlier in the draft.
But I also recognize that EDC is the professional.
As a PSL Owner, I can say that it was the calmest season I have ever experienced for when the offense was on the field. Now, we need to take the next step with the passing game and allow Monken to put more of his stamp on this offense. With Likely and Andrews now about to be featured on the field together, it creates more problems for defenses in that, if they stack the box with backers, those are mismatches in the passing game for Andrews and Likely. If they stay lighter in their packages, while Andrews and Likely are not great blockers, they are much better blockers against DBs. WR depth is the big concern. We have nobody behind Zay who has even proven that they can be a solid #3 WR. Let alone a solid #2 WR.
Bateman has shown flashes, just hasn't been healthy. Agholor and Tez are gonna contribute a lot more than you think.
The Ravens are always stressful. They have a historic tendency to have close games for no reason and throw away massive leads for fun.
Really excited to see rpo misdirection with henry and lamar with lamar having the ability to do play action off it or keep it. Gl stopping that.
Why the issue with the Lamar line from Underdog? It’s his season averages, even if you exclude the first half year.
And here we go!
Got a new subscriber
3rd in rushing offense... and the Ravens lost their RB1, JK Dobbins, in their first game.
Just insane
Dobbins has played 9 games in 3 seasons. Relax
I mean the guy has been injury prone since he's been in the league. Our run scheme is just really great, plus our QB gets involved as well.
@@Zack_410 Dobbins has been injured exactly twice. But that first one was horrific.
If Dobbins was healthy would be awesome
Man this podcast is some of the best, if not the best free football analytic content out there. But the whole drinking novelty has always come off a little pretentious.
I think the AFC north comes down to divisional wins this season. The steelers are clearly the best at playing divisional opponents then the ravens then the browns and lastly the bengals. This div will be
1. Steelers (4-2 vs AFCN)
2. Ravens (3-3 vs AFCN)
3. Bengals (2-4 vs AFCN)
4. Browns (2-4 vs AFCN)
Not to take away from the Ravens/Browns, but what does it say that the top 2 passing defenses both played the last ranked passing offense twice?
But did they benefit from playing a bad passing offense, or did a mediocre passing offense get crushed by playing 4 games against them? Probably a little bit of both
Both teams also had top 10 schedules when it comes to SOS
Steelers fan here… lets see what y’all have to say about them ratbirds
even tho they got worse they’re somehow gonna be just as good meanwhile we got significantly better and we gonna win less games 🤣
@@biguziverttYes because the Steelers are MID AF, constant 9-8, and constant round one L’s but sure talk shit 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@ccsharks3104 alright dude keep the energy when we sweep yall again 😂 ur gonna lose to russel wilson twice in one season
@@biguzivertt I’m shaking in my boots
The entire 1st 20 minutes are lies so obvious I've lost confidence in both these guys. Andy Reid observed opposing defenses & adjusted his offense accordingly & won the last 2 S-Bs through His Play-Calling Only. Both game-winning TDs were on plays he schemed because he watched the game.
The Ravens on the other hand went into a game _against_ Reid & just kept calling RPOs then claimed that this liberated Lamar up, so everything is His Fault.
That's not liberating: it's _abandoning._ No way could Reid have seen what he saw _while_ dodging sacks, looking for open receivers etc.
The Ravens have acted as if they resent having an élite QB since they got one. It also seems like trying to make their élite QB irrelevant or not élite has been a Higher Priority for them than anything else. They traded away his only decent receiver & while Hollywood Brown is not a #1 WR he was great with Lamar, so they traded him away.
To keep up appearances they kept Andrews. But he's no deep threat & they didn't have one for the Next Three Years. OBJ was a show-signing. They literally only did it to try to entice Lamar away from holding out for a bigger contract. Now this year they let 60% of their starting o-line go, traded 2 younger oft-injured RBs for one older one & also lost one WR. While he certainly wasn't a very _effective_ WR, the nothing they replaced him with is bound to be _more_ effective?
They seem intent on paring down the weapons as much as possible as if to say "you're élite? Go prove it without receivers or coaches." They hung him out to dry in the playoffs _again!!_
I'd say this once, and I'll say this again, Lamar Jackson is The Best Regular season QB
They said the same thing about Peyton his first 6 years in the league too
@@ColinFlynn1665I don't think he was meaning to shit on him. I agree he needs to play better for us in the playoffs. It's just tiring when people say he's the only reason we haven't won which just isn't true and is a really low IQ take.
Steelers fan so I don't have a lot to say except I'm rooting for UDFA Chris Collier to make the team, even if it's just the practice squad. I went to Lock Haven and as far as I know they've never had a player break into the NFL (we have had a special teams coach, however).
A philosophical question for Bootleg: Does having the #1 QBS hurt or help Lamar's MPV case? Do you think the MVP should go to a player who does more with less and elevates the team or who takes the best situation and does the best with it? Genuinely curious because I could see a case for either line of thinking.
I think QBS factors in defensive statistics a little too much, because the Cowboys were number two and I mean, how were the Cowboys higher than San Francisco when it comes to supporting their QB?
That QBS stat is mad inconsistent for me
@@colinbunn6066 That stat factors in defense. It’s the only reason the Ravens are anywhere near that high. Lamar won his first MVP in Greg Roman’s terrible passing scheme, with a bottom five WR group and having to be the team’s leading rusher. He just won his second, with not even a top 15 WR group, once again having to be the team’s leading rusher. There’s no McVay or Shanahan in Baltimore and Monken just got here last year. There’s now Brown/Smith, Chase/Higgins or Deebo/Aiyuk in Baltimore. Lamar’s never even had a top 20 WR. This year coming up will actually be the first time he does (Second year Zay Flowers)
@@segagenesis7708That's why it's funny when people wanna put someone like Burrow above Lamar. Guy won an MVP with a bottom 10 receiving room and awful passing scheme while he can't win one with a three headed monster.
Either or. Funny thing is with Lamar's first MVP he won that whilst we had a very average receiver room and this year was a more best situation sort of thing.
Giving the fact that the Ravens only loss to mediocre teams they probably do win 15 games 😅
We'll probably win one or two less. Idk why the comments are being so disrespectful.
Go Steelers! Respect for the purple and black though
I think the lower passing td prediction for Lamar is reflective of them adding Derrick Henry. Hes gonna poach some tds that normally went to Lamar in previous years.
Or just the fact he's not that good
@@ShinefortheCam you just saying stupid shit now
Our RBs poached a lot last year anyway
@@ShinefortheCamA two time MVP isn't that good? Lamar deniers in 2024 are hilarious. You people cling to narratives that have been broken over and over again.
@@Zack_410 He hasnt exactly been great in the playoffs where it matters most. Thats not a narrativs, its factual.
Frank Gore wasn't fantasy relevant for years before he retired. I get your point, but there's a difference between being a good aging RB and being a fantasy relevant.
Not saying not to draft Henry, but don't draft him because he might play until he's 40.
4:00 the models on these Lamar Jackson Underdog over/unders must be taking Injuries into account.
Youre basically betting - do you think he stays healthy all year or not
We're really doing the whole BS injury prone narrative again?
Here we go with the "injury prone" narrative again.
Saving the NFC North for last is so rude. Lol
This is the first year in almost a decade where I’m lower on the Ravens. Phenomenal organization but I just think they’re gonna struggle a lil for a year after their entire coaching staff got pillaged. Harbaugh is a CEO coach, he relies on competent underlings. Losing several schematic geniuses in one offseason will be tough
Weaver, MacDonald, and Wilson were far from the only coaching geniuses on that roster last season. They retained plenty of brilliant minds who are worthy of promotions
@@mars7304Our coaches get raided all the time anyway. Nothing new.
First timestamp says bengals day. Doesn’t matter if it Bengals or Baltimore. Steelers by 20
Yep they will fix it
@@ShinefortheCam I think it was on purpose.
Steelers by 20 but they'll still finish 9-8... congrats on mediocrity
I know it’s the Raven’s but the offensive line is going to be a bigger concern than you gave it credit for
Not really. Rosengarten fills in admirably at RT and Baltimore has had several guards in the development stage for a while now.
@@gray_toven I disagree. Last year, Monken kept much of what Roman did in the running game, in place, because he had no choice. We still had linemen who fit Roman’s gap schemes more than Monken’s inside/outside zone concepts. Simpson and Moses didn’t play great. Lamar made them look better than they were and neither fit the new direction of the blocking scheme. Zeitler did play great and RG is the one spot with the most concern. Stanley, Voorhees, Linderbaum and Rosengarten all fit the new direction.
Your shock at Lamar's prop lines tells me you haven't actually looked at his stats. Only last year did he get more than 3400 yards and most years, hasn't hit 3000 at all. 23.5 passing TDs is only 0.5 less than what he just got last year in his 2nd MVP season. And he's beaten that number 3/6 years, so it seems reasonable
These numbers aren't saying they don't think he can pass well. Just "these are the types of passing numbers he puts up in that offense". It makes perfect sense to me, I'm not touching those lines
51:29 As one of the three Mercer fans present, I will forgive you on the condition that you say Mercer will score double digits against Alabama this season
I'm going to link every Lamar stan this video, every time they attempt to paint the Ravens as some garbage organization that Jackson is dragging to glory.
No one does that
@@Zack_410 they're out there. Go look up any of the videos about when Mark Schlareth said he needs to be better in the playoffs.
@@zackhurwitz9441No one said that then either. We've severely lacked at drafting WRs throughout our career and his low IQ take was pointing out the receivers we've drafted. People pointed out that most of those picks sucked and he blamed Lamar for that. Nice try to try and simplify what he said though.
@@Zack_410 you've drafted 3 in the first round since Lamar has been there. Along with numerous TEs. That pick into triple coverage isn't on anyone else other than Lamar. His playoff mistakes aren't on anyone else either. He has been a bad post-season QB.
@@zackhurwitz9441And one of those was garbage with problems, one is injury prone, and one just had a great rookie year. Blaming a QB for a WR not working out is clownery. Lamar haters hit new lows every day it seems. I agree he has to do better in the playoffs. But blaming him for picks not working out is the dumbest take of all time when we haven't been able to draft receivers well in our entire history as a franhise.
Been waiting for this
A1 Title
Hearing their O line will be suspect this year...curious to see if you agree.
Don't think it'll be suspect. Only reason people say that is because they are going to have a lot of unproven talent starting. But if those new guys figure it out quickly, their O-Line this year is going to be way better than it was last year
I'm a Steelers fan, so I fully accept if this is read as me just being a hater of the Ravens. The Ravens are the best team that has never once scared me thinking about my team playing them.
Well yeah, it's because the Steelers have had the Ravens number ever since Lamar got into the league. Of course they wouldn't scare you
1. Bengals 13-4
2. Steelers 12-5
3. Ravens 12-5
4. Browns 10-7
AFC North becomes first division to send all 4 teams to the playoffs.
Bengals and Steelers will not be ahead of us.
It’s crazy if all the afc north teams finish above 500 again
They won't. Steelers can't fluke their way to a winning record again and the Browns won't have their little miracle run either.
@@Zack_410 Steelers have fluked their way to a winning record the past 5 years... they'll definitely do it again
Triplets for 1000? Henry early, Mitchell later in the year and Lamar... should be fun to see...
If we build the offense correctly Lamar should be nowhere near 1000 yards rushing.
Aww. The Bengals titles are cold.
Let’s Go Ravens
How did they score 100 on roster? I can name a few teams last year with better pieces
They got sponsor money or want "ins" with the baltimore org. This was a fluff piece.
I don't know about the absolute certainty that Lamar is going to throw for over 3400 yards. He's done that exactly once in his career - last year, when he won MVP. I get that he's in a new passing game that fits him better, and could very well be better this year, etc., etc. But it could also be the case that teams figure out how to slow him down a little more, too; maybe encourage him to run more or force him into passes he doesn't love. I think I might still take the over, but 3400 yards isn't a gimme.
Lamar is entering his 7th season. Stop with the "NFL is gonna figure him out" stuff. If they could have, they would have by now. The only defensive coaches rn who stand a chance are the 3 that left Baltimore last season. Mike MacDonald in Seattle, Anthony Weaver in Miami, or Dennard Wilson in Tennessee
@@mars7304 You should consider reading what I actually wrote rather than projecting what you think everyone is saying about Lamar onto me.
@@jgray2718That's literally what you said.
@@Zack_410 That's the no-reading-comprehension, how-dare-he-say-Lamar-isn't-the-greatest version of what I said. What I actually said is that I'm not absolutely sure Lamar is going to throw for 3400+ yards. He's literally only done it once in 6 years; granted, that was last year and I can see this year being similar, but Brett's dismissive "Psh, OBVIOUSLY he's going to get 3400 yards!" is nonsense. Like I said, I'd _probably_ take the over, but it's not the sure bet Brett was saying.
Since he's been the full-time starter Lamar's yardage totals are 3127, 2757, 2882, 2242, and 3678. He had some injuries in '21 and '22 that limited him to 12 starts, but I don't look at that data and pretend 3400 yards is a mortal lock, free money, take it to the bank. It looks like _if_ he stays healthy, and _if_ defensive coordinators don't figure out a better way to defend him, and _if_ the receiving corps is healthy, and _if_ everyone is as good as they look now, _then_ it's very likely he'll get over 3400 passing yards, but even then it's not 100%.
What if Derrick Henry is absolutely destroying people on his way to 2k and Lamar just doesn't throw much? What if the Ravens are clobbering teams with defense and Lamar is like 10 of 13 for 140 and 2 TDs en route to a 24 point blowout every game? What if Zay Flowers gets hurt early in the season and the Ravens struggle to find yardage in the passing game? Things go wrong and there's no guarantee Lamar can replicate the best season of his career, even if it does look good on paper right now.
This title is absolutely amazing, lmao. Also, I highly doubt they get 13 wins. It feels like we're entering the '07 season; coming in after McNair was running on literally the last bit of fumes that the concussions hadn't burnt up and the defense was literally unstoppable, but got taken down by Indy in a similar agonizing way KC just did. I had worries about KC beating the Ravens because of those vibes.
Ravens haters are fucking delusional holy hell.
The ravens need to fire harbs if they want any success in the post season. Ravens have underperformed every year since 2012 and that 1 run has carried him way longer than what’s reasonable
If we moved to McDonald as the new best coach would have been insane
Lamar averages 185 passing yards a game for a career, it’s a fine number. Can’t wait for him to prove me wrong and finally hit 4k.
Watch Herbert start dropping his average yards down closer to 200.
He averaged 230 last season he gets better every year barring injury
@@kevinwingate8246 Depends what you mean. On film Lamar made a ton of crazy plays last year, but of the 3 seasons he’s played at least 15 games it was by far the worst in terms of play by play efficiency according to expected points/play.
Why do you people care about passing yards so much like it's indicative of ability? He doesn't hit that cause we run the ball. We don't throw 45 times a game like other teams do.
@@Zack_410 But in every playoff game lamar does throw into triple coverage. Like i saw the same play vs the same coverage multiple times. but that receiver raised his hand once so totally not lamars fault.
Everytime lamar has a new oc he wins MVP lol
& then the others get tape on the offense & he gets exposed
How did he get exposed adter the first mvp? He was a top contender for mvp every tear after till he gets hurt lol
@@michaelosborne1584Hes only Had 2 tho
@@ShinefortheCamWrong. Our outdated offense got exposed under Roman, Lamar continued to have success and got hit by flukey injuries, in both those seasons he was in the MVP convo as well. Monken is far better than Roman. Maybe know what you're talking about before you comment.
Wiggins and Tez are winning a superbowl in their rookie season.
Gotta beat the chiefs first bub.
Lmao😂😂😂 boy not bright
Nah
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their players dont make mental mistakes...... lol their mentality and coaching lost them that game in the playoffs. A game where the best team with the most revolutionary genius coaches and best players lost and looked like a salty fucking highschool team the entire time. what a joke.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit
Note to GM's. If you're in a contract dispute with your "QB" and they threaten to hit the open market and NO ONE comes, don't get CLOWNED into paying premium prices for someone that puts up Tyrod Taylor numbers. If I was a GM, clowns would be bagging groceries before I'd OVER pay for what no one wants. It seems like everyone has rose colored glasses when it comes to everyone's favorite DEI "mvp" recipient but everyone also knows, it's fooling NO ONE. Also, a washed up Henry ain't going to get you over the hump.
Oh man, I'm sure you're a fun person to be around.
Jackson had 24tds and he never threw for over 3700
I wish lamar would star pad like these othwr QBs, too bad he just kills defense 80 percent of the time and chills in the fourth lol
@michaelosborne1584 nah he just aint good enough
He’s good but let’s stop acting like he’s an amazing pocket passer. Teams are scared of his scrambling not his pinpoint accuracy lol
The Ravens are a running team. Lamar finished the season 17th in pass attempts. Had he finished 14th and assuming his yards-per-attempt held, he would have broken 4000 yards.
Lamar was 4th in the QB efficiency stats: Passer Rating, QBR, yards-per-attempt, and yards-per-completion.
I'll mention that Purdy was better in all 4 of those stats.
@@samazon52 Lamar and Purdy are overrated! Anyone half competent could function well in the 9ers offense with those weapons. Lamar is good but he’s not a elite passer