The amount of PP dips, PP treatments, fluke treatments etc that you chuck in your pond every 5 mins, no wonder the koi are cheesed off! Let the pond/ koi adapt to a new eco system!!
Totally understand, but can’t leave the koi with parasites! The trip to the national koi show with the temp fluctuations gave them white spot! You have to treat them!
Ayup fella... hope you get sorted soon.... no doubt you will smash it 💪🏻 I think a lot of people are having issues in general at the minute 😢 take care fella
@leehadfield6881 mine are improving at last. Just my sanke looks awful... gonna be worse looking through a window... need to get her out and treat again this weekend. Hope Lady Hadfield and Wolf are keeping well fella... looking forward to the Tosai mountain climb 💪🏻
Hi Lee it's a product I have used for a while now and is absolutely amazing for white and flukes buddy. But if I'm treating for both I will double dose with pp for the flukes at 3g per 1000ltr and it clears most the flukes and slim coat then it the white spot straight after with the parasite plus and it works a treat mate. Good luck 👍🏼
Hi Lee I what a lot if not all your videos/ I think there brill and full of information,many thanks , I was thinking about your trouble with parasites, and thought would ever think about ozone , please research this and give us a video on your opinion, many thanks Paul from Liverpool
Hey up squire If you continue to see the koi not quite right yet cant find any parasites try some pond detox. Thats worked for me. Also the split fins in your pond are probably down to stocking levels pal. When competing for the food they bash against one another. To combat this reduce stocking and feed a 50/50 mix of floating and sinking food.
@@shaunleonard8146 personally i think they are all a waste of time. If your parameters are out then you need to look at your filtration setup. If its a new pond just do water changes. Simples
Lee. I can highly recommend you contact Shaun Slevin for advice re fish health and Syd Mitchell for water issues. Both top of their game and truly genuinely want to help.
Have you checked the chlorine after changing the carbon in the big blue? Seen a thread about this a while ago and apparently you are not supposed to to fill them right up. The person who created said thread had done this and it was letting chlorine though. After speaking to the person he bought the refill off he was given instructions how to do it properly and it solved the chlorine issue. Not saying you do or you dont have chlorine issues, but its always worth checking rather than chucking random chemicals in for something you cant find.
Quick question is that the 1kg pack as that treats 5.5k gallons twice? If so and you’ve used the whole pack, that's actually 6k gallons over not 500gallon😬. Hopefully thats not the case, I'd double check mate.
Hum white spot? Did you find it, or were you just suspecting it. The reason I say this is my fish have been a bit off? But so has the weather. They have not been feeding as they were before the stormy weather. They have been keeping to the middle of the pond. I do not have heating so fish have dropped from about 20 to 17.5. Fish seem to be ok know thu?
Like you said mate, you know your fish better than anyone else, no doubt the anti PP brigade will have something to say 😂. What a cracking view from the top of your drum 👌🏼👍🏼
Salt at 0.6 will kill whitespot without any further treatment in fact it will kill eveythibg apart from fluke at that level... if you want to be sure raise it to 0.75
Lovely video Lee, like the relaxing view from the pond at the end, as pondkeepers we do so much 'work' in and around our ponds that it's nice to just chill and enjoy them. Anyway, I've read a load of the comments and thought I'd share my thoughts, for what its worth. You said in your video that you felt temperature change was a causative factor in your fish being unwell. However, I think it's much more likely to be stress related; although I've watched a few of your videos about showing your koi and you clearly look after their wellbeing throughout the process, stress is unavoidable, and its one of the biggest triggers of ill-health in many animals including fish. I don't keep koi, but I do keep other carp and the psychology and physiology is basically the same. I did a fair amount of reserach into studies on common carp and the effects of stress and made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/C7YLHxGNhWo/w-d-xo.html Basically, medium to long term stress (hours and days) even at a low level, is worse for a fish than short term stress (seconds or minutes) even at a high level. Longer term stress has an identified impact on both the likelihood of a fish picking up an infection/illness and on how ill the fish would then get with a given condition. I think that then giving PP treatments on top of 'show stress' has given the fish a double whammy in terms of reducing their ability to resist infections, PP weaknes/lessens their slime coating whcih is their first line of defence against pathogens. This isn't "anti-PP brigade" (comment below) stuff, it's just a researched side effect of the treatment and a reason to be cautious about using it, especially in conjunction with another possible factor that would lower their resistence. White spot is an interesting one for your fish to have picked up, in my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, fish tend to pick it up when already weakened for some reason, while healthy fish tend to resist it. For instance, I used to have tench in my pond that got it twice during the time I had them, but the carp never did. Fortunately it's easier to get rid of than flukes and many of the other pathogens, again only in my limited and non-researched opinion. Anyway, I wish you and your fish well, and hope the treatement works, I've also 'heard' good things about it, tho' not used it mysefl.
Stress. It’s the number one root cause of health problems in all living things. Whether due to environmental fluctuations, moving etc. I challenge your comment that’s it nothing to do with the show. The national and other shows are ill timed. In the height of summer when this should be the time fish are left alone. When is the industry going to wake up?
Paul you are correct in the timing of shows but without the dealers stands and the footfall through the gates there is no show!! It all costs money and its heavily reliant on donations. Holding a show in winter isn't likely to be a viable option especially when the majority of koi keepers are not heated so for them it's not the right time of year for buying new koi to enjoy before winter kicks in and the pond season slows so dealers are not making enough money through sales, footfall through the gates is a massive factor and if its cold and wet most people won't bother.. So your "wake up" comment isn't justified but if you have any constructive comments then I'm sure the BKKS would be all to happy to listen.
@@Tom_Prendiville Tom, I wasn’t meaning winter but more like September or early to mid October when cooler water temperatures in the vats can be better maintained and oxygen levels are higher. That also gives the showing koi keepers time to settle and condition their fish as well as enjoy time with them after coming out of the winter stagnation and all the issues spring normally brings. I appreciate that these shows need foot fall but they are nothing without healthy fish and happy keepers. September October are not normally horrendous weather wise so wouldn’t think there’d be much, if any effect on footfall. Isn’t koi keeping a hobby concerning living things where the welfare is of prime importance. Or is it just selling fish. The BKKS was originally set up to primarily be a society for the hobbyists not the dealers. If it’s about the dealers then have a separate market for them. The wake up still stands in my book. Thanks for your response anyway.
Chlorine in the pond!? 😳 it shouldn't register in the pond should it bud. I've got sodium Thiosulphate going in on a doser aswell as RO 😅 get on the RO boyo! You'll notice a difference in the skin
RO is not needed in my water I think! Got really good water down here just the carbon was gone! And to tell you the truth don’t really trust them Hannah!!!
@@leehadfield6881 have you had a breakdown of what's in the water from the water authorities. Where I am the water is garbage. Got all sorts of heavy nasty metals tds of 680ish out the tap. Mr Finchy the ledge said these authorities up the chemicals when they want to flush the lines out. Before I was on RO the fish used to slime up at intervals and I couldn't find a thing on them. I put it down to increased level temporarily getting through the big blue. They would slime up but that would take a couple of days to do but I'd test the water out the big blue and it would of returned back to normal.
Stunning Lee mate got to enjoy the fruits of your labour. My pond has only been running for a 18montjs had my first fluke issue this year and that is the stuff my koi dealer supplied pp then double dose and they haven’t been back since. (Touch wood) 🪵 😂 ps that tancho is amazing 👍
The amount of PP dips, PP treatments, fluke treatments etc that you chuck in your pond every 5 mins, no wonder the koi are cheesed off! Let the pond/ koi adapt to a new eco system!!
Totally understand, but can’t leave the koi with parasites! The trip to the national koi show with the temp fluctuations gave them white spot! You have to treat them!
@@leehadfield6881 You said you scrapped them and they were clean?
He’s right, ask yer mates in Japan how much chemicals their fish see in the mud ponds.
Love it another great upload Lee your koi are growing smashingly in my pond Mate.👍😜💪
Thanks 👍buddy
Cheers Lee, what a lovely end to the video! Hope you get on top of the white spot problem. Look forward to the next update. 👍
Thanks mate! Yes all good now and fish are perfect
thanks lee, I popped into PA today and signed up to the event. Team Lee!
Class see you there!!!!!!
Thanks Lee. Yes Wenvoe event - Wales Sunday 23rd. 🎉🎉🎉
Was it good chip?
@@leehadfield6881 editing video of event, funday out koi nerding
Heard really good things about the Cloverleaf treatments, hope it does the job for you👍
Ya works ok I think!
Ayup fella... hope you get sorted soon.... no doubt you will smash it 💪🏻 I think a lot of people are having issues in general at the minute 😢 take care fella
Ya all good now mate! Ya it’s a hard time for koi health 🍀
@leehadfield6881 mine are improving at last. Just my sanke looks awful... gonna be worse looking through a window... need to get her out and treat again this weekend. Hope Lady Hadfield and Wolf are keeping well fella... looking forward to the Tosai mountain climb 💪🏻
Good one Lee, hope it works mate I follow with interest, the hotel looks amazing 🚀🚀👍👍
🫶🏻
Lea……
You could fit a hammock where you like a glass of wine!! Stand on the drum and then get in the hammock and bask in your pond build glory 🥂 x
Omg I could 😊
im sure that stuff will work, expensive but ive heard really god things about it. kraftys fish look spot on for the event this weekend
Ya has worked ok!!!!!
You can also use Duncan Griffith ICC with 0.6% salt, which is specific for whitespot, ie Ich, Costa, Chilo
Woo thank you 🙏
Hi Lee it's a product I have used for a while now and is absolutely amazing for white and flukes buddy. But if I'm treating for both I will double dose with pp for the flukes at 3g per 1000ltr and it clears most the flukes and slim coat then it the white spot straight after with the parasite plus and it works a treat mate. Good luck 👍🏼
Great! That’s kinda what I done! It’s all good now though koi are doing fine!
@@leehadfield6881 No problem pal 👌 👍🏼 glad to hear koi are all good now mate. 👍🏼
3G per 1000l,how long for ie hours?then use this next day or a few days later?did you redose?all info appreciated
Hi Lee I what a lot if not all your videos/ I think there brill and full of information,many thanks , I was thinking about your trouble with parasites, and thought would ever think about ozone , please research this and give us a video on your opinion, many thanks Paul from Liverpool
Hi Paul, ozone is something iv not really thought about because my waters so good in wales! But you never know!!!!!
Nice upload Lee, Thank you.Have you ever used the Bactoplus Filter start up Gel?
Yes mate it’s really good!!!!
Thank you
Hey up squire
If you continue to see the koi not quite right yet cant find any parasites try some pond detox. Thats worked for me.
Also the split fins in your pond are probably down to stocking levels pal. When competing for the food they bash against one another. To combat this reduce stocking and feed a 50/50 mix of floating and sinking food.
Hi/Have you ever tried Bactoplus Filter start Gel? Thank you.
@@shaunleonard8146 personally i think they are all a waste of time. If your parameters are out then you need to look at your filtration setup. If its a new pond just do water changes. Simples
Ya I’m sure it’s just feed time they are animals every 2 hours in that pond 😝
@@madaboutkoi Thank you
Lee. I can highly recommend you contact Shaun Slevin for advice re fish health and Syd Mitchell for water issues. Both top of their game and truly genuinely want to help.
Thank you Suzy I will if I get anymore issues 🙏
Have you checked the chlorine after changing the carbon in the big blue?
Seen a thread about this a while ago and apparently you are not supposed to to fill them right up. The person who created said thread had done this and it was letting chlorine though. After speaking to the person he bought the refill off he was given instructions how to do it properly and it solved the chlorine issue.
Not saying you do or you dont have chlorine issues, but its always worth checking rather than chucking random chemicals in for something you cant find.
Ya mate just the carbon in there are well used!!!!! Been in there 6 months so time for a new batch!!!!!!
Hi Lee, did the clover leaf product? Work has just put some in mine let me know thanks.
Quick question is that the 1kg pack as that treats 5.5k gallons twice? If so and you’ve used the whole pack, that's actually 6k gallons over not 500gallon😬. Hopefully thats not the case, I'd double check mate.
Ya dubbed it up! It’s worked a treat!
Hum white spot? Did you find it, or were you just suspecting it. The reason I say this is my fish have been a bit off? But so has the weather. They have not been feeding as they were before the stormy weather. They have been keeping to the middle of the pond. I do not have heating so fish have dropped from about 20 to 17.5. Fish seem to be ok know thu?
Like you said mate, you know your fish better than anyone else, no doubt the anti PP brigade will have something to say 😂. What a cracking view from the top of your drum 👌🏼👍🏼
Thank mate! I hope I do!!!!
What are you adding with the doser?
Bi carb
Cloverleaf is absolute crap, doesn’t work try 3 or 4 times and great video again mate
Thanks buddy!
That’s the thing isn’t it you don’t really know the best stuff until you try a few!
Saw it recommended by Quality Nishikigoi in a vid and tried it at 25% over dose, has worked a treat for me a couple of times!
Been using this for a few months ,works great
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Lee can you remind me which microscope you have 🙏 please.
The only black one on absolute koi website x
Slow your water right the way down your UV (if ypu have one) The longer the exposure the better.
This kills the free swimming stage of whitespot.
Perfect thank you 🙏
You’re absolutely right Lee. Observe from above. You could of saved time and money on the window.😊
Hahaha I could have
Salt at 0.6 will kill whitespot without any further treatment in fact it will kill eveythibg apart from fluke at that level... if you want to be sure raise it to 0.75
Ya I thought that! But just to make sure hit it hard and get out in it! Boom done xxxx
@@leehadfield6881 belt and braces fella
Lovely video Lee, like the relaxing view from the pond at the end, as pondkeepers we do so much 'work' in and around our ponds that it's nice to just chill and enjoy them. Anyway, I've read a load of the comments and thought I'd share my thoughts, for what its worth.
You said in your video that you felt temperature change was a causative factor in your fish being unwell. However, I think it's much more likely to be stress related; although I've watched a few of your videos about showing your koi and you clearly look after their wellbeing throughout the process, stress is unavoidable, and its one of the biggest triggers of ill-health in many animals including fish.
I don't keep koi, but I do keep other carp and the psychology and physiology is basically the same. I did a fair amount of reserach into studies on common carp and the effects of stress and made a video about it: th-cam.com/video/C7YLHxGNhWo/w-d-xo.html
Basically, medium to long term stress (hours and days) even at a low level, is worse for a fish than short term stress (seconds or minutes) even at a high level. Longer term stress has an identified impact on both the likelihood of a fish picking up an infection/illness and on how ill the fish would then get with a given condition.
I think that then giving PP treatments on top of 'show stress' has given the fish a double whammy in terms of reducing their ability to resist infections, PP weaknes/lessens their slime coating whcih is their first line of defence against pathogens. This isn't "anti-PP brigade" (comment below) stuff, it's just a researched side effect of the treatment and a reason to be cautious about using it, especially in conjunction with another possible factor that would lower their resistence.
White spot is an interesting one for your fish to have picked up, in my (admittedly anecdotal) experience, fish tend to pick it up when already weakened for some reason, while healthy fish tend to resist it. For instance, I used to have tench in my pond that got it twice during the time I had them, but the carp never did. Fortunately it's easier to get rid of than flukes and many of the other pathogens, again only in my limited and non-researched opinion.
Anyway, I wish you and your fish well, and hope the treatement works, I've also 'heard' good things about it, tho' not used it mysefl.
Amazing information thank you I’m going to look in to that in more depth 😍🥰
I often go upto .6% salt fingers crossed that pack treats 5500gals on 2 treatments 😂 does that treatment do flukes to
Ya I’m up to 0.6 now! Doing the koi a world off good!
@@leehadfield6881 yeah im just dropping at min about .4% tho after months of flukes ive still got flukes 🤬
What size is your niddle valve Lee?
God iv no idea 🤷♂️
Stress. It’s the number one root cause of health problems in all living things. Whether due to environmental fluctuations, moving etc. I challenge your comment that’s it nothing to do with the show. The national and other shows are ill timed. In the height of summer when this should be the time fish are left alone. When is the industry going to wake up?
Paul you are correct in the timing of shows but without the dealers stands and the footfall through the gates there is no show!! It all costs money and its heavily reliant on donations. Holding a show in winter isn't likely to be a viable option especially when the majority of koi keepers are not heated so for them it's not the right time of year for buying new koi to enjoy before winter kicks in and the pond season slows so dealers are not making enough money through sales, footfall through the gates is a massive factor and if its cold and wet most people won't bother..
So your "wake up" comment isn't justified but if you have any constructive comments then I'm sure the BKKS would be all to happy to listen.
@@Tom_Prendiville Tom, I wasn’t meaning winter but more like September or early to mid October when cooler water temperatures in the vats can be better maintained and oxygen levels are higher. That also gives the showing koi keepers time to settle and condition their fish as well as enjoy time with them after coming out of the winter stagnation and all the issues spring normally brings. I appreciate that these shows need foot fall but they are nothing without healthy fish and happy keepers. September October are not normally horrendous weather wise so wouldn’t think there’d be much, if any effect on footfall. Isn’t koi keeping a hobby concerning living things where the welfare is of prime importance. Or is it just selling fish. The BKKS was originally set up to primarily be a society for the hobbyists not the dealers. If it’s about the dealers then have a separate market for them. The wake up still stands in my book. Thanks for your response anyway.
Hi mate I have heard good things about that stuff hope it works koi mate 👍🏼👍🏼
Works ok I rbi k koi are happier
Chlorine in the pond!? 😳 it shouldn't register in the pond should it bud. I've got sodium Thiosulphate going in on a doser aswell as RO 😅 get on the RO boyo! You'll notice a difference in the skin
RO is not needed in my water I think! Got really good water down here just the carbon was gone! And to tell you the truth don’t really trust them Hannah!!!
@@leehadfield6881 have you had a breakdown of what's in the water from the water authorities. Where I am the water is garbage. Got all sorts of heavy nasty metals tds of 680ish out the tap. Mr Finchy the ledge said these authorities up the chemicals when they want to flush the lines out. Before I was on RO the fish used to slime up at intervals and I couldn't find a thing on them. I put it down to increased level temporarily getting through the big blue. They would slime up but that would take a couple of days to do but I'd test the water out the big blue and it would of returned back to normal.
Down in the Gower in a couple of weeks, I’ll check out the King Arthur 👌🏻
It’s amazing
Stunning Lee mate got to enjoy the fruits of your labour. My pond has only been running for a 18montjs had my first fluke issue this year and that is the stuff my koi dealer supplied pp then double dose and they haven’t been back since. (Touch wood) 🪵 😂 ps that tancho is amazing 👍
Ya you got to enjoy sometimes!!!!
Yes definitely was a good treatment
Would you go with a lernex pro or try this for flukes? This seems more appealing to me than lernex. Don’t really want to PP my pond first though…