This is a video response to DreamcastGuy's BULLY/Manhunt theory. While I disagree with DreamcastGuy's speculation, I don't really have anything against him. This video is purely for entertainment and discussion. Original video: th-cam.com/video/HkSGCxGPL00/w-d-xo.html
Interesting, but this contradicts the fact that James and Piggsy are being sold as action figures in Zero’s shop. So it’s most likely just an inconsistent and non canon reference like Dogmeat in Fallout 2
They look kinda similar but not the same. It would be more interesting to ask if James was the biological father of Jimmy (Not taking credit for this theory, the guy who gave me the idea was the guy below this comment.
aboodyzz Xx it could be, but on that "Leaked Bully 2 concept art" we saw a drawing on the wall of a destroyed room that had something similar to a hippie with a big belly and "Jimmy's dad" written under the drawing
That seems alot more likely than it being Jimmy. It would make sense as to why both James & Jimmy have a similar look. It would also explain where Jimmy got his rebelious attitude from.
Let's forget Jimmy has help many classmate, felt compassion for gallpway, and ran into a burning gym to save his classmates. In the end Jimmy is actually a pretty good guy
You can't call James a twisted psychopath either, just a criminal who wanted to live on. He did the things he done in Manhunt (killing basically about 500 criminals, maniacs, pedos, satanists, nazis, corrupt cops, private military, militia, etc.) because he was forced to do so. He left Journalist alive, to let the news about Starkweather's ring of snuffs spread, and stopped said production of movies (in theory) himself alone. Even tho there are still many shit going down in Carcer City, James made a lot of good things imo, even tho I agree that he is a horrible person, who did many horrible things. But hey, we are comparing a schoolboy with pumping puberty to a killer in his 30's, so yah, Jimmy le good boye.
I have a much better theory. Jimmy Hopkins is SANS. Think about it. Jimmy wears a jacket that looks extremely similar to the one Sans wears. However Jimmy’s jacket is brown, while Sans’ is blue. But wait, Jimmy’s school uniform is also blue! What’s more, Jimmy is short, shorter than most students in Bullworth. Who else is short? That’s right, Sans. Their personalities are also similar. Both characters like to tell jokes. Jimmy tells sarcastic remarks and Sans tells puns. It’s possible that after Jimmy established peace at Bullworth, he became more laid back. Speaking about that, Jimmy’s main objective is to stop bullying. He even says “I only give people what they have coming to them”. He’s a force of Karma. Remind you of someone? And if you’re not convinced yet, think about the Halloween mission. What does Jimmy dress up as? Oh, right. A SKELETON. There you have it folks. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to give the pope Undertale.
@Bignick Tha'Godfather Also if Jimmy was in fact Cash's son.... why wasn't he captured as the rest of his family was in the mission "Strapped for Cash"
@@SODAMEiSTERsorry for replying late, maybe it’s because there was no evidence of James having a child and no one knew about it and with jimmy mom being married a few times
Jimmy was only refered to as James by SOME adults even then they still refer to him as Jimmy or Hopkins. He said Jimmy beats kids with no remorse and doesn't feel anything. Dreamcastguy didn't beat the game because he would have known that Jimmy is a diamond, sure a little rough around the edges but still a diamond. Or I'm just taking some assumptions too seirously.
MaxNeu14 There is evidence of this. He doesn't want to fight Johnny Vincent. In a beta cutscene he tells Edgar they don't have to fight. He gets a bike(s) for Clint instead of fighting him.
KORN SCORN Considering Jimmy's one goal in the game was for everyone to make peace, even if he had to use a little force to stop some major assholes, I highly doubt violence makes him feel nothing. Hell, given his taunting and enjoyment he gets out of dominating people in power, I'd say he enjoys doing what he does, at least when he thinks the person on the receiving end really deserves it.
M Bouzi This too. I dunno what DCG was told, but name changes for marriage are not only optional, but they never EVER apply to anyone but the individuals getting married.
This might be unrelated to the argument itself, but Dan Houser in some interview when being asked whether Jimmy can become a GTA protagonist, said that he never saw him as "that level of degenerate". Seeing that the Manhunt protagonist is at least (if not more) as degenerate as the average GTA protagonist, I would never make such connection as presented in the original video. Overall, I agree the original argument does seem weak and similar vague connections as between those two games can be found in many other R* titles too.
@@tevinanarchy774 I'll admit Jimmy may give me mafia member vibes, but I think it would be highly out-of character for him to actually kill. Jimmy just commits pranks. Most of Rockstars other protagonists tend to commit murder. That's quite a leap.
I love how this theory only exists because both are bald and named James. Jimmy isn't even a bad kid in Bully, he's just hardened and ready to fight if you make him mad. His whole objective in Bully was to dismantle the weird clique hierarchy the school had since it was just getting kids bullied and inherently keeping kids down by forcing them against eachother. Jimmy is probably one of the more noble R* protagonists because he actually tried to help everyone out, it takes some serious reaching to try to say he would turn into a murderer on death row because he engages in some cartoon violence (the fireworks, marbles, stink bombs, etc.) to take down his foes.
Jimmy just wants respect and wants no trouble like CJ. But James is not a horrible person either. He is not a twisted psychopath. He did horrible things but he was forced to do. He also let the Journalist live to spread the news in Carcer City.
@@sadmankhan9630 I'm not saying James is a terrible man but he WAS on death row. I forget what his crime was but it's not exactly like he's all sunshine and rainbows.
@@BaneT34-mt1yvofficial reason why Cash went to death row is for killing a cop. Thats from a Rockstar dev ,from a 204 interview. It didn't make it into the game proper for whatver reason. But its all there is to go on, from the original writers. Seeing as its strongly suggested Cash was a mafia enforcer/ hitman previous to M.H 1. I'd say Cash's employers got him to whack a Carcer city cop working with Shaffer's dirty cops ( trying to extort more "paying off the cops money". Or a legitimate cop who got to close to shutting down and exposing their operations.
The theory was completely debunked already because Cash was wanted by San Andreas Police in 1992 and he's roughly in his mid thirties during manhunt in order to have been old enough to be a potentially self-taught enforcer in a crime ring during the 90s. It also states on the Manhunt Wiki he was wanted for a decade, so unless he has face morphing, age changing powers he can't be Jimmy and Jimmy can't be him.
Ya plus ones a Teen Rated game and the other is rated M for Mature which why would they continue a story teens can play with an game for an adult? It guess against basic video game design principles! You don't make something the main audience can't see or play when the first game had rating for teens! I say this because Dreamcast Guy basically says Manhunt is a Bully Sequel -_-
@@jrena9443 Doesn't Bully take place in boarding school? It would make sense why Jimmy was sent to one since his father was wanted and the mother thought sending him there would keep him from following his fathers tracks.
@@liquidaeronraines5367 that's just a silly non serious Easter egg they had vice city tommy and lance as action figures too. Keep in mind they are in the same 3d universe hell people from vice city show up in SA like ken he even mentioned tommy
Since Rockstar always throws little easter eggs to connect their universes, I thought of him being his dad. Being a psychopath is hereditary, after all. But not all psychopaths are raised under the same environment, so some become serial killers and others become politicians.
Only about 1% of psychopaths actually become the murdering and raping type, and I've never come across a case where a psychopath committing terrible things hadn't had some god awful upbringing. Psychopath had become synonymous with "evil horrible person" etc, it's an insult in a way too, but most of them just try to live normal lives while taking more risky jobs or lifestyle.
@@TimezOfInfamy yeah because it's an insult. If you actually know the symptoms people that are psychopaths carry it's pretty obvious he isnt a psychopath.
This is like when you take a favorite character from a movie and you try to reboot it. Their personality, looks, voice, and story is completely different.
@Bignick Tha'Godfather So Jimmy grew to become mixed race? You're a special kind of stupid to believe they're the same person. The Bully timeline was never stated. You don't know what era bully was set in. The only thing Cash and Jimmy have in common is the name and the shaved head.
James Earl Cash looks a lot older than 20 - 23 years old (I'd say at least 30 - 35 years of age) but I feel like the voice of Jimmy Hopkins could mature into sounding like that of Cash. Similar accent too, the way they say their P's and T's especially. There is a wanted poster for Cash in GTA: San Andreas which takes place in 1992 though... maybe Bully takes place in the mid to late 80's instead? Say, 1986 - 1988? That would allow more time for Jimmy to become James (if he's 15 in '86 then he'd be 31 - 32 in 2003 depending on when his birthday is) and it would make the movie ties in Bully fit better too... still kind of weak evidence though.
I mean it has to take place in the 2000's a sign even has a 2000 year date. The town/academy just has vibe of it never "growing up" like how Fallout is the 50's forever. Those 2 didn't sound similar at all and Jimmy would need to start eating a lot of gravel to get a voice like that!
@@AsukaLangleyS02 fallout isn't 50s forever they progressed over time and changed things up it's just 50s is where they left off. Their fashion is different no one wears pre war clothes outside of like very specific groups of people in like rich areas. Fallout 4 has modern day clothes and weapons in it so that's just to further this.
@@stevenjones7823 Fallout 4 is trash, terrible game to try and prove your point. Obviously, nobody uses pre-war clothes as it isnt convenient. They still have cars, music, and tech.
There is actually another theory that says that James Earl Cash is actually Jimmy's real father since it's said that James abandoned his family and that he haven't seen them in a long time
Ya know, I kinda thought that too seeing as how they're both huge manipulative provocateurs and their appearance is slightly (cannot stress the word slightly enough) similar, but I don't know. Pretty shaky theory at best. I would say it should have some form of exploration, but there is a rather small amount of info available for Manhunt 2 itself. I suppose Gary could've moved to Cottonmouth and adopt an alias before undergoing training with The Project but who knows...
If memory serves Leo an assassin for the CIA/Government before becoming a guinea pig for The Project, His name could have easily been changed and then once the brainwashing started, the project eliminates all memory of "Gary Smith" and his former life and he only remembers his life as an assassin. This theory with Gary Smith is actually quite plausible because during the interview session with Leo from the Manhunt 2 promotional content, he asks for a cigarette and then says "actually? Come to think of it, I don't even know if I smoke, it's all these drugs you puppets pump me with. I don't even know Cain from Abel"
It was pretty obvious that Jimmy Hopkins was never James Earl Cash. The difference between the 2 is that Jimmy Hopkins wanted to bring down bullying and stop weak kids from getting hurt, he'll kick the shit out of anybody harassing him or other kids. James Earl Cash? He'll kill anybody for any reason. I hate it when people speculate it because there's no real evidence on it except some bullshit half-assed claim that someone made up as they went on explaining why they're the same person. Nice video as always, Sweg. LATE EDIT: I'm not fresh on the Manhunt story, but someone said that James Earl Cash wasn't killing people for any reason like I said earlier but instead Starkweather was pushing him into killing the people James Earl faced. The aforementioned statement is in the replies of this comment, thanks to them for correcting me a bit on Manhunt's story. :)
RiPSHiT-TearYourAss James doesnt kill people because he dont have any good reasons. He is *DEAD* for the rest of the world, so Starkweather uses him for snuff-movies (kill this MoFo, choke that shthole, beat him,...). After he orders Innocentz to kill his family members, it becomes *PERSONAL* to kill everybody. Most of the Hunters are maniacs, addicts, rapists, killers, etc. I would kill anybody if i need to survive (if they are Aholes, of course).
@loliquatsch i would go on a rampage to kill Starkweather from the beginning (every single Starkweather-type of person is a piece of sht; its like they give you money, and let you go, but after you exit the room, they shoot you in the back, and steal "your" money). Yeah, theory is sht.
youre so retarded that you admit you don't know the story of manhunt yet you're posting a dumbass retarded worthless opinion you have. james earl cash killed those people because they were hired by starkweather to kill cash. dumb fck
He could have just as easily said “it could be in the 80s, so I’m gonna run with that time period.” Because the claim that Jimmy could go from school hero with an egg shaped skull, to murderer for hire, with a flat-top skull, in just *5 years*, is a VERY hard thing to believe.
Here’s something that I think needs to have a discussion about in Bully. Who is Jimmy’s ACTUAL biological father? The very first scene in the game where Jimmy’s parents are about drop Jimmy off at Bullworth. His mom refers to Jimmy’s current father as his “stepfather”. So that means the father he has now is not technically his biological father. So, who is Jimmy’s true father and what could’ve happened to him?
okay here's my problem's with his final wrap up, its contingent on 2 contradictory statements as one: in the end Jimmy is accepted at Bullworth meaning there would be no reason for his mom to take him in the first place, two: if Jimmy is not happy with his family, and if Jimmy left them (which if he is angry with them at 18 then leaves) then why (at 23, after jail being on the run and numerous other things) would he try to save them, the only connection between the family and bully I saw was the "sister" bears a passing similarity to Zoe but that's about it so if he is trying to save them, its not all of them its only really Zoe as he never had bad terms with her (in fact she seems to be the canonical girlfriend at the end of the game)
Rockstar basically answered this question when asked if Jimmy could be a GTA protag. They said "Jimmy is just a troubled kid, he's not going to end up a bad person like any of them"
I'm more on point with the theory that Cash is the father of Jimmy Hopkins rather than actually being Jimmy. Not just for the fact that he was referenced in San Andreas with J.E.C & Sons but it suggests that he had a wife and sons at some point, one of them potentially being Jimmy. Gary starts a false rumor directed at Jimmy saying the hobo behind the school bus is Jimmy's father. Jimmy takes offense to this for vague reasons. Jimmy cares for his mother, but may not even know who his father truly is, especially with seeing his mother deal with so many guys at such a young age. It'd be pretty breathaking if Cash was revealed to be his biological father.
Just looking at the picture of Jimmy and James, I could easily tell they're completely different people. The only thing similar is they're bald and have a pretty muscular/thicker build
just because your mom remarries doesn't mean your name automatically changes.. in fact, officially changing a name outside of marriage is actually kind of a hassle, so it's usually when there's a good stepdad who basically raises someone from a little kid and the kid WANTS to be officially adopted/renamed.. i can honestly say i have NEVER in my life heard of a FIFTEEN year old who HATES their stepdad EVER taking their name. that's just not how it works.
It would be awesome if in bully 2 the main character was Romans child from GTA 4. Even more so if it was a female and her name was Kate and you occasionally received calls or emails from "uncle Niko"
Shoop dae Woop The manhunt games was a brutal video game in which you kill your enemies by various weapons like a plastic bag to a shotgun (guns in the game suck) but you can only execute by stealth but what makes manhunt special is just how violent and grim it is but fun as hell
James Earl cash is Jimmy Hopkins. i have proof and I'm convinced that they are the same person. Here's how it goes: in the intro, in bully, if you listen closely, when Jimmy starts misbehaving, his step father calls him by his real name: "James." Go see for yourself. The second clue is from Gary again in bully, Gary tells Jimmy that with the kind of attitude he has at bullsworth, he's headed straight for prison. It's in one of the very first missions. I've been replaying the game lately and another clue that leads me to believe this is that it was never specified what town bullsworth academy is in. i assume carcer city because of how similar it is to Carcer and how rundown and shady it is. Now another clue is again at the beginning when Russ and the bullies pick on him Jimmy says: the whole world wants him dead including his parents. Implying that he's not close to his family at all. Now let's switch over to the clues in manhunt. Despite the uncanny resemblance between Jimmy and James, let's try to develop this whole thing even further. A very crucial clue is that in the mission "strapped for cash" (the one where they have James's family taken hostage in the abandoned zoo) starkweather states that cash was never really close to his family which was the same exact case for Jimmy. It's no coincidence in my opinion and that might explain the name change from Hopkins to James Earl cash. He was probably put in a foster home after the events of bully which probably took place somewhere in the 70's or 80's and the events of manhunt take place sometime in the early 2000's probably 2003 because the game was released that year.. (he was 15 years old in bully). The distinct line he has on his head and the same buzzcut are already enough for me to believe that they are the same person but there are even more clues. if you just take a moment to think about it it'll all make sense. A dysfunctional and troubled youth, sent to reform school, with anger problems and a history of violence.. it all makes sense now. He probably got into crime, we already saw the type of people he hung out with,(Gary) and he wasn't really no angel he actually was quite mischievous, probably got himself landed into some nasty trouble further down the road. it all adds up now. Jimmy Hopkins is without doubt, James Earl cash. Violent convicted murderer, with a history of violence, coming from a dysfunctional family. It's him guys. Edit: I've found yet another clue: Jimmy's mom and his step father Look EXACTLY identical to some of James's family members in manhunt, his mom has red hair and his step father has the same bald haircut than the guy we see in the intro in bully. It's a shame you can't post pictures in TH-cam comments otherwise I'd show you but you can look it up. Look at Jimmy's mom and step father and pay close attention to their physical appearance then watch a gameplay of strapped for cash in manhunt and you'll see.
Also James Earl Cash’s mother looks way younger in Manhunt. In Bully, Jimmy’s mother looks like shes in her 50’s. In Manhunt, James’ mother looks like she’s at most early 30’s.
This isn’t based on research that I have done but merely the fact that I played all the games, I personally think that James earl cash is Jimmy’s biological father or some sort of uncle of his, yes there are definitely SOME similarities with the two faces. Jimmy’s mom has a big nose and James earl cash doesn’t , but he could have gotten most of his dads looks and some of his moms. They never speak of his father in the game from what I can remember and that’s probably for good reason, and Jimmy most likely grew up in harsh circumstances due to his father being most likely abusive and a drug user , that’s why his mom ended up with who is now Jimmy’s stepdad. Due to his father who might be James earl cash they didn’t want him to have that last name of Cash and instead have his moms last name which is Hopkins
5:50 James Earl Cash is also just defending himself he has no choice he was thrust into the situation. Not saying that the other guy is right just saying neither one had a choice in the matter.
Here's my thoughts: I actually think there is some merit to this theory, mainly due to voice lines by Pedro with regard to Hattrick, and the hobo's age during Bully. Pedro can be heard saying that Hattrick was a "sniper in Korea" and the hobo straight up tells Jimmy he fought in the Korean war (some like to claim the "friendly fire" on the hobo's buddies was Hattrick himself, but I'll leave that for another theory). The age of both the hobo and Hattrick don't make sense for bully to take place in 2006. During the mission "Cheating Time" Hattrick has a cut line where he is called old by one of the students he sells test answers to and says "I'm not old, I'm 4 times 12 years old" meaning he is 48 at the time of bully. This would mean, for him to be 18-21 years old to serve during the Korean war, which took place from 1950-53, he would have had to be born around 1930-33. This would mean the earliest bully could take place is around the early 1980s. Moreover, the hobo looks way too young, probably in his early to mid 40s or 50s, to have fought in the Korean war and the game take place in 2006, when most Korean war vets were entering their late 70s. Give or take a few years, because Hattrick or the hobo could have lied about their age to get into the army underage, this means Bully probably takes place in the mid 80s or early 90s, which gives Jimmy plenty of time to mature and grow into James Earl Cash. As for Jimmy's voice not matching James Earl Cash's at all, I think this can be explained by bully's beta content. As many of you know, Jimmy had a different voice actor originally, which you can hear in this video by Swegta (th-cam.com/video/mk9lMLOQq-o/w-d-xo.html) - the old voice actor sounds quite a bit like a young, more tame version of Cash, they have similar inflection and deepness to their voice. Jimmy's voice was changed late because the devs fell in love with Gerry Rosenthall's voice. Personally I believe that Jimmy's character was based on Cash, at least, the devs wanted to make a young version of Cash originally, and then eventually they made Jimmy Hopkins, with his distinct voice. I also feel in general the game is a prequel to manhunt, as Bully shares manhunt's stealth AI and borrows many assets from manhunt, especially in the asylum. However, if you just can't believe that Cash is Jimmy, it would also make sense for Cash to be Jimmy's father.
5:56-6:07 But dude The guys cash kills also want him dead pretty much the same way he kills them. And in bully The people jimmy fights also intend to do a 'lose eyesight' damage to him. The thing is rockstar reuses character traits take arthur and tommy from vice city they are both so damn similar that in future some clickbait fuck might even make a video of how arthur might be his grandpa or shit. And I dont blame em who has time to think of new personality when your gameplay is top notch and the existing personality is already solid
I think it's more likely that James Earl Cash is Jimmy's biological father (since Jimmy had a stepfather in Bully. I assume JEC left his mother shortly after he was born, due to his criminal lifestyle). It would make much more sense, seeing as how they look similar, Jimmy gets into trouble (taking after his dad), JEC was on the run in the year 1992 (wanted poster in San Andreas), and the fact that his first name is James.
That's impossible, Jimmy in like high school and he said it take place in 95, and James earl cash was captured in 2000 and but wasn't on the run for about 10 year before be caught Jimmy would have been his early 20s when he got caught Jame Earl cash looks about 35-40.
I was thinking that it would be great for rockstar to make him apear in another game as a protagonist... Like... Maybe in a new gta... And make the game end with you going to jail... And then make manhunt sequel where you play him again... And now i find out that someone thought it was the same character in those 2 games?
In the nerds hideout, there's a flyer that says Larp Fest 05'. Skateboards didn't have that shape until the early to mid 90's. Yes if you play a game like Qbert it's going to say the year it was released and not the year you are in.
Dan Houser confirmed that Jimmy grows up to be well-adjusted and relatively harmless and probably not a criminal. That falls in line with Jimmy's arc of growing from a selfish, closed-off prick to a bully hunter who brings all the bastards in order and starts putting things right. What doesn't fall in line is Jimmy doing so much meth he ages thirty years in five years, his hair colour changing from red to dark brown and him becoming a remorseless, brutal, psychopathic monster.
I think to few people would actually take note of it. In GTA, you can kill innocent civilians en masse, in V you torture an obviously innocent man (though I'd say that scene was clearly not designed to be fun) and no notable number of people rally against that. Most of the people that get killed in the Manhunts deserve it, except probably the Cash family. I mean, one's enemies deserve it at the very least for killing one on sight, on top of their backstories like murdering lunatics, murdering neo-nazis, murdering gangsters, some willingly starring in a snuff-film, etc. Nevermind that Rockstar would need to put a lot of work in to get the gameplay above "get weapon, sneak behind guy, sneak longer for more brutal kill, watch 1-10 second execution, repeat", with occasional gun fights and luring thrown in. I mean: Even Postal and Hatred, literal amok-run-simulators, got relatively little attention and even less backlash.
vivisectvi as much as I would love another Manhunt, it's never gonna happen. The game was controversial as all hell even back then. But now with our new technology, increasingly soft skinned media, and the fact that they would HAVE to make it more gruesome and violent to up the ante, there's no way it would make it past the starting stages of game design.
As much I think his theory is heavily flawed, I did like and agree when he explained that Rockstar purposely made the timeline vague because "it's everyone's school." Rockstar made a masterpiece
The whole "sociopath" argument is so unbelievably stupid, since just about every player character in every action game is a fucking sociopath. By that logic, CJ, Aiden Pierce, Link, and whoever you played in inFamous: First Light are the same person.
I dunno where you got 5 years from, manhunt takes place 8 years after bully if you consider it took place in 95. The calendar in the journalists apartment in manhunt shows the game taking place November 2003
To be fair this is one of the theories that while silly, I still want to believe. Same with gary, I like to think he went on to be Leo Kaspar. Now that claim is most likely false. But it'd be cool if it was true.
So uh, old video I know, but fun fact: Starkweather is not mentioned anywhere in Bully. This is false trivia. Which makes sense seeing as the latest Bully's timeless setting would possibly be set is in 2006 (being set at time of release is usually Rockstar's thing unless they're doing a throwback), 3 years after Manhunt.
@@mightyraccoon7155 it's referenced in the level about the nazi skinheads that James is at least biracial. If I had to guess his ethnicity just by looking at him, he probably is part Asian of some kind
I've always had a theory - with no research or evidence whatsoever, too - that one of the prefects is Jimmy's older brother He's the toughest prefect on the game and looks exactly like Jimmy
Don’t know who is aware of this, but a child in a family with step-parents and siblings don’t change their name unless they wish to do so. Even if Jimmy’s Mother married a guy named cash, Jimmy would still have the last name of Hopkins.
I think James is Jimmy's father instead since both have a good resemblance and James did have a family mentioned in the game It honestly goes much longer than this but there is definitely a good connection Watch the iceberg video about manhunt since they explain it pretty well
They look somewhat similar and have the same first name but there’s no legitimate connection between either character. They were both developed by rockstar so some similarities but being two totally different characters is completely plausible.
Jimmy is a troubled kid but he’s not evil. He may be rude but he shows empathy towards many of his classmates and he never does something really evil. James Earl Cash brutally murders people and feels no remorse. Other than their physical appearances the two characters aren’t similar in the slightest.
This is a video response to DreamcastGuy's BULLY/Manhunt theory. While I disagree with DreamcastGuy's speculation, I don't really have anything against him. This video is purely for entertainment and discussion.
Original video:
th-cam.com/video/HkSGCxGPL00/w-d-xo.html
Great video, dude. It's nice how you kinda debunk parts of this theory and how you treat it like your discussing something cool with your friends.
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SWEGTA great vid
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Dreamcast seems like a nice person. But he just comes off to me as a normie. His content feels too safe and is boring
in San Andreas you can find a James Earl Cash Wanted Poster. It implies he was on the run in 1992.
Where?
you got a photo of that?
It is on los santos, san fierro or las venturas
A Stupid Guy Las Venturas, you can find it in the police station
Interesting, but this contradicts the fact that James and Piggsy are being sold as action figures in Zero’s shop. So it’s most likely just an inconsistent and non canon reference like Dogmeat in Fallout 2
I get the feeling that if Cash didn't have a shaved head, this "theory" wouldn't exist.
They look kinda similar but not the same. It would be more interesting to ask if James was the biological father of Jimmy (Not taking credit for this theory, the guy who gave me the idea was the guy below this comment.
Isn’t jimmy another way of saying James too
@@1mmarker James is his real name jimmy is just a nickname
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If James earl cash isn’t jimmy Hopkins than WHAT IF James earl cash is jimmy’s father that could be an interesting theory.
aboodyzz Xx it could be, but on that "Leaked Bully 2 concept art" we saw a drawing on the wall of a destroyed room that had something similar to a hippie with a big belly and "Jimmy's dad" written under the drawing
Gabriel Ferraz Milet his mom was married 5 times so she maybe married James in one of her 5 marriages
That seems alot more likely than it being Jimmy. It would make sense as to why both James & Jimmy have a similar look. It would also explain where Jimmy got his rebelious attitude from.
Fair enough
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Algernon is actually young Big Smoke.
Change my mind.
how to change your mind gta sa takes place before bully...
@@bigbosssmiling7135 Damn you got it all figured out
Little Smoke
Melon Dog yes because someone who’s white becomes black with age
@KaymBro 15 there's a wiki of bully and it says it takes place in 2006 actually do some research before jumping to conclusion
Let's forget Jimmy has help many classmate, felt compassion for gallpway, and ran into a burning gym to save his classmates. In the end Jimmy is actually a pretty good guy
"All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy... Just one bad day" -The joker killing joke
You can't call James a twisted psychopath either, just a criminal who wanted to live on.
He did the things he done in Manhunt (killing basically about 500 criminals, maniacs, pedos, satanists, nazis, corrupt cops, private military, militia, etc.) because he was forced to do so.
He left Journalist alive, to let the news about Starkweather's ring of snuffs spread, and stopped said production of movies (in theory) himself alone.
Even tho there are still many shit going down in Carcer City, James made a lot of good things imo, even tho I agree that he is a horrible person, who did many horrible things.
But hey, we are comparing a schoolboy with pumping puberty to a killer in his 30's, so yah, Jimmy le good boye.
he just don't like bullying at all
@@panzerfaust8452 Skinz are white supremacists, neo nazis but not actual nazis lol
Yeah that's what I'm meant to do
Gary Smith = Eric Harris
Donald = Dylan Klebold
Feng989 Leo is not real
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Nah, Eric wouldn't ever drop his cover, even his own family had no idea how insane he really was. Still a good comparison.
But... why?
They’re both white and bald
Everyone: *thatS tHe sAmE dUde!!*
*Theory: Jimmy Hopkins is Walter White!*
Sees black guy with a white tank top running from the police in the GTA V teaser
Everyone: *iS tHaT CJ?!*
Whats funny is i always thought James Cash was black, lightskin, but black no less.
@@reyniknamyrion3557 Breaking Bully
😂
I have a much better theory. Jimmy Hopkins is SANS. Think about it. Jimmy wears a jacket that looks extremely similar to the one Sans wears. However Jimmy’s jacket is brown, while Sans’ is blue. But wait, Jimmy’s school uniform is also blue! What’s more, Jimmy is short, shorter than most students in Bullworth. Who else is short? That’s right, Sans. Their personalities are also similar. Both characters like to tell jokes. Jimmy tells sarcastic remarks and Sans tells puns. It’s possible that after Jimmy established peace at Bullworth, he became more laid back. Speaking about that, Jimmy’s main objective is to stop bullying. He even says “I only give people what they have coming to them”. He’s a force of Karma. Remind you of someone? And if you’re not convinced yet, think about the Halloween mission. What does Jimmy dress up as? Oh, right. A SKELETON.
There you have it folks. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to give the pope Undertale.
i REALLY hope you're joking
Charles The King™ Of course I am
@@LoverOfManyArts I really hope YOU'RE joking
He hee he is really s-s-s-annnnnssss
@@MutedAndReported3032 Makes sense to me.
I always thought that James Cash was Jimmy's biological father
@Bignick Tha'Godfather Also if Jimmy was in fact Cash's son.... why wasn't he captured as the rest of his family was in the mission "Strapped for Cash"
@@SODAMEiSTERsorry for replying late, maybe it’s because there was no evidence of James having a child and no one knew about it and with jimmy mom being married a few times
Jimmy was only refered to as James by SOME adults even then they still refer to him as Jimmy or Hopkins.
He said Jimmy beats kids with no remorse and doesn't feel anything.
Dreamcastguy didn't beat the game because he would have known that Jimmy is a diamond, sure a little rough around the edges but still a diamond.
Or I'm just taking some assumptions too seirously.
MaxNeu14 There is evidence of this.
He doesn't want to fight Johnny Vincent.
In a beta cutscene he tells Edgar they don't have to fight.
He gets a bike(s) for Clint instead of fighting him.
KORN SCORN
Considering Jimmy's one goal in the game was for everyone to make peace, even if he had to use a little force to stop some major assholes, I highly doubt violence makes him feel nothing.
Hell, given his taunting and enjoyment he gets out of dominating people in power, I'd say he enjoys doing what he does, at least when he thinks the person on the receiving end really deserves it.
That and, why would Jimmy change his name
M Bouzi
This too. I dunno what DCG was told, but name changes for marriage are not only optional, but they never EVER apply to anyone but the individuals getting married.
M Bouzi Exactly. If he hates his current step father why would he be fond of the new one enough to take his name?
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Juri from Bully = Niko from GTA IV
juri and nico's voice actor is the same
alaa 57 nah Juri is Russian, Niko is Serbian
Not same universe
Said the same 😂😂
Not the same. Juri is Russian & voiced by Lloyd Floyd, Niko is Serbian & voiced by Michael Hollick.
This might be unrelated to the argument itself, but Dan Houser in some interview when being asked whether Jimmy can become a GTA protagonist, said that he never saw him as "that level of degenerate". Seeing that the Manhunt protagonist is at least (if not more) as degenerate as the average GTA protagonist, I would never make such connection as presented in the original video. Overall, I agree the original argument does seem weak and similar vague connections as between those two games can be found in many other R* titles too.
It's probably his dad
Yeah they literally said Jimmy was just going through the worse time in his life, there is no way he'd grow up to be that.
I agree
Exactly
@@tevinanarchy774 I'll admit Jimmy may give me mafia member vibes, but I think it would be highly out-of character for him to actually kill. Jimmy just commits pranks. Most of Rockstars other protagonists tend to commit murder. That's quite a leap.
You know, Jimmy could potentially resemble James E. Cash in 5 years if he smoked 50 packs of cigarettes a day and went to gym every 3 hours.
Like you?
Whaaaat??
@@latrade2159 this you?
@@jkad1363 yeah?
@@jkad1363 what up?
I love how this theory only exists because both are bald and named James. Jimmy isn't even a bad kid in Bully, he's just hardened and ready to fight if you make him mad. His whole objective in Bully was to dismantle the weird clique hierarchy the school had since it was just getting kids bullied and inherently keeping kids down by forcing them against eachother.
Jimmy is probably one of the more noble R* protagonists because he actually tried to help everyone out, it takes some serious reaching to try to say he would turn into a murderer on death row because he engages in some cartoon violence (the fireworks, marbles, stink bombs, etc.) to take down his foes.
Jimmy just wants respect and wants no trouble like CJ. But James is not a horrible person either. He is not a twisted psychopath. He did horrible things but he was forced to do. He also let the Journalist live to spread the news in Carcer City.
@@sadmankhan9630 I'm not saying James is a terrible man but he WAS on death row. I forget what his crime was but it's not exactly like he's all sunshine and rainbows.
@@NicDoesDumbThingshe could be there because of some justice revenge crime
@@BaneT34-mt1yvofficial reason why Cash went to death row is for killing a cop. Thats from a Rockstar dev ,from a 204 interview. It didn't make it into the game proper for whatver reason. But its all there is to go on, from the original writers. Seeing as its strongly suggested Cash was a mafia enforcer/ hitman previous to M.H 1. I'd say Cash's employers got him to whack a Carcer city cop working with Shaffer's dirty cops ( trying to extort more "paying off the cops money". Or a legitimate cop who got to close to shutting down and exposing their operations.
Bobby from the king of the hill looks kinda like Jimmy...
Can we get theory out of this pls
Henna yes
His mom also kinda resembles a disheveled Peggy.
It’s king of the hill not the king of the hill
Dangit, my son is not a delinquent!
Damn it bobby
That boy aint right
Jimmy Hopkins is actually Swegta but older change my mind
@sREUDIAN fLIP what, are you joking or being stupid
True true
Nope
I'm saying, Swegta uses and abuses of his charm to get what he wants to takeover TH-cam, since hes Gary
Daniel Azimoh he kisses boys
The theory was completely debunked already because Cash was wanted by San Andreas Police in 1992 and he's roughly in his mid thirties during manhunt in order to have been old enough to be a potentially self-taught enforcer in a crime ring during the 90s. It also states on the Manhunt Wiki he was wanted for a decade, so unless he has face morphing, age changing powers he can't be Jimmy and Jimmy can't be him.
Ya plus ones a Teen Rated game and the other is rated M for Mature which why would they continue a story teens can play with an game for an adult? It guess against basic video game design principles! You don't make something the main audience can't see or play when the first game had rating for teens! I say this because Dreamcast Guy basically says Manhunt is a Bully Sequel -_-
@@TylerSane5 its still possible that jimmy is cash's son and even if not most rockstar games are actually connected
@@jrena9443 Doesn't Bully take place in boarding school? It would make sense why Jimmy was sent to one since his father was wanted and the mother thought sending him there would keep him from following his fathers tracks.
But they’re in a action figure tho
@@liquidaeronraines5367 that's just a silly non serious Easter egg they had vice city tommy and lance as action figures too. Keep in mind they are in the same 3d universe hell people from vice city show up in SA like ken he even mentioned tommy
Plot twist : Jimmy Hopkins is CJ's Father
Gta sa takes place before bully, you suck at theory
@@MyNameIsHeh
It was a joke bro
@@mightyraccoon7155 I was joking too haha
But if CJ dies he respawns then why CJ's dad doesn't?
@@devpashupati9168 not everyone has the superpower of respawn
I prefer the Cash is Jimmy's real father theory mentioned in the Bully Iceberg.
Omg you still play bully
Yeah I just found that on a wiki post.
jimmy is actually cochise from the warriors
after years of sun exposition and a time machine
Since Rockstar always throws little easter eggs to connect their universes, I thought of him being his dad. Being a psychopath is hereditary, after all. But not all psychopaths are raised under the same environment, so some become serial killers and others become politicians.
Only about 1% of psychopaths actually become the murdering and raping type, and I've never come across a case where a psychopath committing terrible things hadn't had some god awful upbringing. Psychopath had become synonymous with "evil horrible person" etc, it's an insult in a way too, but most of them just try to live normal lives while taking more risky jobs or lifestyle.
@@fawnieee AND Jimmy ain't a fuckin psychopath.
@@joesmith289 in the game,pete and other student call jimmy as "psycopath" at some point
@@joesmith289 many students in game call jimmy a psychopath lol
@@TimezOfInfamy yeah because it's an insult. If you actually know the symptoms people that are psychopaths carry it's pretty obvious he isnt a psychopath.
Maybe James Cash Is The Father And Jimmy Is James Junior, With His Mother's Last Name?
Possibly
Makes sense No one really wants to bring in the child of a known serial killer
Dboi2001 you do have a point there but there is one problem he looks too much like cash for anyone to not know it’s his child
That is what I was thinking
Exactly!
This is like when you take a favorite character from a movie and you try to reboot it. Their personality, looks, voice, and story is completely different.
I need bully 2
Fact
So do I
Yea honestly I like swegtas content but eventually he’ll cover everything in the game
WE need bully 2 communism
Your Jimmy's dad
Better theory "Is cash Jimmies Dad?" His mum got married like 5 times so it could be a more solid possibility
Cash doesn't seem like the marrying type
@@coltgun876 they could have had him out of wedlock ;]
@Bignick Tha'Godfather So Jimmy grew to become mixed race? You're a special kind of stupid to believe they're the same person. The Bully timeline was never stated. You don't know what era bully was set in. The only thing Cash and Jimmy have in common is the name and the shaved head.
James Earl Cash looks a lot older than 20 - 23 years old (I'd say at least 30 - 35 years of age) but I feel like the voice of Jimmy Hopkins could mature into sounding like that of Cash. Similar accent too, the way they say their P's and T's especially. There is a wanted poster for Cash in GTA: San Andreas which takes place in 1992 though... maybe Bully takes place in the mid to late 80's instead? Say, 1986 - 1988? That would allow more time for Jimmy to become James (if he's 15 in '86 then he'd be 31 - 32 in 2003 depending on when his birthday is) and it would make the movie ties in Bully fit better too... still kind of weak evidence though.
bully is set in the 2000's
I mean it has to take place in the 2000's a sign even has a 2000 year date. The town/academy just has vibe of it never "growing up" like how Fallout is the 50's forever. Those 2 didn't sound similar at all and Jimmy would need to start eating a lot of gravel to get a voice like that!
Stitches the rapper looked old as shit at the age 19
@@AsukaLangleyS02 fallout isn't 50s forever they progressed over time and changed things up it's just 50s is where they left off. Their fashion is different no one wears pre war clothes outside of like very specific groups of people in like rich areas. Fallout 4 has modern day clothes and weapons in it so that's just to further this.
@@stevenjones7823 Fallout 4 is trash, terrible game to try and prove your point. Obviously, nobody uses pre-war clothes as it isnt convenient. They still have cars, music, and tech.
Plot twist Algernon is Lester from GTA 5
There is actually another theory that says that James Earl Cash is actually Jimmy's real father since it's said that James abandoned his family and that he haven't seen them in a long time
It's also a wiki post that says so
Gary Smith = Leo Kasper
Ya know, I kinda thought that too seeing as how they're both huge manipulative provocateurs and their appearance is slightly (cannot stress the word slightly enough) similar, but I don't know.
Pretty shaky theory at best. I would say it should have some form of exploration, but there is a rather small amount of info available for Manhunt 2 itself. I suppose Gary could've moved to Cottonmouth and adopt an alias before undergoing training with The Project but who knows...
It makes more Sense than Jimmy being Cash.
If memory serves Leo an assassin for the CIA/Government before becoming a guinea pig for The Project, His name could have easily been changed and then once the brainwashing started, the project eliminates all memory of "Gary Smith" and his former life and he only remembers his life as an assassin. This theory with Gary Smith is actually quite plausible because during the interview session with Leo from the Manhunt 2 promotional content, he asks for a cigarette and then says "actually? Come to think of it, I don't even know if I smoke, it's all these drugs you puppets pump me with. I don't even know Cain from Abel"
But hey that's just a theory
a GaME tHEorY
JiMmY hOpKiNs Is SaNs.
It was pretty obvious that Jimmy Hopkins was never James Earl Cash. The difference between the 2 is that Jimmy Hopkins wanted to bring down bullying and stop weak kids from getting hurt, he'll kick the shit out of anybody harassing him or other kids.
James Earl Cash? He'll kill anybody for any reason. I hate it when people speculate it because there's no real evidence on it except some bullshit half-assed claim that someone made up as they went on explaining why they're the same person.
Nice video as always, Sweg.
LATE EDIT: I'm not fresh on the Manhunt story, but someone said that James Earl Cash wasn't killing people for any reason like I said earlier but instead Starkweather was pushing him into killing the people James Earl faced.
The aforementioned statement is in the replies of this comment, thanks to them for correcting me a bit on Manhunt's story. :)
RiPSHiT-TearYourAss James doesnt kill people because he dont have any good reasons. He is *DEAD* for the rest of the world, so Starkweather uses him for snuff-movies (kill this MoFo, choke that shthole, beat him,...). After he orders Innocentz to kill his family members, it becomes *PERSONAL* to kill everybody. Most of the Hunters are maniacs, addicts, rapists, killers, etc. I would kill anybody if i need to survive (if they are Aholes, of course).
RiPSHiT-TearYourAss he was forced to by the director
@loliquatsch i would go on a rampage to kill Starkweather from the beginning (every single Starkweather-type of person is a piece of sht; its like they give you money, and let you go, but after you exit the room, they shoot you in the back, and steal "your" money). Yeah, theory is sht.
youre so retarded that you admit you don't know the story of manhunt yet you're posting a dumbass retarded worthless opinion you have. james earl cash killed those people because they were hired by starkweather to kill cash. dumb fck
He could have just as easily said “it could be in the 80s, so I’m gonna run with that time period.”
Because the claim that Jimmy could go from school hero with an egg shaped skull, to murderer for hire, with a flat-top skull, in just *5 years*, is a VERY hard thing to believe.
I might have believed this, if he was talking about beta Jimmy.
Beta jimmy?
Beta Jimmy?
th-cam.com/video/a_0GXEWQ1vw/w-d-xo.html
This man is finally back in my recommended
You’re a really underrated channel... Keep up the great work 👍🏾 😂
FusionFire true
Here’s something that I think needs to have a discussion about in Bully.
Who is Jimmy’s ACTUAL biological father? The very first scene in the game where Jimmy’s parents are about drop Jimmy off at Bullworth. His mom refers to Jimmy’s current father as his “stepfather”. So that means the father he has now is not technically his biological father. So, who is Jimmy’s true father and what could’ve happened to him?
"They are going to scream your name boy!!!"
Ah yes, remember that time Jimmy stabbed his classmate in the eye?
Imagine if Jimmy went to silent hill.
*"were not off on a good start are we"*
okay here's my problem's with his final wrap up, its contingent on 2 contradictory statements as one: in the end Jimmy is accepted at Bullworth meaning there would be no reason for his mom to take him in the first place, two: if Jimmy is not happy with his family, and if Jimmy left them (which if he is angry with them at 18 then leaves) then why (at 23, after jail being on the run and numerous other things) would he try to save them, the only connection between the family and bully I saw was the "sister" bears a passing similarity to Zoe but that's about it so if he is trying to save them, its not all of them its only really Zoe as he never had bad terms with her (in fact she seems to be the canonical girlfriend at the end of the game)
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Rockstar basically answered this question when asked if Jimmy could be a GTA protag. They said "Jimmy is just a troubled kid, he's not going to end up a bad person like any of them"
I'm more on point with the theory that Cash is the father of Jimmy Hopkins rather than actually being Jimmy. Not just for the fact that he was referenced in San Andreas with J.E.C & Sons but it suggests that he had a wife and sons at some point, one of them potentially being Jimmy. Gary starts a false rumor directed at Jimmy saying the hobo behind the school bus is Jimmy's father. Jimmy takes offense to this for vague reasons. Jimmy cares for his mother, but may not even know who his father truly is, especially with seeing his mother deal with so many guys at such a young age. It'd be pretty breathaking if Cash was revealed to be his biological father.
"This child needs to lose his eyes." - Dreamcastguy 2015
5:40
I feel like cash is really his dead beat dad
There's a wiki post that says he is
Their voices are totally different... I don’t know what the hell Dreamcastguy’s talking about.
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4:36 actually it began in the endless summer of 95
Just looking at the picture of Jimmy and James, I could easily tell they're completely different people. The only thing similar is they're bald and have a pretty muscular/thicker build
Well I thought Jimmy Hopkins grown up to become Franklin Clinton...
I guess I'm wrong.
just because your mom remarries doesn't mean your name automatically changes.. in fact, officially changing a name outside of marriage is actually kind of a hassle, so it's usually when there's a good stepdad who basically raises someone from a little kid and the kid WANTS to be officially adopted/renamed.. i can honestly say i have NEVER in my life heard of a FIFTEEN year old who HATES their stepdad EVER taking their name. that's just not how it works.
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It would be awesome if in bully 2 the main character was Romans child from GTA 4. Even more so if it was a female and her name was Kate and you occasionally received calls or emails from "uncle Niko"
I feel like I’m gonna be the only person in the comments that doesn’t know what manhunt is. Enlighten me about this game.
Shoop dae Woop a very brutal game that is banned in a lot of countrys and for some reason manhunt 2 is on the psp
Rockstar game where a guy kills people brutally, it was banned in some areas due to its gore. That's really as much as I know
Darkability yep prety acurate and i played both games
Shoop dae Woop LOTSA MURDER AND FUN
Shoop dae Woop The manhunt games was a brutal video game in which you kill your enemies by various weapons like a plastic bag to a shotgun (guns in the game suck) but you can only execute by stealth but what makes manhunt special is just how violent and grim it is but fun as hell
Im pretty sure everyone knows that bully takes place in 2006 when it was made like tons of games do,even rockstar said this.
James Earl cash is Jimmy Hopkins. i have proof and I'm convinced that they are the same person. Here's how it goes: in the intro, in bully, if you listen closely, when Jimmy starts misbehaving, his step father calls him by his real name: "James." Go see for yourself. The second clue is from Gary again in bully, Gary tells Jimmy that with the kind of attitude he has at bullsworth, he's headed straight for prison. It's in one of the very first missions. I've been replaying the game lately and another clue that leads me to believe this is that it was never specified what town bullsworth academy is in. i assume carcer city because of how similar it is to Carcer and how rundown and shady it is. Now another clue is again at the beginning when Russ and the bullies pick on him Jimmy says: the whole world wants him dead including his parents. Implying that he's not close to his family at all. Now let's switch over to the clues in manhunt. Despite the uncanny resemblance between Jimmy and James, let's try to develop this whole thing even further. A very crucial clue is that in the mission "strapped for cash" (the one where they have James's family taken hostage in the abandoned zoo) starkweather states that cash was never really close to his family which was the same exact case for Jimmy. It's no coincidence in my opinion and that might explain the name change from Hopkins to James Earl cash. He was probably put in a foster home after the events of bully which probably took place somewhere in the 70's or 80's and the events of manhunt take place sometime in the early 2000's probably 2003 because the game was released that year.. (he was 15 years old in bully). The distinct line he has on his head and the same buzzcut are already enough for me to believe that they are the same person but there are even more clues. if you just take a moment to think about it it'll all make sense. A dysfunctional and troubled youth, sent to reform school, with anger problems and a history of violence.. it all makes sense now. He probably got into crime, we already saw the type of people he hung out with,(Gary) and he wasn't really no angel he actually was quite mischievous, probably got himself landed into some nasty trouble further down the road. it all adds up now. Jimmy Hopkins is without doubt, James Earl cash. Violent convicted murderer, with a history of violence, coming from a dysfunctional family. It's him guys.
Edit: I've found yet another clue: Jimmy's mom and his step father Look EXACTLY identical to some of James's family members in manhunt, his mom has red hair and his step father has the same bald haircut than the guy we see in the intro in bully. It's a shame you can't post pictures in TH-cam comments otherwise I'd show you but you can look it up. Look at Jimmy's mom and step father and pay close attention to their physical appearance then watch a gameplay of strapped for cash in manhunt and you'll see.
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yeah, no
shahin malekizadeh this is actually a good few points wow
Bullworth Academy is in Bullworth my guy.
Also James Earl Cash’s mother looks way younger in Manhunt. In Bully, Jimmy’s mother looks like shes in her 50’s. In Manhunt, James’ mother looks like she’s at most early 30’s.
My man just had a theory
Great video as always Sweg
I could buy it that Jimmy could eventually become like James from manhunt, but like you said he's not the man himself.
This isn’t based on research that I have done but merely the fact that I played all the games, I personally think that James earl cash is Jimmy’s biological father or some sort of uncle of his, yes there are definitely SOME similarities with the two faces. Jimmy’s mom has a big nose and James earl cash doesn’t , but he could have gotten most of his dads looks and some of his moms. They never speak of his father in the game from what I can remember and that’s probably for good reason, and Jimmy most likely grew up in harsh circumstances due to his father being most likely abusive and a drug user , that’s why his mom ended up with who is now Jimmy’s stepdad. Due to his father who might be James earl cash they didn’t want him to have that last name of Cash and instead have his moms last name which is Hopkins
another reason is that in manhunt people say the james is 39, so how would he be 23 in 2003 if james earl cash was born 1964.
5:50 James Earl Cash is also just defending himself he has no choice he was thrust into the situation. Not saying that the other guy is right just saying neither one had a choice in the matter.
But that’s not the point he was making. He was claiming how they go about Defending themselves is one in the same, which it isn’t.
Jimmy is franklin from gta 5
MrBagelMan no
He got a wig and became Michael desanta
Jimmy is white
colorblind
No Jimmy is John marston from red dead, he just went back in time
Are you guys stupid? He is Amanda from GTA 5
All this time i thought Jimmy was Gay Tony
Here's my thoughts: I actually think there is some merit to this theory, mainly due to voice lines by Pedro with regard to Hattrick, and the hobo's age during Bully. Pedro can be heard saying that Hattrick was a "sniper in Korea" and the hobo straight up tells Jimmy he fought in the Korean war (some like to claim the "friendly fire" on the hobo's buddies was Hattrick himself, but I'll leave that for another theory). The age of both the hobo and Hattrick don't make sense for bully to take place in 2006. During the mission "Cheating Time" Hattrick has a cut line where he is called old by one of the students he sells test answers to and says "I'm not old, I'm 4 times 12 years old" meaning he is 48 at the time of bully. This would mean, for him to be 18-21 years old to serve during the Korean war, which took place from 1950-53, he would have had to be born around 1930-33. This would mean the earliest bully could take place is around the early 1980s. Moreover, the hobo looks way too young, probably in his early to mid 40s or 50s, to have fought in the Korean war and the game take place in 2006, when most Korean war vets were entering their late 70s. Give or take a few years, because Hattrick or the hobo could have lied about their age to get into the army underage, this means Bully probably takes place in the mid 80s or early 90s, which gives Jimmy plenty of time to mature and grow into James Earl Cash. As for Jimmy's voice not matching James Earl Cash's at all, I think this can be explained by bully's beta content. As many of you know, Jimmy had a different voice actor originally, which you can hear in this video by Swegta (th-cam.com/video/mk9lMLOQq-o/w-d-xo.html) - the old voice actor sounds quite a bit like a young, more tame version of Cash, they have similar inflection and deepness to their voice. Jimmy's voice was changed late because the devs fell in love with Gerry Rosenthall's voice. Personally I believe that Jimmy's character was based on Cash, at least, the devs wanted to make a young version of Cash originally, and then eventually they made Jimmy Hopkins, with his distinct voice. I also feel in general the game is a prequel to manhunt, as Bully shares manhunt's stealth AI and borrows many assets from manhunt, especially in the asylum. However, if you just can't believe that Cash is Jimmy, it would also make sense for Cash to be Jimmy's father.
Did u know Ricky is young Claude, which means bully is in the 80s but mr Galloway did not teach him properly so he forgot how to speak
lol
5:56-6:07 But dude The guys cash kills also want him dead pretty much the same way he kills them. And in bully The people jimmy fights also intend to do a 'lose eyesight' damage to him.
The thing is rockstar reuses character traits take arthur and tommy from vice city they are both so damn similar that in future some clickbait fuck might even make a video of how arthur might be his grandpa or shit. And I dont blame em who has time to think of new personality when your gameplay is top notch and the existing personality is already solid
5:00 you forgot the freckles and reddish-brownish hair
I thought james earl cash was a mute like claude from gta 3
Nope
i thought that too
During my play through I didn’t hear him speak at all so I was confused
Cash is probably Jimmy's father cause his name is james and when jimmy found gary gary said "james, ive been waiting" thats my theory
I think it's more likely that James Earl Cash is Jimmy's biological father (since Jimmy had a stepfather in Bully. I assume JEC left his mother shortly after he was born, due to his criminal lifestyle). It would make much more sense, seeing as how they look similar, Jimmy gets into trouble (taking after his dad), JEC was on the run in the year 1992 (wanted poster in San Andreas), and the fact that his first name is James.
I mean, it IS a Wikipedia article. I just don't know if it's true, or good to trust, that's all.
That's impossible, Jimmy in like high school and he said it take place in 95, and James earl cash was captured in 2000 and but wasn't on the run for about 10 year before be caught Jimmy would have been his early 20s when he got caught Jame Earl cash looks about 35-40.
I was thinking that it would be great for rockstar to make him apear in another game as a protagonist... Like... Maybe in a new gta... And make the game end with you going to jail... And then make manhunt sequel where you play him again... And now i find out that someone thought it was the same character in those 2 games?
In the nerds hideout, there's a flyer that says Larp Fest 05'. Skateboards didn't have that shape until the early to mid 90's. Yes if you play a game like Qbert it's going to say the year it was released and not the year you are in.
I'm going out on a limb here but could it be possible James earl cash is Jimmy's father is there a theory about it
Matthew Mcartor same
He could possibly be one of Jimmy's mom's ex husbands
Dan Houser confirmed that Jimmy grows up to be well-adjusted and relatively harmless and probably not a criminal. That falls in line with Jimmy's arc of growing from a selfish, closed-off prick to a bully hunter who brings all the bastards in order and starts putting things right. What doesn't fall in line is Jimmy doing so much meth he ages thirty years in five years, his hair colour changing from red to dark brown and him becoming a remorseless, brutal, psychopathic monster.
We need Manhunt 3, I'd be there the day it comes out too loathe in the tears of SJWS and leftists.
You mean consevatives and sjws.
Im a leftist and hate them both, here in germany they censor many games so i buy it from uk
I think to few people would actually take note of it. In GTA, you can kill innocent civilians en masse, in V you torture an obviously innocent man (though I'd say that scene was clearly not designed to be fun) and no notable number of people rally against that. Most of the people that get killed in the Manhunts deserve it, except probably the Cash family. I mean, one's enemies deserve it at the very least for killing one on sight, on top of their backstories like murdering lunatics, murdering neo-nazis, murdering gangsters, some willingly starring in a snuff-film, etc.
Nevermind that Rockstar would need to put a lot of work in to get the gameplay above "get weapon, sneak behind guy, sneak longer for more brutal kill, watch 1-10 second execution, repeat", with occasional gun fights and luring thrown in.
I mean: Even Postal and Hatred, literal amok-run-simulators, got relatively little attention and even less backlash.
Your heads really far up your own ass
The only way it's getting done is if a group of fans with enough time and money decided to make a fan-made Manhunt game.
vivisectvi as much as I would love another Manhunt, it's never gonna happen. The game was controversial as all hell even back then. But now with our new technology, increasingly soft skinned media, and the fact that they would HAVE to make it more gruesome and violent to up the ante, there's no way it would make it past the starting stages of game design.
I used to pretend James earl cash was Claude from gta3 after the police catch him.
4:17 , 6:13 , 7:22 , 8:00
Yes❗️ I've been waiting for this vid...btw who else agrees that they're not the same person😅
Dreamcast Guy put 2 and 2 together and got 8.
As much I think his theory is heavily flawed, I did like and agree when he explained that Rockstar purposely made the timeline vague because "it's everyone's school." Rockstar made a masterpiece
Hearing that sweet ending theme from Manhunt in the beginning was pure nostalgia.
Isn't James like half Asian or something as well? which Jimmy obviously is not lol
He’s something
The whole "sociopath" argument is so unbelievably stupid, since just about every player character in every action game is a fucking sociopath. By that logic, CJ, Aiden Pierce, Link, and whoever you played in inFamous: First Light are the same person.
This dude was like:
Bald ✓
Angry✓
Figthers✓
Ok, *they're the same people*
Lol good one xD for real! I actually laughed out
I dunno where you got 5 years from, manhunt takes place 8 years after bully if you consider it took place in 95. The calendar in the journalists apartment in manhunt shows the game taking place November 2003
To be fair this is one of the theories that while silly, I still want to believe. Same with gary, I like to think he went on to be Leo Kaspar. Now that claim is most likely false. But it'd be cool if it was true.
just one thing: *Jimmy has a ring or a piercing in his left ear, and Cash has nothing in there*
Jimmy=Danny=Zero
Gary=Leo=Berkley
So uh, old video I know, but fun fact:
Starkweather is not mentioned anywhere in Bully. This is false trivia. Which makes sense seeing as the latest Bully's timeless setting would possibly be set is in 2006 (being set at time of release is usually Rockstar's thing unless they're doing a throwback), 3 years after Manhunt.
Yea, this theory is trash. Funny that someone would put the effort to justify it.
4:20 is that a Mumkey reference!!
jimmy's also not Asian lol
He’s Asian?
@@mightyraccoon7155 it's referenced in the level about the nazi skinheads that James is at least biracial. If I had to guess his ethnicity just by looking at him, he probably is part Asian of some kind
I've always had a theory - with no research or evidence whatsoever, too - that one of the prefects is Jimmy's older brother
He's the toughest prefect on the game and looks exactly like Jimmy
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Don’t know who is aware of this, but a child in a family with step-parents and siblings don’t change their name unless they wish to do so. Even if Jimmy’s Mother married a guy named cash, Jimmy would still have the last name of Hopkins.
Phil Anselmo = James Earl Cash
True
I think James is Jimmy's father instead since both have a good resemblance and James did have a family mentioned in the game
It honestly goes much longer than this but there is definitely a good connection
Watch the iceberg video about manhunt since they explain it pretty well
It's a Wikipedia post that says so. I just don't know if it's true.
I just see it as a alternate universe type of thing
It's in the same unviverse seriously
They look somewhat similar and have the same first name but there’s no legitimate connection between either character. They were both developed by rockstar so some similarities but being two totally different characters is completely plausible.
Jimmy is a troubled kid but he’s not evil. He may be rude but he shows empathy towards many of his classmates and he never does something really evil. James Earl Cash brutally murders people and feels no remorse. Other than their physical appearances the two characters aren’t similar in the slightest.
jimmy hopkins appears in saints row 1 as the rollers wearing a blue cap its the same guy and then he gets killed by a vice king gang member