VCG will do some TTR on them too and actually put it up against the fair competition. Either way not a good look for flex to enter the market this way, I would rather an honest test and them lose barely, rather than to force their tools to win under non consistent variables, even when they did a fair test with the sawzalls, of course they didn't go up against the super Sawzall. Between all the honest channels out there, they will get down to the bottom line of what type of quality and durability flex is working with.
I've watched their entire stream live, it was basically a glorified ad in my opinion. They had a LOT of hype and attention, they blew it with this ad. Most people on the stream i watched seemed to share my opinion. I still think they have a lot to offer but they shot themselves in the foot.
I watched it too. Idk what demographic flex is really going after. Most tradesmen I work with and know trust one or two brands of cordless tools. I’m not sure that this ad really helped them especially when your experiment already has bias.
@@levibruce8322 They are going for the Milwaukee guys for sure. They think Milwaukee users just want the most power, but it's really about durability, the diverse platform and a universal charger for both line of tools. I'd have gotten it too but my fingers land right in the screw holes on the handles as a lefty haha. Oh plus the fuel impact lets go of bits..
Wouldn't buy that crap anyway. Got a pile of dewalt gear. Battery platforms are hard to switch over regardless. And I use my dewalt hammer drill with a 60v flex every day drill wall ties 50 feet inna air and it never gives me trouble.
What do you mean? The biggest Milwuakee nut hugger on youtube proved Flex was faster... they just dont have the amount of tools Milwuakee has or history. th-cam.com/video/knKvyit2hF0/w-d-xo.html
I mean this dude seems to be getting a Milwaukee pay out (could be wrong). Honestly since I don’t have a platform yet I’m getting flex for the founders warranty
LoL, never heard of this guy but it appears as though Ryobi completely owns him. Ryobi rebels sticker? Ryobi shirt? Ryobi banners? I will stick to my Makita and Milwaukee that I have used in a professional capacity for years and years. Not going to lie though I did buy that Ryobi power scrubber for cleaning my tile floors. I am not even kidding, my wife was really surprised to see me bring home Ryobi. I've how to return two of them because they just quit working the 3rd one is still working but the second Makita or Milwaukee make a power scrubber I'm ditching the Ryobi. Don't get me wrong you're not going to see me buying some flex impact from an infomercial.
Also there’s another reason why they’re not throwing shade at DeWalt. Lowe’s carries DeWalt, and it’s an exclusive big box retail carrier of the power detect, and Lowe’s will carry Flex exclusively as well. So it makes more sense to go against a competitor that is exclusively sold at Home Depot.
I noticed the same thing once they brought out the second Milwaukee. Shots fired but I’m not convinced about Flex. I’d rather get the same 24v jazz with Kobalt. Ooooooh then I’d be missing out on the turrbbbboooo button. Really men don’t need a gimmicky turbo button at work.
@@ApacheLife-50 what most don't realize is the turbo button overrides the circuitry allowing it to ramp up, but that really isn't good for the tool. So the question is, can turbo mode be used all the time with no tool or battery consequences? We all know there will be users that will push that button for everything.
Excellent point I was wondering why they didn't compare Dewalt, didn't want to compete with Makita either 😆😆😆. I do like Milwaukee and Makita tools, and I like them both
@@Tyler-zw4kq I believe that warranty is longer if you buy and register the tools in 2021. However, then you watch the @phillyfixed video, he can't get the tool registered online, OR by phone!
I’m not watching this channel tomorrow. I’m going to watch it all month long. We aren’t stupid. FLEX can’t bullshit us. They have something to offer but have to earn our money fairly. Too many batteries out there that we all have like the Flexvolt that we all work with that is real world batteries. We have them, so we use them. If they can’t beat what is out already, they have a long way to go.
I will be excited to see the best FLEX has to offer, the Turbo hammer with their biggest battery, 8ah, against the biggest and baddest DeWalt hammer drill, arguably the 887, 889, with a 12ah battery. It’s not about matching up the watt hours for fairness, it’s about using the best the brands have out. I hope we see this in the near future in a head to head.
That’s why people including myself like Project Farm’s video so much. You have to exclude the human part of it to test machines/tools. Like C’mon, you can clearly see the guy using Flex tools is pushing/leaning harder to give it the edge lol
8:45 truth. Keeping them a similar temp and making multiple runs and using the median is what we do. A total pain on cordless tools, on air tools it's almost not even worth doing 3 runs each test. They usually do the same.
If it isn't makita or milwaukee I'm not touching it. As a kid I got my first drill it was a old 9 volt black and decker 20+ years old and still works but it's the drill I let the wife touch.. she touches any of my big boy toys and I'll cut her fingers off and she now's this..
@@Jihadbearzwithgunz I work at a job that supplies all the tools. That sounds great, and it kinda is, until you realize they choose the tools you use. Dewalt tools are great in some people's eyes, I hate them, and that's what they force me to use. The Milwaukee tools may not have the top end performance advantage, but I like having a single charger to charge all my tools, I like the ergonomics and I like red.
@@BigInjun05 they may not have the best high end performance, but I like the tool design, the ergonomics, the working performance and that they're red. They match what I vote for
The thing is. Real pros can tell the the whole thing was rigged and the real victims are young ppl getting into the trades deciding what brand their gonna go into.
Victims lmao. Who are you to say if the tool is good or not? There are plenty of legit videos out there showing it beating milwaukees stuff. It’s a well priced tool and until proven otherwise, can compete with the big boys. And no I don’t even own a Flex tool, but you sound like a tool with your word choice “victim” so I had to say something
honestly, by this point I think most people just tend to laugh off this type of content made by the manufacturer to glorify their own stuff - whether it's apple pretending to have innovated or flex shoving their 40000 impacts per minute in your face. If you someone falls for this cheap salesman approach it's, then the only thing they're a victim of is their own stupidity
I'm just surprised that several YT'ers have had these tools for over a week making promo vids, and 24 hours following Flex's hype train, I can't find an independent face-off anywhere.
Milwaukee does the same thing with their comparisons at their Milwaukee events every year... Paint the tools, do totally crazy tests and make outrageous claims etc DeWalt doesn't do live events anymore but when they did the tests everything was out in the open and weren't afraid to show what was what
I personally have had bad luck with Milwaukee. So I use only dewalt. But I know Milwaukee isn’t a bad company by any means. I just didn’t like the way they treated me when everything was under warranty. But I don’t think this flex shit has anything on Milwaukee or dewalt.
I have 30+ Makita battery tools. Made the choice for Makita because I can operate (impact)drills, airblowers, saws, anglegrinders and even my grassmower with one battery system. I'm not (overly) muscular nor do I have a "mean look" in my face. I just want to get things done on my small farm with one and the same platform. With minimal use of petrol. The differences between the platforms (Milwaukee, deWalt, Makita and so on) are measured in seconds, not in hours. My advice: stick to your platform and be happy.
I agree with you 100%! I watched the entire presentation and I called Bullshit almost every test. They didn't use any top line competitor models and there is no way they would've won every single competition. Nobody wins every single time. I also agree that I like the lineup, colors, options, differences, etc, but they should've been more realistic and it would've made me trust them.
I’m also suspicious. Anyone else notice how the other tool channels don’t speak about a Whiff of any suspicion of any kind. I haven’t seen them go anywhere near saying anything remotely negative. I’m guessing there some conficts of interest going on.
I have the Milwaukee platform and like what they put out and new stuff yet to be explored. Haven’t had any problems so no need for me to change anything
I’m also excited about these tools because there’s no doubt they are great and up there with the some of the best tools. They look more compact which is a big part. The batteries are a major thing I’m interested in. Thank you for pointing these things out. I had it on in the garage while I was fixing my garage door so I couldn’t pay as much attention to it as I would have liked
Reminds me of a TV ad for plastic wrap back in the late 70s, touting how theirs was much more resistant to puncture than the competition's. they illustrated this by poking a finger up through a piece of each of the wraps. If you paid attention, you'd notice that when pushing on their own wrap, the fingertip was bent back so it was the fleshy pad pushing. When pushing against the competitor's wrap, the finger was pointed more straight, causing the fingernail to touch, too, not just the soft fingertip. Unsurprisingly, a sharp fingernail is MUCH better at poking through plastic wrap than a broad, soft fingertip. Whod'a thunk?
There was some sell outs! Idk if they can be truthful anymore when it comes to a head to head because they probably got paid very well to say what they said.
Yo WTF IS THAT lolllllll. I can't believe the pettiness. Safe to say I'm never investing in a FLEX tool in my life and also I'm well invested in Milwaukee. But I was wondering about them but not anymore. I can't wait until you make a proper unbiased competition between them both. Keep up the good work.
@@Tyler-zw4kq oh the our brand vs the competition has been around for years (thanks for telling), did you even watch the video? Im talking about unfair matchups and staged and doctored tests
Umm yeah completely agree with you about the advertisement video there. I will wait to see them actually perform on your channel. If it's not here or project farm it didn't happen lol
I’ve only watched it once, but it felt like a magic show. You couldn’t see the side they were drilling into and at times the drill bit for the flex looked like it was floating or going into something real soft or nothing at all. Nothing but illusions imo.
The ad might have been bad but seeing some legit test videos from project farm that placed some flex tools near the top, not necessarily beating the big 3 every time but still very good tools at a good price point convinced me to get their 6 tool combo kit. Loving them so far
Flex tools are extremely powerful. I wasn't bashing the tools in this video. I was just bashing their promo video itself. the reality is Flex wins and Flex loses, but in this video, Flex didn't just win, it slaughtered with no contest. companies finds certain tasks that it does well on and that is the test that they use.
The dewalt 3 speed hammer drill is faster than the Milwaukee even though I am a Milwaukee tool guy.I don't use the drill to drill holes I use it for drain cleaning.
Yeah and who buys a tool strictly on speed alone? I also weigh longevity, warranty, product line, innovation of the tool line, available deals... there are already some great brands of tools out there and I’d be happy with a few of them I’m sure. And honestly I welcome one more choice. But to try and boil it down to speed is best is silly.
@@RaggedsEdge For my needs I am looking for 2000 to 3000 RPM.Most all cordless drills run at 1800 - 2000 RPM. I would like to get one at 3500 rpm but I am not looking for a cheap one.So far the dewalt is faster and has more torque than my m18 drill.I was looking at the Makita 40 volt but it's dam expensive and on paper it looks better but is it really better?
I'm glad that the gen 4 Milwaukee hammer drill was such an improvement over gen 3. Night and day difference. I totally believe the power detect hammer drill being the best, though. I have the power detect circular saw. The thing is a monster. It's tougher than a lot of corded saws I've used.
I’m sure they’re good tools to even TRY to attempt being competitive, but let’s face it we all have our favorite colors... I’m admittedly a Milwaukee fan and nothing could persuade me from leaving my invested battery platform. I’m sure it’s the same for Dewalt, Makita, Rigid, Kobalt, Festool, guys as well as all the other great tools out there
I actually bought their 6 tool kit because I saw some project farm videos that placed their tools near the top, maybe not beating the top 3 every time but still very close but at a lower price
I also thought it was dumb how the competitor was only Milwaukee it seemed. No tool company dominates every single tool category, so they definitely should've been testing against the best of the best for each tool
1. You flexed on Flex in this video. 2. 8:11, thank God I wasn't drinking anything, you literally made me laugh out loud with your comment. 3. Cannot wait to see your future tests/content!
If I was starting out in construction, or automotive I would look at what everyone is using at the job site, and what manufacture is not limited to a single retail establishment.
I also like the fact, that a linebacker size guy is using the Flex, and a field goal kicker size guy is using the Milwaukee in most of comparisons!!! 🤣🤣🤣
I have a question not related to this video. I keep seeing things that say you can get free Milwaukee bits or Dewalt bits for doing a survey. Are these offers legitimate or just scams?
You can obviously see them starting the Milwaukee drills after the flex and briefly letting go of the trigger to slow it down. All they are are glorified kobalts.
i can't decide on if i should buy this hammer drill or a milwaukee.... all i own is an old milwaukee 9.0 HD with the grey and black words......and the m18 radio battery charger...... should i switch to flex?
Thanks for the super summary with commentary. The circular saws are the real gems to look at. Especially the inline. The underwater test Dirt Monkey did was entertaining. What I really want to see is the vac.
They will perform very well until the special ones for launch and the lifetime warranty are completely gone, then the 5 year warranty ones will come out and that’s when the complete junk will be produced.
@@akaredcrossbow no idea. I am always a wait until you actually use it yourself kind of guy. I know Chervon has a very good reputation from making Ego and Kobalt, among other tools, so I am going to give them the benefit of a doubt right now. Work in the field is what will really tell the tale.
@@ToolswithSoAlz I’m just worried they will sell best of the best now like most new companies do and then 6 months to a year their quality and products go downhill. But like you said need to use it, but only time will tell.
@@akaredcrossbow I think their marketing event did one thing very well. It is making people talk about what could be instead of rehashing arguments about what is. I can't recall people being more excited about a new competitor coming in and immediately calling out the King of the Hill in such a manner. I think this will help all of the manufacturers take the next step. That ultimately benefits the rest of us. That's the hope anyway.
Honestly, these FLEX guys aren't tricking the cordless tool owners. These ads they do seem like they're for the noobs who are new to tools. I can't wait for the tool channels to get their hands on these.
Great video, Man Caver. When I watched the flex 'info mercial' I was wondering why they didn't actually tell everyone the competitor tool (manufacturer, model number, battery configuration, etc.). I knew they were hiding something, and you confirmed my suspicion. They found the best tool that Flex could beat (not necessarily the best tool on the market today). Thank you for another enjoyable, informative, video. You keep making them, I'll keep watching.
When I think about it, I feel these tests should be done by consumers or prosumers. I also want to bring out another point that their xtr hammer drill actually outperformed @ protool reviews against Dewalt’s top tier, but for some reason we have users that had different results with it. It’s really hard to get consistent results nowadays.
My favorite part of all this? All the tubers who got these tools early to show them off were all told not to give their opinion till the video👍👍👍Told me everything I needed to know.
one? actually maybe more since all of the milwaukee power tools were painted and covered over, and since these tools are brushless, and since these tests stress the motor which is now covered and painted over. would that not cause a bit of heat build up in the tool resulting in a lowered performance?
BTW: The “specs” on these Flex tools are no better,a new sometimes less than the top level DeWalt and Milwaukee tools. In the case of the hammer drill at 750 in-lbs of torque it’s the same as Ryobi!
I always thought that milwaukee was too expensive UNTIL I bought a deepcut portable bandsaw. I have 100K of tools and it is probably my favorite tool. PLUS, when there was a problem and I wrote them they PAID POSTAGE and had it back in a couple of weeks and they replaced the cord which wasn't even the problem. I will only buy Milwaukee from now on cause I am tired of the B.S.! You want to cut stuff get one of those!
The lighting is better on the Flex side, which gives the appearance that the Flex is removing more material more quickly. The competitor drill is literally shadowed by the material. As a fan of the Kobalt xtr drill and driver, I want to like Flex. But man, this rollout wasn't impressive to me.
I’ve been a makita guy for 30+ yrs. started watching all of these battle videos hoping the 40v would be untouchable before i bought the kit. Flex came out and are hot! Hot looking too lol. In all the honest vids every time there’s a heat issue. I think on a job site people will be glad they get that lifetime warranty, hopefully they wear hot mitts 😂. I went ahead and bought the 2853. And the 2719. Also a 2pack HO CP3.0’s for fun
A lot of it seemed like it was missing context so badly. I really want you, Tool Test Raw, Project Farm, and others to run Flex products versus the gold standards of the competition. Intentionally operating them differently was another thing that affected the outcomes. Don’t get me wrong, Chervon can put out a great product but the mystery “competition” wasn’t run the same.
You made a lot of really good points Dave. I myself was wondering why they didn’t put the hammer drill up against the the DEWALT. Especially for the concrete test. Everybody knows the Milwaukee doesn’t like concrete. Keep up the good work bud. 👍
My 10 years old Milwaukee with old 3ah battery loves concrete and i mean CONCRETE! I live in Poland and we have old really tough concrete building not like in US;P
Hmm, looks like they picked the gen2 brushless milwaukee hammer drill. You have the gen3. Not sure if there is a big difference, but gen2 IS older. It's funny because FLEX didn't use Milwaukee's best one.
My biggest thing is how long the tools last, also with those test we have no idea of they are using the same drill bits or grinding disc. That can make a huge difference
On the test with the impact you can clearly see how he removes his finger from the milwaukee's trigger. I can't believe they didn't edited that part, LOL.... 😂
that seems to have been the general concensus of a lot of people who were watching the VCG construction live stream. which had more than double the viewers than flex's own premiere. I agree whole heartedly, get it to project farm. lets see how many of their claims are legit (not many would be my assumption lol)
@9:10 They are keeping low pressure on the trigger of the Milwaukee tools. Even if it isn't a variable speed trigger, most tools if you keep light pressure on, the tool runs slower because the switch is not fully closed. This results in the actor (tester) accidentally or intentionally stopping the driver entirely in every run.
The dewilt would burst into flames and cause potential harm to the operator?? Or were you thinking that the yellow Ryobi would actually stand a chance 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think they made some great tools but I'd like to see you test them. I like some of the inovations and I think this will be good for us all because other companies will have to adapt. I would love to see a Flexvolt impact driver. I also want Milwaukee to make your invention
Flex had the chance to really FLEX on the competition by only offering batteries with 21700 cells. just sayin lol. Also I like how you pointed out that they switched between using the brushless Milwaukee over to the fuel version. Kind of reminds me of the Chevy commercials comparing their trucks to ford using the aluminum how they were cheesy as hell.
Why does it look like the holes are pre-drilled on the flex side you can clearly see the lag take off about 3-in faster into the hole before it starts ratcheting
@@ecoRfan yes the power detect dewalt hammer drill is the DCD998 the flexvolt advantage hammer drill is the same just pushed for the flexvolt it works with regular 20v batteries as well that is the DCD999 they are both beasts
I agree with you 100% , give a real stress test on the tools , give a straight up test on them tool per tool, if not put a 60 v max dewalt in a 60v Dewalt tool and call it a day
Honestly, I was excited to see something new on the market to compete with dewalt and Milwaukee. Competition drives creativeness. But watching them hamstring Milwaukee shows me they're afraid of Milwaukee and don't have as much faith in their tools as they would want you to believe. What a shame
@@akaredcrossbow there is a good chance that if it's not gimmicky that a lot of tool companies do look at implementing it. I'm all for growing. But the way they went about this video was shady
pretty much spot on. I watched that whole premiere on a diff channel, and everyone in the chat was asking why only using mid-grade milwaukee stuff? NO fuel tools, no DeWalt 20v Max XR line, or the power detect.... all milwaukee. and it wasn't a live video so you know DAMN well, that if their baby flex lost a faceoff that crap was edited out and the guy was told to make sure flex won. which is why I think that guy w/ the grinder was trying to hard. he probably was going to have to return the tools and any moneys flex gave him so far.... that whole thing was staged, like every other tool company does, but this was SUPER staged to the point I almost got cancer of the eyes watching it.
Thank u 4 making this vid.. about half of my tools are Gen 2 and half are Gen 3 all fuel, and I gotta say.. in my case it's divided like that as no one uses one tool all day and to be honest I have never had issues with the Gen 2s.. I've only upgraded as needed due to tools walking off site etc.. I find that most of the time peoples that search for the most "powerful" tools are usually guys that don't know how to use them to begin with. It's 90% about the operator and using the right tool for the right task.. I don't use impact wrench for task that an impact driver is designed for or viscera.. and to boot just like u said, they didn't even use all fuel tools and the operators noticeably looked like they were only trying when using the flex.. was kind of comical at time.. with that said there was some features of the flex tools that did interest me.. but not enough switch...
@@akaredcrossbow I just purchased my flex tools hopefully I'll have a video out this weekend if I get them in time run them against dewalt and milwaukee.
Don't worry guys. When Project Farm gets his hands on it we'll get a real answer.
After Ave
What will it take to get FLEX to smoke? AVE will tell us. Will the guts hold up to quality inspection? Can’t wait to find out.
I'm waiting for AvE to go apeshit on it first 🤣
VCG will do some TTR on them too and actually put it up against the fair competition. Either way not a good look for flex to enter the market this way, I would rather an honest test and them lose barely, rather than to force their tools to win under non consistent variables, even when they did a fair test with the sawzalls, of course they didn't go up against the super Sawzall. Between all the honest channels out there, they will get down to the bottom line of what type of quality and durability flex is working with.
"We're gonna test that"
Just need to wait for AvE and Project Farm to get there hands on some of these, maybe even torque test channel
Project farm and Dave test them the best in my opinion
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I haven't head of AvE. I love all of these type of channels. Thanks for the mew one
“We’ll test that!”
Project farm is always the best unbiased tester on TH-cam
I've watched their entire stream live, it was basically a glorified ad in my opinion.
They had a LOT of hype and attention, they blew it with this ad.
Most people on the stream i watched seemed to share my opinion.
I still think they have a lot to offer but they shot themselves in the foot.
Seems that way?! The main guy used to be on a tool review channel many years ago. They claimed to be all about the consumer, and Integrity!
@GFK dang, that says a lot yes.
I’m glad you made this video because that ad was garbage and you nailed it here
I watched it too. Idk what demographic flex is really going after. Most tradesmen I work with and know trust one or two brands of cordless tools. I’m not sure that this ad really helped them especially when your experiment already has bias.
@@levibruce8322 They are going for the Milwaukee guys for sure. They think Milwaukee users just want the most power, but it's really about durability, the diverse platform and a universal charger for both line of tools. I'd have gotten it too but my fingers land right in the screw holes on the handles as a lefty haha. Oh plus the fuel impact lets go of bits..
Finally a TH-camr who’s not sucking off flex for an obvious pay out
Wouldn't buy that crap anyway. Got a pile of dewalt gear. Battery platforms are hard to switch over regardless. And I use my dewalt hammer drill with a 60v flex every day drill wall ties 50 feet inna air and it never gives me trouble.
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What do you mean? The biggest Milwuakee nut hugger on youtube proved Flex was faster... they just dont have the amount of tools Milwuakee has or history. th-cam.com/video/knKvyit2hF0/w-d-xo.html
I mean this dude seems to be getting a Milwaukee pay out (could be wrong). Honestly since I don’t have a platform yet I’m getting flex for the founders warranty
LoL, never heard of this guy but it appears as though Ryobi completely owns him. Ryobi rebels sticker? Ryobi shirt? Ryobi banners? I will stick to my Makita and Milwaukee that I have used in a professional capacity for years and years.
Not going to lie though I did buy that Ryobi power scrubber for cleaning my tile floors. I am not even kidding, my wife was really surprised to see me bring home Ryobi. I've how to return two of them because they just quit working the 3rd one is still working but the second Makita or Milwaukee make a power scrubber I'm ditching the Ryobi.
Don't get me wrong you're not going to see me buying some flex impact from an infomercial.
Also there’s another reason why they’re not throwing shade at DeWalt. Lowe’s carries DeWalt, and it’s an exclusive big box retail carrier of the power detect, and Lowe’s will carry Flex exclusively as well. So it makes more sense to go against a competitor that is exclusively sold at Home Depot.
I noticed the same thing once they brought out the second Milwaukee. Shots fired but I’m not convinced about Flex. I’d rather get the same 24v jazz with Kobalt. Ooooooh then I’d be missing out on the turrbbbboooo button. Really men don’t need a gimmicky turbo button at work.
@@ApacheLife-50 what most don't realize is the turbo button overrides the circuitry allowing it to ramp up, but that really isn't good for the tool. So the question is, can turbo mode be used all the time with no tool or battery consequences? We all know there will be users that will push that button for everything.
Excellent point I was wondering why they didn't compare Dewalt, didn't want to compete with Makita either 😆😆😆. I do like Milwaukee and Makita tools, and I like them both
@@Tyler-zw4kq I believe that warranty is longer if you buy and register the tools in 2021. However, then you watch the @phillyfixed video, he can't get the tool registered online, OR by phone!
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I had a ton of respect for you before you released this, now I have even more. I agree 100% with you. Thank you for calling this what it is.
I’m not watching this channel tomorrow. I’m going to watch it all month long. We aren’t stupid. FLEX can’t bullshit us. They have something to offer but have to earn our money fairly. Too many batteries out there that we all have like the Flexvolt that we all work with that is real world batteries. We have them, so we use them. If they can’t beat what is out already, they have a long way to go.
Flexgate 2021 lol
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Go watch VCG now
I will be excited to see the best FLEX has to offer, the Turbo hammer with their biggest battery, 8ah, against the biggest and baddest DeWalt hammer drill, arguably the 887, 889, with a 12ah battery. It’s not about matching up the watt hours for fairness, it’s about using the best the brands have out. I hope we see this in the near future in a head to head.
What the heck!?! That looked like some bad late night infomercial. 😄😄
LOL!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
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i think it is lol
This is by far the best video to date to come from this release. You're calling it how it is
He exposed them bad! Lol
Love this channel. No bull!
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That’s why people including myself like Project Farm’s video so much. You have to exclude the human part of it to test machines/tools. Like C’mon, you can clearly see the guy using Flex tools is pushing/leaning harder to give it the edge lol
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I wonder how many times they went over and practiced this so all the actors got their parts right
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America is just one big Truman show ,hahaha.
8:45 truth. Keeping them a similar temp and making multiple runs and using the median is what we do. A total pain on cordless tools, on air tools it's almost not even worth doing 3 runs each test. They usually do the same.
Waiting for that Flex Impact review over here TTC. If it wins on anything it needs to be from here on renamed Big Chungus.
You are the man TTC, love your videos
Hahahaha Dave you’re savage! Love it! Call them out in their BS!
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U are 100% spot on with everything u said
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I'm a Milwaukee fanboy myself. I find their tools work best for me. Are they perfect, no. But they fit into what I do
If it isn't makita or milwaukee I'm not touching it. As a kid I got my first drill it was a old 9 volt black and decker 20+ years old and still works but it's the drill I let the wife touch.. she touches any of my big boy toys and I'll cut her fingers off and she now's this..
I dont even own milwaukee tools and I know hands down their platform is the best.
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@@Jihadbearzwithgunz I work at a job that supplies all the tools. That sounds great, and it kinda is, until you realize they choose the tools you use. Dewalt tools are great in some people's eyes, I hate them, and that's what they force me to use. The Milwaukee tools may not have the top end performance advantage, but I like having a single charger to charge all my tools, I like the ergonomics and I like red.
@@BigInjun05 they may not have the best high end performance, but I like the tool design, the ergonomics, the working performance and that they're red. They match what I vote for
The thing is. Real pros can tell the the whole thing was rigged and the real victims are young ppl getting into the trades deciding what brand their gonna go into.
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Victims lmao. Who are you to say if the tool is good or not? There are plenty of legit videos out there showing it beating milwaukees stuff. It’s a well priced tool and until proven otherwise, can compete with the big boys. And no I don’t even own a Flex tool, but you sound like a tool with your word choice “victim” so I had to say something
honestly, by this point I think most people just tend to laugh off this type of content made by the manufacturer to glorify their own stuff - whether it's apple pretending to have innovated or flex shoving their 40000 impacts per minute in your face. If you someone falls for this cheap salesman approach it's, then the only thing they're a victim of is their own stupidity
I'm just surprised that several YT'ers have had these tools for over a week making promo vids, and 24 hours following Flex's hype train, I can't find an independent face-off anywhere.
Not true. One channel managed to buy their tools early off of Lowe’s website, and the tools didn’t impress I don’t think.
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Philly fixed did a battery tear down and some other stuff
Notice how the "Compeditor" side drives Diagonal, and the flex straight in. Paid actors
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Milwaukee does the same thing with their comparisons at their Milwaukee events every year... Paint the tools, do totally crazy tests and make outrageous claims etc DeWalt doesn't do live events anymore but when they did the tests everything was out in the open and weren't afraid to show what was what
Yes! They are guilty on that account! Fusion !
But their tools been proven to be good. We’ll see how the Flex does
@@linkstale not as good as everyone makes them out to be, Milwaukee is very good at marketing
I personally have had bad luck with Milwaukee. So I use only dewalt. But I know Milwaukee isn’t a bad company by any means. I just didn’t like the way they treated me when everything was under warranty. But I don’t think this flex shit has anything on Milwaukee or dewalt.
@@FusionBoost2.0 agreed
I have 30+ Makita battery tools. Made the choice for Makita because I can operate (impact)drills, airblowers, saws, anglegrinders and even my grassmower with one battery system. I'm not (overly) muscular nor do I have a "mean look" in my face. I just want to get things done on my small farm with one and the same platform. With minimal use of petrol. The differences between the platforms (Milwaukee, deWalt, Makita and so on) are measured in seconds, not in hours. My advice: stick to your platform and be happy.
Well said!
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I agree with you 100%! I watched the entire presentation and I called Bullshit almost every test. They didn't use any top line competitor models and there is no way they would've won every single competition. Nobody wins every single time. I also agree that I like the lineup, colors, options, differences, etc, but they should've been more realistic and it would've made me trust them.
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Yeah Milwaukee high output batteries would have completely destroyed the flex and that’s why they didn’t use them
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I'm surprised they didn't name the button "Turbo Boost" and show it jumping out of the guys hands.
Turbo boost is such a bs name.
@@Maxb49 It sounds like a Chineezium thing to do.
Turbo? What about O-Zone y’all 🤸🏾♀️
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Are you going to buy any of the new makita 40 volt tools?
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I agree the Milwaukee was handicapped with no high output battery I also thought they were using a old brushed Milwaukee
Some of the motors sounded more like brushed motors.
It wasn't brushed, you can easily tell by the profile of the drill.
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I’m also suspicious. Anyone else notice how the other tool channels don’t speak about a Whiff of any suspicion of any kind. I haven’t seen them go anywhere near saying anything remotely negative. I’m guessing there some conficts of interest going on.
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I have the Milwaukee platform and like what they put out and new stuff yet to be explored. Haven’t had any problems so no need for me to change anything
Why they missing the guy that says:”But wait! There is more!!!”??
Looks like a midnight infomercial
😂😂😂😂
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When it comes out I’ll go to Lowe’s and make sure I buy a new Dewault tool instead lol.
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Check out Metabo HPT tools. My company uses DeWalt and they are trash. Had to buy some Metabo HPT tools.
I knew something didn’t smell right. I don’t ever remember my Milwaukee stuff being that slow.
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Man I just subscribed. You keep it real dude. I’m gonna spread the word. 👍
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That dude's face when he says "fastest, most powerful hammer drill on the market" just screams, "Now we all know thats a lie" lol 🤥😂😭
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I’m also excited about these tools because there’s no doubt they are great and up there with the some of the best tools. They look more compact which is a big part. The batteries are a major thing I’m interested in. Thank you for pointing these things out. I had it on in the garage while I was fixing my garage door so I couldn’t pay as much attention to it as I would have liked
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Reminds me of a TV ad for plastic wrap back in the late 70s, touting how theirs was much more resistant to puncture than the competition's. they illustrated this by poking a finger up through a piece of each of the wraps. If you paid attention, you'd notice that when pushing on their own wrap, the fingertip was bent back so it was the fleshy pad pushing. When pushing against the competitor's wrap, the finger was pointed more straight, causing the fingernail to touch, too, not just the soft fingertip. Unsurprisingly, a sharp fingernail is MUCH better at poking through plastic wrap than a broad, soft fingertip. Whod'a thunk?
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This is the only channel I'm going trust when comparing flex line to any other brands all other channels have all bin compromised.
There was some sell outs! Idk if they can be truthful anymore when it comes to a head to head because they probably got paid very well to say what they said.
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Yo WTF IS THAT lolllllll. I can't believe the pettiness. Safe to say I'm never investing in a FLEX tool in my life and also I'm well invested in Milwaukee. But I was wondering about them but not anymore. I can't wait until you make a proper unbiased competition between them both. Keep up the good work.
Stick with the main course, Milwaukee, Dewalt and Makita a side of Harbor Freight and add a little bit of Hilti for dessert.
Check please!
@@Tyler-zw4kq oh the our brand vs the competition has been around for years (thanks for telling), did you even watch the video? Im talking about unfair matchups and staged and doctored tests
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Umm yeah completely agree with you about the advertisement video there. I will wait to see them actually perform on your channel. If it's not here or project farm it didn't happen lol
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I saw a ton of the flaws in the video as well was talking to my wife we both saw the gimmick
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I’ve only watched it once, but it felt like a magic show. You couldn’t see the side they were drilling into and at times the drill bit for the flex looked like it was floating or going into something real soft or nothing at all. Nothing but illusions imo.
@@akaredcrossbow I agree
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The ad might have been bad but seeing some legit test videos from project farm that placed some flex tools near the top, not necessarily beating the big 3 every time but still very good tools at a good price point convinced me to get their 6 tool combo kit. Loving them so far
Flex tools are extremely powerful. I wasn't bashing the tools in this video. I was just bashing their promo video itself. the reality is Flex wins and Flex loses, but in this video, Flex didn't just win, it slaughtered with no contest. companies finds certain tasks that it does well on and that is the test that they use.
The dewalt 3 speed hammer drill is faster than the Milwaukee even though I am a Milwaukee tool guy.I don't use the drill to drill holes I use it for drain cleaning.
Yeah and who buys a tool strictly on speed alone? I also weigh longevity, warranty, product line, innovation of the tool line, available deals... there are already some great brands of tools out there and I’d be happy with a few of them I’m sure. And honestly I welcome one more choice. But to try and boil it down to speed is best is silly.
@@RaggedsEdge For my needs I am looking for 2000 to 3000 RPM.Most all cordless drills run at 1800 - 2000 RPM. I would like to get one at 3500 rpm but I am not looking for a cheap one.So far the dewalt is faster and has more torque than my m18 drill.I was looking at the Makita 40 volt but it's dam expensive and on paper it looks better but is it really better?
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I'm glad that the gen 4 Milwaukee hammer drill was such an improvement over gen 3. Night and day difference. I totally believe the power detect hammer drill being the best, though. I have the power detect circular saw. The thing is a monster. It's tougher than a lot of corded saws I've used.
I’m sure they’re good tools to even TRY to attempt being competitive, but let’s face it we all have our favorite colors... I’m admittedly a Milwaukee fan and nothing could persuade me from leaving my invested battery platform. I’m sure it’s the same for Dewalt, Makita, Rigid, Kobalt, Festool, guys as well as all the other great tools out there
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I actually bought their 6 tool kit because I saw some project farm videos that placed their tools near the top, maybe not beating the top 3 every time but still very close but at a lower price
I also thought it was dumb how the competitor was only Milwaukee it seemed. No tool company dominates every single tool category, so they definitely should've been testing against the best of the best for each tool
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A lower level to boot.
Can I use the Flex impact driver on car lug, bushing, ballpoint nuts and bolts ect??
1. You flexed on Flex in this video.
2. 8:11, thank God I wasn't drinking anything, you literally made me laugh out loud with your comment.
3. Cannot wait to see your future tests/content!
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If I was starting out in construction, or automotive I would look at what everyone is using at the job site, and what manufacture is not limited to a single retail establishment.
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I also like the fact, that a linebacker size guy is using the Flex, and a field goal kicker size guy is using the Milwaukee in most of comparisons!!! 🤣🤣🤣
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And leaning in ONLY when he's got the flex.
Does the flex brand of tools have a great warranty? And how reliable are these going to be in the long run?
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cant wait to see when project farm get a hold flex tools.then you will find out the truth
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I have a question not related to this video.
I keep seeing things that say you can get free Milwaukee bits or Dewalt bits for doing a survey.
Are these offers legitimate or just scams?
dont follow those or give any personal information on that. I almost was scammed today with one of those
You can obviously see them starting the Milwaukee drills after the flex and briefly letting go of the trigger to slow it down. All they are are glorified kobalts.
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i can't decide on if i should buy this hammer drill or a milwaukee.... all i own is an old milwaukee 9.0 HD with the grey and black words......and the m18 radio battery charger...... should i switch to flex?
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I like how you rant ..I missed the Flex premier guess I didn't miss much
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Thanks for the super summary with commentary. The circular saws are the real gems to look at. Especially the inline. The underwater test Dirt Monkey did was entertaining. What I really want to see is the vac.
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Some very good points. I am curious to see how they perform in the field.
They will perform very well until the special ones for launch and the lifetime warranty are completely gone, then the 5 year warranty ones will come out and that’s when the complete junk will be produced.
@@akaredcrossbow no idea. I am always a wait until you actually use it yourself kind of guy. I know Chervon has a very good reputation from making Ego and Kobalt, among other tools, so I am going to give them the benefit of a doubt right now. Work in the field is what will really tell the tale.
@@ToolswithSoAlz agree!
@@ToolswithSoAlz I’m just worried they will sell best of the best now like most new companies do and then 6 months to a year their quality and products go downhill. But like you said need to use it, but only time will tell.
@@akaredcrossbow I think their marketing event did one thing very well. It is making people talk about what could be instead of rehashing arguments about what is. I can't recall people being more excited about a new competitor coming in and immediately calling out the King of the Hill in such a manner. I think this will help all of the manufacturers take the next step. That ultimately benefits the rest of us. That's the hope anyway.
Honestly, these FLEX guys aren't tricking the cordless tool owners. These ads they do seem like they're for the noobs who are new to tools. I can't wait for the tool channels to get their hands on these.
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Me with my ryobi watching all the "pro tool" companies with thier marketing bs: ._.
LOL same here
@@iwant007 seriously though I'm sick and tired if companies having a pissing match every 3 seconds
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Me too. I don't use my tools for work, just around home, and I've never gone wrong for my purposes with Ryobi, especially with the price difference.
12:36 - depends on what cutting disk you are using. Some cheaper disks are wearing more than it is cutting metal after applying more pressure.
Makes so much sense on how you explained it good job
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Great video, Man Caver. When I watched the flex 'info mercial' I was wondering why they didn't actually tell everyone the competitor tool (manufacturer, model number, battery configuration, etc.). I knew they were hiding something, and you confirmed my suspicion. They found the best tool that Flex could beat (not necessarily the best tool on the market today). Thank you for another enjoyable, informative, video. You keep making them, I'll keep watching.
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When I think about it, I feel these tests should be done by consumers or prosumers. I also want to bring out another point that their xtr hammer drill actually outperformed @ protool reviews against Dewalt’s top tier, but for some reason we have users that had different results with it. It’s really hard to get consistent results nowadays.
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My favorite part of all this? All the tubers who got these tools early to show them off were all told not to give their opinion till the video👍👍👍Told me everything I needed to know.
It's called a press embargo, and is a standard practice across many industries, not just the tool world.
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Good point. It was commercial. Like an info- mercial. As seen on tv. Now comes the real tests.
That infomercial format they used was pure cringe.
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one?
actually maybe more
since all of the milwaukee power tools were painted and covered over, and since these tools are brushless, and since these tests stress the motor which is now covered and painted over. would that not cause a bit of heat build up in the tool resulting in a lowered performance?
BTW: The “specs” on these Flex tools are no better,a new sometimes less than the top level DeWalt and Milwaukee tools. In the case of the hammer drill at 750 in-lbs of torque it’s the same as Ryobi!
Agree, top tier Milwaukee fuel 1/2” hammer drill makes 1200 in-lbs. Totally rigged
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I always thought that milwaukee was too expensive UNTIL I bought a deepcut portable bandsaw. I have 100K of tools and it is probably my favorite tool. PLUS, when there was a problem and I wrote them they PAID POSTAGE and had it back in a couple of weeks and they replaced the cord which wasn't even the problem. I will only buy Milwaukee from now on cause I am tired of the B.S.! You want to cut stuff get one of those!
Great video! Thanks for your impressions!
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The lighting is better on the Flex side, which gives the appearance that the Flex is removing more material more quickly. The competitor drill is literally shadowed by the material. As a fan of the Kobalt xtr drill and driver, I want to like Flex. But man, this rollout wasn't impressive to me.
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This has become my favorite channel
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I’ve been a makita guy for 30+ yrs. started watching all of these battle videos hoping the 40v would be untouchable before i bought the kit. Flex came out and are hot! Hot looking too lol. In all the honest vids every time there’s a heat issue. I think on a job site people will be glad they get that lifetime warranty, hopefully they wear hot mitts 😂.
I went ahead and bought the 2853. And the 2719. Also a 2pack HO CP3.0’s for fun
A lot of it seemed like it was missing context so badly. I really want you, Tool Test Raw, Project Farm, and others to run Flex products versus the gold standards of the competition. Intentionally operating them differently was another thing that affected the outcomes. Don’t get me wrong, Chervon can put out a great product but the mystery “competition” wasn’t run the same.
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You made a lot of really good points Dave. I myself was wondering why they didn’t put the hammer drill up against the the DEWALT. Especially for the concrete test. Everybody knows the Milwaukee doesn’t like concrete. Keep up the good work bud. 👍
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My 10 years old Milwaukee with old 3ah battery loves concrete and i mean CONCRETE! I live in Poland and we have old really tough concrete building not like in US;P
I’m glad you did this
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Hmm, looks like they picked the gen2 brushless milwaukee hammer drill. You have the gen3. Not sure if there is a big difference, but gen2 IS older. It's funny because FLEX didn't use Milwaukee's best one.
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Great observations! Keeping it real!
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My biggest thing is how long the tools last, also with those test we have no idea of they are using the same drill bits or grinding disc. That can make a huge difference
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On the test with the impact you can clearly see how he removes his finger from the milwaukee's trigger. I can't believe they didn't edited that part, LOL.... 😂
I'm really glad I watched this channel. I hadn't noticed until I came here.
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After this I had to subscribe. Can’t wait to see a unbiased comparison video!
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Guess we’ll have to see when VCG Construction does some testing on them
That guy won't give you any useful information
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Will be interesting how well the Flex fares on Project Farm and Torque Test Channel
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I want flex to send project farm their tools but I know they know he will destroy them and not hold back
that seems to have been the general concensus of a lot of people who were watching the VCG construction live stream. which had more than double the viewers than flex's own premiere. I agree whole heartedly, get it to project farm. lets see how many of their claims are legit (not many would be my assumption lol)
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@9:10 They are keeping low pressure on the trigger of the Milwaukee tools. Even if it isn't a variable speed trigger, most tools if you keep light pressure on, the tool runs slower because the switch is not fully closed. This results in the actor (tester) accidentally or intentionally stopping the driver entirely in every run.
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I find is so funny how they didn't throw the dewalt 999 or 998 because the already knew what was going to happen
As of right now it’s dewalt vs flex. Milwaukee is trash
@@lmaoanatorhilarious2582 Nope. Milwaukee is fine.
The 999 is a beast!
@@lmaoanatorhilarious2582 I mean, if you want your tools to fall apart, by all means, stick with dewalt.
The dewilt would burst into flames and cause potential harm to the operator?? Or were you thinking that the yellow Ryobi would actually stand a chance 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think they made some great tools but I'd like to see you test them. I like some of the inovations and I think this will be good for us all because other companies will have to adapt. I would love to see a Flexvolt impact driver. I also want Milwaukee to make your invention
yes please, how about some non payed testing.
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Flex had the chance to really FLEX on the competition by only offering batteries with 21700 cells. just sayin lol. Also I like how you pointed out that they switched between using the brushless Milwaukee over to the fuel version. Kind of reminds me of the Chevy commercials comparing their trucks to ford using the aluminum how they were cheesy as hell.
Hard to fit enough 21700's in there to hit 24V and reach the Ah rating, agreed it was a lost opportunity to come out the gates with it though
Wouldn’t be surprised if several ex-GM people were behind this bologna. Or at the very least the advertising firms that were behind GM.
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Why does it look like the holes are pre-drilled on the flex side you can clearly see the lag take off about 3-in faster into the hole before it starts ratcheting
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I agree My dewalt power detect is a beast of a hammer drill especially on impacts per minute
The DCD998? Definitely one of the top hammer drills out there if not the best.
@@ecoRfan yes the power detect dewalt hammer drill is the DCD998 the flexvolt advantage hammer drill is the same just pushed for the flexvolt it works with regular 20v batteries as well that is the DCD999 they are both beasts
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I agree with you 100% , give a real stress test on the tools , give a straight up test on them tool per tool, if not put a 60 v max dewalt in a 60v Dewalt tool and call it a day
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Honestly, I was excited to see something new on the market to compete with dewalt and Milwaukee. Competition drives creativeness. But watching them hamstring Milwaukee shows me they're afraid of Milwaukee and don't have as much faith in their tools as they would want you to believe. What a shame
I bet you might see a lot more tool companies including anti vibration in their tools unless it’s just another gimmick that will break in no time.
@@akaredcrossbow there is a good chance that if it's not gimmicky that a lot of tool companies do look at implementing it. I'm all for growing. But the way they went about this video was shady
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Never seen an angelgrinder rotating reverse from all other. Looks unsafe?
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I will wait for your reviews on FLEX!
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pretty much spot on. I watched that whole premiere on a diff channel, and everyone in the chat was asking why only using mid-grade milwaukee stuff? NO fuel tools, no DeWalt 20v Max XR line, or the power detect.... all milwaukee. and it wasn't a live video so you know DAMN well, that if their baby flex lost a faceoff that crap was edited out and the guy was told to make sure flex won. which is why I think that guy w/ the grinder was trying to hard. he probably was going to have to return the tools and any moneys flex gave him so far.... that whole thing was staged, like every other tool company does, but this was SUPER staged to the point I almost got cancer of the eyes watching it.
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Call it as it is Bud! Getting sick of all the people getting paid big money by Chervon to promote the Kobalt 24V, Flex 24V and EGO.....
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The Dewalt power detect, the Makita xp03 hammer drill and Hilti are pretty diesel hammer drills. My Makita is a work horse
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I cannot wait to see your buying FLEX and test it Dave Nicholas way
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@@ManCaverTools i am not being flattery but rather honest. You are doing a great job, simple but quality honest guest job
Thank u 4 making this vid.. about half of my tools are Gen 2 and half are Gen 3 all fuel, and I gotta say.. in my case it's divided like that as no one uses one tool all day and to be honest I have never had issues with the Gen 2s.. I've only upgraded as needed due to tools walking off site etc.. I find that most of the time peoples that search for the most "powerful" tools are usually guys that don't know how to use them to begin with. It's 90% about the operator and using the right tool for the right task.. I don't use impact wrench for task that an impact driver is designed for or viscera.. and to boot just like u said, they didn't even use all fuel tools and the operators noticeably looked like they were only trying when using the flex.. was kind of comical at time.. with that said there was some features of the flex tools that did interest me.. but not enough switch...
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Then there are Ryobi guys over here going 😒 on day they will both be on our level 😂
That bad? Nah...
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I agree those are not real world test. It's up to us youtubers show everyone how these tools really perform. Great video man! 📹 👍👌👍
But not the ones that may have been paid to promote Flex tools. Idk if they can be trusted anymore.
@@akaredcrossbow I just purchased my flex tools hopefully I'll have a video out this weekend if I get them in time run them against dewalt and milwaukee.
@@toolhead147 I will be checking out your video.
Thank you!
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I agree with you Bro @Man Caver Tools
you were the first Comment Antonio, Good job and that one
@@ManCaverTools huh your giving me an AttaBoy because I commented First wow
@@AntonioClaudioMichael this video has the most comments than any other of my videos. people say first all the time. but this one is special bro :)
@@ManCaverTools I don't say first because that's a stupid child's game but i got ya
We consumers use the true and honest opinion of yours to purchase what we really need...thanks man for the work you do xhecking ALL the tools..🤜🙏🙏👍🙏🙏🤛
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You just got my subscription! VCG lost me along time ago but this proves why. I'm so disgusted!
Yeah, I cant stand them clowns yelling all the time....
The TH-camrs segments were fine during the original stream. Neither of them did a versus segment like Flex did
True but there are major inconsistents in the test that they do