Almost every single woman you see who is asked the “tall ugly” or “short handsome” will always choose the tall ugly man with a .5% exception. (1/200). This alone debunks the face>height argument.
It depends on how short you are. A good-looking 5'7 guy should do better than a tall and ugly guy(maybe even 5'6 at a push), but a tall ugly guy will do better than a turbo manlet with a good face. They can probably get some low-tier woman who fetishizes height
100% agree, and I would add that some women are so obsessed about height that they would accept a 6'5" man with a below average face. Those same women would never accept a 5'4" man with a 7 out of 10 face
@@heightpillyup. 100% this. You know what's crazy? Most women over 30 on tinder are taller than average height for women. All of that because most 5"4-5"6 went for those 5"10 and up guys not leaving anything for the taller.
this is such cope man. one of my best friends is like 1,60m and he has had multiple girlfriends before. hes like a 6/10. but me i cant even get a kiss.
There’s levels to these things you know. I would say that women have a minimum height requirement- a guy who is shorter than that will not be chosen even if he’s beautiful, and any inch above the minimum is a bonus. There are guys that are 5’5 that are handsome and struggle a lot with women- but if they grew to be 5’10 which is about average then they would do better with women than an average looking guy that is 6’4. Both face and height matter, and both will disqualify you if it’s bad enough. I would assume a really tall guy with a genuinely disfigured face would struggle like a 5’5 handsome guy.
@@heightpilli'm 163 cm and according what i know about favial aesthetic is like 7/10 and getting all the time compliments and severals women concired me attractive so wha happen my case?, then my face must be 8/10 to gain a lot good feedback i guess XD
The first heightpill I received was from my girlfriend's sister. She's 5'1 and a 6/10 at best. She's been single for over 10 years, many guys asked her out but she kept rejecting them. The only guy she said yes to was an ugly guy who was over 6ft tall. He pumped and dumped her a week later. She'd rather be alone for 10 years than date a short guy.
Probably been said already before but height isn’t necessary a halo unless 6’2+, it’s more so the entry requirement. You can’t be taken seriously if your short is especially 5’6 and below from what I’ve seen in my experience. Heightpill is actually so brutal and honestly not talked enough about in the BP space, so thank you for covering it. I really like your stuff.
Thank you for the nice comment THEKaari, I'm hoping to spread the word about the plight of short men around the world. Yeah I'd say that 6'2" is a minimum for the halo effect to kick in, but I'd still do anything just to be 6' even
@@heightpill I know what you mean man. Once you hit 6ft your set basically as long as you have a decent face. A rule of thumb is the shorter you are the more your face needs to be attractive to compensate. Once you’ve hit 5’6 and below though, 99% of cases, it’s a rap. I’ve heard of people literally being told to kill themselves because of their short height, genetics are well and truly everything in life.
@@heightpill Are you looking into limb lengthening? Or is it just out of your price range or something..? I'm doing it in about a year to get from 5'7.5 to around 5'11. I think I'm going to go to LimbPlastX in Nevada and do the new Precice Max weight-bearing nail. That'll be expensive and I had to sell a house to do it, but if you're looking for inexpensive options, there's a guy here on TH-cam who's currently just a few weeks into his limb lengthening journey who is posting vlogs every few days, he's doing it in India for only like $16k plus travel/food/lodging (which obviously dirt-cheap in India, but everything seems very legit and he's had no troubles so far. If you're interested, his channel is @limblengtheningjourney24
I used to think height didn’t matter, but now ive come to realise most of the bullshit I’ve endured my whole life was caused by being short indirectly and without consciously knowing that was a factor. A lot of things society say about short vs tall are myths and some are correct but what fustrates me is some dont apply to me but i still fit the narrative and can never break it. It then plays a factor in my self confidence making me realise i cant do anything about it.
It's true, men have an even distribution in their perception of attractive vs. unattractive women, whereas women mostly find only a handful of men attractive. For the short vs. handsome comparison, I'm comparing a 6'4" man with a 3 out of 10 face vs. a 5'4" man with a 7 out of 10 face
@@searchforsymmetryDude you’re more than great, the perception of attractiveness can also change in person so I can’t fully rate you but based on the pic I have seen you look pretty decent and you have potential and you would do fantastic with women. I’m wishing I could be your barefoot height with Air Force ones, I’m 5 ft 8.5
Im 6'1 with bad hair and bad lower third of my face (ugly) if I could chose to be 5'10 or 5'11 with better hair / facial aesthetics I would Its also difficult to put on muscle in arms without bulking and being skinny fat Its like a mathematical equation, height, face, hair, body, money theres always something out weighing the other
It's true that face and height have to have a good balance. At 6'1" you could afford to give up a couple of inches of height if it meant having a better face. That's because women can't tell the difference in real life between 5'11" and 6 feet
This is not fair comparison. You gave 1st guy 1 good feature (handsome) and 1 bad (short), and you gave 2nd guy 1 good feature (tall) and 1 average (normie looks). It would be fair to compare 5'5 chadlet vs 6'3 ugly 3/10 face. Just ask 6'3 Blackops2cel with 3/10 face, 6'3 FaceandLMS or 6'1 Eggy ("Take the blackpill" video on youtube from 2015) did height saved their ugly faces from inceldom?
@@alexlazarev8033 It's probably better to do the classic comparison of tall and ugly (let's say 3 out of 10) face versus short and decent (let's say 7 out of 10) face
ggs God has blessed me with looks but not on height everyone stares at me but im still insecure cause im "attractive" but im short and that alone doesnt give me enough confidence ( im 5'4 at 15yrs old) i dont think i have a chance anymore..
Don't be sad man. If you reach at least like 5'8" then you should be good with a cute face. 👍 There are plenty of short AND ugly guys out there. Take it from a 20 year old 5'9" guy with a probably 6.5/10 face. I have done just fine with women.
One of the least popular but crucial blackpill for those tall but ugly dudes (Remember 5/10 face is considered ugly for most women): Even if height gets you dates, your relationship experience tends to be very unpleasant with lots of headache, arguments, and fights. Face is literally what connect's people's soul when they look at each other, or when other times of intimacy. Face is what gives women the butterflies feelings. It's impossible to be romantic up close with a gorrilla face. So if your women having fights with you out of nowhere, most of the time you gotta understand, your face is probably under 6/10, and it's women's underlying nature, not the actual fault of anyone. So in conclusion: an average height, with chad face 1000 times > Than average face, with chad height Hence, Face > Height
Complicated argument but with valid points I'd say. Especially the part about ugly men getting bad, contentious relationships when they actually get to be in one. That's indisputable
Not at all. I'll be doing it in 2025 to go from 5'7.5 to about 5'11. It's just a surgery, and when done by a qualified competent surgeon in a first-world country it's literally a 95% success rate.
@@searchforsymmetry Same. Can't wait. And yes, if you have a qualified surgeon and put in the physio work, it's not that complicated. Gonna hurt, though, but only for a little while.
The fact is, that you can measure your height. And vast majority of women are attracted to taller men. Which doesn't mean that short men don't stand a chance. But looks is something different. Everybody has different opinion on what's nice or ugly.
It's true that height is much more objective than facial looks. However, a man with a 3 out of 10 face is pretty much universally considered ugly and will almost always be rejected by women in Western countries
There was a martial arts instructor in my town many years ago named Bobby Joe Blythe. He was 5’7 200lbs this man was highly respected and had a personal power that women craved. He certainly wasn’t typical however being short isn’t necessarily a curse, and look who they are asking, 20 something’s that don’t know jack anyway.
20somethings dont know jack? PRACTICALLY ALL women don't know jack lmao. let's remove any short guy's confidence blocker here/now. "WHAT IF".....you were with a taller woman 1 on 1 in an alleyway at night. Who will 'win'. ?!? END OF STORY. Evolution dealt YOU that. Embrace it. im not saying beat up a female lol, what I AM saying is that YOU COULD IF YOU CHOSE TO. to put the pimpin in effect to keep the hoes in check. =D im 6 foot with shoes on, screw it anyway jajaja
This is a debatable delusion issue. I've seen shorter men, but they have very good facial features as to what girls call "cute" and "hot", that have hot girlfriends. I'm 5'11" so I'm not short, but not tall either. But back in the day when I used to go out a lot, "cute" shorter guys did have the chicks.
Between being ugly and short, all I know is that in terms of treatment being ugly is just painful for many reasons if you end up getting these. 1. It's much easier to get bad treatment as an ugly guy. People can just trash your looks, calling you names, attack you and such no matter if it's in public or online and it's hard to have positive reinforcement when it's constant negative reinforcement from people who dislike your looks. It's also why guys are even afraid to show themselves online as well. 2. Bullying can happen a lot more when you are ugly. Most people who get bullied either looks ugly or have a look that people just don't like. Getting bullied by girls is worse than guys because it's expected from guys(as they are usually more up front about it and they do it much more commonly) plus it makes it difficult to attract the gender you are attracted to if they keep doing that to you. I heard reports of people get bullied at work even. 3. Cold approaching as a ugly guy is pretty much mission impossible(unless you can somehow manage). I know there are a variety of factors at play but if you are ugly doing that expect many rejections and rejections are usually harsher for an ugly guy. In certain cases she may even consider you harassing her or calling someone for help trying to get you into trouble. Certain women think they are being offended and feel ugly if a ugly guy approaches them as well. 4. Going on sites like Meet Me, Monkey and Omegle like sites as an ugly guy is so rough that I don't even recommend it in most cases. 1 of 3 things will normally happen: 1. They will see you for a few seconds and skip you. 2. They will see you for a few seconds, give looks of disgusts or laugh at you and skip you. 3. They will see your face and trash your looks giving you bad treatment for a little bit and then skip you. So basically if you're ugly it's really hard to use those sites(unless you somehow got lucky). 5. It's really, really hard to get the triple A treatment(attention, attraction, affection) from people if you're ugly. If you can't get affection it means she doesn't love you enough, if you don't pass the looks threshold or interest in many cases you can't attract her and if she gives you looks of disgusts, ignores you and treats you like you are invisible to her then you can't even get her attention. Not getting all 3 of that is rough and not even getting the first one like attention means you can't even start. 6. People who are ugly have a chance to likely commit suicide or just stop trying in life. Brutal but true and some TH-camrs killed themselves due to all the bad treatment they get because of their looks both from the public and online as well. Then they could also give up because they get treated bad due to their looks and it sucks. In short, being ugly is rough in many cases. Now they say being tall while ugly helps but that's still a sign of odd genetics and it's 50/50 on how you'll succeed so it can go either way. But being short and ugly is something that a lot of guys would complain about. Basically, you are living a much harder life being ugly unless you can somehow manage to either be lucky or still have value in other aspects of your life in order to succeed.
Hello masterlee and thank you for the thoughtful comment. I think the major takeaway here is that all classes of subhumans have their own unique struggles, and being a manlet entails challenges and humiliations that no one else can really appreciate
@@boethius1812 Everything I said does happen though. I know it sounds brutal but it's the reality that many ugly guys will face(literally). You may luck out and not experience this treatment much or at all but it's true that this is what could happen when you're ugly. And some of my friends have experienced this as well because of their looks(mainly number 1 and 3). So overall you do have to work harder as an ugly guy and your results will vary on how you can succeed(as there will be certain ugly guys that can succeed) but do note that what I said does happen to people and it sucks really. In various cases the worse you look the worse the treatment you could get(unless you can avoid that).
Dang, that's rough but you have the necessary physical tools to get some action. Friends and money have little to do with women's attraction to you. Get past the shyness and women will like your height and looks. Go out there and get some!
@@heightpill I just hate it. It's more social anxiety than only shyness. I don't go parting because I don't drink. Always waited for the right one but I'm about to turn 23… I think money and more muscle going to help and I also think that it's common that you meet your girlfriend through friends and hobbies
@@Harry-dz9zctry cold approaching since u have both desirable physical attributes in a guy. Cold approach wouldn’t always be successful but it depends on situation since every interaction varies in what the women correspond to their needs they prioritize 1st. It’s also a great way to boost on ur social skills and lets u get out there more considering you’re a bit shy try going for a few and not a huge amount since most good conversation begins with a good face and height.
@@kaiyu583 Thank you very much for your answer. I have started with approaching people in the store to help me and talking more to cashiers. Going to university in a month. I hope I meet some new people there.
@@kaiyu583 But right now it really hurt to see 2/10 guys with 10/10 girls. I think like what is wrong with me and where do they find one night stands. Dating apps somehow don't work for me
As 5'6 dude with an 8/10 I can tell in my experience that I got a lot of female attention in my collegue years. In my opinion I think face > height. I would liked to be at least 5'8 though. Nice video fella
In my country, all the presidents were short guys! Also there's a myth in our culture who shows that tall guys tend to be stupid and without skills. They just have their bodies that may help them do physical easy jobs like construction. For me, I'm a 5'10.5 chad who wants to get taller and reach 6'2 or even 6'3. Being ugly here means being ugly, girls won't see you as a good partner, you may have a girlfriend but she will hate in secret and then breaks up with you. Being short and extremely handsome is not a problem anymore when you're aiming to get girls shorter than you. Big respect for all men, short and tall, ugly and handsome
Thank you for the comment, well it sounds like you at least have a good face so that's a big advantage. Maybe that's enough to compensate for not being 6 feet tall. Plus, you're not exactly a manlet at 5'10.5"
Between the 5ft4 and 5ft9 range is the twilight zone of manletism in the USA (The range varies by countries). Taller than the average woman but shorter than the average man. It's a handicap but it's not completely over. Under 5ft4 it's GG.
Nah it’s 5’9’5-11 or as wheat waffles once stated, the “danger zone”. You still have a chance to ascend depending if you make up for it in face, but every inch is a -1 to your overall SMV. I’d say anything 5’8 and under as 5’8 is considered below average hence it’s deemed short even though it isn’t a difference. I don’t know how you think 5’4 is good lmao. The at average female height. It’s over at that point. Realistically, if you’re under average male height it’s over
@@mcginnthegod As I said It varies by location. Being between 5ft9 and 5ft11 is where it's not a failo but not a halo entirely. Many men claim to be 6 foot because women can't really tell 5ft10 and 6ft (Plus you got to take into account liemaxxing on tinder). Also Face and JBW hold as much value or possibly even more than height. And I never stated 5ft4 was a decent height, I was claiming you still have a chance of ascension If you possess other qualities.
@@mcginnthegod True but if Sean O pry became 5ft4 and be on the same level as a Blackops2cel is ridiculous. Face is always key. For your sake I'm going to bump the It's over mark to 5ft5 if American.
I'm 5'7" and have a face that I consider attractive. However, to women I'm practically invisible because of my height. Some tell me I have a pretty face but ridicule my height. I can't help but think that with a few more inches of height I'd be a good match for anyone.
180 was the norm in europe many moons ago but now its 185. They did interviews in Balkan area asking girls whats their ideal partner height and many said they wouldn't date under 185cm... Its brutal
I'm 6'1". I have a 2/10 face and balding at 25yo. No love life or intimacy to speak of. Meanwhile my older 5'5" emo goth brother has lines of women dropping their panties for him like flies. Women want to date fairies, unicorns, and gods. Not men.
True, women in the 2020s are conditioned to want men that don't even exist. I'm sorry to hear that you have a 2 out of 10 face and you're losing your hair at a young age. Being 6'1" probably won't save you in Western countries. Maybe you could consider moving to SE Asia just to get away from this awful Western culture
Have you tried looksmaxxing, mewing, growing a beard, or considering cosmetic facial surgery? As well as Hair transplants, hair system/ man units/wigs, scalp micro pigmentation, or tried hair loss medication treatments such as minoxidil, finasteride, or dutasteride? That could improve your looks drastically a whole lot
Consider a hair transplant or hair system. There are TH-camrs who have gone from being a bald/balding sub5 to a Chadlite just from the hair. And you're 6'1"? Don't waste that gift by not fixing something that's easily fixable.
I created tinder profile of my friend who i considered his face, as a peak of attractiveness in Asian as Filipino his face is like pretty boy but not too feminine it has masculine side. The results are insane in a matter of seconds it got 4 likes I would want considered that face is so much so much important
well being 6 foot and good looking sometimes isn't enough even then, they rather have a tall guy who's a bit ugly. some women are really into the height thing extremely so, if they could have both they would do that, which is why even though they are with a tall guy they will mess with him like he's not enough because he's not "the perfect man" hell women could be with the "perfect man" and still not be satisfied and as a consequence treat them badly so really why would you want to be with a woman? it's really just a sex thing, this is why you see these depressed guys in relationships where they are desperately trying to connect with guys and have their guy time away from his woman, it's either that or stay at work a bit longer.
Thank you for the comment bobxbaker, I think that being 6 feet is more of a minimum requirement than a sufficient condition nowadays, especially in Western countries
@@heightpill yeah but not always enough depending on the woman, and if you're not good looking and tall she will more than likely cheat. and even if you're perfect she will still cheat if she can, all you have to do is look at celebrities to confirm this, it's not simply divorce, these women had a guy on the side all along. there is never a point to where a woman is ever satisfied with a man.
Yep ive been saying this for years. Height is might. Face is secondary and a multiplier. I know plenty of chadlets who are still V!rgins meanwhile plenty of tall sub5s who are doing well with vvomen. And not just the dating scene even getting good jobs, being respect and treated better etc. like for instance theres talks about raising the height requirement in things like the fire department, police force , security even military. Pretty brutal. But its understandable.
This is a tough one to decide. There definitely needs to be more discussion & analysis 🤔 There are so many variables involved: How good looking is the short guy? How short? Is the short, handsome guy thin & diminutive or muscular & jacked? Same variables for the unattractive tall guy. I've seen some handsome short guys at my gym over the years with very attractive GFs or wives. But these guys are usually jacked, no shorter than 5'6" & always at least as tall as the girl. Short, ugly guys that aren't built - I see a lot of them with short, unattractive overweight/obese women. But in every case I've seen, they're at least as tall as the girl. In hindsight, I probably see more ugly tall guys (well over 6 ft) with attractive women - especially if they're built & have a masculine appearance. I was at the store the other day when I saw a 6-4 or so fairly ugly dude holding hands with a hot Stacy, who looked about 5'5." But the guy was muscular & looked like a tough guy (bald, goatee, earring, etc). As they walked past me, I couldn't help but do a double take & think how height never has a bad day. 😆
LOL I'm sure it's true that tall men never have a bad day. I'll never get to experience that life though. For the ugly versus short comparison, I'm assuming that the ugly guy is 6'4" and has a 3 out of 10 face, while the short guy is 5'4" and has a 7 out of 10 face
@@heightpill What if the 5'4" guy has a 9 out of 10 face like Michael J. Fox? Though Fox was never casted as a lead in masculine action-role films, he did darn good as one of the more successful Hollywood film stars in the 80s & 90s. And he married a hot woman (taller than him, btw) who is still sticking with him in his horrible Parkinson's disease journey..And what does Tom Cruise, Michael Fox, Alan Ladd, Toby Maguire, Bono of U2, etc, all have in common?..."Chad" faces. 😉
@@nomad6086 Well said, 100%. Plus, those example are all from the pre-Tinder days. Michael J. Fox probably wouldn't be a movie star if he was 20 years old in 2024
@@heightpillgirls are delusional in a sense that first they all think they are 10s or are pretty at least an 8. So in their mind even tho the short guy is handsome and has 8/10 face she doesn’t care cause in her mind she is a beauty that is 10/10 face even tho her face is 4/10 but in her mind she’s doesn’t even think the short handsome guy is hot even tho he has a compacted face and good symmetry. She doesn’t even know how to calculate looks scaled. So in her head she’s like I only need tall and fit guy to breed with because my baby will get his height and body and my beautiful 10/10 face. She is disregarding the short handsome guy cause she’s like I don’t need his face genes because she thinks she already has that LOL even tho she’s not 10/10 face but by thinking like this she will think her child will have the best of both parents aka all ugly dad will ONLY pass height and fit body to her kids and her kid will inherit her 10/10 face which is not really a 10/10 face like 4/10 but she thinks her own face rating is closer to 10
@@nomad6086I would laugh my ass off if I see saw a 5’4 Brad Pitt or Henry cavill or like 5’4 Chris hemsworth. Even if they all had the same face I wouldn’t be able to take them seriously
@heightpill sitting down overanalyzing problems isn't going to make them dissappear 🤣 okay, you are short. Life goes on, stop this Blackpill bs, and go outside.
Dude I’m just coming across this channel. I’m almost positive based on ur voice yiu used to have a channel called black pill something, I can’t remember exactly, but I was a follower and then I think TH-cam took your channel down
Hello sir, yes I used to be known as black pill conversations, I was getting d**th treats from unknown people in my inbox so I pulled the plug and took a break for a while but it's good to be back
@@heightpillyoooo I knew it. Thanks for responding. Not to sound like a fag but i genuinely looked forward to your new videos and was actually l pretty disappointed when you went awol. Keep up the videos I think you could have a pretty big niche following here
@@heightpillyoooo I knew it. Thanks for responding. I was genuinely disappoint when I realized your channel was gone. I looked forward to your new videos and live interactions. Keep it up cuz I think you can have a pretty good niche following on here man. Happy you back
When this topic is brought up, we have to think of a fair assessment on who would receive more attention from women or whose life would generally be better without taking into account income or status. General rule of thumb is that face is more important than height, most people don’t deny that, nor do people not deny being short also has its disadvantages as well as you get ally can’t be too short & must pass a certain threshold . . . The case of tall ugly vs short handsome would only be fair if both people have a n equal hypothetical chance of being come acrossed. For example, a guy who’s 5’7 with a 7/10 face is as rare as a 6’4 dude with a 4/10 face. At this point, we must think. . . Whose lives would receive more positive attention. . . & who are good examples of people we could use who fit these same descriptions. . .
Exactly. That's why I suggest comparing a man who's 5'4" with a 7/10 face with a man who's 6'4" with a 3/10 face. They're both rare and it's pointless to consider a man who's 5'4" with a 9/10 face because hardly any men fit that description
Zac efron or John c Reilly? Both probably round the same networth with Zac being little more famous. Zac has the better life and his more fame helps a lot more too btw. There’s a study that proved fame is more amplified than money. But I would assume zac efron would still do better even if he wasn’t as famous
Technically zac Eron isn’t short short if he was 5’4 it’s over even with his fame. He would be like that lord of the rings guy Elijah woods so he’s short and handsome is worse if you are at least 2 standard deviations below avg heights zac is only 1 SD below avg so yes he is short but it’s considered kinda short. At at least at that height he will still be taller than 50-70% of woman or same height which means yes woman will notice he is short but at least he is little taller or same height as them which in desperation for the girl will open doors for men of this height at 5’7-5’8 because at least you same height or an inch or few inches taller still where as if you are 5’3 you’re like only taller than or same height as 10% of women
Height is a better predictor of successful offspring from an evolutionary point of view. It signifies better hunting success and a better ability to fight off rival males. Face (bone structure) just shows testosterone level and signs of illness. Also face is a less clearer way to signify superior genetics since you can get scars and injuries. Height is a more reliable indicator of survivability of the male’s offspring since it can’t really be changed by environment
Height can't be changed by environment? You never been so wrong. The genes that determine height are many small genes and are influenced by environment such as food supply. It's not a Mendelian inheritance. Plus face is an strong health indicator and health is associated with succes rate so u wrong there also (example: hunter eyes). Won't say is more important than height but that's not true.
@@Remokazzi Sorry I don't have a telegram account. I'm an old man LOL. I do have Zoom though and I could set up a Zoom room. You can e-mail me at heightpill at protonmail dot com to discuss it if you want
As someone who is both short and ugly, I would choose short and handsome. I can LL my way to at least normal height, but there's not much you can do with a 3/10 face (assuming the 3/10 isn't due to just being overweight).
That's a fair assessment. And I'm sorry to hear about your face and height predicament. My face isn't great to look at either, and I'm shorter than most men in the U.S.
@@gj9157 Well, I think it depends. My facial problems are a recessive chin and a big nose. I could and should have gotten a chin implant and a nose job when I was young. Something like a negative canthal tilt in the eyes might be more difficult to correct with surgery
I know a special case Girl that openly admit she would love to date a tall guy. But she ended up always with short or average height guys… Because every tall guy she met had character traits she disliked. So.. maybe its not the most important thing guys.
@@heightpill they are pretty rare but i wouldnt call them unicorns. Im not denying that height matter. For many girls its factor n1 But still There are a lot of other factors. People with good height have better potential to be attractive to most woman. But the potential will be most likely wasted because other factors. And it doesnt neccesarily need to be super ugly, fat etc. Even chad looking tall guys can fk their dating life by beeing too arrogant, have no social skills, are less funny than others, no ambitions etc. You really need to tick all collums atleast decently. Otherwise you wont be succesfull here.
@@vojtechlansky86for most chads that are tall that checked the list u provided above mainly go for one night stands rather going for long term committed relationships even if they did end up in a LTR it may not last long I can’t tell for sure because it depends on the person whether it’s superficial or genuine but then again this generalization has also been proven right based on legit evidence and statistics yeah
@@kaiyu583 if he is fine or above average in all i said well yeah… than his height will help him to achieve what short, bald, ugly people never will. He will have so many options that it would be almost stupid to just focus on one of them. Absolutelly agree. All im saying is most of tall guys, pretty guys (the most important things by blackpill) will fk it up by not beeing enough in other cases. It could even be a trivial thing like bad breath. If you are clear chad but you have bad breaath when approching… then you are pretty much doomed. Your suddenly a 3/10 weirdo. So i see an opportunity for not so blessed guys thanks to this. But ofc .. against chad looking guys by both height and Face who maxxed other things and know what they are dooing.. there is pretty much nothing you could do. But honestly.. more or less .. those chads will pretty much always tend to be too arrogant, more boring etc. … Because mostly the more you have things free, the less afford you give and vice versa.
@@derekcheung125George Washington was 6'2" & leader of men. I wonder if he had been 5'6" or 5'5", if he would have had the same leadership qualities or have even been a general? 🤔
The shorter girl is the more she cares about height.
True, it's like they want to compensate for their own shortness by getting a tall man
@@heightpillya thats why theres still not a lot of 6'10 plus people
@@heightpill they want taller children
Almost every single woman you see who is asked the “tall ugly” or “short handsome” will always choose the tall ugly man with a .5% exception. (1/200). This alone debunks the face>height argument.
I agree 100%
It depends on how short you are. A good-looking 5'7 guy should do better than a tall and ugly guy(maybe even 5'6 at a push), but a tall ugly guy will do better than a turbo manlet with a good face. They can probably get some low-tier woman who fetishizes height
100% agree, and I would add that some women are so obsessed about height that they would accept a 6'5" man with a below average face. Those same women would never accept a 5'4" man with a 7 out of 10 face
@@heightpillyup. 100% this. You know what's crazy? Most women over 30 on tinder are taller than average height for women. All of that because most 5"4-5"6 went for those 5"10 and up guys not leaving anything for the taller.
this is such cope man. one of my best friends is like 1,60m and he has had multiple girlfriends before. hes like a 6/10. but me i cant even get a kiss.
There’s levels to these things you know. I would say that women have a minimum height requirement- a guy who is shorter than that will not be chosen even if he’s beautiful, and any inch above the minimum is a bonus.
There are guys that are 5’5 that are handsome and struggle a lot with women- but if they grew to be 5’10 which is about average then they would do better with women than an average looking guy that is 6’4. Both face and height matter, and both will disqualify you if it’s bad enough. I would assume a really tall guy with a genuinely disfigured face would struggle like a 5’5 handsome guy.
@@heightpilli'm 163 cm and according what i know about favial aesthetic is like 7/10 and getting all the time compliments and severals women concired me attractive so wha happen my case?, then my face must be 8/10 to gain a lot good feedback i guess XD
The first heightpill I received was from my girlfriend's sister. She's 5'1 and a 6/10 at best. She's been single for over 10 years, many guys asked her out but she kept rejecting them. The only guy she said yes to was an ugly guy who was over 6ft tall. He pumped and dumped her a week later. She'd rather be alone for 10 years than date a short guy.
Dang, that's brutal. Women would rather share a few very tall men than even consider average height and short men
Women would rather workcel for 40 years than settle for a sub8 beta provider
Nah. That's just a dumb women 😂
Im short and ugly
Kiss of death son
That's brutal. Sorry to hear about it, but I'm in the same situation
Probably been said already before but height isn’t necessary a halo unless 6’2+, it’s more so the entry requirement. You can’t be taken seriously if your short is especially 5’6 and below from what I’ve seen in my experience. Heightpill is actually so brutal and honestly not talked enough about in the BP space, so thank you for covering it. I really like your stuff.
Thank you for the nice comment THEKaari, I'm hoping to spread the word about the plight of short men around the world. Yeah I'd say that 6'2" is a minimum for the halo effect to kick in, but I'd still do anything just to be 6' even
@@heightpill I know what you mean man. Once you hit 6ft your set basically as long as you have a decent face. A rule of thumb is the shorter you are the more your face needs to be attractive to compensate. Once you’ve hit 5’6 and below though, 99% of cases, it’s a rap. I’ve heard of people literally being told to kill themselves because of their short height, genetics are well and truly everything in life.
@@heightpill Are you looking into limb lengthening? Or is it just out of your price range or something..? I'm doing it in about a year to get from 5'7.5 to around 5'11. I think I'm going to go to LimbPlastX in Nevada and do the new Precice Max weight-bearing nail. That'll be expensive and I had to sell a house to do it, but if you're looking for inexpensive options, there's a guy here on TH-cam who's currently just a few weeks into his limb lengthening journey who is posting vlogs every few days, he's doing it in India for only like $16k plus travel/food/lodging (which obviously dirt-cheap in India, but everything seems very legit and he's had no troubles so far. If you're interested, his channel is @limblengtheningjourney24
@@heightpill I'd do anything just to be an average 5'9".
Compensations are not attractive
I used to think height didn’t matter, but now ive come to realise most of the bullshit I’ve endured my whole life was caused by being short indirectly and without consciously knowing that was a factor. A lot of things society say about short vs tall are myths and some are correct but what fustrates me is some dont apply to me but i still fit the narrative and can never break it. It then plays a factor in my self confidence making me realise i cant do anything about it.
Well stated, thank you for the comment. A man's height will directly and profoundly impact his quality of life
How short and how handsome? And we have to keep in mind women have a different conception of ugly than men as they consider 80% of men unattractive
It's true, men have an even distribution in their perception of attractive vs. unattractive women, whereas women mostly find only a handful of men attractive. For the short vs. handsome comparison, I'm comparing a 6'4" man with a 3 out of 10 face vs. a 5'4" man with a 7 out of 10 face
ugly = average to women btw
@@heightpill Hmmm... With my profile pic (me), do you think I would survive at 5'11? 6ft wearing shoes, maybe 6'1 if I wore little 1" lifts..?
@@searchforsymmetryyes but please grow out your hair, you would look much better.
@@searchforsymmetryDude you’re more than great, the perception of attractiveness can also change in person so I can’t fully rate you but based on the pic I have seen you look pretty decent and you have potential and you would do fantastic with women. I’m wishing I could be your barefoot height with Air Force ones, I’m 5 ft 8.5
If ur around the age of 20 and younger u can still grow
Sure, but after that, it's a wrap
Cope, before it was "oh your 16 you can still grow till 20" Now im 20 and im still 5'3.
Im 6'1 with bad hair and bad lower third of my face (ugly)
if I could chose to be 5'10 or 5'11 with better hair / facial aesthetics I would
Its also difficult to put on muscle in arms without bulking and being skinny fat
Its like a mathematical equation, height, face, hair, body, money theres always something out weighing the other
It's true that face and height have to have a good balance. At 6'1" you could afford to give up a couple of inches of height if it meant having a better face. That's because women can't tell the difference in real life between 5'11" and 6 feet
Short Handsome will always lose to a Normie Looks Tall Guy 99% of the time
This is not fair comparison. You gave 1st guy 1 good feature (handsome) and 1 bad (short), and you gave 2nd guy 1 good feature (tall) and 1 average (normie looks). It would be fair to compare 5'5 chadlet vs 6'3 ugly 3/10 face. Just ask 6'3 Blackops2cel with 3/10 face, 6'3 FaceandLMS or 6'1 Eggy ("Take the blackpill" video on youtube from 2015) did height saved their ugly faces from inceldom?
@@alexlazarev8033 if u are having hard time differentiating objective reality vs outliers then you are not thinking
Maybe even 100% of the time
@@alexlazarev8033 It's probably better to do the classic comparison of tall and ugly (let's say 3 out of 10) face versus short and decent (let's say 7 out of 10) face
@@heightpill This is exactly what i am talking about.
ggs God has blessed me with looks but not on height everyone stares at me but im still insecure cause im "attractive" but im short and that alone doesnt give me enough confidence ( im 5'4 at 15yrs old) i dont think i have a chance anymore..
Don't give up yet. Your growth plates in your bones haven't closed yet. You could possibly still grow more
Don't be sad man. If you reach at least like 5'8" then you should be good with a cute face. 👍 There are plenty of short AND ugly guys out there. Take it from a 20 year old 5'9" guy with a probably 6.5/10 face. I have done just fine with women.
Tall and ugly is literally default for a 6'2 plus guy cause they never had to think about face or "game" to get women...
I can't imagine what it's like to get the immediate respect that tall men automatically get from women and men
@@heightpill Idk I just have so much built up anger now that even if a girl may find me decent enough facially I'm just too fucked mentally
One of the least popular but crucial blackpill for those tall but ugly dudes (Remember 5/10 face is considered ugly for most women): Even if height gets you dates, your relationship experience tends to be very unpleasant with lots of headache, arguments, and fights.
Face is literally what connect's people's soul when they look at each other, or when other times of intimacy. Face is what gives women the butterflies feelings. It's impossible to be romantic up close with a gorrilla face.
So if your women having fights with you out of nowhere, most of the time you gotta understand, your face is probably under 6/10, and it's women's underlying nature, not the actual fault of anyone.
So in conclusion: an average height, with chad face 1000 times > Than average face, with chad height
Hence, Face > Height
Complicated argument but with valid points I'd say. Especially the part about ugly men getting bad, contentious relationships when they actually get to be in one. That's indisputable
Brootal face pill
so brootal man. what a depressing comment. but is the reality of female nature
at the end of the day they aren't picking either of us, they're choosing the handsome tall guys so there's no point in crying about it
True but I enjoy crying about it LOL
A man would have to be insane to do leg lengthening. I'm short and I would never do it. Short men have it hard, generally.
I've also chosen not to do leg lengthening, though it might be a good option for some short men in the West
It's very difficult, not worth it bro I would rather buy a sex doll than break my leg for some crazy standards from girls nowadays.
Not at all. I'll be doing it in 2025 to go from 5'7.5 to about 5'11. It's just a surgery, and when done by a qualified competent surgeon in a first-world country it's literally a 95% success rate.
@@searchforsymmetry you're nuts. I'm 5'6 and I've had plenty of pussy for 30 years.
@@searchforsymmetry Same. Can't wait. And yes, if you have a qualified surgeon and put in the physio work, it's not that complicated. Gonna hurt, though, but only for a little while.
The thumbnail got me laughing so hard 😂😂😅😅😅
LOL cool, well I'm glad I caught your attention with it
@@heightpillI subbed keep us updated
The fact is, that you can measure your height. And vast majority of women are attracted to taller men. Which doesn't mean that short men don't stand a chance. But looks is something different. Everybody has different opinion on what's nice or ugly.
It's true that height is much more objective than facial looks. However, a man with a 3 out of 10 face is pretty much universally considered ugly and will almost always be rejected by women in Western countries
@heightpill not if he's tall. Unless he's in a country where the average height is tall, then face would matter.
Slovakia is Hungary tho ( no hate)
There was a martial arts instructor in my town many years ago named Bobby Joe Blythe. He was 5’7 200lbs this man was highly respected and had a personal power that women craved. He certainly wasn’t typical however being short isn’t necessarily a curse, and look who they are asking, 20 something’s that don’t know jack anyway.
Perhaps he had clout/status in his local area. This is what some people call personal power
5'6 and below is curse
20somethings dont know jack? PRACTICALLY ALL women don't know jack lmao. let's remove any short guy's confidence blocker here/now. "WHAT IF".....you were with a taller woman 1 on 1 in an alleyway at night. Who will 'win'. ?!? END OF STORY. Evolution dealt YOU that. Embrace it. im not saying beat up a female lol, what I AM saying is that YOU COULD IF YOU CHOSE TO. to put the pimpin in effect to keep the hoes in check. =D im 6 foot with shoes on, screw it anyway jajaja
This is a debatable delusion issue. I've seen shorter men, but they have very good facial features as to what girls call "cute" and "hot", that have hot girlfriends. I'm 5'11" so I'm not short, but not tall either. But back in the day when I used to go out a lot, "cute" shorter guys did have the chicks.
That was back in the day, though. Times have changes and if your height starts with a 5, that's bad news
@@heightpill Very true.
Between being ugly and short, all I know is that in terms of treatment being ugly is just painful for many reasons if you end up getting these.
1. It's much easier to get bad treatment as an ugly guy. People can just trash your looks, calling you names, attack you and such no matter if it's in public or online and it's hard to have positive reinforcement when it's constant negative reinforcement from people who dislike your looks. It's also why guys are even afraid to show themselves online as well.
2. Bullying can happen a lot more when you are ugly. Most people who get bullied either looks ugly or have a look that people just don't like. Getting bullied by girls is worse than guys because it's expected from guys(as they are usually more up front about it and they do it much more commonly) plus it makes it difficult to attract the gender you are attracted to if they keep doing that to you. I heard reports of people get bullied at work even.
3. Cold approaching as a ugly guy is pretty much mission impossible(unless you can somehow manage). I know there are a variety of factors at play but if you are ugly doing that expect many rejections and rejections are usually harsher for an ugly guy. In certain cases she may even consider you harassing her or calling someone for help trying to get you into trouble. Certain women think they are being offended and feel ugly if a ugly guy approaches them as well.
4. Going on sites like Meet Me, Monkey and Omegle like sites as an ugly guy is so rough that I don't even recommend it in most cases. 1 of 3 things will normally happen: 1. They will see you for a few seconds and skip you. 2. They will see you for a few seconds, give looks of disgusts or laugh at you and skip you. 3. They will see your face and trash your looks giving you bad treatment for a little bit and then skip you. So basically if you're ugly it's really hard to use those sites(unless you somehow got lucky).
5. It's really, really hard to get the triple A treatment(attention, attraction, affection) from people if you're ugly. If you can't get affection it means she doesn't love you enough, if you don't pass the looks threshold or interest in many cases you can't attract her and if she gives you looks of disgusts, ignores you and treats you like you are invisible to her then you can't even get her attention. Not getting all 3 of that is rough and not even getting the first one like attention means you can't even start.
6. People who are ugly have a chance to likely commit suicide or just stop trying in life. Brutal but true and some TH-camrs killed themselves due to all the bad treatment they get because of their looks both from the public and online as well.
Then they could also give up because they get treated bad due to their looks and it sucks.
In short, being ugly is rough in many cases. Now they say being tall while ugly helps but that's still a sign of odd genetics and it's 50/50 on how you'll succeed so it can go either way. But being short and ugly is something that a lot of guys would complain about. Basically, you are living a much harder life being ugly unless you can somehow manage to either be lucky or still have value in other aspects of your life in order to succeed.
Hello masterlee and thank you for the thoughtful comment. I think the major takeaway here is that all classes of subhumans have their own unique struggles, and being a manlet entails challenges and humiliations that no one else can really appreciate
'in short'? lmao
Asshole.
@@boethius1812 Everything I said does happen though. I know it sounds brutal but it's the reality that many ugly guys will face(literally). You may luck out and not experience this treatment much or at all but it's true that this is what could happen when you're ugly. And some of my friends have experienced this as well because of their looks(mainly number 1 and 3). So overall you do have to work harder as an ugly guy and your results will vary on how you can succeed(as there will be certain ugly guys that can succeed) but do note that what I said does happen to people and it sucks really. In various cases the worse you look the worse the treatment you could get(unless you can avoid that).
Bro I'm 22, decent looking, 6.3ft and still unkissed. Due to being poor, no friends and shy
Dang, that's rough but you have the necessary physical tools to get some action. Friends and money have little to do with women's attraction to you. Get past the shyness and women will like your height and looks. Go out there and get some!
@@heightpill I just hate it. It's more social anxiety than only shyness. I don't go parting because I don't drink. Always waited for the right one but I'm about to turn 23… I think money and more muscle going to help and I also think that it's common that you meet your girlfriend through friends and hobbies
@@Harry-dz9zctry cold approaching since u have both desirable physical attributes in a guy. Cold approach wouldn’t always be successful but it depends on situation since every interaction varies in what the women correspond to their needs they prioritize 1st. It’s also a great way to boost on ur social skills and lets u get out there more considering you’re a bit shy try going for a few and not a huge amount since most good conversation begins with a good face and height.
@@kaiyu583 Thank you very much for your answer. I have started with approaching people in the store to help me and talking more to cashiers. Going to university in a month. I hope I meet some new people there.
@@kaiyu583 But right now it really hurt to see 2/10 guys with 10/10 girls. I think like what is wrong with me and where do they find one night stands. Dating apps somehow don't work for me
As 5'6 dude with an 8/10 I can tell in my experience that I got a lot of female attention in my collegue years. In my opinion I think face > height. I would liked to be at least 5'8 though. Nice video fella
Thank you for the video bruno, at least you did okay during your college years and you height-mog me by a couple of inches
In my country, all the presidents were short guys! Also there's a myth in our culture who shows that tall guys tend to be stupid and without skills. They just have their bodies that may help them do physical easy jobs like construction. For me, I'm a 5'10.5 chad who wants to get taller and reach 6'2 or even 6'3. Being ugly here means being ugly, girls won't see you as a good partner, you may have a girlfriend but she will hate in secret and then breaks up with you. Being short and extremely handsome is not a problem anymore when you're aiming to get girls shorter than you. Big respect for all men, short and tall, ugly and handsome
Thank you for the comment, well it sounds like you at least have a good face so that's a big advantage. Maybe that's enough to compensate for not being 6 feet tall. Plus, you're not exactly a manlet at 5'10.5"
Between the 5ft4 and 5ft9 range is the twilight zone of manletism in the USA (The range varies by countries). Taller than the average woman but shorter than the average man. It's a handicap but it's not completely over. Under 5ft4 it's GG.
That sounds about right. Also, I am 100% going to steal the phrase "twilight zone of manletism" LOL
Nah it’s 5’9’5-11 or as wheat waffles once stated, the “danger zone”. You still have a chance to ascend depending if you make up for it in face, but every inch is a -1 to your overall SMV. I’d say anything 5’8 and under as 5’8 is considered below average hence it’s deemed short even though it isn’t a difference. I don’t know how you think 5’4 is good lmao. The at average female height. It’s over at that point. Realistically, if you’re under average male height it’s over
@@mcginnthegod As I said It varies by location. Being between 5ft9 and 5ft11 is where it's not a failo but not a halo entirely. Many men claim to be 6 foot because women can't really tell 5ft10 and 6ft (Plus you got to take into account liemaxxing on tinder). Also Face and JBW hold as much value or possibly even more than height. And I never stated 5ft4 was a decent height, I was claiming you still have a chance of ascension If you possess other qualities.
@@caiuscosades6423 yeah but most of us are from western countries. 5’4 is over even if you have a chad face as that’s legit average female height
@@mcginnthegod True but if Sean O pry became 5ft4 and be on the same level as a Blackops2cel is ridiculous. Face is always key. For your sake I'm going to bump the It's over mark to 5ft5 if American.
I'm 5'7" and have a face that I consider attractive. However, to women I'm practically invisible because of my height. Some tell me I have a pretty face but ridicule my height. I can't help but think that with a few more inches of height I'd be a good match for anyone.
It’s cuz ur in Europe
You might be a good candidate for limb lengthening, but be aware of the costs and risks. Or at least try shoe lifts
I thank God many times I am 180 cm tall. I am blessed...
Yes indeed, even during your hardest times, you're better off than some other men in the world
You need to be atleast 185 now
Gawd
@@Μιχαλης-ζ3φinflation is real
180 was the norm in europe many moons ago but now its 185. They did interviews in Balkan area asking girls whats their ideal partner height and many said they wouldn't date under 185cm... Its brutal
im 5'5 with 7/10 face and i get way more women than my 6 foot average friends
You are a lucky man, sir.
Lol cope. Height is might
Copium +++
@@LORDGODSE touch grass
@@classical7370 Alright mister sir
im an extremely tall man. the heigt pill doesnt exist. it is cope
I can't argue with Chuck Norris and expect to win
@@heightpill lol but fo real im 2,10m
I'm 6'1". I have a 2/10 face and balding at 25yo. No love life or intimacy to speak of. Meanwhile my older 5'5" emo goth brother has lines of women dropping their panties for him like flies.
Women want to date fairies, unicorns, and gods. Not men.
True, women in the 2020s are conditioned to want men that don't even exist. I'm sorry to hear that you have a 2 out of 10 face and you're losing your hair at a young age. Being 6'1" probably won't save you in Western countries. Maybe you could consider moving to SE Asia just to get away from this awful Western culture
@user-rm5jj9qw9t lol you'll mog him in other areas though job wise, respect wise, positive reinforcement.
Height is might
You’re father should do a DNA test big bro
Have you tried looksmaxxing, mewing, growing a beard, or considering cosmetic facial surgery? As well as Hair transplants, hair system/ man units/wigs, scalp micro pigmentation, or tried hair loss medication treatments such as minoxidil, finasteride, or dutasteride? That could improve your looks drastically a whole lot
Consider a hair transplant or hair system. There are TH-camrs who have gone from being a bald/balding sub5 to a Chadlite just from the hair. And you're 6'1"? Don't waste that gift by not fixing something that's easily fixable.
I created tinder profile of my friend who i considered his face, as a peak of attractiveness in Asian as Filipino his face is like pretty boy but not too feminine it has masculine side.
The results are insane in a matter of seconds it got 4 likes
I would want considered that face is so much so much important
Sure but it sounds like his face had to be perfect in order to achieve this result. Very few short men have such perfect faces
well being 6 foot and good looking sometimes isn't enough even then, they rather have a tall guy who's a bit ugly.
some women are really into the height thing extremely so, if they could have both they would do that, which is why even though they are with a tall guy they will mess with him like he's not enough because he's not "the perfect man"
hell women could be with the "perfect man" and still not be satisfied and as a consequence treat them badly so really why would you want to be with a woman?
it's really just a sex thing, this is why you see these depressed guys in relationships where they are desperately trying to connect with guys and have their guy time away from his woman, it's either that or stay at work a bit longer.
Thank you for the comment bobxbaker, I think that being 6 feet is more of a minimum requirement than a sufficient condition nowadays, especially in Western countries
@@heightpill yeah but not always enough depending on the woman, and if you're not good looking and tall she will more than likely cheat. and even if you're perfect she will still cheat if she can, all you have to do is look at celebrities to confirm this, it's not simply divorce, these women had a guy on the side all along.
there is never a point to where a woman is ever satisfied with a man.
Yep ive been saying this for years. Height is might. Face is secondary and a multiplier.
I know plenty of chadlets who are still
V!rgins meanwhile plenty of tall sub5s who are doing well with vvomen. And not just the dating scene even getting good jobs, being respect and treated better etc. like for instance theres talks about raising the height requirement in things like the fire department, police force , security even military. Pretty brutal. But its understandable.
Tall chad always wins, and between tall ugly man versus short man with good face, probably the tall ugly man wins in most situations
@heightpill Height is might!
Good to have you back in the community it's been so long!
The correct answer is, they will choose neither of them
It's true and it's over
The Truth is the will choose the ugly short guy with a lot of money 😂
This is a tough one to decide. There definitely needs to be more discussion & analysis 🤔 There are so many variables involved: How good looking is the short guy? How short? Is the short, handsome guy thin & diminutive or muscular & jacked? Same variables for the unattractive tall guy.
I've seen some handsome short guys at my gym over the years with very attractive GFs or wives. But these guys are usually jacked, no shorter than 5'6" & always at least as tall as the girl. Short, ugly guys that aren't built - I see a lot of them with short, unattractive overweight/obese women. But in every case I've seen, they're at least as tall as the girl.
In hindsight, I probably see more ugly tall guys (well over 6 ft) with attractive women - especially if they're built & have a masculine appearance. I was at the store the other day when I saw a 6-4 or so fairly ugly dude holding hands with a hot Stacy, who looked about 5'5." But the guy was muscular & looked like a tough guy (bald, goatee, earring, etc). As they walked past me, I couldn't help but do a double take & think how height never has a bad day. 😆
LOL I'm sure it's true that tall men never have a bad day. I'll never get to experience that life though. For the ugly versus short comparison, I'm assuming that the ugly guy is 6'4" and has a 3 out of 10 face, while the short guy is 5'4" and has a 7 out of 10 face
@@heightpill What if the 5'4" guy has a 9 out of 10 face like Michael J. Fox? Though Fox was never casted as a lead in masculine action-role films, he did darn good as one of the more successful Hollywood film stars in the 80s & 90s. And he married a hot woman (taller than him, btw) who is still sticking with him in his horrible Parkinson's disease journey..And what does Tom Cruise, Michael Fox, Alan Ladd, Toby Maguire, Bono of U2, etc, all have in common?..."Chad" faces. 😉
@@nomad6086 Well said, 100%. Plus, those example are all from the pre-Tinder days. Michael J. Fox probably wouldn't be a movie star if he was 20 years old in 2024
@@heightpillgirls are delusional in a sense that first they all think they are 10s or are pretty at least an 8. So in their mind even tho the short guy is handsome and has 8/10 face she doesn’t care cause in her mind she is a beauty that is 10/10 face even tho her face is 4/10 but in her mind she’s doesn’t even think the short handsome guy is hot even tho he has a compacted face and good symmetry. She doesn’t even know how to calculate looks scaled. So in her head she’s like I only need tall and fit guy to breed with because my baby will get his height and body and my beautiful 10/10 face. She is disregarding the short handsome guy cause she’s like I don’t need his face genes because she thinks she already has that LOL even tho she’s not 10/10 face but by thinking like this she will think her child will have the best of both parents aka all ugly dad will ONLY pass height and fit body to her kids and her kid will inherit her 10/10 face which is not really a 10/10 face like 4/10 but she thinks her own face rating is closer to 10
@@nomad6086I would laugh my ass off if I see saw a 5’4 Brad Pitt or Henry cavill or like 5’4 Chris hemsworth. Even if they all had the same face I wouldn’t be able to take them seriously
I wish I was tall!!! FML MAN!
I hear ya. I'm in the same boat
Hell no , just stop. Full stop!! You are wrong when u listen to not a womn but many womn
Just assume that everything I say is 100% wrong and fraudulent
@@heightpill no lie is 100% lie, but i differently not listening to no low iq bimbo chanting "6,5 finance blue eyes"
How tall are you bro? and what would you rate yourself?
I'm 5'4" and I'm in my 50s so I'm too old to rate. I was 4 out of 10 in the face when I was younger, I think
@@heightpill Are you married or in a relation ship
All of you need to touch grass
I'll do that after taking a shower and getting a haircut
@heightpill sitting down overanalyzing problems isn't going to make them dissappear 🤣 okay, you are short. Life goes on, stop this Blackpill bs, and go outside.
@@didyouseewhatidone5412 I touched the grass, now what?
Dude I’m just coming across this channel. I’m almost positive based on ur voice yiu used to have a channel called black pill something, I can’t remember exactly, but I was a follower and then I think TH-cam took your channel down
Hello sir, yes I used to be known as black pill conversations, I was getting d**th treats from unknown people in my inbox so I pulled the plug and took a break for a while but it's good to be back
@@heightpillyoooo I knew it. Thanks for responding. Not to sound like a fag but i genuinely looked forward to your new videos and was actually l pretty disappointed when you went awol. Keep up the videos I think you could have a pretty big niche following here
@@heightpillyoooo I knew it. Thanks for responding. I was genuinely disappoint when I realized your channel was gone. I looked forward to your new videos and live interactions. Keep it up cuz I think you can have a pretty good niche following on here man. Happy you back
@@cloviswater4870 Thank you sir, much appreciated and hopefully I can build a small but active channel here and then start some livestreams
depends on how short though
I would compare a 5'4" man with a 7 out of 10 face, with a 6'4" man with a 3 out of 10 face. The tall man wins
@@heightpill yeah 5 4 is very short but if the guy would be like 5'7 ish with decent frame on that height things would be different
Short in the wallet
When this topic is brought up, we have to think of a fair assessment on who would receive more attention from women or whose life would generally be better without taking into account income or status.
General rule of thumb is that face is more important than height, most people don’t deny that, nor do people not deny being short also has its disadvantages as well as you get ally can’t be too short & must pass a certain threshold . . .
The case of tall ugly vs short handsome would only be fair if both people have a n equal hypothetical chance of being come acrossed.
For example, a guy who’s 5’7 with a 7/10 face is as rare as a 6’4 dude with a 4/10 face.
At this point, we must think. . . Whose lives would receive more positive attention. . . & who are good examples of people we could use who fit these same descriptions. . .
Exactly. That's why I suggest comparing a man who's 5'4" with a 7/10 face with a man who's 6'4" with a 3/10 face. They're both rare and it's pointless to consider a man who's 5'4" with a 9/10 face because hardly any men fit that description
Perfect example 5’7 Tom Cruise an 6’4 Will feral an we both know who’s the bigger star an who had more women chasing thwm
Zac efron or John c Reilly? Both probably round the same networth with Zac being little more famous. Zac has the better life and his more fame helps a lot more too btw. There’s a study that proved fame is more amplified than money. But I would assume zac efron would still do better even if he wasn’t as famous
Technically zac Eron isn’t short short if he was 5’4 it’s over even with his fame. He would be like that lord of the rings guy Elijah woods so he’s short and handsome is worse if you are at least 2 standard deviations below avg heights zac is only 1 SD below avg so yes he is short but it’s considered kinda short. At at least at that height he will still be taller than 50-70% of woman or same height which means yes woman will notice he is short but at least he is little taller or same height as them which in desperation for the girl will open doors for men of this height at 5’7-5’8 because at least you same height or an inch or few inches taller still where as if you are 5’3 you’re like only taller than or same height as 10% of women
also depends what age the short guy is,good luck dating younger childless woman if the short guy is over 35.
Height is a better predictor of successful offspring from an evolutionary point of view. It signifies better hunting success and a better ability to fight off rival males. Face (bone structure) just shows testosterone level and signs of illness. Also face is a less clearer way to signify superior genetics since you can get scars and injuries. Height is a more reliable indicator of survivability of the male’s offspring since it can’t really be changed by environment
I think women sense all of this on an instinctual level. However, modern society reinforces these height standards as well
Entirely false.
Height can't be changed by environment? You never been so wrong. The genes that determine height are many small genes and are influenced by environment such as food supply. It's not a Mendelian inheritance.
Plus face is an strong health indicator and health is associated with succes rate so u wrong there also (example: hunter eyes). Won't say is more important than height but that's not true.
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Definitely, we can make that happen. You can e-mail me: heightpill at protonmail dot com
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@@Remokazzi Sorry I don't have a telegram account. I'm an old man LOL. I do have Zoom though and I could set up a Zoom room. You can e-mail me at heightpill at protonmail dot com to discuss it if you want
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As someone who is both short and ugly, I would choose short and handsome. I can LL my way to at least normal height, but there's not much you can do with a 3/10 face (assuming the 3/10 isn't due to just being overweight).
That's a fair assessment. And I'm sorry to hear about your face and height predicament. My face isn't great to look at either, and I'm shorter than most men in the U.S.
Yeah the face has alot going on. It's much harder to fix an ugly sub5 face than it is to simply lengthen your legs.
@@gj9157 Well, I think it depends. My facial problems are a recessive chin and a big nose. I could and should have gotten a chin implant and a nose job when I was young. Something like a negative canthal tilt in the eyes might be more difficult to correct with surgery
@@heightpillhow tall are you? I’m 5 ft 8.5 and if you say 5 ft 9 and you’re shorter than most men then you’re full of baloney
@@gj9157Really? I thought it was the opposite and much less expensive to get facial surgery than do height surgery?
I know a special case
Girl that openly admit she would love to date a tall guy.
But she ended up always with short or average height guys…
Because every tall guy she met had character traits she disliked.
So.. maybe its not the most important thing guys.
There are always exceptions, known as "unicorns," but they are so rare that most short men will never find one of them
@@heightpill they are pretty rare but i wouldnt call them unicorns.
Im not denying that height matter. For many girls its factor n1
But still
There are a lot of other factors.
People with good height have better potential to be attractive to most woman.
But the potential will be most likely wasted because other factors. And it doesnt neccesarily need to be super ugly, fat etc.
Even chad looking tall guys can fk their dating life by beeing too arrogant, have no social skills, are less funny than others, no ambitions etc.
You really need to tick all collums atleast decently. Otherwise you wont be succesfull here.
@@vojtechlansky86for most chads that are tall that checked the list u provided above mainly go for one night stands rather going for long term committed relationships even if they did end up in a LTR it may not last long I can’t tell for sure because it depends on the person whether it’s superficial or genuine but then again this generalization has also been proven right based on legit evidence and statistics yeah
@@kaiyu583 if he is fine or above average in all i said well yeah… than his height will help him to achieve what short, bald, ugly people never will. He will have so many options that it would be almost stupid to just focus on one of them.
Absolutelly agree.
All im saying is most of tall guys, pretty guys (the most important things by blackpill) will fk it up by not beeing enough in other cases.
It could even be a trivial thing like bad breath. If you are clear chad but you have bad breaath when approching… then you are pretty much doomed. Your suddenly a 3/10 weirdo.
So i see an opportunity for not so blessed guys thanks to this.
But ofc .. against chad looking guys by both height and Face who maxxed other things and know what they are dooing..
there is pretty much nothing you could do.
But honestly.. more or less .. those chads will pretty much always tend to be too arrogant, more boring etc. …
Because mostly the more you have things free, the less afford you give and vice versa.
I'm 6'8, for you what would be the ideal height with women? Because i want to reach 6'10
6'2 is the ideal
Depends on your location. 6'4" is good in the U.S., while 6'6" would be better in Norway. In SE Asia 6'2" would be fine
I'm thinking 6'4"
@@derekcheung125George Washington was 6'2" & leader of men. I wonder if he had been 5'6" or 5'5", if he would have had the same leadership qualities or have even been a general? 🤔
@@nomad6086 He would have been ignored by the revolutionary soldiers and America would still be controlled by England. Or something like that. LOL