@Alexander Rapp That's great but this is not a regular PC this is a mini PC The form factor is what you're paying for I already own high-end PCs that's not what this is for
is it? i got an asus gaming laptop with 16gb ram (upgradeable to 32 if i want) 1TB SSD ryzen 5900hs CPU and nvidia rtx 3060 for about 850 and it shits on this mini pc lol this seems like a waste of money
Hey Taki, I would like to express my appreciation for this video and review of the GTR7 mini PC. As someone who has pre-ordered this device, I would greatly appreciate your guidance in setting up and configuring this unique product. I was particularly interested in your discussion of APU overclocking, and would be grateful if you could provide me with a detailed guide on this feature. Additionally, any other tips or best practices for setting up and optimizing the GTR7 would be highly valued. Thank you in advance for your time and expertise. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Finally got a chance to answer this. This thing has a base TDP of 65W with the boost that they applied in the BIOS. At that level, you will have no problems reaching the max GPU clock and you will have close to full CPU clocks. If you stay with that TDP, the device will almost be silent. You start getting diminishing returns with this processor over 35W, but it's not an issue on a mini PC. I would do a 5 or 10W boost over the 65W as long as the fan noise doesn't bother you (it will go from dead quiet to making some noise). I would also overclock the GPU to at least 2.9GHz, especially for emulation. The tool that I used to do this is an internal engineering tool from AMD, but you can do the same things with some open source tools that exist. You're going to want to use something like Universal x86 Tuning Utility, but Handheld Control Panel from Project SBC has other useful features. These have a GUI and will be easy for you to see how to adjust what I am talking about. I've linked them below. Outside of that, there's no tuning that you'll need to do. The stock settings were great on this and the lower TDP benchmarks lined up exactly with other processors from this series. The only thing that you may need to do is adjust the UMA size in the future, but this will only need to be done if a game crashes and tells you it ran out of video memory. github.com/JamesCJ60/Universal-x86-Tuning-Utility github.com/project-sbc/Handheld-Control-Panel
Quick note that anyone that picks this up should ask Beelink for the updated firmware. I had a couple of reboots before it but now it's rock solid. (firmware date 6/13)
I have to wonder how Beelink is getting these out so far ahead of the major laptop companies. Not complaining, I love getting little machines like this with big gaming grunt, but it is annoying that I can't get a sub-notebook with this chip yet.
I feel like now that we have the ROG Ally at 599.99 these kind of devices will be a bit harder for me to buy for just emulation/light gaming. That said for only $180 more you get more iO, the ability to use an EGPU, Double the ram and double the HDD space. These days I can't live without 32GB of ram. That said I'll probably either get the Ally or wait for the Beelink SER those are usually cheaper and go on sale often.
What's that screen? Is it a Switch to which you're somehow streaming the image, or is it a wireless screen in the form factor of a Switch? I'm confused 😅
From what I can see, 7840HS and 7840U are the same chip, but CPU performance is better on this at very high TDP (even when 7840U is at the same TDP). You can almost turn a 7840HS into a 7940 by overclocking the GPU like I did here, but you can't do that for the CPU.
I bought into 7735hs too late, didnt realize the 7480 etc would be released so soon after for only $100 more. As an emulation box, though, it doesnt really make much difference, even up to ps3.
Ah man, every time i am about to dive in, another option arrives giving pause for thought! Upscaled emulation up to ps2, ability to run some Switch titles, but so much choice
I was hanging on for the higher-speed soldered RAM, but all talk of this appears to have disappeared…? The Australian tax year ends in 18 days. Need to make my mind up…
Please do an updated video now the AMD drivers are out and newer bios and Ratchet & Clank because this pc is amazing. I am getting 39 fps average with default on high and some settings very high with 1080p with fsr 2.1 on quality.
So we are finally at the stage that these boxes can run everything under the sun. Until Ps4 emulation kicks off that is. Would be interesting to see this kind of sustained performance in handhelds over the next 6 months or so.
It's pretty amazing. Even 2 years ago, running a small box that can do PS3 emulated, or PS4 PC ports at 1080p, would be incredible. Kinda crazy that in 2023, the Vita is still the best system for playing Vita, though.
The lack of customization means the price is a tad too high imho. In the EU you are encroaching on gaming laptop prices which will perform a lot better. A version with 16GB of Ram and maybe 512GB and no OS would be better as the pricencould be dropped by 200 euros or so paying about 600 euros total.
@@TakiUdon Thank you! Bad news for those of us that care about Undervolting since it's positive benefits are enormous (much more significant than overclocking). The Zen 4 Dragon Range Hx parts like the 7945Hx can easily be undervolted by AATU, pity that the Phoenix Apu's seemingly can't be undervolted at the moment..
@@TakiUdon I was shown screenshots on Reddit of UXTU working to undervolt the 7940Hs on the Asus Rog G14. So there is a chance that works for the Gtr7 and other devices with the Phoenix HS processors. I don't know if any of the U processors like the 7840u (or the Z1 Extreme) can be Undervolted though.
What is the device you are using in the first minute of the video? It looks like a switch running windows or a windows handheld with joycons? Im curious how thats running Stray if it's a switch or what device it is otherwise?
PCSX2/Dolphin 's TDP usage seems very high, is that because you fixed the gpu clock? And what is the closest dedicated gpu this can be compared with in real gaming usage due to the bandwidth deficit compared with a dGPU? a RX6400? Or a Geforce 1050ti? Saw a 5800h+RX6400 SFF PC on Taobao for a cheaper price than this new Beelink mini pc while still being relatively small size, wonder if that will give better performance than this.
It's because of the OC. Without taking drivers into consideration and the improvements to RDNA 3, I think 1050ti is reasonable. It should still beat this in some games, but it's close. I hope Ryzen 8000 can surpass a GTX 1060 because that would be nuts.
No, I have most of another video already filmed, but I wanted to include AYASPACE 2 in it. I thought they'd have a beta build on Monday of last week. That didn't end up happening.
Dunno why all these minipcs seem to cost as much or more than a laptop without a discrete gpu , when they don't have batteries or screens or input devices .... and on the subject of laptops, why, why do we have none that come out at a low cost and really exploit that rdna3 780m ? All of them with these chips have a nvidia gpu paired with them and a price to match... Just never going to be value products available again?
Laptops suck for some things. Try keeping one under your TV, running at full TDP. Might as well put a box fan with a led light strip. These plug in like they aren't even there. Laptops are nice laptops. Not sure why everyone compares laptops to MiniPCs. Or desktops for that matter. If you don't know why you need it, it's probably not for you.
@@Schmootle so, you didn't read my comment? Or didn't understand it? Or just ignored it projected your own thoughts on to it? How does anything you commented address the lack of affordable laptops that actually use the rdna3 igpus as their primary graphics? Or the absurd cost of these mini pcs using essentially off the shelf laptop parts, and then charging a premium for no screen or battery or input devices?
The IGPU in this chip is severely bandwidth limited. Even if LPDDR5 8500 MT/s was used it would still be pretty bandwidth limited. I wonder if AMD will address this in future top end APUs? If Strix Point(codename for Pheonix' successor) doesn't use a 256bit memory controller then IMO it doesn't make sense to make the IGPU stronger. Cache could help but it is a bandaid solution imo. RTX 4000 series gpus showed that when textures exceed cache size in some games and spills out into a bandwidth limited memory bus performance is reduced.
Ya, this loses in synth benchmarks to LPDDR5 by 100-200 points in Time Spy. It evens out when you are over 50W. We will know soon enough because Strix should hit engineering prototypes by the end of the year.
Was curious about switch emulation (totk especially, as it represents the latest 3D on it). Oh well nobody even dare to mention it, let alone showed it. I get it but i mean
I've got my 4090 desktop, but I keep a miniPC with 25000 emulated games (Smash Brawl etc) under the TV. I have another cheap box for party games like Jackbox and Towerfall when friends come over, or for easy carry to their house to hook to TV. Different boxes for different purposes. I have a 3rd miniPC with an n100 I got for around $160 that's running 3 game servers at the same time for me and my family (+friends, port forwarded). Takes up almost no space on the router shelf.
@@Schmootlethis is exactly the setup I'm going for... I just can't decide on a mini pc. Almost ordered a um790 pro on Amazon but right when I went to, it ran out of stock.. So back to the board again 😭
@@timestamp3919 oh god, you're like pulling teeth, I was making a point that people want everything to be amazing and also cheap, as a person that designs and makes products for a mass market, its very expensive to make these things and everyone thinks they should be cheap as chips....
Flawless Vita emulation 09:13 😂
What game was that
@@timestamp3919 Uncharted: Golden Abyss, of course. 😂
TH-cam poop via 2012
@@moralesjourneyman Unpasta: Stringy Abyss
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 accurate lmao
The fact that you can pick this up for under $800 with a terabyte of storage and 32 GB of RAM is awesome
@Alexander Rapp That's great but this is not a regular PC this is a mini PC The form factor is what you're paying for I already own high-end PCs that's not what this is for
is it? i got an asus gaming laptop with 16gb ram (upgradeable to 32 if i want) 1TB SSD ryzen 5900hs CPU and nvidia rtx 3060 for about 850 and it shits on this mini pc lol this seems like a waste of money
@@deadassbeats1925 Yes compared to the market
Nerds
@@deadassbeats1925where?? Please send a link, I was looking for a laptop
Hey Taki,
I would like to express my appreciation for this video and review of the GTR7 mini PC. As someone who has pre-ordered this device, I would greatly appreciate your guidance in setting up and configuring this unique product.
I was particularly interested in your discussion of APU overclocking, and would be grateful if you could provide me with a detailed guide on this feature. Additionally, any other tips or best practices for setting up and optimizing the GTR7 would be highly valued.
Thank you in advance for your time and expertise. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Finally got a chance to answer this. This thing has a base TDP of 65W with the boost that they applied in the BIOS. At that level, you will have no problems reaching the max GPU clock and you will have close to full CPU clocks. If you stay with that TDP, the device will almost be silent. You start getting diminishing returns with this processor over 35W, but it's not an issue on a mini PC.
I would do a 5 or 10W boost over the 65W as long as the fan noise doesn't bother you (it will go from dead quiet to making some noise). I would also overclock the GPU to at least 2.9GHz, especially for emulation. The tool that I used to do this is an internal engineering tool from AMD, but you can do the same things with some open source tools that exist. You're going to want to use something like Universal x86 Tuning Utility, but Handheld Control Panel from Project SBC has other useful features. These have a GUI and will be easy for you to see how to adjust what I am talking about. I've linked them below. Outside of that, there's no tuning that you'll need to do. The stock settings were great on this and the lower TDP benchmarks lined up exactly with other processors from this series. The only thing that you may need to do is adjust the UMA size in the future, but this will only need to be done if a game crashes and tells you it ran out of video memory.
github.com/JamesCJ60/Universal-x86-Tuning-Utility
github.com/project-sbc/Handheld-Control-Panel
@@TakiUdon Thank you Taki once again for your kindness and time. 🌷👍🏼
Quick note that anyone that picks this up should ask Beelink for the updated firmware. I had a couple of reboots before it but now it's rock solid. (firmware date 6/13)
I have to wonder how Beelink is getting these out so far ahead of the major laptop companies. Not complaining, I love getting little machines like this with big gaming grunt, but it is annoying that I can't get a sub-notebook with this chip yet.
Right? I'd love a machine with one but I'd prefer a laptop just for portability
And, I wish I could get a laptop with one WITHOUT a dgpu
Its always a fucking nvidia chip and I don't want a fucking nvidia chip or any dGPU
Aaand when they put them in laptops they will pair the APU with a 4060, making the entire thing pointless. Just like they did with the 7735hs
This wireless hdmi tech makes me excited for gaming on AR glasses fully wirelessly in the future.
I feel like now that we have the ROG Ally at 599.99 these kind of devices will be a bit harder for me to buy for just emulation/light gaming. That said for only $180 more you get more iO, the ability to use an EGPU, Double the ram and double the HDD space. These days I can't live without 32GB of ram. That said I'll probably either get the Ally or wait for the Beelink SER those are usually cheaper and go on sale often.
Steam Deck 2 is going to have some high expectations with all the recent competition.
very different kind of device and almost half the price..
This is a mini PC...
Some people just can't help but find any excuse to talk about the steam deck
USB 4 is a big one for EGPU
Im more interested on that screen
th-cam.com/video/8ulecLjBlng/w-d-xo.html
He made a video 6 months ago
What's that screen? Is it a Switch to which you're somehow streaming the image, or is it a wireless screen in the form factor of a Switch? I'm confused 😅
Same confusion
A comparison between 7940HS, 7840HS & 7840U would be nice, as they only differ in Clocks, Power Consumption and Price range.
From what I can see, 7840HS and 7840U are the same chip, but CPU performance is better on this at very high TDP (even when 7840U is at the same TDP). You can almost turn a 7840HS into a 7940 by overclocking the GPU like I did here, but you can't do that for the CPU.
They will perform the similarly with the same TDP
Avoid buying ryzen 9 7940hs, only slightly better and it has 8 cores like the ryzen 7 7840hs
@@TakiUdon Do you mean AMD 7940HS can overclock the cpu while the 7840HS cant?
Can you do a video with this with an EGPU through the USB4 port?
I bought into 7735hs too late, didnt realize the 7480 etc would be released so soon after for only $100 more. As an emulation box, though, it doesnt really make much difference, even up to ps3.
Ah man, every time i am about to dive in, another option arrives giving pause for thought! Upscaled emulation up to ps2, ability to run some Switch titles, but so much choice
This system is getting A LOT of play in the past 3 days lol. It's nice!
Finally. The end all be all is here! No need for any other releases! Make them go away LOL
bro, tell me more about the display! 😀
10:59 Tasty transitions haha
I was hanging on for the higher-speed soldered RAM, but all talk of this appears to have disappeared…?
The Australian tax year ends in 18 days. Need to make my mind up…
Please do an updated video now the AMD drivers are out and newer bios and Ratchet & Clank because this pc is amazing. I am getting 39 fps average with default on high and some settings very high with 1080p with fsr 2.1 on quality.
The only question I have left is, does it support eGPU?
yes full egpu usage
ahhh i should have gotten the gtr instead of the regular ser 7. these few watts extra seem to do a lot there
The audio editing on this is so patchy I thought my Bluetooth headset was having connection issues
In the Video, it says CPU is 7840U but everywhere else it says 7840HS
That's a typo, but they are essentially the same processor. Good catch.
I know I'm pretty new but how did he make this configuration look like a switch
wireless screen
Whats up with the games on the Nintendo switch screen? We're you streaming to it? Did I miss something?
is that the modded oled switch?
So we are finally at the stage that these boxes can run everything under the sun. Until Ps4 emulation kicks off that is. Would be interesting to see this kind of sustained performance in handhelds over the next 6 months or so.
Once something can emulate PS4 that's gonna be crazy. If we can get playable performance on something in a few years from now that'd be incredible.
Aren't most PS4 games coming to PC anyway?
@@theviniso They already are almost all on PC already. All we're missing is Bloodborne.
It's pretty amazing. Even 2 years ago, running a small box that can do PS3 emulated, or PS4 PC ports at 1080p, would be incredible.
Kinda crazy that in 2023, the Vita is still the best system for playing Vita, though.
That's a powerhouse, but what is that screen? I've been after something like that for a while.
Can you just switch this on and play it once you have downloaded a game?
the display u use is look like Nintendo switch where do i buy it ?
Not sure why they went for that type of power connector.
Emulations are awesome My favourite are 3ds citra, GameCube/Wii dolphin, pcs3, DS desume and mgba. Can i really emulation My Nintendo switch? 🎮
I own the gtr7pro and Happy but some issuse with ddr5 RAM and Crashes at gaming...
Why no Switch emulation? I really wanna see the harder Switch games.
When companies tell you not to take something apart, it's usually because they're trying to hide shotty craftmenship and you SHOULD take it apart >.>
Are sure that 100W power supply is enough for 80W tdp? Even at 65W it can use up to 94W (ETA Prime's video)
Where did you get the wireless screen?
PeakDo sells it.
Hi @TakiUdon can you please confirm Type c PD power on this mini pc
This is very convenient and office stuff 😊
What is the screen
What kind of screen is that
Like portable hdmi screen
The lack of customization means the price is a tad too high imho. In the EU you are encroaching on gaming laptop prices which will perform a lot better. A version with 16GB of Ram and maybe 512GB and no OS would be better as the pricencould be dropped by 200 euros or so paying about 600 euros total.
What about Undervolting the Phoenix Apu? Does AATU (Amd Apu Tuning Utility) work for it?
It doesn't.
@@TakiUdon Thank you! Bad news for those of us that care about Undervolting since it's positive benefits are enormous (much more significant than overclocking). The Zen 4 Dragon Range Hx parts like the 7945Hx can easily be undervolted by AATU, pity that the Phoenix Apu's seemingly can't be undervolted at the moment..
@@TakiUdon I was shown screenshots on Reddit of UXTU working to undervolt the 7940Hs on the Asus Rog G14. So there is a chance that works for the Gtr7 and other devices with the Phoenix HS processors. I don't know if any of the U processors like the 7840u (or the Z1 Extreme) can be Undervolted though.
Also GizmoSlipTech has livestreams of the 7940HS being Undervolted on things like the Zephyrus G14 using UXTU.
I wonder if the pci supports eGpu
What is the device you are using in the first minute of the video? It looks like a switch running windows or a windows handheld with joycons? Im curious how thats running Stray if it's a switch or what device it is otherwise?
PCSX2/Dolphin 's TDP usage seems very high, is that because you fixed the gpu clock?
And what is the closest dedicated gpu this can be compared with in real gaming usage due to the bandwidth deficit compared with a dGPU? a RX6400? Or a Geforce 1050ti?
Saw a 5800h+RX6400 SFF PC on Taobao for a cheaper price than this new Beelink mini pc while still being relatively small size, wonder if that will give better performance than this.
It's because of the OC. Without taking drivers into consideration and the improvements to RDNA 3, I think 1050ti is reasonable. It should still beat this in some games, but it's close. I hope Ryzen 8000 can surpass a GTX 1060 because that would be nuts.
Has anyone done race sim on this machine?
Taki, please use chapter markers.
You should overclock the ram instead for more gpu score
What is that wireless hdmi screen you are using?
Wonder would GranTurismo from PS3 run on this?
So you’re done with the aya neo 2s videos?
No, I have most of another video already filmed, but I wanted to include AYASPACE 2 in it. I thought they'd have a beta build on Monday of last week. That didn't end up happening.
Hi want to know you using what software to overclock and up the tdp?
I used an AMD engineering tool called System Deck. You can do the same things with Ryzen Adj.
Dunno why all these minipcs seem to cost as much or more than a laptop without a discrete gpu , when they don't have batteries or screens or input devices .... and on the subject of laptops, why, why do we have none that come out at a low cost and really exploit that rdna3 780m ? All of them with these chips have a nvidia gpu paired with them and a price to match... Just never going to be value products available again?
Laptops suck for some things. Try keeping one under your TV, running at full TDP. Might as well put a box fan with a led light strip. These plug in like they aren't even there.
Laptops are nice laptops. Not sure why everyone compares laptops to MiniPCs. Or desktops for that matter. If you don't know why you need it, it's probably not for you.
@@Schmootle so, you didn't read my comment? Or didn't understand it? Or just ignored it projected your own thoughts on to it? How does anything you commented address the lack of affordable laptops that actually use the rdna3 igpus as their primary graphics? Or the absurd cost of these mini pcs using essentially off the shelf laptop parts, and then charging a premium for no screen or battery or input devices?
Is there any mini PC’s out there that can run upscaled resolution Swltch stuff yet?
Are you using a switch like an external monitor? How did you do that?? 😮🎉
It's a wireless screen from Peakdo. The controllers are Joycons connected to the PC.
Imagine 720p gaming on this.
I have 7735HS with RDNA2 and I don't think it's much different than this, BTW what software do you use to check the games FPS? Thanks
MSI After Burner is the software
soooooo early. Hi taki Meow
I have pc with 7735hs with radeon 680m. Should i upgrade to this? @TakiUdon
Not seeing why somebody would buy one of these now, when can get an Ally for less,that is also standalone portable.
The IGPU in this chip is severely bandwidth limited. Even if LPDDR5 8500 MT/s was used it would still be pretty bandwidth limited. I wonder if AMD will address this in future top end APUs? If Strix Point(codename for Pheonix' successor) doesn't use a 256bit memory controller then IMO it doesn't make sense to make the IGPU stronger. Cache could help but it is a bandaid solution imo. RTX 4000 series gpus showed that when textures exceed cache size in some games and spills out into a bandwidth limited memory bus performance is reduced.
Ya, this loses in synth benchmarks to LPDDR5 by 100-200 points in Time Spy. It evens out when you are over 50W. We will know soon enough because Strix should hit engineering prototypes by the end of the year.
@@TakiUdon Strix Halo is gonna be awesome
Wow, i finally don't need a dedicated gpu 🤡
I would like to see infamous 2, and motorstorm pacific rift run on it....
Lol, maybe by Ryzen 10000.
@@TakiUdon Are some PS3 games just never going to run well?
@@TakiUdon 😅
the only problem is the price for 800 usd, you can assemble a better pc
Hey bro, someone else on YT stole you entire Aya Kun video. Just thought I’d let you know
link?
Found it, thanks.
how to overclock 7840h？？ anyone konw？
thats a little more affordable than the gtr i was looking at buying 😭😭
How have Nvidia not gone all in on an APU with DLSS 🤦🏻♂
They don't have a x86 license. The only can do a arm one, switch 2 probably will get it
Thanks for the gpu market sleeping 10+ years our wake up clocks can do 2023 AAA games
Screen is a Peakdo.
Just buy yeah
My brother and Christ I thought that’s was Nintendo switch oled
nice
Its a great mini pc but they should adress the high temperature that those 5600mhz ram reaches, almost 100°c on full load.
Really??? That's insane
Was curious about switch emulation (totk especially, as it represents the latest 3D on it). Oh well nobody even dare to mention it, let alone showed it. I get it but i mean
Check the end of the video.
Yeah it's nice but £750 that's a lot of money
don't get the appeal of mini pc. No need for a cute set up on my desk. I want a beast
I've got my 4090 desktop, but I keep a miniPC with 25000 emulated games (Smash Brawl etc) under the TV. I have another cheap box for party games like Jackbox and Towerfall when friends come over, or for easy carry to their house to hook to TV. Different boxes for different purposes.
I have a 3rd miniPC with an n100 I got for around $160 that's running 3 game servers at the same time for me and my family (+friends, port forwarded). Takes up almost no space on the router shelf.
@@Schmootlethis is exactly the setup I'm going for... I just can't decide on a mini pc. Almost ordered a um790 pro on Amazon but right when I went to, it ran out of stock.. So back to the board again 😭
Dude what's with the misleading thumbnail. You're better than that
What are you talking about? Everything in the thumbnail is in this video.
@@TakiUdon I think they mean the stary on the switch
Almost $800 plus tax? 🤣🤣🤣
Why you laughing, why does everyone think these things should be cheap...edited for the low intelligence users of TH-cam
Would only make some sense at $499.
@@mbjac Math may not be your strong suit, but nearly 900 is far from 100, little buddy.
32gb+1tb 680 usd after discount at aliexpress..also i dont need to pay tax..use special line to send it..
@@timestamp3919 oh god, you're like pulling teeth, I was making a point that people want everything to be amazing and also cheap, as a person that designs and makes products for a mass market, its very expensive to make these things and everyone thinks they should be cheap as chips....
Runs like crap. Avoid like the plague.
emulating switch on PC is illegal and an evil in the industry
🧢
Its $800. No thanks. Moving on..
Whats the wireless hdmi screen you're using?
May I ask what HDMI wireless screen you are using?