Opening: Wave 1: Aerith: Arcane Ward -> Cloud Cloud: ATB Boost, Thundaga Aerith: ATB Boost, Aeroga Cloud: Power Clear (Synergy Skill) until 2 atb Cloud: Thundaga (Arcane Ward) Tifa: Blizaga Cloud: Synergy Ability - Firework Blade Wave 2: Same, BUT don't switch off aerith until arcane ward is placed Wave 3 Notes: Cloud first Thundaga, Right arm Aerith Aeroga, Left Arm Cloud: hold square to close gap, tap square for 3 attacks, block and wait for 2 atb Cloud Thundaga, odin Cloud: Power Cleave x2? get 2 atb Aerith: Place second Arcane ward -> cloud Cloud Thundaga, odin // Power cleave // Thundara odin Wave 4 Notes. Normal start BUT Firaga from Aerith and Tifa instead of aeroga/blizzaga At stagger waiting for tifa Firaga, spam spellblade (cloud synergy skill) to boost tifa Synergy, firework blade Tifa, spam square until two atb, // jump to arcane ward // firaga Cloud: back to arcane ward // thundaga Tifa: Synergy Ability, Relentless Rush Aerith: spam square until stagger // Limit level 2 Wave 5 Notes: Same opening BUT aerith use Firaga Cloud: 2x Power Cleave Tifa: go to arcane ward to cast firaga Cloud: Powercleave (Synergy Skill) even with 2atb (gives aerith atb) Cloud: Firaga Aerith: Synergy Skill Spellbound Blast (wait until after sephiroth lands from firaga to keep stunlocked) Aerith: Ward shift, Firaga Cloud: Spam square until phase pused and have 2 atb Cloud: Snergy Ability: Firework Blade Tifa: Spam square until stagger + 2 atb // Blizzaga Cloud: Spam spellbound blade to boost tifa If needed: Cloud: Thundaga Aerith: Aerora Synergy Ability: Devine Punishment
@@SatsuiMCOC I appreciate you taking the time to make the video. Still think its important to watch. Read steps, watch video, and then read steps as you play using the touchpad to pause the game while you update what to do next.
I am beating chapter 12 on hard mode so far. I plan on doing the rest of Chadley's challenges after that. I tried Cloud vs the warriors several times, finally got past that wolf, then got instant koed by the next enemy lol @SatsuiMCOC
This God damn game is like: hey you like bullshit battle, here's Odin and Alexander again and 5 battles with King Zu. Swear to God I hate that fucking bird.
Cant lie NONE of the fights have gone this way for me. Never get Phoenix n Kujata close together like that. Always able to rebirth flame. Always get hit before i can even hit with a power cleave a 2nd time then cloud dies. Furthest I've made it with this is odin alexander 🤷🏽♂️
After almost three days practicing, I’ve been able to consistently get as far as Gilgamesh. Unfortunately he always ends up stun-locking me. Sometimes if I get lucky and beat him, I’m not quick enough with the mechanics to take down Sephiroth.
You’re almost there. The trick for sephiroth is to pull off the rotation quickly so he doesn’t have time to bind you with shadowy chains. Oh and release the power cleaves and magic cleaves on time too… too early and it messes up the timing
Its solid build, but the real main mistake is when your targeting a single target no need to Magnify. It only serves to reduce your total DPS, two bosses Gilgamesh and Sephiroth would have been defeated if you had turned off with L1 the magnify effect.
This is incredibly helpful! After WEEKS, I'm finally on Rulers of the Outer World. I may replace Thundaga with Quaga but this video just made me realize I have not been utilizing Synergy skills. I chose to hold off on hard mode until I get the Götterdämmerung. I'm feeling pretty confident now. Thank you!
There’s an extra wind materia on Aerith. It’s not linked to anything, so you could replace it with something useful. Rather than one of the auto-casts it’s probably more damage to use magic focus linked to wind, though.
Oh yes, perhaps but I prefer placing one mahic focus on cloud and tifa as they would be the main damage dealers in terms of frequency of attacks and genji gloves respectively. Probably another auto cast on Aerith for more magic damage. Maybe a luck up to make it more likely she’ll crit.
Yeh sadly this may work 1 in a hundred runs, nearly every run the mobs do something different to whats in the video and you wipe before you can finish the first rotation, worst sill even if you get kijata and phoenix down the next battle has to go almost exactly the same way or again you get interrupted and game over again. I also think they secretly upped the difficulty again in the recent patch
So I can get through Kujata and Phoenix with this build, though nowhere near as quick as Kujata often interrupts Aerith. I can get through Bahamut and Titan most times, but Odin and Alexander I just have no shot. I go into tactical the second it starts, I can NEVER get thundaga off without being interrupted and then Odin runs off and won’t get hit by magnified spells and the run is ruined. Sometimes I dodge Odin and then go back to the arcane ward, but again he usually runs off. I’m considering just giving up and trying a different build unless you have advice?
I think you’ll have to straight away go into Arcane ward at the start during tactical. You could try placing Thundaga on cloud as a shortcut to activate it immediately after the arcane ward has been placed and you’ve switched back to him. While casting Thundaga he won’t be interrupted.
Thanks for your reply. I have managed to get to mostly being able to cast thundaga. I tried the shortcut but because I can’t pick the target it doesn’t work quite right. The main problem I’m having now is that Cloud gets an ATB boost in your video immediately after Aerith casts Aeroga, but when I do it he never gets the boost. Presuming it’s ATB assist doing that and unsure why it’s not working for me.
@@725Chrisj oh yes, the ATB assist on Aerith is giving him that extra bit; after casting Arcane ward and then switching back to her for an ATB boost then -ga magic, she’ll give all party members ATB if done quickly enough
Finally killed Phoenix before the bull got up . But when I use power cleave I get no atb which takes me longer to build atb which messes your whole strat.
I figured trick for first fight you have to target pheonix with Magnified Thundaga so he gets stunned ahead few milliseconds before he could drag Aerith away. That being said, Kujata somehow lives with like 1% HP and run fails, sometimes pheonix blizzaga attack gets blocked by kujata body
I’m very good but for the life of me can’t knock out Phoenix before he wakes up the bull . Two three level commands after he dies .?! What am I doing wrong ?
5:00 for my use (trying again, like the speed and switch up) it may be good to practice rotation on a single full might summon to get it down a bit before i go into rulers (note to self)
@@SatsuiMCOC yeah, i followed this hit him with thundaga, went to build up ATB with spell or cleave (can't remember) and he just went bonkers and threw me in air and then trampled me haha! Happened three times in a row where he got hit but just seemed to run through it, weirdly, phoenix seemed like it was stunned as it didn't cast it's opening fire magic attack
@@infinitestrengthcoach3522 is your Thundaga magnified and linked to swift cast? Also when building ATB make sure Kujata is stunned by the Aeroga cast by Aerith. You have to do these 2 back to back to give yourself an opening to charge power cleave.
I agree I followed this guide to the T with exact build max everything and made the exact same moves shown and Kujata just ignores everything and plows right through. I don't get it
He won’t usually push you around, neither will phoenix. The key is speed in setting up the rotation. In fact as you saw in the video you would want phoenix to come into contact with Aerith just as she’s about to fire off the magnified aeroga. So that both get hit by multiple blasts
At 4:59 Cloud and Tifa get a boost as Aerith is doing Aeroga. What am I missing that gives them that boost because Cloud is empty as I'm starting Power Cleave?
I would say healing is a waste of materia slots as you wanna basically use this to burst down the bosses with minimal fuss. The damage you’ll be taking will not kill you in most instances. Rather it might be helpful to place materia that allows you to perfect parry more easily on tifa just in case sephiroth doesn’t play ball. She can solo him with unfettered fury at max level due to how quickly she can build ATB with her bnb rotation.
Aerith keeps using auto attack as soon as the battle starts, so she ends up using Arcane Ward too late. Is there any way to fix this besides hitting the button at just the right time?
To the best of my knowledge Aerith has a low chance of acting like that; a bit of RNG is involved. But you can work around it by following what I shared in the guide.
Try to remove her shortcuts in the main menu where you can assign shortcuts. The moment you add auto weapon ability the characters use it and your atb vanishes. This is what happened to me when i was about to use tifa the atb got vanished
Amazing build. But im really stuggling still! Doing it as stated. Just dont seem to be doing as much damage. Anyone able to hop in my game and help! 🤣❤️
I have done exactly what you do and it doesn’t work! Kujata immediately jumps up into the arcane ward immediately and even though I can get a swift cast off with cloud I can’t get the Aero off with Aerith fast enough before she gets knocked off her spell. Seems like they have the AI working different than some of your videos.
Thanks for describing what you’re facing. It seems that the reason Aerith is getting knocked out of her spell is you might be a bit slow in transitioning from cloud back to Aerith after he casts thundaga. Once Aerith casts ATB boost and then Aeroga she shouldn’t get knocked out of it as ga spells can never be interrupted. As I was putting this guide together I experienced all sorts of AI, and it will work every time. Don’t give up, practice makes perfect.
Buddy, no disrespect, I appreciate your tenacity, but learning this method is as hard as beating the challenges themselves. I can’t even make headway in round one before my fighters are pushed around the arena like air hockey pucks.
Based on the feedback I shall release another video soon on how to adapt to variations in the AI with the same build and method. For fights 1-3 the same rotation will definitely work. Just takes a bit of practice, but more importantly knowing how to adapt if the AI starts to misbehave. I would know as when I made this guide I pretty much experienced all variations of AI.
This is just really annoying for me personally. Most of the time (not always), the Phoenix will do an animation that "drags" Aerith across the battlefield as she's casting the arcane ward. Not a skill issue as I can execute with the same accuracy as this & other videos but can be a little misleading with the game's "rng" or whatever. I also usually get hit with the Ferocious Roar from Kujata before Aerith's able to cast her Aeroga which also complicates or ruins what could have been a smooth run.
Yeah fuck this game and the developers. Happy other people were able to make it work. I had the same lead, pieced together 99% of Valkyrie's video myself. When I went to double ATB boost with Aerith her gauge wasn't maxed out. Tired of this game's bullshit and the community's consistent dickriding. When the trending way of succeeding these challenges is to spam brumal form yuffie, I could give a rat's ass about whatever arguments to or for this game's combat system because it screams mindless fuckery and that's exactly why they can rot in a sewer for this bullshit. Venting online is slightly therapeutic but I do hope that everyone else has an amazing day !
Having the same issue with Phoenix, I dunno how this guy is able to pull off the commands so fast 🤷♂️ will keep trying but these challenges are way more annoying than Remakes.
@@xRoycexI feel ya frustration. That’s why I also play only using tactical mode as I’m well aware of my own limitations in using only real time shortcuts for boss fights. I would say practice makes perfect and you’ll be able to build up muscle memory to overcome the difficulties you’re facing bro!
Took a 45 min detour to get the ATK TO MATK materia to try this but unfortunately after an hour of attempts I couldn't replicate this. Once you let Phoenix rez it's pretty much a bricked run
Don’t sweat it, if phoenix resurrects you can just switch to cloud to focus on killing Kujata with thundagas. After phoenix is fair game once more. The part about killing phoenix early is that you just save time on the run.
@@SatsuiMCOC seems ATB starved afterwards would you continue to Power Cleave/Spell Blade? I think theres lots of nuance in what you executed - you just made it look easy 😝
This was my idea to defeat the double summons in gilgamesh's island. But i did it with yuffie and just wond magic on all of them. Elemental fire on armor But you did it way better 😂 😂 The synergy skills are useful.
@@SatsuiMCOC it was kind of cool, I started realizing the summons are weak to wind. Then aga spell cost 2 atb while AP farming i started using spell blade and cleavage. Then they kick my ass.. I was like wait a minute..... If i do this and this.. But no aerith.. Too slow
I'm sorry but I can't even get past the first fight with this build (I was getting to Sephiroth with a different one). My Kujata is WAY more aggressive, he simply will not let Aerith alone to cast her spells, nor let Cloud use Power Cleave twice... not to mention Phoenix carrying someone away from the fight by simply flying towards them. I don't understand how you got them to just sit there and take it.
Don’t worry about them not aligning up properly for maximum damage at the set start. As long as you are able to fire off the rotation fast enough you will be able to prevent phoenix from flying pushing you around the arena. To get 2x power cleave, make sure to hit kujata while he’s stun locked by the magnified aeoroga, and just whittle down the rest of his hp with more thundagas and attacks from Cloud. Once he’s dead immediately, and I mean immediately target phoenix with a Blizzaga from Tifa to prevent rebirth flames. The fight may just a bit longer if they don’t align but you’ll still finish this pretty quickly.
I've tried this one , and only got lucky to defeat gilgamesh, then ended dead on Sephiroth. not sure why but sometimes alexander always like to go on the other side and I miss the aeroga, this might be an rng on the summons, but i will still keep doing this one until I can finish this fight
The Bonds of Friendship Legendary Bout with Cloud and Zack can be an absolute nightmare and was the Bane Of my Existence for a couple of days. That one Combat Sim forces you to get very good and very fast in order to beat it.
Honestly this is way too advanced for average gamers. I have been trying to do this, but I can’t get past the first wave either - I’ve been practicing but it just doesn’t work for me
This build just doesn’t work for me at all Can’t even get past Kujata and Phoenix which is usually the one battle that you can’t die on at all Thanks for the effort though
To one shot Phoenix and Kujata back to back you’ll need to immediately fire off a blizzaga once kujata is down. If you can’t kill kujata in the first few seconds, don’t worry just keep in attacking him and parry or avoid his attacks. Phoenix will also heal you with flame attacks if you do get hit. Then once Kujata is down, a properly timed blizzaga will kill Phoenix as well. This fight will just last longer, that’s all.
I can't seem to do this no matter what. I tried your build, just barely got to the odin fight with very little mp to get me any further. :/ I don't have genji gloves either unfortunately, and my materia aren't all fully levelled up. But I am lv70 for all characters. Not sure if that's why. Also, I've been using power cleave and spell blade for the first time in these fights, but they seem really slow for aerith and tifa to aid, and then the wind up. I'm not a skilled 'realtime' player, I always use command list.
Your assessment is spot on. You need to follow the build to the letter in terms of having Genji for more damage output from firaga, and also all relevant materia must be maxed out for full potency. Keep practice using power cleave and spell blade, they are the best way to build ATB for both party members (you’ll gain around a bar on avg if you do it on staggered enemies like in the video, on non-staggered it’s also quite fast).
@@SatsuiMCOC thanks- that was the furthest I got in the 'rulers of the outer worlds' round. None of the other simulations are close to this hard. Really struggling with this and White Terror for the Cloud solo.
@@88killerific Farrm the bees in the white cat quest (chapter 13; reset sidequest progress) before trying this. You really need the fully maxed materia. These fights are the hardest challenges in the game, you won't need those maxed out materia more in any other situation, might a well get them now and save yourself some pain.
Not Even getting close to beating the first wave. I use the Thundaga immediately, followed by Aeroga and then Thundaga which Kujata is half alive then goes ham on me
To avoid the aggro on Aerith at the start of the second battle, why don’t you use Aerith as your party leader??? You’re already switching to her anyways to start battles. This would prevent the AI from auto attacking.
Well there’s a good reason. With her as party leader she will most often than not get hit and that’ll interrupt her casting actions which means you’ve gotta reset. Especially in fights against Gilgamesh and Bahamut, if he gets in your face at the start that’s it. She’s gonna get hit and your other party members are gonna be running away out of the arcane ward. Tried to get it to work but no matter how u adapt it’s never a good outcome.
@@SatsuiMCOC i managed to fight sephiroth, i cannot stress him like you do, It seems I don t ever have enough atb to spam magics… while gilgamesh is completely rng if he charges against the group the fight is fucked up
Yes it is, all credit goes to Valkyrie. I took this opportunity to break it down for tactical mode and to also show the Materia build he used. Only difference is he did his at max weapon level for increased damage as his was a speed run, while I did mine using tactical mode at a much more comfortable pace. His method is highly reproducible for normal folks like us in tactical mode and can be applied to a myriad of situations too.
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Materia List: (Each wave's moves list as first comment)
Lightning x4
Fire x3
Ice
Wind x2
Lightning + Wind
Swift Cast
Magnify x3
Elemental x3
Magic Focus x2
MP Absoprtion x2
ATB Boost x2
First Strike x2
ATB Assist
Magic Up
Str Up
ATB Stagger
Atk to MATK
Enemy Skill
Autocast x4
Auto-weap ability x3
Thanks my dude! Gonna pin this for those who don’t want to hear me rambling on about the build and just wanna see it in action
Opening:
Wave 1:
Aerith: Arcane Ward -> Cloud
Cloud: ATB Boost, Thundaga
Aerith: ATB Boost, Aeroga
Cloud: Power Clear (Synergy Skill) until 2 atb
Cloud: Thundaga (Arcane Ward)
Tifa: Blizaga
Cloud: Synergy Ability - Firework Blade
Wave 2:
Same, BUT don't switch off aerith until arcane ward is placed
Wave 3 Notes:
Cloud first Thundaga, Right arm
Aerith Aeroga, Left Arm
Cloud: hold square to close gap, tap square for 3 attacks, block and wait for 2 atb
Cloud Thundaga, odin
Cloud: Power Cleave x2? get 2 atb
Aerith: Place second Arcane ward -> cloud
Cloud Thundaga, odin // Power cleave // Thundara odin
Wave 4 Notes.
Normal start BUT Firaga from Aerith and Tifa instead of aeroga/blizzaga
At stagger waiting for tifa Firaga, spam spellblade (cloud synergy skill) to boost tifa
Synergy, firework blade
Tifa, spam square until two atb, // jump to arcane ward // firaga
Cloud: back to arcane ward // thundaga
Tifa: Synergy Ability, Relentless Rush
Aerith: spam square until stagger // Limit level 2
Wave 5 Notes:
Same opening BUT aerith use Firaga
Cloud: 2x Power Cleave
Tifa: go to arcane ward to cast firaga
Cloud: Powercleave (Synergy Skill) even with 2atb (gives aerith atb)
Cloud: Firaga
Aerith: Synergy Skill Spellbound Blast (wait until after sephiroth lands from firaga to keep stunlocked)
Aerith: Ward shift, Firaga
Cloud: Spam square until phase pused and have 2 atb
Cloud: Snergy Ability: Firework Blade
Tifa: Spam square until stagger + 2 atb // Blizzaga
Cloud: Spam spellbound blade to boost tifa
If needed:
Cloud: Thundaga
Aerith: Aerora
Synergy Ability: Devine Punishment
@@SatsuiMCOC I appreciate you taking the time to make the video. Still think its important to watch. Read steps, watch video, and then read steps as you play using the touchpad to pause the game while you update what to do next.
@@damcracindeed, it takes time to build up muscle memory
I am beating chapter 12 on hard mode so far. I plan on doing the rest of Chadley's challenges after that. I tried Cloud vs the warriors several times, finally got past that wolf, then got instant koed by the next enemy lol @SatsuiMCOC
This God damn game is like: hey you like bullshit battle, here's Odin and Alexander again and 5 battles with King Zu. Swear to God I hate that fucking bird.
😂😂 the zu was poping up a lot
if you put fire and elemental linked on your defense king zu can't do much to you
Cant lie NONE of the fights have gone this way for me. Never get Phoenix n Kujata close together like that. Always able to rebirth flame. Always get hit before i can even hit with a power cleave a 2nd time then cloud dies. Furthest I've made it with this is odin alexander 🤷🏽♂️
After almost three days practicing, I’ve been able to consistently get as far as Gilgamesh. Unfortunately he always ends up stun-locking me. Sometimes if I get lucky and beat him, I’m not quick enough with the mechanics to take down Sephiroth.
You’re almost there. The trick for sephiroth is to pull off the rotation quickly so he doesn’t have time to bind you with shadowy chains. Oh and release the power cleaves and magic cleaves on time too… too early and it messes up the timing
Its solid build, but the real main mistake is when your targeting a single target no need to Magnify. It only serves to reduce your total DPS, two bosses Gilgamesh and Sephiroth would have been defeated if you had turned off with L1 the magnify effect.
Good call, just got caught up in the fight so I forgot to boost damage by turning off mag!
Yes and no, there’s actually some really decent splash damage. So much so, that as long as they are close together it’s well worth it
@@Broadmoore Still splash damage on unmag spells if the bosses are reaally close
I wonder if there's room for magnified healing just in case
@@Broadmoore Against the Solo bosses no point, its 1V1 against Gilgamesh and Sephiroth.
It’s cool seeing people’s different strategies.
This is incredibly helpful! After WEEKS, I'm finally on Rulers of the Outer World. I may replace Thundaga with Quaga but this video just made me realize I have not been utilizing Synergy skills. I chose to hold off on hard mode until I get the Götterdämmerung. I'm feeling pretty confident now. Thank you!
Good on ya bro! Go get ‘em!
I beat hard mode without it it’s insane though. This is the one that has me stuck
Tried for 2 hours but didn't work. I think they updated the AI and made them stronger and more aggressive
can’t wait to try this out.
This build for this fight does not work for me, like using the set up to the tea and i can never get it
I have most of the materia and equip, and practiced this approach ...i think its not dor me but cool to watch and try
There’s an extra wind materia on Aerith. It’s not linked to anything, so you could replace it with something useful. Rather than one of the auto-casts it’s probably more damage to use magic focus linked to wind, though.
Oh yes, perhaps but I prefer placing one mahic focus on cloud and tifa as they would be the main damage dealers in terms of frequency of attacks and genji gloves respectively. Probably another auto cast on Aerith for more magic damage. Maybe a luck up to make it more likely she’ll crit.
Very nice! I'll definitely try!
But how do i level up the weapons?
Weapons should level up as you progress and clear side missions.
Yeh sadly this may work 1 in a hundred runs, nearly every run the mobs do something different to whats in the video and you wipe before you can finish the first rotation, worst sill even if you get kijata and phoenix down the next battle has to go almost exactly the same way or again you get interrupted and game over again. I also think they secretly upped the difficulty again in the recent patch
Especially with the 2nd fight they just pile up on the ward i get further without Aerith
Been trying brumal form spam for weeks now. Seperoth and those chains get me every time. I got to save this one and try it.
Have at it! It’s a really fun way to thrash these bosses!
I haven't been using power cleave and spell blade at all.
It’s worth a shot, don’t sleep on it 😉
So I can get through Kujata and Phoenix with this build, though nowhere near as quick as Kujata often interrupts Aerith. I can get through Bahamut and Titan most times, but Odin and Alexander I just have no shot. I go into tactical the second it starts, I can NEVER get thundaga off without being interrupted and then Odin runs off and won’t get hit by magnified spells and the run is ruined. Sometimes I dodge Odin and then go back to the arcane ward, but again he usually runs off. I’m considering just giving up and trying a different build unless you have advice?
I think you’ll have to straight away go into Arcane ward at the start during tactical. You could try placing Thundaga on cloud as a shortcut to activate it immediately after the arcane ward has been placed and you’ve switched back to him. While casting Thundaga he won’t be interrupted.
Thanks for your reply. I have managed to get to mostly being able to cast thundaga. I tried the shortcut but because I can’t pick the target it doesn’t work quite right.
The main problem I’m having now is that Cloud gets an ATB boost in your video immediately after Aerith casts Aeroga, but when I do it he never gets the boost. Presuming it’s ATB assist doing that and unsure why it’s not working for me.
@@725Chrisj oh yes, the ATB assist on Aerith is giving him that extra bit; after casting Arcane ward and then switching back to her for an ATB boost then -ga magic, she’ll give all party members ATB if done quickly enough
Finally killed Phoenix before the bull got up . But when I use power cleave I get no atb which takes me longer to build atb which messes your whole strat.
Power cleave will not gain ATB if tifa is occupied by an action like casting a spell. Perhaps that’s what’s happening?
I figured trick for first fight you have to target pheonix with Magnified Thundaga so he gets stunned ahead few milliseconds before he could drag Aerith away.
That being said, Kujata somehow lives with like 1% HP and run fails, sometimes pheonix blizzaga attack gets blocked by kujata body
Awesome build. ❤
Dude, no WAY this would work for me. I already got the plat, but i kinda want to go back and try this build.
It’s well worth trying out this rotation for fun and who knows it may still be highly applicable to part 3 as well! 😉
Insane Build 😳 Thank you.
Glad you found this helpful!
I’m very good but for the life of me can’t knock out Phoenix before he wakes up the bull . Two three level commands after he dies .?! What am I doing wrong ?
You’ve almost got it. Try throwing the final synergy and blizzaga at the exact moment when Kujata dies.
i still dont get how you down phoenix and kujata down simultaneously but this has been nice
THIS IS THE FUCKING BUILD THAT'S GOING TO HELP ME NAIL THIS.
5:00 for my use (trying again, like the speed and switch up) it may be good to practice rotation on a single full might summon to get it down a bit before i go into rulers (note to self)
Cool guide but not working for me. Impossible to cast Power cleave, each time teamates are ejected by one of this boss. :/
2 three level spells after he die the animation takes over before I can destroy Phoenix
Thanks for the build
You’re welcome my dude!
Basically this is what we used for simulator in remake. the old party and same strategy may better than Aerith + Yuffie way in the rebirth
Man whenever i try this i just get stunned by kujata or R2 Bahamut rushes me with the slice attack and titan jumps in and everyone in red
I’d love to help, could you tell me the exact situation as to how come they weren’t in hit stun when you did the rotation?
@@SatsuiMCOC yeah, i followed this hit him with thundaga, went to build up ATB with spell or cleave (can't remember) and he just went bonkers and threw me in air and then trampled me haha! Happened three times in a row where he got hit but just seemed to run through it, weirdly, phoenix seemed like it was stunned as it didn't cast it's opening fire magic attack
@@infinitestrengthcoach3522 is your Thundaga magnified and linked to swift cast? Also when building ATB make sure Kujata is stunned by the Aeroga cast by Aerith. You have to do these 2 back to back to give yourself an opening to charge power cleave.
@@SatsuiMCOC yeah, perhaps i'm just unlucky I'll give it another go tomorrow when I have the time
I agree I followed this guide to the T with exact build max everything and made the exact same moves shown and Kujata just ignores everything and plows right through. I don't get it
Is there some magical trick to not have kujata push everyone around before I can even get my arcane ward set?
He won’t usually push you around, neither will phoenix. The key is speed in setting up the rotation. In fact as you saw in the video you would want phoenix to come into contact with Aerith just as she’s about to fire off the magnified aeroga. So that both get hit by multiple blasts
Aerith should always use Guard Stick because it gives her 20% magic boost to Wind.
could this build be used on ALL Brutal Challegnes or just this one??
Yes indeed it can be used for ALL! Hope this helps 😉
how does blizzard have magnify??
Hello. Why are you using 4 auto cast with aerith ?
To increase her magic stat
@@SatsuiMCOC Ooooh, of course 😅
At 4:59 Cloud and Tifa get a boost as Aerith is doing Aeroga. What am I missing that gives them that boost because Cloud is empty as I'm starting Power Cleave?
It’s the ATB assist at work from Aerith due to her casting arcane ward and then Aeroga in quick succession
Do you have max weapon level? With Tifa you get 478 magic attack. I'm only at 424 with the same setup
Nevermind, I didnt see the strenght up😅. Thought it was all auto weapon ability.
How did u get two swiftcast ?
He didn't... He has two Magic Focus. There's only one Swiftcast materia in the game.
Theres no room for healing right? I like super safe builds that have healing on two characters but obv ill try this one
I would say healing is a waste of materia slots as you wanna basically use this to burst down the bosses with minimal fuss. The damage you’ll be taking will not kill you in most instances. Rather it might be helpful to place materia that allows you to perfect parry more easily on tifa just in case sephiroth doesn’t play ball. She can solo him with unfettered fury at max level due to how quickly she can build ATB with her bnb rotation.
Aerith keeps using auto attack as soon as the battle starts, so she ends up using Arcane Ward too late. Is there any way to fix this besides hitting the button at just the right time?
To the best of my knowledge Aerith has a low chance of acting like that; a bit of RNG is involved. But you can work around it by following what I shared in the guide.
Try to remove her shortcuts in the main menu where you can assign shortcuts. The moment you add auto weapon ability the characters use it and your atb vanishes. This is what happened to me when i was about to use tifa the atb got vanished
Amazing build. But im really stuggling still! Doing it as stated. Just dont seem to be doing as much damage.
Anyone able to hop in my game and help! 🤣❤️
Tifa keeps spending her ATB with the Auto-Weapon Ability materia...
Disable those weapon ability shortcuts on her. Only magic shortcuts
@@SatsuiMCOC Thanks, man! Just beat this challenge this morning, and man it was a hard one... finally gonna get the plat 😄
@@thiagoaleixo5533 go go go!!
@@SatsuiMCOC omg
I have done exactly what you do and it doesn’t work! Kujata immediately jumps up into the arcane ward immediately and even though I can get a swift cast off with cloud I can’t get the Aero off with Aerith fast enough before she gets knocked off her spell. Seems like they have the AI working different than some of your videos.
Thanks for describing what you’re facing. It seems that the reason Aerith is getting knocked out of her spell is you might be a bit slow in transitioning from cloud back to Aerith after he casts thundaga. Once Aerith casts ATB boost and then Aeroga she shouldn’t get knocked out of it as ga spells can never be interrupted. As I was putting this guide together I experienced all sorts of AI, and it will work every time. Don’t give up, practice makes perfect.
Buddy, no disrespect, I appreciate your tenacity, but learning this method is as hard as beating the challenges themselves. I can’t even make headway in round one before my fighters are pushed around the arena like air hockey pucks.
Based on the feedback I shall release another video soon on how to adapt to variations in the AI with the same build and method. For fights 1-3 the same rotation will definitely work. Just takes a bit of practice, but more importantly knowing how to adapt if the AI starts to misbehave. I would know as when I made this guide I pretty much experienced all variations of AI.
@@SatsuiMCOC Good to know. Thanks for the reply!
how do you get the 3rd magnify materia?
You get the 3rd one from the Helion brutal challenge
Does it matter the order you start the battle with?
Yes or else Aerith will be targeted and she will be interrupted at the start
I'm 155h into the game and discovering Power Cleave 💀
Better late than never
I f*cking hate the RNG in this f*cking game
This is just really annoying for me personally. Most of the time (not always), the Phoenix will do an animation that "drags" Aerith across the battlefield as she's casting the arcane ward. Not a skill issue as I can execute with the same accuracy as this & other videos but can be a little misleading with the game's "rng" or whatever. I also usually get hit with the Ferocious Roar from Kujata before Aerith's able to cast her Aeroga which also complicates or ruins what could have been a smooth run.
Yeah fuck this game and the developers. Happy other people were able to make it work. I had the same lead, pieced together 99% of Valkyrie's video myself. When I went to double ATB boost with Aerith her gauge wasn't maxed out. Tired of this game's bullshit and the community's consistent dickriding. When the trending way of succeeding these challenges is to spam brumal form yuffie, I could give a rat's ass about whatever arguments to or for this game's combat system because it screams mindless fuckery and that's exactly why they can rot in a sewer for this bullshit. Venting online is slightly therapeutic but I do hope that everyone else has an amazing day !
Having the same issue with Phoenix, I dunno how this guy is able to pull off the commands so fast 🤷♂️ will keep trying but these challenges are way more annoying than Remakes.
@@dylanarnold5010don’t lose heart, practice makes perfect. You’ll get it in no time!
@@xRoycexI feel ya frustration. That’s why I also play only using tactical mode as I’m well aware of my own limitations in using only real time shortcuts for boss fights. I would say practice makes perfect and you’ll be able to build up muscle memory to overcome the difficulties you’re facing bro!
sorry you suck. skill issue@@xRoycex
Took a 45 min detour to get the ATK TO MATK materia to try this but unfortunately after an hour of attempts I couldn't replicate this. Once you let Phoenix rez it's pretty much a bricked run
Don’t sweat it, if phoenix resurrects you can just switch to cloud to focus on killing Kujata with thundagas. After phoenix is fair game once more. The part about killing phoenix early is that you just save time on the run.
@@SatsuiMCOC seems ATB starved afterwards would you continue to Power Cleave/Spell Blade? I think theres lots of nuance in what you executed - you just made it look easy 😝
This was my idea to defeat the double summons in gilgamesh's island.
But i did it with yuffie and just wond magic on all of them. Elemental fire on armor
But you did it way better 😂 😂
The synergy skills are useful.
It’s really ingenious the way you initially figured it out cos magic in this as well as remake is very OP.
@@SatsuiMCOC it was kind of cool, I started realizing the summons are weak to wind.
Then aga spell cost 2 atb while AP farming i started using spell blade and cleavage.
Then they kick my ass.. I was like wait a minute..... If i do this and this.. But no aerith.. Too slow
I'm sorry but I can't even get past the first fight with this build (I was getting to Sephiroth with a different one). My Kujata is WAY more aggressive, he simply will not let Aerith alone to cast her spells, nor let Cloud use Power Cleave twice... not to mention Phoenix carrying someone away from the fight by simply flying towards them. I don't understand how you got them to just sit there and take it.
Don’t worry about them not aligning up properly for maximum damage at the set start. As long as you are able to fire off the rotation fast enough you will be able to prevent phoenix from flying pushing you around the arena.
To get 2x power cleave, make sure to hit kujata while he’s stun locked by the magnified aeoroga, and just whittle down the rest of his hp with more thundagas and attacks from Cloud. Once he’s dead immediately, and I mean immediately target phoenix with a Blizzaga from Tifa to prevent rebirth flames. The fight may just a bit longer if they don’t align but you’ll still finish this pretty quickly.
I figured trick for first fight you have to target pheonix with Thundaga so he gets stunned ahead few milliseconds before he could drag Aerith away
I've tried this one , and only got lucky to defeat gilgamesh, then ended dead on Sephiroth. not sure why but sometimes alexander always like to go on the other side and I miss the aeroga, this might be an rng on the summons, but i will still keep doing this one until I can finish this fight
The Bonds of Friendship Legendary Bout with Cloud and Zack can be an absolute nightmare and was the Bane Of my Existence for a couple of days. That one Combat Sim forces you to get very good and very fast in order to beat it.
Honestly this is way too advanced for average gamers. I have been trying to do this, but I can’t get past the first wave either - I’ve been practicing but it just doesn’t work for me
Im not sure why but Bahumut is staggering way too fast
The biggest problem with this build is at 8:26 basically if you're on active mode, you're fuck.
Active mode?
@davidrajaruzicka5546 yes, you can choose active or classic mode for battles
how the FCK are you getting so much atb? i have all the same assists and nobody in my party gets anywhere near as much except for cloud
The power Cleve and magic cleve are the key
@@luisg2665 figured that out haha. Thanks!!! Genji gloves also were key
This build just doesn’t work for me at all
Can’t even get past Kujata and Phoenix which is usually the one battle that you can’t die on at all
Thanks for the effort though
To one shot Phoenix and Kujata back to back you’ll need to immediately fire off a blizzaga once kujata is down. If you can’t kill kujata in the first few seconds, don’t worry just keep in attacking him and parry or avoid his attacks. Phoenix will also heal you with flame attacks if you do get hit. Then once Kujata is down, a properly timed blizzaga will kill Phoenix as well. This fight will just last longer, that’s all.
If the party is not Tifa Aerith Cait Sith then it's sub optimal.
I can't seem to do this no matter what. I tried your build, just barely got to the odin fight with very little mp to get me any further. :/
I don't have genji gloves either unfortunately, and my materia aren't all fully levelled up. But I am lv70 for all characters. Not sure if that's why. Also, I've been using power cleave and spell blade for the first time in these fights, but they seem really slow for aerith and tifa to aid, and then the wind up. I'm not a skilled 'realtime' player, I always use command list.
Your assessment is spot on. You need to follow the build to the letter in terms of having Genji for more damage output from firaga, and also all relevant materia must be maxed out for full potency. Keep practice using power cleave and spell blade, they are the best way to build ATB for both party members (you’ll gain around a bar on avg if you do it on staggered enemies like in the video, on non-staggered it’s also quite fast).
@@SatsuiMCOC thanks- that was the furthest I got in the 'rulers of the outer worlds' round. None of the other simulations are close to this hard. Really struggling with this and White Terror for the Cloud solo.
@@88killerific Farrm the bees in the white cat quest (chapter 13; reset sidequest progress) before trying this. You really need the fully maxed materia. These fights are the hardest challenges in the game, you won't need those maxed out materia more in any other situation, might a well get them now and save yourself some pain.
@@CidGuerreiro1234 thanks for this. I finally got the genji glove, now working on ap farming.
How do you use power cleave and spell blade so quickly? Do you hold R1 and tap T or S or do you hold it?
Not Even getting close to beating the first wave. I use the Thundaga immediately, followed by Aeroga and then Thundaga which Kujata is half alive then goes ham on me
Update: upgraded my elementals to level 3 (were at 2). This made all the difference. Easy after that
Good to hear it’s all good now my dude!
Nao consegui reproduzir isso não nossa tem q ser muito rápido
To avoid the aggro on Aerith at the start of the second battle, why don’t you use Aerith as your party leader??? You’re already switching to her anyways to start battles. This would prevent the AI from auto attacking.
Well there’s a good reason. With her as party leader she will most often than not get hit and that’ll interrupt her casting actions which means you’ve gotta reset. Especially in fights against Gilgamesh and Bahamut, if he gets in your face at the start that’s it. She’s gonna get hit and your other party members are gonna be running away out of the arcane ward.
Tried to get it to work but no matter how u adapt it’s never a good outcome.
Your bosses seem the easy version of mine
You’ll get the hang of it; it’s all about manipulating the AI
@@SatsuiMCOC i managed to fight sephiroth, i cannot stress him like you do, It seems I don t ever have enough atb to spam magics… while gilgamesh is completely rng if he charges against the group the fight is fucked up
it's either this is faulty build up, or it's useless after latest patch, nothing is going on as in the video
This video was filmed post patch, it’s about adapting to the different AIs, it still works a charm.
This looks pretty similar to Valkyrie’s build and approach for this speed run.
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Yes it is, all credit goes to Valkyrie. I took this opportunity to break it down for tactical mode and to also show the Materia build he used. Only difference is he did his at max weapon level for increased damage as his was a speed run, while I did mine using tactical mode at a much more comfortable pace. His method is highly reproducible for normal folks like us in tactical mode and can be applied to a myriad of situations too.
Strategy doesn't work by the time the set up is completed VS will have done his instant kill.
Speed is of the essence. If you time your firaga spells and cleaves properly he will be in hit stun which gives you time to topple him.
Thank you
Nope. Total RNG-fest.