Harry saying “a man must do what a man must do” to explain rescuing the victims, alive and living, was a gut punch to me. He’s so humble about saving folks lives ❤
Because you disagree with an opinion does not make it toxic. (You thinking it is being toxic is also an opinion. And whatever I am writing now is also an opinion)
@@innocento.1552 I'm not calling him toxic on the basis that I disagree with him; there's zero correlation there.. I'm callimg him toxic because there was no negativity in this comment chain until the guy I responded to turned it negative with an opinion that is such a reach from truth.. I'd love to hear some examples of people doing heroic acts and being ridiculed for it.. And even if 100 examples could be given within just this year, that'd still be a droplet in an ocean of people being viewed as heroes for acting as such.. There was no weight behind his comment; it was negative just to be negative. Hence, toxic.
Jonathan Aris does have a lovely voice. It's almost therapeutic how his calm monotone voice tells such awful stories, but also of the search for the cause and the solution to make air travel safer.
The evidence in the video seems to imply absolutly 'slush'. Eye witnesses also observed the sudden de-excelleration just after nose-up. There seems no explaination by Herr Reichel why the Tower Observers would observe de-excellerration. But if changing seats is against aviation rules then there may always remain the fact of mis-conduct. But evidence does not seem to exist to say how changing seats may have caused the crash. So that still leaves 'slush'.
The last inquiry by the U.K. Board of Trade, released in 1969, found that the crash was caused by snow slush on the runway that slowed the plane too much to allow takeoff, and that Captain Thain was not to blame. United were aiming to become the third club to win three successive Football League titles.
@@ShonMardani the aircraft type was known for such issues at altitude which is why it required more of the runway that anything else using it that day! a clear runway and it likely takes off safely
i remember my grandmother telling me the only two times she saw my grandad break down and not be able to talk for a couple of days was when his father died and this plane crash - my mother told me it was like his family had perished on that plane - of course my grandfather was a staunch manchester united fan with duncan edwards being "the man"
The most tragic part of this whole thing occurs at approximately the ten-minute mark in the video. The passengers had the choice about getting back on the plane after two aborted takeoffs and only being off the aircraft for five minutes before being called to load back up. The survivor they're interviewing says that if even one man had said "this is crazy" and refused to reboard, the others would have done likewise. And then he says "but who has the moral courage? Who wants to admit to being a coward?" I know hindsight is 20/20, but I still don't understand that so-called "coward" mentality in the slightest. How is it cowardice to be like, "Hey boys, I sort of fancy being alive, don't you? What do you say we not get ourselves killed by getting back on this thing when they've f**ked up the takeoff twice already?" Refusing to get back on that plane wouldn't have been cowardice, it would have been wisdom ... and more of them would have lived.
Yes of course I agree. However to get home did they not have to use the same plane? With no mechanical problems they might have just de-iced and tried again the next day to the same end. 😌 I have watched to many of these vids lol
@@ShadowCatGold2006 a little like the lady on the KLM jet in Tenerife, though that was convenience and location, not exactly sense of impending catastrophe.
On one hand yeah, if you don't feel comfortable getting on a vehicle don't get on. On the other the pilots also got back on the plane, they knew the most about the situation and the plane. pilots don't go to work to risk their lives, they should have been made aware of the previous Canadian crash and tests, I think that's the real what if. By today's standards the way we used to treat winter flying is insane.
RIP the Busby Babes, a magnificent team. Sir Matt survived just, his legacy is all around Old Trafford, and Duncan Edwards sadly passed, the Beckham of his day. A superb stature of a man who captained his team and his country, if that disaster had not have occurred England cold have won the World cup in 1958 in Sweden. What could have been.............. The Flowers of Manchester. From Mark Sims, Ipswich Town fan.
I remember this chapter, possibly one of the first biggest tragedy in the Sports Story and where the German investigation blame the fault to the Captain of the flight, without knowing was not his fault for the accident, only to the end after prove his innocense, was never avaiable to flight in a Airplane and the German Investigator never trust in that theory.
It’s really unfortunate that BEA didn’t hire the Captain back. That would’ve at least given him and his family a real sense of closure. To know that he was not blame and that they still trusted him to fly
If the German investigators conducted a proper investigation and concluded that slush on the runway was to blame then the captain would have fought to be reinstated but by 1969 he was just glad to be cleared of any wrongdoing.
...so many witnesses to the sudden deceleration just before rotation, when the plane is light with a lot of lift is slush, or lack of power. Not the Capt. fault, but the runway management's...he had clearance....
This was a really great episode. I like all the episodes of course but this one resonates very strongly. I don't know if it was because of the loss of so many young athletes, or because of the shaft job the German authorities pushed onto the pilot, making him the scapegoat for the entire accident. It's unfortunate that the seat swapping decision apparently ended his career with the airline, even after he was proven innocent by the British government inquiry. And of course it's tragic that he passed away at such a young age. The goalie who survived - what a hero! Going back in repeatedly to pull people out of the fiery wreckage. Amazing!
Shame on the German investigators for looking for a scapegoat, and not only that, but being incapable of admitting fault after being shown more than once that they were wrong. Whoever was involved with that investigation should have been sacked immediately upon finding the inconsistencies with their findings.
I agreed, German Investigators did not do their homework back then when they did not look to the ground where there show, It's was very dumb when they blame the pilot for this, Shame of them.
After two aborted takeoffs, and only 5 minutes after getting off the plane and you are called back. I think I would say, I want another flight before I would get back on a plane.
No, ice on the wing doesn't make sense when you have people climbing on the wings to save others. That action alone should have knocked the ice free. It makes sense the ice formed after the fires died down and the rescue efforts ended
@@dianecheney4141 I think the German Investigator may have been bitter. He was a Luftwaffe Pilot during WII. And Thain was an RAF Fighter pilot. And it was only 12 years after the German Surrender in 1945.
The thing is airports are built where there was space. Look at how many runways end at major highways. At that time everyone was thinking "Friendly skies" not "What if something goes wrong?" This was a year after the Grand Canyon incident and more than likely people had just pushed it out of their minds and tried not to think about it. Like I live near an airport and every time there is an airshow, I see jets fly so close to houses that I can read numbers on their wings.
I mean, if it helps.. The house was 300 meters from the runway... Definitely not extremely far away; but much better than you making it sound like the house was part of the fencing at the end of runway lol
Two failed takeoffs should have been a sign that the aviation gods were not in a good mood that day. The conditions were marginal at best and the flight should have been cancelled. Slush on the runway is not the ultimate cause of this crash, but rather the desire to 'get there' as quick as possible regardless of the conditions, and the pressure to fly in poor conditions led to this disaster.
So sorry for the Busby Babes and everyone that died. The fact that noone screamed is probably because they felt the plane would just stop if anything was wrong as they had done in the first two aborted take-offs. Then the plane did not stop this time until it hit a house which they obviously could not see from the cabin. Such a tragic incident. May their beautiful souls continue to rest in peace.
This is one of my [favorite], episodes. Going back in time, to [1958], when this crash occurred. Kudos, to the star player, Harry Gregg, for [rescuing] a number of the passengers....he was a HERO!👍 I, personally, feel that Captain Thain, was [not] responsible, for this accident. The airplane, "The Elizabethan," that was involved in this crash, looked [similar] to the, TransWorld Airlines[TWA], LOCKHEED, Super Constellation[Connie], that was involved in the MID-AIR collision, with a United Airlines, DC-7, in [1956], over the Grand Canyon, that resulted in [128] deaths. RIP, to everyone that perished, in these aviation disasters.🙏
I think this was referenced in the novel, "The Odessa Files" where the protagonist mused at the start of the novel how a bystamder on holiday and had a camera had taken a good picture of this accident.
I'm getting accustomed to the baby-crying sound - it is the same in all these videos. Do all accident babies really sound the same? But I am enjoying binge-watching these, they are like NCIS, lots of little stages which are each gripping.
I’m interested in the group think that envelopes this sad story. Young men in their twenties tournament bound, and no one can or wants to break from the group, despite two unsuccessful take offs. Each player is essential to the whole. Faith can be misplaced, yet it takes a lifetime to see why
This is so upsetting. They should have NEVER went a second go. Can't believe they still decided to go after that terrorizing skid. My heart goes out to all who were lost. 💐
I doubt it. Places, from cities to nations, often try to spin investigations to make themselves look better. It happened with the Tenerife disaster, where the Netherlands were hesitant to accept the strong roles that their harsh new rule about overtime for pilots and their star pilot's not waiting for proper takeoff clearance played in the crash. Although to be fair it was also simple bad luck that a crucial radio transmission that could have averted the disaster was missed, and an airport that's prone to heavy fog really should have ground radar to make life easier even though it was a small airport. It also happened with the Stardust nightclub fire In Dublin, Ireland. Even now the song written about the nightclub fire is banned in Ireland, even though eventually another investigation, pushed for by the bereaved families, found that it was likely an electrical fault, not arson, that was to blame. It's happened in many, many other cases all around the world. You don't need bad feelings over a war when human nature will do it all on it's own.
To me it sounds like unreliable engines mixed with bad weather and pressure to get famous passangers to their destination. I know the engens were labled as not involved but it would distract at criticl times, made them abort several take offs, and made them have to take more of the runway to take off.
Would I expect anything less of the German inspector after all it would have been a slight on the Airport had the real reason been found. It brings shame on the Germans that they couldn’t admit they were wrong. Am I surprised? Not in the least.
But he was not wrong about the changing of seats. If that is mis-conduct then he was not wrong. He said there was Ice on the wings. Was he right or was he wrong. I do not know. The evidence presented in the video seems to imply 'slush' was the cause and German Eye Witnesses confirmed the sudden de-excelleration which the Inspector did not seem to account for. It is not for the german people to admit they are wrong when the wrongful conclusion is the result of one man (The Inspector). If there is shame then it is upon the Inspector and not The Germans. As you yourself are an Inspector inspecting the above video. Is shame to be lumpped upon you for not acknowleging that there were Germans pulling passengers out of the aircraft. If for some reason the German Inspector was blind to some facts then so too were you.
The only way to save future lives is to PROPERLY investigate the accidents that happen in the present! It is NOT the job of investigators to lay blame! It is their job to FIND THE TRUTH so the appropriate changes can be made to make air transportation safer!! Shame on the German investigator(s) for not doing their job properly!! Shame on the BEA for not reinstating Capt. Thain after he was cleared!!
Well. If facts are facts and I believe facts are facts. The if there is evidence which may imply or leave a shadow of doubt-Then I think the German Inspector should acknowlege that the case is not absolute or beyond a shadow of doubt. There can be as much honour in acknoledging the truth as there is in maintaining a weakening position or case where the evidence is not up to the scrutiney of other inspectors. People died. The truth is what matters. So reguardless of positive or negative light the German Investigators should present their air tight case or acknowledge there is insufficent evidence to blame the entire disaster on Ice contary to what other eye witnesses reported.
All aviation investigators organizations have many incompetent and corrupt investigators. Most have very little experience in aviation matters. The current USA NTSB is a sad example.
Don't think that such 'cover ups' and behind the scenes manipulations like this instance are rare. I've seen more than my share, ones which aren't known to the public yet.
if Only the crash never happened the entire team like Duncan Edwards who could of maybe been one of the greatest players ever and could of been the greatest England Player ever Just Like Bobby Charlton who is the greatest England play ever
...and man utd provided a team for the rest of the season and following season i assume. Yes. It was an absolute tragedy and did the reds get help from the F.A.
I know, right? Clearly defective engine that everyone just kept flying with and apparently that was A-okay, it's baffling. I know that buying new engines and taking the time to install them, assuming that doesn't require any alterations to the plane and that such an engine has already been designed and is already being produced, would still be quite expensive, and if they have to have one designed and built it would take even more money. But wouldn't it ultimately be worth being able to rely on the engines to work? I'm guessing if the customers knew about the engine issue they'd refuse to fly on such planes more than they wouldn't, and that would cost a lot of money too.
Even if the engines were as powerful slush will still cause the plane to slow down. Slush doesn’t just go away or just stays in the same spot. Slush also will stick to your wheels. Not only that but that much slush hitting the wheels will still slow down the aircraft. Adding on slush makes it hard for you to accelerate or get grip. So basically even with powerful engines it’s going to affect you a lot. Runway contamination is something that this airport should’ve been dealt with.
I don't see an explanation though for why this plane didn't take off before the slushy part like the others. And why it did 2 failed takeoffs, sounds like plane and airport must share the blame
Munich airport at a high altitude ???? Its 1400ft or 453m ! Geez what a rubbish. If you cant or don't want to find the real problem, blame the pilot ! Shameful !! They reached V1 airspeed and suddenly airspeed dropped. If wing icing had occurred, they would have NEVER reached take off speed within the required distance on the runway. So CLEARLY it was the slush towards the end of the runway, that suddenly slowed them down and caused the accident. That German investigator who was a ex Luftwaffe pilot should have been fired, not the British ex Air force Pilot. I guess the German had a ax to grind against the Brit. And cover up for the German government.
Very good job dudes and nicely well done!! Congratulations 996.6% yo throughout the 2nd sizzling patriotic hot week of said outstanding October y'all. The last inquiry by the U.K. Board of Trade, released in 1969, found that the crash was caused by snow slush on the runway that slowed the plane too much to allow takeoff, and that Captain Thain wasn't to blame. United were aiming to become the third club to win three successive Football League titles.
That is that horrible: pilots neglected the clear and obvious malfunction and risked the passengers lives because of the pressure - they needed these expensive cargo to be delivered to the match no matter what.
Pilot made a wrong decision to take off after two failed attempts. There is a rule in aviation if you have failed twice you don't make a third attempt.
An accident is never caused by a single event but by a series of events and in my opinion; it was both ice on the wings and slush on the runway. Either way, the captain can't be relieved of responsibility for the accident...He is The Captain and he switched seats with his deputy
I think it’s ultimately on the captain. He should have been able to determine if the runway was in condition to take off, especially after 2 failed attempts. And also why no deicing was done on a day like that, regardless of what he saw on the wings, is also ultimately his fault.
The previous aborted takeoffs were due to an engine issue, though. They had nothing to do with ice or slush, so how could he have known about the slush because of them? And they believe that the minimal amount of ice on the wings played no role in the crash, so the part about the deicing doesn't ring true either.
No regarding the runway its airport job to determine that not pilot ! I’m wondering if you watched the whole video so you can actually make commnets otherwise go watch something else
Harry saying “a man must do what a man must do” to explain rescuing the victims, alive and living, was a gut punch to me. He’s so humble about saving folks lives ❤
Bro that made the hairs on my arm go up! Absolutely man men risk life and limb to help others in need especially a little baby
And yet, nowadays, men are being discriminated against for being heroes.
Lol, ok.. toxic just to be toxic cause that definitely isn't the case.. at least 99.9% of the time an heroic act is viewed as such.
Because you disagree with an opinion does not make it toxic. (You thinking it is being toxic is also an opinion. And whatever I am writing now is also an opinion)
@@innocento.1552 I'm not calling him toxic on the basis that I disagree with him; there's zero correlation there..
I'm callimg him toxic because there was no negativity in this comment chain until the guy I responded to turned it negative with an opinion that is such a reach from truth..
I'd love to hear some examples of people doing heroic acts and being ridiculed for it.. And even if 100 examples could be given within just this year, that'd still be a droplet in an ocean of people being viewed as heroes for acting as such.. There was no weight behind his comment; it was negative just to be negative. Hence, toxic.
I love the narrator so much!!! He narrates these videos perfectly!!! Good job!
Although this is sad…
I agree!!!
Jonathan Aris is name from England
Very good voice
Jonathan Aris does have a lovely voice. It's almost therapeutic how his calm monotone voice tells such awful stories, but also of the search for the cause and the solution to make air travel safer.
The Germans said icing on the aircraft. Pilots responsibility
The British said slush on the runway. The airports responsibility.
Rest In Peace lads. 💐
Germans: 💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
The evidence in the video seems to imply absolutly 'slush'. Eye witnesses also observed the sudden de-excelleration just after nose-up. There seems no explaination by Herr Reichel why the Tower Observers would observe de-excellerration. But if changing seats is against aviation rules then there may always remain the fact of mis-conduct. But evidence does not seem to exist to say how changing seats may have caused the crash. So that still leaves 'slush'.
The germans were simply trying to pass the blame
Yes we know mate we watched the exact same thing you did.
The last inquiry by the U.K. Board of Trade, released in 1969, found that the crash was caused by snow slush on the runway that slowed the plane too much to allow takeoff, and that Captain Thain was not to blame. United were aiming to become the third club to win three successive Football League titles.
I’m glad that the UK report absolved any blame and cleared Thain’s name at the very least
I think pilots were trying to abort the take off because of the booster indicator.
@@ShonMardani the aircraft type was known for such issues at altitude which is why it required more of the runway that anything else using it that day! a clear runway and it likely takes off safely
@@ZombieSazzasadly even after that he could never fly again and he died like 3-4 years after :(
i remember my grandmother telling me the only two times she saw my grandad break down and not be able to talk for a couple of days was when his father died and this plane crash - my mother told me it was like his family had perished on that plane - of course my grandfather was a staunch manchester united fan with duncan edwards being "the man"
The most tragic part of this whole thing occurs at approximately the ten-minute mark in the video. The passengers had the choice about getting back on the plane after two aborted takeoffs and only being off the aircraft for five minutes before being called to load back up. The survivor they're interviewing says that if even one man had said "this is crazy" and refused to reboard, the others would have done likewise. And then he says "but who has the moral courage? Who wants to admit to being a coward?" I know hindsight is 20/20, but I still don't understand that so-called "coward" mentality in the slightest. How is it cowardice to be like, "Hey boys, I sort of fancy being alive, don't you? What do you say we not get ourselves killed by getting back on this thing when they've f**ked up the takeoff twice already?" Refusing to get back on that plane wouldn't have been cowardice, it would have been wisdom ... and more of them would have lived.
Very well said my friend!
Yes of course I agree. However to get home did they not have to use the same plane? With no mechanical problems they might have just de-iced and tried again the next day to the same end. 😌 I have watched to many of these vids lol
WW2 Generation got to remember
@@ShadowCatGold2006 a little like the lady on the KLM jet in Tenerife, though that was convenience and location, not exactly sense of impending catastrophe.
On one hand yeah, if you don't feel comfortable getting on a vehicle don't get on. On the other the pilots also got back on the plane, they knew the most about the situation and the plane. pilots don't go to work to risk their lives, they should have been made aware of the previous Canadian crash and tests, I think that's the real what if. By today's standards the way we used to treat winter flying is insane.
Rest in peace to those 23 those who lost their lives especially the entire team in this disaster.
Is manchester united F.C
@EXMENON . Yes
RIP the Busby Babes, a magnificent team. Sir Matt survived just, his legacy is all around Old Trafford, and Duncan Edwards sadly passed, the Beckham of his day. A superb stature of a man who captained his team and his country, if that disaster had not have occurred England cold have won the World cup in 1958 in Sweden. What could have been.............. The Flowers of Manchester. From Mark Sims, Ipswich Town fan.
I remember this chapter, possibly one of the first biggest tragedy in the Sports Story and where the German investigation blame the fault to the Captain of the flight, without knowing was not his fault for the accident, only to the end after prove his innocense, was never avaiable to flight in a Airplane and the German Investigator never trust in that theory.
You don’t know what you talking about it’s captain fault.
@Batman-wv5ng the final investigation by the UK board of transportation in 1969 ruled the accident was caused by slush on the runway
It’s really unfortunate that BEA didn’t hire the Captain back. That would’ve at least given him and his family a real sense of closure. To know that he was not blame and that they still trusted him to fly
If the German investigators conducted a proper investigation and concluded that slush on the runway was to blame then the captain would have fought to be reinstated but by 1969 he was just glad to be cleared of any wrongdoing.
Even my parents weren't born around the time, and while I'm not a football fan myself, I can say that I can imagine how devastating this tragedy was.
...so many witnesses to the sudden deceleration just before rotation, when the plane is light with a lot of lift is slush, or lack of power. Not the Capt. fault, but the runway management's...he had clearance....
This was a really great episode. I like all the episodes of course but this one resonates very strongly.
I don't know if it was because of the loss of so many young athletes, or because of the shaft job the German authorities pushed onto the pilot, making him the scapegoat for the entire accident.
It's unfortunate that the seat swapping decision apparently ended his career with the airline, even after he was proven innocent by the British government inquiry. And of course it's tragic that he passed away at such a young age.
The goalie who survived - what a hero! Going back in repeatedly to pull people out of the fiery wreckage. Amazing!
Shame on the German investigators for looking for a scapegoat, and not only that, but being incapable of admitting fault after being shown more than once that they were wrong. Whoever was involved with that investigation should have been sacked immediately upon finding the inconsistencies with their findings.
First they must find their findings.
I agreed, German Investigators did not do their homework back then when they did not look to the ground where there show, It's was very dumb when they blame the pilot for this, Shame of them.
Sure - for you guys the Germans are to blame for everything that happens in this world... Come on, don't you ever get tired of your anti-German rant?
Fuel Shed allowed at end of a runway. My God! Experienced crew accept a maintenance guy's suggestion to try it one more time? Absolutely insane.
The greatest score the show ever made 17:09 -18:06
Excellent information and narration. Condolences to the families of the deceased and the loved ones...
After two aborted takeoffs, and only 5 minutes after getting off the plane and you are called back. I think I would say, I want another flight before I would get back on a plane.
Absolutely
I think pilots were trying to abort the take off because of the booster indicator.
The movie United is about this accident. 🎥🍿 It's really good!
What a decisive,and knockdown response from Dr. Marandi to😮 the host of program.I loved it. Dr. Marandi is the MAN
Captain was dismissed by BEA for against The Company regulation that Pilot ini Command sould seat on the Left.
What total Bunk by the Airline, Disgusting!
Lets gooo a new episode
"A man must do what a man must do." What a man. Golden generation.
No, ice on the wing doesn't make sense when you have people climbing on the wings to save others. That action alone should have knocked the ice free. It makes sense the ice formed after the fires died down and the rescue efforts ended
@@dianecheney4141 I think the German Investigator may have been bitter. He was a Luftwaffe Pilot during WII. And Thain was an RAF Fighter pilot. And it was only 12 years after the German Surrender in 1945.
@@marcnoonan2187 And of course the Germans put the house at the end of the runway just after the war.
I tend to agree with your statement.
@@marcnoonan2187
Best episode I've seen so far
I’ll never forget this day , terrifying incident.. it was my maiden flight 🥺
Some of the hospitalized players were not told who or how many players had died so it wouldn't affect their recovery. 🤕
A house at the end of the runway?????😮😮😮😮😮😮
The thing is airports are built where there was space. Look at how many runways end at major highways. At that time everyone was thinking "Friendly skies" not "What if something goes wrong?" This was a year after the Grand Canyon incident and more than likely people had just pushed it out of their minds and tried not to think about it. Like I live near an airport and every time there is an airshow, I see jets fly so close to houses that I can read numbers on their wings.
I mean, if it helps.. The house was 300 meters from the runway... Definitely not extremely far away; but much better than you making it sound like the house was part of the fencing at the end of runway lol
House and a fuel shed
Two failed takeoffs should have been a sign that the aviation gods were not in a good mood that day. The conditions were marginal at best and the flight should have been cancelled. Slush on the runway is not the ultimate cause of this crash, but rather the desire to 'get there' as quick as possible regardless of the conditions, and the pressure to fly in poor conditions led to this disaster.
So sorry for the Busby Babes and everyone that died. The fact that noone screamed is probably because they felt the plane would just stop if anything was wrong as they had done in the first two aborted take-offs. Then the plane did not stop this time until it hit a house which they obviously could not see from the cabin. Such a tragic incident. May their beautiful souls continue to rest in peace.
This is one of my [favorite], episodes. Going back in time, to [1958], when this crash occurred. Kudos, to the star player, Harry Gregg, for [rescuing] a number of the passengers....he was a HERO!👍 I, personally, feel that Captain Thain, was [not] responsible, for this accident.
The airplane, "The Elizabethan," that was involved in this crash, looked [similar] to the, TransWorld Airlines[TWA], LOCKHEED, Super Constellation[Connie], that was involved in the MID-AIR collision, with a United Airlines, DC-7, in [1956], over the Grand Canyon, that resulted in [128] deaths. RIP, to everyone that perished, in these aviation disasters.🙏
This was very interesting. This is an accident that I was not aware of until now.
sir bobby charlton was a survivor
@@APaviationgame814 the last of them
I think this was referenced in the novel, "The Odessa Files" where the protagonist mused at the start of the novel how a bystamder on holiday and had a camera had taken a good picture of this accident.
Even the great Sir Bobby Charlton survived this crash
I'm getting accustomed to the baby-crying sound - it is the same in all these videos. Do all accident babies really sound the same? But I am enjoying binge-watching these, they are like NCIS, lots of little stages which are each gripping.
I’m interested in the group think that envelopes this sad story. Young men in their twenties tournament bound, and no one can or wants to break from the group, despite two unsuccessful take offs. Each player is essential to the whole.
Faith can be misplaced, yet it takes a lifetime to see why
Manchester United ❤
This is so upsetting. They should have NEVER went a second go. Can't believe they still decided to go after that terrorizing skid. My heart goes out to all who were lost. 💐
I get the feeling this whole controversy over Thain happened because Germany was still miffed about WWII.
@@coolnut99 Ze Germans!
I doubt it. Places, from cities to nations, often try to spin investigations to make themselves look better. It happened with the Tenerife disaster, where the Netherlands were hesitant to accept the strong roles that their harsh new rule about overtime for pilots and their star pilot's not waiting for proper takeoff clearance played in the crash. Although to be fair it was also simple bad luck that a crucial radio transmission that could have averted the disaster was missed, and an airport that's prone to heavy fog really should have ground radar to make life easier even though it was a small airport. It also happened with the Stardust nightclub fire In Dublin, Ireland. Even now the song written about the nightclub fire is banned in Ireland, even though eventually another investigation, pushed for by the bereaved families, found that it was likely an electrical fault, not arson, that was to blame. It's happened in many, many other cases all around the world. You don't need bad feelings over a war when human nature will do it all on it's own.
So was at the time Herr Reichel-Germany? Of course I know he was not Germany. In the same way Mat Busby was not Englang.
Thumbnail says "lost in the sky"...
But the flight doesn't even take off from the ground....!
RIP Lads ❤
Fascinating
This feels like a scene from final destination, if only they refuse to come back aboard
How About Next "Under Pressure" Nationair Flight 2120.
Be patient. Flight 2120 is in the same season as this one.
I was just thinking about this episode! I seen it years ago and I was checking to re-watch it. Hopefully it's uploaded soon.🤞🏼
I would also add, this could be made into documentary
simple fact is ice on wing affect air flow and lift... it won't slow down the plane on ground... only decrease lift once the plane is airborne...
obviously the Captain was not to blame..
Wasn’t obvious back in that day
I think pilots were trying to abort the take off because of the booster indicator.
To me it sounds like unreliable engines mixed with bad weather and pressure to get famous passangers to their destination.
I know the engens were labled as not involved but it would distract at criticl times, made them abort several take offs, and made them have to take more of the runway to take off.
Would I expect anything less of the German inspector after all it would have been a slight on the Airport had the real reason been found. It brings shame on the Germans that they couldn’t admit they were wrong. Am I surprised? Not in the least.
Exactly.
But he was not wrong about the changing of seats. If that is mis-conduct then he was not wrong. He said there was Ice on the wings. Was he right or was he wrong. I do not know. The evidence presented in the video seems to imply 'slush' was the cause and German Eye Witnesses confirmed the sudden de-excelleration which the Inspector did not seem to account for. It is not for the german people to admit they are wrong when the wrongful conclusion is the result of one man (The Inspector). If there is shame then it is upon the Inspector and not The Germans. As you yourself are an Inspector inspecting the above video. Is shame to be lumpped upon you for not acknowleging that there were Germans pulling passengers out of the aircraft. If for some reason the German Inspector was blind to some facts then so too were you.
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I'm sitting here thinking, this plane never even reached take off speed yet why that was, was never a part of the initial investigation.
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problem with the boost twice , and they get everyone back on the plane , make sense to me. maybe the pilot takes for a test run.
sad the people didnt understand how dangerous slush is back then Q;Q
The only way to save future lives is to PROPERLY investigate the accidents that happen in the present! It is NOT the job of investigators to lay blame! It is their job to FIND THE TRUTH so the appropriate changes can be made to make air transportation safer!! Shame on the German investigator(s) for not doing their job properly!! Shame on the BEA for not reinstating Capt. Thain after he was cleared!!
So did the Krauts ever exonerate the pilot?
The fact is, the pilot should never attempted a third takeoff after failing twice. I don’t agree he’s blameless
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I kinda trust British findings,the pilot is not to blame.The Germans were defensive in their approaches
I feel sorry for the captain who was dismissed by BEA
I'm not afraid. I'd be asking for directions to the train station....
26:57 Says "FLUGENFALL". Correct word is "FLUGUNFALL".
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I can't also see that the pilots changing seats had any significance!
They'd both agreed on what they were doing, apparently!
My Scots half is quite displeased with my Germanic half at the moment!
The UK was dumb WW2
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Wow this episode is not putting the German investigators or their the German authorities in a positive light…….
Well. If facts are facts and I believe facts are facts. The if there is evidence which may imply or leave a shadow of doubt-Then I think the German Inspector should acknowlege that the case is not absolute or beyond a shadow of doubt. There can be as much honour in acknoledging the truth as there is in maintaining a weakening position or case where the evidence is not up to the scrutiney of other inspectors. People died. The truth is what matters. So reguardless of positive or negative light the German Investigators should present their air tight case or acknowledge there is insufficent evidence to blame the entire disaster on Ice contary to what other eye witnesses reported.
The man died from the stress, always Injustice.
All aviation investigators organizations have many incompetent and corrupt investigators. Most have very little experience in aviation matters. The current USA NTSB is a sad example.
2011.
Don't think that such 'cover ups' and behind the scenes manipulations like this instance are rare. I've seen more than my share, ones which aren't known to the public yet.
Did one of them really say they thought a crash would happen
Hans Reichel and German Aviation Athority use Captain Thain as ScapeGoat.
That's enough time I get off the plane
I'm terribly sorry, but, for whatever reason, two aborted take offs should have been a message to ' stay put, and wait for conditions to improve'!
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if Only the crash never happened the entire team like Duncan Edwards who could of maybe been one of the greatest players ever and could of been the greatest England Player ever Just Like Bobby Charlton who is the greatest England play ever
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...and man utd provided a team for the rest of the season and following season i assume. Yes. It was an absolute tragedy and did the reds get help from the F.A.
Everybody talking about snow and no one talking about the dogshit engines.
I know, right? Clearly defective engine that everyone just kept flying with and apparently that was A-okay, it's baffling. I know that buying new engines and taking the time to install them, assuming that doesn't require any alterations to the plane and that such an engine has already been designed and is already being produced, would still be quite expensive, and if they have to have one designed and built it would take even more money. But wouldn't it ultimately be worth being able to rely on the engines to work? I'm guessing if the customers knew about the engine issue they'd refuse to fly on such planes more than they wouldn't, and that would cost a lot of money too.
Even if the engines were as powerful slush will still cause the plane to slow down. Slush doesn’t just go away or just stays in the same spot. Slush also will stick to your wheels. Not only that but that much slush hitting the wheels will still slow down the aircraft. Adding on slush makes it hard for you to accelerate or get grip. So basically even with powerful engines it’s going to affect you a lot.
Runway contamination is something that this airport should’ve been dealt with.
I don't see an explanation though for why this plane didn't take off before the slushy part like the others. And why it did 2 failed takeoffs, sounds like plane and airport must share the blame
35:56 Germans being defensive here as 15 years earlier.
The pilot was ETH great grandad.
WHAT WAS THE BABYS NAME WAS IT ME ?
Munich airport at a high altitude ????
Its 1400ft or 453m ! Geez what a rubbish.
If you cant or don't want to find the real problem, blame the pilot ! Shameful !!
They reached V1 airspeed and suddenly airspeed dropped. If wing icing had occurred, they would have NEVER reached take off speed within the required distance on the runway.
So CLEARLY it was the slush towards the end of the runway, that suddenly slowed them down and caused the accident.
That German investigator who was a ex Luftwaffe pilot should have been fired, not the British ex Air force Pilot.
I guess the German had a ax to grind against the Brit. And cover up for the German government.
Poor captain. Just because he had some soccer playing people on board he was crucified.
Very good job dudes and nicely well done!! Congratulations 996.6% yo throughout the 2nd sizzling patriotic hot week of said outstanding October y'all. The last inquiry by the U.K. Board of Trade, released in 1969, found that the crash was caused by snow slush on the runway that slowed the plane too much to allow takeoff, and that Captain Thain wasn't to blame. United were aiming to become the third club to win three successive Football League titles.
That is that horrible: pilots neglected the clear and obvious malfunction and risked the passengers lives because of the pressure - they needed these expensive cargo to be delivered to the match no matter what.
'no need to de ice'
Wtfudge!
Was that part of the cause?
Pilot made a wrong decision to take off after two failed attempts. There is a rule in aviation if you have failed twice you don't make a third attempt.
What happened to the Mother and the baby that was taken off the plane.
This plane was not meant to fly that day end of.
South, not west Germany.
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An accident is never caused by a single event but by a series of events and in my opinion; it was both ice on the wings and slush on the runway.
Either way, the captain can't be relieved of responsibility for the accident...He is The Captain and he switched seats with his deputy
I think pilots were trying to abort the take off because of the booster indicator.
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They should of just stopped till things improved
Eew, bad faked German!
British will make sure they are not guilty even if they are
Shite plane flown by shite crew in shite weather. No mystery here.
I think it’s ultimately on the captain. He should have been able to determine if the runway was in condition to take off, especially after 2 failed attempts. And also why no deicing was done on a day like that, regardless of what he saw on the wings, is also ultimately his fault.
The previous aborted takeoffs were due to an engine issue, though. They had nothing to do with ice or slush, so how could he have known about the slush because of them? And they believe that the minimal amount of ice on the wings played no role in the crash, so the part about the deicing doesn't ring true either.
No regarding the runway its airport job to determine that not pilot ! I’m wondering if you watched the whole video so you can actually make commnets otherwise go watch something else
I think pilots were trying to abort the take off because of the booster indicator.