One of the funniest gun things I ever saw was a student at our police academy saying that something was wrong with his gun because he couldn't hit the target with it. One of the instructors (who was a national pistol champion at the time) took it, and held it upside down in his hand (grasping the grip 180 degrees from correct), and just drilled the center of the target with several shots, then handed it back to the student, saying, "Seems okay to me."
Errrh... Sounds like Lars Andersen, just with a gun. Meaning, Lars Andersen explained that he could easily train anyone to within an hour, to shoot without aiming. That is, just let the arrow be a natural part of where you looked, and instead of looking down the arrow on the bowstring, just look at the target and shoot the arrow at the target without looking at your bow and arrow. So, a nice trick with a gun, but the aim on the gun might still be off. I guess he checked that beforehand though.
@@boringpolitician , it was one of those new student complaints, “My sights are off. My gun is shooting to the left and to the right of where I aim.”! But, I believe in what you are referring to, especially since pointing is often what people actually do in a close quarters gun fight any way.
Not many top level competitors would allow themselves to be put at such a disadvantage. It speaks volumes for his character and results in great fun. Now where can I get one of those guns? I am always looking to expand my box of excuses.
As demonstrated here. It's rarely ever the gun that makes the difference. it's the person behind the gun and their ability to adapt to a new firearm that makes the difference. I own and hunt with a Winchester model 1912 (pre-war) 12-gauge field gun. Fixed full choke 28-inch plain barrel, un-checkered stock. At the local gun club when I shoot, I score an average of 22 out of 25 on both the sporting clays and trap ranges. This gentleman is phenomenal.
I can average 23 all day with my Browning auto 5, cant hit a damn thing with my ithica 16 guage pump and less with my sears and roebuck bolt action 20 guage haha
I remember going to game shoot in North Yorkshire a few years ago. The best shooter on the day was some old guy with a 50yr+ shotgun side by side. There was a group of businesses types up from London with all the top guns many costing the same as a new car. Couldn't shoot for toffee. Or hit the barn door. Rich boys with rich toys. I also remember as soon as it started to rain it was time to go back to the lodge. I had brilliant day. There was 30 shooters on the day by dinner there was 6 of us. Lots of laughs and good shooting.
I have a cheap aya yeoman side by side and I take it on shoot days all the time. Its about 50 years old but it shoots perfect with the right cartridge. My mates with expensive guns hate it that I can shoot so well with it.
All comes down to the shooter and if the gun fits. I don't shoot an expensive gun by competition standards (Browning 725) but I have performed very well with it over the years in skeet, trap and sporting (in all their wonderful and terrible variations). An expensive gun won't turn a bad shot into a good one. As long as it fits and goes bang then it is the shooter who makes or breaks it.
My brother-in-law is a fantastic shot with anything other then pistols. A real snipe eye on him. But my man across the valley can make his nasty old Remington pump sing when it comes to high clays. It’s a real pleasure to watch. (Sometimes just for fun I’ll pop 2-3 out of 5 30yrds clays with a pistol just to show them I have a bit of skill too. (Nothing like those two though).
Unless the choke is entirely screwed or something is fundamentally way off like that, you picked probably one of the weapons (non-auto shotgun) where the difference in high end and low end makes the least difference possible.
@@deezynar Probably so. Though I think it's a bit disingenuous to not compare properly functioning and maintained examples of each. One could smash the more expensive one against a rock and produce similar results.
Right? I mean a tube is a tube. This isn't a sub MOA vs a 2 MOA rifle comparison, they are smoothbore shotguns. Granted nicer ones are easier to point but I've dusted clays with a cheap 870 express just as nice as a Citori when you are on point
At this level of competition, of course. At a very high level though, things like weight, balance, stock shape, choke, trigger pull, weight, position, would probably make a huge difference. Not that I can speak with authority. I don't even own a break-action shotgun.
Great video and I am glad you just snuck in. Good thing you can get out shooting in the UK. We are on our 10th week locked up in Sydney Oz and the best we can do is the nail gun in the garage.
Back when I used to shoot competitive I placed 1st in my division at state for skeet and 3rd in sporting clays with a 300 dollar stoger pretty awesome when the other people all had crazy expensive set ups
You are absolutely killing it with these videos mate. Content is fun and post-production's spot on. Particularly into these videos that address the questions people often wonder. As for ideas, another question I've got is whether people genuinely can tell the difference between certain cartridges, and to what extent. Would be good to see if somebody could pass a 'blind test' with them. Keep it coming.
We all kind of know the real answer here. The gun that works is the gun that fits properly. I had an old side-by-side when I was growing up, and I couldn't hit anything with it. When I could finally afford something else, I bought a Ruger Red Label and the very first time I shot it, birds fell from the sky. I've been using it ever since with great success. Now that I am older and have the money for any gun I want, I'm afraid to try anything else because the old red label works so well for me.
What a fun idea for a video! Of course, the price of the gun didn't have much to do with Ed's lack of success with it. It was mainly a question of the weight, length, and fit, and the fact that it was a double trigger side-by-side. Given a week to practice with that nasty piece of scrap metal, I bet Ed would have run those two stations.
It would be interesting to see this done to a not so extreme level. Maybe a amateur shooter with a Beretta pig and a high level shooter with maybe a £250 second hand O/U.
@@mrcaboosevg6089 maybe. But a Baikal O/U would be way less than £250. I got my Lanber Sporter Deluxe second hand for £250. It was about a grand new so probably something like that would be a good candidate.
I feel like the "it's about the shooter, not the gun" is still entirely true - as long as you exclude the absolute shit at the very bottom of the range Give the best shooter the cheapest "actually acceptable enough to be recommended for newbies" gun and I reckon there's no question
That is what I was thinking. You just need a gun that is accurate to a point, and you dont have to spend even halfway up the range to get enough accuracy to let skill work. So yes, get rid of actual garbage and the skilled person wins every time.
I recently have gotten into shooting sporting clay. I started with my first shotgun which was a Franchi Affinity 3. I quickly ditched that after my first match and bought a Winchester 101 Choked in SK SK. I've really enjoyed that and now i've moved onto a SKB 585 Target and I'm beyond excited for my next shoot. All this being said I have loved your videos! They are very informative and exciting to watch!
Okay, my only advice on the side by side: Saw off about 18" off the barrel and 2 1/2" off the stock, shove it under the front seat of your pick-up and all the rattlesnakes in South Texas will tremble at the sound of your name, failing that perhaps a boat anchor for a small dingy
Clays are good fun with whatever. I bought my first shotgun, just a cheap sport pump action to try out some novelty shells; just for the heck of it I shot some clays while I was at the range, hit the very first pull without any sight adjustment from factory. Shotguns are just loads of fun.
Ed‘s gun is unreasonable 😬 A realy nice video In my club we shoot with a single barrel Baikal. It knocks your shoulder off and after three shots you have a warm face. Not for people with blombs in their teeth.
As a 4H shooting instructor in North Carolina, I really enjoyed this and will recommend it to my shooters, I wonder if my Browning Semi is even legal in U.K.?
We used to do something similar at our gun club....except we used an old belarusian shotgun....that would occasionally double discharge, sort of a pot luck on who would get punched in the shoulder
Many years ago I bought a single barrel shotgun for less than 50 dollars NEW. my intention was to cut the 24 inch barrel to 18 inches and then cut the stock down for home defense. I took it to a turkey shoot (competition) before I did. It turned out I was out shooting people with 2000 dollar guns and winning competitions. I still have that gun 45 years later exactly the way I bought it. Most if my guns shoot better than I can, but, this one makes me a better shooter for some reason.
Great video ! Just goes to show put someone behind shotgun that is cheap or expensive who knows what there doing will get results ! That cheap SxS reminds me of my grandfather old 12g Stevens lol it's old and beat up but I still enjoy shooting sporting clays with it. I've shot some pretty expensive shotguns and still shoot the same as I do with the old SxS lol Cheers !
Those Spanish import doubles aren't that bad, it seems like Ed was just married to the idea of o/u doubles. The side by sides take a little bit of time for the learning curve but aren't some awful experience to shoot like he makes it seem.
Not using both triggers was a weird decision, I shoot a side by side with double triggers, chose double triggers on purpose. I like a nice single selective trigger but double triggers is classier!
Good demonstration and Ed is a good sport. What is the conclusion? Was Ed's shooting result a factor it fit, design, familiarity (lack of) or all of the above?
In motorcycle racing, one of my favorite things to do is hop on a Ninja 300 and outpace guys on Yamaha R1s, Ducatis, and BMW 1000 RRs. Laughing the whole way round the track.
As an amateur target air pistol shooter I can say that the number of crap club shooters that spend buckets of money (on new high end pistols with CO2 and electronic trigger etc) and still shoot a lot worse than my with my 20 year old FWB (when I often only shoot once every six months) is quite amazing. A top end pistol will improve the score of an expert shot, but it won't do much for someone who just can't shoot accurately. Better technique and training/practice is a lot more important than simply spending money on buying the latest and greatest equipment.
Love this. I shoot tons of Skeet, also have many "scatter" guns. The right tool for the right job,,, I was shooting with a friend who recently purchased a Mossberg Eventide, (I believe it is the cheapest O/U you can get) and asked to shoot it on a couple of stations. I missed several shots I know I would have hit, but, the trigger pull is so awful on these cheapos, it does not go off when you want it to. And trust me, a hair second slower on the skeet or trap field equals a miss.
Once you get to the level of a decently made gun, there is no real mechanical advantage to a high dollar gun, my main gun is a 1976 miroku and i love nothing more than outshooting guys with dt11s with custom stock work
Back in the 90s I did 22 silhouette with a dead stock Walmart Glenfield model 60. I had one it since I was 9 and rarely missed anything. So one morning after a match we had open range. I asked for the turkeys at 75. Not being very bright I rapid fired 10 for 10 off hand with iron sights. Really fast. Nearly everyone there had hand made single shot rifles worth many hundreds to thousands. Every singe person there just stared at me for what seemed like days. I didn't get invited back to the monthly shoot for almost a year.. lol.
I used to win one hell of a lot of money shooting my 1960 Western Auto (Savage) 20 ga. full choke pump against expensive Italian and British 12's. It's the shooter, not the shotgun. 100%
When it comes to double barrel shotguns, I don't see too many disadvantages with an old low quality one as longest is an over and under in this circumstances. In my experience I am pretty ok with my tiger Chinese crap gun. However when you go high level competition than it makes differences
As someone who doesn't know much about clay shooting shotguns, it would be nice to know what were the main differenced between the guns and why the experienced guy hated the cheap gun so much.
Considering how he choose to not use one of the triggers, i would say that was one of the main problems. In the end, so long as you are aiming at a target reasonable for your ammo and rifle, a gun is influenced by two things: how accurate the aiming is (of the gun, i mean: if the sights are pointing to X, how close to X will the bullet actually go) and how delicate the trigger(s) is. An heavy trigger will inevitably move the gun at the moment you press it.
Recently went on a sporting clays event. Hit 70/100 with my mossberg 500 pump with the field barrel installed. I think the course was easy because the time before I hit like 30/100 on a different course.
@@transtubular I guess that kinda makes sense in the USA, but to be able to get a functioning firearm for less than the cost of a pellet gun is baffling to me. For perspective, I paid £80 for a crosman pumpmaster.
In the US if you go to the used gun stores you can find all sorts of guns at low prices. I recently picked up a Springfield M1903 .30-06 heavy barrel for $120 usd. It’s in great shape with no scratches. Online they go for $1500-$3500 usd.
It cracks me up so hard that my first time ever shooting trap I used a shotgun just as bad, if not worse than his, and shot pretty well. (But tbh I still wouldn't wanna go head to head with him)
As I can't even hit a PortaPotty if I'm inside it, it would probably not matter much for me. I did this with dirtbikes, I borrowed a really good 250cc, and was lapped by a kid on a cheap 85cc that was held together with tape and bailingwire, he almost hit my helmet with his backtyre as he jumped past me.
Great come back Johnny. Yeah your holding it know - Ed Sullivan Ed this was painful to watch I'd rather drive a car with a flat tire then shoot that side by side. lol
A Bad workman always blames his tools A Craftsman will just adjust himself to the given situation or Tool !! Used to use an old 30 inch single barrelled Baikal ..back in the late 80s brilliant Gun plus you could use it as a post basher and it would still work Shoot Straight and do what was required in fact i would rate it higher than many far more expensive Guns !
Hey! It works for 50e. Send it to Kentucky. I’ll buy for an extra when friends don’t bring a gun. I’ll hang it over my fireplace and tell everyone it’s a 1793 Italian masterpiece. If you aren’t a gun person you know almost nothing about guns.
I have a Stevens 311D 16 gauge that Ive tied my best scores with my far nicer guns. Fit is fit. Problem is I feel like the 311D is about to blow up, barrels ring but are loose on the face
I would say shotguns aren't really all that different in accuracy between expensive or cheap guns. at best the ergonomics and perhaps trigger are a bit better, but it's not exactly huge difference. slightly different shot pattern if the expensive one has chockes on it, but I reckon they didn't for this comparison, right? Now Long Range Shooting, with bullets, and having a comparison of expensive gun and scope vs cheap gun and scope, that would be a different story , cause any cheap gun with a shot out barrel will have a hard time against a good match barrel in terms of consistent accuracy
At our club championships, we had two brothers rock up. They had bolt action Mossberg 12 gauge shotguns. They placed 3rd and 5th out of 100 shooters. Competing against guys running top of the line shotguns. They funniest part was one of the brothers beat the Beretta agent..
Hull Cartridge Co .... I can walk there, but when buying 2000 cartridges its best to take the car :-) I shoot clays better with my Remington 870 ABS pump than I do my grade 5 Browning 425.
The fact that the pro shooter is a lefty makes all the difference here with that SxS obviously being made for a right hander. Cast off/ cast on will be WAY wrong for him....that's really unfair even for a lark competition like this. Give the man a cheap left hand gun and he'd no doubt shoot it better I think.
In my opinion any cheap over and under with a single trigger that ejects, as long as its fitted to you well. For 200ish pounds. Not much difference between it and an expensive gun. The only way I would spend big money Is to have a gun made to fit me. The cheap ones can be modified but it won't look pretty.
To me this shows how small the gap is between the best and worst guns. If a champion can stay equal to a strong amateur with a POS, how much better is a 25k gun compared to a good 4k?
I used to use my dads over £1000 gun and shot terribly like 30/100 but when i switched to my current gun a £150 farbarm mod elligi semi auto im now high 60’s mid 70’s cause while its a cheaper gun it fits me much better
Probably the worst gun you could use to compare expensive vs cheap. As long as that old gun patterns well and the shooter learns that patterning, everything else is esthetics, comfort and longevity. Shooting for precision with a bolt gun or shooting for speed with a pistol/semi auto rifle would show a much greater divide in performance. Reality is, that shotgun would get the job done for its 2 shots it has when you learn the patterning.
I cant hit anything with a cheap gun. With an expensive gun I wouldn't be able to hit anything a lot better.
But you would look significantly more stylish missing 😂
I've never been accused of looking stylish.
@@thunderace7493 that's because you haven't been shooting the right gun
Should have gone to specsavers.
I have won medals with a sub $1k semi auto shotgun and i have won medals and a state championship plaque with a $3k Browning O/U.
One of the funniest gun things I ever saw was a student at our police academy saying that something was wrong with his gun because he couldn't hit the target with it. One of the instructors (who was a national pistol champion at the time) took it, and held it upside down in his hand (grasping the grip 180 degrees from correct), and just drilled the center of the target with several shots, then handed it back to the student, saying, "Seems okay to me."
Errrh... Sounds like Lars Andersen, just with a gun. Meaning, Lars Andersen explained that he could easily train anyone to within an hour, to shoot without aiming. That is, just let the arrow be a natural part of where you looked, and instead of looking down the arrow on the bowstring, just look at the target and shoot the arrow at the target without looking at your bow and arrow. So, a nice trick with a gun, but the aim on the gun might still be off. I guess he checked that beforehand though.
@@boringpolitician , it was one of those new student complaints, “My sights are off. My gun is shooting to the left and to the right of where I aim.”! But, I believe in what you are referring to, especially since pointing is often what people actually do in a close quarters gun fight any way.
Did the student then hold the gun upside down and also hit the target ok?
That means he was an expert at his own natural point of aim, it’s doesn’t prove that the sights on the gun might be off for someone less experienced
@@bradleynugent4991 , I think you missed the point completely. It was just a joke. You know, humor, kidding around, that kind of thing.
Not many top level competitors would allow themselves to be put at such a disadvantage. It speaks volumes for his character and results in great fun. Now where can I get one of those guns? I am always looking to expand my box of excuses.
How does it, its a bit of fun he is already the best in the world.
you mean all top level competitors? thats some salt you got there
Not many would.... however Jerry miculek will gleefully shoot just about anything with a trigger.
O.p. I agree.
Maybe in a competitive environment but why wouldn’t anyone have a handicap just for fun
"No redeeming features?"
"Yeah, you're holding it now..."
That cracked me up.
These videos with Ed have been absolutely fantastic. As was his episode on the Pod. Be good to see some videos with him during the game season!
We shall see if he can fit us in our busy schedule!
As demonstrated here. It's rarely ever the gun that makes the difference. it's the person behind the gun and their ability to adapt to a new firearm that makes the difference. I own and hunt with a Winchester model 1912 (pre-war) 12-gauge field gun. Fixed full choke 28-inch plain barrel, un-checkered stock. At the local gun club when I shoot, I score an average of 22 out of 25 on both the sporting clays and trap ranges. This gentleman is phenomenal.
I can average 23 all day with my Browning auto 5, cant hit a damn thing with my ithica 16 guage pump and less with my sears and roebuck bolt action 20 guage haha
@@RubSomefastOnIt LOL... ^~^ I do about my average with my other pump. A .20 gauge model 31 Remington, wow is it slick... >~
I remember going to game shoot in North Yorkshire a few years ago. The best shooter on the day was some old guy with a 50yr+ shotgun side by side. There was a group of businesses types up from London with all the top guns many costing the same as a new car. Couldn't shoot for toffee. Or hit the barn door. Rich boys with rich toys. I also remember as soon as it started to rain it was time to go back to the lodge. I had brilliant day. There was 30 shooters on the day by dinner there was 6 of us. Lots of laughs and good shooting.
Are you sure there were 30 guns? Must of been a cheap day!
I have a cheap aya yeoman side by side and I take it on shoot days all the time. Its about 50 years old but it shoots perfect with the right cartridge. My mates with expensive guns hate it that I can shoot so well with it.
All comes down to the shooter and if the gun fits. I don't shoot an expensive gun by competition standards (Browning 725) but I have performed very well with it over the years in skeet, trap and sporting (in all their wonderful and terrible variations). An expensive gun won't turn a bad shot into a good one. As long as it fits and goes bang then it is the shooter who makes or breaks it.
Beware the man with only 1 old gun…for he knows how to use it.
My brother-in-law is a fantastic shot with anything other then pistols. A real snipe eye on him. But my man across the valley can make his nasty old Remington pump sing when it comes to high clays. It’s a real pleasure to watch. (Sometimes just for fun I’ll pop 2-3 out of 5 30yrds clays with a pistol just to show them I have a bit of skill too. (Nothing like those two though).
Unless the choke is entirely screwed or something is fundamentally way off like that, you picked probably one of the weapons (non-auto shotgun) where the difference in high end and low end makes the least difference possible.
I'm guessing that they deformed the chokes. Probably bent one high, and the other to one side.
@@deezynar Probably so. Though I think it's a bit disingenuous to not compare properly functioning and maintained examples of each.
One could smash the more expensive one against a rock and produce similar results.
Right? I mean a tube is a tube. This isn't a sub MOA vs a 2 MOA rifle comparison, they are smoothbore shotguns. Granted nicer ones are easier to point but I've dusted clays with a cheap 870 express just as nice as a Citori when you are on point
I've never gotten this "fit" malarkey, pick some carts & your gun and get used to it.
At this level of competition, of course. At a very high level though, things like weight, balance, stock shape, choke, trigger pull, weight, position, would probably make a huge difference. Not that I can speak with authority. I don't even own a break-action shotgun.
Jonny absolutely beaming with that hip shot gave me a chuckle
Great video and I am glad you just snuck in. Good thing you can get out shooting in the UK. We are on our 10th week locked up in Sydney Oz and the best we can do is the nail gun in the garage.
Aussies DEMAND your Liberty.
Shame you don’t got any guns in your house. Looks like you need to use some in the authorities/politicians
@@tomsterism The majority of us prefer the lower death rate. Go figure ;)
Ed is an absolute treasure. Keep these coming!
Back when I used to shoot competitive I placed 1st in my division at state for skeet and 3rd in sporting clays with a 300 dollar stoger pretty awesome when the other people all had crazy expensive set ups
You are absolutely killing it with these videos mate. Content is fun and post-production's spot on. Particularly into these videos that address the questions people often wonder. As for ideas, another question I've got is whether people genuinely can tell the difference between certain cartridges, and to what extent. Would be good to see if somebody could pass a 'blind test' with them. Keep it coming.
Them pink shorts should be sect 5 ..
Because of all the potential women they could slay?
@@tgsoutdoors still got your sense of humour..🤣🤣🤣💥💥🍺👍
I'd definitely miss with the cheap gun, but the quality firearm on the other hand, I'd miss in style.
We all kind of know the real answer here. The gun that works is the gun that fits properly. I had an old side-by-side when I was growing up, and I couldn't hit anything with it. When I could finally afford something else, I bought a Ruger Red Label and the very first time I shot it, birds fell from the sky. I've been using it ever since with great success. Now that I am older and have the money for any gun I want, I'm afraid to try anything else because the old red label works so well for me.
What a fun idea for a video! Of course, the price of the gun didn't have much to do with Ed's lack of success with it. It was mainly a question of the weight, length, and fit, and the fact that it was a double trigger side-by-side. Given a week to practice with that nasty piece of scrap metal, I bet Ed would have run those two stations.
Im not even a big gun fan I have no idea how this end up in my suggested videos but I found this thoroughly entertaining job well done boys. 👍👍
Brilliant ! , But that was so cruel .
You need to do a rematch and at least give Ed the cheapest of O/U's to use.
😂 ok, providing everyone remembers that time jonny beat Ed in a totally fair fight 😂
@@tgsoutdoors pepperidge farm remembers
Really enjoying you both working together 👍 on your channel!
Not sure Ed will be back after I made his shoot that 😂
It would be interesting to see this done to a not so extreme level.
Maybe a amateur shooter with a Beretta pig and a high level shooter with maybe a £250 second hand O/U.
A Baikal wouldn't be a bad idea
@@mrcaboosevg6089 maybe. But a Baikal O/U would be way less than £250. I got my Lanber Sporter Deluxe second hand for £250. It was about a grand new so probably something like that would be a good candidate.
I'd like to to see the outtakes of this video, the best of craic. 💥💥
I had a speck of dirt on my screen and I thought they were missing because I thought that was the clays 😂
I feel like the "it's about the shooter, not the gun" is still entirely true - as long as you exclude the absolute shit at the very bottom of the range
Give the best shooter the cheapest "actually acceptable enough to be recommended for newbies" gun and I reckon there's no question
That is what I was thinking. You just need a gun that is accurate to a point, and you dont have to spend even halfway up the range to get enough accuracy to let skill work.
So yes, get rid of actual garbage and the skilled person wins every time.
Ed is a heck of a shot !!!! Really enjoy the vids with him. As someone else mentioned, something during the game season would be great !
I recently have gotten into shooting sporting clay. I started with my first shotgun which was a Franchi Affinity 3. I quickly ditched that after my first match and bought a Winchester 101 Choked in SK SK. I've really enjoyed that and now i've moved onto a SKB 585 Target and I'm beyond excited for my next shoot. All this being said I have loved your videos! They are very informative and exciting to watch!
That 585 is a cracking gun, let us know how you get on!
Okay, my only advice on the side by side: Saw off about 18" off the barrel and 2 1/2" off the stock, shove it under the front seat of your pick-up and all the rattlesnakes in South Texas will tremble at the sound of your name, failing that perhaps a boat anchor for a small dingy
Rewatch: That second "I can see it" cracked me up.
Clays are good fun with whatever. I bought my first shotgun, just a cheap sport pump action to try out some novelty shells; just for the heck of it I shot some clays while I was at the range, hit the very first pull without any sight adjustment from factory. Shotguns are just loads of fun.
Ed‘s gun is unreasonable 😬 A realy nice video
In my club we shoot with a single barrel Baikal. It knocks your shoulder off and after three shots you have a warm face. Not for people with blombs in their teeth.
As a 4H shooting instructor in North Carolina, I really enjoyed this and will recommend it to my shooters, I wonder if my Browning Semi is even legal in U.K.?
Ed Solomon, what a guy! Top work JC and the crew! You 2 need your own show! Thanks guys
@3:01 the laughing got me lol
We used to do something similar at our gun club....except we used an old belarusian shotgun....that would occasionally double discharge, sort of a pot luck on who would get punched in the shoulder
Many years ago I bought a single barrel shotgun for less than 50 dollars NEW. my intention was to cut the 24 inch barrel to 18 inches and then cut the stock down for home defense. I took it to a turkey shoot (competition) before I did. It turned out I was out shooting people with 2000 dollar guns and winning competitions. I still have that gun 45 years later exactly the way I bought it. Most if my guns shoot better than I can, but, this one makes me a better shooter for some reason.
Great video ! Just goes to show put someone behind shotgun that is cheap or expensive who knows what there doing will get results ! That cheap SxS reminds me of my grandfather old 12g Stevens lol it's old and beat up but I still enjoy shooting sporting clays with it. I've shot some pretty expensive shotguns and still shoot the same as I do with the old SxS lol
Cheers !
I wonder how many times that tower thing gets shot lol 7:02
I was wondering how in the world do they reload the thrower?
I was watching this channel for the first time, so far I like this format
Are the pink shorts from losing a prior bet?
Those Spanish import doubles aren't that bad, it seems like Ed was just married to the idea of o/u doubles. The side by sides take a little bit of time for the learning curve but aren't some awful experience to shoot like he makes it seem.
I can assure you that shooting this particular gun is an awful experience! Most every other gun is nicer to shoot than this
Not using both triggers was a weird decision, I shoot a side by side with double triggers, chose double triggers on purpose. I like a nice single selective trigger but double triggers is classier!
None of your video come up in my suggested videos anymore ( I guess youtube realizes you're a gun" channel) ... but, I'm glad I saw this one.
Good demonstration and Ed is a good sport. What is the conclusion? Was Ed's shooting result a factor it fit, design, familiarity (lack of) or all of the above?
In motorcycle racing, one of my favorite things to do is hop on a Ninja 300 and outpace guys on Yamaha R1s, Ducatis, and BMW 1000 RRs. Laughing the whole way round the track.
I think the comment Ed was looking for at the end was “I would rather shit in my hands and clap!” 😂😂
As an amateur target air pistol shooter I can say that the number of crap club shooters that spend buckets of money (on new high end pistols with CO2 and electronic trigger etc) and still shoot a lot worse than my with my 20 year old FWB (when I often only shoot once every six months) is quite amazing. A top end pistol will improve the score of an expert shot, but it won't do much for someone who just can't shoot accurately. Better technique and training/practice is a lot more important than simply spending money on buying the latest and greatest equipment.
Demolition ranch peaking around the corner 🤣🤣
Love this. I shoot tons of Skeet, also have many "scatter" guns. The right tool for the right job,,, I was shooting with a friend who recently purchased a Mossberg Eventide, (I believe it is the cheapest O/U you can get) and asked to shoot it on a couple of stations. I missed several shots I know I would have hit, but, the trigger pull is so awful on these cheapos, it does not go off when you want it to. And trust me, a hair second slower on the skeet or trap field equals a miss.
The cheapest new gun vs the expensive new gun would be a better video.. Hint hint 😁
Bottom line: It really doesn't make a difference. So, save your money.
Once you get to the level of a decently made gun, there is no real mechanical advantage to a high dollar gun, my main gun is a 1976 miroku and i love nothing more than outshooting guys with dt11s with custom stock work
Back in the 90s I did 22 silhouette with a dead stock Walmart Glenfield model 60. I had one it since I was 9 and rarely missed anything. So one morning after a match we had open range. I asked for the turkeys at 75. Not being very bright I rapid fired 10 for 10 off hand with iron sights. Really fast. Nearly everyone there had hand made single shot rifles worth many hundreds to thousands. Every singe person there just stared at me for what seemed like days. I didn't get invited back to the monthly shoot for almost a year.. lol.
I used to win one hell of a lot of money shooting my 1960 Western Auto (Savage) 20 ga. full choke pump against expensive Italian and British 12's. It's the shooter, not the shotgun. 100%
Great fun…..you both present a good show
I am sure the quality of that old side By side but hand made is much better than the Luxury Beretta 686
Same as with cars nowdays
I don’t think there is a single other category of firearm besides singel shot shotguns where the price makes less of a difference in performance.
When it comes to double barrel shotguns, I don't see too many disadvantages with an old low quality one as longest is an over and under in this circumstances. In my experience I am pretty ok with my tiger Chinese crap gun. However when you go high level competition than it makes differences
As someone who doesn't know much about clay shooting shotguns, it would be nice to know what were the main differenced between the guns and why the experienced guy hated the cheap gun so much.
Considering how he choose to not use one of the triggers, i would say that was one of the main problems. In the end, so long as you are aiming at a target reasonable for your ammo and rifle, a gun is influenced by two things: how accurate the aiming is (of the gun, i mean: if the sights are pointing to X, how close to X will the bullet actually go) and how delicate the trigger(s) is. An heavy trigger will inevitably move the gun at the moment you press it.
Props to him for being the only one to accept the challenge
Recently went on a sporting clays event. Hit 70/100 with my mossberg 500 pump with the field barrel installed. I think the course was easy because the time before I hit like 30/100 on a different course.
Shows it’s not about the gun it’s the person behind the gun that matters.
ive done this many times on the trap and, skeet range. theres an old saying - "it's the crapenter not, the hammer".
I love how you can get a shotgun for less than the price of the cheapest air rifle on the market
Once upon a time you could get an SKS for less, paid just a bit over 100 USD for mine back in the day.
@@transtubular I guess that kinda makes sense in the USA, but to be able to get a functioning firearm for less than the cost of a pellet gun is baffling to me. For perspective, I paid £80 for a crosman pumpmaster.
In the US if you go to the used gun stores you can find all sorts of guns at low prices. I recently picked up a Springfield M1903 .30-06 heavy barrel for $120 usd. It’s in great shape with no scratches. Online they go for $1500-$3500 usd.
@@khure711 Wow! Nice find!
It cracks me up so hard that my first time ever shooting trap I used a shotgun just as bad, if not worse than his, and shot pretty well.
(But tbh I still wouldn't wanna go head to head with him)
Would be interesting to see this again but with a slightly better gun, a used Turkish over under or something
Had Edward been shooting Percy Stanbury's old s/s gun, I doubt he would have missed one John.
As I can't even hit a PortaPotty if I'm inside it, it would probably not matter much for me.
I did this with dirtbikes, I borrowed a really good 250cc, and was lapped by a kid on a cheap 85cc that was held together with tape and bailingwire, he almost hit my helmet with his backtyre as he jumped past me.
Great come back Johnny.
Yeah your holding it know
- Ed Sullivan
Ed this was painful to watch
I'd rather drive a car with a flat tire then shoot that side by side. lol
The only joke here is paying 30k for a 1k gun.
A Bad workman always blames his tools A Craftsman will just adjust himself to the given situation or Tool !! Used to use an old 30 inch single barrelled Baikal ..back in the late 80s brilliant Gun plus you could use it as a post basher and it would still work Shoot Straight and do what was required in fact i would rate it higher than many far more expensive Guns !
Hey! It works for 50e. Send it to Kentucky. I’ll buy for an extra when friends don’t bring a gun. I’ll hang it over my fireplace and tell everyone it’s a 1793 Italian masterpiece. If you aren’t a gun person you know almost nothing about guns.
Blaming the gun is all I’ve got, don’t take that away from me.
If you know how it points, cheap guns are okay for a packet or two. They get unpleasant pretty quick after the 3rd box of shells.
Is that a phone tower? lol how do they feel about you shooting at it? XD
Was expecting to see someone running a course with a hi point, but this was alright too. Lol
Gotta say. I have a buddy who owns a Krieghoff and DAMN that thing is nice to shoot
That Ed is quick witted with the good lines 👍
I have a Stevens 311D 16 gauge that Ive tied my best scores with my far nicer guns. Fit is fit. Problem is I feel like the 311D is about to blow up, barrels ring but are loose on the face
$5000 for the gun $25000 for the engraving.
Great video but I gotta ask; laundry day? Those shorts are hideous ;)
I would say shotguns aren't really all that different in accuracy between expensive or cheap guns.
at best the ergonomics and perhaps trigger are a bit better, but it's not exactly huge difference.
slightly different shot pattern if the expensive one has chockes on it, but I reckon they didn't for this comparison, right?
Now Long Range Shooting, with bullets, and having a comparison of expensive gun and scope vs cheap gun and scope, that would be a different story , cause any cheap gun with a shot out barrel will have a hard time against a good match barrel in terms of consistent accuracy
That was fun to watch :)
At our club championships, we had two brothers rock up. They had bolt action Mossberg 12 gauge shotguns. They placed 3rd and 5th out of 100 shooters. Competing against guys running top of the line shotguns. They funniest part was one of the brothers beat the Beretta agent..
Most guns will always be more accurate than the shooter.
Moved to Norfolk 7 years ago and I miss Risley..
Hull Cartridge Co .... I can walk there, but when buying 2000 cartridges its best to take the car :-)
I shoot clays better with my Remington 870 ABS pump than I do my grade 5 Browning 425.
Speaking of Zabala, I'm looking for a replacement stock for a 20 bore sbs, with pistol grip
The fact that the pro shooter is a lefty makes all the difference here with that SxS obviously being made for a right hander. Cast off/ cast on will be WAY wrong for him....that's really unfair even for a lark competition like this. Give the man a cheap left hand gun and he'd no doubt shoot it better I think.
What kind of gun was the expensive one?
In my opinion any cheap over and under with a single trigger that ejects, as long as its fitted to you well. For 200ish pounds. Not much difference between it and an expensive gun.
The only way I would spend big money Is to have a gun made to fit me. The cheap ones can be modified but it won't look pretty.
I love the antique. That thing has old fashioned class
It’s not that old of a gun
Salmon shorts n dazzling white legs definitely handicapped the opposition
The gun matters a little, the gunman matters a lot.
I’ve shot a 20 gauge Kreighof and it was nice but it didn’t improve my shooting
"they havent spared any money on the engraving, huh?"
"no thats uhhh-"
"what is it?"
"a gun"
To me this shows how small the gap is between the best and worst guns. If a champion can stay equal to a strong amateur with a POS, how much better is a 25k gun compared to a good 4k?
Hadn't been trap shooting in like 5yrs went out the other day and dam was it fun missed doing it.
Lots of lead into those wheat fields am i right? Aside from that, great vid!
Loved the video!!!
I used to use my dads over £1000 gun and shot terribly like 30/100 but when i switched to my current gun a £150 farbarm mod elligi semi auto im now high 60’s mid 70’s cause while its a cheaper gun it fits me much better
Probably the worst gun you could use to compare expensive vs cheap.
As long as that old gun patterns well and the shooter learns that patterning, everything else is esthetics, comfort and longevity.
Shooting for precision with a bolt gun or shooting for speed with a pistol/semi auto rifle would show a much greater divide in performance.
Reality is, that shotgun would get the job done for its 2 shots it has when you learn the patterning.
What a great sport to do that for entertainment…. World Champ and just went even higher in my estimation.