I think universities are normally better for a masters degree, where you actually need in-depth knowledge about specific topics. For the bacherlors degree, I prefer the universities of applied sciences with their more general approach.
I am not a 100% sure, but i think thst you cant continue your studies in TU's when you attain a bachelor's degree from TH's. Let me know if i am right or wrong.
@@nikhilbandaru You can do that. In fact, its harder to switch from Uni to TH because in a TH bachelor you get 210 Credits compared to only 180 in Uni. So you have to get 30 Credits extra to do a masters degree at TH after Uni. However when doing a masters degree in Uni after doing a bachelors degree in TH you might have to do some extra courses (mostly Mathematics) because they are not taught at TH.
Personally I like TU more than Htw, for the following reasons: 1. you meet more friends, which means you have more chances meet some better friends at TU. 2. Studying at TU requires more self study and less coursework, which is totally amazing since you can adapt your study with your own pace of each subject (you can invest way time in subjects you are good at and more time in the others) 3. More elective courses 4. Less mandatory courses since they are often combined, in comparison to HTW where each mandatory course specifically introduces one small field (again, more time for yourself)
I pursued my undergraduate degree in chemistry, and I can honestly say that there were many concepts I struggled to see the real-world applications for initially. However, it was only by persevering through every aspect of my studies that I eventually managed to connect the dots. When it comes to your academic choices, remember that college is meant to be challenging. It's important to face the initial boredom and resist the urge to give up, as this journey ultimately leads to valuable insights and growth.
I think i know what you mean. The first time i felt really fullfilled and interested in my undergrad in physics again was in the deeper topics which were built on top of those really difficult basics
I really like what you are saying here! If you are willing to suffer for something and see true passion in it, you can push through the tough beginnings ^^
I think there should be discomfort, not proper "boredom". If you're trying to put in the work and suffering, it may be a sign you're in the wrong place, and there's nothing wrong with it. Sometimes it would be better for someone to learn the practical stuff first, and then go to uni, once they can tell how the theoretical stuff is going to help in the bigger picture (although that isn't possible for many professions).
@@fuma9532 I do believe you might have misunderstood me if the answer was adressed to my previous answer. I was never bored. The topics where really interesting. But being stuck in the basics for so long really kills your spirit. Coming to more modern applications of those basics was the spark which rekindled the fire. But you might be right as to sciencenot being the right choice in that case . I actually switched my studies to education in physics and mathematics after my undergrad ^^.
It’s really nice to hear your story. I just left TUM after one year of engineering sciences. It was a big mental struggle to leave a university with such a good reputation and career opportunities, but it was just making me so depressed. Now I changed to a different, smaller university for architecture studies. Just because some things are hard, they’re not necessarily worth it.
The quality of education in Germany should be similar in Bachelors… …at least if the university looks like it receives enough money to not break apart like many in Nordrhein Westfalen (German state) do. Choose the one with the best fitting modules/curriculum to your future career path rather than some imaginary reputation that only people from those specific universities care about. Greetings from the 2nd best rankend university for mechanical engineering in Germany
I think there is one thing a lot of people get wrong when they start at University. The University curriculum is designed to train you as a scientist. This also means and requires a lot of intrinsic motivation and the skill to learn things by your self (both expected for scientists), while FHs (universities of applied science) is more like school, more like a training and education for a practical job. In my oppinion it is not wrong, that expecially the first semesters are quite hard, so students find out early if the subjects fits them and wether they have sufficient intrinsic motivation. You are a good example, it would have been worse for you if you would have found out a few semesters later that physics dosn't fit you. If however you manage the first years and proceed you will get involved into the research (during your Bachelor, Master and PhD- thesis) and the university gets less anonymous. I've enjoyed (and sufferd) through university and finally obtained my PhD in physics, thus I can understand your pain in the beginning and agree on some points about teaching (demotevated professors in the beginner lectures) but strongly disagree on one point: Blackboards and chalk are good for theory. It's much better to develop a thought/model/theory over many blackboards (and it can be done in a good understandable and entertaining way) than to have it split into many slides where you miss theoverview.
Hi, I’m studying at TUM, currently B. Sc. Computer Science, and would like to specialize in AI. I totally agree with you, that some lectures can get boring when it’s dry theory and there is a lack of motivation (maybe by oneself, maybe the professor, or maybe the sleeping students around you) and experienced it myself. A few friends of mine study at Hochschule München (university it applied sciences), some study at LMU. Since most of us went for computer science, the experience can be more or less compared. - When studying at a university with a lot of people, I highly recommend finding or building a friend circle of highly motivated and optimistic people. They will help you make studying fun, and spending time at the university more pleasurable than considering it a jail. Also attend to gaming events and try to suppress the “introvert” and “do nothing because you feel like”. Universities take a lot of time- & social input. - For the universities with smaller groups of people, some my friends already entered as a “friend circle”. Listening to their stories it felt more like a school atmosphere, where they experienced fun in being more of a chaotic circle. I think to properly decide which is better for you, just go to one and see if that’s your teaching style, that I definitely agree with. I would also recommend everyone to go to a university for at least ~1 semester. A lot of my friends, myself included, studied for a year to realize they are not studying what they really want to, and switches faculty. (I switched Games Engineering -> CS). Max, I think your experience can also be generalized not just to university types, but also contents of studying. It’s essential to experience “what and how you thought you wanted to study” to know “what and how you actually want to study”
great video. One thing I would highly recommand to everyone who is starting their education in German university as an international student, "Attend the lectures." You will find alot about the career you are trying to achieve. Applied Science universities have small number of student and Germany not having compulsory attendace make people skip classes even more. Lesser the students, more professor will know you. You can allways ask them for career advices and they will helo genuinely- but the condition is you have to come to the university. I have friends who were lost about their future careers or confused, but professors have helped them out. They can also recommand you the companies according to your experties in certain field which will help you a lot. I have done it personally and my professor helped as I was regularly attending the class, he knew me. You can always ask. it's not that big of a deal when you are curious about something and you also have some basic knowledge about that field. So, Try to attend the classes, work on certain skills and as my Friend has always said, "STAY FOCUSED" ‼
Sounds like your professor is a great person who actually cares about students! One thing I must say tho is that usually at a University of Applied Sciences, the classes are mandatory, it's a bit like school. Great advice man, stay focused!
I did my bachelor master at TUM (Freising campus though...) and always had the same feeling. When I then did my PhD there I saw the problem from the other side. All the lectures are spread between different chairs and the spread it to different profs and subsequently to different PhD students. All the teaching is huge distraction to your research and most try to dumb it down as much as possible. So it becomes a charade we ask the same questions so the students can use the same catalogues to prepare and in the end you get similar results each year. The lectures are happy because they did not have to spend too much time and can focus on research again. The students are happy because the get quite good grades, even without attending classes. And the faculty is happy because people stay in the programs. However curiosity and hands on experience are lacking. Best would be bachelor on applied university, master (if you are really interested in a topic) at a normal university.
Yes... I am not a Dr. but gained the same insight while still at a TU in the 80ties. A close friend of mine got the energy for a PhD..."course" and I built an aparatus for him. Well, I did a second chance education after a 3 years apprenticeship. I could do that. 😉...He had to do loads of work aside his research. To say the truth... bis research was the free time job. Guess you agree. Took him 5 years or so. Terrible. Never had the idea to do that. From skilled worker to Dipl.-Ing. TU was enough for me! Respect for you guys anyway!😊
Which uni is better in the Europe when it comes to teaching, I always look for a uni where profs know how teach . Can you please name a few ?? I am a Masters student in Mechanical Engineering in India. For phd I try my fortune elsewhere. Thanks
It's really helpful to have a sense of where you're headed in the future, as it can guide you in becoming who you want to be. You did an amazing job! Well done!
The same thing happened to me in Spain. I am Spanish and when I graduated from high school, I had to choose a career. I didn't have many options because I could only go to the university in my city and I couldn't go to another university where they had the degree I would have liked to study. Back to the subject, when I chose a degree from the list of that university, I chose GENERAL ENGINEERING (there was electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, environmental engineering, etc.). I had chosen it because I didn't know what to do, I was 17 at the time, and as I was good at mathematics, physics and chemistry, I could do well. THE WHOLE COURSE WAS EXACTLY AS IT WAS IN GERMANY. The teachers read the power point slides they had made and spent 2 to 3 hours talking, they even took time out of the 30 minute lunch break to give their class because otherwise "we wouldn't finish the subject and that would be included in the exam". Even when you asked him a question, he would read the slide again or answer "there are infinite ways of solving it, it all depends on the problem". How can a teacher answer something like that to a question that is "I don't understand how to solve this exercise in the book". During the class many slept, many played video games or watched a series. We were 110 people in a class and because I was late I had the bad luck to sit at the end of the class where I could see nothing and hear nothing. That day I couldn't write anything down and I felt helpless because I, wanting to learn, couldn't if I didn't have the means. At the end of the first year I left the course because I could no longer afford to pay for it because it was so expensive and I started to work and to look for a career that I liked. Now I am in Germany and I have found the career that I have been passionate about since I was 7 years old. Yes, I must admit that it is difficult, that it can be as you said in the video, but after leaving school, reflecting and maturing, seeing how the working world is and how life is, I realised that if I want to do it, I can't back out. I worked hard to learn German, I worked hard to get a good job and to combine it with my studies. I worked so hard that I don't want to give up just like that. Even if the course is difficult, it would hurt me more if I had to give it up because of everything I had to go through to get there.
You actually changed my whole perspective of my choices with this one video. I have decided to come to Germany for my Bachelor in Computer Science in 2024 and I have (ofc) opted for a uni. I always hated the concept of a single exam deciding your life. I believe in practical knowledge than theoretical. So I've made my decision to opt for University of applied sciences. I hope I can come to Germany and build a great career!
Idk but on my the university I attend (Also for applied sciences) It is structured the same way, where only one exam considers the whole grade of the course.
I have to tell you young man, you did the right choice. Not just because that's what makes you excited but also the IT industry is fairly rewarding in terms of compensation and opportunities not just locally but overseas. Good luck in your journey!
You fundamentally misunderstood what a lecture is. I studied Physics in Göttingen and the real learning took place at home with books and in study groups working with friends on your weekly assingments. You complain that the Professor doesn't know you and isn't interested in teaching. But how is he supposed to know you when there's 200 students in the hall every new year? And teaching? My advice is to treat lectures as going to the movies. It's mainly uninteractive (in your first semesters) but it's great to meet your peers whith whom you can work. Plus, there's also the practices which are lead by doctorates or higher semesters where you are free to ask all sorts of questions. Anyway, two months is wayyy too short a time to reach any conclusions on University Life. Uni takes time to adjust to because nobody holds your hand. But with the right mindest, it can become one of the most rewarding experiences of your life. If you find out that it's not for you, that's completely fine. But don't blame the system when you've only just gazed at the surface.
Thanks for sharing your opinion I'm at a new university now and they handle things very differently, with less theory and a more practical approach. In the end it's just preferences when it comes to the education system
amazing take and i can understand the mental anguish of being stuck and trying to grind through something which does not yield any positive result. i am glad you found your new home!
Almost the same thing happened to me. I graduated in 2021 from really good high school at my home town and decided I wanted to study at the best uni possible, which was Physics at Charles University in Prague. I also found lectures for 250 people boring, mainly mathematics. Toward the end of semester I also started skipping lectures and felt really unmotivated to study math. I even passed the final exams from physics and programming with A's, but just couldn't get myself to properly study math and pass those exams. Next semester rolled out and I gave up completely. Was thinking what to do next, decided to try again at uni in my home town. It is so much better experience for me. There is about 20 of us in each year and professors actually care if you pass the exams or not. And you even get to know them and vice versa. This frendlier approach even ignited a passion for mathematics inside me. So anyways I'm still studying physics and I really like it. So all that matters is that you should like what you study. If I look back, the main reason why I failed the math courses is because I hated them. If I liked math I would get myself to study it or pass the exam in some way. I don't want to say it wasn't my fault that I failed (beacuse it was), but I can clearly see that a lot of people struggle in unis especially their first semester so there are definitely some problems out there.
Interesting video, nice that you have found a suiting career path for you early on. I am a physicist (working as a lecturer/researcher) having studied at a university in Germany. The subject is really challenging but once you get over the first 1-2 years it becomes awarding imo. The problem in the beginning is that your brain basically gets reprogrammed. The exercise sheets you have to solve are challenging and usually it is better to work on them in groups with your peers. Nonetheless, studying Physics or Mathematics is not for everyone and has to be chosen carefully.
I think in natural sciences and engineering universities teach you how the world works at an abstract level, whereas universities of applied science prepare you for a job. If you are thriving for knowledge the first may be better, whereas if you are thriving for learning a job the latter may be better. It is a wrong concept to expect from someone, who graduated from university, to be able to do a specific job at a company, but they may carry the potential and knowledge as well as organizational skill to learn how to do not a specific but any job at a company quickly.
there is definitely some truth to it, although it depends on what degree you are studying. Physics might well be one of these degrees where you can literally slide into any position
I believe that's why germany produces a lot of very good researchers but not so much entrepeneurs, artists and alike. The university system is simply built in such a way.
@@maxyoko My Main Point was: You left Uni becouse You didn't like things like Teaching Style, while at the same Time I can't atend Uni! I am so Jelous that You trew away the thing I want the most in Life! After I saw that I started crying!
I was fortunate enough to not have any financial pressure in Uni which allowed me to switch what I studied a lot. Started off with Geography and Biology, switched to Bioinformatics at a more practically focussed Uni(for some of the same reasons you mentioned about the classic education system) and then switched again to social sciences at a regular Uni. In hindsight the journey was very productive and I learned a ton, even though I just got one degree.
2:25 I do. I study maths at hamburg and a) if one person knows their stuff why not communicate it to all at once? b) this has proven to be efficient for hundreds of years c) chalksound is great :P i prefer the chalkboard over a whiteboard, beamer setup or other method when it comes to an expert teaching foundations and ways go approach problems in a field to a large audience. Even with lets say 200 students in an inteoductory course the professor won't onow you, ask you where you were last class if you're the type who skips, just wants to pass. But if you're engaged in the subject, ask questions etc. they ofc do care and find joy in sparking your joy in their subject
I myself have chosen a University of applied sciences in Germany and I love it. It brings together the good aspects of the "High School" kinda environment like small classes which feels more personal with the aspects of University like incredibly competant and smart Professors. Most of them have had a career in their respective Industry so they're settled down now and actually want to teach and help students. I study electrical engineering and I can always come to my Profs for help if I have problems with a certain PCB for example
So you left early, like hundreds. By the 2nd semester there will be 70 students left. 4th semester 30 and so on... You actually need to fight trough the first 2 semesters anonymously and after that you will get to know your professors and it will be just like in high school.
This is honestly something I needed to see. I am in Peru and studying in one of the best universities here, but it all feels just so empty and at times helpless. I study Computer Science, and the way the university teaches the career is by doing two years of general studies (for some reason I had to take mechanical drawing? Cool and all but like why lol) and three years of career-focused studies. Once I entered the career-focused stage my grades began to drop so much and I've been failing around two courses per semester so far. It hurt a lot because I thought I just couldn't do it, but after retaking some of the ones I failed with a different teacher I noticed just how much the attitude of those who teach it can influence the way I perform. I know I should mainly rely on myself to study (and I do admit I sacrificed studying some courses just so I can pass others), but just the way they teach stuff is so outdated and some of the teachers are just so full of themselves that they can't or won't recognize that the system they use is flawed. I know I'm not a bad student, not perfect, but definitely not bad, but it's frustrating when my efforts are thrown to the toilet because of one shitty method of note-grading. Again, I do recognize that there have been opportunities that I could've done more and pass some courses, but it's just depressing for me to know that despite doing good 95% of the semester, failing a single exam can undo all that effort in a matter of 3 hours; and again, not to mention just how archaic some tests are: if I'm going to be taught C++, let me do something cool with it and think out of the box, don't limit me to the way it was done in the 90s and only do reports. Rant over, but it's just frustrating to study something you love but at the same time hate because of how it's taught lol
really feel what you mean, a lot of the degree programs are messed up because of the weird academic approach. The entire higher education system desperately needs some changes Thank you for sharing your story 🫶
Very well shot and informative video! I totally agree that the anonymity of big universities is a negative factor. I would suggest studying in learning groups with peers and going to smaller tutoring classes, for people who feel the same about this.
You makes a good first point. This was my impression when I studied my master in Italy. I took my bachelor's in Asia. I observed that the bachelor program was very boring and I think this isn't only in Italy but also in other European countries. The preschool until high-schools are amazing in Europe. But, when it comes to the university then it's very different as you mentioned in the video.
I got accepted in the Embedded systems masters engineering program at Duisburg Essen university, but I am considering applying to a more application-oriented masters program in a university of applied science. It is very difficult to leave a prestigious high rank university and study in a Fachhochschule.
you should not overestimate the value of a "prestigous university" in germany. Nearly all "Hochschulen" in Germany are statefonded, therefore "Prestige" usually just comes from public research instituts not from good education. Employers in Germany know this, and do not really differ between universities.
What would you write in your CV for your gap year? Since I also want to do that. And how did you get money during that year? (I'm from Germany too if that's necessary)
You can do internships, work an actual job, or create projects. I worked a part-time job, did some freelancing and I also have really supportive parents :)
The first part pretty much describes what my problem was with German universities. I am Colombian and I got a scholarship for a masters degree in Nuclear Fusion and after my first semester I wanted to quit. Not because it was hard, but because I was so unmotivated everything bacame painfully unbearable. I can say that Germany killed my passion about nuclear fusion. At the end I didn't quit and since it was a erasmus scholarship after a year I had to change universities so I went to Spain where the professors I encountered do care about you, they like to teach and are passionate about fusion. Unfortunately it was already late for me and I still wasn't happy, and ended up finishing a master forcedly and mediocrely (because I didn't want to lose my scholarship) with not that great degrees which also affects now my job or PhD searching (I just finished the masters this summer).
For some reason, the was the undergrad degrees are taught in really theory heavy degrees such as physics, maths, electrical engineering, chem etc, are taught in a way where its less about the in depth knowledge and more about getting the next deadline done.
I have had a similar experience. I studied Games Engineering at TUM a few years ago because I was interested in game development. For me it was way too theoretical and I found the atmosphere there to be really cold. In the end I did not even attend the lectures because I saw no point in them. I am currently studying Design at the Hochschule München which I much prefer because I like being creative and working on my own projects. I think we are in the same building. The red brick building. I was surprised to see footage of it in your video.
very interesting. The path in life you choose is the one I want to avoid. I will be starting a PhD in Physics at LMU soon and I feel like ending up being a programmer would suck up all my motivation. Thanks your sharing your story
I don't have a PhD in Physics, but what do you expect you will be doing afterwards? I am fairly certain you will be doing a lot of programming ("using") in your respective modelling / simulation / math frameworks, unless you stick to teaching or shift to management positions
@@FarmerSchinken It is true that it is nigh impossible doing physics nowadays without programming. I am an experimentalists, and so far I’ve had to do programming to control instrumentation, data analysis, theoretical modeling of my experiments, etc. But still, the heart of it is something that I find really interesting: understanding physical phenomena. On the other hand, I find web/app development utterly boring.
I want to study physics at TUM and I will try next year. This video made me think a lot about this, thank you. I think I will try it again, I hope this is what I am happy with.
From what you're saying, the problem isn't the university at all. I suspect that scientific divulgation for the layman has caused a lot of misconceptions about science: When you watch science documentaries, it seems that "science is easy, it's about discovery and intuition! You go to the bathroom and BANG! You figured out the solution to all of mankind's problems!". Science is working on assignments (1:09) and watching lectures where "half of the people are sleeping" (2:37) EVERYDAY for 50 years. It's not that "the university is wrong", it's that you were idealizing something that wasn't true.
@@maxyoko The thing that you called flawed and dropped out of is my dream university experience. Sadly, no prestigious institutions such as TUM exist in my country. You have no idea what a truly flawed education system is like. Here, the most you can get is a good old 2 hour powerpoint readout class. So much knowledge to be gained from a 20+ year old powerpoint with outdated information being read outloud to me like im a fucking toddler! Forget about rigurous academic study, all you need to do to padd is fill out this crappy online form with like 5 multiple choice questions that were copypasted all over the internet! WOW! So much knowledge!!!! such education!!!! not... It actually infuriates me quite a lot to know there are people out there just like you who actually get a chance to go to a prestigious university to have a proper education, to do something more than just paying to buy a piece of paper, and in the end dont make the most of it because they actually werent cut out for it. You were gitfted an oportunity you did not deserve, and you threw it away anyways. That's all you said in this video. Fucking nuts.
I also left an engineering degree in a prestigious university here in Chile and it was painful at first but it was a wise decision to dropout. My mental health was struggling a lot those days.
As more you dig into a specific subject, as less importance has a university ranking. A small university can have most sophisticated research going on in a narrow field (but not in a wide range). And as you say, connection to companies or real world projects is closer out there "in the countryside". The huge universities might have good connections to huge companies (like Siemens in Munich), but the smaller universities, are better connected with medium size, more agile, more innovative companies.
Wow, I feel like I am exactly repeating your life (the only difference I took Math&Econ). From Top ranked university to a mid range university of applied sciences now (AI) 🙌🏾
One of the problems is that there are soo many opportunities for students at the TUM, but at the same time they are not really promoted in the right way. For example robot building, interships, etc. Those activities are the ones where you get to know more about the subject you are studying! Also different Sports and language trainings, all of those activities strengthen the bond to the organisation and your motivation to pass and study. I had the same issues and in my 3. And 4. Semester I didn't pass a single exam. Then i started getting engaged in those kinds of programs. I picked japanese for example and did that for all my remaining semesters and i took a job at my faculty. It really helped me understand and appreciate the TUM. Last month i left the tum with my masters degree and i even miss the time and i know i should have done even more of those external programs. I got myself a nice book collection though ^^ and a lot of free software.
Oh Japanese, very cool! Congrats on graduating 🤝 Yeah this is the downside of a normal university in Germany, you need to organize all of your practical experience yourself
I also started with Physics struggling with my family and find out the same scenario that you're talking about. Fortunately I was lucky enough to switch my Major in Robotics Engineering but still I can't escape that shock of 2 months( continuous classes and labs in Physics) For me, God listened to my heart and sent me a gift. Thanks for everything I got
I would like to respectfully disagree with you and offer an alternative view point. My motivation for this is partly to make some doubting students maybe reconsider leaving a physics career early on. Just for context: I am currently studying physics and I am just about to start my master thesis project, so I will be done with my master in roughly a year. I can totally relate to your feelings in the first semester of physics. Doing physics and maths assignments sucks, it really does. And in my experience it will not get easier faster, but rather you get used to it and you kind of grow as a consequence. Even though it does not feel like it while hustling away, your frustration tolerance increases very slowly and you come closer and closer to this analytical mindset, which is such a valueable skill of the physics path. I also felt very overwhelmed, especially in my first three semesters, but in my experience it gets better after that, partly because the examinations do not try to filter anymore, but also because you grow as a student. I was also thinking a lot about quitting in these first 1,5 years, but I am very happy I did not. Of course each individual is different and I am happy that you found your choice! There is a lot interesting stuff besides physics and your path so far sounds really nice. On your point of teaching style I have exactly the opposite opinion. In my estimation blackboard and chalk is the only format, which makes sense for most physics lectures, especially the basic ones. Because the basic lectures in experimental and in theoretical physics present you with highly complex and deep theories, on which modern physics and research are built and you really have to get most of the basics down (at least in concept) to understand the theories you will be working and expanding on as a researcher. Because of this complexity and depth, the lecture material is very very dense. For me even the blackboard writing of most lecturers was too fast to comprehend the discussed topics in the lecture. That is what the hard assignments are for, they force you to reread the lectures a lot and think about the concepts. That is why I am very convinced why blasting through ~40 powerpoint slides while students cannot make notes in real time is not the right style for at least these kinds of lectures. It is more fitting when the breadth of the topics is larger than the depth and you have to cover a lot of material. In some courses, especially the ones you choose yourself later on, for which the basics have been laid before, this is then the way to go. The format of the applied sciences programm sound like its very weel suited for the study goal! As you said: "It is all about preferences."
@@Isaac_sixhundred at least where I study people say that after the third semester it gets better and I can confirm that hahaha. I guess it also depends on the uni, but roughly it should also apply elsewhere
Ich studiere gerade Physik an der TU Darmstadt und die ersten beiden Semester liefen echt nicht gut und haben mir Energie genommen und mich mental ganz schön fertig gemacht. Ich hab bisher leider noch keine Alternative gefunden und habe allgemein nicht wirklich das Gefühl zu wissen, wo es hingehen soll, aber ich habe den Anspruch daran, eine Entscheidung zu treffen die mich glücklich macht, bis dahin bleibe ich aber erstmal dabei um durch Hochschulgruppen vielleicht auf andere Ideen zu bekommen. Die Situation stresst mich wirklich enorm, aber dein Video hat mich inspiriert und mir gezeigt, dass ich schon was finde, wenn ich aktiv danach suche :)
Ich wüsche dir auf jeden Fall viel Erfolg auf deinem weiteren Weg. Du bist auf jeden Fall nicht er einzige der bei Phyisik in den ersten Semestern leidet und für gewöhnlich soll es ab dem 3. oder 4. angenehmer werden. Es kommt wirklich drauf an ob man dafür brennt und bereit ist zu leiden, bei mir was es leider nicht Leidenschaft genug. Hoffe du findest etwas geeignetes, heutzutage gibts so unglaublich viel Auswahl, da ist sicher was dabei :)
Ne. Ab dem 4 Semester wird es nicht unbedingt immer besser. An der tum waren die letzten Semester für mich die schlimmsten. Nur die meisten haben bos dahin abgebrochen
Hey kann dir sagen, dass du da nicht alleine bist. Viele meiner freunde und ich selbst auch, haben an der TU Darmstadt angefangen und hatten genau das selbe Problem. Die unendlichen Prüfungsphasen, der unnötig hohe Theorieanteil und dann noch dass die harte Arbeit meist nur durch (wenn man Glück hat) schlechte Noten belohnt wird, ist einfach not it. Von ungefähr 15 Leuten sind 3 da geblieben (die haben kein Leben mehr) und der Rest hat sich woanders was gesucht und ist jetzt glücklich.
Ich wünsche Ihnen viel Erfolg. Mein Sohn hat dort studiert. Mathematik, Physik, Er sagte durchkommen ist alles. Ich vermute mal 50 % schaffen es nicht.
Take this from me, a masters student of Microelectronics Engineering at a university in the north of Germany ( I got my bachelors degree in Electrical Engineering from a prestigious university of technology in my country in west Africa and to my surprise, the system here in Germany is the same as the one in my country of origin), don’t expect to learn anything from your lectures. 75% of what you’d learn would be self taught ( thanks to TH-cam, Google and now chatGPT, that’s a lot easier), the other 25% would be from your classmates. You only use the lecture slides and exercises as guides for your exams.
@dekev7503 Tell me more, give more perspective. I'm also interested in microelectronics. Which university is it in Germany? And which university is it in West Africa? FUTA, OAU , FUTO, FUTMinna? :)
@@maxyoko Oh don't get me wrong, I did like the topics. I just didn't like the way they were presented and the "organizational" "structure" (if you can call it either of those) of the University, especially during the Covid-Times, where they decided randomly when we had to be present for lectures and so forth.
I studied in universities and universities of applied sciences. I think it depends on the career path and your personality in the end. Choosing one over the other will shape you for the future for the best or the worst.
Yeah i had a similar experience. I study also in a "hochschule für angewandte Wissenschaften" and its so so nice! We have many people coming from the big prestige unis who disliked, just like you, the teaching style, the lack of focus on projects and actual praxis and the connection to the Dozent. They even made the joke in the beginning "Hier werdet ihr nicht eure Dozenten beim Forschen stören" xdxd
Yeah I think Germany is also embracing Hochschulen more and more because they realized that they are actually valuable :) Very nice that you've found a good path!
Maybe, ist is somethibg special fpr physics or TUM. I've stuedied maths at a small university in a rural state in Germany. With some exceptions the vast majority of the teaching stuff were very commited to teaching. Maybe it's something that mathematicians like to talk about maths with other people. The classes were tought by either teaching-only staff or "ed researchers" which are profs who usually do research about education and didactics. These people were academically trained maths teachers and they loved teaching.
Hi Max, this is Arfin watching from Bangladesh . I was planning to apply TUm in master's program in computer science but I know I am scared of doing this after watching your videos about TUM. I am also kind of person who has similert mentality like you. I checked your current uni website but they don't offer any master in English.
So sad to hear that teaching got so bad. I know what you mean. I studied at the HS Fresenius and it was the best what I could do. I am a postdoc at the LMU right now. I love teaching students something. How else would be enlight the fire in a person for science? But you are right, the most people are not really made for teaching. This has to change. Thanks for your video!
really relate to the scenario of lectures (I've got a BS degree from a university and considering a second bachelor degree from TUM)... will sit down and think about my decision again
The thing with university is: Your absolutely right , Lectures suck! I study medicine and i went to only 2 Lectures ( i am currently 4th year) because Lectures are a waste of time. You wont learn anything just be going to lecture. Studying is about finding out what way of studying suits you! The most learning you get out of self study, sitting down reading books and exploring the topics for yourself. University is not school. You dont need to go to lectures! Nobody is interested in you or if youre attending! The University is only a place where you can take exams and get a degree. Its not less but also not more than that!
How different are exams in applied science universities compare to classic universities ? do applied universities have the ugly things you mentioned about in one of your videos ?!
I was in similar situation as you was but it took me a really long time to realise that I don't really want to study physics in Göttingen. COVID let me rethink my future. Sister encouraged me to take online data science classes, which I enjoyed very much. It's kind of a waste because I was only left with the last praktikum and thesis but leaving Göttingen was good for my mental health. I'm currently doing UoL online computer science bachelor and CU Boulder online master in data science in parallel. I have never felt this motivated when I was in Göttingen.
@@maxyoko It's possible only because UoL BsCS workload is nowhere near most German universities and CU Boulder does not have formal prerequisite for their online master programme. Boulder is also extremely flexible so I can just do their courses in my free time.
I do have a question I found on their page that 3rd countries have to pay for fees but it doesn't mention the countries so it would be cool if someone can give me some more information
Dude what? I went to TUM as well! I’m surprised I didn’t see you for the two months you were there, or maybe I did but I didn’t know that you did TH-cam. And I definitely can relate to this video. I was studying compsci and I got super bored of the coursework. It was super unmotivating and I was confused too because compsci was one of my favourite subjects in high school.
Since TUM is charging fees from non-EU students (4-6k euro per semester) starting from winter semester 2024, I am looking for another university where I could study Sustainable Resource Management. Does anyone know any alternatives at good universities in Germany?
I’m not in the uni and I have no interest in going to one but it was really interesting the way you were telling your story! Fellow programmer here btw! AI ftw 🙌
Ich bin auch aktuell im ersten Semester an der HM im Studiengang Wirtschaftsinformatik und finde es bis jetzt echt mega cool. Ich könnte mir in keinster weil vorstellen an einer normalen Universität zu studieren mit hunderten anderen in einem Studiengang...
I also studied the physic bachelor at tum and i would never do this again, this was and probably will be the hardest time in my life for my mental health. all people I know in my studies from tum are not mental health and they are really suffering from the uni and the stress
How do you earn money while studying? I mean, Munich is one of the most expensive cities in Germany, if not the most expensive, and you need somehow to pay for yourself. Can you tell how do you live there?
I made a video on how I make money as a student: th-cam.com/video/hUaCG4oMTl0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a04ayJt3ILI4CPLs And I also get some financial support from my parents :)
I know may be it could sound disrespectful but it is really not meant in that way, I want to ask you why didnt you choose LMU informatik ? I will be very happy if you answer
Hmm because I didn't want to study pure Informatik. Only Informatik would drive me insane but mixed with something creative like design, entrepreneurship and psychology was really attractive to me. The HM had this modern degree program called computer science and design and as a University of Applied Science, it's way more practical than classic universities which was very important to me
Hello i'm Yahya i'm morrocan and i have the last year in high school and i start consider about studying abroad and i'm still confused what i need tod o i'm intersting in computer science but i don't know what i need to do first is it consontrate in high school or searching for université abroad before schoolrships or searching for schoolrships before unevirstity do i need to learn Germany or just english beside my english not this good and you can noticed that if you read this.and hope if you can help me by giving me some instructions and advice
I also study Media Informatics at a small University of Applied Science in Amberg which is also in Bavaria. It sounds very similar to the Computer Science and Design degree and is also quite new. I think it's great. I will probably finish my Bachelor's this year and go into AI for my Master's. Good luck to you!
@@Nahbruv69 Ehrlich gesagt ist der Hauptgrund, dass es sich gut angeboten hat. An meiner jetzigen Hochschule zu bleiben, erspart mir Umzugsstress und das ist der, in meinen Augen, interessanteste Informatik Master, den man hier machen kann. KI entwickelt sich gerade aber auch insgesamt sehr spannend weiter und kann quasi überall eingesetzt werden. Deswegen denke ich, dass das Wissen, das man sich in dem Master aneignet, auch für sehr viele Informatikberufe, früher oder später, relevant wird.
This year I will finish my bachelor's degree so I want to enter master's degree to TUM. My subject is underground mining and I'm from Uzbekistan. Will I have to learn german language or is english enough me? Please help me to enter TUM. I don't have enough information
I will tell my experience... If someone is interested to read. I graduates from art school, decided to take an architecture degree, failed in Venice to take a scholarship I moved to another university, still about architecture. In the first we were like 300 in a room, as you said, half of were sleeping, was boring but still highly competitive. Architecture has been my first love, so I decided to try again, moved to another city started from zero. Less students, 60 in the room, still same method of teaching, just that now we were more interactive with the teacher. I failed again, and after 10 years I started veterinary medicine. Were I am combining all that knowlege about projecta, art, illustration, Photoshop, in medicine and anatomy. I completely twisted my life. Accepted to have failed twice, and despite that I loved those years. Something was not meant to be, but in the university I am studying now we are 15 in the room. The intimacy and the dialogue we do is amazing, real medicine talk, real research and real involvement, because is more easy to deal with 10-15 students than 300. This school is more expensive... So now I will say something controversial but if one day I have kids I would never let them chose a public university.... In some places private is better. Not everywhere, and is not just about money. They really make us participare and do things. Thinks that in other places you only see in a powerpoint. So maybe if you only went to another university with dynamic professor, your life was different. Some times you are OK, but the environment is not.
Fachhochschule regelt. Die Dozenten kennen dich mit Vornamen und gehen in der Klausurenphase bis abends durch die Räume um Fragen zu beantworten. Man kann auch zum Büro des Profs um Fragen zu stellen
You are not describing a deficit of classical universities - you just realized that there are actually two tracks in the German higher education system and applied sciences appeal more to you. I can guarantee you, that many "classical" university students prefer not being spoon-fed school-style lectures with mandatory attendance (worst case). Learning at a University usually requires lot of discipline, self-organization and intrinsic motivation. Knowing when to skip classes i part of that process ;-) But if you find yourself skipping classes in your first year(s) you are probably in the wrong place - or just really good.
We were told to reconsider our choice thoroughly by almost each professor in Karlsruhe in the very first lectures. Some have even hinted at the possibility that attending lectures can be replaced by studying text books and other scientific literature. Attending exercise lectures was deamt more important. However there was always someone around who we could ask questions. Forming learning groups was strongly encouraged. Part of studying consists of training self-discipline and organisational skills.
The education system is at least 1000 years old. There are accreditation mechanisms in place, science and education ministries have developed methods for the quality evaluation in place and the engineering organizations evaluate diplomas based on those. So it is very difficult to beat the system or wait for changes. Nowadays students have completely a wrong idea of what a university is. There used to be training institues which were dedicated to teach what to do. The university is for people who want to know how it works. The fundament of science about knowledge accumulation and research. But the university was much more prestigeous and people there were better paid. Now they mixed the two. So we have people who don't care about the origin of scientific knowledge and phylosophy and understanding, studying in the universities. And they want to get the same respect. Well. This is where the problem begins. Universities need to manage their finances to avoid depending on the government and they need to do research. So you get this messed up system to solve the dillema.
Can anybody suggest me a good business university in germany?? I looked up about munich business school but tution fee is very high for bachelors in international business
Even within a single university, there can be huge differences between different degree programs. My university (also German) really separates STEM-subjects from the humanities. STEM subjects tend to be a lot stricter in my experience. I only studied political science and cultural anthropology and religious science. I stopped with political science because I experienced something similar to you, along with first year anxieties. It was dry. All professors seemed to care about was making us buy their books and presenting us loads of theories without going in-depth or making us think. So I skipped classes just like you did. But everything changed after I switched from political science to cultural anthropology and religious science, especially with cultural anthropology. Our seminars where actually about discussing and sharing opinions. Our lecturers encouraged us to start our own research from the first semester on (it’s actually part of the curriculum). I’m still at the same university, and broadly even the same scientific area (humanities), but my experiences couldn’t be more different. Even the lectures in cultural anthropology make a lot more sense than they did in political science. They are giving us a brief and useful overview over the most important theories for our subject, and go more in-depth in the seminars, where we actually get to read texts connected to the theories. And I can tell that our professors and lecturers are a lot more passionate about this than the ones I witnessed in political science. They want to talk to us, get to know us, discuss things. I started during the pandemic and I could see them suffering when nobody had the courage to ask or say anything. Not everything is good however. As it often happens in the humanities, we get less funding compared to subjects in STEM or law, medicine and business and economics. It’s a shame. And of course there’s the usual issues within the scientific system in Germany with people having insecure jobs, working overtime and not getting enough money or long enough contracts to feel safe enough to start families. Our government should really invest more into education and change their laws to ensure more job security within universities. I want my university to be doing well and to see a future for my lecturers, friends and myself. Things have to change. We used to have the best universities in the world. And I feel like the German government would very much like our universities to be successful like they were again, but they aren’t willing to put in the laws and funding to actually achieve this (not that I would want us to be the best of the best, only caring about scores - but I would want our education to be BETTER than it currently is).
Same with me, I am student of RTU and i can really say that we have only a few Professors, who cares about you and they are trying to do some action in order to teach you effectively, however math and physics ( btw i am not familiar with this subjects as my math and physics in basic level, maybe even lower) i am perceive that i do not desire to present at this lectures as no one listen them and doing the other stuff during the lecture. Additionally, i don't think so that i need that 2 subjects in my field, as programmer needs only logic skills and alghorithm and such this stuff so that i am totally hate this subjects
I had an irrational plan. i was graduated from high school 6 years ago and had a low mark at math and consider to apply bachelor's business school at TUM, what's your advice?
I think universities are normally better for a masters degree, where you actually need in-depth knowledge about specific topics. For the bacherlors degree, I prefer the universities of applied sciences with their more general approach.
100% agree!
why do you think that Fachhochschulen have more general approach?
I am not a 100% sure, but i think thst you cant continue your studies in TU's when you attain a bachelor's degree from TH's. Let me know if i am right or wrong.
@@nikhilbandaru You can do that. In fact, its harder to switch from Uni to TH because in a TH bachelor you get 210 Credits compared to only 180 in Uni. So you have to get 30 Credits extra to do a masters degree at TH after Uni. However when doing a masters degree in Uni after doing a bachelors degree in TH you might have to do some extra courses (mostly Mathematics) because they are not taught at TH.
Personally I like TU more than Htw, for the following reasons:
1. you meet more friends, which means you have more chances meet some better friends at TU.
2. Studying at TU requires more self study and less coursework, which is totally amazing since you can adapt your study with your own pace of each subject (you can invest way time in subjects you are good at and more time in the others)
3. More elective courses
4. Less mandatory courses since they are often combined, in comparison to HTW where each mandatory course specifically introduces one small field (again, more time for yourself)
I pursued my undergraduate degree in chemistry, and I can honestly say that there were many concepts I struggled to see the real-world applications for initially. However, it was only by persevering through every aspect of my studies that I eventually managed to connect the dots. When it comes to your academic choices, remember that college is meant to be challenging. It's important to face the initial boredom and resist the urge to give up, as this journey ultimately leads to valuable insights and growth.
I think i know what you mean. The first time i felt really fullfilled and interested in my undergrad in physics again was in the deeper topics which were built on top of those really difficult basics
I really like what you are saying here! If you are willing to suffer for something and see true passion in it, you can push through the tough beginnings ^^
I think there should be discomfort, not proper "boredom". If you're trying to put in the work and suffering, it may be a sign you're in the wrong place, and there's nothing wrong with it. Sometimes it would be better for someone to learn the practical stuff first, and then go to uni, once they can tell how the theoretical stuff is going to help in the bigger picture (although that isn't possible for many professions).
@@fuma9532 I do believe you might have misunderstood me if the answer was adressed to my previous answer. I was never bored. The topics where really interesting. But being stuck in the basics for so long really kills your spirit. Coming to more modern applications of those basics was the spark which rekindled the fire. But you might be right as to sciencenot being the right choice in that case . I actually switched my studies to education in physics and mathematics after my undergrad ^^.
It’s really nice to hear your story. I just left TUM after one year of engineering sciences. It was a big mental struggle to leave a university with such a good reputation and career opportunities, but it was just making me so depressed. Now I changed to a different, smaller university for architecture studies. Just because some things are hard, they’re not necessarily worth it.
my housemate studies architecture at TUM and yeah that stuff's brutal 👀 Glad that you've found your way ^^
"Just because some things are hard, they're not necessarily worth it." thank you such an interesting quote
can u possibly let me know wich university are u currently in thinking of switching too
The quality of education in Germany should be similar in Bachelors…
…at least if the university looks like it receives enough money to not break apart like many in Nordrhein Westfalen (German state) do.
Choose the one with the best fitting modules/curriculum to your future career path rather than some imaginary reputation that only people from those specific universities care about.
Greetings from the 2nd best rankend university for mechanical engineering in Germany
@@maxmustermann7365 which in NRW are breaking apart?
I think there is one thing a lot of people get wrong when they start at University. The University curriculum is designed to train you as a scientist. This also means and requires a lot of intrinsic motivation and the skill to learn things by your self (both expected for scientists), while FHs (universities of applied science) is more like school, more like a training and education for a practical job.
In my oppinion it is not wrong, that expecially the first semesters are quite hard, so students find out early if the subjects fits them and wether they have sufficient intrinsic motivation. You are a good example, it would have been worse for you if you would have found out a few semesters later that physics dosn't fit you.
If however you manage the first years and proceed you will get involved into the research (during your Bachelor, Master and PhD- thesis) and the university gets less anonymous.
I've enjoyed (and sufferd) through university and finally obtained my PhD in physics, thus I can understand your pain in the beginning and agree on some points about teaching (demotevated professors in the beginner lectures) but strongly disagree on one point: Blackboards and chalk are good for theory. It's much better to develop a thought/model/theory over many blackboards (and it can be done in a good understandable and entertaining way) than to have it split into many slides where you miss theoverview.
Thank you for sharing your opinion ^^
University is for big brains man, shit is stressful af but I love it
Hi, I’m studying at TUM, currently B. Sc. Computer Science, and would like to specialize in AI. I totally agree with you, that some lectures can get boring when it’s dry theory and there is a lack of motivation (maybe by oneself, maybe the professor, or maybe the sleeping students around you) and experienced it myself. A few friends of mine study at Hochschule München (university it applied sciences), some study at LMU. Since most of us went for computer science, the experience can be more or less compared.
- When studying at a university with a lot of people, I highly recommend finding or building a friend circle of highly motivated and optimistic people. They will help you make studying fun, and spending time at the university more pleasurable than considering it a jail. Also attend to gaming events and try to suppress the “introvert” and “do nothing because you feel like”. Universities take a lot of time- & social input.
- For the universities with smaller groups of people, some my friends already entered as a “friend circle”. Listening to their stories it felt more like a school atmosphere, where they experienced fun in being more of a chaotic circle.
I think to properly decide which is better for you, just go to one and see if that’s your teaching style, that I definitely agree with.
I would also recommend everyone to go to a university for at least ~1 semester. A lot of my friends, myself included, studied for a year to realize they are not studying what they really want to, and switches faculty. (I switched Games Engineering -> CS).
Max, I think your experience can also be generalized not just to university types, but also contents of studying. It’s essential to experience “what and how you thought you wanted to study” to know “what and how you actually want to study”
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 🫶
@justanotherhotguy bro can you help me out
CAN you help me to apply tu TUM
great video. One thing I would highly recommand to everyone who is starting their education in German university as an international student, "Attend the lectures." You will find alot about the career you are trying to achieve. Applied Science universities have small number of student and Germany not having compulsory attendace make people skip classes even more. Lesser the students, more professor will know you. You can allways ask them for career advices and they will helo genuinely- but the condition is you have to come to the university. I have friends who were lost about their future careers or confused, but professors have helped them out. They can also recommand you the companies according to your experties in certain field which will help you a lot. I have done it personally and my professor helped as I was regularly attending the class, he knew me.
You can always ask. it's not that big of a deal when you are curious about something and you also have some basic knowledge about that field. So, Try to attend the classes, work on certain skills and as my Friend has always said, "STAY FOCUSED" ‼
Sounds like your professor is a great person who actually cares about students! One thing I must say tho is that usually at a University of Applied Sciences, the classes are mandatory, it's a bit like school.
Great advice man, stay focused!
@@maxyoko Yeah he really is. Many professors are actually very supportive. Lucky to get the advice from them.
I did my bachelor master at TUM (Freising campus though...) and always had the same feeling. When I then did my PhD there I saw the problem from the other side. All the lectures are spread between different chairs and the spread it to different profs and subsequently to different PhD students. All the teaching is huge distraction to your research and most try to dumb it down as much as possible. So it becomes a charade we ask the same questions so the students can use the same catalogues to prepare and in the end you get similar results each year. The lectures are happy because they did not have to spend too much time and can focus on research again. The students are happy because the get quite good grades, even without attending classes. And the faculty is happy because people stay in the programs.
However curiosity and hands on experience are lacking.
Best would be bachelor on applied university, master (if you are really interested in a topic) at a normal university.
yeah agree with that! This might be a good path to take
Yes... I am not a Dr. but gained the same insight while still at a TU in the 80ties. A close friend of mine got the energy for a PhD..."course" and I built an aparatus for him. Well, I did a second chance education after a 3 years apprenticeship. I could do that. 😉...He had to do loads of work aside his research. To say the truth... bis research was the free time job. Guess you agree. Took him 5 years or so. Terrible. Never had the idea to do that. From skilled worker to Dipl.-Ing. TU was enough for me!
Respect for you guys anyway!😊
Which uni is better in the Europe when it comes to teaching, I always look for a uni where profs know how teach .
Can you please name a few ??
I am a Masters student in Mechanical Engineering in India. For phd I try my fortune elsewhere.
Thanks
It's really helpful to have a sense of where you're headed in the future, as it can guide you in becoming who you want to be. You did an amazing job! Well done!
The same thing happened to me in Spain. I am Spanish and when I graduated from high school, I had to choose a career. I didn't have many options because I could only go to the university in my city and I couldn't go to another university where they had the degree I would have liked to study.
Back to the subject, when I chose a degree from the list of that university, I chose GENERAL ENGINEERING (there was electronic engineering, mechanical engineering, environmental engineering, etc.). I had chosen it because I didn't know what to do, I was 17 at the time, and as I was good at mathematics, physics and chemistry, I could do well.
THE WHOLE COURSE WAS EXACTLY AS IT WAS IN GERMANY. The teachers read the power point slides they had made and spent 2 to 3 hours talking, they even took time out of the 30 minute lunch break to give their class because otherwise "we wouldn't finish the subject and that would be included in the exam". Even when you asked him a question, he would read the slide again or answer "there are infinite ways of solving it, it all depends on the problem". How can a teacher answer something like that to a question that is "I don't understand how to solve this exercise in the book".
During the class many slept, many played video games or watched a series. We were 110 people in a class and because I was late I had the bad luck to sit at the end of the class where I could see nothing and hear nothing. That day I couldn't write anything down and I felt helpless because I, wanting to learn, couldn't if I didn't have the means.
At the end of the first year I left the course because I could no longer afford to pay for it because it was so expensive and I started to work and to look for a career that I liked. Now I am in Germany and I have found the career that I have been passionate about since I was 7 years old. Yes, I must admit that it is difficult, that it can be as you said in the video, but after leaving school, reflecting and maturing, seeing how the working world is and how life is, I realised that if I want to do it, I can't back out. I worked hard to learn German, I worked hard to get a good job and to combine it with my studies. I worked so hard that I don't want to give up just like that. Even if the course is difficult, it would hurt me more if I had to give it up because of everything I had to go through to get there.
Very nice that you share your story here, really appreciate it! ❤️
@@maxyoko Thanks you so much for reading me 😊
You mentioned a career that you like now but didn't clarify what it is. Could you elaborate?
Yea I'm curious too, what career isit? I'm clueless on what I wanna do too and need inspiration
@@grapefruitsyrup8185 Love doing UI/UX design and content creation
You actually changed my whole perspective of my choices with this one video. I have decided to come to Germany for my Bachelor in Computer Science in 2024 and I have (ofc) opted for a uni. I always hated the concept of a single exam deciding your life. I believe in practical knowledge than theoretical. So I've made my decision to opt for University of applied sciences. I hope I can come to Germany and build a great career!
Wow that's crazy, wish you the best on your journey! 🫶
Idk but on my the university I attend (Also for applied sciences) It is structured the same way, where only one exam considers the whole grade of the course.
Where are you from?
@@jebamahjabin7895 Germany
I have to tell you young man, you did the right choice. Not just because that's what makes you excited but also the IT industry is fairly rewarding in terms of compensation and opportunities not just locally but overseas. Good luck in your journey!
Wish you the best on your journey as well!
You fundamentally misunderstood what a lecture is. I studied Physics in Göttingen and the real learning took place at home with books and in study groups working with friends on your weekly assingments.
You complain that the Professor doesn't know you and isn't interested in teaching. But how is he supposed to know you when there's 200 students in the hall every new year? And teaching? My advice is to treat lectures as going to the movies. It's mainly uninteractive (in your first semesters) but it's great to meet your peers whith whom you can work. Plus, there's also the practices which are lead by doctorates or higher semesters where you are free to ask all sorts of questions.
Anyway, two months is wayyy too short a time to reach any conclusions on University Life. Uni takes time to adjust to because nobody holds your hand. But with the right mindest, it can become one of the most rewarding experiences of your life.
If you find out that it's not for you, that's completely fine. But don't blame the system when you've only just gazed at the surface.
Thanks for sharing your opinion
I'm at a new university now and they handle things very differently, with less theory and a more practical approach. In the end it's just preferences when it comes to the education system
love the quality of editing and video!
Thanks a lot, love ur comment 🫶
amazing take and i can understand the mental anguish of being stuck and trying to grind through something which does not yield any positive result. i am glad you found your new home!
Really appreciate your words!
Almost the same thing happened to me. I graduated in 2021 from really good high school at my home town and decided I wanted to study at the best uni possible, which was Physics at Charles University in Prague. I also found lectures for 250 people boring, mainly mathematics. Toward the end of semester I also started skipping lectures and felt really unmotivated to study math. I even passed the final exams from physics and programming with A's, but just couldn't get myself to properly study math and pass those exams. Next semester rolled out and I gave up completely. Was thinking what to do next, decided to try again at uni in my home town. It is so much better experience for me. There is about 20 of us in each year and professors actually care if you pass the exams or not. And you even get to know them and vice versa. This frendlier approach even ignited a passion for mathematics inside me. So anyways I'm still studying physics and I really like it. So all that matters is that you should like what you study. If I look back, the main reason why I failed the math courses is because I hated them. If I liked math I would get myself to study it or pass the exam in some way. I don't want to say it wasn't my fault that I failed (beacuse it was), but I can clearly see that a lot of people struggle in unis especially their first semester so there are definitely some problems out there.
Thanks for sharing your story, I'm glad that you found your way 🫶
Interesting video, nice that you have found a suiting career path for you early on. I am a physicist (working as a lecturer/researcher) having studied at a university in Germany. The subject is really challenging but once you get over the first 1-2 years it becomes awarding imo. The problem in the beginning is that your brain basically gets reprogrammed. The exercise sheets you have to solve are challenging and usually it is better to work on them in groups with your peers. Nonetheless, studying Physics or Mathematics is not for everyone and has to be chosen carefully.
very valuable to know! Nice that you actually pushed through to the end. Wish you the best on your journey 🫶
I think in natural sciences and engineering universities teach you how the world works at an abstract level, whereas universities of applied science prepare you for a job. If you are thriving for knowledge the first may be better, whereas if you are thriving for learning a job the latter may be better. It is a wrong concept to expect from someone, who graduated from university, to be able to do a specific job at a company, but they may carry the potential and knowledge as well as organizational skill to learn how to do not a specific but any job at a company quickly.
there is definitely some truth to it, although it depends on what degree you are studying. Physics might well be one of these degrees where you can literally slide into any position
I believe that's why germany produces a lot of very good researchers but not so much entrepeneurs, artists and alike. The university system is simply built in such a way.
damn, there might be some truth in that 👀
I acctually like that Teaching Style You are Complainiing about! You don't know how Lucky You are! I want to go to Uni but can't!
Different people have different preferences :)
@@maxyoko My Main Point was: You left Uni becouse You didn't like things like Teaching Style, while at the same Time I can't atend Uni! I am so Jelous that You trew away the thing I want the most in Life! After I saw that I started crying!
@@tomislavnagy8715 I didn't leave uni entirely, I just switched to another one.
And I'm sorry for that, wish you the best on your journey.
@@maxyoko Thank You. I'm still Hoping I will go to Uni!
tf
I was fortunate enough to not have any financial pressure in Uni which allowed me to switch what I studied a lot.
Started off with Geography and Biology, switched to Bioinformatics at a more practically focussed Uni(for some of the same reasons you mentioned about the classic education system) and then switched again to social sciences at a regular Uni.
In hindsight the journey was very productive and I learned a ton, even though I just got one degree.
Very nice that it worked out for you in the end! Wish you the best on your journey 🫶
2:25 I do. I study maths at hamburg and a) if one person knows their stuff why not communicate it to all at once? b) this has proven to be efficient for hundreds of years c) chalksound is great :P i prefer the chalkboard over a whiteboard, beamer setup or other method when it comes to an expert teaching foundations and ways go approach problems in a field to a large audience.
Even with lets say 200 students in an inteoductory course the professor won't onow you, ask you where you were last class if you're the type who skips, just wants to pass. But if you're engaged in the subject, ask questions etc. they ofc do care and find joy in sparking your joy in their subject
I myself have chosen a University of applied sciences in Germany and I love it. It brings together the good aspects of the "High School" kinda environment like small classes which feels more personal with the aspects of University like incredibly competant and smart Professors. Most of them have had a career in their respective Industry so they're settled down now and actually want to teach and help students. I study electrical engineering and I can always come to my Profs for help if I have problems with a certain PCB for example
Really feel what you're saying haha, being there is really nice
Did my computer science degree at TUM, please don't do that mistake. Rankings and (teaching) reality couldn't be further apart than there.
There is definitely some truth in that!
As a tutor who gives practical courses at a university in Germany, your statements are very helpful.
Really appreciate the amazing work you‘re doing!
So you left early, like hundreds. By the 2nd semester there will be 70 students left. 4th semester 30 and so on... You actually need to fight trough the first 2 semesters anonymously and after that you will get to know your professors and it will be just like in high school.
yeah true, they are known for massively sorting out people with the first couple of exams
This is honestly something I needed to see. I am in Peru and studying in one of the best universities here, but it all feels just so empty and at times helpless. I study Computer Science, and the way the university teaches the career is by doing two years of general studies (for some reason I had to take mechanical drawing? Cool and all but like why lol) and three years of career-focused studies.
Once I entered the career-focused stage my grades began to drop so much and I've been failing around two courses per semester so far. It hurt a lot because I thought I just couldn't do it, but after retaking some of the ones I failed with a different teacher I noticed just how much the attitude of those who teach it can influence the way I perform. I know I should mainly rely on myself to study (and I do admit I sacrificed studying some courses just so I can pass others), but just the way they teach stuff is so outdated and some of the teachers are just so full of themselves that they can't or won't recognize that the system they use is flawed. I know I'm not a bad student, not perfect, but definitely not bad, but it's frustrating when my efforts are thrown to the toilet because of one shitty method of note-grading.
Again, I do recognize that there have been opportunities that I could've done more and pass some courses, but it's just depressing for me to know that despite doing good 95% of the semester, failing a single exam can undo all that effort in a matter of 3 hours; and again, not to mention just how archaic some tests are: if I'm going to be taught C++, let me do something cool with it and think out of the box, don't limit me to the way it was done in the 90s and only do reports.
Rant over, but it's just frustrating to study something you love but at the same time hate because of how it's taught lol
really feel what you mean, a lot of the degree programs are messed up because of the weird academic approach. The entire higher education system desperately needs some changes
Thank you for sharing your story 🫶
Very well shot and informative video! I totally agree that the anonymity of big universities is a negative factor. I would suggest studying in learning groups with peers and going to smaller tutoring classes, for people who feel the same about this.
100% agree! Good comment :)
You makes a good first point. This was my impression when I studied my master in Italy. I took my bachelor's in Asia. I observed that the bachelor program was very boring and I think this isn't only in Italy but also in other European countries. The preschool until high-schools are amazing in Europe. But, when it comes to the university then it's very different as you mentioned in the video.
yeah the entire higher education system desperately needs some change
thanks for the advices broskii
I got accepted in the Embedded systems masters engineering program at Duisburg Essen university, but I am considering applying to a more application-oriented masters program in a university of applied science. It is very difficult to leave a prestigious high rank university and study in a Fachhochschule.
Wish you the best on your journey! 🫶
you should not overestimate the value of a "prestigous university" in germany.
Nearly all "Hochschulen" in Germany are statefonded, therefore "Prestige" usually just comes from public research instituts not from good education.
Employers in Germany know this, and do not really differ between universities.
Oh, I wish I had known about this course earlier! Great video!
Glad it was helpful! 🫶
What would you write in your CV for your gap year? Since I also want to do that. And how did you get money during that year? (I'm from Germany too if that's necessary)
You can do internships, work an actual job, or create projects.
I worked a part-time job, did some freelancing and I also have really supportive parents :)
@@maxyoko Danke. :D What kind of projects would go into a CV?
@@galaxydave3807 definitely everything related to freelance. Or coding projects, filmmaking, social media, volunteering
@@maxyoko Dankeschön! Good luck furthermore in life!
@@galaxydave3807 Thanks, you too! Vor allem viel Erfolg in deinem Gap Year!
The first part pretty much describes what my problem was with German universities. I am Colombian and I got a scholarship for a masters degree in Nuclear Fusion and after my first semester I wanted to quit. Not because it was hard, but because I was so unmotivated everything bacame painfully unbearable. I can say that Germany killed my passion about nuclear fusion. At the end I didn't quit and since it was a erasmus scholarship after a year I had to change universities so I went to Spain where the professors I encountered do care about you, they like to teach and are passionate about fusion. Unfortunately it was already late for me and I still wasn't happy, and ended up finishing a master forcedly and mediocrely (because I didn't want to lose my scholarship) with not that great degrees which also affects now my job or PhD searching (I just finished the masters this summer).
Thank you far sharing your story! Wish you the best on your journey, you got this :)
For some reason, the was the undergrad degrees are taught in really theory heavy degrees such as physics, maths, electrical engineering, chem etc, are taught in a way where its less about the in depth knowledge and more about getting the next deadline done.
yep totally agree, it's all about just passing the exams
I have had a similar experience. I studied Games Engineering at TUM a few years ago because I was interested in game development. For me it was way too theoretical and I found the atmosphere there to be really cold. In the end I did not even attend the lectures because I saw no point in them. I am currently studying Design at the Hochschule München which I much prefer because I like being creative and working on my own projects. I think we are in the same building. The red brick building. I was surprised to see footage of it in your video.
hey, what a coincidence! The design building is really premium haha
Hey, am also considering to study design at the Hochschule München. Can you tell me more about this program? :)
very interesting. The path in life you choose is the one I want to avoid. I will be starting a PhD in Physics at LMU soon and I feel like ending up being a programmer would suck up all my motivation. Thanks your sharing your story
Wish you the best on your journey!
I don't have a PhD in Physics, but what do you expect you will be doing afterwards? I am fairly certain you will be doing a lot of programming ("using") in your respective modelling / simulation / math frameworks, unless you stick to teaching or shift to management positions
@@FarmerSchinken It is true that it is nigh impossible doing physics nowadays without programming. I am an experimentalists, and so far I’ve had to do programming to control instrumentation, data analysis, theoretical modeling of my experiments, etc. But still, the heart of it is something that I find really interesting: understanding physical phenomena. On the other hand, I find web/app development utterly boring.
I want to study physics at TUM and I will try next year. This video made me think a lot about this, thank you. I think I will try it again, I hope this is what I am happy with.
Dude that's great, wish you the best on your journey!
By the way... do maths, maths, maths, maths... and not to forget maths. Now! 😉👍
How well do you work under pressure?
From what you're saying, the problem isn't the university at all. I suspect that scientific divulgation for the layman has caused a lot of misconceptions about science: When you watch science documentaries, it seems that "science is easy, it's about discovery and intuition! You go to the bathroom and BANG! You figured out the solution to all of mankind's problems!". Science is working on assignments (1:09) and watching lectures where "half of the people are sleeping" (2:37) EVERYDAY for 50 years. It's not that "the university is wrong", it's that you were idealizing something that wasn't true.
Wish that someone told me this in school 👀
@@maxyoko The thing that you called flawed and dropped out of is my dream university experience. Sadly, no prestigious institutions such as TUM exist in my country. You have no idea what a truly flawed education system is like. Here, the most you can get is a good old 2 hour powerpoint readout class. So much knowledge to be gained from a 20+ year old powerpoint with outdated information being read outloud to me like im a fucking toddler! Forget about rigurous academic study, all you need to do to padd is fill out this crappy online form with like 5 multiple choice questions that were copypasted all over the internet! WOW! So much knowledge!!!! such education!!!! not...
It actually infuriates me quite a lot to know there are people out there just like you who actually get a chance to go to a prestigious university to have a proper education, to do something more than just paying to buy a piece of paper, and in the end dont make the most of it because they actually werent cut out for it. You were gitfted an oportunity you did not deserve, and you threw it away anyways. That's all you said in this video. Fucking nuts.
This kind of honest review we need.
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Nice video, man. Wish you a lot of success.
I also left an engineering degree in a prestigious university here in Chile and it was painful at first but it was a wise decision to dropout. My mental health was struggling a lot those days.
Thank you for alerting us.
Any time!
As more you dig into a specific subject, as less importance has a university ranking. A small university can have most sophisticated research going on in a narrow field (but not in a wide range). And as you say, connection to companies or real world projects is closer out there "in the countryside". The huge universities might have good connections to huge companies (like Siemens in Munich), but the smaller universities, are better connected with medium size, more agile, more innovative companies.
Wow, I feel like I am exactly repeating your life (the only difference I took Math&Econ). From Top ranked university to a mid range university of applied sciences now (AI) 🙌🏾
One of the problems is that there are soo many opportunities for students at the TUM, but at the same time they are not really promoted in the right way. For example robot building, interships, etc. Those activities are the ones where you get to know more about the subject you are studying!
Also different Sports and language trainings, all of those activities strengthen the bond to the organisation and your motivation to pass and study.
I had the same issues and in my 3. And 4. Semester I didn't pass a single exam. Then i started getting engaged in those kinds of programs. I picked japanese for example and did that for all my remaining semesters and i took a job at my faculty. It really helped me understand and appreciate the TUM.
Last month i left the tum with my masters degree and i even miss the time and i know i should have done even more of those external programs. I got myself a nice book collection though ^^ and a lot of free software.
Oh Japanese, very cool! Congrats on graduating 🤝
Yeah this is the downside of a normal university in Germany, you need to organize all of your practical experience yourself
I also started with Physics struggling with my family and find out the same scenario that you're talking about. Fortunately I was lucky enough to switch my Major in Robotics Engineering but still I can't escape that shock of 2 months( continuous classes and labs in Physics) For me, God listened to my heart and sent me a gift. Thanks for everything I got
Very nice to hear that you've found your way!
@@maxyoko Keep me in your prayer ☺
I would like to respectfully disagree with you and offer an alternative view point. My motivation for this is partly to make some doubting students maybe reconsider leaving a physics career early on.
Just for context: I am currently studying physics and I am just about to start my master thesis project, so I will be done with my master in roughly a year.
I can totally relate to your feelings in the first semester of physics. Doing physics and maths assignments sucks, it really does. And in my experience it will not get easier faster, but rather you get used to it and you kind of grow as a consequence. Even though it does not feel like it while hustling away, your frustration tolerance increases very slowly and you come closer and closer to this analytical mindset, which is such a valueable skill of the physics path. I also felt very overwhelmed, especially in my first three semesters, but in my experience it gets better after that, partly because the examinations do not try to filter anymore, but also because you grow as a student. I was also thinking a lot about quitting in these first 1,5 years, but I am very happy I did not. Of course each individual is different and I am happy that you found your choice! There is a lot interesting stuff besides physics and your path so far sounds really nice.
On your point of teaching style I have exactly the opposite opinion. In my estimation blackboard and chalk is the only format, which makes sense for most physics lectures, especially the basic ones. Because the basic lectures in experimental and in theoretical physics present you with highly complex and deep theories, on which modern physics and research are built and you really have to get most of the basics down (at least in concept) to understand the theories you will be working and expanding on as a researcher. Because of this complexity and depth, the lecture material is very very dense. For me even the blackboard writing of most lecturers was too fast to comprehend the discussed topics in the lecture. That is what the hard assignments are for, they force you to reread the lectures a lot and think about the concepts. That is why I am very convinced why blasting through ~40 powerpoint slides while students cannot make notes in real time is not the right style for at least these kinds of lectures. It is more fitting when the breadth of the topics is larger than the depth and you have to cover a lot of material. In some courses, especially the ones you choose yourself later on, for which the basics have been laid before, this is then the way to go. The format of the applied sciences programm sound like its very weel suited for the study goal!
As you said: "It is all about preferences."
Thanks for sharing your opinion, really appreciate it!
I rarely get such a thoughtful and deep comment :)
Im studying physics and soon the third semester will start. Thanks for your words.
@@Isaac_sixhundred at least where I study people say that after the third semester it gets better and I can confirm that hahaha. I guess it also depends on the uni, but roughly it should also apply elsewhere
Thank you man really felt this in my heart ❤
Glad to hear that 🫶
Ich studiere gerade Physik an der TU Darmstadt und die ersten beiden Semester liefen echt nicht gut und haben mir Energie genommen und mich mental ganz schön fertig gemacht. Ich hab bisher leider noch keine Alternative gefunden und habe allgemein nicht wirklich das Gefühl zu wissen, wo es hingehen soll, aber ich habe den Anspruch daran, eine Entscheidung zu treffen die mich glücklich macht, bis dahin bleibe ich aber erstmal dabei um durch Hochschulgruppen vielleicht auf andere Ideen zu bekommen. Die Situation stresst mich wirklich enorm, aber dein Video hat mich inspiriert und mir gezeigt, dass ich schon was finde, wenn ich aktiv danach suche :)
Ich wüsche dir auf jeden Fall viel Erfolg auf deinem weiteren Weg. Du bist auf jeden Fall nicht er einzige der bei Phyisik in den ersten Semestern leidet und für gewöhnlich soll es ab dem 3. oder 4. angenehmer werden. Es kommt wirklich drauf an ob man dafür brennt und bereit ist zu leiden, bei mir was es leider nicht Leidenschaft genug. Hoffe du findest etwas geeignetes, heutzutage gibts so unglaublich viel Auswahl, da ist sicher was dabei :)
Ne. Ab dem 4 Semester wird es nicht unbedingt immer besser. An der tum waren die letzten Semester für mich die schlimmsten. Nur die meisten haben bos dahin abgebrochen
@@Jacke_sullydarf ich fragen, was du stattdessen machst? :)
Hey kann dir sagen, dass du da nicht alleine bist. Viele meiner freunde und ich selbst auch, haben an der TU Darmstadt angefangen und hatten genau das selbe Problem. Die unendlichen Prüfungsphasen, der unnötig hohe Theorieanteil und dann noch dass die harte Arbeit meist nur durch (wenn man Glück hat) schlechte Noten belohnt wird, ist einfach not it. Von ungefähr 15 Leuten sind 3 da geblieben (die haben kein Leben mehr) und der Rest hat sich woanders was gesucht und ist jetzt glücklich.
Ich wünsche Ihnen viel Erfolg. Mein Sohn hat dort studiert. Mathematik, Physik,
Er sagte durchkommen ist alles. Ich vermute mal 50 % schaffen es nicht.
I have to say I really enjoy that our physics Professors use the chalk board. The chalk board is one of the advantages of maths and physics
classy :)
Take this from me, a masters student of Microelectronics Engineering at a university in the north of Germany ( I got my bachelors degree in Electrical Engineering from a prestigious university of technology in my country in west Africa and to my surprise, the system here in Germany is the same as the one in my country of origin), don’t expect to learn anything from your lectures. 75% of what you’d learn would be self taught ( thanks to TH-cam, Google and now chatGPT, that’s a lot easier), the other 25% would be from your classmates. You only use the lecture slides and exercises as guides for your exams.
And that university is TUHH?
Well said, that's basically how uni works :)
@dekev7503 Tell me more, give more perspective. I'm also interested in microelectronics. Which university is it in Germany?
And which university is it in West Africa? FUTA, OAU , FUTO, FUTMinna?
:)
I had the same problem in TUM. So I moved to another degree program in Denmark at KU. Turns out its much more engaging.
Glad that you found something you like ^^
@@maxyoko Oh don't get me wrong, I did like the topics. I just didn't like the way they were presented and the "organizational" "structure" (if you can call it either of those) of the University, especially during the Covid-Times, where they decided randomly when we had to be present for lectures and so forth.
Wish you the best. By what you told in in the video i'm sure you made the write choice.
Thanks, you too! Switched to the university of applied sciences in Munich
Cooles Video! Kann deine Entscheidung voll nachvollziehen.
Danke dir! ^^
Bro which university will you prefer for an international student to study On Computer science /Robotics & Automation?@@maxyoko
@@maxyoko bro which university will you prefer To Study on Computer science -Robotics & Automation?
I studied in universities and universities of applied sciences. I think it depends on the career path and your personality in the end. Choosing one over the other will shape you for the future for the best or the worst.
True that!
Yeah i had a similar experience. I study also in a "hochschule für angewandte Wissenschaften" and its so so nice! We have many people coming from the big prestige unis who disliked, just like you, the teaching style, the lack of focus on projects and actual praxis and the connection to the Dozent. They even made the joke in the beginning "Hier werdet ihr nicht eure Dozenten beim Forschen stören" xdxd
Yeah I think Germany is also embracing Hochschulen more and more because they realized that they are actually valuable :)
Very nice that you've found a good path!
Brother, you have great clarity and decision making ability for your age. All the best
Appreciate it ❤️
Maybe, ist is somethibg special fpr physics or TUM. I've stuedied maths at a small university in a rural state in Germany. With some exceptions the vast majority of the teaching stuff were very commited to teaching. Maybe it's something that mathematicians like to talk about maths with other people. The classes were tought by either teaching-only staff or "ed researchers" which are profs who usually do research about education and didactics. These people were academically trained maths teachers and they loved teaching.
Hi Max, this is Arfin watching from Bangladesh . I was planning to apply TUm in master's program in computer science but I know I am scared of doing this after watching your videos about TUM. I am also kind of person who has similert mentality like you. I checked your current uni website but they don't offer any master in English.
They have some masters degrees in English but not many
So sad to hear that teaching got so bad. I know what you mean. I studied at the HS Fresenius and it was the best what I could do. I am a postdoc at the LMU right now. I love teaching students something. How else would be enlight the fire in a person for science? But you are right, the most people are not really made for teaching. This has to change. Thanks for your video!
Thanks for your work! We need more passionate people in the education sector
I did my master and bachelor at FHs, especially my IT master was very nice. Prof. Knows your name all is way more practical and closer to real jobs.😊
let's goo! FH are so underrated
what a great video!
really relate to the scenario of lectures (I've got a BS degree from a university and considering a second bachelor degree from TUM)... will sit down and think about my decision again
wish you the best!
The thing with university is: Your absolutely right , Lectures suck!
I study medicine and i went to only 2 Lectures ( i am currently 4th year) because Lectures are a waste of time. You wont learn anything just be going to lecture. Studying is about finding out what way of studying suits you! The most learning you get out of self study, sitting down reading books and exploring the topics for yourself. University is not school. You dont need to go to lectures! Nobody is interested in you or if youre attending! The University is only a place where you can take exams and get a degree. Its not less but also not more than that!
Yess true words! It's just that nobody really tells you this before going to uni haha
Everybody thinks that it's a more demanding extension of school
I think the mci in innsbruck could be perfectly fitting for you
That sounds quite nice 👀
How different are exams in applied science universities compare to classic universities ? do applied universities have the ugly things you mentioned about in one of your videos ?!
It really depends on the university but in general, the exams at Fachhochschule are easier
It's a pity you left, I would've liked to meet you there. On the other hand, good thing you left, that uni really sucks man
Wasn't an easy decision :(
Sounds more like: I couldn't stand to be average.
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I was in similar situation as you was but it took me a really long time to realise that I don't really want to study physics in Göttingen. COVID let me rethink my future. Sister encouraged me to take online data science classes, which I enjoyed very much. It's kind of a waste because I was only left with the last praktikum and thesis but leaving Göttingen was good for my mental health. I'm currently doing UoL online computer science bachelor and CU Boulder online master in data science in parallel. I have never felt this motivated when I was in Göttingen.
Very nice that you found your way! Didn't know that you can study these things at the same time 👀
@@maxyoko It's possible only because UoL BsCS workload is nowhere near most German universities and CU Boulder does not have formal prerequisite for their online master programme. Boulder is also extremely flexible so I can just do their courses in my free time.
I do have a question I found on their page that 3rd countries have to pay for fees but it doesn't mention the countries so it would be cool if someone can give me some more information
Dude what? I went to TUM as well! I’m surprised I didn’t see you for the two months you were there, or maybe I did but I didn’t know that you did TH-cam. And I definitely can relate to this video. I was studying compsci and I got super bored of the coursework. It was super unmotivating and I was confused too because compsci was one of my favourite subjects in high school.
The first semsters are usually the toughest haha
And yeah, we might have seen each other ;)
Hi! Thank you for all the information you give in your channel! Did you have to pay anything once you left TUM?
You're welcome! No, I didn't have to pay anything
@@maxyoko many thanks for answering!!
Since TUM is charging fees from non-EU students (4-6k euro per semester) starting from winter semester 2024, I am looking for another university where I could study Sustainable Resource Management. Does anyone know any alternatives at good universities in Germany?
LMU, RWTH Aachen, Heidelberg University, Berlin University are all good ones!
I want to study artificial intelligence in Munich. Based on your experiences, do you recommend studying in TUM or not?
TUM is a fantastic university and if you like research and theory a lot, this is the place to go. But be prepared for some brutal semesters :)
I would like to know how much is the tuition fee for European students in TUM when it comes to studying psychology
I think it's about 75€
Where can I find a comprehensive list of public universities that do not charge tuition fees?
hello, do you study in english or german? i i am interested in B Sc. Computer Science?
Hey, my degree program is in German :)
@@maxyoko 👍👍👍 Thanks!
I’m not in the uni and I have no interest in going to one but it was really interesting the way you were telling your story! Fellow programmer here btw! AI ftw 🙌
let's goo!
Ich bin auch aktuell im ersten Semester an der HM im Studiengang Wirtschaftsinformatik und finde es bis jetzt echt mega cool.
Ich könnte mir in keinster weil vorstellen an einer normalen Universität zu studieren mit hunderten anderen in einem Studiengang...
Aha sehr cool. Hochschule regelt ^^
I also studied the physic bachelor at tum and i would never do this again, this was and probably will be the hardest time in my life for my mental health. all people I know in my studies from tum are not mental health and they are really suffering from the uni and the stress
Unfortunately, this is a true thing :(
How do you earn money while studying? I mean, Munich is one of the most expensive cities in Germany, if not the most expensive, and you need somehow to pay for yourself. Can you tell how do you live there?
I made a video on how I make money as a student: th-cam.com/video/hUaCG4oMTl0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=a04ayJt3ILI4CPLs
And I also get some financial support from my parents :)
I know may be it could sound disrespectful but it is really not meant in that way, I want to ask you why didnt you choose LMU informatik ? I will be very happy if you answer
Hmm because I didn't want to study pure Informatik. Only Informatik would drive me insane but mixed with something creative like design, entrepreneurship and psychology was really attractive to me. The HM had this modern degree program called computer science and design and as a University of Applied Science, it's way more practical than classic universities which was very important to me
@@maxyokoOh okay I understand thank you
Hello i'm Yahya i'm morrocan and i have the last year in high school and i start consider about studying abroad and i'm still confused what i need tod o i'm intersting in computer science but i don't know what i need to do first is it consontrate in high school or searching for université abroad before schoolrships or searching for schoolrships before unevirstity do i need to learn Germany or just english beside my english not this good and you can noticed that if you read this.and hope if you can help me by giving me some instructions and advice
I also study Media Informatics at a small University of Applied Science in Amberg which is also in Bavaria. It sounds very similar to the Computer Science and Design degree and is also quite new. I think it's great. I will probably finish my Bachelor's this year and go into AI for my Master's. Good luck to you!
Wish you the best on your journey as well! AI is huuge
Warum möchtest du denn einen Master in KI machen wenn ich fragen darf
@@Nahbruv69 Ehrlich gesagt ist der Hauptgrund, dass es sich gut angeboten hat. An meiner jetzigen Hochschule zu bleiben, erspart mir Umzugsstress und das ist der, in meinen Augen, interessanteste Informatik Master, den man hier machen kann.
KI entwickelt sich gerade aber auch insgesamt sehr spannend weiter und kann quasi überall eingesetzt werden. Deswegen denke ich, dass das Wissen, das man sich in dem Master aneignet, auch für sehr viele Informatikberufe, früher oder später, relevant wird.
This year I will finish my bachelor's degree so I want to enter master's degree to TUM. My subject is underground mining and I'm from Uzbekistan. Will I have to learn german language or is english enough me? Please help me to enter TUM. I don't have enough information
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I will tell my experience... If someone is interested to read.
I graduates from art school, decided to take an architecture degree, failed in Venice to take a scholarship I moved to another university, still about architecture.
In the first we were like 300 in a room, as you said, half of were sleeping, was boring but still highly competitive.
Architecture has been my first love, so I decided to try again, moved to another city started from zero. Less students, 60 in the room, still same method of teaching, just that now we were more interactive with the teacher.
I failed again, and after 10 years I started veterinary medicine.
Were I am combining all that knowlege about projecta, art, illustration, Photoshop, in medicine and anatomy.
I completely twisted my life. Accepted to have failed twice, and despite that I loved those years. Something was not meant to be, but in the university I am studying now we are 15 in the room. The intimacy and the dialogue we do is amazing, real medicine talk, real research and real involvement, because is more easy to deal with 10-15 students than 300.
This school is more expensive... So now I will say something controversial but if one day I have kids I would never let them chose a public university.... In some places private is better. Not everywhere, and is not just about money. They really make us participare and do things. Thinks that in other places you only see in a powerpoint.
So maybe if you only went to another university with dynamic professor, your life was different. Some times you are OK, but the environment is not.
There is definitely some truth to that, thank you for sharing your story!
Fachhochschule regelt. Die Dozenten kennen dich mit Vornamen und gehen in der Klausurenphase bis abends durch die Räume um Fragen zu beantworten. Man kann auch zum Büro des Profs um Fragen zu stellen
ja das ist echt premium
What should they do after getting drop out? Is there same situation in TU hamburg?
You either look for a new degree to study or you can do Ausbildung for example
You are not describing a deficit of classical universities - you just realized that there are actually two tracks in the German higher education system and applied sciences appeal more to you. I can guarantee you, that many "classical" university students prefer not being spoon-fed school-style lectures with mandatory attendance (worst case). Learning at a University usually requires lot of discipline, self-organization and intrinsic motivation. Knowing when to skip classes i part of that process ;-) But if you find yourself skipping classes in your first year(s) you are probably in the wrong place - or just really good.
yess you're right! It's just that nobody tells you this at school haha
We were told to reconsider our choice thoroughly by almost each professor in Karlsruhe in the very first lectures. Some have even hinted at the possibility that attending lectures can be replaced by studying text books and other scientific literature. Attending exercise lectures was deamt more important. However there was always someone around who we could ask questions. Forming learning groups was strongly encouraged. Part of studying consists of training self-discipline and organisational skills.
Congratulations to you man
Thanks!
is there any options for study if I don't have much of an education? Ausbildung?
Yes, Ausbildung is an option! Video about it is coming soon
The education system is at least 1000 years old. There are accreditation mechanisms in place, science and education ministries have developed methods for the quality evaluation in place and the engineering organizations evaluate diplomas based on those. So it is very difficult to beat the system or wait for changes. Nowadays students have completely a wrong idea of what a university is. There used to be training institues which were dedicated to teach what to do. The university is for people who want to know how it works. The fundament of science about knowledge accumulation and research. But the university was much more prestigeous and people there were better paid. Now they mixed the two. So we have people who don't care about the origin of scientific knowledge and phylosophy and understanding, studying in the universities. And they want to get the same respect. Well. This is where the problem begins. Universities need to manage their finances to avoid depending on the government and they need to do research. So you get this messed up system to solve the dillema.
There is definitely some truth to that, thanks for sharing you viewpoint :)
Nice to.know about TUM. In my case I'd like to apply in computational mechanics program. Thank you for your honesty.
Wish you the best on your journey!
Can anybody suggest me a good business university in germany?? I looked up about munich business school but tution fee is very high for bachelors in international business
The LMU in Munich has good business degrees and as far as I know, there are not tuition fees
Even within a single university, there can be huge differences between different degree programs. My university (also German) really separates STEM-subjects from the humanities. STEM subjects tend to be a lot stricter in my experience.
I only studied political science and cultural anthropology and religious science. I stopped with political science because I experienced something similar to you, along with first year anxieties. It was dry. All professors seemed to care about was making us buy their books and presenting us loads of theories without going in-depth or making us think. So I skipped classes just like you did.
But everything changed after I switched from political science to cultural anthropology and religious science, especially with cultural anthropology.
Our seminars where actually about discussing and sharing opinions. Our lecturers encouraged us to start our own research from the first semester on (it’s actually part of the curriculum). I’m still at the same university, and broadly even the same scientific area (humanities), but my experiences couldn’t be more different. Even the lectures in cultural anthropology make a lot more sense than they did in political science. They are giving us a brief and useful overview over the most important theories for our subject, and go more in-depth in the seminars, where we actually get to read texts connected to the theories. And I can tell that our professors and lecturers are a lot more passionate about this than the ones I witnessed in political science. They want to talk to us, get to know us, discuss things. I started during the pandemic and I could see them suffering when nobody had the courage to ask or say anything.
Not everything is good however. As it often happens in the humanities, we get less funding compared to subjects in STEM or law, medicine and business and economics. It’s a shame. And of course there’s the usual issues within the scientific system in Germany with people having insecure jobs, working overtime and not getting enough money or long enough contracts to feel safe enough to start families.
Our government should really invest more into education and change their laws to ensure more job security within universities.
I want my university to be doing well and to see a future for my lecturers, friends and myself. Things have to change. We used to have the best universities in the world. And I feel like the German government would very much like our universities to be successful like they were again, but they aren’t willing to put in the laws and funding to actually achieve this (not that I would want us to be the best of the best, only caring about scores - but I would want our education to be BETTER than it currently is).
Really appreciate your comment, thanks for sharing your opinion! I enjoyed reading it 🫶
Same with me, I am student of RTU and i can really say that we have only a few Professors, who cares about you and they are trying to do some action in order to teach you effectively, however math and physics ( btw i am not familiar with this subjects as my math and physics in basic level, maybe even lower) i am perceive that i do not desire to present at this lectures as no one listen them and doing the other stuff during the lecture. Additionally, i don't think so that i need that 2 subjects in my field, as programmer needs only logic skills and alghorithm and such this stuff so that i am totally hate this subjects
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
I study civil engineering at TU Vienna. Same shit. Every day I am suffering. Gladly I am stubborn enough not to give up.
Let's goo, wish you the best 💪
I had an irrational plan. i was graduated from high school 6 years ago and had a low mark at math and consider to apply bachelor's business school at TUM, what's your advice?
My Psychologist also told me about it too. Best to study in Applied sciences if I want to learn meaningful knowledge.
damn, amazing psychologist!
I have a question: is studying at universities in Germany really free?
Yes, most public universities don't have any tuition fees
You only pay a small administrative fee (85-400 Euros per semester)
@maxyoko I would like to study Physics at some German university, do you think I should go if I have the motivation to study physics?