Thank you for reacting to this movie. Emilio Estevez was at the top of his game as Billy The Kid. Everyone brought something to the table. It's a pleasure always to see these movies.
Bon Jovi wrote a whole album based on this movie, plus he was one of the convicts who escaped the pit. The songs on the album are all pretty good and give even more vibes to the movie.
Hi Madison. Arkansas Dave Rudabaugh was an interesting outlaw of the old west. Not only was he part of Billy the Kid's gang, he was also associated with the Clanton gang, and was pursued by both Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson. It was Wyatt Earp's pusuit of Rudabaugh that led Earp to Fort Griffin Texas where he was introduced to Doc Holliday who had information on Dave Rudabaugh. Dave Rudabaugh was the man who supposedly taught Doc Holliday how to use a gun. Thanks to your awesome reaction to one of my favorite westerns of all time.
As a kid in South Africa in the 1970s I remember so many Western novels. By the mid 1980s there were so few Westerns. I really like the way you are renewing the Western film and novel. I hope we see a resurgence of the genre.
Great reaction, Madison - really appreciate the little history lesson at the end. I've always wondered how historically accurate the Young Guns movies were so it's interesting to find out that they are actually pretty close.
I saw this movie in the theater when it came out with my friends. Great memories. Another great western movie: The Outlaw Josey Wales Starring Clint Eastwood
Governor Lew Wallace of New Mexico was formerly General Lew Wallace, a civil war hero who also wrote the best selling novel of all time, Ben Hur: A Tale Of The Christ
Funny thing James Coburn is in this movie you are watching now Madison, please watch James Coburn & Kris Kristofferson & Jason Robards & Katy Jurado & Rita Coolidge & Bob Dylan & many more actors in PAT GARRET & BILLY THE KID. If you say you love westerns this one is one of the best.
These films have something different than a typical western which I love....they had all the popular young actors at the time, Emilio to me is the best Billy the kid. Long live the 80s in every Sense. James Coburn, what a legend!
Billy wasn't a lefty. The only known photo of him is a tin type that is a reverse image. Everyone realized it once someone finally noticed the rifle in the photo had the feed gate on the wrong side. That rifle was never manufactured with a feed gate on the opposite side.
Loved your reaction as always Madison! I totally agree that it would've been cool if they had saved that twist for the end. Not sure how they would've done it, but it would've been great. You should watch another western called, Old Henry. I happened to come across it one day and it was pretty good 👍🏼
Part II 🤠 Just a thought, one idea to do your Western Classics is starting at the beginning like the best 3-5 of the 1930's then 40's and so on. 1950's may have Roy Rogers the singing cowboy!! That would be freaking Awesome 💞 Peace 🕊️☮️
The real life doc and chavez really did live. How Doc dies is how Charlie Bowdrie died. Also there was a brushy bill Roberts claiming to be brushy bill. I personally don't believe it but there was a guy claiming it. Other than that the other events depicted did happen. Pat Garrett & the kid were acquaintance also with the same friends. In where Pat found and killed him was a mutual friends of there's
This is one of my favorites. I saw this before the first one. On top of that, Bon Jovi's album inspired by the movie was just as good. Alan's score for this movie was epic.
I've been to Hico several times. My friend and I released these guys' pigeons for their pigeon club. Hico is where we released the pigeons. There were signs on the road saying it was the home of Billy the Kid/Brushy Bill Roberts. Tried to go to the museum, but it was always closed since we released the pigeons right at daylight. Evidently, the people of Hico believe he was Billy. Whether it is true or not, I wouldn't know.
Viggo Mortenson's character, Deputy Poe, is portrayed in this movie (and 1973's Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid ) as a lackey to the governor that Pat actually despises. However, Garrett's son, born in 1882, was named Dudley Poe Garrett. That would make hostility to Poe seem pretty unlikely.
Great reaction Maddie! Next Halloween, I suggest you watch Chato's Land. It's a classic western with SERIOUS horror vibes! Ravenous is another great western horror film.
Please watch "The Cowboys"(1972)Starring John Wayne. Then watch the 50th reunion of the 11 kids who played The Cowboys! The film changed these Kids lives forever. Half the Kids were Actors, half were real Cowboys. They learned to become each other and bonded for life. They would never lets Kids do what they do in this movie today. Also one of John Williams Best Scores! I guarantee you will download the score after you watch The Cowboys.
I have 2 suggestions for you. Quigley down under and The man from snowy river. Both are western style movies based in Australia. Both are great and I'm sure you will enjoy them.
Was glad to see your reaction to Shane (1953), was wondering if you would consider John Ford's My Darling Clementine (1946), though not historically accurate, it is the Classic Romantic Western. YG II seems to uses a similar flashback storyline as Arthur Penn's Little Big Man from the 70's.
Kiefer Sutherland reached out to Jon Bon Jovi for permission to use Wanted Dead or Alive in the movie, but the latter had seen the first movie and felt that song wouldn't be quite right for the sequel so he told Sutherland to give him a few days to come up with something.
So not sure if you've already heard, but there is a Young Guns 3 in the works. Currently, it's in "limbo" but confirmed to reprise their roles will be Emilio Estevez, Lou Diamond Phillips and Christian Slater. How you ask? Because all their deaths were only implied and occurred off camera.
That’s awesome because he’s thought of as the worst part of the movie, other than the historical nonsense. I like him too and felt bad for him after this came out. He got treated pretty harshly after becoming a young star and it was pretty unfair as some of his post-stardom movies were better than they got treated.
Great reaction Miss Thames! First time visitor. Thanks to my Dad I am a fan of Westerns. Audie Murphy was his favorite. I've seen the first Young Guns many times and this one once. Didn't remember the big cast, the biggest name being James Coburn who I keep mixing up with Lee Marvin. I scanned your channel and am very surprised you haven't seen THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES yet to me the G O A T of Westerns and HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER the two best Clint Eastwood movies. I also noticed you watched RIO BRAVO a great John Wayne movie with Dean Martin but you haven't seen the remake called EL DORADO with Robert Mitchum as the drunk sheriff and a very young James Caan from 1967. Lady you way behind in the Western genre. Besides the for mentioned Audie Murphy you have many James Stewart films, Glenn Ford, Henry Fonda . Whew 😅 Enjoyed your watch! Peace 🕊️☮️♾️😎
Jon Bon Jovi was one of the men in the pit. you can see him sneaking up behind some guy about to knife him. The first movie also has a hidden celebrity. Tom Cruise shows up near the end of the movie. Emilio Estevez has been trying to get Young Guns 3 made. It was actually on it's way to getting made until the pandemic started and halted everything. To this day the movie is still in limbo. Recent news has said that Estevez is still trying to get it made. He actually wants to do a trilogy. Both Lou Diamond Phillips and Keifer Sutherland have come out and said they are willing to return. Supposedly the new story has them back in there. I can understand Chavez coming back, since they can retcon part 2's ending. They can say the spirit horse came but since we didn't see Chavez riding it, he lived. As for Keifer, who knows. but Chavez did not really die and lived a longer life in reality. So the story Emilio Estevez wants to tell is based on the book about Brushy Bill Roberts. His adventures after Billy escaped Garrett. Part 4 would continue more of Brushy's story. And in part 5, Emilio has this idea of getting his dad, Martin Sheen, to portray old Brushy ending up in Hico, Tx.
I really love both these movies. I remember first hearing the story that brushy bill roberts claimed to be Billy the Kid on the show unsolved mysteries when I was a kid. I’ve never really looked into it beyond what I saw on that episode so long ago. I’d like to think he very well may have been him.
James Horner composed a soundtrack for the first Young Guns but the director felt it had too much of a "Celtic" feel to it, so they went with an 80's guitar theme. Interestingly, Horner's soundtrack was recorded, so I wonder whether it's possible to get it somewhere.
Madison, I think your next foray into the "Billy the Kid" story should be Old Henry with Tim Blake Nelson. But whatever you do, I'm sure you will be great.
I think Billy was no doubt a stone cold killer, the young kid embraced the outlaw image and became the famous outlaw but was doomed to die young. I think if Pat really did let him go I don't think his ego would have let him remain hidden,hell Billy had the biggest ego of any outlaw, even bigger then Jessie James and he was only a kid. Awesome review!
Always laughed at the part where Dave tries getting Henry to draw the fire since he hadnt technically killed anyone. and Henry is like hell nah they even shot Tommy. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yea Madison! Hope you got a kick out of the ending! Super Thanks and Be well! Love the chapeau! I'm assuming that your Patreons told you there was a real Bushy Bill claiming to be the 'Kid'!
They probably thought it was safe to assume that the majority of the audience wouldn't watch the sequel without having seen the original and would therefore already be familiar with the story, as the presumed fate of Billy the Kid was told in the closing narration of the first movie. Without the setup in the beginning of the movie, the twist that he may actually have survived would probably have been introduced too late, felt like too out of left field and would have been less impactful. I think it needed the setup.
I love your reactions on the werstern movies Madison, i am a bit of a history buff and have studied a lot about world wide history, in 1991 i was in the states and visited the town of Lincoln New Mexico and saw the markers of where deputy Bell and Bob Ollinger fell after Billy gunned them down and also the graves of McSween and John Tunstall. but anyway getting back to Henry McCarty aka Billy the kid i think he was a victim of circumstance as you said Madison he tried many times to go the right way but the big business men like Murphy and Dolan would not let him, pat garret said billy killed 21 men in his book but the reality is very different in actual fact he only killed 3, the first was Francis P. "Windy" Cahill who bullied billy and abused him and in a struggle outside a salon in the village of Bonita billy got a hold of Cahill's pistol and shot him in the belly, which in modern days would be seen as self defense. the other two were during the Lincoln county war, it has not been proven however that it was billy's bullet that killed Sheriff Brady since all the regulators with the exception of Dick Brewer (Charlie Sheen) came out from the adobe wall and all shot at Brady and his deputies since they killed their Boss and friend John Tunstall,so with all those bullets flying no one can be certain that billy actually delivered the kill shot yet they charged him and credited him with the killing of Sheriff Brady. anyway whats wrong with the second movie is Doc Scurlock, at the end of the movie he rode out after the Lincoln county war that much is true he went to Texas and married a mexican woman and lived a life of peace never speaking about the Lincoln county war or Billy the Kid again he died in 1929, unlike the movie coming out of the hide out at stinking springs. it was actually Charlie Bowdre that came out of the house to feed the horses and was shot by Garrett's men, also the big mistake was the 14 year old kid who was portraying Tom o'Folliard, who was an original Regulator during the Lincoln County war from the first Movie, but yes he was shot by Garrett on 19 Dec 1880, but he was one year older than billy and not younger as in the movie and Billy and him were the best of fiends. You'll be glad to know the real Jose Chavez y Chavez was not killed like at the end of this movie he died in 1924, but getting to whether Billy was killed by Garrett I do do not believe that but i too cannot confirm if Bushy bill roberts was billy or not. but i think of it in this way, if i was Billy and i was so wanted and Garrett had let me go or Garrett had shot the wrong man I as Billy would simply have rode off changed my appearance perhaps even left the USA and never ever told anyone that i was Billy, i would have taken that to the grave since hello Billy was still a wanted man if it was found to be true that he survived, there is no statute of limitations on murder is there? IN any rate even with those inaccuracies at the end of the day they were both great movies and i enjoyed them for that fact alone and i enjoyed your reactions, please keep more classic western reactions coming - can't wait for the next one, here is a suggestion try "Vera Cruz" a 1954 western with Carry Cooper, Burt Lancaster, Charles Bronson and Ernest Borginine, that is a great classic.
I am with you! I DO believe Brushy Bill was in fact Billy the Kid! Why would some old man in the 50's ask for a full pardon! I am glad for your reactions!
Enjoyed you're reactions. I like the Young Guns movies also. If you like Billy the Kid movies you should definitely check out Old Henry! A good movie about the Billy lore. It's a newer movie.😊
This was great. I love your reactions. You are especially amazing with Westerns. It seems obvious that you are connected with that history. I have a suggestion. Growing up in the 60s and 70s I was a huge John Wayne fan. I've seen about everything he did. I DON'T KNOW if you have seen "The Shootist," from 1976. It was JW's final movie. It was released just a few years before he died and was sort of a tribute to his movie career. I would love to see you react to it. I'm sure you would like it. Thank you so much for all you do.
First time watching your reactions. Love your videos, love your reactions. I also love Billy the Kid and those Young Guns movies. Here's the thing though. Through a lot of research I've done over more years than I care to mention, as well as common sense being poured into that same research, I know that Pat Garrett killed Billy the Kid on July 14, 1881. There is no other reality. But again, great video, and I am going to watch your reaction to the first one now!
Pictures of dead people was because they couldn't afford to take pictures when they were alive because they were expensive so the last chance they had was to take pictures when they were dead as part of funeral cost
Great reaction! I think this movie is a good idea to try and show how maybe Billy the kid may have survived. I like the narration but you have a point to keep the old billy reveal till the end. I also hated to see the demise of chavez y chavez! Happy trails on your Spirit horse🐎 Chavez! Thanks for completing the series of YG! I would like it if you would watch Hildago with Viggo Mortansen. Sort of a western... 🤠 Oh and by the way i love your Western look with the hat and denim shirt and what really ties it together is that background lighting! So Western looking!!! 🤠 Great job Maddy luv ya❤💛
Billie may not have actually been left handed. The Famous Picture of him that is touted as proof he was a lefty was scientifically examined and found to be Inverted. A mirror image that put his right side left and left side right. But I love that Emilio played him as a lefty because at the time of the movie it was still believed to be fact that he was. Still even with the evidence of the photo being reversed many people who have any love for the lore commonly think of him as a left handed gunslinger today.
Also, listening to you discuss the movie afterwards again, if you’re interested in the morality of Billy the Kid and trying to turn things around that is one point that I think you really really need to watch John Wayne’s movie Chisum
They show the most vital events, but not accurately in the slightest - most of this is pure fantasy. Scurlock and Chavez lived into the 1920s, and the characters in the films have nothing in common with them but the names. Same goes for Charlie Bowdre who was one of Billy's closest friends and who died at Stinking Springs, not in the first film. Tom O'Folliard, Billy's best friend from the get-go who stuck with him to the end, wasn't even in the movies, but they gave his name to a boy with twenty lines. Pat Garrett wasn't an outlaw riding with Billy, he was a frigging bartender and part-time cowboy. Murphy didn't get shot by Billy in the Battle of Lincoln, and so on. Sure, the movies hit some plot points, but generally they tell a very fictionalized story of their own that's loosely based on the historical events. There's a Billy the Kid TV movie by Gore Vidal that sticks much closer to the facts and is very un-romanticized IIRC. Brutally condensed cast, wonky screenplay, horrible music, a bit cheap looking, pretty boring even for a TV movie, but Val Kilmer as Billy comes really close to what we know about the historical Billy, and they got Pat Garrett pretty spot on, too. Of course, the legend's way more fun to watch, but legends usually form around events that don't seem all that remarkable at the time (same goes for Billy's story), get lots of word of mouth and become something that doesn't resemble the facts anymore - ergo, Young Guns.
I loved your reaction to this, Madison, I'm glad that you liked it. It often gets overlooked in comparison to the first one, but for me both are excellent. It's difficult to say if Billy survived or not due to the times and the state of record keeping back then, but I feel that this is a good adaptation of the story, with quite a few accurate facts in it.
Enjoyed the reaction and commentary at the end. You asked for our thoughts about whether Billy was actually killed by Garrett at Fort Sumner so here are mine :). I do believe Billy was killed by Garrett for a couple reasons, and Brushy Bill's claims have been widely discredited even using facial recognition technology if I recall correctly (though that did make for a very fun and intriguing way to tell the story for this sequel). First, Garrett, who had fairly recently been elected Sheriff on a hard line law and order platform, was ultimately responsible for Billy's security after he captured him at Stinking Springs, until Billy was convicted and to be hanged. Billy's escape and Garrett's deputies that he killed during it, would have been a massive black eye to Sheriff Garrett, leaving him little choice but to try to find and kill Billy. If he'd found him, simply let him go, and Billy was later discovered to still be alive, Garrett's own life would've been in jeopardy, and certainly his reputation ruined at the very least, not to mention his position as Sheriff. I also don't think he would've been so bold as to publish a book about the whole thing if Billy was still alive. Second, I think it would have been pretty much impossible for someone of Billy's notoriety to simply slip away and disappear, completely change his ways, and quietly live out his days without anybody recognizing him, or him telling anybody who he was. He'd already shown his unwillingness to leave New Mexico, despite the obvious dangers of staying, and he'd have to travel very far away (all the while without being recognized) to have any chance of starting a new life. I think it's far more likely that Billy died that night, and that the same people who loved to read stories about him like that boy did, simply didn't want to believe that Billy could be dead, much the way Elvis lovers wanted to believe all of the crazy conspiracy theories about him not dying, and the countless alleged Elvis sighting for decades. The main thing that propagates the conspiracy theories to this day has been the unwillingness of the those who have the authority over Billy's alleged grave site to allow his remains to be exhumed and DNA and other tests performed. But I can understand from a tourism standpoint why they'd feel they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by allowing that. Anyway, just my 2 cents, and I'm no historian :).
Thank you for reacting to this movie. Emilio Estevez was at the top of his game as Billy The Kid. Everyone brought something to the table. It's a pleasure always to see these movies.
Bon Jovi wrote a whole album based on this movie, plus he was one of the convicts who escaped the pit. The songs on the album are all pretty good and give even more vibes to the movie.
😆 🤣 😂 Mr. Bovine Joni himself
Jon Bon Jovi solo. Not a band album
The running gag that billy thinks everyone loves him is hilarious. Even from the first movie. 😂😂😂
Hi Madison. Arkansas Dave Rudabaugh was an interesting outlaw of the old west. Not only was he part of Billy the Kid's gang, he was also associated with the Clanton gang, and was pursued by both Wyatt Earp and Bat Masterson. It was Wyatt Earp's pusuit of Rudabaugh that led Earp to Fort Griffin Texas where he was introduced to Doc Holliday who had information on Dave Rudabaugh. Dave Rudabaugh was the man who supposedly taught Doc Holliday how to use a gun. Thanks to your awesome reaction to one of my favorite westerns of all time.
As a kid in South Africa in the 1970s I remember so many Western novels. By the mid 1980s there were so few Westerns. I really like the way you are renewing the Western film and novel. I hope we see a resurgence of the genre.
Have you read any new ones (written in past 35 years) ? Specifically, the four by Robert B Parker.
Great reaction, Madison - really appreciate the little history lesson at the end. I've always wondered how historically accurate the Young Guns movies were so it's interesting to find out that they are actually pretty close.
"Hello Bob!" kills me every time.
The best part is, Billy the Kid really said that in real life!
I saw both of the Young Guns movies in theaters when they were released as a kid. What a ride. What a wild ride.
"Best $1.80 I ever spent!"
I saw this movie in the theater when it came out with my friends. Great memories. Another great western movie: The Outlaw Josey Wales Starring Clint Eastwood
YES Mr tomfrank! To me the best of the best along with HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER!! ☮️
Governor Lew Wallace of New Mexico was formerly General Lew Wallace, a civil war hero who also wrote the best selling novel of all time, Ben Hur: A Tale Of The Christ
Funny thing James Coburn is in this movie you are watching now Madison, please watch James Coburn & Kris Kristofferson & Jason Robards & Katy Jurado & Rita Coolidge & Bob Dylan & many more actors in PAT GARRET & BILLY THE KID.
If you say you love westerns this one is one of the best.
Awesome soundtrack
Nice!? Totally forgot about that movie. ☮️
They just announced they are writing and getting ready to start the filming Young Guns III
These films have something different than a typical western which I love....they had all the popular young actors at the time, Emilio to me is the best Billy the kid.
Long live the 80s in every Sense.
James Coburn, what a legend!
Billy wasn't a lefty. The only known photo of him is a tin type that is a reverse image. Everyone realized it once someone finally noticed the rifle in the photo had the feed gate on the wrong side. That rifle was never manufactured with a feed gate on the opposite side.
There's even a scene in the first Young Guns where Billy says "Hell, I ain't left-handed!"
Chisum from 1970 with John Wayne deals with the Lincoln County War as well.
I live about an hour and half away from Fort Summer and I 100% believe Billy lived!
Just discovered you few days ago. Lonesome dove reaction is great! One of my favorite books. Looking forward to binge watching your reactions.
William Peterson who plays Pat Garrett in this film has a substantial role in Return to Lonesome dove.
Welcome to the channel.
See that book next to her, Gone Outlaw?
She wrote it! She's a bona fide author. 😃
Check the description for links to buy it.
Loved your reaction as always Madison! I totally agree that it would've been cool if they had saved that twist for the end. Not sure how they would've done it, but it would've been great. You should watch another western called, Old Henry. I happened to come across it one day and it was pretty good 👍🏼
My favorite line from this movie 21:23 "it's an ancient Navaho word. It means stop" lol I also love the Bon Jovi song Blaze of Glory.
Part II 🤠 Just a thought, one idea to do your Western Classics is starting at the beginning like the best 3-5 of the 1930's then 40's and so on. 1950's may have Roy Rogers the singing cowboy!! That would be freaking Awesome 💞 Peace 🕊️☮️
This movie will always have a special place in my heart.
The real life doc and chavez really did live. How Doc dies is how Charlie Bowdrie died. Also there was a brushy bill Roberts claiming to be brushy bill. I personally don't believe it but there was a guy claiming it. Other than that the other events depicted did happen. Pat Garrett & the kid were acquaintance also with the same friends. In where Pat found and killed him was a mutual friends of there's
Best part of my day
A beautiful lady and fantastic film
Great reaction.
THE QUICK AND THE DEAD, when you gets a chance .
Great video, keep it up 👍
This is one of my favorites. I saw this before the first one. On top of that, Bon Jovi's album inspired by the movie was just as good. Alan's score for this movie was epic.
Miracle is one of my all time favorite songs (and the video).
@@Rob-eo5ql Santa Fe resonated with me most.
the entire core and bon jovi's soundtrack bring back memories of ridig through new mexico summer of 89.
I've been to Hico several times. My friend and I released these guys' pigeons for their pigeon club. Hico is where we released the pigeons. There were signs on the road saying it was the home of Billy the Kid/Brushy Bill Roberts. Tried to go to the museum, but it was always closed since we released the pigeons right at daylight. Evidently, the people of Hico believe he was Billy. Whether it is true or not, I wouldn't know.
He was billy
Kiefer is also in the Disney movie, Three Musketeers as Athos.
I love the spirit horse scene.
Chavez lived to a ripe old age in the actual history. He actually became a cop.
@@44excalibur This would explain why Chavez is in the script for Young Guns 3.
Viggo Mortenson's character, Deputy Poe, is portrayed in this movie (and 1973's Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid ) as a lackey to the governor that Pat actually despises. However, Garrett's son, born in 1882, was named Dudley Poe Garrett. That would make hostility to Poe seem pretty unlikely.
Interesting tid bit!
Great reaction Maddie! Next Halloween, I suggest you watch Chato's Land. It's a classic western with SERIOUS horror vibes! Ravenous is another great western horror film.
Please watch "The Cowboys"(1972)Starring John Wayne. Then watch the 50th reunion of the 11 kids who played The Cowboys! The film changed these Kids lives forever. Half the Kids were Actors, half were real Cowboys. They learned to become each other and bonded for life. They would never lets Kids do what they do in this movie today. Also one of John Williams Best Scores! I guarantee you will download the score after you watch The Cowboys.
Dang haven't seen The Cowboys in decades. I've seen BIG JAKE at least 50 times as I have the DVD. ☮️
I saw the 50th reunion on TH-cam and had to rewatch it. What a great flick! That music!@@allengray5748
I have 2 suggestions for you. Quigley down under and The man from snowy river. Both are western style movies based in Australia. Both are great and I'm sure you will enjoy them.
MFSR is one of my favorite movies.
Edit: QDU is a great one too. I was surprised how good it was
Left hand.
Never use gun hand for chores.
Lest it be a gunnun chore mark my words! ☮️
You'd probably enjoy Chisolm, John Wayne staring, Pete Duel as Billy the Kid.
YES with Glenn Corbett as Pat Garrett. Great John Wayne flick along with THE COWBOYS and BIG JAKE!? ☮️
Oops the ? was a slip.
The Quick and the Dead is like a western mixed with a John Woo action movie.
And is the worst movie ever made.
Was glad to see your reaction to Shane (1953), was wondering if you would consider John Ford's My Darling Clementine (1946), though not historically accurate, it is the Classic Romantic Western. YG II seems to uses a similar flashback storyline as Arthur Penn's Little Big Man from the 70's.
Kiefer Sutherland reached out to Jon Bon Jovi for permission to use Wanted Dead or Alive in the movie, but the latter had seen the first movie and felt that song wouldn't be quite right for the sequel so he told Sutherland to give him a few days to come up with something.
So not sure if you've already heard, but there is a Young Guns 3 in the works. Currently, it's in "limbo" but confirmed to reprise their roles will be Emilio Estevez, Lou Diamond Phillips and Christian Slater. How you ask? Because all their deaths were only implied and occurred off camera.
You may not love Arkansas Dave, but I love Christian Slater! This movie was always more reachable to me, in a large part because of Slater.
Agreed 💯
That’s awesome because he’s thought of as the worst part of the movie, other than the historical nonsense. I like him too and felt bad for him after this came out. He got treated pretty harshly after becoming a young star and it was pretty unfair as some of his post-stardom movies were better than they got treated.
And these "reaction" vids always leave out his great line about "batshit towns".
@@tempsitch5632 Who thinks of him as the worst part? I never heard that.
The young kid you recognize was Ralph (leader of the good kids) in Lord Of The Flies. Decent movie, the book was better but the actor did a good job
@6:59 Weird question for you. He’s letting the bouquet envelope his senses. That’s why it’s in a glass shaped that way.
This movie is based on an episode from Unsolved Mysteries. The story of Brushy Bill Roberts was in the episode.
Knocking On Heaven's Door by Bob Dylan was in the soundtrack of Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid 1973, where he had a cameo.
Great reaction Miss Thames! First time visitor. Thanks to my Dad I am a fan of Westerns. Audie Murphy was his favorite. I've seen the first Young Guns many times and this one once. Didn't remember the big cast, the biggest name being James Coburn who I keep mixing up with Lee Marvin. I scanned your channel and am very surprised you haven't seen THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES yet to me the G O A T of Westerns and HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER the two best Clint Eastwood movies. I also noticed you watched RIO BRAVO a great John Wayne movie with Dean Martin but you haven't seen the remake called EL DORADO with Robert Mitchum as the drunk sheriff and a very young James Caan from 1967. Lady you way behind in the Western genre. Besides the for mentioned Audie Murphy you have many James Stewart films, Glenn Ford, Henry Fonda . Whew 😅 Enjoyed your watch! Peace 🕊️☮️♾️😎
Nice! I literally just discovered your channel and watched your Young Guns review, now part two!
Vigo in “Hidalgo” is great. Old western time horse race in an Eastern desert.
Another Billy the Kid movie for you is The Outlaw with Jane Russell and Walter Huston from 1943.
there's a movie called Old Henry from 2021 that is about billy that is a survivor story that doesn't portray him as a physcopath....really well done.
Bat poop an ingredient in gunpowder! Lol if anyone confused as to why bat droppings were important enough to be mined.
Jon Bon Jovi was one of the men in the pit. you can see him sneaking up behind some guy about to knife him. The first movie also has a hidden celebrity. Tom Cruise shows up near the end of the movie.
Emilio Estevez has been trying to get Young Guns 3 made. It was actually on it's way to getting made until the pandemic started and halted everything. To this day the movie is still in limbo. Recent news has said that Estevez is still trying to get it made. He actually wants to do a trilogy. Both Lou Diamond Phillips and Keifer Sutherland have come out and said they are willing to return. Supposedly the new story has them back in there. I can understand Chavez coming back, since they can retcon part 2's ending. They can say the spirit horse came but since we didn't see Chavez riding it, he lived. As for Keifer, who knows. but Chavez did not really die and lived a longer life in reality. So the story Emilio Estevez wants to tell is based on the book about Brushy Bill Roberts. His adventures after Billy escaped Garrett. Part 4 would continue more of Brushy's story. And in part 5, Emilio has this idea of getting his dad, Martin Sheen, to portray old Brushy ending up in Hico, Tx.
I remember seeing a Hot Set for this movie, when I took my daughters to visit the Old Tucson Studios.
The governor is also Herschel on Walking Dead. Also fellow lefty.
I really love both these movies. I remember first hearing the story that brushy bill roberts claimed to be Billy the Kid on the show unsolved mysteries when I was a kid. I’ve never really looked into it beyond what I saw on that episode so long ago. I’d like to think he very well may have been him.
James Horner composed a soundtrack for the first Young Guns but the director felt it had too much of a "Celtic" feel to it, so they went with an 80's guitar theme. Interestingly, Horner's soundtrack was recorded, so I wonder whether it's possible to get it somewhere.
would love to hear it
Yes! And I'm ordering your book for Christmas. I hear it's awesome 😎👍
Awesome, thank you! Hope you enjoy!🤗
hey can you put gloves on and do a anaconda movie reaction
@@ryanhill48 yes
20:10 “why?”
Why not. I love her she’s awesome for that!
I'm so glad you watched this, It's such a great movie. The Bon Jovi soundtrack is exceptional!!
Madison, I think your next foray into the "Billy the Kid" story should be Old Henry with Tim Blake Nelson. But whatever you do, I'm sure you will be great.
I think Billy was no doubt a stone cold killer, the young kid embraced the outlaw image and became the famous outlaw but was doomed to die young. I think if Pat really did let him go I don't think his ego would have let him remain hidden,hell Billy had the biggest ego of any outlaw, even bigger then Jessie James and he was only a kid. Awesome review!
Always laughed at the part where Dave tries getting Henry to draw the fire since he hadnt technically killed anyone. and Henry is like hell nah they even shot Tommy. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yea Madison! Hope you got a kick out of the ending! Super Thanks and Be well! Love the chapeau! I'm assuming that your Patreons told you there was a real Bushy Bill claiming to be the 'Kid'!
They probably thought it was safe to assume that the majority of the audience wouldn't watch the sequel without having seen the original and would therefore already be familiar with the story, as the presumed fate of Billy the Kid was told in the closing narration of the first movie.
Without the setup in the beginning of the movie, the twist that he may actually have survived would probably have been introduced too late, felt like too out of left field and would have been less impactful. I think it needed the setup.
Love the whole Bon Jovi soundtrack and Young Guns has always been my favorite movie of all time. 🙂
There is a Young Guns 3 in the works, with many of the same actors reprising their roles! Looking forward to it!
I love your reactions on the werstern movies Madison, i am a bit of a history buff and have studied a lot about world wide history, in 1991 i was in the states and visited the town of Lincoln New Mexico and saw the markers of where deputy Bell and Bob Ollinger fell after Billy gunned them down and also the graves of McSween and John Tunstall. but anyway getting back to Henry McCarty aka Billy the kid i think he was a victim of circumstance as you said Madison he tried many times to go the right way but the big business men like Murphy and Dolan would not let him, pat garret said billy killed 21 men in his book but the reality is very different in actual fact he only killed 3, the first was Francis P. "Windy" Cahill who bullied billy and abused him and in a struggle outside a salon in the village of Bonita billy got a hold of Cahill's pistol and shot him in the belly, which in modern days would be seen as self defense. the other two were during the Lincoln county war, it has not been proven however that it was billy's bullet that killed Sheriff Brady since all the regulators with the exception of Dick Brewer (Charlie Sheen) came out from the adobe wall and all shot at Brady and his deputies since they killed their Boss and friend John Tunstall,so with all those bullets flying no one can be certain that billy actually delivered the kill shot yet they charged him and credited him with the killing of Sheriff Brady. anyway whats wrong with the second movie is Doc Scurlock, at the end of the movie he rode out after the Lincoln county war that much is true he went to Texas and married a mexican woman and lived a life of peace never speaking about the Lincoln county war or Billy the Kid again he died in 1929, unlike the movie coming out of the hide out at stinking springs. it was actually Charlie Bowdre that came out of the house to feed the horses and was shot by Garrett's men, also the big mistake was the 14 year old kid who was portraying Tom o'Folliard, who was an original Regulator during the Lincoln County war from the first Movie, but yes he was shot by Garrett on 19 Dec 1880, but he was one year older than billy and not younger as in the movie and Billy and him were the best of fiends. You'll be glad to know the real Jose Chavez y Chavez was not killed like at the end of this movie he died in 1924, but getting to whether Billy was killed by Garrett I do do not believe that but i too cannot confirm if Bushy bill roberts was billy or not. but i think of it in this way, if i was Billy and i was so wanted and Garrett had let me go or Garrett had shot the wrong man I as Billy would simply have rode off changed my appearance perhaps even left the USA and never ever told anyone that i was Billy, i would have taken that to the grave since hello Billy was still a wanted man if it was found to be true that he survived, there is no statute of limitations on murder is there? IN any rate even with those inaccuracies at the end of the day they were both great movies and i enjoyed them for that fact alone and i enjoyed your reactions, please keep more classic western reactions coming - can't wait for the next one, here is a suggestion try "Vera Cruz" a 1954 western with Carry Cooper, Burt Lancaster, Charles Bronson and Ernest Borginine, that is a great classic.
It's thought Garrett shot Billy Barlow by mistake.. The two deputies that Garrett told to wait outside said he shot the wrong man
I enjoyed your reaction. A good movie about the James/Younger gang is The Long Riders 1980. Many good actors in it.🤘
I used to have this movie on VHS. I love it. Never seen anyone react to this movie before. :O
If you haven't yet - you have to listen to the whole Blaze of Glory album; songs like Dying, Santa Fe and Miracle are pure gems.
Little known fact. We almost went to war with Mexico to get their Guano. (Bat Guano).
Chavez actually lived till 1924, and became a law man for awhile after the Lincoln county wars.
Blaze of Glory is a awesome song
I am with you! I DO believe Brushy Bill was in fact Billy the Kid! Why would some old man in the 50's ask for a full pardon! I am glad for your reactions!
In the first one patrick Wayne played pat Garrett
The Long Riders is a great movie about the James/Younger gang.
fun fact: Bon Jovi was one of the prisoners in the pit with Billy's gang
I just started reading your book...up late last night reading it, couldn't put it down.
Yay!! I’m so glad you’re enjoying it🤗
Check out the soundtrack, it is great, especially the song Santa Fe.
Enjoyed you're reactions. I like the Young Guns movies also. If you like Billy the Kid movies you should definitely check out Old Henry! A good movie about the Billy lore. It's a newer movie.😊
From what I gather from this two-part story, if you're gonna be an outlaw it's best to ride with plenty of meat-shields around you at all times.
This was great. I love your reactions. You are especially amazing with Westerns. It seems obvious that you are connected with that history. I have a suggestion. Growing up in the 60s and 70s I was a huge John Wayne fan. I've seen about everything he did. I DON'T KNOW if you have seen "The Shootist," from 1976. It was JW's final movie. It was released just a few years before he died and was sort of a tribute to his movie career. I would love to see you react to it. I'm sure you would like it. Thank you so much for all you do.
Thanks for the kind words, Mike. I haven't seen The Shootist yet but am definitely planning to react to that one!
Come to New Mexico sometime.....we have alot of history....you will love it 💖🤠
The real Doc and Chavez lived until old age.
First time watching your reactions. Love your videos, love your reactions. I also love Billy the Kid and those Young Guns movies. Here's the thing though. Through a lot of research I've done over more years than I care to mention, as well as common sense being poured into that same research, I know that Pat Garrett killed Billy the Kid on July 14, 1881. There is no other reality. But again, great video, and I am going to watch your reaction to the first one now!
Pictures of dead people was because they couldn't afford to take pictures when they were alive because they were expensive so the last chance they had was to take pictures when they were dead as part of funeral cost
Just watched your reaction to the first one yesterday this one has a bada s s soundtrack.
Secretariet and Sea Biscuit are a Must to watch:)
Didn’t see it but if you haven’t, watch the quick and the dead. Great movie!!!
Brushy Bill is either Billy or one of his posse who took his name to make sure his legacy lives on.
Great reaction! I think this movie is a good idea to try and show how maybe Billy the kid may have survived. I like the narration but you have a point to keep the old billy reveal till the end. I also hated to see the demise of chavez y chavez! Happy trails on your Spirit horse🐎 Chavez! Thanks for completing the series of YG! I would like it if you would watch Hildago with Viggo Mortansen. Sort of a western... 🤠 Oh and by the way i love your Western look with the hat and denim shirt and what really ties it together is that background lighting! So Western looking!!! 🤠 Great job Maddy luv ya❤💛
Well, the real Chavez died in 1924, so the spirit horse died before he did.
Sorry, if I miss spelling things my phone will do that.
Billie may not have actually been left handed. The Famous Picture of him that is touted as proof he was a lefty was scientifically examined and found to be Inverted. A mirror image that put his right side left and left side right. But I love that Emilio played him as a lefty because at the time of the movie it was still believed to be fact that he was. Still even with the evidence of the photo being reversed many people who have any love for the lore commonly think of him as a left handed gunslinger today.
Great reaction, to a great film. Thank you 👍👏🏻👏🏻👍🤠🇬🇧
Also, listening to you discuss the movie afterwards again, if you’re interested in the morality of Billy the Kid and trying to turn things around that is one point that I think you really really need to watch John Wayne’s movie Chisum
And when could we have a month of westerns please?
They show the most vital events, but not accurately in the slightest - most of this is pure fantasy. Scurlock and Chavez lived into the 1920s, and the characters in the films have nothing in common with them but the names. Same goes for Charlie Bowdre who was one of Billy's closest friends and who died at Stinking Springs, not in the first film. Tom O'Folliard, Billy's best friend from the get-go who stuck with him to the end, wasn't even in the movies, but they gave his name to a boy with twenty lines. Pat Garrett wasn't an outlaw riding with Billy, he was a frigging bartender and part-time cowboy. Murphy didn't get shot by Billy in the Battle of Lincoln, and so on.
Sure, the movies hit some plot points, but generally they tell a very fictionalized story of their own that's loosely based on the historical events. There's a Billy the Kid TV movie by Gore Vidal that sticks much closer to the facts and is very un-romanticized IIRC. Brutally condensed cast, wonky screenplay, horrible music, a bit cheap looking, pretty boring even for a TV movie, but Val Kilmer as Billy comes really close to what we know about the historical Billy, and they got Pat Garrett pretty spot on, too. Of course, the legend's way more fun to watch, but legends usually form around events that don't seem all that remarkable at the time (same goes for Billy's story), get lots of word of mouth and become something that doesn't resemble the facts anymore - ergo, Young Guns.
I loved your reaction to this, Madison, I'm glad that you liked it. It often gets overlooked in comparison to the first one, but for me both are excellent. It's difficult to say if Billy survived or not due to the times and the state of record keeping back then, but I feel that this is a good adaptation of the story, with quite a few accurate facts in it.
Did you know that there's only 1 actual picture ever taken in history of the real Billy The Kid?
IIRC, it's also a bit infamous as it's mirrored. AFAIK, it shows Billy as being a lefty, even though he wasn't.
There's only one publicly known photo... if I were a bettering man, I bet there are some more out there!
Enjoyed the reaction and commentary at the end. You asked for our thoughts about whether Billy was actually killed by Garrett at Fort Sumner so here are mine :). I do believe Billy was killed by Garrett for a couple reasons, and Brushy Bill's claims have been widely discredited even using facial recognition technology if I recall correctly (though that did make for a very fun and intriguing way to tell the story for this sequel). First, Garrett, who had fairly recently been elected Sheriff on a hard line law and order platform, was ultimately responsible for Billy's security after he captured him at Stinking Springs, until Billy was convicted and to be hanged. Billy's escape and Garrett's deputies that he killed during it, would have been a massive black eye to Sheriff Garrett, leaving him little choice but to try to find and kill Billy. If he'd found him, simply let him go, and Billy was later discovered to still be alive, Garrett's own life would've been in jeopardy, and certainly his reputation ruined at the very least, not to mention his position as Sheriff. I also don't think he would've been so bold as to publish a book about the whole thing if Billy was still alive. Second, I think it would have been pretty much impossible for someone of Billy's notoriety to simply slip away and disappear, completely change his ways, and quietly live out his days without anybody recognizing him, or him telling anybody who he was. He'd already shown his unwillingness to leave New Mexico, despite the obvious dangers of staying, and he'd have to travel very far away (all the while without being recognized) to have any chance of starting a new life. I think it's far more likely that Billy died that night, and that the same people who loved to read stories about him like that boy did, simply didn't want to believe that Billy could be dead, much the way Elvis lovers wanted to believe all of the crazy conspiracy theories about him not dying, and the countless alleged Elvis sighting for decades. The main thing that propagates the conspiracy theories to this day has been the unwillingness of the those who have the authority over Billy's alleged grave site to allow his remains to be exhumed and DNA and other tests performed. But I can understand from a tourism standpoint why they'd feel they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by allowing that. Anyway, just my 2 cents, and I'm no historian :).