It's the same reason I always tell people no when they ask for SPF, Vitamin C, or Retinol samples. Those little Sephora cups will absolutely destroy the product and they won't even see any kind of difference.
I will say that all of them are formula dependent, there are a lot of oil based products that fall victim to light and heat degradation, as well as medicated or infused ones as well
Agreed! Lab Muffin Beauty Science has pointed out that sunscreen in particular can be sensitive to packaging material, and recommends not repackaging a secondary container
From what I remember, glass creates more pollution in the recycling process than plastic. Generally glass is better for reuse and plastic (depending on the kind ofc) is better for recycling. Again, all from memory, could be wrong, definitely look it up yourself first if you consider behavior changes based on it.
@@JacquelineUnderwood You are not wrong. Even from single use, glass is waaay more contaminant than acrilyc or PET. The thing with glass, it's that it can be reused about 100 times more than plastic before having to be recycled... That's where the pollution is compensated.
Ill be doing this for liquid soap when I move out. While bar soap is a better option for sustainability, my daughter has taken to crushing the bars lately…
I forget the brand but Im pretty sure the same brand that makes laundry bar to liquid detergent (you dissolve the bar in water to make the detergent at home) makes a similar product for liquid soap. Maybe something to look into? But either way, sustainability for consumers is about reduction. Elimination is great but just not feasible for a lot of people and that’s okay.
@@JacquelineUnderwood cool! I was just thinking of buying a nice soap dispenser and getting a big jug of a nice soap if I can find one that’s cruelty free and also doesnt dry out my hands
@@JacquelineUnderwood It looks like Tangie has a concentrated bar you can make into liquid soap. Ethique used to have a line but it looks like they discontinued it.
I moved out of my parents home during my studies and there was this soap that smelled sooo good. I lost most of my smelling capacity, so I had to buy it. It was so expensive tho and not even in a big bottle. So I bought a little soap dispencer that made it all bubbly by mixing the soap with water. It worked great, smelled great, looked cute and I ended up spending less and using less plastic bottles than I would, had I only used the soap in it's original form (bought only 2 for a whole year!)
@@JacquelineUnderwood I get that, what I was trying to ask was one that she genuinely like or what one is the most sustainable in her opinion as it is something i am interested like a top 10 of her favourites or something
large refill pouches for stable formulas (like a soap, moisturizer without actives). if it has to be a sealed plastic refill that goes inside of a component that you use long term, it should be an airless pump so you don’t have product waste. she showed one brand where the airless pump is part of the piece you keep longer which is even better bc then the refill component will be made with even less plastic. for things that must be sealed and the formula can’t withstand refills, they should be packaged in glass. that’s what i’ve gathered from watching her videos 🤷
I do like refill pouches for the most part. There is a lot less waste with them... But my problem is that most of the time, they stay as waste. A lot of them are made from non-recyclable materials or, like here in Australia, we had soft-plastics recycling where you could drop it all off in a bin at the supermarket... But they stopped doing that. Turns out they were getting more dropped off than they were capable of processing, it began to pile up in storage and supposedly a lot just ended up in waste anyway.
Ooo such a great question! There's a few reasons....sometimes the pouches have a higher MOQ (minimum order quantity) meaning brands need to order larger quantities of them than their standard packaging...but sometimes brands can purchase lower MOQ pouches, but for a much higher cost per unit. Additionally not all fillers will fill pouches, so some brands have to pay more to actually fill the pouches with products compared to their standard packaging 🫠
All producers of body butters and like 90% of body lotions have no excuse to produce refill pouches especially if they’re mid to high end. These are items that safely work despite being exposed to air all the time.
have you reviewed the fenty hydravisor sunscreen/moisturizer? i love it on my skin but it's really expensive and i go through it quick, and it's a refill type product but is it even actually sustainable?
I think the Korean brand Torriden offers refills for their serum, and if I'm not mistaken the refill packaging is clear. Makes me a bit worried with product stability but surely the producer already did some testings right?
Is there any instance where single use packaging is actually a better alternative to a larger package? I’m thinking about Timeless, which has their large bottle of vit c and now single use packs as well.
Could a different design of refill pouch fix this? Like maybe one that has no pour spout and instead you cut it to prevent air getting in? And for light protection it could be lined with some sort of foil? You're the expert of course, but I just wonder if these issues could be solved.
i think for products with active ingredient that cannot be refilled, they should have their own recyling program. we cannot win them all but at least there are some substitutions that helped
I'm usually on the go (gym, travel, etc). It's just inconvenient. I don't want to lug an extra two pounds of product around, not to mention the potential disaster if one of the refill pouches is punctured or compressed and explodes. I don't go out of my way to buy the original packaging though.
In my experience, convenience and ease of use. Smaller containers are easier for keeping on hand or storing in a medicine cabinet. Pump containers or small tubs can make it easier to dispense product than pouring from a refill pouch.
Seems kinda dumb to whine because people dont want to directly use a wobbly pouch instead a Container that doesnt much and they can Take only the amount they need. Not to mention that there is stuff that refills more than once and is simply huge. Like soap. 4 full refills from one pouch, too heavy ro lift with one Hand or to use without a mess 😅
Personally I think if you need to protect your product from LIGHT AND AIR, you shouldn’t be selling it at all. Can’t wait for the majority of the makeup industry to crumble.
Clearly you don't understand how chemistry works. Not all elements are as stable as others. That does not mean they do not have any value to your skin care routine. That is why they are packaged on opaque packaging and / or pump systems that does not let in extra air to the storage chamber. But you do you boo.
@@hedonisticallyhealthy8577 indeed. Many perfumes have to be protected from light because it can degrade their aromatic components, for example. Also, paint! Lots of pigments do not hold well when constantly exposed to light (the measurement is called light fastness, btw), so much so that there are paintings that look different now because their colours have faded, like Van Gogh's (his favourite red had terrible light fastness, like, worst possible). Also, obviously you don't want your paint drying in the packaging because, unless it's watercolour/guache, that makes it useless. Even in gouache paint drying in the packaging can be a massive pain. So, yeah, nothing wrong with the product needing extra protection, not all chemicals are made the same, some are more delicate than others.
It's the same reason I always tell people no when they ask for SPF, Vitamin C, or Retinol samples. Those little Sephora cups will absolutely destroy the product and they won't even see any kind of difference.
Good callout!!
100%!
I think pouches should be used for high refill items: body wash, shampoo n conditioner, face wash ( depending on formula), hand soap.
I will say that all of them are formula dependent, there are a lot of oil based products that fall victim to light and heat degradation, as well as medicated or infused ones as well
When lipstick first became popular, they offered refills, too!
Sun screen too from what I know, correct me if I’m wrong
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100%! Sunscreen is generally not a good candidate for refills
Agreed! Lab Muffin Beauty Science has pointed out that sunscreen in particular can be sensitive to packaging material, and recommends not repackaging a secondary container
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@@Nukie144I think it actually was their video I know this from haha😂😂
but i do like that most serums come in glass packaging so it's at least recyclable.
From what I remember, glass creates more pollution in the recycling process than plastic. Generally glass is better for reuse and plastic (depending on the kind ofc) is better for recycling. Again, all from memory, could be wrong, definitely look it up yourself first if you consider behavior changes based on it.
@@JacquelineUnderwood You are not wrong. Even from single use, glass is waaay more contaminant than acrilyc or PET. The thing with glass, it's that it can be reused about 100 times more than plastic before having to be recycled... That's where the pollution is compensated.
@@XxsoldarkicexX thanks for the confirmation ^^ I appreciate it
Can you make a list of companies with refill options? I would love to transition to more environmentally conscious brands
Great idea, adding this to my list of videos to make!😊
Ill be doing this for liquid soap when I move out. While bar soap is a better option for sustainability, my daughter has taken to crushing the bars lately…
My husband prefers liquid soap so we get the big giant jugs of cheap liquid soap for him, and my fancy, local small business scented bars for me 😂
I forget the brand but Im pretty sure the same brand that makes laundry bar to liquid detergent (you dissolve the bar in water to make the detergent at home) makes a similar product for liquid soap. Maybe something to look into? But either way, sustainability for consumers is about reduction. Elimination is great but just not feasible for a lot of people and that’s okay.
@@JacquelineUnderwood cool! I was just thinking of buying a nice soap dispenser and getting a big jug of a nice soap if I can find one that’s cruelty free and also doesnt dry out my hands
@@JacquelineUnderwood It looks like Tangie has a concentrated bar you can make into liquid soap. Ethique used to have a line but it looks like they discontinued it.
I moved out of my parents home during my studies and there was this soap that smelled sooo good. I lost most of my smelling capacity, so I had to buy it. It was so expensive tho and not even in a big bottle. So I bought a little soap dispencer that made it all bubbly by mixing the soap with water. It worked great, smelled great, looked cute and I ended up spending less and using less plastic bottles than I would, had I only used the soap in it's original form (bought only 2 for a whole year!)
What refillable packing does she actually like/ is genuinely sustainable
She didn’t say she disliked this one? There is no one size fits all sustainability option, that’s just not how life works…
@@JacquelineUnderwood I get that, what I was trying to ask was one that she genuinely like or what one is the most sustainable in her opinion as it is something i am interested like a top 10 of her favourites or something
large refill pouches for stable formulas (like a soap, moisturizer without actives). if it has to be a sealed plastic refill that goes inside of a component that you use long term, it should be an airless pump so you don’t have product waste. she showed one brand where the airless pump is part of the piece you keep longer which is even better bc then the refill component will be made with even less plastic. for things that must be sealed and the formula can’t withstand refills, they should be packaged in glass. that’s what i’ve gathered from watching her videos 🤷
I do like refill pouches for the most part. There is a lot less waste with them... But my problem is that most of the time, they stay as waste.
A lot of them are made from non-recyclable materials or, like here in Australia, we had soft-plastics recycling where you could drop it all off in a bin at the supermarket... But they stopped doing that.
Turns out they were getting more dropped off than they were capable of processing, it began to pile up in storage and supposedly a lot just ended up in waste anyway.
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Lol I'll keep my serums OUT of refills please and thank you 😂
Lol 😂 gotta protect product integrity!
@@allisonturquoise The audio has an echo effect on one ear.
@JennaHasm that's so bizarre 🤨 I have no idea how that happened lol
Please consider upgrading your mic, it could improve the quality of your shorts
Hi, i have a question... why are refills for body creams, perfumes, hair mask, ect. sometimes more expensive than the original container?
Ooo such a great question! There's a few reasons....sometimes the pouches have a higher MOQ (minimum order quantity) meaning brands need to order larger quantities of them than their standard packaging...but sometimes brands can purchase lower MOQ pouches, but for a much higher cost per unit. Additionally not all fillers will fill pouches, so some brands have to pay more to actually fill the pouches with products compared to their standard packaging 🫠
All producers of body butters and like 90% of body lotions have no excuse to produce refill pouches especially if they’re mid to high end. These are items that safely work despite being exposed to air all the time.
have you reviewed the fenty hydravisor sunscreen/moisturizer? i love it on my skin but it's really expensive and i go through it quick, and it's a refill type product but is it even actually sustainable?
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I think the Korean brand Torriden offers refills for their serum, and if I'm not mistaken the refill packaging is clear. Makes me a bit worried with product stability but surely the producer already did some testings right?
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Is there any instance where single use packaging is actually a better alternative to a larger package? I’m thinking about Timeless, which has their large bottle of vit c and now single use packs as well.
Could a different design of refill pouch fix this? Like maybe one that has no pour spout and instead you cut it to prevent air getting in? And for light protection it could be lined with some sort of foil? You're the expert of course, but I just wonder if these issues could be solved.
I love your content, but please get a better microphone. I feel like I can't focus on what you're actually saying because the audio quality is bad lol
In the background of the video what is the pouch that they are refilling the product in the first clip also love ur vids ❤❤
i think for products with active ingredient that cannot be refilled, they should have their own recyling program. we cannot win them all but at least there are some substitutions that helped
how do you feel about the dior lip addict refills and such
as well as cosmetic powder refills
Oh I actually didn't know the offered refills! I'm gonna have to check them out!
Would a foil-pouch solve the light issue?
Aluminum packaging pouches would be better it doesn’t let light in and is actually recycled
and thicker product, imagine knocking the jar a million times and the product is just stuck at the top and will not budge
I have always been told this about toothpaste
Why did the prosecution remain sitting instead of going to the podium?
Why dont people just use the pouches? Seems kinda dumb to have a package to fill up another package
I'm usually on the go (gym, travel, etc). It's just inconvenient. I don't want to lug an extra two pounds of product around, not to mention the potential disaster if one of the refill pouches is punctured or compressed and explodes. I don't go out of my way to buy the original packaging though.
I feel ya, some people (like myself) do you products straight from the refill pouch (like my facial cleanser from Etymology)
In my experience, convenience and ease of use. Smaller containers are easier for keeping on hand or storing in a medicine cabinet. Pump containers or small tubs can make it easier to dispense product than pouring from a refill pouch.
Seems kinda dumb to whine because people dont want to directly use a wobbly pouch instead a Container that doesnt much and they can Take only the amount they need. Not to mention that there is stuff that refills more than once and is simply huge.
Like soap. 4 full refills from one pouch, too heavy ro lift with one Hand or to use without a mess 😅
@@DieGurkenfresser no one was whining
Like if you’re a seerum person comment if you’re a sirum lol
Sounds like a market tho
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Personally I think if you need to protect your product from LIGHT AND AIR, you shouldn’t be selling it at all. Can’t wait for the majority of the makeup industry to crumble.
Clearly you don't understand how chemistry works. Not all elements are as stable as others. That does not mean they do not have any value to your skin care routine. That is why they are packaged on opaque packaging and / or pump systems that does not let in extra air to the storage chamber. But you do you boo.
@@hedonisticallyhealthy8577 indeed. Many perfumes have to be protected from light because it can degrade their aromatic components, for example.
Also, paint! Lots of pigments do not hold well when constantly exposed to light (the measurement is called light fastness, btw), so much so that there are paintings that look different now because their colours have faded, like Van Gogh's (his favourite red had terrible light fastness, like, worst possible). Also, obviously you don't want your paint drying in the packaging because, unless it's watercolour/guache, that makes it useless. Even in gouache paint drying in the packaging can be a massive pain.
So, yeah, nothing wrong with the product needing extra protection, not all chemicals are made the same, some are more delicate than others.
Thinking works better with a brain. Give it a try Karen 😂
Currently you are Proving your Lack of education and Common sense
Can't I just use the product STRAIGHT from the pouch? Why do I need to put it in another container?