"Bottle in a bottle" honestly looks like a way to sell a tiny amount of product in a way that looks like you're getting more. A lot of them are still plastic bottles, but slightly smaller. You just have a cuter carry case for them as well.
Honestly, unless I want the packaging for some reason (the soap dispensers are useful and more practical when I'm showering, they don't spill and it's easier to "dose" the amount of soap), I just go with the refil. With some things like paint I can just put the refil in a different container. I see plenty of paint palette containers online all the time which are cuter and cheaper.
You could also just reuse another container and put the refill in like I have a ceramic hand soap dispenser and I put the soap rhat I like most into the bottle
@@AxelXionSora here we do that too, but more often than not is just reusing old packages that are good quality until they break. You know, reduce, reuse, recycle. One of my soap dispensers lasted for 2 years one, unfortunately the white plastic of the lid started to crack and slowly fall apart. Sometimes we also use the packages of my mom's moisturizer (she loves moisturizers so she gets a lot of them), they're surprisingly sturdy!
The thing with them are you could just buy the pouch and not the og package at all that way it’ll also reduce waste EDIT:I didn’t see the comment that said it already
The bottle in a bottle has never made sense, the original container needs a reduction in materials because that outer packaging uses so much wasted plastic.
Absolutely love in store refill stations! YT limits shorts to under 1 min, so didn't have time to get to them in this video....but i think they deserve an entire video. Adding it to my list of videos to film!
My local recycles their store-brand shampoo/conditioner/bodywash/etc bottles. That lets the container be sterilized between uses, much less likely to give you pet fungal colony.
@@Andytheevieni love going to the body shop to get my body wash refilled! it makes me feel so environmentally friendly 😌 helps that their body washes are actually good too!
idk if I'd even classify "bottle in a bottle" as recycling, considering you basically just buy two bottles and then another one for the "refill" instead of one bottle per product. I think the best is simply to make products with compostable packaging, so you don't have to worry as much about how much material the refill uses up.
The problem with compostable packaging is that you have to actually compost it. Which only happens in specific circumstances. If you just throw away compostable packaging, it's sitting around with the other garbage; it's not melting away to nothing. I consider most "compostable" marketing as greenwashing, frankly.
I wish more companies did any kind of refil. I have no idea what to do with my empty Clinique moisturiser containers and they are so ridiculously big and bulky for the amount of product that came in them. I decanted some into a travel container once and I ended up just using that and refilling it as I could at least put it in my handbag too. Even the little tubes from Clinique aren’t recycled locally to me and I have no idea what to do with them so they don’t end up in landfill.
i believe ulta has a recycling service as well! the containers just have to be super clean and dry before you deposit them, though. i’d assume most big beauty retailers will have a comparable recycling service available.
the one thing that will always piss me off is bottles in bottles. nine times out of ten the inner component is what the lid actually attaches to so once you have the product, the main component is useless
That last one- OneSkin, the packaging is awful. The pumps break all the time, and you need to end up purchasing new ones because they’re so bad- and this was after they so-called “fixed” the problem with them. Also, you can’t ever get out all of the cream. I’d always have to end up cutting it open when it still had a few weeks worth of cream left, just to be able to get it out. I eventually stopped using it because it was so ridiculous.. and not to mention *very* expensive.. 120$ a bottle. If they made the outer part, the shell, and the pump more durable (and nicer to look at) I’d consider using them again.
Appreciate you sharing your experience!! I haven't had that issue (knock on wood 🚪) but I'm only on my 1st bottle. Fingers crossed this can be rectified bc it's such a great refill system (in theory)
I honestly like the refill pouches for hair care. It’s so much easier to get it all out before throwing it away and I have so much hair right now that pumps take a while to get enough out.
bottle in a bottle?!?! that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen if the refill is also a bottle just buy the refill if you must get that brand for some reason. The globe is so horribly polluted with microplastics from all this plastic packaging.
Some refill pouches can be recycled, but unfortunately even rigid components made of plastic, glass or aluminum still have a relatively low recycling rate (at least in the US)
No one talks about how Korean skincare brands have refill packaging but don’t sell the refills separately most of the time. Like why tf you selling the refill only if you buy the product with it. What is the point.
Oooo this is a great topic! Korea (and Japan too) are ahead of the US in regard to refills, and often have a better approach to reducing the environmental impact of their refill systems (in my experience)
Misread your original comment....🙈 that's so unfortunate that you've had that experience!! Would you say you've had that experience both in-store and online? I know retailers often charge brand's by shelf space, so some brands/retailers won't offer the refills in store, which is frustrating 🫤
Not beauty related but I worked a a store that only sold spices. If you brought in your old glass jars that were empty, we would refill the jars for you and give a discount! You could also buy biodegradable bags to refill at hone if you forgot your jars.
Love this! I'm hopeful the industry will start to implement in store refills in the future...there's some now, but they tend to have a very limited product range and aren't necessarily accessible to the masses
@@allisonturquoise i’ve seen that. I primarily have worked in theatrical makeup which definitely does not do refills. It’s one of my fave things from working there! Also when you get to reuse your jars you never have to go through ‘repackaging’ that changes size and shape. Idk but it always bothers me when I have to replace something from a set and the new one isn’t the same style as the old ones…
@@kaitlynng7214 I feel like the refill would be easier to travel with and would take up less space - it’s just a little pouch so it’s flat, as opposed to a plastic jar which is hard and round. And as the refill pouch empties it would take up less and less room, unlike the jar which is going to stay the same size no matter if it’s almost empty.
I also love that refill pouches can be used to put the product in your own containers if you want. So if you ever end up with a nice pretty jar, you can keep using it forever. ❤
The question then becomes, what were the actual recycling rates of the product? Also, generally speaking, the pump mechanism in a “recyclable” bottle is not recyclable, so perhaps there’s an overall reduction in material use and emissions with the eco bottle. Or maybe not and they’re just hopping on the refill bandwagon without thinking it through. 🤷🏼♀️ Trying to be a thoughtful consumer is exhausting.
Remember, the best way to use less packaging overall is to buy in bulk and properly store. Not necessarily speaking cosmetics but just most things in life. Definitely some things you can't stock too far ahead too though
There's stores that do this! They generally go by some name that includes/is related to the word "refillery". There's one in my city that's great not just for cosmetics, but also for dish/laundry soaps and staple food liquids like olive oil. I highly recommend looking up if there's one in or around your area!
Great question! Some refillable packaging requires users to purchase the keepsake component (cause it comes with a pump, for example) but others could be used on their own without the keepsake component
@strawb3rry_kisses oh gotcha...yes in the case of refill pouches you can definitely just purchase and use the refill! I do this with my refill pouches 🙌
@@strawb3rry_kisses They're not as easy/comfortable to use. When I wash my hands, I don't want to handle a pouch, when I want to moisturize my face, I don't want to handle a pouch and so on
Yes you can! For most products you generally don't have to buy the keepsake component (unless there's a pump, in which case most brands only sell the pump with the outer keepsake component)
I like l'occitane's soap, and when I buy it I just buy the refill package and either use it as is or fill a different bottle. Since sometimes I like to water down the soap a bit otherwise the sent is too strong.
Bottle in a bottle is still bottle and most of them function without the priginal packaging... With means its more a suggestion of sustainability rather than honest pursuit of sustainability
Honestly, it would be better if those hybrid refill pouches didn’t come with the outer plastic and instead had the brand shit printed onto the pouches with all necessary information on the back. Make the pouches able to stand on their own and that would probably save a lot of
We have the pouch ones for soap in our laboratory. It was supposed to be for the wall mounted soap dispensers but they’re awful and broken so we just refill regular soap bottles with them.
I work in a haur salon, abd kerastase is beginning with the bottle in a bottle refil on their elixir ultimate haur oil, and not only will it go from 100 ml to 75ml with likely no reductions in price. I feel like it would've been more sustainably to just make the inner bottle. Like i grt it, you jusg gotta buy the outer bottle once, but they're still going to produce a ton of the outer bottle
i wish more products would offer refills like this, i always feel so guilty throwing away empty bottles knowing that they are probably going to landfill even though i put them in the recycling bin
KRAVE Beauty's Great Barrier Reef is a holy grail for me w Lupus. The package isn't refillable but mostly recyclable. I wish they had refills. Though i know some companies use it as an opportunity to give less product.
These companies are honestly playing in our faces, like they want these refills to seem like they’re good for sustainability, but the fact that most of them don’t care about making the refill packages biodegradable speaks volumes. It’s just a marketing ploy to get people to buy the same product over and over again, in shittier packaging that’s cheaper for the company to produce, but that is still ultimately not good for the environment bc it’s still usually just plastic in a different form
I've also seen a body splash/ deodorant from Boticario wich it's refill is just the same bottle with a foil lid, you unscrew the spraying top from the empty bottle onto the new one after pulling the metal lid and you're good to go!! I love it sm
The only time i find the bottle in a bottle refill usefull is , when the outer bottles has something that needs to be there to use the product, if i want that lotion ima justnbuy the refill and use a different container i alrwdy have as storage
I don’t know if you’ve covered this yet but Bath and Bodyworks has refillable soap bottles where the actual soap is in a paper carton and they sell glass bottles to go with it
But it still doesn't solve the problem of waste. It just creates new waste. Instead their should be refill station where from big container small container can be filled.
I think the industry ideally should move towards refill stations, but currently we don't have the infrastructure to ensure that everyone in the US has a refill station accessible to them. There's also the logistical challenge of shipping formulas in bulk to fill the refill stations up. And hygiene also continues to be a concern...however I'm hopefully refill stations become more accessible and affordable 🙌
Even the refill stations have SOME waste, as the product needs to be shipped to the store in something. It's certainly reduced waste compared to the packaging needed to sell individual consumer-sized products, but the difference between a refill pouch and a refill station is essentially just a matter of scale, it's not a fundamental difference in kind. The refill station reduces waste even more than the refill pouch, but neither is ZERO waste. And many, many people don't live near stores that offer bulk refills of stuff. I live in a farm town, I'd have to drive almost an hour to get to the nearest zero waste store. And I'm lucky that my nearest one is even that close. It's just not happening for me, realistically. The refill pouches are better than my next most available option, which is regular product packaging.
They just aren't convenient. The packaging is made from very soft plastic, isn't made to stand up, doesn't have a dosage, you can't see the color or the name, doesn't have a lid, have a system so you can't close once you opened, make a mess when using by itself. I have a moisturizer that the refill is made from hard plastic, but the bottom is purposely tilted, so it doesn't stay up, and you need to cut the lid to get to the moisturizer
I have never seen refills for beauty products in my country (germany) usually it's a new packaging alltogether every time 😮 the only pouch refill i know of is handsoap in 500ml or 750ml. Even quick google search only showed me 3 brands that offer these type of products which is very interesting.
there is DEFINITELY refill options for hair shampoo at DM, it has the same packaging as the hand soap. also at some shops you can by shampoo, conditioner, soap, dishwashing liquid, detergent (for clothes) in bulk and fill it into your own containers. you also have the option to by solid soaps, which use only paper packaging and last quite a long time. there are also razors sold at dm where you only change the razor metal bit so you dont need to buy new platsic packaged razor refills EVER AGAIN. the skincare examples she showed are super high-end with fancy packaging I am sure you can find stuff like that at sephora? but the drogerie skincare we have already comes in minimal packaging like the refills she showed so what would you be refilling?
I have long been skeptical of the "bottle in a bottle" refill system, thanks for confirming it doesn't actually help very much unless you're habitually reourchasing that product. How does the component material factor in? For example, the Glow Recipe outer bottle is glass, which is highly recyclable with little to no loss in quality/purity. Whereas the inner package that the consumer is reourchasing, the "refill" part, is plastic, which significantly reduces in quality each time it is recycled. I would almost think we would be better off, environmentally, if consumers simply recycled or reused the glass containers rather than purchasing new plastic "refill" pods.
Bottle in a bottle doesn’t sound like a refill to me. If my phone break, i take it out of its protective case and put a new phone in that case im not getting a phone refill. 😂
What? Why are you comparing moisturizer to a phone? The bottle in a bottle is a refill, since they are made to be inserted into a permanent package. The glow recipe refill for example, is in a plastic tub and it has a foil top. So if you don't put the refill into the permanent packaging, you won't have a top. You cannot use the refill without the permanent packaging, so your phone comparison just doesn't work, at all.
@@AKbaby89 the Grey bottles she showed at the start legit looked like the outside packaging you put the refill in was literally just a pretty outter shell you could easily go without by only buying the "refill", that's why. Like honestly if the refill bottle work on its own then it's not a refill imo.
@@CosmindArt if you pay attention, the bottle within the bottle products do not have tops or pumps. They are made to be used in permanent packaging, like I said above.
@@AKbaby89 both of the Grey bottles shown swapping inside and out the container that I specifically pointed out each have their own pump nosles. I rewatched that part twice to make sure. I have eyes thanks. 😂
Airless pumps definitely can have a higher restitution rate, which is especially helpful when you're using a product with a hefty price tag....I don't know about you, but I want every last drop 😂
But considering soft plastics aren’t recyclable in most places but the harder plastics can be up to three times before it’s trash, I’m not sure this is the way either. I’d die for a store to open that allows you to bring back the same bottle to use over and over. Reduce and reuse should always come before recycle as we only recycle plastics up to three times unlike infinitely recyclable glass and metals.
All great callouts!! Pouches definitely aren't a perfect solution, but until we're able to offer in-store refill stations for high usage products (as you mention!) they're one of the better solutions currently offered on the market. Hoping as the industry continues to innovate we'll get more effective solutions 🙏🙏
I feel that it is actually more wasteful if you still have to buy new containers......that go in containers. Suprise. More waste. The only way to make it less wasteful would be to use very old makeup techniques such as how face powder used to be pressed into your own personal compact and when the powder was completely used up, you'd just get it re-pressed into the same compact. Now that is reducing waste.
It's interesting looking to the past for sustainable packaging solutions!! To your point, I'm hopeful the industry starts to implement more reusable packaging in the future
I just wish they made them out of materials that can actually be easily recycled, refill pouches might be less packaging but they still cant be recycled
Some refill pouches can be recycled, but unfortunately even rigid packaging made of plastic, glass or aluminum still has a relatively low recycling rate (at least in the US) 🫤
This kind of thing is why I love Youth To The People. They sell SO much of their cleanser, and its one of the only cleansers that my skin doesn't hate, in a refill pouch and it lasts me forever. 100% worthwhile. The bottle in a bottle thing is so stupid lol.
One thing i hate about the hybrid pouch "cartridge" at the end. It feels proprietary to the shape of the bottle and limiting the use to that shape whoch,in turn, becomes more wasteful. But thatz jist me with frustrations from inking and printing companies (glares at HP)
I love refill pouches. I have the Josie Maran moisturizer and I bought the refill pack by itself instead of the jar because I loved their formula before the revamp
Pouch refills seem like a great idea if you can refill them in store for a fraction of the price because the product can go bad before you use it all. But if it's body wash, shampoo and conditioner it would be a game changer
If there's a bottle in a bottle system, what is stopping me from just buying the refill and not the full product? Same with the pouch. The last is genius.
The pouches aren’t recyclable in my area, but the containers mostly are, can you please speak to this and advise whether the pouches are still a better option in relation to this?
What i'd like to know is which type of component is easier to recycle? Sure the hard plastic is heavier and uses more plastic than the pouch, but isn't it easier to recycle? I know we don't recycle enough currently but still.
Good question! It's tough to say for sure...however pouches are generally considered less commonly recyclable. But, the EPA estimates only around 9% of plastic waste gets recycled in the US, so I'm of the opinion that due to our low recycling rate we should prioritize reducing material use, and work to improve our recycling infrastructure
My favorite moisturizer is the skin fix peptide one that has the little pump on it and the refil is a bottle in a bottle design but you get to reuse the pump and the casing… I think in this case it’s good enough for me!
@@LLC-zc7cp there's 3 different kinds, one of which includes fancy jars, and she talks about how it's actually more waste, and not even a deal for the bottle in bottle refills unless you buy over 5.
Do you have suggestions for brands that use pouch in bottle packaging? I like the idea of not exposing my products to air just to refill them, and I'm also clumsy enough that I spill the refill with embarrassing frequency.
Unfortunately not many brands have implemented this type of refill system...I can only think of the One Skin system (shown in the video), but I'm hoping more brands adopt similar refills in the future!
Im a chemistry major and I’m specialising in polymers. Idk what I’ll be doing next but I know that packaging is something I’m weirdly passionate about 😂 so maybe that
I'm not sure how I ended up here but I love learning about this side of the beauty community. Great job!
Thank you love!!!❤
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None of us know how we got here. We just know we're too stuck and curious to bother with trying to get out.😂
"Bottle in a bottle" honestly looks like a way to sell a tiny amount of product in a way that looks like you're getting more. A lot of them are still plastic bottles, but slightly smaller. You just have a cuter carry case for them as well.
Thats why you always read the fluid ounces or the amount that you're getting. The bottle is always way way bigger than the "inner" refillable part
The one's I've used are the exact same size as the original.
bottle and a bottle refills typically don't come with the cap, so it's harder to reseal the product unless you buy the outside container
I never got why people dont just start with the refill, especially if its in a reusable pouch it just seems more convenient anyways
and it's probably a bit cheaper as well
I just buy the refill from the beginning.
Honestly, unless I want the packaging for some reason (the soap dispensers are useful and more practical when I'm showering, they don't spill and it's easier to "dose" the amount of soap), I just go with the refil.
With some things like paint I can just put the refil in a different container. I see plenty of paint palette containers online all the time which are cuter and cheaper.
You could also just reuse another container and put the refill in like I have a ceramic hand soap dispenser and I put the soap rhat I like most into the bottle
@@AxelXionSora here we do that too, but more often than not is just reusing old packages that are good quality until they break. You know, reduce, reuse, recycle.
One of my soap dispensers lasted for 2 years one, unfortunately the white plastic of the lid started to crack and slowly fall apart.
Sometimes we also use the packages of my mom's moisturizer (she loves moisturizers so she gets a lot of them), they're surprisingly sturdy!
I love refill pouches 🥰
Me tooooo🥰
why not just use it straight from the pouch?
@pinkcloudsummerr you 100% can! I typically use refill pouches on their own, without the original keepsake packaging🙌
The thing with them are you could just buy the pouch and not the og package at all that way it’ll also reduce waste
EDIT:I didn’t see the comment that said it already
The bottle in a bottle has never made sense, the original container needs a reduction in materials because that outer packaging uses so much wasted plastic.
What about in-store refill stations.
I feel like that would have been a perfect addition to the list
Absolutely love in store refill stations! YT limits shorts to under 1 min, so didn't have time to get to them in this video....but i think they deserve an entire video. Adding it to my list of videos to film!
The Body Shop does this.
My local recycles their store-brand shampoo/conditioner/bodywash/etc bottles. That lets the container be sterilized between uses, much less likely to give you pet fungal colony.
@@Andytheevienyeah, it’s great. Love em for it really
@@Andytheevieni love going to the body shop to get my body wash refilled! it makes me feel so environmentally friendly 😌 helps that their body washes are actually good too!
idk if I'd even classify "bottle in a bottle" as recycling, considering you basically just buy two bottles and then another one for the "refill" instead of one bottle per product. I think the best is simply to make products with compostable packaging, so you don't have to worry as much about how much material the refill uses up.
The problem with compostable packaging is that you have to actually compost it. Which only happens in specific circumstances. If you just throw away compostable packaging, it's sitting around with the other garbage; it's not melting away to nothing.
I consider most "compostable" marketing as greenwashing, frankly.
@@AbbeyMarieEsp good point. I just feel like it's better than nothing, idk. better for folks to have that option to compost than not ig
I wish more companies did any kind of refil. I have no idea what to do with my empty Clinique moisturiser containers and they are so ridiculously big and bulky for the amount of product that came in them. I decanted some into a travel container once and I ended up just using that and refilling it as I could at least put it in my handbag too. Even the little tubes from Clinique aren’t recycled locally to me and I have no idea what to do with them so they don’t end up in landfill.
Take them to any nordstrom if you have one nearby. They offer free terracycle beauty recycling ♻️
Sephora also has a beauty empties recycling bin.
i believe ulta has a recycling service as well! the containers just have to be super clean and dry before you deposit them, though. i’d assume most big beauty retailers will have a comparable recycling service available.
The other thing i don't get is the refills are often the same price as the original. So no one ever buys the refill.
Yes, or they will offer the refill as a larger size, but keep the price consistent with what a jumbo of the same item will cost
Sophomore in packaging engineering here! So excited to stumble across this channel, cosmetic packaging is super interesting.
Awe thanks love!!! Hope you'll share your input, would absolutely LOVE to hear your engineering POV 😊🙌
the one thing that will always piss me off is bottles in bottles. nine times out of ten the inner component is what the lid actually attaches to so once you have the product, the main component is useless
I'm with you on that!!
That last one- OneSkin, the packaging is awful. The pumps break all the time, and you need to end up purchasing new ones because they’re so bad- and this was after they so-called “fixed” the problem with them. Also, you can’t ever get out all of the cream. I’d always have to end up cutting it open when it still had a few weeks worth of cream left, just to be able to get it out. I eventually stopped using it because it was so ridiculous.. and not to mention *very* expensive.. 120$ a bottle. If they made the outer part, the shell, and the pump more durable (and nicer to look at) I’d consider using them again.
Appreciate you sharing your experience!! I haven't had that issue (knock on wood 🚪) but I'm only on my 1st bottle. Fingers crossed this can be rectified bc it's such a great refill system (in theory)
"Keepsake component" is both technical and poetic. I love the term!
Yay! Lol
I honestly like the refill pouches for hair care. It’s so much easier to get it all out before throwing it away and I have so much hair right now that pumps take a while to get enough out.
Great point!!
bottle in a bottle?!?! that is the stupidest thing I have ever seen if the refill is also a bottle just buy the refill if you must get that brand for some reason. The globe is so horribly polluted with microplastics from all this plastic packaging.
pouches might use less material, but they waaaaaay harder to recycle. Depending on a country they are very likely to just end up unrecycled
Some refill pouches can be recycled, but unfortunately even rigid components made of plastic, glass or aluminum still have a relatively low recycling rate (at least in the US)
No one talks about how Korean skincare brands have refill packaging but don’t sell the refills separately most of the time.
Like why tf you selling the refill only if you buy the product with it. What is the point.
Oooo this is a great topic! Korea (and Japan too) are ahead of the US in regard to refills, and often have a better approach to reducing the environmental impact of their refill systems (in my experience)
Of course you have to buy the product first. If you finish the Eiffel just buy it again. Buying it separately cost more than buying it together
@@allisonturquoise love how you ignored what they said and said the opposite 😂
@@AbiSaysThings lol symptom of chronic skimming 🙈 addressing the comment now!
Misread your original comment....🙈 that's so unfortunate that you've had that experience!! Would you say you've had that experience both in-store and online? I know retailers often charge brand's by shelf space, so some brands/retailers won't offer the refills in store, which is frustrating 🫤
Not beauty related but I worked a a store that only sold spices. If you brought in your old glass jars that were empty, we would refill the jars for you and give a discount! You could also buy biodegradable bags to refill at hone if you forgot your jars.
Love this! I'm hopeful the industry will start to implement in store refills in the future...there's some now, but they tend to have a very limited product range and aren't necessarily accessible to the masses
@@allisonturquoise i’ve seen that. I primarily have worked in theatrical makeup which definitely does not do refills.
It’s one of my fave things from working there! Also when you get to reuse your jars you never have to go through ‘repackaging’ that changes size and shape. Idk but it always bothers me when I have to replace something from a set and the new one isn’t the same style as the old ones…
Why would you buy the original of the kiels product when you can just buy that little resealable pouch?
takes up less storage space and easier for traveling
@@kaitlynng7214 I feel like the refill would be easier to travel with and would take up less space - it’s just a little pouch so it’s flat, as opposed to a plastic jar which is hard and round.
And as the refill pouch empties it would take up less and less room, unlike the jar which is going to stay the same size no matter if it’s almost empty.
I also love that refill pouches can be used to put the product in your own containers if you want. So if you ever end up with a nice pretty jar, you can keep using it forever. ❤
i bought a dove handwash 'eco refill' the package wasn't even recyclable but the original pump bottle was.....
The question then becomes, what were the actual recycling rates of the product? Also, generally speaking, the pump mechanism in a “recyclable” bottle is not recyclable, so perhaps there’s an overall reduction in material use and emissions with the eco bottle. Or maybe not and they’re just hopping on the refill bandwagon without thinking it through. 🤷🏼♀️ Trying to be a thoughtful consumer is exhausting.
Remember, the best way to use less packaging overall is to buy in bulk and properly store. Not necessarily speaking cosmetics but just most things in life. Definitely some things you can't stock too far ahead too though
Ooo this is an interesting point that many consumers don't think of!👏
so true
Oh to refill my lotion from a giant wall dispenser like an old time apothecary...
There's stores that do this! They generally go by some name that includes/is related to the word "refillery". There's one in my city that's great not just for cosmetics, but also for dish/laundry soaps and staple food liquids like olive oil. I highly recommend looking up if there's one in or around your area!
why dont people just buy refill packages instead of the original packaging?
Great question! Some refillable packaging requires users to purchase the keepsake component (cause it comes with a pump, for example) but others could be used on their own without the keepsake component
@@allisonturquoise yeah but what about the refill pouches? you could just use those
get more bang for your buck
@strawb3rry_kisses oh gotcha...yes in the case of refill pouches you can definitely just purchase and use the refill! I do this with my refill pouches 🙌
because people pay for aesthetics, yeah you can just buy a pouch of cream but does that look as good as a pretty little container
@@strawb3rry_kisses They're not as easy/comfortable to use. When I wash my hands, I don't want to handle a pouch, when I want to moisturize my face, I don't want to handle a pouch and so on
Can i just buy the refill?
Yes you can! For most products you generally don't have to buy the keepsake component (unless there's a pump, in which case most brands only sell the pump with the outer keepsake component)
I like l'occitane's soap, and when I buy it I just buy the refill package and either use it as is or fill a different bottle. Since sometimes I like to water down the soap a bit otherwise the sent is too strong.
Love this 👏👏👏
Ah yes, because let’s start putting vitamin C, retinoid and hydrogen peroxide in clear simple bottles. Nothing could go wrong. :|
If you have an empty screw on jar left over and no refills, it makes great jewelry cases for traveling or long term storage too
Love this idea!
Bottle in a bottle is still bottle and most of them function without the priginal packaging... With means its more a suggestion of sustainability rather than honest pursuit of sustainability
Well said 👏
I think I would just use it from the pouch
When you say bottle in a bottle refills it kinda sounds like when characters in animal crossing are talking to each other 🙈
This is hilarious 😂
Honestly, it would be better if those hybrid refill pouches didn’t come with the outer plastic and instead had the brand shit printed onto the pouches with all necessary information on the back. Make the pouches able to stand on their own and that would probably save a lot of
We have the pouch ones for soap in our laboratory. It was supposed to be for the wall mounted soap dispensers but they’re awful and broken so we just refill regular soap bottles with them.
I work in a haur salon, abd kerastase is beginning with the bottle in a bottle refil on their elixir ultimate haur oil, and not only will it go from 100 ml to 75ml with likely no reductions in price. I feel like it would've been more sustainably to just make the inner bottle. Like i grt it, you jusg gotta buy the outer bottle once, but they're still going to produce a ton of the outer bottle
Oh that's so interesting they're reducing the size, but keeping the price the same 🫤
Did you know those multi layer pouches are one of the least able to recycle? Manufacturers need to do better.
my boyfriend just uses the product right out of the refill pouch. He doesn't put it in the refillable container. i appreciate how chaotic he is lol
Lol love that😂 bf helping to reduce his environmental impact, one chaotic choice at a time 😂👏👏👏
I think best refills are the powder ones inside paper package
I love these too! Small Wonder recently launched a powder shampoo that comes in a refill paper tube🙌
Refil pouches are amazing, you can almost use them without a container!
I love refills packed in paper. Something like lush lipsticks. I’ve also seen some powdered products sold in cardboard
i wish more products would offer refills like this, i always feel so guilty throwing away empty bottles knowing that they are probably going to landfill even though i put them in the recycling bin
I feel ya on that!
KRAVE Beauty's Great Barrier Reef is a holy grail for me w Lupus. The package isn't refillable but mostly recyclable. I wish they had refills.
Though i know some companies use it as an opportunity to give less product.
I hear thus product is a holygrail for so many people! Wonder if Krave will ever consider launching a refill pouch for it🤔
These companies are honestly playing in our faces, like they want these refills to seem like they’re good for sustainability, but the fact that most of them don’t care about making the refill packages biodegradable speaks volumes. It’s just a marketing ploy to get people to buy the same product over and over again, in shittier packaging that’s cheaper for the company to produce, but that is still ultimately not good for the environment bc it’s still usually just plastic in a different form
I've also seen a body splash/ deodorant from Boticario wich it's refill is just the same bottle with a foil lid, you unscrew the spraying top from the empty bottle onto the new one after pulling the metal lid and you're good to go!! I love it sm
Ooo I need to look this refill up!!
ive never understood the bottle in a bottle ones. it doesnt even feel like a refill, it just feels like putting a cover over the product.
I wish there were more accessible refills in general half the time I can’t find them even if a brand claims they make um!
The only time i find the bottle in a bottle refill usefull is , when the outer bottles has something that needs to be there to use the product, if i want that lotion ima justnbuy the refill and use a different container i alrwdy have as storage
I love using the refills on their own...often times the outer keepsake component is so unnecessary
Im wondering if maybe a refill campaign similar to what Lush does in collecting their pots gives you some reward upon returning them?
I don’t know if you’ve covered this yet but Bath and Bodyworks has refillable soap bottles where the actual soap is in a paper carton and they sell glass bottles to go with it
Buying refills only & finding in store refills is THE BEST 🥰 and the only way we should be going about it tbh!
But it still doesn't solve the problem of waste. It just creates new waste.
Instead their should be refill station where from big container small container can be filled.
I think the industry ideally should move towards refill stations, but currently we don't have the infrastructure to ensure that everyone in the US has a refill station accessible to them. There's also the logistical challenge of shipping formulas in bulk to fill the refill stations up. And hygiene also continues to be a concern...however I'm hopefully refill stations become more accessible and affordable 🙌
Even the refill stations have SOME waste, as the product needs to be shipped to the store in something. It's certainly reduced waste compared to the packaging needed to sell individual consumer-sized products, but the difference between a refill pouch and a refill station is essentially just a matter of scale, it's not a fundamental difference in kind. The refill station reduces waste even more than the refill pouch, but neither is ZERO waste.
And many, many people don't live near stores that offer bulk refills of stuff. I live in a farm town, I'd have to drive almost an hour to get to the nearest zero waste store. And I'm lucky that my nearest one is even that close. It's just not happening for me, realistically. The refill pouches are better than my next most available option, which is regular product packaging.
@@sockpuppetqueen beautifully summarized 👏👏👏
SKKN’s refil feels like a total joke to me, like the bottle feels so pointless, I would just buy the refill at that point
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Just buy the refills...
The entire video is comparing 3 different kinds of refills and what their pros and cons are. She's not saying to not buy any refills.
@@AKbaby89 I think OP is saying to skip buying the keepsake package and just purchase the refill at the start.
They just aren't convenient. The packaging is made from very soft plastic, isn't made to stand up, doesn't have a dosage, you can't see the color or the name, doesn't have a lid, have a system so you can't close once you opened, make a mess when using by itself.
I have a moisturizer that the refill is made from hard plastic, but the bottom is purposely tilted, so it doesn't stay up, and you need to cut the lid to get to the moisturizer
I have never seen refills for beauty products in my country (germany) usually it's a new packaging alltogether every time 😮 the only pouch refill i know of is handsoap in 500ml or 750ml. Even quick google search only showed me 3 brands that offer these type of products which is very interesting.
there is DEFINITELY refill options for hair shampoo at DM, it has the same packaging as the hand soap. also at some shops you can by shampoo, conditioner, soap, dishwashing liquid, detergent (for clothes) in bulk and fill it into your own containers. you also have the option to by solid soaps, which use only paper packaging and last quite a long time. there are also razors sold at dm where you only change the razor metal bit so you dont need to buy new platsic packaged razor refills EVER AGAIN. the skincare examples she showed are super high-end with fancy packaging I am sure you can find stuff like that at sephora? but the drogerie skincare we have already comes in minimal packaging like the refills she showed so what would you be refilling?
I have long been skeptical of the "bottle in a bottle" refill system, thanks for confirming it doesn't actually help very much unless you're habitually reourchasing that product. How does the component material factor in? For example, the Glow Recipe outer bottle is glass, which is highly recyclable with little to no loss in quality/purity. Whereas the inner package that the consumer is reourchasing, the "refill" part, is plastic, which significantly reduces in quality each time it is recycled. I would almost think we would be better off, environmentally, if consumers simply recycled or reused the glass containers rather than purchasing new plastic "refill" pods.
Bottle in a bottle doesn’t sound like a refill to me. If my phone break, i take it out of its protective case and put a new phone in that case im not getting a phone refill. 😂
What? Why are you comparing moisturizer to a phone?
The bottle in a bottle is a refill, since they are made to be inserted into a permanent package. The glow recipe refill for example, is in a plastic tub and it has a foil top. So if you don't put the refill into the permanent packaging, you won't have a top. You cannot use the refill without the permanent packaging, so your phone comparison just doesn't work, at all.
@@AKbaby89 the Grey bottles she showed at the start legit looked like the outside packaging you put the refill in was literally just a pretty outter shell you could easily go without by only buying the "refill", that's why.
Like honestly if the refill bottle work on its own then it's not a refill imo.
@@CosmindArt if you pay attention, the bottle within the bottle products do not have tops or pumps. They are made to be used in permanent packaging, like I said above.
@@AKbaby89 both of the Grey bottles shown swapping inside and out the container that I specifically pointed out each have their own pump nosles. I rewatched that part twice to make sure. I have eyes thanks. 😂
@@CosmindArtoh you mean the one without the lid? Therefore leaving it open if you don't have the outer packaging? That one?
Honestly, I would just buy the refill pouches
That's what I've been doing for my facial cleanser, and I love it!
Right? So much more sustainable and cheaper.
Airless pumps are the best for using up all the product. Like the maybelline age rewind you can squeeze out every single last drop.
Airless pumps definitely can have a higher restitution rate, which is especially helpful when you're using a product with a hefty price tag....I don't know about you, but I want every last drop 😂
You’re replacing plastic with plastic just the shape is different and all recycling gets broken down so what’s the point except saving a bit of money?
What's the point of what? Buying refills?
The last one is genius, I don't know why I don't see them at all in the market...
Thank you for this video!
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But considering soft plastics aren’t recyclable in most places but the harder plastics can be up to three times before it’s trash, I’m not sure this is the way either. I’d die for a store to open that allows you to bring back the same bottle to use over and over. Reduce and reuse should always come before recycle as we only recycle plastics up to three times unlike infinitely recyclable glass and metals.
All great callouts!! Pouches definitely aren't a perfect solution, but until we're able to offer in-store refill stations for high usage products (as you mention!) they're one of the better solutions currently offered on the market. Hoping as the industry continues to innovate we'll get more effective solutions 🙏🙏
I feel that it is actually more wasteful if you still have to buy new containers......that go in containers. Suprise. More waste. The only way to make it less wasteful would be to use very old makeup techniques such as how face powder used to be pressed into your own personal compact and when the powder was completely used up, you'd just get it re-pressed into the same compact. Now that is reducing waste.
It's interesting looking to the past for sustainable packaging solutions!! To your point, I'm hopeful the industry starts to implement more reusable packaging in the future
I don't know why but I'm obsessed with the word "pouch"
The pouch cartridge also has the added benefit of making me feel like we're living in the future!
Refill pouches have been a staple in Japan for decades now. It's surprising that this wasn't a common thing in the West until recently.
Amika shampoo is so good & I love the refill packaging it makes me feel good as a consumer
I just wish they made them out of materials that can actually be easily recycled, refill pouches might be less packaging but they still cant be recycled
Some refill pouches can be recycled, but unfortunately even rigid packaging made of plastic, glass or aluminum still has a relatively low recycling rate (at least in the US) 🫤
Better refills than excess filler, or filler migration, yknow?
Is there anyone stopping someone from just buying a refill for a product they don’t have??
Nope! Buying the refills on their own is a great way to further reduce the environmental impact of a product 🙌
This kind of thing is why I love Youth To The People. They sell SO much of their cleanser, and its one of the only cleansers that my skin doesn't hate, in a refill pouch and it lasts me forever. 100% worthwhile. The bottle in a bottle thing is so stupid lol.
I saw hand soap in a milk carton and i love it! Its so cute and it has like three uses out of it before you would need to buy another one
One thing i hate about the hybrid pouch "cartridge" at the end. It feels proprietary to the shape of the bottle and limiting the use to that shape whoch,in turn, becomes more wasteful. But thatz jist me with frustrations from inking and printing companies (glares at HP)
The first idea is so infuriatingly stupid I wouldn’t blame aliens for killing us for it.
I love refill pouches. I have the Josie Maran moisturizer and I bought the refill pack by itself instead of the jar because I loved their formula before the revamp
Pouch refills seem like a great idea if you can refill them in store for a fraction of the price because the product can go bad before you use it all. But if it's body wash, shampoo and conditioner it would be a game changer
With the first one the problem is why not just make the entire product the size of the inner part …
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L'occitane has refills for their products as well as low waste packaging
I've been using the second thing for soap literally my entire life. It actually took a few yers for me to learn about bars of soap xD
If there's a bottle in a bottle system, what is stopping me from just buying the refill and not the full product? Same with the pouch. The last is genius.
All of these refills should be in much larger quantities, since larger volumes save on the packaging to product ratio.
The pouches aren’t recyclable in my area, but the containers mostly are, can you please speak to this and advise whether the pouches are still a better option in relation to this?
Pouch refills are my favorite . Using day and night sleep on mask then put them in an already used up washed + sanitized foundation pump bottle!
Refill pouches can also be used without buying the outer packaging which makes them cheaper
I love this channel
Lets popularise and make refills to trend so more companies do refills 😍
In Japan we use refill pouches! I love refilling my shampoos and such. It feels better the buying another big hunk of plastic!
Im not using make-up, but im still happy to end up on your videos to learn about make-up.
Awe thanks love!!🫶
What i'd like to know is which type of component is easier to recycle? Sure the hard plastic is heavier and uses more plastic than the pouch, but isn't it easier to recycle? I know we don't recycle enough currently but still.
Good question! It's tough to say for sure...however pouches are generally considered less commonly recyclable. But, the EPA estimates only around 9% of plastic waste gets recycled in the US, so I'm of the opinion that due to our low recycling rate we should prioritize reducing material use, and work to improve our recycling infrastructure
Dove has come out with a refillable steel deodorant stick that I really like
Ooo I need to look that one up!
My favorite moisturizer is the skin fix peptide one that has the little pump on it and the refil is a bottle in a bottle design but you get to reuse the pump and the casing… I think in this case it’s good enough for me!
I love the third one. If it is made of recycled plastic, it would be perfect
All packaging should be like this. Theres NO real reason to have fancy little jars and other dumb shit
Be like what? There was several different packaging options shown.
@@AKbaby89 Ill leave it up to you to use your critical thinking skills to figure out what I mean
@@LLC-zc7cp sweetie there was about 20 different packages shown. Nobody knows what you're talking about.
@AKbaby89 the refills babe. Products should be packaged like the refills. Less waste.
@@LLC-zc7cp there's 3 different kinds, one of which includes fancy jars, and she talks about how it's actually more waste, and not even a deal for the bottle in bottle refills unless you buy over 5.
There’s brands like Byoma where the refill is just the same bottle without the pump
Do you have suggestions for brands that use pouch in bottle packaging? I like the idea of not exposing my products to air just to refill them, and I'm also clumsy enough that I spill the refill with embarrassing frequency.
Unfortunately not many brands have implemented this type of refill system...I can only think of the One Skin system (shown in the video), but I'm hoping more brands adopt similar refills in the future!
Im a chemistry major and I’m specialising in polymers. Idk what I’ll be doing next but I know that packaging is something I’m weirdly passionate about 😂 so maybe that
The pouch is top teir
sometimes with the bottle in a bottle Ill just buy the refills and not get the outer bottle at all
I legit only buy refil pouches😭 like i have shampoo and conditioner bottles that are filled with other stuff haha
i only buy the refill part of it, which should be standard
bottle in bottle defies the reason for refill, which is to save plastic