Would be pretty wicked if we could ally with both the corpus and grineer. The invasion missions could be the united origin alliance against the sentients.
They clearly don't find the Tenno 100% repulsive because they are willing to ask for (and accept) our aid in situations like an infestation outbreak or aid against the rival faction. A threat like the Sentients starting a new war would probably create more situations like that. I agree with Stallord that eventually we're going to have a full on invasion of the real world by Void corrupted things like Vor. Why is the man in the wall leading us to Ballas and seemingly pulling us out once we get the Paracesis?
would it not be equally cool to team up with the sentients to rid the system of grineer and corpus? The old orokin the sentients seek to destroy are no more, after all.
I really don't want to kill Lotus, but I've gone ahead and named my anti sentient build on the sentient slayer "THOT SLAYER". Forgive me for what I must yabba dabba do.
I kinda wanna kill Lotus. Like at this point even if I find out this is largely due to the influence of her Mother, it doesn't change the previous lies she's told and things she kept from us: (The Reservoir on the Moon, our Connection to The Grineer Queens, our Warframes really are constructed from Infested Tissue, How we eradicated the Orokin etc.) In the Words of Biggie Smalls: *"I'm sick of Niggas lyin', and I'm sick of Bitches hawkin', matter fact, I'm sick of talkin'."* Go with God, my fellow Tenno. He was never with me.
@@MotH_V01D Again, that is predicated on what Info arises. I don't plan to forgive Lotus if this was the Plan all along. Pulling out all the Weeds, for Sentient Fertilizer. Because this realistically, makes her no better than the Corpus, Grineer, or Infested she's sent me to kill.
God to think this started as a 3rd person free to play with a very low player base to being a very top rated free to play that puts 10 million dollar budget games to shame. Love this game, love the story so far, and can’t wait to proceed through the next part of the quest!
I dont think Ballas had the Sentient legs grafted and more like the seeds of the legs were planted and grew in him and thats why he's got the dangly leg on his knee
@@ctavi6654 New loka wouldn't even want to do anything, they just don't give a crap. The perin sequence would be in it for the potential new resources, the red veil would perhaps see the sentients as the corruption they despise the most, steel meridian are just grineer idk, cephalon suda would just be like hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the entire time, and the arbiters of hexis would probably be against more than 1 fight a day because learning new skills I guess?
My headcanon for the Man in the Wall is that he/it isn’t actively or deliberately malevolent, but that it’s just intensely curious about the physical universe and has been unable to reach out thanks to Rell’s efforts, and that it’s using the Tenno as a means to experience more. That said, it is pretty spooky, and the possible dialogue from the War Within does make it seem like it’s a bit angry/resentful of a Tenno that tries to control or destroy the Kuva:
I'm fairly certain that the Man in the Wall IS the Void. We are all trespassers as Vor warned, and our parents were the first to go. Manny was foiled in corrupting us thanks to the Somatic Pods, but now that we're awake he can start back again. However, we've got a new issue; the Sentient have trespassed into the Void too, to get to the Origin system. So now he's "helping" us, in order to empower us with the ability to kill the Sentient... and then he'll turn to us to finish the job.
@@TheRedstonian That sounds about right. Thus far EVERYTHING that has passed through the Void has been corrupted or been nearly corrupted by it (Tenno). It'd be cool/frightening to see it corrupt a sentient or outright annihilate it with one of its muppets.
Pet theory is Ballas added two and two and got Five. We're in the phase where it's trying to make us feel like the only option is to kill Natah, that she MUST die. However if Natah has been using us from the start to keep allies divided and the house weakened for Sentients to burn? Why defy Hunhow? Why protect us if we are nothing more than pawns? Theory I have is Margoulis is in the helmet. Natah has the body. Margolis shielded Natah from the Hive Mind her mother represents, allowing natah to form her own directives. I feel Wally is less an Ally and more on his own side we happen to be amusing to observe.
My guess is We are made to defy hunhow Because he sat in stasis at the bottom of the ocean. When he woke up he went straight back to doing what he was gonna do, as it seems he has no contact with the mother. This seems to be out of line with the mothers plans, who evidently wanted to wait for the right moment. Hunhow is still out there, and we know it is possible to kill the giant sentients, so it's interesting how we were used to just stop him doing what he wanted to for the time being.
Isnt Hunhow still sitting at the bottom of Uranus? I know we see him being fully awakened and operational in the Second Dream but if he is capable of action why hasnt he attacked the System yet?
I'm kinda split on how i feel about the Sentient Mother seemingly being the big bad. We had all this build-up for Hunhow, the Sentient Destroyer of Worlds. His arrival in the Second Dream was a game changer for everything we knew about the Tenno and the game as a whole, according to Alad V he is heralded as "Nightmare of the Orokin" and the boogeyman to the Corpus, and he did a pretty good job as a threat to the Cephalon Weave in Octavia's Anthem. We are just going to drop all that? (Nevermind his voice and dialogue just being plain kickass.)
I think Hunhow should 100% play a larger part, however as he is one of only three true sentients we know of (Eidolon, Hunhow and the Mother), he is roughly as powerful and large as the threat here. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up defeating Mother, only for Hunhow to have both anticipated this and worked it into a larger scheme. After all, Hunhow attacking the weave (while damn cool) seemed a little out of the blue and also, for something as powerful as him, a bit weak. Hence: I think that was a diversion. I mean, he went from "Pull the Tenno from the void and destroy their hidden hearts" to "Delete their memory sticks". Seems off. Also I still stick by my belief that the Stalker has been posessed by him
Agreed, they played up Hunhow only to drop him like a comic book writer would in favor of an even bigger, more malevolent threat. I hope the mother's power is merely a manipulative factory while Hunhow lives up to his reputation from the Old War.
"(Nevermind his voice and dialogue just being plain kickass.)" this, every so often i go and rewatch TSD's cutscene because the line "Cleave it beating from its nest" gives me chills and i fully agree on the whole thing, he needs to come back as a bigger threat, as he's so played up to be
it was supposed to be ; and might still be able to used the nodachi stances once they go live ingame ; just like how Rev's signature daikatana was postponed until melee V3.0
I had such high hopes for Ballas as a perfect warframe villain, very intelligent and thinking five moves ahead while being completely understandable in his motives. For him to end up in that form and acting so desolated, while the sentient mother and Natah become the big baddies is such a waste. I understand that Natah will most likely switch teams once more, sacrificing herself for us, but I was and kinda still am anticipating Ballas revealing his "grand plan" involving all the events with the sentients and the tenno, then attempting to revive Margulis from whatever's left from Natah and Margulis. I can't believe he just let Margulis die without any second thoughts at the time.
The problem is that ballas was never the big bad though he only seemed because he assisted hunhow. Ballas only wanted the lotus back that's it he didn't care about us only that we stood between him and his "beloved margulis" he may have been a tactician but over time he was blinded by his loneliness and that led to his downfall.
it led to his down fall... and we are blinded the same way. we are still after her, hoping se comes back. but i still feel like we will be surprised. in many ways. tension, salad v, even the worm might come out to play. the man in the wall might be more warning then he is breaking us down.
I feel as if in The New War, we will face Natah. And Warframe will grant us 3 choices as usual. Emotional choice: spare her Emotionless choice:slay her In between choice:Forgive her
What about the paracesis nature? Ballas said the "idea" of such weapon could be a basis of many more to come. A weapon created from sentiet bone and void energy.
The paracesis is a orokin weapon though. And literally all of our weapons that the warframes/tenno use channel void energy in a similar manner to destiny where the guardians channel their light through their weapons pumping light into their bullets to damage things that wouldn't otherwise be able to be damaged or killed by those weapons. Except with us it's with the void and the void is known for it's space magic, fuck the laws of physics because I say so nature.
I can't waity to empty a mag or two in Natah's head. Time to end it all. I hope we will have a change in the operation control too. Scrap "holo mom" and put anyone else in stead. I'd love to see Ordis at that role.
kenshiro84 this is really all I want. I don’t care what happens, but I do want to get rid of holo Lotus. I prefer silence over hearing Lotus’s incessant useless directives. I mean no offense to Rebecca, but at some point it really is hearing too much of one person.
I JUST opened your channel to see if there's new stuff because of Chimera and there was nothing. Few minutes later I look if there's anything new on subscriptions... there it is. MAGIC!
I always had a wish that in The sacrifice we'd kill Natah and revive Margulis. Now the New War seems to be the perfect time to do that. Id also like a part where we team up with every faction and maybe Ballas too to fight back the Sentients
Little did we know at the time that Natah is actually Natah who was brainwashed to act like Margulis so we can have a mother figure. The time Natah spent as Margulis was said to be incredibly torturous for her. So really we decide either kill Natah or end up torturing her even more.
We need cannon about natah's infiltration at old war before we move on to new war. How exacly she gain trust of tenno? She use margulis' form and memories but i dont think she said shes margulis to tenno. Because tenno never suprised when they found about margulis' death or get angry with lotus like "i thought your margulis". So what happened why did tenno trust natah that much? If you got any knowledge about this topic please share. It really bugs me.
The Tenno didnt remember anything when first reawakening. We had no idea what the sentients were or who Lotus or Margulis are. All we knew was that this mysterious lady woke us up and was helping us. As for the lack of a reaction from the Tenno when its revealed that Lotus is a Sentient, we are still stuck within our Warframes, our true bodies still locked away on Lua. So its pretty difficult to react to something like that without a face or voice. And by the time we can react we've just barely survived an encounter with the Stalker, so its probably not the biggest thing on the Operator's mind at the time.
To the Tenno their original memories were surpressed and the entire time our entire life was the Warframes. It wasn't until we we awoken that we woke up from our "Dream"
lemme jut point out the mega flaw in the "lotus was always evil" shtik we're apparently going with here if she was always double crossing us- rather than killing us all when the tenno were weaker and mostly all factions were gone, she waited for the factions to rise in power and give rise to others, she waited for the infested to not only be revitalized but enhanced and she waited for the tenno to obtain weaponry and sentient effective weapons as well as for corpus to replicate and re-engineer sentient tech- i can keep going if you want she let her fathers death come for nothing and protected us from the stalker- WE COULD HAVE DIED THERE BUT SHE KEPT US *ALIVE* yet apparently all this time shes been using us and shes actually just a generic sentient enemy manipulating us all to make us weaker ... if that really is how de wants to do this theyre shit writers- but more likely we're all wrong about how things seem and ballas is pushing a false idea
it may seem silly but i think that when ballas was talking abut his perfect death, he may have referred to at the end of the sacrifice. it would connect sith the split in his torso is just a bit above where umbra had the operator stabbed him. now the sentient probably uses some virus or tech to turn ballas half sentient to "save him" or all the more likely test it to see if they could turn living being into sentient puppets. now this could have a interesting quest or special event where the sentients send in a invading part maybe like a scouting part and they start turning the grineer, and corpus, and possibly the infested. leading to the tenno and your operator with umbra destroying them one by one leading to a visit to the tau system and a fight with natah or her mother. (EDIT): after reading some comments i also got the idea that we probably wont kill natah, only restore the lotus maybe by saying "dream of not what you are but what you want to be" or something sad like that. if they do though i hope the restored lotus gets new voice lines and such
@@dusu2452 sentients are not, have you noticed the shape of ancient Infested? The sentients are the biotech evolution of the technocyte virus, which the infestation was created to break down the sentients. Just like cephalon jordas.
My head cannon is that the story of warframe this far (2019) is all about how natah and hunhow played the entire origin system in their 4 step plan. 1 -destabilized the system ( once awake ) 2 -gaining a false sense of trust and security via creating a threatening red-black herring (natah and the second dream) 3 -De-void the moon so the reservoirs are more exposed (the second dream is essentially, a big "two birds in one stone" situation) 4 -kuva sources so they could heal themselves after a mass-invation void jump ( the war within and the implications of the lore found in the plains of eidolon )
The new war would be something like (for me) >We ally with the corpus,grineer,and the Stalker. >we fight ballas but since he was controlled by space grandma we let him live (now ballas fights with us) >Fight grandma and hunhow. >Everyone is there,From Vor to the hyena pack. >We win >Lotus tries to fool us by telling she is Margulius >The man in the wall stabs her in the back since the void would collide if lotus wins (the Sentients finally addapted to the void, making the fight wayyy more difficult) We win and the sentients are destroyed The end lmao
I'd better not need to paracesis to do the new quest when it comes out. That sword is something I'd rather not deal with. I ain't fighting any eidolons
Then... That would really get rid of the narrative of it being a "sentient slayer" weapon. It is able to get rid of the adaption of the sentients and deal more damage towards them. Maybe if they introduce more weapon types of a sentient slayer weapon that would be good. I understand not everyone likes or uses a great sword. Also we will be fighting an army of sentients so...
Well for those not willing to use Paracesis there's still Operator Void Amp which nulls Sentient resistances and Excalibur Umbra which oozes Sentient slaying with its' innate polarities and Umbral Scream.
The Warframe lore reminds me of the books of Arkadiy and Boris Strugatski. Great Russian Sci-Fi writers. With each page you read - you get more questions than answers.
what i think 80% actually....the man in the wall is the operator's father, remember the war within quest? the father addresses the operator as kiddo....
Nah, he heard your dad call you kiddo and just sort of picked up on it. Wally is some kind of manifestation of the Void, and follows the Tenno around because we have Void powers.
At the very least, when farming for the resources for the Paracesis, you are incrementally getting to your goal of getting it. Meanwhile, there is Broken War and War.
I can't farm any of that, I just _Can't._ my computer throws a fit every time I try to join an Eidolon squad. I don't know why though, because it never did this when I first started out. I used to be able to jump into the plains just fine, it was never this bad...
@@rena8215 I'm an Inaros using Umbra's special Sentient Damage-resisting Mods. The entire Sentient army will die of old age before they ever take me out for good...
That's actually good to know DE is trying to prevent mr6-9 from doing this quest like the sacrifice (which I thought should've made Umbra grindy, makes umbra less special and make it accessible at mr10 or mr12) if you can't do the grind then develop the patience. We'll be fighting probably the strongest faction to a mid game player so its pretty justifiable to make it expensive and time consuming to build.
Now looking back from the New War, its crazy that all this was dashed away. Like what?? Happened?? To the original plan?? How the hell did Ballas even gain power over Natah?? Like where did alll of this go??
I still want to ram the Exalted Blade into Ballas' jugular for the shit he pulled but that free sword is great. I'll take it. Now, he better muck off before I decide to test the Paracesis on his Orokin candy ass.
I think Lotus's intentions were always to create her own personal army out of the only ones who could oppose her, and crushing any nuisances in the process. An army of tenno and sentients. Nothing could stop her. As for the man in the wall, he's definitely an agent of chaos. Though, I think those shadowy visions were just him fucking with us, seeing as he's wearing the helmet and laughing the whole quest, even dancing at the end. Perhaps he is the will of the void itself, perhaps he is just a denezin of it. But it gave the children who did not reject him power over the void. Power to fight the adults who had been driven mad by his influence. But he also seems to care about the tenno, allowing them to keep this power long after they left, And the visions actually helped him. But then he also says that they owe him for saving them in the void, and letting them use the void powers to their advantage as they see fit.
I really do wonder how much Warframe lore is "writing by edge of your seat" aka making shit up as we go. Like Lost or how Chris Metzen wrote Warcraft story.
whats the point of the sword when he created umbra which all ready removes sentient resistance, and if a weapon was truly needed why a sword, why not a ranged weapon why not an actual BFG which would be better deserving of the title SENTIENT SLAYER
Because amunition will go empty, eventually. A sword, however, won't. If you are about to face countless enemies, to be a sentient slayer, better get yourself a BFS. Thus stances are AWESOME. Sort of
@@apieceofcrap8794 Cuz gun feels empty. Bam! It's dead. No satisfaction. Sword is much better. It's opinion, after all. I simply mean I understand why DE wants it to be a sword and not Tonkor 2.0.
What if, by the end of the new war, umbra has to sacrifice himself. Maybe it could just be his sentience or turn it into a base Excalibur. 99% sure it won't happen, but it would be cool if umbra had more to do in the story
The rift is another thing entirely. The void is a whole other domain, while the rift is a dimension pane running parallel to the normal pane. The rift cannot be navigated without limbo due to the fact it extends into more dimensions than the 3 dimentions of the normal world, while the void can be entered but it's nature exerts a corrupting influence on the mind of the beings that enter.
what if, the man in the wall is a lonely being who wanders the void? what if, the zariman ten-o incident brought him/it his 'children', the tenno? what if, margulis later natah/lotus has taken his 'children' away from him/it? if you're the man in the wall, what would you do?
Exactly what he's been doing. Guiding from the shadows and doing what he can to push us to grow stronger. Rell...I think he just tried harder to help Rell but couldn't. His mom was barely able to help him. The blind leading the blind ends with one or both broken. .
Imagine putting on Lotus' helmet and we hear "hello, my beautiful child." tears stream down our face as we reach out, but she's not there. "Where are you? What's going on?!" the voice speaks to us again. I am neither one place or the other. Neither one thing or the other. The time will come when you must decide what must be done." Then later, imagine Natah's sentient form pinned to the ground. We walk over to her, wearing the Lotus helm. She screams and claws at the ground "NO! NO!" we take off the helm and make her wear it. Her eyes glow as we can see her shape violently mold back into the Lotus. We take the sword out and hold her in our arms. She's bleeding to death. She reaches out to stroke our cheek and smiles. As she tries to mouth a few last words she goes limp. Alternatively: We walk over to Natah's form, pinned to the ground. She claws and screams, clinging desperately to life. "NO! NO!" she screams. We look at her weakened form. Regardless of what she's being used for, she is not evil. We remove the sword and she crawls up against a wall. We walk up to her again. She looks up at us "do it then. That's why you're here, isn't it?" she slumps to the side "get it over with." We squat down. "No.." "What?" she says. "I said 'no'. The lotus taught me many things. She was the embodiment of compassion. You were stolen and programmed from birth. Even now the voices in your head are trying to control you. You take of the helmet and stroke it, pulling out a glowing light that solidifies into an oro and then shatters "goodbye." you put the helmet on Natah and tears come to her when she feels the weight of all she has done. "I'm so sorry.." she shutters. We hug her. "The voices are gone. All of them. It's just... Me. What do I do now?" she asks. We smile and walk away. Alternatively: Natah is pinned to the ground. She claws and screams, clinging to life "NO! NO!" we walk over to her. "You may be a monster... But I'm a monster too. " Natah reach out to us silently. Slowly it builds. We fall to our knees and we experience every death we've caused, all at once. The helmet calls to us "wake up..." and we're back, panting on all fours like a dog. Natah reaches out with another attack, her arm flapping helplessly with the attempt. The camera pans behind us and next we see not Natah, not Lotus, but Margulis. "Please, I need help... I'm still alive..." we walk over and pull out the sword. She rises up slowly and put a hand over our shoulder with care. The camera moves behind us again at foot level. There's a wet slice, then Natah's head rolls on the ground. As the camera comes back, her freshly dead body is frozen with both hands attempting to remove the Lotus helm. No tears to be shed, we leave.
On the subject of the "perfect death" line, I didn't consider your take on my playthrough. My initial reaction was that perhaps the Orokin being the technically immortal and incredibly vain individuals they are, harbor fantasies or fetishes about the scenarios in which they finally die, ie a "perfect" death. The act of continuity being as technical as it is, the idea that it can go wrong is also interesting.
If the man in the wall was a force of good I wish we could fight with him and grineer and corpus to defeat the lotus and the sentiments that would be awesome maybe even stalker could help.
@@wiilov Ah yes; the last vestige for those who didn't quite like being explicitly told that they were fools for trusting the word of the most untrustworthy man in the entire galaxy.
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 The fact you deleted your last comment to make a reply tells me you know you're stretching to defend this shit. You know you're wrong.
I don't know why the whole Ballas thing has me confused. I otherwise get the story, but if it weren't for your videos I'd be like 'Wait who is this blue Orokin guy and where did he come from?' I appreciate DE doesn't want to shove the story down our throats and makes us look for details, but the main central story thread could be a bit clearer, or at least summarized somewhere in game. As with gameplay my main criticism of Warframe is that it sometimes relies too much on Wiki.
dream, not of what you are; but what you want to be.natah crossed the void, so she is unable to become a mother herself. but I think she still wants to be, and that she resisted the sentients, but with the return of the sentient mother (or possibly removing the helmet, or both) she isnt able to resist anymore. I have no idea who/what the man in the wall is or wants one thing is certain though, if i get the chance im going to kill ballas. he betrayed the orokin, and now hes betrayed the sentients as well. hes caused enough suffering and destruction to justify his death, hes proven an unfaithful ally and a very powerful enemy, I dont care whose side he is on hes going to die (if the game lets me kill him)
Lotus is a bigger snake than Ballas is. I'd love for the Tenno to work alongside the Man in the Wall in order to take her down (void being strong against sentients), even though he's essentially a chaotic neutral character. I hope Ordis permanently takes over Lotus's role after we kick her ass
Probably not. People have been beating me to the punch on them lately, so ill probably only do it if its super good or a more obscure track that isn't uploaded
This is full amazing free game that’s even better than pay for games. I do buy platinum but that’s for cosmetics. But if you don’t buy anything with platinum you can still complete it :)
I hope the sword won't be needed to continue the story because I doubt I'll ever be able to get the Eidolon Shards for that thing... I have a hard time believing that Natah just tricked us, she had no reason to help us, hell she had several opportunities to kill us which would've made another attempt to take over our solar system so much easier. And wouldn't it be odd if both Ballas and the Tenno see Margulis in the Lotus? A bit too convenient? I kinda share the assumption that the Lotus might've been a personality formed by Natah and Margulis who struck some kind of deal, becoming one, and that the helmet is part of this puzzle as well. There's this weird effect when Ballas did something and disconnected the helm, but I don't think that the effect he caused disconnected it but rather that the effect was something affecting us because of the disconnect (the Lotus usually being connected to us in some form until that moment). Either way, I want my space mom back! :(
I know its late, but why do we need ducats to craft the paracesis? Also it is only acquired from baro, a currency monopolized by him alone. What are ducats? And why is baro amassing so much orokin tech/weapons from the tenno? Im pretty sure he isn't just looking for treasures in the void...
Damn. So shame. My quest i launched accidentally and it's has began from the end when you need hide from Ballas. I thought at first this is it, all quest. But now i see how much interesting have missed.. :-( Also, i didn't saw myself as operator. It was glitched and all was from the first person
It's a good thing my memory is all jacked up. I don't think this was something I was supposed to see being I play on PS4. Oops! But in a few hours I'll forgot I even watched it and when I do finally play I will be surprised. Keep up with the lore videos; this series is probably the only thing that helps me make sense of the story.
The Man in the Wall acts very much as a Trickster archetype. Shows very little regard of consequences and no true allignment. It instead plays tricks on all and seeks to disrupt any current order. Catalyzing change. Honestly it is quite possible that the man doesn't have an agenda. The motivation of Tricksters can be anywhere from orchestrating something in their favour to just doing stuff for their own amusement.
I'd wager the Man in the Wall isnt a force of chaos, more so raw curiosity and neutrality. The Sentients want to convert everything, wrecking the balance. The Orokin were the same, so the Man in the Wall used the colony ship as the means to set the playing field back to neutral. Everything is corrupted by the void because it doesnt belong there, but the Tenno were empowered because the Void needed them to enact its purpose. The Man in the Wall possibly wants to push the tenno to grow stronger for a greater purpose as well, compelling them towards secrets which will mature them (Rell, Balas and Natah) as well as hone them into the ultimate scale reset. It knows little of the material plane, and as it experiences more though us, it comes to change its approach and allows us to act more in line with our own will. I would wager he is a chaotic-good force with his own way of supporting and watching us. His musings are never malicious, they are if anything, affectionate. "Hey kiddo"
Afik... steve debunked that this "spirit" isn't man in the wall, but simply "void echo" that awakened with the ending of TWW. With the end of Harrow quest it gained a body.
I have a feeling Void Daddy/Man in the Wall is to an extent a chaos god in a similar vain as Warhammers universe. Not to the extent as a sentient warp storm hellbent on fuckery but instead a Void Storm hellbent on reclaiming his “property” from Lotus.
It disturb me cause a can saw a lot of videos who speak about the chimera update, and I don't look at them cause, I don't want to spoil myself. I play on ps4 and they didn't realize the update yet (do someone know about when is this update on ps4?) (Aslo I am french)
This is one big thing on why I love Warframe. The only game/franchise I can even consider having such in depth lore, as well as mystery, is Halo. I honestly cant stop referring to the classics, because they're just outright better than most games that have recently released, to possibly the upcoming as well.
Man.. I wish their story quests came out faster. Crazy this shit is already 2 years old.. Also I wish sentients looked different. Lotus looks fucking disgusting.
I’m about 70% sure the man in the wall is our Tenno’s father from the zaramon. Or what’s left of him post zaramon. As “hey kiddo” is specifically mentioned as something our father use to say in the lore.
My hope is that we do end up blowing Natah away, not because I don't care about her, but because I care about Ordis more. I want to be able to get rid of the lotus to make room for someone new. I want Ordis to offer his help and for us to embark on a quest to retrieve a body for him to help us and guide us with. To be a tangible figure for help and guidance like the lotus once was. It would make me happiest for Ordis to tell me my life support is low, or that I've done a mission well. To me, he was more caring and a parent to the tenno than the lotus ever was. Even if he's kind of got no choice
Let me correct some parts in your analysis: Man in the wall is neither good nor bad, “it” does what it finds fun, it’s a creature made completely out of void, if it were chaotic and against the Tenno, it can easy strip our void powers away from us, if it were good, it could easily control its void powers and destroy all sentients, yet it doesn’t, it finds helping us by taunting us and surprising us and giving us challenges, fun. The man in the wall only does fun, it does what it enjoys, therefore it is not evil nor good.
Ballas being enslaved by the sentient while as much as he deserves it is the worst thing that has happened since Lotus become Natah once more, he's the most knowledgeable individual when it comes to warframes and knows all their strengths and weaknesses, in order to truly stand a chance against the new sentient threat we might have to free Ballas from sentient control or make an entirely new warframe...or do both, perhaps Ballas will realize the errors of his ways and sacrifice himself to create one final frame that incorporates aspsects from all his past sins(or we just kill him but that's the boring option).
Natah says she's returning home to the Sentient Mother at the end of The Sacrifice with Ballas in tow. It would make sens that Ballas would still be there as he's clearly under the watch of Natah now. Additionally, the architecture is very clearly Sentient, and the New War trailer shows the inside of the Mother as being extremely massive.
If you consider the Tenno being gifted by the void instead of driven mad, and the man in the wall giving us a game changing advantage together, tells you there is a motive behind "the wall". A motive that isn't necessarily chaotic either. As chaotic as the void may seem, it obviously fears the sentience.
that'd be cool, Vor was basically left out of all of this for such a long time it'd be nce to see him again. I think Alad V was cured, somewhat, still got a bit of infestation scar on his face
ik responding to 1 month old thread is not nice, but, in corrupted vor's speech (wich is way older than the second dream btw) he says "we cannot blame these creatures, they are lead by false prophet, who knows not the secrets of the void". The false prophet is natah, since she's a sentient, so she can't enter the void, the vor knew it all along, he may be very important in next quest
I think the man in the wall is similar to loki not the warframe but rather the norse god mischievous and a trickster but I believe that he hates sentients but can only show us stuff through riddles because either A he is being watched by a larger void creature or B just feels like talking in riddles. Let me know what you think.
Wait, who's the good guy? Who's the bad guy? We're fighting the sentients, but they only rebel because we denied them the right to exist...Are we the baddies?
I just hope they will replace Lotus transmissions now. She's not our space mum and she's never been. I wish we had someone new to lead us or at least the upgraded version of Ordis.
When he said "she stole my perfect death" he simply meant that she couldn't even let him die in peace. And no, ballas cannot do tranferance you probably meant continuity but even that's highly unlikly cause it wasn't hinted at that he had any other perfect body to get in, and ballas being ballas he would leave it at the hands of the sentients to move him into another.
Are we sure it's the Lotus looking through his eye and not her Mother? It felt like "her eye" was purposefully left vague and that either might be the 'eye'.
Didnt our tenno got called "kiddo" by our father in the war within quest? Maybe when he lost his mind along with the others he became a being of the void but unlike the tenno they dont have a physical form thats why the man in the wall takes the form of our tenno or operator.
I think the Man In The Wall wants to accelerate the war. He clearly has some motive. Would be kinda nice if we could do missions for him later on like a syndicate.
i may be alone in this but i dont think otus ever betrayed us. she keeps helping and protecting us. one of my points being why did she contact her mother instead of hunhow? i still feel that they will give us more clues till new war drop but we have to wait and see
I guess we'll all have to wait till the next chapter comes out and not losing ur shit when that man on the wall keeps jumpscaring you and your orbiter.
It would make sense why the man in the wall is an agent of chaos as you said in an earlier video if the void is a combinational timeline than chaos would breed greater uncertainties and lead to more events. Meaning the void gets bigger thanks to chaos.
If I have to have one headcannon anything at this very moment it's Wallie is playing the devil kind of archetype. More or less what Ole Palps was in Star Wars. In my headcannon it's waaaay less string pulling and a lot more of "hey just so you know you could totally eat that apple to gain knowledge that god has denied you from" in this case playing this "Tempt you with power you've never known" while being the actual holder of said power. Almost like tiny suggestions to trick us into making a deal with him that won't be easy to break. In this scenario it could be like "you could totally win this new war but you will lose everything in doing so ooooor take this power to easily deal with it but you will have to serve my needs in future." That sorta thing. I can very much be waaaaaay off the mark but that is what I think.
Would be pretty wicked if we could ally with both the corpus and grineer. The invasion missions could be the united origin alliance against the sentients.
the corpus are willing to do anything for $$$ so why dont we just buy them ;)
They clearly don't find the Tenno 100% repulsive because they are willing to ask for (and accept) our aid in situations like an infestation outbreak or aid against the rival faction. A threat like the Sentients starting a new war would probably create more situations like that. I agree with Stallord that eventually we're going to have a full on invasion of the real world by Void corrupted things like Vor. Why is the man in the wall leading us to Ballas and seemingly pulling us out once we get the Paracesis?
UOAS
United origin alliance against the sentients
G.C.T.A
Grinner.Corpus.Tenno.alliance
@@plague6566 ATGC? DNA nucleotides?
would it not be equally cool to team up with the sentients to rid the system of grineer and corpus? The old orokin the sentients seek to destroy are no more, after all.
I really don't want to kill Lotus, but I've gone ahead and named my anti sentient build on the sentient slayer "THOT SLAYER". Forgive me for what I must yabba dabba do.
@Irfan Spirtovic I might, was just going to call it CLANG.
A Three-sided Coin MM?mN
CLANG is what I named my slash/status build, because of CLANG damage.
I kinda wanna kill Lotus. Like at this point even if I find out this is largely due to the influence of her Mother, it doesn't change the previous lies she's told and things she kept from us: (The Reservoir on the Moon, our Connection to The Grineer Queens, our Warframes really are constructed from Infested Tissue, How we eradicated the Orokin etc.)
In the Words of Biggie Smalls:
*"I'm sick of Niggas lyin', and I'm sick of Bitches hawkin', matter fact, I'm sick of talkin'."*
Go with God, my fellow Tenno.
He was never with me.
@@MotH_V01D Again, that is predicated on what Info arises.
I don't plan to forgive Lotus if this was the Plan all along. Pulling out all the Weeds, for Sentient Fertilizer. Because this realistically, makes her no better than the Corpus, Grineer, or Infested she's sent me to kill.
God to think this started as a 3rd person free to play with a very low player base to being a very top rated free to play that puts 10 million dollar budget games to shame. Love this game, love the story so far, and can’t wait to proceed through the next part of the quest!
We have Fortuna now and the game is still bloody free,although I buy platinum to support the developers.
Reminds me of halo
@@shoobzy3431 I buy platinum because those 75% off stuff cannot be ignored hahah
@@Diogolindir I've played for around 7 months and have never gotten the 75% coupons ;(
@@shoobzy3431 prepare your pockets then.
I dont think Ballas had the Sentient legs grafted and more like the seeds of the legs were planted and grew in him and thats why he's got the dangly leg on his knee
Big agree
AntiCaesar The Skeleton Firebreather damn I didn't notice the other legs until now
I think his body is being converted into sentient psudeo-flesh.
He being terraformed into a sentient boi
And a humongous ass crack
Imagine the grinner and corpus setting aside their differences and assisting the tenno to defeating the sentients
Throw in all the syndicates to for an all out war against the sentient menace!
Pff Jim Pickens. More like Bore Ragnarok
Praise our dear leader
@@ctavi6654 New loka wouldn't even want to do anything, they just don't give a crap. The perin sequence would be in it for the potential new resources, the red veil would perhaps see the sentients as the corruption they despise the most, steel meridian are just grineer idk, cephalon suda would just be like hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the entire time, and the arbiters of hexis would probably be against more than 1 fight a day because learning new skills I guess?
Get the stalker in the fight!
_''By your hand, expose their heart. By my edge...._
*_...Cleave it beating from its nest.''_*
"TeNnO!!!" *Yeets Loki's head to the ground*
Bruh that was such a cool cutscene
@@rapidwarriorpla7z203 indeed bro
"Rip & tear until it is done"
I just hope we Will bring Umbra along the ride and let him punch space-grandma. Space-Uncle Umbra FTW.
My headcanon for the Man in the Wall is that he/it isn’t actively or deliberately malevolent, but that it’s just intensely curious about the physical universe and has been unable to reach out thanks to Rell’s efforts, and that it’s using the Tenno as a means to experience more. That said, it is pretty spooky, and the possible dialogue from the War Within does make it seem like it’s a bit angry/resentful of a Tenno that tries to control or destroy the Kuva:
Well, I remember the Lotus saying "All Teno are known to her" during the chains of Harrow quest -- So who better to de-mystify her as manipulator?
0megasight no kidding Wally tried to scold me when I gave the Kuva to Tension.
I'm fairly certain that the Man in the Wall IS the Void. We are all trespassers as Vor warned, and our parents were the first to go. Manny was foiled in corrupting us thanks to the Somatic Pods, but now that we're awake he can start back again. However, we've got a new issue; the Sentient have trespassed into the Void too, to get to the Origin system. So now he's "helping" us, in order to empower us with the ability to kill the Sentient... and then he'll turn to us to finish the job.
GIVE ME BACK MY VOID ENERGY!! YOU STOLE IT FROM ME!!
@@TheRedstonian That sounds about right. Thus far EVERYTHING that has passed through the Void has been corrupted or been nearly corrupted by it (Tenno). It'd be cool/frightening to see it corrupt a sentient or outright annihilate it with one of its muppets.
Pet theory is Ballas added two and two and got Five. We're in the phase where it's trying to make us feel like the only option is to kill Natah, that she MUST die.
However if Natah has been using us from the start to keep allies divided and the house weakened for Sentients to burn? Why defy Hunhow? Why protect us if we are nothing more than pawns?
Theory I have is Margoulis is in the helmet. Natah has the body. Margolis shielded Natah from the Hive Mind her mother represents, allowing natah to form her own directives.
I feel Wally is less an Ally and more on his own side we happen to be amusing to observe.
He just wants to watch the world burn.... literally
Or Wally could just be an anti hero
The helmet theory makes so much sense actually!
My guess is We are made to defy hunhow Because he sat in stasis at the bottom of the ocean. When he woke up he went straight back to doing what he was gonna do, as it seems he has no contact with the mother. This seems to be out of line with the mothers plans, who evidently wanted to wait for the right moment. Hunhow is still out there, and we know it is possible to kill the giant sentients, so it's interesting how we were used to just stop him doing what he wanted to for the time being.
Isnt Hunhow still sitting at the bottom of Uranus? I know we see him being fully awakened and operational in the Second Dream but if he is capable of action why hasnt he attacked the System yet?
I'm kinda split on how i feel about the Sentient Mother seemingly being the big bad.
We had all this build-up for Hunhow, the Sentient Destroyer of Worlds.
His arrival in the Second Dream was a game changer for everything we knew about the Tenno and the game as a whole,
according to Alad V he is heralded as "Nightmare of the Orokin" and the boogeyman to the Corpus,
and he did a pretty good job as a threat to the Cephalon Weave in Octavia's Anthem.
We are just going to drop all that?
(Nevermind his voice and dialogue just being plain kickass.)
I agree, Hunhow and the Sentients was the coolest thing in WF
I think Hunhow should 100% play a larger part, however as he is one of only three true sentients we know of (Eidolon, Hunhow and the Mother), he is roughly as powerful and large as the threat here. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up defeating Mother, only for Hunhow to have both anticipated this and worked it into a larger scheme. After all, Hunhow attacking the weave (while damn cool) seemed a little out of the blue and also, for something as powerful as him, a bit weak. Hence: I think that was a diversion. I mean, he went from "Pull the Tenno from the void and destroy their hidden hearts" to "Delete their memory sticks". Seems off. Also I still stick by my belief that the Stalker has been posessed by him
I really hope Hunhow plays a part in this quest.
Agreed, they played up Hunhow only to drop him like a comic book writer would in favor of an even bigger, more malevolent threat. I hope the mother's power is merely a manipulative factory while Hunhow lives up to his reputation from the Old War.
"(Nevermind his voice and dialogue just being plain kickass.)"
this, every so often i go and rewatch TSD's cutscene because the line "Cleave it beating from its nest" gives me chills
and i fully agree on the whole thing, he needs to come back as a bigger threat, as he's so played up to be
The man in the wall is Space Dad.
I love it
>space dad
>not ordis
No umbra is #1 SPACE DAD
Void boy?
Who would win
A space child army
OR
O N E V O I D B O I
One does not simply NOT click on his videos.
Can it be? A non British lore TH-camr?
Byf, Vaati, and Myelin are Australian not British.
If only the paracesis were a more interesting weapon. How great would it be if this were the first Odachi style weapon?
it was supposed to be ; and might still be able to used the nodachi stances once they go live ingame ; just like how Rev's signature daikatana was postponed until melee V3.0
Maybe they're just keeping it this way for now, until the heavy katana thing gets introduced.
@@sivel7493 I hope so
@@CYI3ERPUNK MORE katanad? Really?
Specialy speaking that it's good for everything else except sentiments xD
I had such high hopes for Ballas as a perfect warframe villain, very intelligent and thinking five moves ahead while being completely understandable in his motives. For him to end up in that form and acting so desolated, while the sentient mother and Natah become the big baddies is such a waste. I understand that Natah will most likely switch teams once more, sacrificing herself for us, but I was and kinda still am anticipating Ballas revealing his "grand plan" involving all the events with the sentients and the tenno, then attempting to revive Margulis from whatever's left from Natah and Margulis. I can't believe he just let Margulis die without any second thoughts at the time.
And that's why idiots grand plans can end to a kid stabbing them in the guts...
The problem is that ballas was never the big bad though he only seemed because he assisted hunhow. Ballas only wanted the lotus back that's it he didn't care about us only that we stood between him and his "beloved margulis" he may have been a tactician but over time he was blinded by his loneliness and that led to his downfall.
it led to his down fall... and we are blinded the same way. we are still after her, hoping se comes back. but i still feel like we will be surprised. in many ways. tension, salad v, even the worm might come out to play. the man in the wall might be more warning then he is breaking us down.
I feel as if in The New War, we will face Natah. And Warframe will grant us 3 choices as usual. Emotional choice: spare her
Emotionless choice:slay her
In between choice:Forgive her
Nah that's too generic. I'm glad it went like this.
What about the paracesis nature? Ballas said the "idea" of such weapon could be a basis of many more to come.
A weapon created from sentiet bone and void energy.
The paracesis is a orokin weapon though.
And literally all of our weapons that the warframes/tenno use channel void energy in a similar manner to destiny where the guardians channel their light through their weapons pumping light into their bullets to damage things that wouldn't otherwise be able to be damaged or killed by those weapons. Except with us it's with the void and the void is known for it's space magic, fuck the laws of physics because I say so nature.
And 20 Wisps
And 5 Toroids each
With more Ducats and 30 platinum
Very powerful weapons can be formed
Aren't Cetus Wisps Sentient constructs?
Friendship ended with Space Mom.
The Man In The Wall is my Space Dad now and I'm siding with him in the divorce
I can't waity to empty a mag or two in Natah's head. Time to end it all.
I hope we will have a change in the operation control too. Scrap "holo mom" and put anyone else in stead. I'd love to see Ordis at that role.
kenshiro84 this is really all I want. I don’t care what happens, but I do want to get rid of holo Lotus. I prefer silence over hearing Lotus’s incessant useless directives. I mean no offense to Rebecca, but at some point it really is hearing too much of one person.
Not Ordis but Simaris who will send us to Tau to continue the Synthesis. Ordis will sooner or later be enslaved by Simaris.
@@AntonMochalin it's not part of Simaris' directive to consume cephalons, simply to preserve organic creatures
Yeah, the lotus never really interested me either. I just have no connection to the character. The game never even tried to make a connection.
My nikana will have a place in Natah skull
Describing what we know with 300+ more adjectives
Ancient man: "Here have a super sword"
Link: *This is where the fun begins*
Omfg we were in lotus's mom that sounds like a comeback
The man in the Wall, being a void creation probably is Just chaotic or maybe the war will affect the void in some way that he wants tô avoid
I JUST opened your channel to see if there's new stuff because of Chimera and there was nothing. Few minutes later I look if there's anything new on subscriptions... there it is. MAGIC!
We live in a society indeed...
it's... a miracle!
I always had a wish that in The sacrifice we'd kill Natah and revive Margulis. Now the New War seems to be the perfect time to do that. Id also like a part where we team up with every faction and maybe Ballas too to fight back the Sentients
Little did we know at the time that Natah is actually Natah who was brainwashed to act like Margulis so we can have a mother figure. The time Natah spent as Margulis was said to be incredibly torturous for her. So really we decide either kill Natah or end up torturing her even more.
Wasn't Margulis wiped by the Jade Light? I dunno for sure but I heard that kinda destroys everything it touches.
We need cannon about natah's infiltration at old war before we move on to new war. How exacly she gain trust of tenno? She use margulis' form and memories but i dont think she said shes margulis to tenno. Because tenno never suprised when they found about margulis' death or get angry with lotus like "i thought your margulis". So what happened why did tenno trust natah that much? If you got any knowledge about this topic please share. It really bugs me.
Well the tenno are teens, probably in puberty...maybe to busy looking at them cheeks 😂😂😂
The Tenno didnt remember anything when first reawakening. We had no idea what the sentients were or who Lotus or Margulis are. All we knew was that this mysterious lady woke us up and was helping us. As for the lack of a reaction from the Tenno when its revealed that Lotus is a Sentient, we are still stuck within our Warframes, our true bodies still locked away on Lua. So its pretty difficult to react to something like that without a face or voice. And by the time we can react we've just barely survived an encounter with the Stalker, so its probably not the biggest thing on the Operator's mind at the time.
To the Tenno their original memories were surpressed and the entire time our entire life was the Warframes. It wasn't until we we awoken that we woke up from our "Dream"
lemme jut point out the mega flaw in the "lotus was always evil" shtik we're apparently going with here
if she was always double crossing us- rather than killing us all when the tenno were weaker and mostly all factions were gone, she waited for the factions to rise in power and give rise to others, she waited for the infested to not only be revitalized but enhanced and she waited for the tenno to obtain weaponry and sentient effective weapons as well as for corpus to replicate and re-engineer sentient tech- i can keep going if you want
she let her fathers death come for nothing and protected us from the stalker- WE COULD HAVE DIED THERE BUT SHE KEPT US *ALIVE*
yet apparently all this time shes been using us and shes actually just a generic sentient enemy manipulating us all to make us weaker ...
if that really is how de wants to do this theyre shit writers- but more likely we're all wrong about how things seem and ballas is pushing a false idea
Were the bad guys
it may seem silly but i think that when ballas was talking abut his perfect death, he may have referred to at the end of the sacrifice. it would connect sith the split in his torso is just a bit above where umbra had the operator stabbed him. now the sentient probably uses some virus or tech to turn ballas half sentient to "save him" or all the more likely test it to see if they could turn living being into sentient puppets. now this could have a interesting quest or special event where the sentients send in a invading part maybe like a scouting part and they start turning the grineer, and corpus, and possibly the infested. leading to the tenno and your operator with umbra destroying them one by one leading to a visit to the tau system and a fight with natah or her mother.
(EDIT): after reading some comments i also got the idea that we probably wont kill natah, only restore the lotus maybe by saying "dream of not what you are but what you want to be" or something sad like that. if they do though i hope the restored lotus gets new voice lines and such
@xKingx no, sentients are immune to the infestation
@@dusu2452 sentients are not, have you noticed the shape of ancient Infested? The sentients are the biotech evolution of the technocyte virus, which the infestation was created to break down the sentients. Just like cephalon jordas.
My head cannon is that the story of warframe this far (2019) is all about how natah and hunhow played the entire origin system in their 4 step plan.
1 -destabilized the system ( once awake )
2 -gaining a false sense of trust and security via creating a threatening red-black herring (natah and the second dream)
3 -De-void the moon so the reservoirs are more exposed (the second dream is essentially, a big "two birds in one stone" situation)
4 -kuva sources so they could heal themselves after a mass-invation void jump ( the war within and the implications of the lore found in the plains of eidolon )
Rule #1
When In doubt, touch a thing you shouldn’t really touch in warframe.
The new war would be something like (for me)
>We ally
with the corpus,grineer,and the Stalker.
>we fight ballas but since he was controlled by space grandma we let him live (now ballas fights with us)
>Fight grandma and hunhow.
>Everyone is there,From Vor to the hyena pack.
>We win
>Lotus tries to fool us by telling she is Margulius
>The man in the wall stabs her in the back since the void would collide if lotus wins (the Sentients finally addapted to the void, making the fight wayyy more difficult)
We win and the sentients are destroyed
The end lmao
And then, on to the next system with an even bigger threat lol
Tenno are actualy the bad guys
The sentients are the good guys
no such thing as evil or good and we are only fighting for what we believe
I'd better not need to paracesis to do the new quest when it comes out. That sword is something I'd rather not deal with. I ain't fighting any eidolons
Red_Crysis I’m with you. I can’t bring myself to do Eidolon fights.
you probably won't need it but it would help
Then... That would really get rid of the narrative of it being a "sentient slayer" weapon. It is able to get rid of the adaption of the sentients and deal more damage towards them. Maybe if they introduce more weapon types of a sentient slayer weapon that would be good. I understand not everyone likes or uses a great sword. Also we will be fighting an army of sentients so...
Eidolon fights are fun, what are you on about?
Well for those not willing to use Paracesis there's still Operator Void Amp which nulls Sentient resistances and Excalibur Umbra which oozes Sentient slaying with its' innate polarities and Umbral Scream.
The Warframe lore reminds me of the books of Arkadiy and Boris Strugatski. Great Russian Sci-Fi writers. With each page you read - you get more questions than answers.
what i think 80% actually....the man in the wall is the operator's father, remember the war within quest? the father addresses the operator as kiddo....
Nah too far fetched for me, why would the father stalk Rell for a few years and then continue to mock his child in not so cryptic messages.
Man in the wall (who is a VOID entity) is definitely not Tenno father.
Well not in the traditional sense but he did give the Tenno their powers.
Nah, he heard your dad call you kiddo and just sort of picked up on it. Wally is some kind of manifestation of the Void, and follows the Tenno around because we have Void powers.
I wish the Paracesis was cheaper to forge, I don't have time to farm all that
At the very least, when farming for the resources for the Paracesis, you are incrementally getting to your goal of getting it. Meanwhile, there is Broken War and War.
I can't farm any of that, I just _Can't._ my computer throws a fit every time I try to join an Eidolon squad. I don't know why though, because it never did this when I first started out. I used to be able to jump into the plains just fine, it was never this bad...
@@rena8215
I'm an Inaros using Umbra's special Sentient Damage-resisting Mods. The entire Sentient army will die of old age before they ever take me out for good...
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 I don't think they can die of old age tho
That's actually good to know DE is trying to prevent mr6-9 from doing this quest like the sacrifice (which I thought should've made Umbra grindy, makes umbra less special and make it accessible at mr10 or mr12) if you can't do the grind then develop the patience. We'll be fighting probably the strongest faction to a mid game player so its pretty justifiable to make it expensive and time consuming to build.
All this to have us make a sword for him to use against us...
Now looking back from the New War, its crazy that all this was dashed away. Like what?? Happened?? To the original plan?? How the hell did Ballas even gain power over Natah?? Like where did alll of this go??
Oh, it wasn't all dashed away, you were just a fool for trusting him!
ballas ? more like ball less🥴🥴
Ballas. More like Lasting balls
Wow what a plot twist,this was more shocking than realizing that warframes aren't actually suits.
The Man the wall is like one of the chaos gods from warhammer 40k
I SMELL HERESY
I hope the Man in the wall is like Slaanesh ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I SMELL EVEN MORE HERESY
I feel like he's similar, but less inherently evil as the Chaos gods. More curious than evil.
@@CrazyDutchguys
Yeah, he is actually helping us for the most part.
I still want to ram the Exalted Blade into Ballas' jugular for the shit he pulled but that free sword is great. I'll take it.
Now, he better muck off before I decide to test the Paracesis on his Orokin candy ass.
I think Lotus's intentions were always to create her own personal army out of the only ones who could oppose her, and crushing any nuisances in the process. An army of tenno and sentients. Nothing could stop her. As for the man in the wall, he's definitely an agent of chaos. Though, I think those shadowy visions were just him fucking with us, seeing as he's wearing the helmet and laughing the whole quest, even dancing at the end. Perhaps he is the will of the void itself, perhaps he is just a denezin of it. But it gave the children who did not reject him power over the void. Power to fight the adults who had been driven mad by his influence. But he also seems to care about the tenno, allowing them to keep this power long after they left, And the visions actually helped him. But then he also says that they owe him for saving them in the void, and letting them use the void powers to their advantage as they see fit.
I really do wonder how much Warframe lore is "writing by edge of your seat" aka making shit up as we go. Like Lost or how Chris Metzen wrote Warcraft story.
whats the point of the sword when he created umbra which all ready removes sentient resistance, and if a weapon was truly needed why a sword, why not a ranged weapon why not an actual BFG which would be better deserving of the title SENTIENT SLAYER
Because amunition will go empty, eventually. A sword, however, won't. If you are about to face countless enemies, to be a sentient slayer, better get yourself a BFS. Thus stances are AWESOME. Sort of
@@QuanTrietLOL Make the weapon regen ammo, why go close quarters with an enemy that can kill you in one hit
@@apieceofcrap8794 Cuz gun feels empty. Bam! It's dead. No satisfaction. Sword is much better. It's opinion, after all. I simply mean I understand why DE wants it to be a sword and not Tonkor 2.0.
I can say sword feels empty. Swing swing dead.
Apieceofcrap not everyone wants to be forced to use a frame. And I’m pretty sure they’ll release more anti-sentient weapons later.
What if, by the end of the new war, umbra has to sacrifice himself. Maybe it could just be his sentience or turn it into a base Excalibur. 99% sure it won't happen, but it would be cool if umbra had more to do in the story
Man in the wall IS JUST AS PLAN GOD Tzeentch that get bored and try to play with us!!!!
Wait.We are in a space between reality and the void.
Is that Limbo's rift?Or simply the ctrl mode of the operator?
Control mode and limbo's rift are both part of the same plane, or the same 'rift' if you will
@@sapphire2300 not really control mode is going into the void. Rift is the reality inbetween the void and spaceland.
Fun fact when you go into operator mode while inside of Limbo's rift, the effect for limbo's rift turns off for you.
The rift is another thing entirely. The void is a whole other domain, while the rift is a dimension pane running parallel to the normal pane. The rift cannot be navigated without limbo due to the fact it extends into more dimensions than the 3 dimentions of the normal world, while the void can be entered but it's nature exerts a corrupting influence on the mind of the beings that enter.
@@mobiuscoreindustries this is a betrer explanation
Oh bless, another Lore video! You always manage to find something I missed, or draw a connection I didn’t think about. Thank you!
what if, the man in the wall is a lonely being who wanders the void?
what if, the zariman ten-o incident brought him/it his 'children', the tenno?
what if, margulis later natah/lotus has taken his 'children' away from him/it?
if you're the man in the wall, what would you do?
Exactly what he's been doing. Guiding from the shadows and doing what he can to push us to grow stronger. Rell...I think he just tried harder to help Rell but couldn't. His mom was barely able to help him. The blind leading the blind ends with one or both broken. .
Imagine putting on Lotus' helmet and we hear "hello, my beautiful child." tears stream down our face as we reach out, but she's not there. "Where are you? What's going on?!" the voice speaks to us again. I am neither one place or the other. Neither one thing or the other. The time will come when you must decide what must be done."
Then later, imagine Natah's sentient form pinned to the ground. We walk over to her, wearing the Lotus helm. She screams and claws at the ground "NO! NO!" we take off the helm and make her wear it. Her eyes glow as we can see her shape violently mold back into the Lotus. We take the sword out and hold her in our arms. She's bleeding to death. She reaches out to stroke our cheek and smiles. As she tries to mouth a few last words she goes limp.
Alternatively: We walk over to Natah's form, pinned to the ground. She claws and screams, clinging desperately to life. "NO! NO!" she screams. We look at her weakened form. Regardless of what she's being used for, she is not evil.
We remove the sword and she crawls up against a wall.
We walk up to her again. She looks up at us "do it then. That's why you're here, isn't it?" she slumps to the side "get it over with."
We squat down. "No.."
"What?" she says. "I said 'no'. The lotus taught me many things. She was the embodiment of compassion. You were stolen and programmed from birth. Even now the voices in your head are trying to control you.
You take of the helmet and stroke it, pulling out a glowing light that solidifies into an oro and then shatters "goodbye." you put the helmet on Natah and tears come to her when she feels the weight of all she has done. "I'm so sorry.." she shutters. We hug her. "The voices are gone. All of them. It's just... Me. What do I do now?" she asks. We smile and walk away.
Alternatively: Natah is pinned to the ground. She claws and screams, clinging to life "NO! NO!" we walk over to her. "You may be a monster... But I'm a monster too. " Natah reach out to us silently. Slowly it builds. We fall to our knees and we experience every death we've caused, all at once. The helmet calls to us "wake up..." and we're back, panting on all fours like a dog. Natah reaches out with another attack, her arm flapping helplessly with the attempt. The camera pans behind us and next we see not Natah, not Lotus, but Margulis. "Please, I need help... I'm still alive..." we walk over and pull out the sword. She rises up slowly and put a hand over our shoulder with care. The camera moves behind us again at foot level. There's a wet slice, then Natah's head rolls on the ground. As the camera comes back, her freshly dead body is frozen with both hands attempting to remove the Lotus helm.
No tears to be shed, we leave.
I don’t believe, Natah was ever on the Tenno’s side, a lot of the dialogue during the Ropalolist assassination indicates that.
I think this is from the sacrifice but i got a voiceline saying
"You remember killing him don't you?"
"Yes"
"Good,That is how it should be"
It comes a bit after when Void dad drops by for a surprise visit
I screamed at my phone as soon as I saw the notification pop-up
On the subject of the "perfect death" line, I didn't consider your take on my playthrough. My initial reaction was that perhaps the Orokin being the technically immortal and incredibly vain individuals they are, harbor fantasies or fetishes about the scenarios in which they finally die, ie a "perfect" death.
The act of continuity being as technical as it is, the idea that it can go wrong is also interesting.
no hate towards dkdiamantes but damn does he overhype things like this
If the man in the wall was a force of good I wish we could fight with him and grineer and corpus to defeat the lotus and the sentiments that would be awesome maybe even stalker could help.
I dont think he can materialize in our world. That's why he made the Tenno, so the Void, so the Man in the Wall, could finally act.
I really don’t understand how this guy goes from slave of the sentients to their master
Because he was always the master. He was playing a bit in the hopes that you'd kill his brainwashed abuse victim for him.
Bad writing.
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Ah yes; the last vestige for those who didn't quite like being explicitly told that they were fools for trusting the word of the most untrustworthy man in the entire galaxy.
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 The fact you deleted your last comment to make a reply tells me you know you're stretching to defend this shit. You know you're wrong.
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I didn't delete anything. TH-cam just hides comments sometimes, I don't know why. Try sorting the comments by recent, it should show up.
I don't know why the whole Ballas thing has me confused. I otherwise get the story, but if it weren't for your videos I'd be like 'Wait who is this blue Orokin guy and where did he come from?'
I appreciate DE doesn't want to shove the story down our throats and makes us look for details, but the main central story thread could be a bit clearer, or at least summarized somewhere in game.
As with gameplay my main criticism of Warframe is that it sometimes relies too much on Wiki.
dream, not of what you are; but what you want to be.natah crossed the void, so she is unable to become a mother herself. but I think she still wants to be, and that she resisted the sentients, but with the return of the sentient mother (or possibly removing the helmet, or both) she isnt able to resist anymore.
I have no idea who/what the man in the wall is or wants
one thing is certain though, if i get the chance im going to kill ballas. he betrayed the orokin, and now hes betrayed the sentients as well. hes caused enough suffering and destruction to justify his death, hes proven an unfaithful ally and a very powerful enemy, I dont care whose side he is on hes going to die (if the game lets me kill him)
Lotus is a bigger snake than Ballas is. I'd love for the Tenno to work alongside the Man in the Wall in order to take her down (void being strong against sentients), even though he's essentially a chaotic neutral character. I hope Ordis permanently takes over Lotus's role after we kick her ass
Great job on the vid StallordD! I don’t remember if there were any new scores but if so are you going to add them to your Warframe OST?
Probably not. People have been beating me to the punch on them lately, so ill probably only do it if its super good or a more obscure track that isn't uploaded
Each video is better than the last. Keep it up StallordD.
yeah gotta correct you mate but ballas did not look away from paracisis in fact he stared right at it
He looked away while forming it
What is the official Warframe channels name "PlayWarframe" ? Just asking. Found you Lore vids and watched through the entire playlist xD
This is full amazing free game that’s even better than pay for games. I do buy platinum but that’s for cosmetics. But if you don’t buy anything with platinum you can still complete it :)
When i first did the quest i wanted the lotus back.....
*now i want to split here in two*
I still want her back
SOON AS THIS QUEST CAME OUT I BEEN REFRESHING UR CHANNEL WAITING FOR THIS YAS
I hope the sword won't be needed to continue the story because I doubt I'll ever be able to get the Eidolon Shards for that thing...
I have a hard time believing that Natah just tricked us, she had no reason to help us, hell she had several opportunities to kill us which would've made another attempt to take over our solar system so much easier. And wouldn't it be odd if both Ballas and the Tenno see Margulis in the Lotus? A bit too convenient? I kinda share the assumption that the Lotus might've been a personality formed by Natah and Margulis who struck some kind of deal, becoming one, and that the helmet is part of this puzzle as well. There's this weird effect when Ballas did something and disconnected the helm, but I don't think that the effect he caused disconnected it but rather that the effect was something affecting us because of the disconnect (the Lotus usually being connected to us in some form until that moment).
Either way, I want my space mom back! :(
I know its late, but why do we need ducats to craft the paracesis? Also it is only acquired from baro, a currency monopolized by him alone. What are ducats? And why is baro amassing so much orokin tech/weapons from the tenno? Im pretty sure he isn't just looking for treasures in the void...
Damn. So shame. My quest i launched accidentally and it's has began from the end when you need hide from Ballas. I thought at first this is it, all quest. But now i see how much interesting have missed.. :-(
Also, i didn't saw myself as operator. It was glitched and all was from the first person
It's a good thing my memory is all jacked up. I don't think this was something I was supposed to see being I play on PS4. Oops! But in a few hours I'll forgot I even watched it and when I do finally play I will be surprised. Keep up with the lore videos; this series is probably the only thing that helps me make sense of the story.
The Man in the Wall acts very much as a Trickster archetype. Shows very little regard of consequences and no true allignment. It instead plays tricks on all and seeks to disrupt any current order. Catalyzing change. Honestly it is quite possible that the man doesn't have an agenda. The motivation of Tricksters can be anywhere from orchestrating something in their favour to just doing stuff for their own amusement.
I'd wager the Man in the Wall isnt a force of chaos, more so raw curiosity and neutrality. The Sentients want to convert everything, wrecking the balance. The Orokin were the same, so the Man in the Wall used the colony ship as the means to set the playing field back to neutral. Everything is corrupted by the void because it doesnt belong there, but the Tenno were empowered because the Void needed them to enact its purpose.
The Man in the Wall possibly wants to push the tenno to grow stronger for a greater purpose as well, compelling them towards secrets which will mature them (Rell, Balas and Natah) as well as hone them into the ultimate scale reset. It knows little of the material plane, and as it experiences more though us, it comes to change its approach and allows us to act more in line with our own will. I would wager he is a chaotic-good force with his own way of supporting and watching us. His musings are never malicious, they are if anything, affectionate. "Hey kiddo"
Afik... steve debunked that this "spirit" isn't man in the wall, but simply "void echo" that awakened with the ending of TWW. With the end of Harrow quest it gained a body.
I have a feeling Void Daddy/Man in the Wall is to an extent a chaos god in a similar vain as Warhammers universe. Not to the extent as a sentient warp storm hellbent on fuckery but instead a Void Storm hellbent on reclaiming his “property” from Lotus.
It disturb me cause a can saw a lot of videos who speak about the chimera update, and I don't look at them cause, I don't want to spoil myself. I play on ps4 and they didn't realize the update yet
(do someone know about when is this update on ps4?)
(Aslo I am french)
This is one big thing on why I love Warframe. The only game/franchise I can even consider having such in depth lore, as well as mystery, is Halo. I honestly cant stop referring to the classics, because they're just outright better than most games that have recently released, to possibly the upcoming as well.
Man.. I wish their story quests came out faster. Crazy this shit is already 2 years old..
Also I wish sentients looked different. Lotus looks fucking disgusting.
I’m about 70% sure the man in the wall is our Tenno’s father from the zaramon. Or what’s left of him post zaramon. As “hey kiddo” is specifically mentioned as something our father use to say in the lore.
Remember when we called the war within "the wait within" welcome to "the new wait" tenno its gonna be a long day
Been waiting for this.
My hope is that we do end up blowing Natah away, not because I don't care about her, but because I care about Ordis more. I want to be able to get rid of the lotus to make room for someone new. I want Ordis to offer his help and for us to embark on a quest to retrieve a body for him to help us and guide us with. To be a tangible figure for help and guidance like the lotus once was. It would make me happiest for Ordis to tell me my life support is low, or that I've done a mission well. To me, he was more caring and a parent to the tenno than the lotus ever was. Even if he's kind of got no choice
Let me correct some parts in your analysis: Man in the wall is neither good nor bad, “it” does what it finds fun, it’s a creature made completely out of void, if it were chaotic and against the Tenno, it can easy strip our void powers away from us, if it were good, it could easily control its void powers and destroy all sentients, yet it doesn’t, it finds helping us by taunting us and surprising us and giving us challenges, fun.
The man in the wall only does fun, it does what it enjoys, therefore it is not evil nor good.
Ballas being enslaved by the sentient while as much as he deserves it is the worst thing that has happened since Lotus become Natah once more, he's the most knowledgeable individual when it comes to warframes and knows all their strengths and weaknesses, in order to truly stand a chance against the new sentient threat we might have to free Ballas from sentient control or make an entirely new warframe...or do both, perhaps Ballas will realize the errors of his ways and sacrifice himself to create one final frame that incorporates aspsects from all his past sins(or we just kill him but that's the boring option).
How do you draw the conclusion that this place is inside a sentient? Where is that hinted at all?
Natah says she's returning home to the Sentient Mother at the end of The Sacrifice with Ballas in tow. It would make sens that Ballas would still be there as he's clearly under the watch of Natah now. Additionally, the architecture is very clearly Sentient, and the New War trailer shows the inside of the Mother as being extremely massive.
If you consider the Tenno being gifted by the void instead of driven mad, and the man in the wall giving us a game changing advantage together, tells you there is a motive behind "the wall". A motive that isn't necessarily chaotic either. As chaotic as the void may seem, it obviously fears the sentience.
speed clicking!
i wonder if corrupted vor and mutalist/alad v will be relevant again in the new war.
both are hybrid/chimera too, in a way x)
that'd be cool, Vor was basically left out of all of this for such a long time it'd be nce to see him again. I think Alad V was cured, somewhat, still got a bit of infestation scar on his face
ik responding to 1 month old thread is not nice, but, in corrupted vor's speech (wich is way older than the second dream btw) he says "we cannot blame these creatures, they are lead by false prophet, who knows not the secrets of the void". The false prophet is natah, since she's a sentient, so she can't enter the void, the vor knew it all along, he may be very important in next quest
I think the man in the wall is similar to loki not the warframe but rather the norse god mischievous and a trickster but I believe that he hates sentients but can only show us stuff through riddles because either A he is being watched by a larger void creature or B just feels like talking in riddles. Let me know what you think.
Wait, who's the good guy? Who's the bad guy? We're fighting the sentients, but they only rebel because we denied them the right to exist...Are we the baddies?
I just hope they will replace Lotus transmissions now. She's not our space mum and she's never been. I wish we had someone new to lead us or at least the upgraded version of Ordis.
Why do I feel like the plan to eradicate all the Tenno kinda backfired when Natah stupidly helps us become completely OP?
When he said "she stole my perfect death" he simply meant that she couldn't even let him die in peace. And no, ballas cannot do tranferance you probably meant continuity but even that's highly unlikly cause it wasn't hinted at that he had any other perfect body to get in, and ballas being ballas he would leave it at the hands of the sentients to move him into another.
Scariest thing about this Prologue... Seeing Ballas with his Crotch area split. That shit is fucking terrifying.
Are we sure it's the Lotus looking through his eye and not her Mother? It felt like "her eye" was purposefully left vague and that either might be the 'eye'.
Didnt our tenno got called "kiddo" by our father in the war within quest? Maybe when he lost his mind along with the others he became a being of the void but unlike the tenno they dont have a physical form thats why the man in the wall takes the form of our tenno or operator.
I think the Man In The Wall wants to accelerate the war. He clearly has some motive. Would be kinda nice if we could do missions for him later on like a syndicate.
i may be alone in this but i dont think otus ever betrayed us. she keeps helping and protecting us. one of my points being why did she contact her mother instead of hunhow? i still feel that they will give us more clues till new war drop but we have to wait and see
I guess we'll all have to wait till the next chapter comes out and not losing ur shit when that man on the wall keeps jumpscaring you and your orbiter.
It would make sense why the man in the wall is an agent of chaos as you said in an earlier video if the void is a combinational timeline than chaos would breed greater uncertainties and lead to more events. Meaning the void gets bigger thanks to chaos.
I think The man in the wall is kinda like G-man from half life. Neither an ally nor an enemy. Sometimes helping and sometimes hindering us.
If I have to have one headcannon anything at this very moment it's Wallie is playing the devil kind of archetype. More or less what Ole Palps was in Star Wars. In my headcannon it's waaaay less string pulling and a lot more of "hey just so you know you could totally eat that apple to gain knowledge that god has denied you from" in this case playing this "Tempt you with power you've never known" while being the actual holder of said power. Almost like tiny suggestions to trick us into making a deal with him that won't be easy to break. In this scenario it could be like "you could totally win this new war but you will lose everything in doing so ooooor take this power to easily deal with it but you will have to serve my needs in future." That sorta thing. I can very much be waaaaaay off the mark but that is what I think.