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- Dan walks and talks around the new Porsche 718 Cayman S. Having experienced the 4-cylinder engine in the 718 Boxster we know quite a little about it and Dan tries to justify why you should buy one of these when he takes it down one of his favourite B-roads in North Yorkshire. Subscribe to PH TH-cam now:
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I recently picked up a 2018 base 718 Cayman. I will happily admit that I was wrong to dismiss these cars without giving them a proper test drive first. They are truly fantastic sports cars and much more friendly to daily because of how usable the powerband is. The 718 is fun ALL of the time while my old 987 was only at its best some of the time. I am a flat 4 convert and I love my 718 Cayman!
Drove a 718 Boxster S around the Porsche experience centre for an hour last year and the engine droned. Took one out last week on the road and was blown away at how good the thing was and now want a 718 Cayman. The engine is ideal for road use where you use full throttle only 10% of the time
i think it will be an individual decsion for each driver. Drive it for yourself, i think pragmatic drivers who want every day performance will choose this car, the cayman is now absurdly fast , that was the biggest knock in past but these days a 718S will be as quick as the exotic cayman GT4... i feel that most haters probably aren't in any position to purchase one anyway and of course there are tons of 987/986 and 981 under powered cayman/boxsters for those guys that this car will smoke pretty easily. instead of crying about the engine celebrate the fact that you can get a PORSCHE for 60K that does a sub 4.5 0-60 and can hang with vettes and high end mustangs...used to be to match a vette in performance you would have to pay a 40-150K premium in a porsche now that has changed signficantly..
Vikas it's like they say having power is one thing putting it down is another. My nephew has an A35s AMG, it's fast in a straight line, put it on a twisty road a 987 Boxster is faster. Handling is kinetic energy, engine is potential energy. I'm taking him to his first track day at Brands Hatch in June he will understand. 987 is not slow it can deliver it's full potential energy. A35s, A45, Audi TTRS, F Type, RS3, M140i these cars have power in the engine but can't put it down like Boxster/Cayman...
The four cylinder is better all round, makes the six hard work.
This chap is spot on.
A 4-cylinder Porsche? I suppose no none ever remembers the 914, 912, 944, 968, or 356....It's not like they decided to make a front wheel drive car with an Inline 5 cylinder engine. They've done This stuff before and frankly it's a better car than the 981. The noise is nowhere near as awesome as the flat-six was, but that alone doesn't disqualify an entire car! It's like saying "The new Audi RS6's V8 doesn't sound as nice as the old V10, therefore it must be a crappy car. You may sacrifice noise, but you gain power that's more usable, and a better chassis, steering rack, and overall better car.
Charles Earle porsche's version of 914 was 6-cylinder
@@user-fz4zi3sx4q So, What are you saying?
This is the most sensible review I have see/read on the subject. Most people have jumped on the bandwagon criticising the new Cayman 718S for it's lack of two cylinders. I would guess hardly, if any of them have actually driven one. I was in the market for a second hand Caiman GTS and was sure this was the car for me. Until I did a back to back test drive in the GTS and 718S. And what did I do? Ordered a brand new 718S for around the same price as a second hand GTS (really not my intention). Dan's comments are spot on about the better torque at low revs etc. When you put your foot down in the GTS PDK low in the rev band the car changes down a gear causing a delay in the acceleration and response, no such problem with 718S it is much quicker to respond without having change down a gear. There are many other improvements the 718 has over the GTS. I am not an expert, but I can tell if one car drives better than another and I made a qualified decision. A sports car is much more that the exhaust note. Please stop harping on about the lack of two cylinders the 718 is a better car....
More Cayman. More of the time. Exactly. Having a great sounding engine that you only really enjoy in one or two gears for three seconds is super frustrating. I love my four cylinder Cayman.
I drove the old and new back to back. Judge for yourself. The 718 won as an overall package for me. Still, ended up going for a 911.2, but that was more due to the 911 factor than the actual drive. The 718 is a great car.
Thanks for a fair assessment between that flat 4 and flat 6, there are pros and cons to both, which so many others fail to acknowledge
Thanks for the great video on a fair overall assessments on the 718 S. There are so many refinements on the rest of the car other than the new turbo 4 that most Porsche fans fixate on. After doing a lot of research my choices are narrowing down to the new 718 S, or a lightly used, or new (if I am lucky) GT4. 718 S comes very close to the performance of the GT4 on track. And for a modestly optioned 718 S is about $23,000 cheaper than the cheapest pre-owned GT4 on the market.
I love people that comment on cars from listening to them through computer speakers and following "purist" comments.
The new cars are awesome. Performance wise, they knock the socks off the 981 cars. Even at sensible (ish) speeds, you can tell the difference between the S and non S cars and they are both much more useable than the outgoing models. Having test driven both 718s (albeit Boxsters) as the Cayman is not available for customer demos, they also sound great in the flesh. Even without the sports exhaust they pop and crackle on the overrun which just makes you giggle like a schoolboy which is the whole point of these cars. Don't get me wrong, I'd love a 991 GT3 RS, but they are out of reach for 95% of consumers due to price and exclusivity.
Anyway - 718 Cayman S order placed with PDK and sports exhaust. Try one - you might like it........ Roll on October for delivery........hopefully!!
Very well done & said. That finally represents the absolute truth of the new car- More Cayman, more of the time. On paper, it's lighter, smaller & better placed for mid engine feel, more power under the curve compared to the former 6, bladdy, bladdy... But, at the end of the day- you are driving a FAR BETTER Car than before. Less compromises for better all the time. Yes, the sound is gone, but, it's replaced with a better technical car, one that does more, and, more often, more easily... I bet side by side- the differences are more than a little noticeable- I bet they are yards apart. Sunday AM's will be even more gratifying I sense... Thank you for saying the unspeakable. Oh, and, yes- at $50k pounds- it's a good deal, at $70k- not as much. It's not rare, it's not unusual, it's not unobtainium- it's a Cayman S, and 50-55k is plenty for the privilege.
Great video. I do understand why there is a Problem with 4 Cylinders. Many of the worlds greatest cars of all time have 4 Cylinder or would you complain about the engine from a Porsche 356, 904 GT, 919 Hybrid, Imprezza STI and of course the by far most powerful F1 cars like the BMW M12 with 1400HP.
This’s a great review. Enough detail to give an informed purchase decision.
It's amazing how fast the smaller turbo engine has assimilated the entire European performance car market, for better or worse. I'm guess I'm just old school, but I really never plan on parting with my e92 M3 or GT4 with their wonderful N/A engines and manual transmissions.
Lucky guy :-)
Great review. I agree and that’s why my 718 GTS is on order!
The engine at 75000 rpm sounded pretty good!
75k rpm😂😂
@@jackfreeserver1565 A type-o. We all know what he meant.
thanks for the review
great point made that the new engine makes you enjoy the car's abilities more of the time, but i'm still a big fan of that 3.4. love this format btw!
You really need to hear the 718 S and GTS in the flesh. Personally I love the beat of the 4-cylinder. It kind of sounds more mechanical and reminds me of the older air cooled cars. The revving sounds good and the engine makes great sounds on the top end, with all the pops and crackles on the overruns.
The PORSCHE purists will always complain that’s it’s not as good as the old car. They cried when the 911 went from air cooled to liquid cooled. Then they complained again when the 991.2 went from naturally aspirated to turbos. It’s time to get over it. PORSCHE is an innovative auto maker and this is progress. Go out and drive the new 718 S. It’s what the 911 was 10 years ago. A smaller and lighter weight sports car with a wonderful mid-engine chassis. The new 911 has become a larger GT and while it’s still an amazing car, it’s not the sports car it was years ago.
Kudos for an excellent and well balanced review.
Thanks for this clear, un-fussy and insightful review
great review ... loved it
Great objective review. Thanks!
Excellent review. Most objective I have seen. I have one on order with PDK.
James Suttie how is it?
Sounds crap.
@@MagicAyrtonforever Hater
The previous Cayman S 981 with the PDK and paddle shifters you can drop into a lower gear fast and seamlessly making overtaking other cars a breeze plus the flat 6 sings it's beautiful song. The old Cayman was less power but this is a case of less is more. Add PASM with 19"wheels and it feels perfect. IMHO.
Dan, a great reviewer of cars 👍🏻
Great review, speaks a lot of sense. just need to get some more cameras going with some more views from outside etc.
Everytime I start to think, this is an alright car, I go back to watching videos of six cylinder Porsche to make myself clear four cylinders are not alright in this and the six just sound sooo good.
Great video. I reckon i am sticking with my cayman GTS. Dare i ask where that road was? thanks.
He's right my 991.1 base 911 had to be hammered to pass quickly and it was kind of embarrassing at times actually. My macan S is way easier and faster w the cobb tune. A cayman would be a blast. Next car 👍
Balanced review, thanks. I'm still on the fence because in my 10 year old Cayman S, I do exactly what you said...I get up early to just drive it. With the windows down. Emissions marketing crap aside, this car should be treated as a modern Porsche sports car and judged accordingly. It will sell to new owners, but Porsche's hardest task will be getting existing Cayman drivers out of their cars and into this.
I have a 2006 Cayman S in Arctic Silver.. Would never part with it for this.. Despite everything.
I have a red 2006 Cayman S and I totally agree. I dont see the reason to buy any other Cayman
MrWozzathelad
Spot on. Got a 10-year old Cayman S and fitted a Carnewal GT exhaust and Carnewal 200-cell Sports cats in the manifolds which sounds demonic!
Once I got more money I'll be fitting GT3 throttle bodies, IPD plenum and an Ecu remap which should be good for around 340bhp.
Good work Cem!. I too have the Carnewal on mine. No other Cayman exhaust can touch it. At big throttle it sounds like a 1970's racing 911. Even the stock exhaust is a tough thing for Porsche to match on these new cars.
All of you--the 718 Cayman S PDK is a true supercar, and it easily challenges the 911 carrera. This new car has phenomenal acceleration from 0-60 mph, which was documented in Car & Driver's instrumentation testing at 3.6 seconds. The car tops off at 178 mph. Handling? Unbelievable and true to the reputation of the Cayman. Sound? Love it--deeply growls at lower rpm and whales as you climb in rpm to redline. Purists--get over it. The world is going turbo, and this new 718 S Turbo is true Porsche through and through. Rank: Car & Driver have made the new 718 Cayman S number one on their list of 12 competitors. The 718 S Boxster is number two, the Corvette three, Audi TT RS four, Lotus Evora 400 five, the Jaguar F-type six, etc. Price? Around six digits in US currency with state tax at around 6%. Value? Exceptional--buy it is you can find the bucks/pounds.
981s 3.4 six is better
How can it be better if it is much slower, and lack low end torque substantially?
lol!
The Porsche Cayman is all about the driving experience.. Not about matching the 911 in peformance.. I'd rather it sounded like a proper Porsche ie 6 cylinder B6
Al Rome you forgot to qualify your opinion with any facts
is there an option for cayman to be 4 wheel drive ?
my best car
I don't see the issue in the old engine's lack of low-end torque, really. If you need maximum performance, you just downshift into second or third gear, floor it and off you go. In PDK cars this is a non issue entirely, you literally just have to put your foot down and you'll get the most out of it.
Another View yet the 718 s is faster around tracks all over than the GT4
The old six is noisy and hard work and makes the car feel faster than it is. The 718 is the opposite. It effortless.
2000 rpm @ 80 instead of 3,100.
And the handling is much better.
I upgraded.
Quicker? Yes. Do I care? No, I'm enjoying my old one in ways the new car can't deliver.
Where can I get a t-shirt like the one you're wearing?
are you sure the middle section of the rear illuminates at night? I've never seen a video or any pictures like that so far.
minibus1351 good question as i haven’t either. Can someone verify this?
How does it compare to an M4 and to an M2? considering the 718 as my daily, right now I drive an M4 but also considering M2 next
***** M240i is the next thing on the block although I would still take the M2 because DCT and looks
it beat the m2 around the track pretty easily the m4 is a great practical car but that truly sounds terrible, great cars the bimmers but they don't compare to the porsche in performance, the 718 sounds decent for a performance car IMHO car but below average for a porsche, the m4 just sounds bad.....i say get the 718 and an old SUV/Van when you need to carry stuff/people...
Cool
I bought a red 2017 Corvette 1LT manual transmission with performance exhaust, black
wheels, red calipers, red seats, carbon badge package.
Why? Because base Porsche Cayman ride was too stiff for me, no targa top (I didn't want the convertible's expense and replacement in a few years), not as much acceleration for the same $55k price, too low ground clearance for everyday use on public roads and shopping centers. I have no plans to track it.
this with the gt3 wheels should look awesome
In my opinion is that we have lost to much, the 981 will hp down as the best boxters and caymans. you sight, More performance, but that's more than people will ever access or fill the difference on a winding road. That being the case then emotions become the real difference maker in what to buy. Few owners take it to the track most don't so the flat 6 is the biggest selling point. Than God i got it before this 4 cylinder travesty happened to the car. sad :'(
If they wanted accessibility; what's wrong with a 2000cc turbo flat six? Think I'll stick with my GT3 a while longer..
"The old engine had a lack of flexibility." That's what the transmission is for. Downshift. It's fun. All the jornos complained that the gearing on the 981 was too long. Well overtaking is an opportunity to shift. So change the gear and enjoy. Silly.
He's trying to say that the last gen flat 6 wasn't punchy enough to pass traffic? Is he crazy? I know the new engine is even better, but the flat 6 had plenty of power in a pinch & sounded so much better. Yes, character & sound is a huge part of the driving experience for me. I'm keeping my 981, thank you.
They could have easily fitted a detuned version of the 991.2 turbocharged flat six.
This would have been a concession to co2 and turbocharging that most would more readily accept ... alas ...
Make no mistake. The boxster/cayman is their volume product. They did this so they can get their fleet average co2 down and continue selling fat twin turbo v8 cayennes and panameras.
You sir are bang on the money about fleet averages I think. To the other viewers, take a look here and make up your own mind ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/transport/vehicles/cars/index_en.htm
detaart
They claim a turbo charged flat 6 would have not fitted in the Cayman's engine bay. This from the same company who has spent the last 40+ years refining the art of putting the engine in the wrong place.
Furthermore, they could have kept things really simple and cynical and go full Aston Martin and release some shitty Smartcar variant to help bring down the emissions average across the range.
This is also the same company who cheated on emissions ...
The smart car thing would not work for porsche. It would not sell and provide any volume for them to offset the larger cars.
As far as the "will it fit" argument goes ... We are talking mere centimeters. They could have made it fit ...
"a little more bite to the steering.." well if you just selected sport mode like you should have then that wouldn't be an issue now would it?
That has no direct effect on the car's steering; changes throttle response, PDK shift patterns if so equipped, adds rev-matching on downshifts on a manual, and stiffens up the PASM damping, if so equipped.
Up next: 2018 Porsche Prius featuring a 1.2 Liter flat 2. It gets 400 mpg and your washing machine makes more noise than it can lol
How silly. Most real car enthusiasts care far more about performance than engine sound, I certainly do. In any case, this 2.5 sounds fantastic to me!
+D LG take a look at the resale values of air cooled porsches and then look at your statement again.
+darkpill
I honestly have no idea what point you're trying to make. Resale values are irrelevant, as there's a sucker around every corner who's willing to overpay based on hype.
Get over it. The 718 Cayman S PDK turbo is a strong player in the Porsche suite of cars--like it or not. It's now officially quick at 3.6 0-60, and it's handling remains exceptional. It now has the 10%+ steering from the Turbo. That combined with its exceptional balance has propelled it one of the best mid-engine cars in the world at any price. Sound--I love it!
Perfect sport car
If they could make it sound like the old 718 race car, or the current 919, then it'd be amazing instead of just great.
I really wanted to watch but I couldn't get past your voice bouncing from side to side as you moved your head and your (stereo) mic varied the left/right volume significantly. I'm probably weird and overly sensitive...
i think a mildly turbocharged 2.7L 6cyl would have been a better bet
Gerry Khurl packaging
There seems to be a whole lot of annoying group think going on concerning Porsche's new turbo 4's sound. Personally, I think it sounds great. It's a ridiculous thing to get hung up on, considering the new car outperforms the previous model in every meaningful way. Come back to reality folks, and realize that the new Cayman is better than ever!
Damn it’s sexy and I like how it sounds...stop being snobs guys, see it for what it is and not compare it to something else
Sounds like your big end has gone, oh wait that's the exhaust note!
The cayman was getting too close to the 911. They had to do something to screw it up.
Hope I will be suprised🙂👍
Yau Ming Chiang were you?
Sad! The engine and exhaust sound is horrible compared to the flat six models. Ruined the perfect car!
It is pronounced Porscher
What a stirring endorsement. "Give it a chance...". I drove both an auto s and a manual gts 2.5. Nice cars and fast. $90k worth? Not even close id rather buy a $30k S2000 than one of these.
spec it out to 70K and it's your own damn fault. Almost all of what makes the car great is in there, stock; exercise a little discipline when it comes to the options list and give it enough thought; you'll come away with a great car at a price that's a lot more palatable.
Sounds like my Golf. boo.
Sounds truly dreadful.
Lets hope nobody buys it and Porsche are forced into developing and fitting small displacement flat 6 turbo motors.
Lear how to pronounce Porsche
sounds like a '62 VW van with a knackered muffler.
Great style, efficiency and speed but no charisma.
Flat six ftw! You gotta be brainless to spend more than 60k $ on a 4 cylinder car.
They made the car worse looking in and out , and sound awful... In real life, a normal driver wont even access the increase in performance. 981 gen all the way.
I fully agree. And the supposed decrease in fuel consumption just is not there based on the road tests so it makes the new engine even a bigger letdown.
To be honest, the turbos in fact make the performance more accessible. Whether it's a good thing or not is another argument..
I do understand that. I just wonder how much more accessible performance one has to have if we are talking about a lightweight sportscar. Over 3 litre NA engine sounds plenty to me. If not, Cayman/Boxster is not a car for you.
100%... made it worse looking ... why Porsche? Why???
It's not about fuel consumption, it's about emissions.
Sounds so incredibly lame!! Compare it to the six and it is just crap. The guy is just rambling and trying to justify the change but he doesn't convince.
Ive had lucky to have two 981's , incl gts, 4 cil sounds silly, look at audi with their 5 cil, no more boxster or cayman for me, by by porsche.....
The old flat six is a beautiful woman who’s awesome in bed, has a great personality, and cooks well, but she’s not quite a supermodel , vs the 718 who’s a super model who’s not that great in bed, is boring and can’t cook at all. Yes she’s wonderful to look at but you wouldn’t put a ring on her.
Jim C About the worst analogy ever Jim. So you claim the flat six Cayman has one flaw (not a supermodel), and the 718 has three flaws (not great in bed, boring and can’t cook) when in actuality the 718 is only deficient in sound and better in all other areas (acceleration, braking, track times, technology & appearance.... although the last item is subjective). Randy Probst who knows more about performance cars than you or I will ever know says something quite different about the 718. "Marry the 718" th-cam.com/video/oYRWMhCly9w/w-d-xo.html
This video would have been much better in 1080p and with camera views of the road (like the near subliminal flashes of it we saw) and the reviewers commentary. Watching this guy bounce up and down talking about the car wont happen again for me. The fact that I watched it at all shows how desperate I am to see videos of this ugly new Cayman.
sorry, but I'm going to buy the old GTS. The new 718 cayman sounds awful
Alberto Redaelli will you still feel that way when the 718 s blows by your GTS?