Everyone has their own idea of what would be the most interesting or viable team comp in upcoming stages. With the current meta being what fans consider "overplayed" and boring to watch, what do you think the league should do to get rid of GOATS?
I don't think they can get rid of GOATS. It's a permanent addition as long as Brig is strong imo. What would be nice is an incentive to play DPS, like bonus points to your score for playing a DPS for every round. Because honestly 6 DPS vs 6 DPS is way better than two 3-3s bashing each other for 60 minutes
I don't think the league would make any drastic change to their structure as it would be too risky. I think that further nerfs to the key heroes will eventually open opportunities to play different comps.
@@zandromex8985 at least it required plays to happen. A really good Miro tesla cannon usage. Talespin and chipsajin pharmercy combo. Sick surefour soldier/mccree hitscan aim. Ryujehong playing Ana while his team goes ham across the map. Taimo playing roadhog. The dive meta had counters on defense. It had to have sick genji or tracer player to work. Now, it's just pressing w and using q better wins you fights, everyone plays the same heroes. No body is unique and makes you go "if this player pops off, they win this map" Blizzards needs to know that crippling every hero to be balanced, would just make the meta shift towards the abilities that work together. Zarya+rien was always a good combo, but Zarya worked in dive too, or a rush down comb paired with hanzo and roadhog. Nerfing more than buffing stifles the creativity and options they can take. Hunters proved that the game has enough diversity for other than goats strategy to be viable, if just Blizzards didn't like cc so much and Nerfing everything to the ground. Name 3 characters beside Torb, sym, and diva that used to be wewker in previous patches but now they are stronger now. Teamwork became too strong in this game imo. No counter play whatsoever. I remember the riverly between C9(with rever and Adam) and envyus(with talespin and internet hulk RIP). That mechanical play was insane. We go close to that in Apex season 2 with luminous high. We're never getting that excitement again exempting from widowmaker plays. It's all bunker comb and goats pressing w and q and steam rolling the other team because they've got better timings on hitting their abilities in the first fight. Kept watching all of these games, and I can't remember them as well as I remember overwatch 2016. Don't tell me that shit was boring compared to this crap that no body bother complaining about cause they moved on. The numbers tell. This game outside of esports is going downhill.
@@ayylmao539 What I said has nothing to do with that. I just said that no matter the meta, the community claimed the game to be boring. And always said the previous meta was better
Bear it would be better if it was xernes(the opposite of yveltal) but it does make sense xernes while healing and yvetal for battle mercy if needed but it’s awesome either way
it doesnt matter when they win or lose. what matters is that the Hunters are playing their own game, not being tied down to GOATS or forced to play it.. that is why we love them. no matter who they face, we will all cheer them on, becuase they are the ones who are protesting GOATS at the moment. even if they face my favorite team of all time, i find myself rooting for the quad dps playing Hunters!
I mean like... This team went face to face with Vancouver and went to a map 5...WITH GOATS, these guys are insane, there's so many things to talk about these guys as they're legit so strong with anything
Small reminder: Hunter's coach is the coach of 2018 OWWC Team China, which destroyed coach Jayne and his Team Canada, ended up the 2nd place. Leave, who was the flex player in the startup of team CN, will turn 18 at the end of this year and very likely to join the Hunters.
@@Akshonesports Can't say, all I can say is Hunter's coach is more or less a genius with unique understanding of tactics and strategies. The good thing is that the boys would have competed in the league for quite some time then, while Team China would draw much more attention from other teams compared to last year. As for the 2nd question, I have to admit that I miss the 1st year after ow came out. Quite a few talented players left especially after Blizzard restricted 3rd-party-held championships. There are so many names that comes to me, so I just gonna mention the one that impressed me most. XDD, now a PUBG pro of RNG club, was as good a flex as, if not better than Leave imo. He hit rank #1 in 2 continuous competitive seasons on CN server, won 1v1 solo cup champion where lots of pros and streamers participated. After he shifted to PUBG pro he earned 2 rewards for killing the MOST out of 2 offline competitions. What's special about him is that he somehow managed to aim very well with a much higher sensitivity compared to average pros(like 2.5x faster or even more, he often does a smooth 360 within one swing of wrist when he streams). This has enabled him to do some crazy moves such as dragshots over half of a screen, genji's 270 degree ghost dash... So back to the question, Leave and XDD being the double flex is the dream roaster I'm so hyped to see, they could literally fit in any comp. Sadly it's unlikely to happen.
This is why I love the Chengdu Hunters. They don't follow the meta and bring back old or new comps to the scene proving that you don't need GOATS to win. just a really good strat
I think people will get bored of any meta if its goes on too long, GOATS has been meta for quite some time now so I think people are just happy to see a new style of Overwatch being played at a high level. I like the DPS comps but I dont hate seeing GOATS played at a very high level.
Well their rein/winston main Jiqiren isnt here in stage 1 and 2, so they are forced to play multi-dps comps due to unable to play 303 (even if ameng can play rein he still lacks experience). Now that jiqiren is here chengdu may try going 303 full time as they can now.
ckfeliz well, I think that they can play a good 3-3 if they want to, the team just need to practice. After the chengdu x Vancouver titans game, bumper give a interview were he said that ameng's reinhart was outplaying his own Reinhart. The team just have to practice the focus on the peel for ameng if they want to go 3-3
@@balamomontages Do you think they'll put jiqren on rein and start playing GOATS comps in Stage 3? What do you want to see them play in the upcoming stages?
Akshon Esports well, I personally am a dive tank main, so i would like to see some sort of new dive coming, but the new ptr make's dive a lot weaker, the McCree buff and the ridiculous dva nerf makes at least improbable of we seeing five coming back, so I would like to see some sort off bunker vs disrupt meta. In my opinion the high potential disrupt meta was very omitted when the 3-3 came, so I would like to see it come back and show its real potential
OK,I'm Chinese and I'm a hardcore Chengdu fan.I want to tell something some of you guys probably don't know. I typed these words with my phone 1.Jiqiren' rein is no doubt the best in China, winston normal, sucks at ball and orisa. More like a rein one trick. He's struggled a lot at visa problem, Chinese audience are really super highly expecting his visa could be solved. Jiqiren himself desperately want it too. And it was solved a few days ago. He will liberate lateyoung from bench, Jiqiren and lateyoung were the best coordinated tanks in China, two boys are really good friends, and they are so funny when they streaming together. 2.Chengdu's headcoach RUI, he's the most respectful figure in cn ow, he has a really active brain never stubborn, nickname as "highly skilled doctor". Some of you may noticed the fight of MY vs Lunatic-hai, MY almost beat Lunatic Hai but why? OK, it's beacause lateyoung desperately wanted to pee after two matches, he drunk too much water, so he called a pause, but Koreans said they can only pause once, and when RUI wanted to call a pause when score 2-2（MY players were crashed by LH mentally and started to play like throwing） and being told he can't ,it's already used once. Otherwise I bet MY would beat LH 3-2 with my fcking head. RUI is really really an amazing coach, he was a LOL pro when he was younger, he also insisted team China should play symmetra when owwc2018. 3.Ameng wasn't famous at all before owls2 in China, elsa,kyo,yvetal hard carried ever match with steady performance, but they are not as famous as jinmu and ameng. 4.Leave will be 18 when oct 2019, and he's living in chengdu LA base right now, Leave and RUI trusted each other very much, you can see Leave as a clown Fleta with deep hero pool, I think leave will be very likely go to CDH in s3, and there were some rumors said he will go to GZcharge. 5.I'm a little tired, maybe update when I have time
At 6:41ish you try to break down how “their triple dps play is dangerous” when they’re running two dps. Great attention to detail there. Top tier analysis really 4head
As a shanghai supporter ever since i got into then owl i love dps comps and the hunters exel at that Its those chinese sides that are showing flexibility unlike the rest. Really only those two but ive seen others try it. Love to see it and love seeing it bulldoze goats
The Hunters are just doing Overwatch right, they aren't just playing random comps, they are picking the comp that best works for 'their' playstyle. They don't bind themselves to Goats like nearly every other team does, and they dont play the mentality of (okay we took point one with dps heroes, we have 2-3 ults ready to go, lets all swap to goats and reset our ult percentage!) like other teams do. They'll run goats if they must, but its not their default strat, its their 'if nothing else works then lets go goats' playbook and they have a ton of plays to prove that they dont need goats
they remind me of the old rogue roster, when triple tank was the meta. Hopefully they'll cause the meta to shift from goats to the more dps oriented comps
They're consistent; look at how constantly they're putting out damage, and how efficiently they switch off to make new plays to avoid being read. Adaptability is a powerful trait, and the Hunters have it to spare.
".....thrill and adventure...." Yup, that's just what it is. I tell ya, seeing Chengdu roll out everytime with Ameng leading the charge almost bring tears to my eyes. "The valiant and brave pioneers on a quest". Sounds good doesn't it? Because that's simply the truth! Coming in with really low expectations, to defying the meta and being just another team not named "San Francisco Shock" nor "Vancouver Titans", to actually winning big matches on their way to nearly scratching the playoff cut. Win or lose, Chengdu guarantees fun every single damn time they are playing. Similar to last season as to how NYXL basically has a roster full of rock stars, Chengdu basically also has the same thing now. My 3 favourite players in Chengdu are Ameng, Jinmu, and probably Elsa. But the rest of the team are also real close too! Seeing Baconjack and YangXiaoLong on mostly hitscan really invigorates the heart while seeing Yveltal and Kyo do their jobs nicely invigorates the soul. Can't wait to see how Chengdu will wow us in the next stages.
Akshon Esports Well that’ll be NYXL, Shock, Dynasty, Spark, Spitfire and the Titans. Not in that order. It’ll be really nice to see more awesome and dynamic plays...
What I like with Dps comp is that you'll never know how a team fight can change and end. With goats, it overall always the same song: one pick on the enemy team then snowball effect. Occasionally, a D.Va bomb can result on a clutch. But with Dps, anything can happen: A well placed Barrage, successful Nano Blade etc... even a single damn trap !
In the Hunters' composition? Because normally Philly might lose out. Despite being far superior at pre-GOATS traditional compositions they refuse to get off GOATS for more than a moment. I was tilted when EQO got off Pharah on Paris during Week 1. Anyhoo, if its mirror I don't think so, off-meta possible but not mirror. Ameng is too damn good at ball and Philly doesn't use Snillo for the life of them so only 2 DPS (Poko Sombra isn't there yet) with the starting line up.
Yeah I like the hunters Bc they don’t really ply goats they have dps which constantly switch they’re so flexible that it makes it harder for the other teams to try and find a a solid comp against them
Okay honestly, I think Phil. Fusion could pull off the dps because they have carpe, a god Widowmaker. They could prob. start doing single dps, then progress to multi-dps as they get more comfortable because dps is always fun to see.
As long as they remain committed to their teamwork and synergy, they can run anything they want. Whether in Stage 3 or 4, eventually Goats is going to run out, and no team is More Practiced on DPS based comps than the Hunters. They know it best, and can run it the best.
TBH I think the LA Gladiators would benefit from this style mainly because of surefour and hydration but mainly surefour because he showed a distinct ability to play sombra
I don't think it's strange that 3-dps comps have risen with 3-3 reigning supreme lately. It actually makes a lot of sense if you think about goats' weaknesses. They're a short-range 'shell' brawling comp that hits like a battering ram. So naturally the counter is long-range suppressing fire and physically breaking up their shell. So heroes like torb, hammond, sombra, mei and many others really excel at helping to create space on a point and whittling down the goats 'shell' until it cracks. I've never understood the hatred of certain comps, it's clever tactics where the goal is to win by any means necessary. Goats still has my full support as a fun, unbreakable and powerful comp that's here to stay.
The hatred of certain comps likely stems from people's negative experience with them. They see/ hear about pros playing goats and think "that's what works, so we should play it too," and ignore anyone who thinks there are heroes outside the meta. Torb is a very hit or miss hero, depending on one's understanding of how he can be used as more than just a throw pick. Any hero that's not considered meta is easiest to blame if the team isn't doing well. But I agree, there are interesting comps that should theoretically be able to give GOATS a run for its money, so long as others in the ladder are open-minded about it and willing to work together for the sake of winning~ -Nessa
@@Akshonesports Agreed completely. Personally I hate most DPS comps with a passion simply because they're squishy heroes. I can't stand the idea of having them move such a far distance from me and then die because I wasn't able to reach and help them in time. DPS are just too squishy for me to be comfortable playing with, plain and simple. As a healer main sometimes I feel like I'm worthless because I can't reach my DPS in time and the enemy is putting out more damage than I can heal, so what am I supposed to do? It's made me lose enough matches and cause enough headaches to where I simply refuse to play without GOATS. Like it doesn't matter to me anymore, I'm not taking the risk. I cannot deal with having my team spread out and getting picked one by one, I much prefer a tight shell that hits like a battering ram.
Omg the way this guy is talking is so funny. At the beginning of the sentence he is talking the same voice every time and then he ends in the funniest way ever LMAO
I mean I'm English so I guess dps style comps would be good coz then the spitfire would be alot better. Also I'm a dps main (like so many others) so i want to see my favourite characters being played at the highest level
the thing with the hunter is that apart from yveltal they don’t have the best players from china. even then they would have probably played goats if jiqiren (their rein player) wasn’t stuck in china with visa issues. they found a niche for themselves mostly to survive without their rein and became popular for it but when all teams switch to a more dps heavy play style they won’t be near the top because right now they’re only there because they’re the only ones playing dps
Yeah I see what you mean I wish Guxue (or however you spell his name from Spark) was on the Hunters roster and heck, even all the other Chinese players in the league currently.
every owl team/player has said "Chengdu can play dps and do well because they are all amazing dps players" so idk why you think they wont do well after goats
fukutada For season 3 with a lot of the best Chinese talent turning 18 we could potentially see 2 Chinese super teams. Chengdu and if Hangzhou decide to ditch their Korean players them as well. Especially considering how good both Hangzhou and Chengdu academy are most can just promote a few from those teams. Considering how Hangzhou took a big risk scouting the low teams in Korea and it back fired we could see a Chinese takeover on that team.
distraxts Because the DPS on that team aren’t as good as other Chinese players? Just look at their team Jinmu while he has good mechanics lacks any discipline and always ends up dying chasing kills he shouldn’t, Baconjack just came back from a year plus break of not playing Overwatch and YangXiaoLong had a similar long break to Baconjack. All these guys are not the best in China, aren’t as good as their counterparts in OWL and on top of that are playing catch-up in experience. If all the teams played DPS they wouldn’t look as good. Even Ameng isn’t that great of a Hamster. Fissure, Mano, Rio, Guxue all have better Hamsters.
Obviously Shock would be the best. How do you stand up to a dps lineup of Striker, Architect, and Rascal? No team can match that. Has to be at least half a million bucks for that trio. I mean just imagine having to play against the old school rogue triple dps style with Super on Winston, Moth on Lucio, Viol2t on Zen, Striker on Tracer, Rascal on projectile, and architect on hitscan. I would bet my life that just the dps players from shock could absolutely destroy a full team of plats. Those guys are insane. If they picked up Profit and Libero I think Crusty would have to question whether you actually need tanks and healers in Overwatch.
I think the NYXL will be better but not in this season The have Sbb pine jjonak nenne flower and libro I think they need a fresh start next season to really shine
Because people with actual communication skills, an understanding of how their hero affects the game and their teammates, a desire to win, is all that you need to run a Multi DPS comp. I tell people all the time, there’s nothing wrong with MultiDPS, on the surface level. Preferably I’d run Soldier, Sombra, Widow, Hanzo, Pharah, and Junk, for long range, high damage. People in lower elos just are selfish when it comes to these sort of comps because “everyone is going to carry” when it’s really just about doing your fucking job consistently, thereby helping your other teammates capitalize.
Akshon Esports adapt. Pharah and Junk just need to break through all of the shielding, while Sombra harasses backline and snipers key in on targets. On paper it works. And if they do then that’s ok but they would then need to execute and counter all the different distractions. EMP/Tire would be enough to get at least 2 people.
@@rileythewolf8960 Very interesting concept. Would love to see something that bizarre played in OWL, even if only for a few seconds, aha. What team would you like to see play this the most?
Akshon Esports my team is Reign, though I’d say a team like Shock, Hunters, or Fuel would be exciting to watch run a comp like this. This is the first season where I’ve been invested with OWL and I’m hoping they move away from GOATs, Bunker, for more high damage/spread comps.
Everyone has their own idea of what would be the most interesting or viable team comp in upcoming stages. With the current meta being what fans consider "overplayed" and boring to watch, what do you think the league should do to get rid of GOATS?
I don't think they can get rid of GOATS. It's a permanent addition as long as Brig is strong imo. What would be nice is an incentive to play DPS, like bonus points to your score for playing a DPS for every round. Because honestly 6 DPS vs 6 DPS is way better than two 3-3s bashing each other for 60 minutes
they should add stormquake as a team even though they dont exist anymore but these guys were hella creative
redo Brigt, so simple but Geoff just can't admit it
I don't think the league would make any drastic change to their structure as it would be too risky. I think that further nerfs to the key heroes will eventually open opportunities to play different comps.
@Nathan Yakich
Or they could force 2-2-2
Community: Why do hunters play so random comps?
Me: They ain’t playing random comps... they’re just not playing Goats
No, they just playing OverWatch
Wow... The community got so used to goats they forgot when overwatch was exciting to watch.
@@ayylmao539 You do know that when the meta was dive everyone said that OW was borin got watch right?
@@zandromex8985 at least it required plays to happen. A really good Miro tesla cannon usage. Talespin and chipsajin pharmercy combo. Sick surefour soldier/mccree hitscan aim. Ryujehong playing Ana while his team goes ham across the map. Taimo playing roadhog. The dive meta had counters on defense. It had to have sick genji or tracer player to work. Now, it's just pressing w and using q better wins you fights, everyone plays the same heroes. No body is unique and makes you go "if this player pops off, they win this map"
Blizzards needs to know that crippling every hero to be balanced, would just make the meta shift towards the abilities that work together. Zarya+rien was always a good combo, but Zarya worked in dive too, or a rush down comb paired with hanzo and roadhog. Nerfing more than buffing stifles the creativity and options they can take. Hunters proved that the game has enough diversity for other than goats strategy to be viable, if just Blizzards didn't like cc so much and Nerfing everything to the ground. Name 3 characters beside Torb, sym, and diva that used to be wewker in previous patches but now they are stronger now. Teamwork became too strong in this game imo. No counter play whatsoever.
I remember the riverly between C9(with rever and Adam) and envyus(with talespin and internet hulk RIP). That mechanical play was insane. We go close to that in Apex season 2 with luminous high. We're never getting that excitement again exempting from widowmaker plays. It's all bunker comb and goats pressing w and q and steam rolling the other team because they've got better timings on hitting their abilities in the first fight. Kept watching all of these games, and I can't remember them as well as I remember overwatch 2016. Don't tell me that shit was boring compared to this crap that no body bother complaining about cause they moved on. The numbers tell. This game outside of esports is going downhill.
@@ayylmao539 What I said has nothing to do with that. I just said that no matter the meta, the community claimed the game to be boring. And always said the previous meta was better
They don't overuse goats, I'll give them that. Thry really are a unique team.
Now explain "Clockwork Vedetta comp"
Are there any good vids of their most recent games on youtube. I looked a few days ago and only found a review.
We may or may not have something in the works~
Its EU Power
Akshon Esports
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holy crap akshon really explained that comp
The thing that sets the hunters apart from all teams is that they have Elsa from Frozen and a Pokémon
thadex and a RWBY character too.
the best pokemon fom all series*
@Oliver Action Yveltal, on Pokemon X&Y he is the oblivion pokemon, the embodiment of death and destruction
Bear it would be better if it was xernes(the opposite of yveltal) but it does make sense xernes while healing and yvetal for battle mercy if needed but it’s awesome either way
@@bear7289 They just gotta catch another pokemon
Chengdu Hunter is a must see team in OWL aside from Shanghai Dragons. They're so fun to watch ❤
It is a must see team!
Been a Chengdu fan since Day 1 of this season, glad they are getting some recognition for pushing the boundaries of Overwatch
Also, this is a far cry from the preseason predictions you gave too :P
@@WeArePharmers Our predictions were off, but we are hoping to see the teams get shuffled on the leaderboard in upcoming stages~
Not #1 in the ladder , but number 1 in entertainment and fan's heart
When bronze players all play dps:
ItS a StRaTeGy
It’s called sixtuple dps it carried xXGenjiPro42069Xx and his team through many battles
it doesnt matter when they win or lose. what matters is that the Hunters are playing their own game, not being tied down to GOATS or forced to play it.. that is why we love them. no matter who they face, we will all cheer them on, becuase they are the ones who are protesting GOATS at the moment. even if they face my favorite team of all time, i find myself rooting for the quad dps playing Hunters!
They are just allergic to Goats
Would you say that's a bad thing? =)
Akshon Esports hell no I’m just hoping it spreads
We're hoping to see new things from other teams as well!
It would be more fair to say Ameng is allergic to Winston
@@inzane0ne I can say that I have a higher win rate on Winston than a pro main tank
Love it, akshon! Keep up the great content
Thank you for your support!
It's hard to imagine someone not supporting Akshon Esports
I mean like... This team went face to face with Vancouver and went to a map 5...WITH GOATS, these guys are insane, there's so many things to talk about these guys as they're legit so strong with anything
Remember they were placed at the bottom of most power rankings before the season started?
We're glad to say they've pleasantly surprised us in many ways! Where would you rank them for Stage 3?
@@Akshonesports probably still middle of the pack unless they keeps nerfing goats. But as a fan I'm still happy about that~
Awesome! We're excited to see what changes they implement to the upcoming stages
Getting loved by fans is huge on its own. Also compared to people's expectation of hunters somewhere of the trafic light trio, they did fantastically.
LegIsLate who are the trio?
Shanghai Hunters and Valiant?
@@thadex454 Washington, mayhem and valiant (red, orange, green)
@@lidyarivai4685 green is for outlaws
Small reminder: Hunter's coach is the coach of 2018 OWWC Team China, which destroyed coach Jayne and his Team Canada, ended up the 2nd place. Leave, who was the flex player in the startup of team CN, will turn 18 at the end of this year and very likely to join the Hunters.
Can't wait for Leave to join the Hunters..
Do you think China will win OWWC this year? What's your dream roster?
@@Akshonesports Can't say, all I can say is Hunter's coach is more or less a genius with unique understanding of tactics and strategies. The good thing is that the boys would have competed in the league for quite some time then, while Team China would draw much more attention from other teams compared to last year. As for the 2nd question, I have to admit that I miss the 1st year after ow came out. Quite a few talented players left especially after Blizzard restricted 3rd-party-held championships. There are so many names that comes to me, so I just gonna mention the one that impressed me most. XDD, now a PUBG pro of RNG club, was as good a flex as, if not better than Leave imo. He hit rank #1 in 2 continuous competitive seasons on CN server, won 1v1 solo cup champion where lots of pros and streamers participated. After he shifted to PUBG pro he earned 2 rewards for killing the MOST out of 2 offline competitions. What's special about him is that he somehow managed to aim very well with a much higher sensitivity compared to average pros(like 2.5x faster or even more, he often does a smooth 360 within one swing of wrist when he streams). This has enabled him to do some crazy moves such as dragshots over half of a screen, genji's 270 degree ghost dash... So back to the question, Leave and XDD being the double flex is the dream roaster I'm so hyped to see, they could literally fit in any comp. Sadly it's unlikely to happen.
Jinmu's projectile dps is god tier
not comparable to dding though
@@andusz5518 I would still say jinmu has the better pharah as dding plays more sombra
I used to say AMEN but now i say AMENG
黄碧玺 literally the 100th time I saw this
ameng.
I used to say AMENG but now I say Super
lul
I call it “The quickplay” comp
See, what the hunters are doing makes me want to watch overwatch league because i know itll be really interesting and not just boring meta stuff
Genna M same here! I always look forward to watching them (+ Shanghai) play!
Started by the Hunters, mastered by the Dragons. Props to both for shitting on GOATS.
This is why I love the Chengdu Hunters. They don't follow the meta and bring back old or new comps to the scene proving that you don't need GOATS to win. just a really good strat
I think people will get bored of any meta if its goes on too long, GOATS has been meta for quite some time now so I think people are just happy to see a new style of Overwatch being played at a high level. I like the DPS comps but I dont hate seeing GOATS played at a very high level.
Agreed
Triple dps... shows 2-2-2. Editing at its finest folks! Happens to everyone keep up the good work
Where?
@@DoodleZfps 6:30
Well their rein/winston main Jiqiren isnt here in stage 1 and 2, so they are forced to play multi-dps comps due to unable to play 303 (even if ameng can play rein he still lacks experience).
Now that jiqiren is here chengdu may try going 303 full time as they can now.
Can't bench the Gigachad
ckfeliz well, I think that they can play a good 3-3 if they want to, the team just need to practice. After the chengdu x Vancouver titans game, bumper give a interview were he said that ameng's reinhart was outplaying his own Reinhart. The team just have to practice the focus on the peel for ameng if they want to go 3-3
@@balamomontages Do you think they'll put jiqren on rein and start playing GOATS comps in Stage 3? What do you want to see them play in the upcoming stages?
@@Akshonesports I think it would be too early to say as the patch for stage 3 could see a slight meta change
Akshon Esports well, I personally am a dive tank main, so i would like to see some sort of new dive coming, but the new ptr make's dive a lot weaker, the McCree buff and the ridiculous dva nerf makes at least improbable of we seeing five coming back, so I would like to see some sort off bunker vs disrupt meta. In my opinion the high potential disrupt meta was very omitted when the 3-3 came, so I would like to see it come back and show its real potential
'oming'
OMING
The Yottachad demanded Aimong, dont you dare oppose him mortal.
Not funny
OK,I'm Chinese and I'm a hardcore Chengdu fan.I want to tell something some of you guys probably don't know. I typed these words with my phone
1.Jiqiren' rein is no doubt the best in China, winston normal, sucks at ball and orisa. More like a rein one trick. He's struggled a lot at visa problem, Chinese audience are really super highly expecting his visa could be solved. Jiqiren himself desperately want it too. And it was solved a few days ago.
He will liberate lateyoung from bench, Jiqiren and lateyoung were the best coordinated tanks in China, two boys are really good friends, and they are so funny when they streaming together.
2.Chengdu's headcoach RUI, he's the most respectful figure in cn ow, he has a really active brain never stubborn, nickname as "highly skilled doctor". Some of you may noticed the fight of MY vs Lunatic-hai, MY almost beat Lunatic Hai but why? OK, it's beacause lateyoung desperately wanted to pee after two matches, he drunk too much water, so he called a pause, but Koreans said they can only pause once, and when RUI wanted to call a pause when score 2-2（MY players were crashed by LH mentally and started to play like throwing） and being told he can't ,it's already used once. Otherwise I bet MY would beat LH 3-2 with my fcking head. RUI is really really an amazing coach, he was a LOL pro when he was younger, he also insisted team China should play symmetra when owwc2018.
3.Ameng wasn't famous at all before owls2 in China, elsa,kyo,yvetal hard carried ever match with steady performance, but they are not as famous as jinmu and ameng.
4.Leave will be 18 when oct 2019, and he's living in chengdu LA base right now, Leave and RUI trusted each other very much, you can see Leave as a clown Fleta with deep hero pool, I think leave will be very likely go to CDH in s3, and there were some rumors said he will go to GZcharge.
5.I'm a little tired, maybe update when I have time
At 6:41ish you try to break down how “their triple dps play is dangerous” when they’re running two dps. Great attention to detail there. Top tier analysis really 4head
As a shanghai supporter ever since i got into then owl i love dps comps and the hunters exel at that
Its those chinese sides that are showing flexibility unlike the rest. Really only those two but ive seen others try it. Love to see it and love seeing it bulldoze goats
The Hunters are just doing Overwatch right, they aren't just playing random comps, they are picking the comp that best works for 'their' playstyle. They don't bind themselves to Goats like nearly every other team does, and they dont play the mentality of (okay we took point one with dps heroes, we have 2-3 ults ready to go, lets all swap to goats and reset our ult percentage!) like other teams do.
They'll run goats if they must, but its not their default strat, its their 'if nothing else works then lets go goats' playbook and they have a ton of plays to prove that they dont need goats
they remind me of the old rogue roster, when triple tank was the meta. Hopefully they'll cause the meta to shift from goats to the more dps oriented comps
Let's not forget, they can also play goats at a high level.
The god Ameng
One of the most overated players
@@Zabraaa
Jealous of Ameng's big dick energy are we?
PROfiles: Ameng - Ascending to Yottachad.
@@Akshonesports
Please.
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They're consistent; look at how constantly they're putting out damage, and how efficiently they switch off to make new plays to avoid being read. Adaptability is a powerful trait, and the Hunters have it to spare.
".....thrill and adventure...."
Yup, that's just what it is. I tell ya, seeing Chengdu roll out everytime with Ameng leading the charge almost bring tears to my eyes. "The valiant and brave pioneers on a quest". Sounds good doesn't it? Because that's simply the truth! Coming in with really low expectations, to defying the meta and being just another team not named "San Francisco Shock" nor "Vancouver Titans", to actually winning big matches on their way to nearly scratching the playoff cut. Win or lose, Chengdu guarantees fun every single damn time they are playing.
Similar to last season as to how NYXL basically has a roster full of rock stars, Chengdu basically also has the same thing now.
My 3 favourite players in Chengdu are Ameng, Jinmu, and probably Elsa. But the rest of the team are also real close too! Seeing Baconjack and YangXiaoLong on mostly hitscan really invigorates the heart while seeing Yveltal and Kyo do their jobs nicely invigorates the soul.
Can't wait to see how Chengdu will wow us in the next stages.
We're glad you're so passionate about the Hunters! Who do you think their biggest rival will be, in terms of DPS?
Akshon Esports Well that’ll be NYXL, Shock, Dynasty, Spark, Spitfire and the Titans. Not in that order.
It’ll be really nice to see more awesome and dynamic plays...
This is the only complaint I’m going to miss from 222 lock
They have a great coach and bunch of great players
I felt like I was watching “Finding Bigfoot” when I was watching the Hunters vs Titans game
What I like with Dps comp is that you'll never know how a team fight can change and end.
With goats, it overall always the same song: one pick on the enemy team then snowball effect. Occasionally, a D.Va bomb can result on a clutch.
But with Dps, anything can happen: A well placed Barrage, successful Nano Blade etc... even a single damn trap !
Lets go HUNT!!!
Real goats hunters CHENGDU
Wait......Yveltal? Like the Pokémon?
Yep!
Seoul, Vancouver, SF, and La Glad could put out some disgusting dps comps but idk if theyd be better man for man than ameng-jinmu-yangxiaolong
What do you want each player to play dps-wise?
If this becomes meta, I think It would be called the hunter meta tbh not only because of the team, but from the play style
God this video is old “We miss the 222 spread”
Still a great watch tho
I think Akshon Esports is always GREAT!
And I also think that your voice is amazing! 😃
The only team I enjoyed watching during that Goats mirror bore fest.
I hope fusion returns to dps comps as well
I feel philly has good coordination and a good tier widow(carpe) eqo is decent at phara so maybe they can out play the hunters?
In the Hunters' composition? Because normally Philly might lose out. Despite being far superior at pre-GOATS traditional compositions they refuse to get off GOATS for more than a moment.
I was tilted when EQO got off Pharah on Paris during Week 1. Anyhoo, if its mirror I don't think so, off-meta possible but not mirror. Ameng is too damn good at ball and Philly doesn't use Snillo for the life of them so only 2 DPS (Poko Sombra isn't there yet) with the starting line up.
The voices said to practice agenst the hunters they just need to play mistery heros
Yeah I like the hunters Bc they don’t really ply goats they have dps which constantly switch they’re so flexible that it makes it harder for the other teams to try and find a a solid comp against them
Okay honestly, I think Phil. Fusion could pull off the dps because they have carpe, a god Widowmaker. They could prob. start doing single dps, then progress to multi-dps as they get more comfortable because dps is always fun to see.
What other DPS would you like to see from the Fusion?
Probably eqo, but carpe is still by far my favorite(lol).
Goats is way more fun to play then 2-2-2 cause I get the feeling I can’t do anything
GOATS was the alpha meta way better than dive.
As long as they remain committed to their teamwork and synergy, they can run anything they want.
Whether in Stage 3 or 4, eventually Goats is going to run out, and no team is More Practiced on DPS based comps than the Hunters.
They know it best, and can run it the best.
TBH I think the LA Gladiators would benefit from this style mainly because of surefour and hydration but mainly surefour because he showed a distinct ability to play sombra
Ameng is the MJ of main tanks
Awesome breakdown
the dislikes are people who like goats
0:27
ladder tracer
Good to know that even pros have potato aim sometimes.
ameng is pronounced "ay-mung" and in yveltal the second syllable is stressed, not the first ("ee-VEL-tall")
Emma C isnt it ah-mung if pronounced as Chinese pinyin?
It seems like Chengdu has a Pokemon fan on their team
They also had a RWBY fan (yang xiao long)
I don't think it's strange that 3-dps comps have risen with 3-3 reigning supreme lately. It actually makes a lot of sense if you think about goats' weaknesses. They're a short-range 'shell' brawling comp that hits like a battering ram. So naturally the counter is long-range suppressing fire and physically breaking up their shell. So heroes like torb, hammond, sombra, mei and many others really excel at helping to create space on a point and whittling down the goats 'shell' until it cracks. I've never understood the hatred of certain comps, it's clever tactics where the goal is to win by any means necessary. Goats still has my full support as a fun, unbreakable and powerful comp that's here to stay.
The hatred of certain comps likely stems from people's negative experience with them. They see/ hear about pros playing goats and think "that's what works, so we should play it too," and ignore anyone who thinks there are heroes outside the meta. Torb is a very hit or miss hero, depending on one's understanding of how he can be used as more than just a throw pick. Any hero that's not considered meta is easiest to blame if the team isn't doing well. But I agree, there are interesting comps that should theoretically be able to give GOATS a run for its money, so long as others in the ladder are open-minded about it and willing to work together for the sake of winning~
-Nessa
@@Akshonesports Agreed completely. Personally I hate most DPS comps with a passion simply because they're squishy heroes. I can't stand the idea of having them move such a far distance from me and then die because I wasn't able to reach and help them in time. DPS are just too squishy for me to be comfortable playing with, plain and simple. As a healer main sometimes I feel like I'm worthless because I can't reach my DPS in time and the enemy is putting out more damage than I can heal, so what am I supposed to do? It's made me lose enough matches and cause enough headaches to where I simply refuse to play without GOATS. Like it doesn't matter to me anymore, I'm not taking the risk. I cannot deal with having my team spread out and getting picked one by one, I much prefer a tight shell that hits like a battering ram.
Hunters hunt goats, IT ALL MAKES SENSE
If they are using a 240hz monitor Chengdu Hunters would be the best team
Seoul and Nyxl would prob be beasts with the newer dps comps. Titans are pretty flexible too, but 3x3 is their best atm.
As a casual player I hate watching Goats. So now I think i'm a Chengdu fan e.e
Petition to change wrecking ball's name to Hammond in game.
good vid!
every compisision is better then goats when watching the OWL so in all honesty it was a breath of fresh air watching them wreck everything
It makes the games more enjoyable
How does Chengdu play multi DPS in the GOATs meta?
Easy, they have Ameng, the yottachad. Question is: Does YOUR TEAM have a yottachad? Guess not.
People say houston should go dps comp, but Jake aint Jinmu
I love Chengdu Hunters
People complained about dive and now that we have GOATS we want dive back??? I don’t mean to be Aria Rose but, “DPS main hypocrisy,” seems present.
A Strong Main Tank is the most Underrated thing in ALL of The League
I don't really feel like it's that underrated this season. We all know how important they are. I think they were underrated last season though.
I feel like them being the leaders of the team, being highlighted in every single watchpoint before a game does not say that.
dan altamirano when there is 6 on a team and the player is good, they are bound to be mentioned
Imagine composing this statement when GOATS has literally been meta since the beginning of the season
Hey Akshon can you cover the Pacific Showdown
Unfortunately, we won't be, sorry :(
Every day we stray further from Dive Comp
Chengdu Hunters is the Chad of OWL teams Jesus Christ
9:03
oh...
Is it time to watch overwatch league again? Did the meta change enough to be entertaining to watch?
GOATS persists, but some teams are trying to counter it in ways that play up their strong points, and bunker has started popping up more
@@Akshonesports bunker is very map dependent unfortunately. Yea, I'm not watching this seasons games unless I'm literally in bed trying to sleep :/
What changes would make it interesting enough for you to watch again?
Omg the way this guy is talking is so funny. At the beginning of the sentence he is talking the same voice every time and then he ends in the funniest way ever LMAO
I mean I'm English so I guess dps style comps would be good coz then the spitfire would be alot better. Also I'm a dps main (like so many others) so i want to see my favourite characters being played at the highest level
We'd love to see more dps played as well! What heroes do you main?
@@Akshonesports I play a lot of tracer hanzo and mcree but I also like watching the pros pop off on widow even tho I dont play her that much
Yvental is a Pokémon name
Now we just need an OWL pro to be xerneas and we'd be good
I guess they are just really smart
the thing with the hunter is that apart from yveltal they don’t have the best players from china. even then they would have probably played goats if jiqiren (their rein player) wasn’t stuck in china with visa issues. they found a niche for themselves mostly to survive without their rein and became popular for it but when all teams switch to a more dps heavy play style they won’t be near the top because right now they’re only there because they’re the only ones playing dps
Yeah I see what you mean I wish Guxue (or however you spell his name from Spark) was on the Hunters roster and heck, even all the other Chinese players in the league currently.
every owl team/player has said "Chengdu can play dps and do well because they are all amazing dps players" so idk why you think they wont do well after goats
fukutada For season 3 with a lot of the best Chinese talent turning 18 we could potentially see 2 Chinese super teams. Chengdu and if Hangzhou decide to ditch their Korean players them as well. Especially considering how good both Hangzhou and Chengdu academy are most can just promote a few from those teams. Considering how Hangzhou took a big risk scouting the low teams in Korea and it back fired we could see a Chinese takeover on that team.
distraxts Because the DPS on that team aren’t as good as other Chinese players? Just look at their team Jinmu while he has good mechanics lacks any discipline and always ends up dying chasing kills he shouldn’t, Baconjack just came back from a year plus break of not playing Overwatch and YangXiaoLong had a similar long break to Baconjack.
All these guys are not the best in China, aren’t as good as their counterparts in OWL and on top of that are playing catch-up in experience.
If all the teams played DPS they wouldn’t look as good. Even Ameng isn’t that great of a Hamster. Fissure, Mano, Rio, Guxue all have better Hamsters.
@@DeeCire saying ameng, jinmu and ivetal top tier lever is underrating them in my opinion
Obviously Shock would be the best. How do you stand up to a dps lineup of Striker, Architect, and Rascal? No team can match that. Has to be at least half a million bucks for that trio. I mean just imagine having to play against the old school rogue triple dps style with Super on Winston, Moth on Lucio, Viol2t on Zen, Striker on Tracer, Rascal on projectile, and architect on hitscan. I would bet my life that just the dps players from shock could absolutely destroy a full team of plats. Those guys are insane. If they picked up Profit and Libero I think Crusty would have to question whether you actually need tanks and healers in Overwatch.
If DPS comps become meta again, who do you think will be the Shock's biggest rival?
I know they’re not the best team but like, the panda
Is it your favourite team logo? =]
My silver teammates love this comp
@akshonesports most heroes in **UNDER** a minute
Spapadap nah they mean each hero was played for over a minute meaning they weren’t just stall picks
Yah dont know about the ultimate 6 genji comp
I think the NYXL will be better but not in this season The have
Sbb pine jjonak nenne flower and libro I think they need a fresh start next season to really shine
London would be good at this comp
Anything is more entertaining then watching goats
Make dive great again!
Fav team rn just cause they don't do goats 247
9:02 actually hated that
What happened to Adam ?
Because people with actual communication skills, an understanding of how their hero affects the game and their teammates, a desire to win, is all that you need to run a Multi DPS comp. I tell people all the time, there’s nothing wrong with MultiDPS, on the surface level. Preferably I’d run Soldier, Sombra, Widow, Hanzo, Pharah, and Junk, for long range, high damage. People in lower elos just are selfish when it comes to these sort of comps because “everyone is going to carry” when it’s really just about doing your fucking job consistently, thereby helping your other teammates capitalize.
Have you had the chance to try out your dream comp? Soldier main heals🤔 What if the other team also has good comms?
Akshon Esports adapt. Pharah and Junk just need to break through all of the shielding, while Sombra harasses backline and snipers key in on targets. On paper it works. And if they do then that’s ok but they would then need to execute and counter all the different distractions. EMP/Tire would be enough to get at least 2 people.
@@rileythewolf8960 Very interesting concept. Would love to see something that bizarre played in OWL, even if only for a few seconds, aha. What team would you like to see play this the most?
Akshon Esports my team is Reign, though I’d say a team like Shock, Hunters, or Fuel would be exciting to watch run a comp like this. This is the first season where I’ve been invested with OWL and I’m hoping they move away from GOATs, Bunker, for more high damage/spread comps.
@@rileythewolf8960 Awesome! We're glad to hear you're interested this season~ And we're hoping to see other teams try new things as well :)
He spelt action wrong
I think that nyxl will be better
With the composition they use
Now we cant watch this comp because of 2-2-2 role locks