For anyone else doing this swap. I got the high pressure hose from O’Reilly. $21. Part #13401402. Only modification I had to do was bend the hose out a little bit where it treads into the back of the pump. Super easy, did it by hand. If your considering doing this, just do it. Thrilled with the result!
I have a 1996 ford f150 5.0 2wd i got this saginaw version bracket and pump ready. Except the new pump didn’t come with the pulley. Can i use the one from the original power steering system on my 96?
Started watching your videos about 6months ago. Now I don’t miss one! I just did the Saginaw pump switch on my 94 F150. Wouldn’t have pulled the trigger without your videos. I am thrilled with the result!! Local junk yard sold me one for $40 with the bracket. Keep up the good work!!
Did this on my 94 bronco 351w as well as an 01 f250 steering gear and a HUGE difference, definitely a worthwhile upgrade! Purchased the pump and bracket for the 95 f150 300 i6 but haven't installed it yet. I really like the paint job you did, it looks great.
i found out you dont have to cut the pressure hose. and it bolts right in , yes its a little longer it comes off the back of the pump, comes under the pump twards front of truck , then curves to the right then back to the port in the gear box, you may have to bend it down a little but it will screw right in, and as a bonus , you dont lose your warranty on the hose. p.s. the vans and the trucks use the exact same gear boxes. i converted mine in less than 30 minutes, and sir you are very correct, IT`S A BEAUTIFUL THING
Thanks for the video. Just swapped mine out in a 95 FSB, steering much more responsive. I had to replace my return hose with a longer one as the old one was just way too tight trying to stretch it. I guess I could have but for just a little extra work I replaced the hose with one three inches longer. Inside diameter 3/8 inch. I also bought a new hp hose from napa
Quality video. Thanks! I'm considering a rear drum to disc break conversion on my 1990 Ford F-250. They say you need a hydroboost (and master cylinder) from a 87-97 F-450 SUPERDUTY. Have also heard that the saginaw pump out of the Econoline is the way to go. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks to your video i took on the ask to switch over to a saginaw pump on my 79 bronco little more work to do than yours so worth the time and cost so Very Quiet!!! now and i have 36 inch tires on it totally Amazes every time i turn the wheel so Easley . Thanks Again
Hi I read your post and I want to do the same thing my pump is loud? It's brand new and still loud? I've replace my steering box with a new one as well! Plus new line low and hi. What pump and what did you get it? Brackets ? Ect fill me in on what your experience is or things u would have done differently
Definite improvement!!! My 1995 groaned a little "not much to speak of" I took the return line off the pump, disconnected the coil wire and cranked the engine remotely while adding Mercon V. Wanted to be certain I got all the old fluid out. Its been quiet ever since. Great Idea though, I'll be on the lookout for a Saginaw pump/bracket for possible future use. Looks easy enough to swap out. I wonder if the steering boxes that are on the vans are the same as the ones they put on the trucks? Thanks for your video. Great Idea!
My 85 Ford E350 RV has a Saginaw pump from the factory. It's big o-ring seal on the original pump has finally kicked the bucket and it's leaking pretty badly. What a pain.
I am looking into this myself for my 87, but it appears the brick noses use a different A/C Compressor, so that would be included in the swap of but other than Compressor, and lines for booth, seems the same
pretty good way to make the high pressure hose without spending a lot. Was the rubber part of the van hose a lot longer? I didn't have a van hose to work with- just the cut-off end so i ended up making one at considerable cost.
It was longer, and the metal tubing going to the steering box was quite a bit longer.. could almost get it to fit, but cutting it and flaring it worked a lot better.
Are the holes between the 2 brackets the same and line up? Meaning can I just cut and trim the Ford bracket to fit the Siganaw pump? Thanks in advance. 👍
Hey fox shop I wondering if this convesion would work on my 79 ford pickup. I just replace my steering gearbox, new lines and pump and it friggin whines in running redline synthetic ps fluid. What gives? I've read this is typical what are your thoughts cheers
Fox Shop, since you have posted this video, I have gathered everything required to do the same upgrade myself, but I'm pretty sure that the high pressure hose I got from my local Napa is a little different. Upon going into Napa and dealing with an unfamiliar employee, I assumed that there would be only 1 basic high pressure hose for that era of Ford E150 van. Now that I've looked through Napa's website, I fear that I may have wasted $30. My hose is part # NPS 72084 on Napa's website and the specs (length, fitting and tubing diameters) are shown on the page for it. Will this hose work if I cut and double flare it like yours?
+Command37 the one I used would be the NPS 73344 from Napa. I just spent a while cross referencing on their website. However, I think the one you got should still work. It's not like the one I used was made to fit, I had to make it work. They should take that hose back though and swap it for the other one. I think the fittings should be the same.
I've also compared the specs and the only thing i'm worried about is the total length of the hose. I will hold the new pump and hose inside of the engine bay to get a rough idea of whether or not it will work. One last question, did you use only the Lisle double flaring tool or did you first have to use a bench grinder or something to make your double flare?
Just the flaring tool. I would mount the bracket and pump up in the truck, screw the one end of the hose into the back of the pump where it goes, and then figure out a good routing for the hose. Is the hose you have longer or shorter or do you know?
Don't know yet. Will have to wait until tomorrow night before I can compare. Just found out that I probably have to work this Saturday, which leaves me with only 1 off-day, but I'm still gunning to complete this mod if it's the only thing I accomplish this weekend.
Working Good NOW ?? The better steering = GM pump is 1200 PSI at 3 gal per min. I have been told I need to reduce PSI to 850 2 gal per min ,for Mustang 2 Rack & pinion . or I will blow out seals.
The Fox Shop getting my 94 150's front end all finished up and ready for alignment though my pump groans and I believe my box has play. New steering and suspension components all around. Will the changing of pump/steering box affect alignment? I'm sure I want to do it beforehand anyway I was just curious. Awesome channel thank you
Ok so the flaring tool is necessary for the high pressure line? Gathering stuff up for the job. The local junkyards in town are 60-80 dollars for the pump off a van..
Can you tell me the make and model of the flaring tool you use? My God I've been dreaming of this mod ever since I replaced my pump without any reduction in noise 3 years ago when I got my truck. This is truly an answered prayer, thank you!
I can... but cant right now. Its one I picked up at the auto parts store a while back. They dont cost much. I will try to get that info for ya.. I should have done that and put it in the description box.
What Year, Make & Model Van did you get that pump off of? I never of that, prbbly would like to try that on my truck 😎👍🏽 I have the same Year, Make, Model, & Engine Size as yours by the way 👍🏽👍🏽 really like these trucks! Awesome videos you do too 👌🏽 very helpful haha!
Everything looked right on except I would have jacked up the front wheels and flushed the entire system with new clean clear power steering fluid. That replacement pump that was removed to be installed in the Ford truck is a totally unknown status. JUST FLUSH THE SYSTEM!!! It will save you time down the road. Please use safety glasses... it helps!!!!
when i built fox body mustangs, i would wrap the engine wireharnesses with colored electrical tape .... they have light blue, similar to ford light blue & dark blue , similar to ford medium blue ... they have other colors, too. white, green ( lime & hunter ) red, yellow, orange, brown, purple, gray, pink & many more colors.
LOL.. Maybe it doesnt look like it in video, but have a small wooden stool thing that I made and use it a lot to stand on when I am working under the hood of that truck. I am 6'2" as well.
If you watched the video... Ahem... 😂... I used Mercon 5 ... Those pumps aren't too picky on what you use... That's what I used and still working great!!
A little off topic but i just redid my entire ac system in my 93 f150 4x4 with a 302 and when i turn the ac on at a stop an the truck in drive the truck wants to die but when you're driving everything feels fine does anyone have suggestions and yes i did spring for a new not reman ac compressor any help will be greatly appreciated no one around me will work on my truck because they say its to old and that to me is kinda sad 😞
What’s up with the millennial music, I like the vid but not the hipster elevator music lol, maybe some hard rock would def go better with a 90’s Ford , maybe 90’s grunge, Alice In Chains or sound garden
Awesome video. Gonna have to do this. My truck sounds like a birthing moose!!!
I sure would. Overall its pretty a pretty simple upgrade!
!!Birthday Moose!! LMAO!!
The Fox Shop looking like new you should do smog pump delete
@The Bushwacker any idea which fuel filter you used?
😂😂😂
For anyone else doing this swap. I got the high pressure hose from O’Reilly. $21. Part #13401402. Only modification I had to do was bend the hose out a little bit where it treads into the back of the pump. Super easy, did it by hand. If your considering doing this, just do it. Thrilled with the result!
So to be absolutely clear, you didn't have to do the double flare? Only had to bend the hose, yes?
Command37 Correct. I don’t own a flare kit. If memory serves, I didn’t have to bend it much. Start small and dry-fit it. Good luck!
You are awesome man. Thankyou for contributing your knowledge.
I have a 1996 ford f150 5.0 2wd i got this saginaw version bracket and pump ready. Except the new pump didn’t come with the pulley. Can i use the one from the original power steering system on my 96?
Started watching your videos about 6months ago. Now I don’t miss one! I just did the Saginaw pump switch on my 94 F150. Wouldn’t have pulled the trigger without your videos. I am thrilled with the result!! Local junk yard sold me one for $40 with the bracket. Keep up the good work!!
Good to hear! Big difference isn't it?
The Fox Shop, yes it is! It cleaned up my steering so much I don’t think I need to replace the gear box anytime soon, which I was shopping for.
Did this on my 94 bronco 351w as well as an 01 f250 steering gear and a HUGE difference, definitely a worthwhile upgrade! Purchased the pump and bracket for the 95 f150 300 i6 but haven't installed it yet. I really like the paint job you did, it looks great.
I agree! Definitely worth doing! The painting of it turned out pretty good, although nobody will ever see it. LOL
Just got mine out of the junkyard today, excited to see the difference.
Night and day!
i found out you dont have to cut the pressure hose. and it bolts right in , yes its a little longer it comes off the back of the pump, comes under the pump twards front of truck , then curves to the right then back to the port in the gear box, you may have to bend it down a little but it will screw right in, and as a bonus , you dont lose your warranty on the hose. p.s. the vans and the trucks use the exact same gear boxes. i converted mine in less than 30 minutes, and sir you are very correct, IT`S A BEAUTIFUL THING
For those wondering about doing this conversion on a 460, I suggest looking in E350 buses. I saw several yesterday at the local scrap yard with 460's.
These seem super hard to find. I can find aftermarket brackets online, but I don't know anyone that's bought one.
Thanks for the video. Just swapped mine out in a 95 FSB, steering much more responsive. I had to replace my return hose with a longer one as the old one was just way too tight trying to stretch it. I guess I could have but for just a little extra work I replaced the hose with one three inches longer. Inside diameter 3/8 inch. I also bought a new hp hose from napa
Thank you for the video. Doing the mod to my bronco tomorrow. Got all my parts ready! Greatly appreciated.
I just did this! It’s a huge difference! I found out the hard way to not use the original power steering high pressure hose.
Awesome isnt it? Just threw away a brand new rebuilt Ford pump... but this swap was more than worth it!
do you know anywhere online where i could find the bracket? No junkyards around me have any ford vans.
Quality video. Thanks! I'm considering a rear drum to disc break conversion on my 1990 Ford F-250. They say you need a hydroboost (and master cylinder) from a 87-97 F-450 SUPERDUTY. Have also heard that the saginaw pump out of the Econoline is the way to go. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks to your video i took on the ask to switch over to a saginaw pump on my 79 bronco little more work to do than yours so worth the time and cost so Very Quiet!!! now and i have 36 inch tires on it totally Amazes every time i turn the wheel so Easley . Thanks Again
Hi I read your post and I want to do the same thing my pump is loud? It's brand new and still loud? I've replace my steering box with a new one as well! Plus new line low and hi. What pump and what did you get it? Brackets ? Ect fill me in on what your experience is or things u would have done differently
Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who had trouble getting a high pressure hose, lol. Nice video.
Thanks... Just gotta make it work lol
gonna do mine as soon as I can catch a jag of nice weather! 😎👍
Now I want to do the Saginaw pump conversion to my truck. Love the videos as always and I always look forward to the next one.
Go for it! Pretty simple to do really, and its awesome!
Man you have a nice property,congratulations.
Thank you!! 👍👍👌
Now that was a neat resolve , well done 👍👍
Thank you very much sir! Cant believe the difference it made. Love it!
I think you could definately use the truck hose maybe back in 94 they were made diferent but today all are made the same strength wise. Great Video.
Nope, DONT do that... it will blow.. they are not the same.
Thanks for sharing , my steering pump isn’t that bad , but it’s something on my to do list on the ol’ girl . Love your content . Cheers
Awesome job! I'm glad you like it so much!
Now all you hear is that sweet exhaust!
One of if not the best upgrade I have done!
Definite improvement!!! My 1995 groaned a little "not much to speak of" I took the return line off the pump, disconnected the coil wire and cranked the engine remotely while
adding Mercon V. Wanted to be certain I got all the old fluid out. Its been quiet ever since.
Great Idea though, I'll be on the lookout for a Saginaw pump/bracket for possible future use. Looks easy enough to swap out. I wonder if the steering boxes that are on the vans are the same as the ones they put on the trucks? Thanks for your video. Great Idea!
The vans have the saginaw pumps... the trucks have the Ford style pumps. I pulled this one out of a van.
My 85 Ford E350 RV has a Saginaw pump from the factory. It's big o-ring seal on the original pump has finally kicked the bucket and it's leaking pretty badly. What a pain.
As always, a great video! You're my go to when it comes to the OBS F150's!!
great video! I use 15w-40
Thanks very much for this video. Very helpful. Would the situation be the same for my 1990 F-150 4x4 5.0L? Thanks again.
I am looking into this myself for my 87, but it appears the brick noses use a different A/C Compressor, so that would be included in the swap of but other than Compressor, and lines for booth, seems the same
pretty good way to make the high pressure hose without spending a lot. Was the rubber part of the van hose a lot longer? I didn't have a van hose to work with- just the cut-off end so i ended up making one at considerable cost.
It was longer, and the metal tubing going to the steering box was quite a bit longer.. could almost get it to fit, but cutting it and flaring it worked a lot better.
Are the holes between the 2 brackets the same and line up? Meaning can I just cut and trim the Ford bracket to fit the Siganaw pump? Thanks in advance. 👍
What did you use to refinish your bracket and pump before install?
Nice video!
Thank You! Appreciate it!
Hey fox shop I wondering if this convesion would work on my 79 ford pickup. I just replace my steering gearbox, new lines and pump and it friggin whines in running redline synthetic ps fluid. What gives? I've read this is typical what are your thoughts cheers
Fox Shop, since you have posted this video, I have gathered everything required to do the same upgrade myself, but I'm pretty sure that the high pressure hose I got from my local Napa is a little different. Upon going into Napa and dealing with an unfamiliar employee, I assumed that there would be only 1 basic high pressure hose for that era of Ford E150 van. Now that I've looked through Napa's website, I fear that I may have wasted $30. My hose is part # NPS 72084 on Napa's website and the specs (length, fitting and tubing diameters) are shown on the page for it. Will this hose work if I cut and double flare it like yours?
+Command37 the one I used would be the NPS 73344 from Napa. I just spent a while cross referencing on their website. However, I think the one you got should still work. It's not like the one I used was made to fit, I had to make it work. They should take that hose back though and swap it for the other one. I think the fittings should be the same.
I've also compared the specs and the only thing i'm worried about is the total length of the hose. I will hold the new pump and hose inside of the engine bay to get a rough idea of whether or not it will work. One last question, did you use only the Lisle double flaring tool or did you first have to use a bench grinder or something to make your double flare?
Just the flaring tool. I would mount the bracket and pump up in the truck, screw the one end of the hose into the back of the pump where it goes, and then figure out a good routing for the hose. Is the hose you have longer or shorter or do you know?
Don't know yet. Will have to wait until tomorrow night before I can compare. Just found out that I probably have to work this Saturday, which leaves me with only 1 off-day, but I'm still gunning to complete this mod if it's the only thing I accomplish this weekend.
Working Good NOW ?? The better steering = GM pump is 1200 PSI at 3 gal per min. I have been told I need to reduce PSI to 850 2 gal per min ,for Mustang 2 Rack & pinion . or I will blow out seals.
The Fox Shop getting my 94 150's front end all finished up and ready for alignment though my pump groans and I believe my box has play. New steering and suspension components all around. Will the changing of pump/steering box affect alignment? I'm sure I want to do it beforehand anyway I was just curious. Awesome channel thank you
changing out the gearbox shouldnt affect alignment. One of the best upgrades is going from the Ford steering pump to a Saginaw pump. Highly recommend!
Ok so the flaring tool is necessary for the high pressure line? Gathering stuff up for the job. The local junkyards in town are 60-80 dollars for the pump off a van..
Can you tell me the make and model of the flaring tool you use? My God I've been dreaming of this mod ever since I replaced my pump without any reduction in noise 3 years ago when I got my truck. This is truly an answered prayer, thank you!
I can... but cant right now. Its one I picked up at the auto parts store a while back. They dont cost much. I will try to get that info for ya.. I should have done that and put it in the description box.
What Bracket are you using for power steering and AC on
what kind on van did you get the pump from
Is there a cheap fix for a noisy steering pump on a 92 fl50 flareside
What Year, Make & Model Van did you get that pump off of?
I never of that, prbbly would like to try that on my truck 😎👍🏽
I have the same Year, Make, Model, & Engine Size as yours by the way 👍🏽👍🏽 really like these trucks!
Awesome videos you do too 👌🏽 very helpful haha!
It was pulled off of a 1994 E150 van with a 351 engine. I think the 92-96 vans all have that setup unless its the 4.9 or 460.
Can you tell me what year van you got the pump and bracket from?
Everything looked right on except I would have jacked up the front wheels and flushed the entire system with new clean clear power steering fluid. That replacement pump that was removed to be installed in the Ford truck is a totally unknown status. JUST FLUSH THE SYSTEM!!! It will save you time down the road. Please use safety glasses... it helps!!!!
Did u get this pump from lees power steering?
Do you remember what size you flared that high pressure hose end?
How did you flare that hose? I’m getting ready to do a power steering swap on my 93’ bronco and I dont know how to flare the hose after you cut it
Do you know how to flare a brake line? It is exactly the same way.
Can you provide a link for hose and what is FSB how do I find the guy who sells those brackets.
Thx in advance
Tim
Full Size Bronco. Its a online forum for Ford truck enthusiasts. Its a great community for mods and repair information.
Since the brackets are hard to come by in my area, I wonder how much cutting and shaping is required to make the Saginaw pump fit?
Wish I could help ya..but if you found the pump like on a van... Bracket should be there with it I would think?
when i built fox body mustangs, i would wrap the engine wireharnesses with colored electrical tape .... they have light blue, similar to ford light blue & dark blue , similar to ford medium blue ... they have other colors, too. white, green ( lime & hunter ) red, yellow, orange, brown, purple, gray, pink & many more colors.
jon how tall are you I cant even reach that far in my hood and am 6 foot 2 and I have to use a step ladder to reach past the fan shroud
LOL.. Maybe it doesnt look like it in video, but have a small wooden stool thing that I made and use it a lot to stand on when I am working under the hood of that truck. I am 6'2" as well.
Did you ever end up having a problem with the stock belt? I just did the swap and kept the stock belt
No...kept the stock belt and everything is good 👌
@@TheFoxShop awesome! Thank you for the reply! I enjoy all videos, good work!!
Would this work on a ford 302,1974 ford Maverick 🤔,thanks!
That my friend I have no idea on lol... With the right bracket for the pump I don't see why not... But honestly have no clue on that one.
I wounder if this would work on a psd or if they already have one?
I think they all had the Ford style pump. Should work just fine I would think.
This is great, thank you for the video! How did you get that yard new pump so clean? Great garage too, you're living my dream sir!
What hose did you use for the Saginaw pump ?
I said and showed in the video.. One for the van.. But I had to modify it a bit
What type of power steering fluid did you use type f automatic transmission or something else?
If you watched the video... Ahem... 😂... I used Mercon 5 ... Those pumps aren't too picky on what you use... That's what I used and still working great!!
@@TheFoxShop thank you for replying i must have missed it 😄
A little off topic but i just redid my entire ac system in my 93 f150 4x4 with a 302 and when i turn the ac on at a stop an the truck in drive the truck wants to die but when you're driving everything feels fine does anyone have suggestions and yes i did spring for a new not reman ac compressor any help will be greatly appreciated no one around me will work on my truck because they say its to old and that to me is kinda sad 😞
I wish I had the cash to fix my 96. I love her dearly and it saddens me to see rust on her. 😔
Start saving your nickles!! :-)
Your solo when was the last time it was used?
What size motor is in your truck?
Where do I get the bracket?
2 cycle oil fixes ford power steering pumps. Fill it full. Stops the whine and leaks.
My only complaint about your videos is the constant quick pauses lol
Is it just me or is that the same pump used on Chevy's?
I believe you may be correct.
All 3 of my chevys have the saginaw, they are prone to failure too all mine changed out at least once
0:21 . Ha...ha...ha....
also, 4:29 best weather report ever
+Logan W. Is that a slow....."not funny"....type of ha ha?
LOL
What’s up with the millennial music, I like the vid but not the hipster elevator music lol, maybe some hard rock would def go better with a 90’s Ford , maybe 90’s grunge, Alice In Chains or sound garden
I know I know....can't use copyright music.....kinda limited here! LOL.
I never liked the air breather tubes on early Ford v8's there sorta ugly thanks Ford
Swap it out with dryer vent
Is the music you use copyright free?