As far as predictable wins go, I don't get why Mike's gets much more criticism than Earl or Cochran's. Those wins felt much more obvious due to the edit, so even when those players didn't get immunity you knew they were never in any danger of not winning. Also wish this episode had more people enthused about the season. Both good guests, but after Bloomberg's excellent stumping for Thailand, it's less fun when there's not at least one person beating the drum about how whatever season they're talking about is TOP FIVE BABY.
Cause with Mike's fracking runaway freight train of immunities it was obvious that "well Mike is on fire with challenges, he's gonna win out and win the damn game"
It broke me when Shirin said that Will being such an absolute horrible person will get him farther in the game and it will tank her game. Because she was 100% correct
Another way to fix the auction is hide the advantage in the food. Like in Australian Survivor, someone got an advantage in a jar of jelly beans. You can also hide stuff under plates, in bottles, in sandwiches, napkins, etc. The possibilities are endless.
Has jeff not seen the view counts of the survivor auction clips on youtube? They're in the millions and many ppl in the comments admit that they don't watch that much survivor. Just bring back the auction with no advantages ffs
I enjoyed this win. The physical threats are usually booted before the final 3. The fact that Mike was able to persevere was satisfying. Plus he stuck up for Shireen who yes, was unlikable but still a person.
When I first watched this season I was only 12 years old, so I didn’t remember how much bullying and disgusting behavior there was on this season. I was surprised to see it so low on the list… but on a rewatch, I can see it. 1. Edge of Extinction 2. Worlds Apart 3. Island of the Idols 4. One World 5. Redemption Island 6. Thailand
After rewatching WP, I think 35 is too low. I would probably rank this as 29 or 30. I also don't get the hate for Mike's immunity run. Would it really make the season better if he gets voted out and we'll have a Will/Sierra/Dan/Mama C/Rodney winner? I also want to point out why Phil was confused about Shirin voting for Mama C in the finals. Shirin did said in her speech, she won't be voting for Mike just because he rescued her. And she said she was more impressed by Mama C's stealthy gameplay. So she said she has Mama C's vote. Yet somehow she changed it and voted for Mike instead.
That's not really what happened with Shirin. If you rewatch the final tribal council, Shirin says that Mike doesn't have her vote just because of standing up for her...but she uses that as a springboard to examine each of the F3's games. She says that Mama C is in the running, but she never says that Mama C impressed her more or that Mama C had her vote.
I love this season I think its extremely quotable and the villains of the season are complete buffoons that get clowned on as much as possible by the edit making it hilarious.
Listening to this currently and laughing when you guys talk about how “they haven’t done this any other time” referring to production taking down their camp at the merge. And now here we are in the new era and how many seasons have they gone to a new island and had now camp now….wondering if someone on production from survivor went through and listened to all of these and was like “oh yea remember that, let’s bring that into the new era” 😂
Wow I had completely forgotten what a great season this was! I have rewatched most of the older seasons few times, but never really anything from after HvV. But if I ever choose one, it has to be this one. This whole podcast was just endless supply of all time great modern survivor moments that I had completely forgotten :D
This season ranked at #28 for me. A lot of the pre-merge is focused on setting up the storylines that enter the merge, some of them being Joe a challenge threat, Mike vs. Rodney, and people like Dan and Will being somewhat insufferable throughout the season. Even with those storylines being setup for the merge, the merge still found its way to be quite predictable. We knew Joe was going to lose at some point, but we probably didn't think that no one other than Mike could pretty win an individual immunity challenge. Mike's challenge run at the final stages of the season make for a good comeback story, but his mistakes were what got him there in the first place. Granted, most of Mike's moves make sense based on the fact that he was able to sniff out what was going on with Rodney, Tyler, and Carolyn. Mike just didn't always make the smartest move in retaliation, i.e. his move at the auction (although somewhat smart, wish he would've stuck with it). Also, Rodney is such a sour puss throughout the season because he literally did nothing around camp and expected to be handed everything in return, so it didn't surprise me that he lost the final 4 fire making challenge. Overall, this season has its moments, but the problem is so much of the pathetic stuff that happened with Dan and Will dragging people like Shirin in the dirt just hurts this season so much. Although I personally found Shirin to be somewhat annoying at times this season, she still didn't deserve the backlash she got from those people. A season with some good moments, but some more infuriating moments.
I agree, I think I should've included Ghost Island and HvHvH. I think HHH was a solid season up until the Ben steamroll. Idk if the people that ranked the seasons considered that. I think it will be on the higher side of these 6 seasons I listed.
Honestly a little surprised this season is this "low" on the votes......what i liked about this season was what Jenny didn't like ironically. An old school style winner, in a Blue collar themed season works for me.... And then Mike wins!! Becides good old Tom, Mike wins comps to win the game!! Thats rare. Not Terry, not Ozzy, not even Joe who premiered this season.........No question Rob, Mike over Ben in season 40 and without a doubt a Tony side to him but slightly better at challenges where Tony was better socially. Simular for sure......season 30 is definitely not that bad. There's alot worse. AND YOU KNOW THIS MAN
This season suffers from a really unlikable cast. Mike isn’t likable at first, Rodney and Dan are unlikable throughout the entire season, Joaquin is... meh, Will is awful after the situation with Shirin, even Shirin is really annoying for most of the season, and all of the likable characters in the merge either go early (Kelly, Hali, Jenn), or are completely eclipsed in the edit (Carolyn, Tyler, Sierra) by gross people. I don’t remember what I ranked this, but it was low - lower than IoI on my list.
I know Will gave an apology at the reunion but then he tries to force Shirin to forgive her. “I apologize so now it’s up to you to accept my apology” and that was really forced. She has no reason to accept it. Really left a bad taste in my mouth watching it.
@@nathandanczak7822If we went by that logic than they shouldnt have casted Dan from island of the idols yet they did. Casting is always a risk. You can't fully expect what you'll see from someone until they are in the environment. 2:21:27
I thought the pre-merge wasn’t too bad. There were some good strategic plays, like Carolyn finding the idol without the clue and being able to convince the white collars to vote So out. I thought I was really going to like the season. But all the likeableness of the cast is out the window when the merge happens. Everyone was just so vile to each other and everyone had such a “know-it-all” attitude even though they were wrong. I didn’t like Mike much at first but he easily shone through all the unlikeable characters, and his edit was obvious. The sexism was a large pill to swallow, and it seemed like all the unlikeable characters kept voting off the decent ones. Definitely a bottom 5 season for me.
I like Worlds Apart but I can't get behind Mike's win, Not because I don't like him but besides his immunity freight train and him playing an idol successfully, he really didn't do anything else. Plus I just wanna say Mike's voice changed ever 10 minutes, I don't know what's up with that but I'm not trying to be rude but that got really annoying. Also I have seen Will's video of him dancing at a gas station that went viral on the internet and it's hilarious
As far as predictable wins go, I don't get why Mike's gets much more criticism than Earl or Cochran's. Those wins felt much more obvious due to the edit, so even when those players didn't get immunity you knew they were never in any danger of not winning.
Also wish this episode had more people enthused about the season. Both good guests, but after Bloomberg's excellent stumping for Thailand, it's less fun when there's not at least one person beating the drum about how whatever season they're talking about is TOP FIVE BABY.
I personally love this season I think it has similarly trainwreck qualities that make Gabon good.
Cause with Mike's fracking runaway freight train of immunities it was obvious that "well Mike is on fire with challenges, he's gonna win out and win the damn game"
It broke me when Shirin said that Will being such an absolute horrible person will get him farther in the game and it will tank her game. Because she was 100% correct
Another way to fix the auction is hide the advantage in the food. Like in Australian Survivor, someone got an advantage in a jar of jelly beans. You can also hide stuff under plates, in bottles, in sandwiches, napkins, etc. The possibilities are endless.
For once, Gabon is not in the bottom 5 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
I love Gabon
Gabon top 10
I love Gabon! Top 10 season for me. I love how there were so many really big and crazy characters.
shoutout to phil's paddington 2 poster
Has jeff not seen the view counts of the survivor auction clips on youtube? They're in the millions and many ppl in the comments admit that they don't watch that much survivor. Just bring back the auction with no advantages ffs
I enjoyed this win. The physical threats are usually booted before the final 3. The fact that Mike was able to persevere was satisfying. Plus he stuck up for Shireen who yes, was unlikable but still a person.
i didn’t find shirin unlikeable at all
@@kenzzeei104 She milked her “verbal abuse” by will quite effectively, we don’t have actual conflict on the show anymore.
Honestly I really like this season. Top 10 for sure.
This season should not be this low
When I first watched this season I was only 12 years old, so I didn’t remember how much bullying and disgusting behavior there was on this season. I was surprised to see it so low on the list… but on a rewatch, I can see it.
1. Edge of Extinction
2. Worlds Apart
3. Island of the Idols
4. One World
5. Redemption Island
6. Thailand
Winners at war would 100% be better if mike would’ve taken bens spot
And the challenge USA
Could we get links for the polls in the description?
Yes please
I think it's only for patreon.
After rewatching WP, I think 35 is too low. I would probably rank this as 29 or 30. I also don't get the hate for Mike's immunity run. Would it really make the season better if he gets voted out and we'll have a Will/Sierra/Dan/Mama C/Rodney winner? I also want to point out why Phil was confused about Shirin voting for Mama C in the finals. Shirin did said in her speech, she won't be voting for Mike just because he rescued her. And she said she was more impressed by Mama C's stealthy gameplay. So she said she has Mama C's vote. Yet somehow she changed it and voted for Mike instead.
People ranked it show low because it got rid of the auction
That's not really what happened with Shirin. If you rewatch the final tribal council, Shirin says that Mike doesn't have her vote just because of standing up for her...but she uses that as a springboard to examine each of the F3's games. She says that Mama C is in the running, but she never says that Mama C impressed her more or that Mama C had her vote.
I love this season I think its extremely quotable and the villains of the season are complete buffoons that get clowned on as much as possible by the edit making it hilarious.
Listening to this currently and laughing when you guys talk about how “they haven’t done this any other time” referring to production taking down their camp at the merge. And now here we are in the new era and how many seasons have they gone to a new island and had now camp now….wondering if someone on production from survivor went through and listened to all of these and was like “oh yea remember that, let’s bring that into the new era” 😂
Wow I had completely forgotten what a great season this was! I have rewatched most of the older seasons few times, but never really anything from after HvV. But if I ever choose one, it has to be this one. This whole podcast was just endless supply of all time great modern survivor moments that I had completely forgotten :D
This season ranked at #28 for me. A lot of the pre-merge is focused on setting up the storylines that enter the merge, some of them being Joe a challenge threat, Mike vs. Rodney, and people like Dan and Will being somewhat insufferable throughout the season. Even with those storylines being setup for the merge, the merge still found its way to be quite predictable. We knew Joe was going to lose at some point, but we probably didn't think that no one other than Mike could pretty win an individual immunity challenge. Mike's challenge run at the final stages of the season make for a good comeback story, but his mistakes were what got him there in the first place. Granted, most of Mike's moves make sense based on the fact that he was able to sniff out what was going on with Rodney, Tyler, and Carolyn. Mike just didn't always make the smartest move in retaliation, i.e. his move at the auction (although somewhat smart, wish he would've stuck with it). Also, Rodney is such a sour puss throughout the season because he literally did nothing around camp and expected to be handed everything in return, so it didn't surprise me that he lost the final 4 fire making challenge. Overall, this season has its moments, but the problem is so much of the pathetic stuff that happened with Dan and Will dragging people like Shirin in the dirt just hurts this season so much. Although I personally found Shirin to be somewhat annoying at times this season, she still didn't deserve the backlash she got from those people. A season with some good moments, but some more infuriating moments.
I don't think they necessarily portrayed Will as insufferable during the pre merge but I get you
Worlds apart is better than a lot of seasons. This is ranked too low.
Next four seasons have to be: Nicaragua, South Pacific, Caramoan, and Game Changers
Nicaragua should’ve been 39th
Ghost Island is very bad as well. I think think it has a shot at bottom 10.
Ghost Island, All-Stars, and Fiji should probably be low too!
I agree, I think I should've included Ghost Island and HvHvH. I think HHH was a solid season up until the Ben steamroll. Idk if the people that ranked the seasons considered that. I think it will be on the higher side of these 6 seasons I listed.
Honestly a little surprised this season is this "low" on the votes......what i liked about this season was what Jenny didn't like ironically. An old school style winner, in a Blue collar themed season works for me.... And then Mike wins!! Becides good old Tom, Mike wins comps to win the game!! Thats rare. Not Terry, not Ozzy, not even Joe who premiered this season.........No question Rob, Mike over Ben in season 40 and without a doubt a Tony side to him but slightly better at challenges where Tony was better socially. Simular for sure......season 30 is definitely not that bad. There's alot worse. AND YOU KNOW THIS MAN
@@Captain_Subpar I was only using Tom as an example of comparing challenge wins at the end to win. Otherwise I agree with you
Rob C bringing out the FAX with Redemption Island and Thailand being worse than IOI :o
Surprised we havent seen Fuji yet
I’d like to believe me putting Nicaragua as the 4th best season single handedly saved it from being in the bottom 5 😌
Mike a bottom winning from gameplay standpoint but he one my favorite winner to watch on tv
Technically it was tony 3.0 in Winners at war lol
How have we not seen Nicaragua yet
People really voted this over EoE.... literally sickening
Couldn't agree more
Personal: Caramoan
JUSTICE FOR JIM RICE!
This season suffers from a really unlikable cast. Mike isn’t likable at first, Rodney and Dan are unlikable throughout the entire season, Joaquin is... meh, Will is awful after the situation with Shirin, even Shirin is really annoying for most of the season, and all of the likable characters in the merge either go early (Kelly, Hali, Jenn), or are completely eclipsed in the edit (Carolyn, Tyler, Sierra) by gross people. I don’t remember what I ranked this, but it was low - lower than IoI on my list.
Dan = Big Tom
Shirin was pretty unberable the whole season... and its not the edit see her twitter or when she plays sequester.
It shouldn’t have taken until that she heightened the fight with will worse so a degree.
I know Will gave an apology at the reunion but then he tries to force Shirin to forgive her. “I apologize so now it’s up to you to accept my apology” and that was really forced. She has no reason to accept it. Really left a bad taste in my mouth watching it.
shrin shouldn't have been on cambodia
Lol, yep!
Dan is worse than Clay Jordan
He wouldn’t be casted if he was worse than clay.
@@nathandanczak7822If we went by that logic than they shouldnt have casted Dan from island of the idols yet they did. Casting is always a risk. You can't fully expect what you'll see from someone until they are in the environment. 2:21:27
Your wrong serene votes for Mama C
I thought the pre-merge wasn’t too bad. There were some good strategic plays, like Carolyn finding the idol without the clue and being able to convince the white collars to vote So out. I thought I was really going to like the season. But all the likeableness of the cast is out the window when the merge happens. Everyone was just so vile to each other and everyone had such a “know-it-all” attitude even though they were wrong. I didn’t like Mike much at first but he easily shone through all the unlikeable characters, and his edit was obvious. The sexism was a large pill to swallow, and it seemed like all the unlikeable characters kept voting off the decent ones. Definitely a bottom 5 season for me.
I like Worlds Apart but I can't get behind Mike's win, Not because I don't like him but besides his immunity freight train and him playing an idol successfully, he really didn't do anything else. Plus I just wanna say Mike's voice changed ever 10 minutes, I don't know what's up with that but I'm not trying to be rude but that got really annoying. Also I have seen Will's video of him dancing at a gas station that went viral on the internet and it's hilarious
when is china and nicragua coming there both meh
China is regarded by many fans as one of the best newbie cast. I predict it will be in top 10 or 15. So you'll have to wait longer lol
I love Survivor China! 😭