Neon Nerfs Revealed & MASSIVE Ping System Changes (Patch 9.11)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ม.ค. 2025
- The VALORANT devs revealed the following nerfs to Neon going live on Tuesday:
Slide charges decreased from 2 to 1
Removed full accuracy while sliding, will be more similar to the accuracy you have while crouching and moving
Ultimate duration reduced
Ultimate cost increased 7 to 8
Additionally we can expect a few changes to Vyse, notably a buff to her razorvine.
There will also be some pretty massive changes to the ping system:
Pings placed on the mini-map will no longer show up in the real world (e.g. dead teammates can’t ping the bomb for sova ult / post plant spam)(These will still appear on the mini-map of course)
Pings from your POV will still appear in the real world, however will now be blocked by smokes.
New ping sounds added
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Comp when your teammates are no comming is actually going to be impossible now
no it wont
@@wolrereaperit actually will in any elo higher than diamond
@@looklatempete no it won’t
what does this weird word mean? coooming?? thats what i do on r34 not in valorant
@wolrereaper yes it will? Are you stupid or something? The only useful few useful things a non comm teammate does is ping. Especially after they die. Unfortunately, because of your low rank I don't expect you to understand this
Thanks so much Riot for removing an incredibly useful system that did not need to be removed and also taking way too long to nerf a character that’s been plaguing games
NEON ISNT THAT STRONG, its just her perfect slide accuracy, and you def didnt play while chamber was meta
Well ive seen many people complaining about the ping nerfs but take it from the defenders pov. The attackers use mollies and other util to delay the retake and yet they still can spray the bomb after that. This is very unfair for the defenders in maps like heaven where the whole team goes long and retakes become impossible
@KirbosCorneryeah slide is the most unfair thing like imagine just sliding and sprsying with 100 percent accuracy theres a reason even chmaber got nerfed and chamber meta ended
And ye u might still be able to ping bomb urself when it isnt smoked off
thats kinda the point it makes the game more skill based
I think one of the devs got triggered when they got yelled by his team for not ping the spike, so they made it personal 😅
That's next level pettiness, u a dev to a big game and company but u abusing your power. Based honestly but really bad way to react😂
@@friedkittens1906 it's just his 2 cents. Don't think anything is true
Tbh that's one of he best changes they made in a while, it makes it more realistic and more tactical
@@finn-thehuman-mertens It's a fucking video game, it's not supposed to be realistic.
@@Simpl_xity I never said it should be? Me personally I hate too realistic games, but it's not necessarily bad, if certain games become more realistic, than they were before
left neon how she was for 6 months, come back to nerf her, revert her to the point where she's weaker than how she was when she warranted the buffs in the first place with her 3% pick rate, riot really write our stories for us it's genuinely incredible
Shes still better than she was originally before the buffs. These nerfs were much needed
How? She's worse than before the buff. At least before she had two stuns, now she only has one.@@Sai_Zz
@ true her sideways movement 0.5 m/s faster than last time, what a solid agent
That's not entirely true, she isn't worst than before buff :
-Her stun still stun quicker and longer
-She can still pull out her gun faster while sliding, therefore the shotgun neon meta is still on
-She is still quicker running while strafing which was a massive ult buff
-her run stamina replenish still in 20 sec instead of 1 min
@kiwististiher stun has better numbers but that has barely had any perceivable different in how her stun interactions play out, no one was complaining about it before and no one was complaining about it now, the shotgun meta is super situational and clearly not something riot wants to enforce given the raze changes from last time, you only get your ultimate reasonably maybe 4 times or so during a game and a movement buff to that ultimate isn’t very significant since it’s already strong in that aspect
the ping nerf is genuinely just like wtf, nobody said "pinging is too op" before and this might literally be the WORST decision riot has ever made in valorant
I think the ping nerfs are uneeded, Kinda inconvenient now...
how will i mark danger (red ping) now? i will have to use mic more. i am introvert
@@indiankid8601 ikr
@@indiankid8601 indian kid is a crazy username
im pretty sure you can still mark all the four types
@@indiankid8601 me too pings were a lifesaver and now the game is shit for people that are scared to talk
yeah now you kids have to play on site instead of running main 😂😂😂
overkill for every nerf ngl, all that was needed was the slide accuracy nerfed, ping nerf makes absolutely zero sense in 99% of scenarios
ping nerf is very much needed, it should've been like that from day one
I don’t understand why they changed the pings now they won’t be nearly as important for playing
@@tdwilkins9591 what rank you are?
ult nerf is kinda warranted since it was a 40 second ult (sprint duration of 20s with half meter drain time) that refreshed ammo and meter fully on kill, plus it was the only ult that could replace a full buy that costed 7 points (chamber and jett ult for reference)
slide accuracy was i think a unanimous "nerf this" so no one has issues with it
slide charges i think has a similar philosophy to the iso rework nerf where it was too easy to get an extra use of your signature to use on getting 3 easy kills, since you could slide->kill->slide->kill->slide->kill. not as egregious as iso's shield->kill->shield->kill->shield->shield but it's way easier to convert kills instantaneously off of neon slide compared to a yoru tp that needs some setup in certain circumstances
ping nerf messes with the pro play strat of smoking yourself off in main and spamming the defuse since now you need someone on site to stay alive and ping the bomb or put yourself in danger to get the through-wall ping, plus it makes smoking yourself off on bomb more effective since now people can't ping through your smoke. it does make ping less convenient in some scenarios but it's a change that i think riot's gonna keep an eye on just in case
also keep in mind that neon keeps her stronger stun and her adjusted wall that's easier to play off of along with most of her slide changes like gun pullout so she just can't onetap you as easily while tokyo drifting across main
Classic riot tho
I never had a problem with neon having 2 slides, just the accuracy, i feel it should more be used as a getaway and as actual movement rather than just slide and head tap.
bro c'mon neon was busted a LOOOT, RUN AND RUN.... free kills.
@@ruialvis Yeah, but the slide accuracy was what allowed her to get those kills and run away. Her identity is ALL about running and dashing around. 2 slides was fine.
@@ruialvis yeah i agree, just idk if the one less slide was needed, prob just cause im low rank though, neon isnt as bad in low ranks
@@nostekki You just need to find another path to your success, running and gunning was never the right path. In my option. 2 dashing in a pro hands or imo.. is too strong.break the mecanichs game
It makes no sense to give neon 2 slides unless you give jett her second updraft back
I afraid Sova's Hunter's Fury won't work right by pin was removed.
wow youre right i didnt think about that, sova main definitely punching air rn
wait WTF SOVA'S BIGGEST NERF YET???
Also Omen blinds! as an omen main myself I have a habit of pinging grounds so i could flash or tp through the map accurately !
... DAMN
yeah if this goes through sova's ult and omens blind will be really bad if there's even a slight elevation change.
you can see where the beam lands on the map, you can still do that with the spike
1:30 Removing the ping is so dumb.
Why nerf our connectivity Riot, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy???????
lmao the way i thought the same thing 😭
first it's the voice wheel thingy, now the pings??? 😭😭
@@saiko2062 I'm still so salty about that xd
Funnily enough, pro players and high radiants know the maps well enough that they don't need pings to know where the default plant spot is through a smoke, so in competitive this'll probably fix nothing. This only hurts the casual players.
Agreed
But even pro player wont always plant default....if u watch some of the tier 1 team voice comms, they have asked their teammate to ping the spike
Well if they have a line up 😂
pro players have many different plant spots
@@K2Sandy12 exactly, the abilities make it so you cant plant in the ideal spot everytime
the murdered neon in cold blood and now my silver teammates will have an even harder time spamming the spike 👍
Neon still a glue eating character and busted asf. She still goingvto be sliding around with shotguns sniffing drugs
Just carrybyour way out of silver it's not that difficult lol
look how riot gonna revert the ping system as the playerbase will plaguing the comment section like what happen with replay system
same will be with neon nerfs, ig they'll bring back slide
@bhavikjethnani9 for neon im not sure as the most player hate her😂
imagine sova ult post plant 😱
imagine not knowing map, tf are you talking about? are you forgetting what direction the plant is after going away for 10 meters?
@@user-nb3yg5xt9g sometimes elevations are different for different maps , so it will be harder to hit without the ping..
U can look from the minimap
Not only sova, ping spike spam is no longer effective
Wow they really wanted Neon out of the game. Can't have her as a middling agent, gotta have her as a DEAD agent. The bullshit is her slide accuracy, taking that away and also one slide was fine, didn't need to also make her ult worse.
Actually the ult was broken asf. But taking away a slide is just straight bull. Shes almost worse then pre-buff neon now
Can't wait for forced proximity chat next update!
I hope finally Vyse's Ult can give us some infor now. The way her ult work right now can only scare off low elo players 🤣
there was one time where vyse used ult in reponse to my team quick retake
the guy clearly got confused as we come slugging at them with classics
and as their ammo run thin and need to reload, our gun is up and it's instant sweep
@@AgustoPrasisto so you saying that guns are overrated? no need to buy them cos classic can kill too?
Bro they basically just took away a stun and nerfed her ult while bringing her back to the way she was back to when she was horrible
Fr just removed a slide which was so unnecessary
@@Mepolzgive us back one more stun or one more slide
No one is going to mourn Neon not being picked. Remove the agent all together she has no place in a tac shooter. No more buying buckies 😂😂
@@intelligentbot944 the guy got bullied by Buckies and now cries under every comment lmao
@@cloke3076 you’ll have to actually learn to aim now sorry bud
pinging was so useful when teammates dont use comms. There was no reason to remove it
You know whats funny to me ? That all changes that valorant make to the gameplay is merely focusing the pro leagues (which is a very select amount of players) meta or style of play , rather than the whole valorant community
the ping changes is going to wreck lower ranked players with 0 spatial awareness (me)
Riot never ceases to amaze with their terrible changes. We can go back to Jett + Raze being the only actual movement(good) duelists. Nerfing pings makes absolutely zero sense. Why not make communicating with your teammates harder. They couldn't design more than 2 maps where post plant spam isn't the best strat 100% of the time, so adding jank to it will somehow solve all their map making incompetence
so they totally removed physical pings and also made it that physical pings don’t go through smokes. riot?
No com teammates cannot give information now?
Nerfing pings actually tilts the hell out of me, like why?!?? Who asked for this crap??
it seems like a really niche change that was just intended to get rid of spamming through smokes, yet they didnt account for every other negative quality of life changes that come from this update. it makes setting up gameplans extremely irritating, considering now you cant ping the site you want to hit as a team, or highlight choke points on the map. really hypocritical of riot to say that they made this change because they wanted pings to become more communications-based, but really they just got rid of one feature in a lazy way that also severely affected our quality of life in a negative way.
It's fitting that this is patch 9.11 - it's a huge disaster
This caught me offguard
@NormalizeCommonSense so did America
Riot devs are becoming more braindead than ever. Who's the ceo of Riot???
How am i suposted to land ult with sova without ping?
Why do I feel like riot changing unnecessary things that make the game more difficult, and aren't creating the things wee acc need?
It's actually worse than previous neon give my 2 stuns back
yeah at least give back the second stun if you are removing the second dash
They can just nerf the slide accuracy instead they decided to kill the agent completely
Better so
exactly
exactly
The ultimate going from 20 to 10 secs is mad crazy
2:07 yooooo what is this flick
Why do they have to ponder with the ping system. It wont change the meta by much at all
I'm so mad about the ping change my God
We dont neon to be useless, we need that neon wouldnt be op
I thought it was just the slide that was getting nerfed. But the ult nerfs on top of that has just killed the agent for me
If they are reducing slide to 1 then give back 2 stuns....it was like this before and was still struggling...now we get 1 stun and 1 slide??? Why not just remove neon at this point
I wish they would remove her
The ping this is so dumb
I think making neon's ult + dashing with no firing error is balanced, rather than having her dash have no firing error.
that's how it already is, unless you're saying only her slides while she ults have no firing error with any gun in which case doesn't fix neon slide being way too strong in gunplay since it's already hard enough to hit her during those engagements
I was thinking Yay. I can finally get back, then saw the neon accuracy while sliding is not removed and now solo queue is impossible without in world pings so goodbye Valo
Can’t wait for people to not know the ping changes and yell at others for not pinging the spike
No Sova mains were harmed by changes in ping system!
I hope this ping nerf is a temporary bandaid solution while they actually find a way to fix Sunset. If not, Team Heretics starting the whole Sunset B site postplant meta leading to Riot killing the ping system is one hell of a domino effect.
I know the higher ranks aren't as affected by this, but when pings were basically the only form of quick and on-hand communication in lower ranks - and also playing in Asia servers where not everyone speaks the same language - this nerf absolutely sucks.
I could use minimap pings to let my team know where an enemy is, within milliseconds and with precision, if I died from a location I wasn't expecting. We could use pings for using utility for ourselves or the team. And for when we're dead and have nothing else to really contribute, PINGING THE SPIKE. All of that is communication, is it not?
Whether it's lining up utility, or communicating to teammates in lobbies with a lack of comms, or gunfire spam, the ways we've always used pings are not 'gameplay advantages'. We're just using a feature that was always there. The problem was Sunset's map design, and it just became too prominent on that specific map - you can't even really blame Team Heretics for starting it all, they just used an intentional feature to its fullest.
With this kind of mindset from Riot, you might as well remove optimal plant spots, or tapping the plant/defuse, because using intentional features are a 'gameplay advantage'. No one actually benefits from this change.
Honestly for Neon I feel like they could’ve just added stamina but remove its regeneration. No duelist had infinite movement, unless maybe Jett and Yoru but they have to get kills. Maybe give neon some stamina back for 2 kills but apart from that, once she used it all it’s over.
I think she got too many nerfs.
Removing her 2nd slide while not giving her Bolt back guts her personality lol.
@ No I was saying like don’t change anything other than what I said
As someone who been playing FPS with extreme low mouse sensitivity for 20 years, Neon has been a nightmare to deal with.
Lmao I felt I was the only one like that too
As someone who has been maining Neon with extremely low mouse sense, this will not affect that problem, lol
Every nerf on neon is fine except;
= The Ult Cost
• Neon's already needs to be up close and personal to deal substantial damage with his ult. And it's the only way to deal proper damage to her enemies. She's already risking to be upclose and getting easy bodyshotted. (I think reducing it's ammo down to 35 or 30 would be preferable)
= Reduced Slide Charge.
• The thing is they could just nerf the full accuracy shots and maybe increase the slide cost up to 200 is fine for me
They somehow managed to ultra fuck up everything they touch.
Feel like neon needs a stun back or maybe revert wall changes to make her in a good spot
The nerfs are fine, as severe as i was expecting. EXCEPT GIVING NEON ONLY 1 SLIDE AGAIN WITHOUT 2 STUNS LIKE WHY. Im a neon main, even before the buffs, but the reason the slides were busted was the accuracy. I can still understand 1 stun because it is stronger so they wouldnt want to give 2. I will still play neon, but in pro play neons gonna be played almost never, like it was before, and that sucks because the only raze and jett meta is boring as fuck
Istg prx will play neon fr
@@SleepyKynn no now jing got more of a reason to stick with raze.
@@SleepyKynnthey won't, Jing will play Raze/Pheonix where ever and sentinel on maps where neither are good.
Jett and raze actually took skills but neon, slide and kill that is fun to u? But not for me she is ruining games with absolute no skill just slide and kill
@@spookspotlight can we put this "no skill" claim to rest already? She didn't take any less skill than Jett or Raze, actually more because her movement takes quite a bit on its own.
You being infuriated you couldn't respond adequately is not the same as it being 0 skill.
1:55 how do we revert back to the old ping sounds in settings?
The ping changes will need some work. Pinging the map from dead is cooperative, teamwork based, and if the complaint is pinging the spike for spam well ultimately that's still knowledge the team can have, by using standard plant spots, by using other visual references or by informing the team beforehand. I understand removing something that might give knowledge that can't be had otherwise, so you wouldn't put kill cams in a tac shooter for example, but it makes less sense to make it more inconvenient when that information is otherwise available.
Alright that's one of the worst changes in valorant history personally
My idea for it would be one slide perfect accuracy. Two slides bad accuracy. One slide crouch and move accuracy but they give back the stun ball thing
Ping nerf? time to switch games, beauties of strinova I'm coming.
Honestly after whats happned with chamber jett and now neon to me it just seems that riot doesnt know how to properly balance their characters Ive been playing neon since she dropped way back in ep 4 and she just had a decent skill floor (similar to Zeri in league) and took some level of mastery (and luck) to be good with her qnd its honestly become apparent that these nerfs were made for pro play and its never been about the the 95% of players playing comp or unrated pro play shouldnt be effecting casual players this much and the ping rework speaks for it self
I played neon after this nerf and out of everything I just hate the ult duration SO MUCH
The time is so damn small and that too with 8 points needed
People like to quote clove's ult or other agents' ult times but you gotta realize what each of their ult gives, clove's ult gives you a whole new life, raze's ult is a direct kill, while neon's ult is something that is just a weak gun without firing error that allows you to shoot while moving, it's good but at just 10s coupled with the fact that it needs a "reload" so often it's basically useless in comparison to that of other duelists.
Are you kidding me? I used to use the ping on the map to know exactly where to peek. I used to ping places on the map so i can hover over on my mouse and shoot there. its super useful to peek but now its just gone.
so you do that before every peek? seems inefficient and slow
@ Actually, you get really fast with it. Also not always. I only do it on weird angles like that one angle on icebox thats hard to predict
Quitting the game if pings get removed.
They messed up since the beginning just could have given her 2 stuns faster equip time or whatever they did with her stun instead of making 2 slides and whatever they did to the rest kit she would have been fine
wow riot u killed neon just like cypher and viper
Perfect
they were a bit overtuned to begin with bro
I honestly believe that riot devs don’t even play valorant at this point. They don’t know how to balance agents and just butcher them.
Is Cypher dead???? HOW? He has 30% pick rate in the game😂 I'm curious how dead harbour is for you😂
@@wolrereaper now they overtuned the nerfs, i woulda been fine w half the nerfs they dropped but this shit is too much
Either the devs got bullied by people due to the ping system or some idiot was crying cuz he has no brain to counter post plant ping spam as a defender for these stupid ping changes
Ping nerf before deadlock buff is crazy
I think removing the slide makes neon worse than she was pre buff, since she only has one slide and one concuss, rest of the changes were need though
i think the neon accuracy makes neon, neon. but then for me the way to nerf her is reduce the ult damage multiplier
yea and allow her to only play cod while others dont? lmao everytime she pops ult=free ace. (because once again requires 0 skill to aim due to 100% accuracy when sliding) atleast jett's knives require skill and raze' ult needs to have satchelling skill (timing skill too cause if you're bad at it you'll get killed in the air) while neon is just strafe strafe spam hold click slide
So essentially smoking bomb for diffuse = auto win of the round?
fine with every nerf besides the 2 to 1 charges sad about that one there seems to be enough backlash tho giving her either one slide back or a stun
As a neon main I don’t really see the slide nerf as a problem but i do see the ping nerf as a problem
Why changing the ping ?????
0:47 Valorant Brazil said it’s going from 20 to 10 seconds
Removing 1 slide without bringing back the wall is fucking diabolical like at least bring back a stun
and riot somehow found a way to nerf people and their comms
So we are back in the Jett/Raze meta, so refreshing... Reducing Neon slides charges was so unnecessary, they just basically nerfed her ability to clear corners and make space for teammates. Can't wait to only face 2 duelists again!
When is the night market coming?
Can you like do a video where you try to spam the spike without pings and see how constantly you can do it and how fast you got the hang of it?
Neon still has that movement speed buff she got all those patches ago so shes not completely gutted. But taking a slide AND removing accuracy makes her signature ability pretty shit compared to other agents. They shouldve done one or the other
Atleast give her stun back..
The upcoming state of neon is worse then before buffs. She had 3 precent pick rate before buffs and now shes becoming even worse then before buffs. Im expecting 1-2 precent pickrate.
@ but 2 stuns with the extra range to the radius is kinda nuts she needs to be reverted
i dunno whether im happy about the neon nerf, or mad about the ping changes...
didnt even give her 2 stun back
i am a bit sad about the ping nerf but , its gonna be great in VCT tho. I bet pros are happy about this.
They could have just changed it for tournaments.... No comms, no pings low elo will be hell now.
They ain't all so as mains gonna get 😡 shit useless change like always riot is lazy in skins and updates
Honestly i doubt Pro players that spend Hours and Hours in da game dont know exactly where to spam at this point.
I dont even play the game anymore but seeing 4 neon nerfs made my day.
honestly i dont mind with the 2 slide the problem is never that is just the shooting while sliding neon other abilities is never a problem not even the 2 slides maybe the ult is pretty srtong but other than sliding while shooting and her ultimate everything else fine
If TenZ complaints about neon sliding, what chance have you got?
So if I got it right I can still ping in game without map and that ping will show on minimap and I will still be able to communicate with my team mates that way? Only the map pings are removed?
If you ping using the map, it wont show up in the game, only on the radar/minimap thing
Fo what ever they want, but just bring the older comms wheel. I really miss that 😭😭😭😭
everyone can just go to settings and switch to old ping system I hope
Only in custom
I have a doubt here, i know dead teammate's ping won't be visible to me but can I ping for myself or that shit will no longer be visible too? 🤔
Community so pissed over a game mechanic they had to Nerf neon
1 step forward followed immediately by three steps back classic riot
What happened to harbour buffs?
Riot is so stupid. Being able to ping when dead is a fundamental part of the game even at the highest level
Bucky Judge neon still will be a pain...
so... we are basicly undoing the neon buff and removing the ping system????
nah not undoing. Rather were undoing and nerfing her
Nerf nerf nerf Neon.
Why is neon over nerfed now..
damn, the 911 patch really removed the twin towers too
Welp there we go no more neon main for me 1 slide
1 slide, without getting 2 stuns...
every player complaining about the slide nerfs just didnt know that you could already do 3 slides with OG neon. just learn some neon tech and your slides will be back.
making neon worse then she was pre buff is actually insane
When are deadlock and harbour buffs coming?
goodbye neon one tap slides while i'm holding angles with op 😂