Natalie Sabanadze - Georgia's Maidan Style Protest Pushing Back Against Putinisation of its Politics
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- Natalie Sabanadze is Senior Fellow of the Russia and Eurasia Program, at Chatham House. Natalie was Georgia’s Ambassador to Belgium, Luxembourg, and the EU and head of the Georgian mission to the European Union in May 2013. Prior to assuming her current position, Sabanadze worked as the senior adviser to the OSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities in The Hague. She held a number of posts with the OSCE HCNM, including head of Central and Southeast Europe section and more recently, head of Eastern Europe, Caucasus, and Central Asia section.
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I bet according to this law, Russia will never be considered a "foreign agent"
Yup…
Got it in one.
Of course not! Bidzina Ivanishvili, the founder of the Georgia Dream and the mastermind of this draft bill made his fortune in Russia. He`s 5 billion dollars according to Forbes.
@@eagleeye182 funny how the original communist nations now rule soley thru money-power, and in russia's case, severe graft kleptocracy, with Poo-tin actually being defacto, by far and away, the only truely rich person on the planet, with control of supposedly over 300B if not 500B. No one knows bcuz the level of sophistication of what modern accounting services plus the only large secret police org on earth plus money-laundering needs & abilities of many entities in russia, (which apparently was also a thing during USSR)- and u get the real thing, i.e deeply corrupt entrenched group of a few hundred to a few thousand ppl controlling 140M ppl and trying to menace the world & actually able to successfully disrupt the world economy.
Russia doesn't have NGOs, they have actual old-school agents and spies.
So proud of the brave people of Georgia 🇬🇪
They learned life is so much easier when you just do what Washington tells you
For anyone who hasn’t been to Georgia, this billionaire has a Dr. Evil style mansion overlooking the capital. It’s bonkers
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This is how you conduct a brilliant interview. Let the person speak their minds. Thanks!
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Yeah he's one of the best interviewers I have seen. Soft spoken, easy lead in. No interrupting. A lot of people out there could learn.
@@alexdemoya2119 yep he's sooo excellent! And the braint-trust treasure-trove of interviews these past two years is like nothing i've ever heard/seen in all my years of study, & of learning current socio-political affairs, after originally studying formally in D.C. in the USa.
What a wonderful, interesting woman. Thank you so much for introducing us to Natalie Sabanadze. I loved this interview. Prayers for Georgians. 🥰🙏
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What a fantastic guest!
Thank you, Jonathan, for inviting such a great guest! It was a very insightful conference. 🇬🇪 🇺🇦 👍
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I'm very glad to hear from someone who is in the Georgian resistance
Georgia fights on.
Seeing Georgians wave an EU flag on protests fills me with an sense of solidarity and hope.
Putin's bandits are already openly threatening Independent Georgia that they will send in troops and crush the resistance of the Georgian people on the streets. And where is the reaction to this from the United States and Europe?
If the Georgian uprising will be suppressed, it will be solely the fault of the insufficient reaction of Europe and the United States.
just like they allowed Russia to attack Georgia in 2008 and occupy part of it. At the same time, without punishing Russia in any way. And now both Ukraine and Georgia must deal with the consequences of the West’s indecisiveness back then.
i love peoples who value freedom over security/authority. very well put. thank you for the interview with this beautiful lady.
Why are they hell bent on joining the EU if they value freedom so much.
@@whylie74 Freedom: it has been proved possible for a member state to leave the EU without in the process becoming subject to artillery, missile and drone attacks on cities, armour and infantry incursion across ones borders, or EU-orchestrated assassination attempts against leading figures of the leave movement -- unless I inexplicably slept through such events during years between 2016-20, which seems unlikely.
What a brilliant and captivating Lady, Ms. Sabanadze. I could not take my eyes from her. Great interview.
Thanks for clear and on point info.
Chatham House! 👍. Keep going, and going. Good discussion.
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Jarosław Kaczyński's Law and Justice party tried exactly the same in Poland, but lost power following elections in October, 2023. There were similar though more peaceful demonstrations in Poland in the 2015-2023 period, in opposition to the autocratic direction of Law and Justice. I wish Georgians all the best, corrupt national populist autocracy can be defeated. However, as everywhere, democratic forces must ensure that they have sufficient rural/small town support, because the level of urban mobilisation can be misleading if the silent non-metropolitan majority supports authoritarian autocracy. It's "Somewheres" versus "Anywheres".
LOL, Tusk election funded by American Democratic Party which is in Alliance with Soros and WEF goons. Same people funding UNRA-Hamas. Not going to get Real Freedom from these groups for sure. Just because they oppose Putler does not make them a good answer.
Good Luck Georgia in achieving your goals.
And thank you for fighting in Ukraine.
Listening a second time.
To let it sink in. Well spoken she is.
The message coming over loud and clear.
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Was looking forward to info on this topic. Thank you.
What a pleasure! This woman is so bright and easy to understand!
Keep going Georgia!. Keep the energy up. When the orange revolution kicked off every single Ukrainian had turned into a stinging bee from a worker bee. Senior people were tying ribbons around trees on roads - towns, cities, villages.. yellow and blue were flying everywhere. My mum was complaining that Kherson city mall had run out of the ribbons. lol
My uncle's small village had collected very small donations from each family in the villages just to cover the cost of petrol for a coach to represent their village in Kiev and it was enough. Ukrainians in Kyev was all busy housing for free Ukrainians on the streets and feeding them and caring for them. Just taking them by hand and taking them home. The society had truly formed into one movement. I was raising alarms with UK newspapers -putting my PR course into action. There is something everyone can do. You only have one lousy oligarch to sort out. Who does he thinks he is to be deciding for the entire nation?
Glory to Georgia. ❤❤🤍🤍 Slava Ukraini
💙💛 Ukrainian Spirit 💪
The Georgians were probably the first ever in the USSR to get away with an huge anti-Soviet protest in 1978 in Tbilisi. The Brezhnev government covered it up sop hardly anyone in the USSR knew abut it back then. - "On 14 April 1978, demonstrations in Tbilisi, capital of the Georgian SSR, took place in response to an attempt by the Soviet government to change the constitutional status of languages in Georgia. " - Pro-R.S.F.S.R. ruzzians also started the trouble in Abkhazia that is a problem to this day.
@@irongron Go back a bit further, to 9 March 1956, when the first resistance to the USSR started! 👍
All the spin in the world will not change the fact that the democraticly elected government of Ukraine was over thrown in a murderouse coup d'etat and that's how history will remember you.
The president of Ukraine had to climb out a window and the Ukrainian constition was thrown out the same window. The American under secretary of state Victoria Nueland boasted that she had bought Ukraine for $5 million...she BOASTED
@@anibbotson Yea, Budapest, Hungary, but that was in the Warsaw pact and was suppressed very violently. The Georgian protest in 1978 was actually in the USSR proper and they seemed to get away with it to some extent.
Love your work!! 💙💛💙💛
🇺🇦🙏🇺🇸💪 you are doing tremendous work, Jonathan 🙏
I've just seen a FB post by the Latvian president, saying "My solidarity with the people of Georgia and their struggle for their European dream". Thank you for the great interview, Jonathan!
Baltic states stand for freedom of all from Putin’s clutches. Greetings from Estonia.
Thank you, Jonathan. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
❤❤❤What can we do to encourage Georgia people ?
Great interviews
Thanks Jonathon
What a great discussion, Jonathan. Keep up the good work.
Keep fighting. Exactly what happened to my country Venezuela. Start with a democratically elected government to end in a corrupt dictatorship.
Interesting talk - I've been hoping you would cover Georgia since the mainstream press is the UK seems to be ignoring it even more than Ukraine. I hope the people of Georgia can avoid falling into Putin's grasp.
💛💙💜💙💛 vicious storm out tonight. But I'm here, listening uninterrupted 😊 warm and dry.
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Thanks J.
Great interview and interviewee.
WOnDERFul interview.
Hi, Jonathan! Please correct the mistake in the header: not 'Maiden' but 'Maidan'.
Done! Thanks.
Thank you very much for this interview!
We have a day of family strength in Georgia and we go out in every Citys to protect our nation 🇬🇪🙏🙏🙏
Thank you, Jonathan, for this very interesting conversation with Natalie Sabanadze. I hope, Georgia will not be left alone, like Ukraine after Maidan, so we can welcome Georgians into the EU soon.
🇺🇦 Перемоги і миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
thank you Jonathan for this insightful and relevant interview with the great Natalie Sabanadze
FREEDOM To SAKARTVELLO!!!!
Does Georgia have someone or several people that the polity would replace the autocrst?
Totally enjoyable interview.
Great conversation. Stay strong, Georgia!
I just assume that the title meant to say "Maidan style"?
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There are similar talks about "foreign agent law" in Slovakia...
People of Georgia will prevail. Romans, Persians, Mongols have come and passed. One puny oligarch is no match for us!
Onwards to Europe! ✊
Good, informative interview! Thanks Natalie. ❤
9:13 One more reason to kick Hungary out of the European Union.
Many seem to think that EU membership protects countries against democratic backsliding. This is obviously not true, proven by several countries, first and foremost, Hungary.
European countries becoming more authoritarian is an issue we have to deal with, but we can deal with it better when the union does not have members that are actively trying to sabotage it.
Funny because Hungary wants to leave but EU keeps handing out Money to stay.
The stakes are simply too high right now.
I think it would send a clear message to members and aspiring members if we stood firm and upheld our principles:
Democracy and the rule of law.
Better Hungary pissing about than another Belarus. The EU should also increase qualified majority voting and work to bolster governance, security, democratic mechanisms and effective policy processes.
@@olliestudio45I honestly don't think so because unless we scare them straight, other countries like Slovakia will take heed; that they can keep receiving EU money and simultaneously scupper democratic processes inside the EU. This is a huge incentive for corrupted leaders of Orban's ilk.
@@3029dzHungary can make like the UK and leave at any time.
Interesting discussion thank you for bringing it. Letting Russians into Georgia after 20% of the country was invaded was a very bad idea. Georgians are brave and wise I hope that they prevail against their Russian puppets
I have thought for a while that Natalie is a cutie. Will hear the audio version later. Thanks, Jonathan!
Very, very interesting! I do hope these protests will be covered more by western media. Go Georgians!
Interesting
Excellent interview long live the people of Georgia free and independent from the Moscow tyrant
This was a really good video, really explained what is going on in Georgia
Thanks Jonathan 😊. This doesn't sound good for our children. Keep up your guys great work 👍
beauty and brains. what a treat may I introduce myself
Nation of Georgia: bravely protesting for freedom, fighting Putin's autocracy.
Georgia USA: Thinks Moscow Marge is great.
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Overstay there Wellcome. That hit home strongly
The simulation is broken, etc. 😔
Thank you, Jonathan. I would like to know what is the % of pro Russian and definitely pro Georgian people (and maybe cityzen who are hesitant or don't care). And how many Russians there are in Georgia right now? It's because in newspapers there are many headlines like "Georgia is now gone ..." and so on.
Still do not know how georgia could possibly be considered Europe. Has minimal historical connection to Europe, doesnt border any countries in the EU, has much more ties to iran and turkey than any eu nation
So? We in the West value ideas. Not where you were born.
By European, they mean in values. Japan is even part of the west now!
What are "European values?" Can Argentina join the eu? What about Azerbaijan?
Keep going Georgia
and, to all this concerning mess arising again = there's Scholzes prudence stubborness on top !!
Freedom for Georgia (from Russian interference)
Nothing surprising here.
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Wait did she say the leader of Georgia lives half his time in France!,,,! But he wants to be in Putin pocket😮
Dear Natalie, what I enjoyed in your thoughts is something that's rarely present in nowadays political discourse. It is how the democracy can turn naturally into an autocracy, in a very creepy way. What has happened in Georgia. But, quite surprisingly for maybe many observers, may happen in the countries like Poland with the so-called pro-EU new government elected in October 2023. The new goverment succeeded to destroy the media independence, to produce legal anarchy by appointing people on non-existing unconstitutional positions in topmost legal system. Supported fully by the EU and the ruling elite in Brussels. So, there are many recipes and I suspect that these have been tested by the Georgian Dream. Poles are quite similar to the Georgians in their mindset. Funny enough.
She described Project 2025 in the United States. Basically Putin is trying to accomplish the same things all over the world, including the United States.
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At 18:32, “Now there’s another very interesting case …”
This is exactly what Project 2025 is.
You are really going after the truth.Good Work.
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MGGA … Make Georgia Great Again 🇬🇪🇬🇪
No, just no. Do you understand what MAGA stands for? It represents the ideology the Georgians are protesting AGAINST.
@@reaperbsc the nuance you misunderstand is a sea change in perception that MGGA really means “ kick Russians out”, in fact MAGA is becoming “ kick Russians out”, too.. just look around and you will see good things happening
It was written by Dugin. Putin & Dugin share the same ideas.
Within the Kremlin propagandists community, Dugin is seen as The n1 Guru, and "Putin's closest advisor", quote.
I really don't understand why Dugin is usually dismissed as extremely influencial.
His ideas sound surreal, lunatic, the white bearded crazy man, hard to grasp... doesn't fit a respectable image? Yet, HE IS extremely influencial.
Dugin is the one writting down the ideologic base of Putin's spiel. Goes back to the 1990s, before Putin's rise.
1997 Dugin published the book still being used as the base for Russia's Imperial Plan "4th Political Theory", the "Multipolar World".
Just recently, 2024 Jan/Feb, they translated the book to portuguese, and are activelly advertising it.
Same for other languages.
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Pls read US Law, you will be astonished:)
At how different it is you mean?
Georgia HAS to be helped to be free of Russian menace too. Russian invasion was appalling, and the West’s weak reaction to it. Turkey is a hybrid regime..almost.
The world is a wonderful place! We, too, are Caucasians. I must admit I belong to quite a few "foreign agent" NGOs like Medicine sans Frontiers, Amnesty International, UNHCR, Greenpeace, Getup etc, the kind criminalised by the Kremlin, and proud of it.
Why does it matter whether or not the CIA is agitating protests when those protests favor freedom and democracy? Are freedom and democracy not worth having if only because they are promoted by foreign agents? No, of course not.
Do you really think the US (CIA) will bring freedom and democracy to those protesters? Ask the people of all those numerous other states that experienced the US foreign policy dream...
We have in many other countries, so yeah. I do.
Russia and the US have identical Foreign Agents laws which protect them from subversion from foreign-funded agencies. The Georgian government must have a mechanism for protecting Georgia from being used as a Western Proxy to threaten Russia and in so doing avoid the backlash of Russian aggression which would be the worst nightmare of all. I find it extraordinary that the Georgian youth appear blind to the consequences of their actions when they have a parallel in Ukraine.
A bit long winded and slightly boring, but I'm beginning to like her!!
At the very end the question is begged, so, why then did they reintroduce this law? (Yes, power makes stupid. But that stupid? Smells like stupid Putin has a plan with Georgia.)
US Trump is the same shit.
Stop your lies. The same law exists in the US.
So Georgians are protesting against transparency of financing of foreign NGO's?
Georgians want an Western style democracy, then why are they demonstrating against a law which is exactly a type of US law (see FARA act)? The US has this Law much longer than Russia.
It’s not like the US version of the law, though. The US law is specifically about organizations & individuals who lobby the government. Georgia’s proposed law is closer to iterations of Russia’s. It targets based on funding, not on the purpose of the organization & has a provision allowing the government to ban organizations it deems too foreign, not just inform the public of their funding sources.
You are trying hard.
Try harder 😊
Goto be better- or its donetsk for you. Troll like the wind.
I guess unlike Europe, Georgians like the idea of
seperate mens and womens bathrooms.
Georgia is european and North Atlantic country?? This women has to go back to elementary school. The very same law is in power in the USA. Its called the FORA act . Read it and learn.
The US law & the Russian one are very different. Read it & learn, then stop spreading disinformation.
Another one....
Try harder 😊
It can be considered European, nobody really knows where Europe ends. Some geographers place it in Europe. Its neighbour Armenia was one of the first countries in the world to officially adopt Christianity, so that gives it some shared history with Europe.
Russian government troll go home.
Europe stops where Asia and Africa start, read up. Georgia is in Europe. A huge part of Russia is in Europe.
Waiting for the "russia we need your help" message from the ruling party.