Adorea - Souboj - Duel.mpg
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Where is sound?
@@alexandrsolovyan6128 Its covered by youtube :/
@@AdoreaOlomoucoh ... Such idiots (TH-cam)
@@AdoreaOlomouc :(
in a web site , can i fine the original version?
What's the music you used for the video?
According to the _"Code Duello,"_ once a challenge has been accepted, _Honour_ could be satisfied in one of several ways. 1) Both parties showing up and agreeing Honour as been satisfied by the meeting. 2) After the _pose and flex_ routines, one party may realize he is greatly out match and apologize. This may also include a few _thrust and parry_ maneuvers. 3) first blood from torso. Obviously a wound between the clavicle and waist. If the wounded party wishes to continue, a second torso wound would require the seconds to stop the duel. If the wounded party inflicts a torso wound on the other party, the combatants may agree to end the duel. If not, it becomes a _fight to the death._ At this point both parties chances of survival are greatly reduced by the likely hood of infection. Rarely did one of both actually die on the field, but rather later. Sometimes hours, or even days. The end of the fight didn't necessarily mean the end of the duel. See the movie *_"The Duelists"_*
Thanks a lot. This should be the top comment. It explains the video.
but this is a book from 1777 what happens in the xvii to xv centuries?
@@rafaelparra1260 Duels were mostly prohibited by royal authority by those times. Varies by the country ofcourse.
@@jaxirraywhisper741 went on in the 20th century. Famous Aldo nadi fought one
Just watched that movie today. Easily one of my favorites now.
to those too focused on the swordplay: The guy with the short hair is the guy challenged the guy with the long hair to a duel. Thats why he got to pick swords. the traditional ritual follows before the fight
the guy
by grabbing his sword the long haired guy essentialy said "let us compare our fencing abilities" Thats why its more theatrical in the beginning. Its a show off. they do this before fighting for real to give each other a chance to surrender, if they found out that the gap was too big. then the guy with the short hair end the fight by getting in a chekmate position, showing that he wants to go for real.
you see this as they are both more careful with their moves. thats the real deal. the short hair guy plays smug by doing the timeout/yield gesture(you the lords looking each other like "holy shit your son dishonored you by yielding?" And the other is like "wait. My boy is not a quitter." then the short haird guy plays the "just a prank bro" card dick move by moving to just drink some wine. Note that they kept facing like some "I explicitly believe that you are a deceiving and dishonorable man" insult or maybe indicating that the duel isnt over yet"
duels could end on the first blood. The long haired guy did this by delivering very gracefully an indisputable first blood blow.
duels could also and on out of comission. the short haired guy did just that. his sudden continual of the duel was basically him saying "anything goes from now on.", whiich is why nobody reacts to the long haired guy attacking from behind. From now on it is a fight to the death. sadly, when two animals of the same species fight to the death, most times they both die, no matter how fancy they go about it
note: english is my second language so anyone who wants to repost it with better grammar is free to do so. I dont care about likes. I wrote this comment just because I want people to see how many details the creators put in this.
nice
@@lastmanstanding5423 thanks!
@@jojogothic no... no... thank you bro...
I'd missed a lot of nuance there before your comment...
Actually I went back after reading your comment and watched the whole fight again...
was even better...
@@lastmanstanding5423 wow, now I feel slightly proud :3
Your English is good, and your points are all correct.
I like how the seconds are just "Welp, looks like they killed each other. Drink?"
LOL, LOVE it!
GWENT?
Terrible seconds... but thats children, is why you NEVER appoint your second in line/in command as your second for a duel...
Afterall seconds were meant to be both witnesses, referees/referee assistants and ultimately meant to step in when it appeared that the duel was getting out of hand.
Like with this one... after that stab to the stomach it was rather obvious that this combatant wouldnt survive without immediate attention.
And to be honest he won in the end only because he threw himself with utter disregard for his own life...
An honorable way for both of them to die, but a waste afterall. (then again its just a movie... otherwise that loss would be even greater if the world lost two glorious renacters and HEMA practitioners XD )
Dirty Duck?
@@MajorCoolD The second tries to step in but the duelist waves him away
It seems the two gentlemen have killed each other, oh well. What are you doing for lunch?
Great mentality.
For lunch, I eat babies. )
if they died from those pokes I'll be disappointed
Yes. Take the wine and let's go.
@@webmotors9149 Lord (Jesus Christ, the Son of God): My heart aches when the ones who I govern live in the midst of sin.
They do not even know it is sin until the sins they commit pile higher and become a tall strong tower.
But I will forgive everyone who breaks down their tower, becomes cleansed, and comes to me.
Your pains are my pains.
Your suffering becomes my suffering.
Everyone who lives in the midst of sin, quickly repent and come back to me.
My path is straight and my bosom is wide and deep.
I have expressed all my love for mankind.
Repent sincerely so that you will not go to Hell.
"After a knife fight the loser is ash, and the winner is charcoal" -- Indonesian saying
That is wise
I heard one years ago, i dont remember where it came from but it went: “when two tigers fight, one of them will die that day, the other will die that night”.
Something to that effect. Hell, it could have been lions, lol, i dont remember. Similar idea, though.
There's a similar Western saying that goes: "The loser of a knife fight dies on the street, the winner dies in an ambulance".
For your information: The original language for the proverb is "Menang jadi arang, kalah jadi abu". Roughly translated into "The winner be charcoal; The loser be ashes" (the context is a fight).
@@ThejollyFrenchman hahahaha
This is the most gentleman-ish video ever made.
I agree Sir. *bows*
***** Tea and biscuits?
Gentleman'ish is right. I been making films for a long time but cannot really hit the gentlemen parts right.
Wise Warrior's Path 2 I see Sir. Would the Gentleman like to persue the Newspaper?
The only way they could have made it more gentlemanly is if the seconds had tea afterwards, as they went over the events together in the Queen's English.
Some of the best I've seen in years, it's a shame Hollywood thinks they can replace us fight directors with stunt coordinators, the two are not the same thing, whilst I appreciate the latter for what it is, people who's expertise is in stunts rather than the sword don't really understand what goes into fighting and their work becomes more stuntlike than how a fight should look.
This is why I appreciate more videos like this, it shows me that our position is not dead, Fight on Guys.
ChaoticNarrative that or they use very "film friendly" martial arts. Like wushu and then they exaggerate those moves and we end up with what happened in revenge of the sith...que all the ridiculous gifs that came about because of the obi Ani fight
ChaoticNarrative ... The Dualists is much more realistic.
@@3daypriest Love the Duellists, beautifully shot and it had some wonderful duels, that's what happens with the Director(in this case; Ridley Scott) has a good eye and knows what he's trying to convey, story wise and a great fight choreographer; William Hobbs, Hobbs was renounded for his approach to sword fights, unless asked otherwise; they were truly that; a FIGHT.
@@ChaoticNarrative it's funny you mention Hobbs as I was thinking how much like The Duellists as well as both The Three and Four Musketeers this little set-to looked to me. If I had to label it, I guess it would have to be European Martial Arts. Works for me.
@@mgmmaze The latest Adventures with Rey was worse......one of the red guards is seen to be pulling his blow, ALOT in the throne room fight.
I like how the duel devolved from two equal fighters having a gentlemens duel into the two of them jabbing and slashing eachother a lot more harshly than before
I think it real. The first bout of thrust and parry with caution and discipline, but then as strikes take effect comes pain, fatigue then almost desperation to make a killing blow.
Not sure if you're into wuxia, but the ending of House of Flying Daggers is the same way. With Chinese dao instead of smallswords.
It often occured that at the certain moment a duelist realized that he was mortally hit, and he had nothing to lose, and then he decided to fight madly to the end...
@@michaelsmathers1610 Wu Xia is a fantasy genre isn't it, with magics and the likes? They are not in any way comparable to the grounded historical category.
@@wouldyouliketomeetkenbamba9495 you're thinking of xianxia, wuxia is more three kingdoms stuff, still exaggerated but no magic
04:59 I love how one of the seconds is worried about the safety of the fighters, and the other one is all "tsk... tsk.... don't stop them man, this duel is bitchin'"
At least they didn't die on carpets. That would be nearly impossible to clean.
this comment should get more likes ! epic
Hahaha
I was thinking the same thing😂
Luke Amparo to be fair, the small sword is an apt dueling weapon since the wounds are not nearly as messy (as in clean up, piercing is statistically more deadly then cuts,) as most of the bleeding stays internal. They really did think about the plight of the upholstering when they decided to duel to the death.
@@midshipman8654 Ah yes. The ingenuity to construct weapons of a more *civilized* age. It would be plebian to fight with any other *brutish* weapons.
Weapons made by and for the gentleman I must say!
I went to see a dual, and a violin concerto broke out.
No, you went to see a duel!
It was part of Vivaldi's Le Quattro Stagioni; l'Inverno if I'm not mistaken. :)
How did you spell duel wrong?
@@thebleedingbaron by being good at fencing and no studying literature
:)
Love the escalation. Nicely choreographed.
Musketeer hats, fencing, high boots, folias. I love this era.
Look like damn cowboy knights. With muskets, cowboy hats, swords, and armor.
Best of all worlds.
Shame the west is losing its logo...
Hey its Spain and Spain conquered California so maybe a Spanish hat has something to do with a cowboy hat
Cowboy knights... That's good one
@@BraydenLondon88 That's quite a statement, considering that Cowboys were prominent in the Mid-West, and not in California, where Prospectors were far more prominent.
Not saying you're wrong, because I don't know, but I do know that Cowboys weren't as prevalent in California Culture, where Natives, and Asians, were mostly found.
You aren't wrong though about the style above being Spanish though.
folias??
Man. This channel makes me wish for more realistic fencing in modern media. These fights are much more exciting than the rather silly ones we see in movies and television. The speed in which the combatants move makes the threat much more real and their skill makes it a lot more interesting to watch. Maybe one day someone will take note of this and incorporate it into the mainstream.
the movie Alatriste with Vigo Mortensen is considered to be one of the most accurate regarding fencing.
They used to : Rathbone and Flynn in Robin Hood.
Come to German and see students fight real fights with sharp swords. Less elegnt, less deadly, but the only remaining real sword fights...
funny when you look at films from the 50s, they actually trained fencing in the old days if required to do it on set.
a fencing master was always the creator of the battle.
The lesson here? Never drink while cosplaying with real swords around.
If it's historic it's not called cosplay, cosplay is when dressing up as a character from a film, series or video game, this is neither.
also if you opponent shows you up without hurting you.... maybe dont poke him like a jackass XD
@@yarugatyger1603 I believe you missed the humour intended in the comment by @[ deathrodamus ]...
This fight just goes to show that not every fight has to have a beginning, middle, and end with a Victor. Sometimes it just ends with a drink
The part that surprised me the most was the description. I thought this was a scene taken from a movie, very quality content indeed.
A detail here:
Since the short-haired duelist is taken to be more brash, proud and treacherous, his second seems to have a similar personality, and is willing to see the fight an end. The long-haired duelist's second, seems to prefer a defeat, even at the loss of honor, and the life of his friend.
When the short-haired duelist dies, his second shows little sadness. He seems to take just "a part of living the life" kind of attitude.
Yes, short-haired guy seems to the challenger and to be be more fierce. Actually, he would be probably mortally wounded at 4:05. Later, when there was a difference between seconds attitudes, his second probably realized that his friend was going to die anyway, so he preferred to not interrupt the combat. Being already fatally hit, you would try to continue to retaliate, and (preferably) make your opponent die first. And such was the action of short-haired duelist, and he obtained his last goal: took his opponent with him and even make the long-haired guy die first.
My favorite reconstruction of a duel.... What a grace! An a very real point: the harder you were injured and the less you had to lose, the more fierce was your counterattack ...
We apologize to all our fans, it is true, we unfortunately had to replace the sound track for this video, because of copyright issues, and it coud have been deleted. Thank you for your understanding. We made the video a long time ago and did not know back than, that it could couse such a problem. With our more recent videos we are careful not to get in the same trouble.
wait but is there an actual fighting track? also 04:00 is sick~~~
@@qs987 Hi sorry we dont know.
It is from TH-cam library, Last song is Invitation to the Castle Ball
@@AdoreaOlomouc but this your work? does it has og fighting audio?
That was driving me crazy I thought I was losing it ...I did like the old music better but I understand you had to do it
The choice to keep the music in the foreground while the particulars of the conversation and action were turned down was a nice touch. It made it feel like watching a historical event from afar.
Normally, the loser died immediately and the winner died a week later from sepsis.
Donald Badowski depends. Often duels were only to first blood, or it’s over so quickly that only one man has a wound.
Well, that sure takes the glory out of it!
I remind a story from a french swords master who fought a peasant who was actually 5 leagues under him in swordsmanship but was hit by a wrap around. a peasants trick. His leg was bleeding hard and he asked not to be treated by a doctor because he did not want to live on with this shame.
Non-critical injuries from blades usually healed well enough, even _long_ before anything resembling modern medicine (roman surgeons had extremely good documented track records when it came to putting wounded gladiators back on their feet, for example). The real problem was arrows and later on firearms, both of which had a tendency to push dirt and pieces of clothing (or armor) deep into the wound where they'd act as seeds of infection, as well as causing a lot of deep, internal damage under the surface where blood flow wouldn't easily push the dirt and damaged tissue out. Guns increased the lethality of war exponentially not simply because of their immediate killing power but also because the injuries they caused were _far_ more likely to cause death from infection later on than anything that had come before.
@@GaldirEonai I'm thinking more about a puncture to the gut. Ever see those early bayonets, which were simply pointy iron bars? Surgeons couldn't sew them properly, and people died because of it. That's why you now see blade-type bayonets. OK, to my mind (joke) a rapier piercing your clothing, skin, outer ab muscles and into your intestines is much the same thing. You could clean a puncture to the arms, legs, even upper chest and prevent infection. Not so the guts.
Awesome fight.
But being long-haired myself, I would assume that you'd tie long hair back for a duel, it's extremely annoying and obstructing during a fight.
Garrett Diabolical!
Simon Liljestrand they got thirsty. Sword play is thirsty business.
Maitre Mark not girly to keep your hair like Samson. I mean all the badasses of history had a mane of hair.
Maitre Mark Fucking. What.
Maitre Mark Arnold Schwarzenegger isn't bald...
i miss the old music... the tension is not the same
ICYMI Backpacker in the window at 6:07. Hehe. Best smallsword duel on film ever! Absolutely smashing!
It's hard to see enough detail to date the backpacker. People used packs throughout history. You're probably right and its a minor gaffe that most likely was missed in the editing or just left in. FYI the intro to the Kung Fu series has an electrical tower in the background of the Shaolin temple scene.
Hilarious! Thank you.
I like how you took time for a little scenic humour even though this is mainly a fencing demonstration.
Extremely well done. Nice to show that many smallsword duels ended like this.
*A man needs a name.*
lol
A masterpiece, just like the rest of your videos. Impressive. Most impressive!
These guys are EVERYTHING I've never gotten out of the movies. These guys are AWESOME.
Well done! Hollywood needs to hire you guys.
Did anyone have a link to the original audio? Was so much better.
This video does well to showcase the increased danger to both parties when fighting with short weapons. Both fighters must be closer, which shortens reaction time necessary to defend, makes grappling much more likely, and greatly increases the chance of a double kill.
The best dramatic smallsword duel I have ever seen.
I am a sword freak and it took TH-cam a decade to show me your material and I am pissed. >) I love the work. /salute.
Thank you Adorea for posting all these wonderfull clips.realistic ,historically accurate,not the shit Hollywood usually produces.
I love how the judges or seconds or whatever those two guys are, were like "oh, they both died. How embarrassing... Wanna go drinking?"
Tremendously realistic, phenomenal storytelling, remarkably choreographed!
Very well made video and a beautiful display of fencing skills!
Absolutely the best fights, those skills are something amazing.
One of the reasons why sport fencing and actual fencing, should always be considered different.
Dueling was a civilized undertaking .. they were even catered 🍷🍷
Loved it. Well done gentleman, great skill and action. Enjoy your videos. BTW, the onlookers get to enjoy the wine after...and pizza
"Hey that's enough!"
"Ssshhh. Let them kill each other."
"Good idea."
I believe this is likely the best impression of such a duel as thy occurred in historical context.
I loved this. Thank you.
What happened to Händel’s Water Music menuet? That was a hell of a great song for this duel.
Oh I love the 3:59 move! Stab and twist the sword in the wound while you're rotating your body... That has to be devastating!
Indeed. At this instant the short hair guy must have known he was wound was mortal, and he decided to take the opponent down with him....
And that is how gentlemen were meant to settle disputes.
Well I mean, in the video they both die...
that just means they were both wrong ;)
And their fathers drink tea to acknowledge the follies fo youth..
I think they mostly fought till first blood in the past
Mr Zolo in certain cultures, like the Polish nobles, first blood was a common end of the duel, but in France it was common to fight to the death.
So nice to see the blade actually positioned between them self and their enemy instead of around their backs ect.
Super qualité...
merci pour cette belle reconstitution à des années lumières de ce que fait Hollywood...
I guess they were both wrong.
Very handsome men fighting to the death, a waste and a magnetic spectacle all at the same time.
This looks like it was part of a really good movie. Very well done, one of the best duels I've seen!
Exquisite! Do some more videos like this! I LOVEEEEEE swordplay!
i like how they just toast over their bodies lol. great fight nerds
This is a very nice portrayal of the duelling conduct of those times. The only thing I could nitpick is that if they both bled to death over time, there ought to be a bit more blood around, but then if I had costumes this pretty, I wouldn't want to ruin them either...
Depends on the wound... some high hematoma wounds can be internal.. especially belly
However neck stab would've been quite bloody
Wunderschön! Echt gut gemacht, vielen Dank!
acting so on point, you can feel the tension, nicely choreograph.
This was a very common occurrence, partially the reason why dueling was on the way out, unfortunately.
The French Army had to outlaw it, they were losing too many officers over petty squabbles. They were beginning to lose more men to duels than battles with the British
George silver decried the rapier or similar because while it was very effective at killing in a duel, it had no military application or ability to defend the wielder, and too many young English men were dying pointlessly
Not really. Dueling was outlawed by the Pope in 1215, but continued to be thing all the way to 19th century. It often wasn't till death tho. Often, just showing on the place was enough for both parties to agree than honour has been retained.
criminally underrated
Nice choice on the music for this.
Very good stuff!!! Love it.
Swords and alcohol seem to make any party a fun time
Revolting Peasant not saying from experience though
Revolting Peasant dang man I’m sorry to here shoot you have any more HEMA war stories?
I love how everyone watching is like well there dead.. wanna see if there still snacks in the other room
Amazing duel coreography. A luxury clothes and a good actos. Congratulatios. You are a very skilled fight scenical company..
Very very nice work !!!!thanks you so much ,im a teacher of antic fencng in spain and i show all your video to my student .
Очень жаль...они были замечательные благородные люди ...таких теперь не так много...они могли бы быть надёжными друзьями..таких теперь не так много...мир праху
Вот и непонятка..
Благородные, честные..
Чем тогда могли так насолить друг дружке, что только смертоубийство был выход?
@@user-pw2ll7vl6t это могли быть адвокаты
You guys should do a 3 musketeers video, 4 vs 40
Очень понравилось. Шикарная достоверность!
Very well done and totally hilarious. I can sing no higher praises than to say I can sing no higher praises.
The art of legally killing an aversary
How you get rid of rival business partners and take over Renaissance style.
This is superbly put together.
This reminds me very much of a climax from a move I ha e watched before. Live an excellent remake of that scene or something. Either way well done guys.
Other than error in the music background (Vivaldi) and the kind of swords (cup rapiers should have been used, not smallswords), it was a commendable recreation of a duel.
I loved the background music, but weapons probably could/should've been changed.
I think it was "Storm"
What's wrong with smallswords?
Simon Johansson wrong period of time
I enjoyed the fight but I also noted a little mistake : a few cuts here and there, while if not mistaken the sword is a triangular section colichemarde with no cutting edge.
Ahhh. Back in the day when men wore lace.
Nice video, great music!
Весьма впечатляюще, браво!
ok both are dead lets sell their possesions and make an run to the hoarhouse
great show nice vid
Красивая постановка и хорошие актёры! Спасибо авторам. Не понимаю зачем так размахивать колющими клинками...
Man, I enjoyed the fight, but what enhanced it most was starting it and ending it with pieces of Handel's Royal Fireworks music. Brilliant. Just brilliant (author of Renee: St. Mary's Virus).
In this time... no words were spoken... wine was toasted... and a soundtrack played
When you execute and bleed damage kills you
Dam Peacekeepers!
Oh lol! It's like the two duelists were assholes that the seconds were all too eager to be rid of. Typical for the era I suppose. Swordplay was great nonetheless!
It should be part of a movie. It is great. :) Both fighting and story. :)
The sword fighters clothes and that room area exquisite!
Swords are anachronistic. They're at least 40 years after the time indicated by the costuming.
Still used to settle disputes well into the mid nineteenth century though
Went from fencing to a sword fight. If it had started out as a sword fight the video would have been a third shorter.
Where is the original BGM? I like that one much better
CHEERS to the ego of men... another amazing video, thank you!
Piercing some holes so that the wine can flow out a little faster.
пересмотрел заново. Жуткая история. Глупо... А фильм отличный как всегда!
Very elegant video. Well done
Excellent fencing and excellent face play.
You have to respect a culture, where killing each other is done with the utmost gentlemen disposition.
Most other cultures throughout the ages, are perfectly okay with savagery during times of distress. If one has to kill, isn't this the best way to do it?
Now then... 2 for tea?
I miss the old audio lol
Me too! I'm so disappointed...
The darkly dressed duelist received a devastating blow to the stomach at 4:05 (and then he was holding his stomach almost the entire time, as if supporting his torn guts.). Knowing that he was mortally wounded, the duelist usually attacked much more aggressively than before, and was more focused on "returning a favor" than on defending himself (which is also confirmed by fencing masters from this era, e.g. Francesco Alfieri)
molto bello , elegante e ben costruito. Complimenti!