Shoutout to the commenter that asked me to do this video! Also, I had a funny comment to put here, but I forgot it. So, whatever. www.twitch.tv/rndthursday
For false son i cant decide between which of the 2 lazers i should pick should i use lazer of the father even though i do loop a bunch (i like the funny dmg and shenanigans both do but i cant decide which😭)
Newbie, it's obviously not a joke. The "OP" part designed for complex builds and playstyles, not just run n' gun, so you get "OP" levels of fun and challenge with them. You simply get bored with the "Meh." straight forward abilities.
@@andreyanjirok5487 Nah, blight being front and center on the "OP" side is what draws in the people with 200+ hours. Anyone who plays this game for that long knows that using blight on Acrid is just not good, so also having poison in the "meh" category is another thing for it. Clickbait-y for those who know, but it did work
It’s actually the only reason I didn’t watch it for like a week lol I’ve gotten it in my recommended like 10 times and I just didn’t click on cause it’s like there’s no way this guy knows what he was doing Lo and behold it was actually a pretty good video
I think it has something to do with raycasting being used for aiming. At distance (which is the ideal position to be) or with non-piercing abilities, this doesn't make any difference, so I'm guessing they did this because it was what they first thought of to deal with the issue at some point, and never felt the need to change it
@@darkprism1940it can actually affect non-piercing abilities as well, just not nearly as obviously. It's caused by the attack coming out of your character and moving towards the targeted location rather than coming out of your cross hair, so if something is in between your character and the intended target, it'll hit that instead
0:14 Peashooter in the Garden Warfare games do a whopping 30 damage per shot (For reference, most Zombies have 100-200 health, most of the time it’s 125) and has a very generous splash damage of 10, so combined with the chili bean bomb makes Peashooter the KING of area control So yea even the Peashooter does more damage than Commando
2:19 this is technically wrong. Phase round is able to proc bands itemless, it just needs to pierce enough enemies. Frag grenades is still his only consistent band proc though.
16:05 tangling growth is just better to use in eclipse 8. Sure it does perma damage but the skill is really broken, and safer spaces/teddies can protect you from the self damage. It pairs really well with any aoe item, freezes all enemies in place including mithrix, and it pairs really well with directive drill and disperse. Also there’s a funny tech you can do with lycate cell that can 1 shot mithrix. Harvest does very little damage and has a bad global cooldown, and it doesn’t combo well with Rex’s other skills. The healing you get from it isn’t worth it as Rex’s m1 does just fine
Thank you Someone had to say it Harvest is just a straight downgrade Sure it they made it to more damage it might be worth it but I never actually see it kill anything to prock the healing
you undersold how bad harvest is, with how little damage and healing it does and how long it locks you out of using your m1, I think taking tangling growth and using it 1 time when you need it is so much more value than harvest could ever give you.
@@hanspetersen2087i might even argue that taking harvest on e8 and *not* using it would be more optimal than using it for most players because the skill is so weak it's not even worth the extra attention cost
2:20 this is incorrect. Phase Round can proc bands after piercing multiple enemies, because the damage increases past 400% 15:54 this is also wrong. Rex starts with his purple secondary and purple special unlocked by default, instead of the green ones. You need to complete challenges to unlock the green ones. So, the green ones are not the "default" ones
17:52 I don't think you ever want to switch off a charge gauntlet, The ability to pick and choose what you do your nutty damage to, rather than in AOE ability that kills like three trash mobs, feels much better. Also, losing your momentum, meaning you're getting stopped right in the front of a boss or a big enemy or something, that you probably don't want to get stopped next to feels pretty bad. I think even the Unga Bunga players probably still want to use Charge Gauntlet.
Also, on acrid, If you want to run a melee build, You actually do want to take blight, Since your special is your way of dealing with flying enemies on melee action, you really need blight to do the finishing blow, Since neurotoxin on its own doesn't quite do enough damage to just one shot wisps, Larger flying enemies are totally handleable with leap but small trash mobs are a pain in the ass to deal with without blight because you just need to wait for your special to charge again to be able to actually kill them. And the damage loss from blight is there, but it's not really bad enough to compare to the damage gain from playing melee acrid. Another thing about a melee act is you want to use your leaves to just slam into the enemy, Their damage is quite frankly ridiculous... If you're using regularly, Alt-Weep is just a terrible ability, particularly even at its own use case, because they can only ever charge one stack of itself at a time, So my recommendation, if you want to play melee accurate, which is actually quite good. Is: blight (literally just to deal with wisps/flying pests) melee m2 ( Because the damage on this thing is just frankly nuts) and default leap ( The extra damage from the puddle and blight for this bill is way better than the ability to just spam out maybe one or two extra leaps with the alt ability)
Well, I main loader with alt shift and I like it more because I don't have to charge it and I don't fly away half a map to kill a single wisp. I also run default special for more mobility. You can learn ways to get out of danger quickly, mainly backup mags or lunar m1 as a way to deal with scary monsters without having to fist them. Mainly it results in a playstyle where you jump around and shift nearest enemy on cd, and everything dies. You can actually aim where the AOE goes by looking in the direction on the impact. So you can for example punch a mob infront of you, but flick the camera and zap mobs behind you. Probably is weaker and more dangerous then all default, yeah, but man is it comfy to play..
Really hope gearbox makes the difference between them and hopo by giving some proper love and balance to older survivor abilities. As a bandit main I especially look at the other primary option because it doesn't even really have better dmg over range than the shotgun (as bandit you aren't even really going to be playing from further than mid range and the mag count being almost the same sucks). In general grenades is a comedic ability for commando 😅.
Just give bandit a whip as secondary, give it stun and around 300% dmg As primary make him a mini railgunner ? Just change his alternative primary to be laser
God bandit needs some rework Even if they just bump the damage on the alt primary that would be fine but yeah your going to be sneaking behind enemies not waiting from five miles away for them to turn the right direction
@@alteragosagin4211imo m2 stun would be too much. bandit already has amazing survivability with a fall cancel and a high uptime invis that comes with speed boost, aoe stun and 2 air jumps. considering how desperado is an instakill button if you can survive on a stage for long enough, more survivability would be insane
worth noting backup mags on railgunner's default secondary don't apply the perfect reload bonus, so they're kinda eh default secondary is still better though
Bubble shield blocking wisps and golem lasers is what makes me prefer it. If you put a turret in a goofy spot where they take no melee damage, then you can effectively make stationary turrets invincible during the shields uptime. That's how I run them. There are enough item based ways to deal with airborne enemies that I usually just prefer to drop turrets and shield and run.
I might argue that Blight might have become a little better with the new rework of Noxious Thorn, because, if you get that item that is, Blight can be transported from one enemy to other enemies, keeping the stacks alive. Plus Blight, unlike poison, can kill enemies by itself, making itself spread around enemies by killing them and prockin Noxious Thorn by itself However, this update is very new so I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's actually still better with Poison, so
Beginner tip for loader: Sprint while you’re doing stuff. That’s literally it. You can sprint while grappling for faster grapples, and sprint while charging punches.
You know what's crazy? Is that antler shield is like- Dude, it is still massive. Massive. I mean I’ve seen new builds that I’ve never seen before that have like millions of damage and kills still that are like popping off all over the place.
I'd also suggest double nailgun power mode MUL-T. It's my go-to for her, because when you stop firing the nailgun, it makes a shotgun blast that knocks you back, so with double nailgun, you can stop them both at once for a boost/dodge backwards, and two of them at the same time makes for a lot of procs.
15:20 eviscerate is better at dealing with dangerous enemies. Especially with the addition of lysate cell. Also the whole point of mercenary is learning how to weave out of lethal damage range. For elder lemurs just wait for them to flame breath and right click behind them, if they do the fireball shotgun then simply sidestep LOL. Every enemy can be pretty easily dealt with with mercenary tbh, he has so many i-frames that the only thing that consistently kills him is dealing with several dangerous enemies at once like bells, lemurs, and pests
Agreed. I use his first two alts and eviscerate, gives a lot of I frames and gives very good damage. I like to expose and then uppercut on bosses for really good damage
Love when people call mobile turrets bad and one of the main points is "no bungus so bad" its mainly down to personal preference, although technically stationary is stronger, both are completely viable and very fun outside of that, great video
For MUL-T, you can use double rebar puncher and everytime you shoot hold down the shoot button while you’re switching to make it really fast with good damage
taking a shock beacon on captain is still really nice especially for later stages bc you can just trap a bunch of enemies in there. by the time you get to the later stages you dont have money problems anymore anyways
I know stationary turrets absolutely are stronger but I still find myself using mobile turrets more simply because I find them more fun. Having this silly turret walking around with you is a blast.
I mean moving turrets could be good if they reworked it so the laser actually works with some items Like imagine the shuriken plays if it could throw them all at once activating bands among many others I mean with the new item buffs it might be good with the enemy teleport thing that gives you barrier
I think I read somewhere that if you go Visions of Heresy, mobile turrets are actually better, which is why I run them. I actually have 0 clue if it's true and I would love for someone knowledge to confirm or deny this.
2:19 this is wrong. You can actually proc bands with phase blast if you hit 3 targets in a row. Doesnt change that you dont want to pick phase blast because of the bug and because the burst is so much better on the alternate.
one thing of note for loader is even though her spiked fist gives a bit more versatility i prefer default because i can swing off enemies without procing bands so i can save it for my big boy hit, and pylon can deal with the pests
As a Railgunner main, in my experimentation, Sniper secondary kinda falls off on longer runs given with attack speed the rate of fire doesn't go up that much, while both Sniper and Marksman have the same Proc Coefficient meaning Marksman is better for proccing items and making it more suited for longer runs PLUS... It's higher fire rate while still being strong lets it generally 1-2 shot flying enemies very quickly while Marksman has to find a target, shoot, reload and repeat requiring a lot more time to take out swarms unless you have aoe items built in. In my experience, Sniper is fun, but needs a proc coefficient buff to say... 2.0 to be a good side-grade compared to Marksman over longer runs. Oh and you mentioned backup mags on Sniper but see, if you don't reload after the first shot the buff is already consumed meaning every backup mags shot doesn't have the bonus making it pointless meaning backup mags is always a scrapper item for Railgunner...
Yea, I think I like using the default kit more (for the BIG NUMBERS) and is crazy strong even as is, but I find Cryocharge and especially Marksman to be EASIER to use cause of that rate of fire. They don't leave me screwed if I'm very frequently skill issued and can't get my perfect shot. ...Also yeah I say don't grab mags with her on either secondary lmao
Bit of thought on Commando phase round, the upward tilt has been a thing since forever (and as a mod fix since forever too, must have imo) and legit is the best brand procker for Commando. Only takes 2 enemies. Also with the bug modded away, the aoe of it is really nice. Making enemies be in a straight line is legit not that difficult with some movement finesse, but we Eclipse bois got that :)
thunderslam is really good because you can combine it with charged gauntlet you can very fast and do a ton of damage with both, if you do it and time it right.
Mercenary should keep his blinding assault instead of focused assault, since with timing, you can retain the hit box for the hit that does expose while you dash, pretty much giving you more movement and range with a relatively similar damage
Loader: I like using her default loadout except for the secondary. I don't need to swing from wisps and blind pests; I'm perfectly comfortable taking away that capability to have a ranged attack with a stun that still allows me to do my Spider-Man things from surfaces, big enemies, and my Pylon. I don't need the AOE attack because my punches can be lined up to hit enough enemies at a time anyway, and then I get more MOVSPD and some crowd control items to solve all my problems.
All this is facts but I find orangutan loader to be more consistent for eclipse. Being able to hold your utility instead of launching immediately is super useful! Since you deal more damage the faster you are moving, being able to plan out and line up one super huge fast punch to kill the boss is always satisfying. I used to like the fist that pulls wisps but I find myself using the movement of the fist way more than the damage. Thunderslam is fun, but the pylon gives extra mobility and it’s a fairly safe way to whittle down phase 4 mithrix.
Would say that railgunner's alt secondary is better for deeper runs, as it scales incredibly well with attack speed, though getting enough attack speed in a single loop run may be unlikely. However, the default is just much more satisfying to use and can work wonders with backup mags
"Scrap Launcher is like Artificer but worse" Artificer's primary recharges one ammo per cooldown. Scrap Launcher recharges all of its ammo in one cooldown. I rest my case.
as a Huntress main that uses Strafe instead of Flurry, I find Strafe to have MUCH more consistent damage overall when factoring in if an enemy dies to a single Crit arrow, you are still waiting the entire incredibly long wind down time of the full six arrow barrage without doing any damage.
Yep. Flurry effing sucks for the first few stages and there is where all the real difficulty is. Huntress has not a lot of damage but ballista and m2 does the work, she doesn't need more m1 damage later into the run.
For Merc I would like to argue, i use uppercut, focused, and the original special, you get good damage and good I frames Also built in defense for him kinda counteracts his low health
I really hope there comes a point where the unlocks aren't just upgrades/downgrades to their play style with or without much visual differences. And that the unlock methods are more enjoyable than cheesing on Drizzle or fucking praying the stars align (Commando's Overloading Worm/Merc's Prismatic Challenge)
I think i prefer lights out to desperado, to be honest. Pair it with a damage item and a few ukeleles, and it scratches that same part of the brain that ricoshots and coin shots in ultrakill do. The dopamine hit you get from watching that revolver spin and watching the lightning spark? _Exquisite,_ my friends. And the damage spread is pretty good too.
Same here It's definitely feels nice to sneak out that kill on a giant guy to fill up everything Especially with hardlight lysite and b mags it just I like a clean sleight
I prefer to replace suppressive fire / frags with ruin using essense of herrasy Easy to build alot of stacks, free debuff and band proc (if multiple enemies are debuffed then go closest to the enemy you wanna proc bands on)
I'm on an old gen console the alternate secondary on commando stops working when too much is going on in the game. Also, I believe the piercing shots had that bug from the beginning, at least with my experience on old gen.
mobile turrets are amazing if, and only if, you can get spare drone parts. the spare drone parts weapons have much longer targeting ranges than the turret laser, and can still proc the turrets items. all the range advantage of stationary turrets, but with mobility. however, stationary turrets just work so well with little to no effort, so unless you're playing with artifact of command just use stationary ones.
Huntress primary choice is one of my favourite in the game. They're well balanced, although the game never seems to give me crit when I'm using flurry, I do enjoy the fact I can more easily flick with it and do decent damage because of how its a bit weird in targeting. Huge contrast to the Arrow rain vs Ballista because the latter is just so much better. I'm personally a normal Blink enjoyer though. Apart from when I have a lot of movement speed. Gets much harder to use because it just sends you way too far, though tbf just the fact Phase blink doesnt give you vertical mobility means I hate it, used it like twice and just aint for me. Also oh damn that woodland skin is goated. Pleasee gearbox please please make the DLC worth buying i want the pretty skins and maps and sale star but can't justify it presently (especially with only just starting grinding out eclipse for the existing chars).
disagree on merc, take either of the cooldown reducing lunars (you only need one but 2 or one of each is great), and the void item that gives eviscerate charges and just spam eviscerate to be completely and utterly unkillable. expose tech is great, but who needs it when you literally cannot die and never need to worry about cooldowns ever?
7:26 "as the run gets later and later, its gonna be harder to get those kills (with the R ability)" this same thing also applies to desperado, so its kinda invalid as an argument
Ok but have you ever considered that with blinding assault u can go zoomies AND get nostalgia by pretending that ur getting a good nanoblade off in odub
all of these seem fine except loader is abysmal on loader you basically always want spiked fist and charged gauntlet. thunderslam vs pylon is somewhat up to preference though pylon gives you: anti-air, bands on aqueduct without potrolling, better movement, bigger aoe thunderslam: better for dealing with enemies in your face, more damaging aoe, slampunch tech (incredibly op if youre good at it, otherwise meh). always take spiked fist if you use thunderslam because otherwise you have no anti-air
I find Nanobomb to be much better than Cast Nanospear as if nanobomb clears out wisps easily due to the tendrils and has really good AOE and damage. In the case of Mithrix, if he gets under execute threshold, I can just use the guillotine (snap freeze) to execute him anyway. Picking Nanobomb makes her much more versatile as Cast Nanospear, as although it is good, overlaps with snapfreeze in a lot of categories, whereas Nanobomb is kinda more of a unique staple in Artificer's kit. I'd highly reccomend using nanobomb for the increased damage and aoe, if you are a cast nano spear user, i reccomend throwing on bomb for a run and just test it out, I found it alot more versatile and had a positive impact on my runs. "A jack of all trades is a master of none, though oftentimes better than a master of one, however pick whichever you find most fun" is my wisdom. pick your poison, or blight, even if ones better. Loved this video overall, very cool, but you did miss that phase round can proc bands on the second enemy :D (i use it but i also use attack direction fix mod so its actually fun, so cant speak on its balance (also direction bug always been a thing))
I use mobile turrent, and I can explain why, it's literally just fun. they give you the ability to use focus crystal and self harm more reliably, they can also use the fuel cell in one of the most questionable damage sources in the game since they walk up to enemies away from you. just quirky and fun, those stationary is better for meta, mobile is better for my heart.
I would consider myself a loader "main" as in i play them the most. The stunning gauntlet sucks imo, always use the charge gauntlet as its big fat nut damage when you got bands and focus crystals on you. Only alternate skill i use is ground slam honestly, the drone is useful if you really hate wisps and blind pests (especially blind pests) but the slam is just another big fat damage skill that can also just bring you to the ground faster as i mainly play a spider man loader who is hyper mobile with grapple hooks and charge punching them till they die
I still don't understad why so many people use whirlwind on mercenary instead of rising thunder. Less damage, slower to use, arguably works worse as a mobility skill.
It's AOE(so, more damage), you can hold the button and run faster, when rising thunder slows you down, also works as a stall in a midair(take a purity and you can just fly). Arguably easier to land a hit with(thus, again, more damage overall).
The DLC released in a very bad state. It was very buggy (Most of it has been fixed now) item were a very mixed bag with some overpowered and some useless items (They revamped it just today so i don't know how successfully they fixed that) and the new survivor are not great (They plan to fix it in the future). Overall it was a disastrous launch BUT they seem committed to fixing their mistakes and make it a good DLC
Is there a list for must have items for each character? I've been trying to get into risk of rain 1 and 2 for years. I main vermintide and darktide byr I play this when I get bored. Problem is om on xbox and it's basically single player cuz no one plays.
Shoutout to the commenter that asked me to do this video! Also, I had a funny comment to put here, but I forgot it. So, whatever.
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For false son i cant decide between which of the 2 lazers i should pick should i use lazer of the father even though i do loop a bunch (i like the funny dmg and shenanigans both do but i cant decide which😭)
YES! IT WAS ME THAT ASKED YOU TO DO THIS TWICE! THANK YOU SO MUCH BUDDY!
Did... did you just tell me to take antler shield?! You lil shi--
Expertly designed thumbnail to make sure anybody with over 200 hours in game watches this to make sure it’s a joke
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Newbie, it's obviously not a joke. The "OP" part designed for complex builds and playstyles, not just run n' gun, so you get "OP" levels of fun and challenge with them. You simply get bored with the "Meh." straight forward abilities.
@@andreyanjirok5487 Nah, blight being front and center on the "OP" side is what draws in the people with 200+ hours. Anyone who plays this game for that long knows that using blight on Acrid is just not good, so also having poison in the "meh" category is another thing for it. Clickbait-y for those who know, but it did work
@@andreyanjirok5487 what are you on about 😭😭😭
It’s actually the only reason I didn’t watch it for like a week lol I’ve gotten it in my recommended like 10 times and I just didn’t click on cause it’s like there’s no way this guy knows what he was doing
Lo and behold it was actually a pretty good video
I was literally saying to myself " damn if i only had some good rndthursday content to fall asleep to" and then my gracious king hears my prayers
im always listening
This is LITERALLY what I was thinking. Hit my sativa products and was like yes YT time
Not even kidding me too bruh
@@rndThursday next time make a loudass sound in the video so he wakes up.
Watching this on my phone while I'm AFK in front of a prayer beads printer
i laughed
what hp we getting to today cowboy?
I haven't bought the DLC yet and I'm waiting for it to go on sale again. I want the beads. I need the beads. The need to beads
holy shit same here lmfao, its the last run of my e8 gold grind and i got lucky on Ch*f (ew)
@@ginoo75I have bad news...
the piercing bug has been around for a long time, it's not something that happened after SOTS
Was about to comment the same thing
as long as nobody squeals they wont know
I think it has something to do with raycasting being used for aiming. At distance (which is the ideal position to be) or with non-piercing abilities, this doesn't make any difference, so I'm guessing they did this because it was what they first thought of to deal with the issue at some point, and never felt the need to change it
I don't have any of the DLC and noticed it sometimes shoots upwards too
@@darkprism1940it can actually affect non-piercing abilities as well, just not nearly as obviously. It's caused by the attack coming out of your character and moving towards the targeted location rather than coming out of your cross hair, so if something is in between your character and the intended target, it'll hit that instead
0:14 Peashooter in the Garden Warfare games do a whopping 30 damage per shot (For reference, most Zombies have 100-200 health, most of the time it’s 125) and has a very generous splash damage of 10, so combined with the chili bean bomb makes Peashooter the KING of area control
So yea even the Peashooter does more damage than Commando
2:19 this is technically wrong. Phase round is able to proc bands itemless, it just needs to pierce enough enemies. Frag grenades is still his only consistent band proc though.
while true, this is a top tier erm actually
@ Yeah I know, I’m ashamed
this is my favorite type of um actually
I was gonna say this!
i cried after what you said about loader... ANYWAYS rip, this video was released one day too late
baa loader my beloved
16:05 tangling growth is just better to use in eclipse 8. Sure it does perma damage but the skill is really broken, and safer spaces/teddies can protect you from the self damage. It pairs really well with any aoe item, freezes all enemies in place including mithrix, and it pairs really well with directive drill and disperse. Also there’s a funny tech you can do with lycate cell that can 1 shot mithrix.
Harvest does very little damage and has a bad global cooldown, and it doesn’t combo well with Rex’s other skills. The healing you get from it isn’t worth it as Rex’s m1 does just fine
Thank you
Someone had to say it
Harvest is just a straight downgrade
Sure it they made it to more damage it might be worth it but I never actually see it kill anything to prock the healing
you undersold how bad harvest is, with how little damage and healing it does and how long it locks you out of using your m1, I think taking tangling growth and using it 1 time when you need it is so much more value than harvest could ever give you.
@@hanspetersen2087i might even argue that taking harvest on e8 and *not* using it would be more optimal than using it for most players because the skill is so weak it's not even worth the extra attention cost
picking up antlers has gone from a meme to a must-have and i think thats beautiful
Can you post another video my toes are curling rn im almost there
never posting this late again
Show me proof
Imagine a world where Blight didn't lose the ability to deal percentile damage, it might actually be good then.
Thank you for never forcing an intro down my throat. Love you
2:20 this is incorrect. Phase Round can proc bands after piercing multiple enemies, because the damage increases past 400%
15:54 this is also wrong. Rex starts with his purple secondary and purple special unlocked by default, instead of the green ones. You need to complete challenges to unlock the green ones. So, the green ones are not the "default" ones
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@B1inded cave dwella
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procs bands on only second enemy too
@@Hlebuw3k *dweller
17:52 I don't think you ever want to switch off a charge gauntlet, The ability to pick and choose what you do your nutty damage to, rather than in AOE ability that kills like three trash mobs, feels much better. Also, losing your momentum, meaning you're getting stopped right in the front of a boss or a big enemy or something, that you probably don't want to get stopped next to feels pretty bad. I think even the Unga Bunga players probably still want to use Charge Gauntlet.
Also, on acrid, If you want to run a melee build, You actually do want to take blight, Since your special is your way of dealing with flying enemies on melee action, you really need blight to do the finishing blow, Since neurotoxin on its own doesn't quite do enough damage to just one shot wisps, Larger flying enemies are totally handleable with leap but small trash mobs are a pain in the ass to deal with without blight because you just need to wait for your special to charge again to be able to actually kill them. And the damage loss from blight is there, but it's not really bad enough to compare to the damage gain from playing melee acrid. Another thing about a melee act is you want to use your leaves to just slam into the enemy, Their damage is quite frankly ridiculous... If you're using regularly, Alt-Weep is just a terrible ability, particularly even at its own use case, because they can only ever charge one stack of itself at a time, So my recommendation, if you want to play melee accurate, which is actually quite good. Is: blight (literally just to deal with wisps/flying pests) melee m2 ( Because the damage on this thing is just frankly nuts) and default leap ( The extra damage from the puddle and blight for this bill is way better than the ability to just spam out maybe one or two extra leaps with the alt ability)
Well, I main loader with alt shift and I like it more because I don't have to charge it and I don't fly away half a map to kill a single wisp. I also run default special for more mobility. You can learn ways to get out of danger quickly, mainly backup mags or lunar m1 as a way to deal with scary monsters without having to fist them. Mainly it results in a playstyle where you jump around and shift nearest enemy on cd, and everything dies. You can actually aim where the AOE goes by looking in the direction on the impact. So you can for example punch a mob infront of you, but flick the camera and zap mobs behind you.
Probably is weaker and more dangerous then all default, yeah, but man is it comfy to play..
Also, you can bypass the momentum loss if you are grappled.
10/10, I had to explain to my friend who's new to ror2 that the video was a joke and that blight is still bad
I may add that the loaders pilon aka her normal R can be used to get free bands in aqueducts
Really hope gearbox makes the difference between them and hopo by giving some proper love and balance to older survivor abilities.
As a bandit main I especially look at the other primary option because it doesn't even really have better dmg over range than the shotgun (as bandit you aren't even really going to be playing from further than mid range and the mag count being almost the same sucks). In general grenades is a comedic ability for commando 😅.
some of the loadouts need some serious love
@rndThursday we pray for engineer to get another primary option 🙏
Just give bandit a whip as secondary, give it stun and around 300% dmg
As primary make him a mini railgunner ? Just change his alternative primary to be laser
God bandit needs some rework
Even if they just bump the damage on the alt primary that would be fine but yeah your going to be sneaking behind enemies not waiting from five miles away for them to turn the right direction
@@alteragosagin4211imo m2 stun would be too much. bandit already has amazing survivability with a fall cancel and a high uptime invis that comes with speed boost, aoe stun and 2 air jumps. considering how desperado is an instakill button if you can survive on a stage for long enough, more survivability would be insane
worth noting backup mags on railgunner's default secondary don't apply the perfect reload bonus, so they're kinda eh
default secondary is still better though
Bubble shield blocking wisps and golem lasers is what makes me prefer it. If you put a turret in a goofy spot where they take no melee damage, then you can effectively make stationary turrets invincible during the shields uptime.
That's how I run them. There are enough item based ways to deal with airborne enemies that I usually just prefer to drop turrets and shield and run.
I might argue that Blight might have become a little better with the new rework of Noxious Thorn, because, if you get that item that is, Blight can be transported from one enemy to other enemies, keeping the stacks alive. Plus Blight, unlike poison, can kill enemies by itself, making itself spread around enemies by killing them and prockin Noxious Thorn by itself
However, this update is very new so I wouldn't be surprised to find out it's actually still better with Poison, so
Beginner tip for loader: Sprint while you’re doing stuff. That’s literally it. You can sprint while grappling for faster grapples, and sprint while charging punches.
Dude says Mercenary as Merc-en-ary instead of Mer-cen-ary... skill issue.
0:16 Why did the artist draw it like that 💀💀💀
No way it ISN’T a kink art
Cmon. You know why.
You know what's crazy? Is that antler shield is like- Dude, it is still massive. Massive. I mean I’ve seen new builds that I’ve never seen before that have like millions of damage and kills still that are like popping off all over the place.
The chef glazing is crazy.
one thing worth mentionig for loader is that pylon CAN weigh down the button on aqueduct, so that's a BIG upside, and the main motive i always use it
thats a crazy tech ngl
Erhm akshully you said frag was the only thing that can proc bands, but phase round can proc bands if it pierces enough times
You can use the grenade's bounce to proc brillant behemoth.
I'd also suggest double nailgun power mode MUL-T.
It's my go-to for her, because when you stop firing the nailgun, it makes a shotgun blast that knocks you back, so with double nailgun, you can stop them both at once for a boost/dodge backwards, and two of them at the same time makes for a lot of procs.
I was so surprised he didn't mention it, my dear double nailgun
DUDE THATS THE SAME LOADOUT I USE WHEN I PLAY VOID FIEND!
omg twins
Personally I go for the alternate shift its just too good to give up
@@theplague5803 aka strides of heresy lol
15:20 eviscerate is better at dealing with dangerous enemies. Especially with the addition of lysate cell. Also the whole point of mercenary is learning how to weave out of lethal damage range. For elder lemurs just wait for them to flame breath and right click behind them, if they do the fireball shotgun then simply sidestep LOL. Every enemy can be pretty easily dealt with with mercenary tbh, he has so many i-frames that the only thing that consistently kills him is dealing with several dangerous enemies at once like bells, lemurs, and pests
Agreed. I use his first two alts and eviscerate, gives a lot of I frames and gives very good damage. I like to expose and then uppercut on bosses for really good damage
i liked the commando bit at the start would be cool if u made a vid on every one
ty king. i probably will
Love when people call mobile turrets bad and one of the main points is "no bungus so bad"
its mainly down to personal preference, although technically stationary is stronger, both are completely viable and very fun
outside of that, great video
I got baited by the thumbnail having blight as "OP"
and this is now the second time I'm watching this video. He got me twice
😂
gottem. ez 😎
For MUL-T, you can use double rebar puncher and everytime you shoot hold down the shoot button while you’re switching to make it really fast with good damage
taking a shock beacon on captain is still really nice especially for later stages bc you can just trap a bunch of enemies in there. by the time you get to the later stages you dont have money problems anymore anyways
24:26 aged severely poorly
actually, it aged well if you think about it 😏
(ill just gaslight people into thinking it was elusive antlers)
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I know stationary turrets absolutely are stronger but I still find myself using mobile turrets more simply because I find them more fun. Having this silly turret walking around with you is a blast.
I like the strategic part of clever turret placing so it doesn't get blasted instantly(mainly eclipse issue, but still)
I mean moving turrets could be good if they reworked it so the laser actually works with some items
Like imagine the shuriken plays if it could throw them all at once activating bands among many others
I mean with the new item buffs it might be good with the enemy teleport thing that gives you barrier
I think I read somewhere that if you go Visions of Heresy, mobile turrets are actually better, which is why I run them. I actually have 0 clue if it's true and I would love for someone knowledge to confirm or deny this.
0:36 OMG I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY WITH THE PIERCE
2:19 this is wrong. You can actually proc bands with phase blast if you hit 3 targets in a row.
Doesnt change that you dont want to pick phase blast because of the bug and because the burst is so much better on the alternate.
one thing of note for loader is even though her spiked fist gives a bit more versatility i prefer default because i can swing off enemies without procing bands so i can save it for my big boy hit, and pylon can deal with the pests
Good job w the thumbnail goddamn u got me good
gottem
As a Railgunner main, in my experimentation, Sniper secondary kinda falls off on longer runs given with attack speed the rate of fire doesn't go up that much, while both Sniper and Marksman have the same Proc Coefficient meaning Marksman is better for proccing items and making it more suited for longer runs PLUS... It's higher fire rate while still being strong lets it generally 1-2 shot flying enemies very quickly while Marksman has to find a target, shoot, reload and repeat requiring a lot more time to take out swarms unless you have aoe items built in. In my experience, Sniper is fun, but needs a proc coefficient buff to say... 2.0 to be a good side-grade compared to Marksman over longer runs. Oh and you mentioned backup mags on Sniper but see, if you don't reload after the first shot the buff is already consumed meaning every backup mags shot doesn't have the bonus making it pointless meaning backup mags is always a scrapper item for Railgunner...
Yea, I think I like using the default kit more (for the BIG NUMBERS) and is crazy strong even as is, but I find Cryocharge and especially Marksman to be EASIER to use cause of that rate of fire. They don't leave me screwed if I'm very frequently skill issued and can't get my perfect shot. ...Also yeah I say don't grab mags with her on either secondary lmao
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Bit of thought on Commando phase round, the upward tilt has been a thing since forever (and as a mod fix since forever too, must have imo) and legit is the best brand procker for Commando. Only takes 2 enemies. Also with the bug modded away, the aoe of it is really nice. Making enemies be in a straight line is legit not that difficult with some movement finesse, but we Eclipse bois got that :)
thunderslam is really good because you can combine it with charged gauntlet you can very fast and do a ton of damage with both, if you do it and time it right.
I liked the commando section I could feel your train of thought
0:33 that's been a bug since forever, even before seekers of the storm. There's a mod to fix it.
It's not even really a bug, it's just how Hopoo coded the angle of projectiles with a 3rd person view.
Mercenary should keep his blinding assault instead of focused assault, since with timing, you can retain the hit box for the hit that does expose while you dash, pretty much giving you more movement and range with a relatively similar damage
Loader: I like using her default loadout except for the secondary. I don't need to swing from wisps and blind pests; I'm perfectly comfortable taking away that capability to have a ranged attack with a stun that still allows me to do my Spider-Man things from surfaces, big enemies, and my Pylon. I don't need the AOE attack because my punches can be lined up to hit enough enemies at a time anyway, and then I get more MOVSPD and some crowd control items to solve all my problems.
All this is facts but I find orangutan loader to be more consistent for eclipse. Being able to hold your utility instead of launching immediately is super useful! Since you deal more damage the faster you are moving, being able to plan out and line up one super huge fast punch to kill the boss is always satisfying. I used to like the fist that pulls wisps but I find myself using the movement of the fist way more than the damage. Thunderslam is fun, but the pylon gives extra mobility and it’s a fairly safe way to whittle down phase 4 mithrix.
0:31 this has been a thing since forever... rare non sots bug actually...
Would say that railgunner's alt secondary is better for deeper runs, as it scales incredibly well with attack speed, though getting enough attack speed in a single loop run may be unlikely.
However, the default is just much more satisfying to use and can work wonders with backup mags
"Scrap Launcher is like Artificer but worse"
Artificer's primary recharges one ammo per cooldown. Scrap Launcher recharges all of its ammo in one cooldown.
I rest my case.
as a Huntress main that uses Strafe instead of Flurry, I find Strafe to have MUCH more consistent damage overall when factoring in if an enemy dies to a single Crit arrow, you are still waiting the entire incredibly long wind down time of the full six arrow barrage without doing any damage.
Yep. Flurry effing sucks for the first few stages and there is where all the real difficulty is. Huntress has not a lot of damage but ballista and m2 does the work, she doesn't need more m1 damage later into the run.
lights out more like sharts out high five
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For Merc I would like to argue, i use uppercut, focused, and the original special, you get good damage and good I frames
Also built in defense for him kinda counteracts his low health
Minor correction: Rex’s default secondary and special are actually the self-damaging ones.
You can proc bands with commando with its default m2 quite consistently if you can hit three enemies at once
I really hope there comes a point where the unlocks aren't just upgrades/downgrades to their play style with or without much visual differences.
And that the unlock methods are more enjoyable than cheesing on Drizzle or fucking praying the stars align (Commando's Overloading Worm/Merc's Prismatic Challenge)
I think i prefer lights out to desperado, to be honest.
Pair it with a damage item and a few ukeleles, and it scratches that same part of the brain that ricoshots and coin shots in ultrakill do. The dopamine hit you get from watching that revolver spin and watching the lightning spark?
_Exquisite,_ my friends. And the damage spread is pretty good too.
Same here
It's definitely feels nice to sneak out that kill on a giant guy to fill up everything
Especially with hardlight lysite and b mags it just I like a clean sleight
I prefer to replace suppressive fire / frags with ruin using essense of herrasy
Easy to build alot of stacks, free debuff and band proc (if multiple enemies are debuffed then go closest to the enemy you wanna proc bands on)
You should for sure go over each ability in the future 👍🏼
I'm on an old gen console the alternate secondary on commando stops working when too much is going on in the game. Also, I believe the piercing shots had that bug from the beginning, at least with my experience on old gen.
"You are Eve and they are Satan. Don't take the apple." 🤣
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Pierce bug has been in the game since launch
mobile turrets are amazing if, and only if, you can get spare drone parts. the spare drone parts weapons have much longer targeting ranges than the turret laser, and can still proc the turrets items. all the range advantage of stationary turrets, but with mobility.
however, stationary turrets just work so well with little to no effort, so unless you're playing with artifact of command just use stationary ones.
Abilities I’ll always replace with heresy- commando special, captain secondary, engineer primary. MAYBE Rex utility. Occasionally acrid and loader m1
Wouldn’t recommend taking visions on engie, it changes his turret’s attack too, and it’s a huge downgrade. If you use mobile turrets though, go crazy
@@thiccum2668 does it change the mobile turrets' targeting range so they can hit things from far away?
@@catpip_ I think it does
I feel like yes chef should be the passive that activates if you hit a single enemy with all 4 abilities
I thought you were going to say "Chef's best loadout is [otherCharacter] until the rework"
that would have been funnier than i could ever be
Huntress primary choice is one of my favourite in the game. They're well balanced, although the game never seems to give me crit when I'm using flurry, I do enjoy the fact I can more easily flick with it and do decent damage because of how its a bit weird in targeting. Huge contrast to the Arrow rain vs Ballista because the latter is just so much better. I'm personally a normal Blink enjoyer though. Apart from when I have a lot of movement speed. Gets much harder to use because it just sends you way too far, though tbf just the fact Phase blink doesnt give you vertical mobility means I hate it, used it like twice and just aint for me. Also oh damn that woodland skin is goated.
Pleasee gearbox please please make the DLC worth buying i want the pretty skins and maps and sale star but can't justify it presently (especially with only just starting grinding out eclipse for the existing chars).
disagree on merc, take either of the cooldown reducing lunars (you only need one but 2 or one of each is great), and the void item that gives eviscerate charges and just spam eviscerate to be completely and utterly unkillable. expose tech is great, but who needs it when you literally cannot die and never need to worry about cooldowns ever?
I have now managed to beat false son thanks to this
7:26 "as the run gets later and later, its gonna be harder to get those kills (with the R ability)" this same thing also applies to desperado, so its kinda invalid as an argument
wat? sometimes yall like to argue just to argue lol. thats a crazy statement
it'll be just as hard at first but will then start to become easier and easier as opposed to just staying hard
Ok but have you ever considered that with blinding assault u can go zoomies AND get nostalgia by pretending that ur getting a good nanoblade off in odub
Whilst blight sucks compared to poison it’s incredibly fun imo and worth trying out
this is true
Just use blights "playstyle" while using poison for even more fun
all of these seem fine except loader is abysmal
on loader you basically always want spiked fist and charged gauntlet. thunderslam vs pylon is somewhat up to preference though
pylon gives you: anti-air, bands on aqueduct without potrolling, better movement, bigger aoe
thunderslam: better for dealing with enemies in your face, more damaging aoe, slampunch tech (incredibly op if youre good at it, otherwise meh). always take spiked fist if you use thunderslam because otherwise you have no anti-air
is it bad I asked myself "where is void fiend?"
I find Nanobomb to be much better than Cast Nanospear as if nanobomb clears out wisps easily due to the tendrils and has really good AOE and damage. In the case of Mithrix, if he gets under execute threshold, I can just use the guillotine (snap freeze) to execute him anyway. Picking Nanobomb makes her much more versatile as Cast Nanospear, as although it is good, overlaps with snapfreeze in a lot of categories, whereas Nanobomb is kinda more of a unique staple in Artificer's kit.
I'd highly reccomend using nanobomb for the increased damage and aoe, if you are a cast nano spear user, i reccomend throwing on bomb for a run and just test it out, I found it alot more versatile and had a positive impact on my runs.
"A jack of all trades is a master of none, though oftentimes better than a master of one, however pick whichever you find most fun" is my wisdom. pick your poison, or blight, even if ones better.
Loved this video overall, very cool, but you did miss that phase round can proc bands on the second enemy :D
(i use it but i also use attack direction fix mod so its actually fun, so cant speak on its balance (also direction bug always been a thing))
The Pierce Bug exists since Survivors of the Void
frag grenade also stuns, I just prefer it in general since commando struggles with aoe and frag grenade honestly does not suck as an option for that
In time, you shall repent from your heretical doubts of the commando’s might.
I will say shock beacon + hack beacon + diablo is pretty good, you throw the shock beacon inside the diablo strike and enemies get stuck.
Great video! I do have a question though, what are bands? I'm new to ROR2 and I hear that referenced often in videos.
We are so back
I use mobile turrent, and I can explain why, it's literally just fun. they give you the ability to use focus crystal and self harm more reliably, they can also use the fuel cell in one of the most questionable damage sources in the game since they walk up to enemies away from you. just quirky and fun, those stationary is better for meta, mobile is better for my heart.
fair xd. i was more talking about the people who say they're better. if ur on pc you should download the better mobile turrets mod. they go crazy
21:00 we just not gonna talk about alt secondary + predatory instincts?
Imo the best merc loadout is alt secondary, alt utility, and default special
When are we getting the Loadouts for the TRUE DLC that is Starstorm 2?
I would consider myself a loader "main" as in i play them the most. The stunning gauntlet sucks imo, always use the charge gauntlet as its big fat nut damage when you got bands and focus crystals on you. Only alternate skill i use is ground slam honestly, the drone is useful if you really hate wisps and blind pests (especially blind pests) but the slam is just another big fat damage skill that can also just bring you to the ground faster as i mainly play a spider man loader who is hyper mobile with grapple hooks and charge punching them till they die
There is a fun around mobile turrets... you only need to take a power cell.
Yes, you will die a lot from them.
All loader default but alt grapple is best. Thunder gauntlet is inferior
True
Mods in this video? Specifically the mod that tells you stage completion at 6:53
stagerecap!
I still don't understad why so many people use whirlwind on mercenary instead of rising thunder. Less damage, slower to use, arguably works worse as a mobility skill.
It's AOE(so, more damage), you can hold the button and run faster, when rising thunder slows you down, also works as a stall in a midair(take a purity and you can just fly). Arguably easier to land a hit with(thus, again, more damage overall).
0:16 someone get me that pea shooter now
I haven't played RoR2 in a hot minute, what's the new update like? I know a new company took over producing it so I'm a little skeptical.
not great rn tbh
The DLC released in a very bad state. It was very buggy (Most of it has been fixed now) item were a very mixed bag with some overpowered and some useless items (They revamped it just today so i don't know how successfully they fixed that) and the new survivor are not great (They plan to fix it in the future).
Overall it was a disastrous launch BUT they seem committed to fixing their mistakes and make it a good DLC
Does anyone know whats used to display the stats at 2:21? I'd like to know, as not knowing my stats during a run bothers me sometimes.
Is there a list for must have items for each character? I've been trying to get into risk of rain 1 and 2 for years. I main vermintide and darktide byr I play this when I get bored. Problem is om on xbox and it's basically single player cuz no one plays.
As a loader player I tend to use alt secondary and utility, but default special,. I find it just a tad faster, imo