How Long Do EV Batteries Last?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 มิ.ย. 2024
- This episode is another update on the reliability surrounding an electric vehicle over a high mileage. Here our oldest MG5 has now covered 51,250 miles over 12 months.
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MG's reputation when it comes to EV cars is getting better & better. If this is the standard of Chinese made EV's then I really am fearful for the future of the European car manufacturing industry. They've got a lot of catching up to do. Thanks for the update James.
Hopefully their pricing will force other manufacturers to alter their ridiculously priced EVs. More competition is better for the consumer 👌🏻
@@Jamesandkatethanks for rewiev!
to be fair in Europe those cars cost 2x or 4x the Chinese price.. Like Dacia or MG..
Hope somebody will do fair pricing on BYD and others soon!
Like Sandy Munro said….”it’s going to be a bloodbath”
What bench mark were you using ?
Why do people ever question Chinese products ? Seriously . iPhones are not made in China because of its cheapness , it’s s lit to do of the skill the machinists have .
That’s encouraging! One month and 1200km in to my new model MG5 👍. Also happily discovered this weekend how to reduce the sound of the indicators and startup ‘bongs’!!
how do you do that please ?
@@pjfoster5243 Note my car speaks French so the translated names are approximate! On the Home Screen (with navigation, radio, charge state, CarPlay) swipe the screen left - will show a Settings icon. Click on this and a menu will appear. Click on menu item Sounds. The next menu let’s you adjust the relative sounds of the radio, navigation etc. Choose System Alerts and reduce the volume from the default mid setting to minimum - level 2. Or increase it to maximum if you want to annoy someone!!!
Took my first electric car out last week (mg4), and it was incredible after thirty years of manual ICE
That's refreshing to hear 👌🏻
Great update. Really useful and much appreciated by someone who bought a MG5 LR on the basis of your excellent reviews (and I've never looked back - absolutely delighted with it). Thanks! Maybe you could make a video comparing how well various makes and models stand up to your Tesla Model Y Towbar Test. I'd really love to see that one! 😂🤣😂
Which model did u buy? I'm looking at getting the facelift model.
@@bobadams7654 Pre-facelift (long range Excite).
@@avidviewer1 thnx
Love these updates, so great to hear how well the MG5 is coping. We're really loving our Ioniq38kWh though, got so many bells and whistles that we'd miss now if we went to MGZS, which was my intention. Heated steering wheel for arthritic fingers and flappy paddles giving complete control over regen being just two to mention.
Cheers James 👍
The outtakes 😂. Another good video, plenty insight into running the car 👍🏽
Interesting review, based on your and other reviews on this car, I bought the new version of the MG 5 trophy on 1st February. I have covered 3000 miles so far and I am delighted with the car.
Thanks for the update James! Looking forward to the next one. 😀
Nice video James, thanks for posting. Encouraging to see how well they are holding up.
Thanks James. Very informative and helpful.
Thanks again James - another helpful and informative video....
Brilliant vlog James. Best wishes
Nice to have a perspective from a real life heavy user. My father-in-law still keeps telling me I’ll need a new battery after 3 years on my eNiro, bless him.
Oh dear, your father-in-law needs some education...or perhaps he’s beyond that stage. You can tell him that I have an early 2019 e-Niro (I live in France and we got them a bit before you in the UK)....so going on for 4 years....70,000 km, no discernible loss of range....comfortably 500 km in summer at 100% SOC, 400 km winter.
yes he's wrong on the time frame , not the need to replace it , at the 6 to 10 year mark it will need replacing, full stop . they don't last forever. degradation is a given on EVs , just in most cases it's well hidden in battery balancing in the battery management system ... until cyclical operation & aging degradation catches up with your car.
@@adonisnetworks Interesting, on what evidence do you base your guesstimate? Latest data suggests an NMC battery like that in the e-Niro will be good for 10 to 15 years (200,000) miles before it sees degradation below 80% of its original range. Bear in mind that by that mileage most ICE vehicles are either on the scrapheap or have already had expensive overhauls (not to mention about £3,000 worth of oil and filter changes). But we know the industry is moving to LFP, which are cheaper, safer, more durable though have less energy density. These should be good for 15 to 20 years. Most EVs on the road today (apart from Nissan Leaf’s) will go to scrap long after an equivalent ICE car and with their original battery intact.
Great update James. Reminds me of how the Japanese OEMs launched here in the 70s with better quality and value. We can all hear the admiration and satisfaction in your voice. 👍
Many thanks for another brilliant and informative video I have an older Leaf but looking at MG for my next car.
Another excellent report, keep up the good work 😊
Great update and great result for MG.
Good in depth short video, All the basics covered for the "doubtful" e.v older fraternity 😊
Fan-bleepin-tastic indeed. We're only a few months into our EV life with a little E-Up but would be very very tempted to swap our ICE car for one of these MGs.
Good honest review from a practising MG owner (and how!).
Great update. Wish I had opted for those rubber mats when I bought our 5 LR but I kept the fabric ones from our previous 5 SR and put ill fitting Michelin rubber mats on top which are not secured and are not very hard wearing. I don't seem to be able to get hold of the ones shown in the video🤷♂
I have had my MG5 from new from May and done 7000 miles now here in Ayrshire Scotland loving it and loving your video's and updates on your 50000 mile cars.Also a brilliant channel as regards to not just EV but your solar panels and battery system. Great stuff
Thank you, John 🙏🏼
Great video this week, especially well timed fir my mate who has one and asking how it’ll last longer term. He’s the potato doctor I mentioned that drives all over UK testing spuds during their growing seasons. He and his collie love his but he wishes he bought the LR, which wasn’t available when he bought his. Safe journeys this month!
Hopefully this will relieve any stress he may have.
Hi James, please can you help me with a recommendation, for a OBD reader/scanner for use with my 2021 MG5 LR? Just a very basic one, so that I can keep in the carat all times, just in case, as I’ve seen with other drivers having trouble when charging and have had to call someone out, they in turn use an OBD to clear the fault. Your just a great advertisement for the MG5 and they should be paying you some commission!!! 👍
Thanks for this 👍
Good one thanks
Great video👍
Love it. My mum had my old one rather than me sell it when I changed jobs and she’s loving it.
Great vlog
Hi James, another great vid!
We have a LR 5 just like this.
This may have been covered already in another vid or comments- hows the underside looking corrosion wise? Have you undersealed at all?
Nice video. Good too see these MG’s are wearing well. But you do expect a modern car EV or petrol/diesel to stay in good condition for 100k miles if it’s been treated properly. But seen that MG EV doing well does give you some confidence that they do last as long as a petrol/diesel car. Especially when you know you be buying second hand ones.
I'm very interested in the interior mirror you fitted. Recording front and back is desirable these days.
Nice video James on the 5, as are all the others. Based on your experiences and your channel alone, we've gone and ordered a new facelift 5 in grey 😀 Pick up on 30th December, happy days. BTW, when are you going to get yours hands on the new 5? Can't wait to see what you think. Merry Xmas to you all.
Just signed the paperwork to get an 2021 MG5 EV on lease next month. We've been driving a 2016 30kWh Leaf for the past 2.5 years and we're never going back to petrol. The only issues we've had we knew about going in: it doesn't go as far as we'd like, and it's a bit small for three kids. MG5 solves both of those, so very excited.
In terms of long term maintenance on the Leaf, apart from the seized brake issue you mentioned is common for Leafs, we've done nothing to it except replace the tyres and one shock after we hit a speed bump a bit quick. It's just had an MOT at 98,000 miles and had no advisories. Range has dropped to about 75% of new, but as I tell anyone who asks (and everyone asks): that's first gen battery tech with "passive" cooling. Anything made in the last 3 years will lose maybe 1% every 10,000 and now they build in a bit of overhead you won't notice that for the first two years anyway.
You're going to love the MG. In good weather you can eek out 90 miles from 30%. Let us know how you find it.
The good thing with the new MG batteries is that the modules can be replaced individually. So whether it’s down to a faulty battery or one that needs changing…
Mine is white too and have had similar chips. I am around 7k after 11 months of ownership and had no issues whatsoever and would concur with the video.
Seems like a great car, even well used. Thank you.
Hi James: Very good Update. I have a Question, How do we check the SOH of the HV Battery?
If the MG can survive the kind of duties you are using it for that is a great recommendation. It would take me about four years to do 50k miles.
Great vid, just bought an MG4 so very reassuring. May I ask where you get the data about the battery health? Is there some diagnostic tool that can be plugged in? Thanks!
Great video again 👍🏻 i have test driven a mg4 which is very good but the boot is small, so can’t decide between it an an mg5 which has a bigger boot but the look of the car is a bit dated. Decision Decision. 🙂
New MG5 about to launch which is a much better looking car.
Buy the MG4. Great car too.
Hi James. Brilliant videos as always. I do have one question as I am about to purchase an MG5 but wanted your opinion on it. I have the option of 2 cars, one has done 3,000 miles and the other has done 22,000, both are MG5 LR on 71 plates. The higher mileage one is over £3000 cheaper but the higher mileage was a concern to me. If it has been rapid charged constantly (no way of really knowing) will that be bad for the battery over 20,000 miles? I’m assuming as it has that many miles chances are it has been rapid charged a lot.
Also, I have seen conflicting info regarding the make up of the LR 61kw battery. Is it definitely lithium iron? I would rather that as they seem to have the longevity over other types, also I would rather charge it to 100% as and when I can for range purposes.
Thanks for your time.
Thanks ... you're coming to give my 5 a service in 10 days.
Excellent video. Would be amazing to do a proper battery degradation test as the car ages.
Certainly will do that as the mileage goes up.
Jonny Smith mentioned you in his new MG5 review, I’m sure I’ve seen you before on one of the other EV/car channels. I’m tempted to go electric but don’t have home charging available, so the costs don’t stack up just yet.
What's the make and model on that rearview camera? TIA
Great results. Don't often see them here though. It's less popular than the ZS.
Whilst this would be the better choice in efficiency and space.
Thats because it looks a bit naff, the revised model looks a lot better which might make it more popular.
Very small car for large person. No head room or width
We were thinking about the MG5 EV, but they're not going to be made available in New Zealand. Interesting and sad to see that the battery is showing signs of degradation so soon. We have a 2017 Ioniq 28kWh that has nearly done 100,000km and still reporting SoH of 100% of usable battery capacity and the same range that it had when new.
Oh the joy living in the UK and not having to change your tyres winter/summer twice a year. With living in Canada I’m going tomorrow to have them changed over, it’s the only time my Kona E ever goes into a garage ! 😊
Ah, but here in Scotland our family all change to winter tyres on October and back again in April
@@enyaq_gorm Pleased to hear that Scotland still has a winter, my family in Lancashire report that their climate fluctuates little. Over here everyone must have winter tyres on their car by December 1st by law.
@@victorseal9047 oh it fluctuates all right, but winter tyres are better below 7 degrees. So it's below 7 for months on end 😁
@@enyaq_gorm Yup, I lived in Aberdeen for a while. In another three weeks we’ll be in the minuses and stay there until the beginning of April, although it sounds a torture the air is dry and providing you wrap up well it’s not too disagreeable.
@@victorseal9047 yeah I have cousins in Canada and the air there is much drier so it somehow feels less cold when the air temp is the same
Hi James got a quick question regarding the E niro what milage does the coolant need to be replaced my manual says 40,000 miles is that correct. Cheers if you can help matey
It is, but it doesn't need changing. Purely a revenue stream for dealers. Get it tested, if it's ok, leave it.
Taxi driver here in Dublin told me that MG stands for 'much grief'. We have an incentive scheme here for taxi drivers to move to EV. As a result it is difficult to find a fast charger during the day cos the taxis are charging. The problem with the MG5 seems to be that the taxis are only charging them on fast chargers and the batteries are not up to that. My KIa Soul EV manual specificially says to charge on AC as much as possible.
Ours has been rapid charged 118 times in the first year, the battery cooling and capacity mean your rarely exceed 1C, which is where a battery is comfortable. So far the battery is excellent 👍🏼
That AC rule in the manual is save reasoning. It's made to do DC too. Just use what you need when you need it.
No taxi driver in Dublin would know anything about battery cooking or Deg. It’s not a LEAF
Hi James. It’s amazing how the car is standing up to all the weight and miles. Out of interest do you have any idea what the cost per mile is bearing in mind you do a lot of public chargiy?
Last time I tried to quantify this it came in at 7p. This was over a 3 month spell.
@@Jamesandkate and including a mix of real world on the road and overnight charging, very encouraging. A saving worth £7500 over 50k miles
I've done 10k miles in my Mg5 EV since June. My only real complaint is the centre console screen can be a bit buggy and slow. Sometimes it has done like a restart mid journey leaving me without directions for s few minutes pretty much same as James describes. Must be a common issue
Hi, likewise, my MG5 screen does some strange things at times. Love the car though 👍
Would love to know the make of the seat covers. Mine is on 80000 miles still exactly as yours, except battery is still on 100% SOH
Hi how did you obtain that battery condition number please? I've had mine through first service and they didn't give anything useful, in fact all it said on the service sheet was 'checked' about 6 things! Cheap compared to ICE servicing but not really value for money as I reckon they could have checked those things in about 15 mins tops. Thanks for the regular updates, great to see it waring so well!
We have diagnostic equipment that allows us to draw this info from the BMS. The dealer should really supply.this info in my opinion.
@@Jamesandkate Thanks, and agree!
Great video, it's going to take me about 7 years to reach this mileage in my mg5. In your experience, what affect does time have on the EV batteries? In 7 years what could I expect my SOH to be?
You will see the normal 5% degradation, that's unavoidable. However, if you look after it, it will be fine. 10%-90% working window as much as possible, avoid 100% SOH for prolonged periods of time, but use it as you need.
On a different note. I notice that when I drive in the evening these days the front of my car has very few dead insects on it. This is quite worrying really. Is it the same where you live? (I wonder if it is just because it is so built up now in my part of the country). Interesting to see how the MG is holding up.
Maybe the aerodynamics push them over the top?
How is the headlights at night driving please? Cos mine is terrible in the darkness. I can barely see ahead enough to drive at 50 on the motorway to Stansted Airport.
We upgraded to LEDs for exactly this reason. Amazon for some HB7's 👍🏼
Thank you
I changed mine to upgraded bulbs and made a big difference cost about £20 and 20min to fit easy
What rear view camera are you using please?
This one. It will be slightly obscured by the front camera but it still gives good quality results
ThiEYE Carview3 2.5K Mirror Dash Cam 10" Full Touch Screen Front and Rear Dual Lens Dash Cameras for RHD Cars Waterproof Backup Camera with Sony Senso www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B088LSXWCC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_ld58lUi8ePimi
@@Jamesandkate thank you!
Hi m8 I am buying an MG ZS to use as a taxi what will be the cost of a service cheers
Sorry but my question is completely irrelevant to this video but I’m contemplating getting an Tesla model 3 and I know that you have/had one.
Is the information I’ve seen correct, do you have to pay the old still road fund licence (tax) and if so what’s the yearly cost and does the cost go down over it 5th birthday??
Thanks for your help in advance.
My father has an MG5 Long Range in silver, which he’s been driving since January. So far he hasn’t even put it through a car wash, giving it just an occasional wipe down with a cloth.
Can you recommend any technicians in the Republic of Ireland?
Has your company considered getting a VW ID Bus Cargo over a facelifted MG?
Which dashcam did you install?
www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B088LSXWCC/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_ld58lUi8ePimi
@@Jamesandkate thanks James
Hi all, I've got a 2015 Nissan E-NV200 24Kw, battery still seems ok after
nearly 108,000 on the clock and still on original brake pads, fuel running costs? LESS THAN £1000, not bad eh
30k in mine in less than a year, it's hard work sometimes, but not too bad.
Are the batteries LFP in this vehicle?
No. Sadly.
Seen a lot of comments on FaceBook about getting hold of MG spares, even down to brake discs. Is there any truth in this?
how do got battery Percentage (ie97%)???
Diagnostic equipment.
Did I miss the part about how long EV batteries last? Or was it simply it is still going after 50k miles. Any comment on battery degradation?
From all the reports it looks like the mg4 is getting 3.5mile per kwh approx. Surprised with this being a bigger car with the work equipment added weight and not being a ground up EV that it seems to be more efficient!
It's the horrible front end. Double edged sword. Looks naff, goes well 😂
@@Jamesandkate 😂 you win some you lose some 😂
The steering wheel looks like the one in my Fiat 500
It's a VW steering wheel apparently
42K for original tyres ! 👍
I'm almost over that for the second MG5. Still have 5mm remaining all round so going to go for 50k.
That’s brutal. The leaf cleared 70k avg
As far as I am concerned there is a big question mark over battery capacity longevity. I have a Nissan leaf 30 kwhr 6.6 charger Teckna that is 6 1/2 years old with under 30k miles bought brand new by myself and has never been abused, residing in the NE of temperate England. It has lost 3 battery bars and 1/4 of it's range / battery capacity. I hear you say, ah yes, ambient air cooled battery management and that is what I thought as well. That is until
' battery life ' channel demonstrated that his liquid managed battery in his id3 had lost 10% capacity in 2 years, which is similar to mine. I also have a diesel merc e class that is 14 years old and still does 650 miles at 70 mph at 51 mpg. New technology is supposed to be better than what went before, clearly it isn't !
I have just had a short 6 day break in the Scottish Highlands, doing 1200 miles in that time with a home to hotel journey of 347 miles, no long stops, no charging, just drive and 5 minute toilet stops, with still just under 1/2 tank left when we arrived. Wouldn't dream of doing it in a leaf or any other electric car for that matter, with the disastrous infrastructure and poor electric ranges on offer.
MG5 or MG4??
Waiting for 15 year review. 12 months isn't much at all.
The car has only been available to buy for 18 months 🤷🏻♂️
Electric cars are for 4 year olds at xmas.
Unfortunately they are also Chinese, I know we all have things made in China, but at the moment I feel that buying something so expensive from China in view of their human rights and support of Russian is questionable.
Imagine how I feel when I have to use British or American products ...
@@IbrahimNgeno
I’m sure your very very happy
Don’t then. And stop commenting crap for peoples to read. Can get back the time. Unfortunately it’s Chinese. Ffs😊
James do you have a business email I can contact you on please? Cheers