One personal flaw I see with Zootopia is that you'd expect in a world where animals evolved, and humans either never existed or just went extinct, that their society would be unique and quite interesting, instead we are met with a pretty much normal human world just with furries instead of humans.
Well that explains a lot on why it’s so popular with that depraved group known as furries. Speaking of which they will likely ruin the Zootopia land if it came to the U.S.A in ways such as greasing the gator and petting the cat on the ride, hence why I hope it stays in Shanghai.
You can't remove a story too much from human experience or else you can't relate to it. If their society doesn't look anything like human society, if there's nothing we understand or relate to, what's the point of the story? What are we supposed to learn? As it is, I feel like Zootopia changed their world so much that racism in Zootopia doesn't really parallel human racism because all of the different species actually are REALLY different. There are profound racial differences in Zootopia, whereas human beings aren't that different across racial groups.
@@gamera5160 I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some sort of similarity with human society, but a world or a society doesn't have to be the same to ours for us to relate to, "Oh wow animals use cellphones too! That's so relatable!" you'd expect animals to understand how to take care of their planet better than humans, yet they drive cars, probably have planes, they eat human food, etc. I'm also not saying that their world should be a perfect paradise, but make it unique and different from ours, dare I say it, the more a world is similar to ours the less relatable and interesting it gets.
Though with this I'm not saying that every single movie which features a different species has to have it's own different society, like I said this is just a personal flaw of mine, a nitpick, if you prefer Zootopia to be the way it is then it's totally fine!
@@nicholassims9837 Ah yes, abusing authority, overruling her superiors, blackmailing, working with the mafia, such an inspiring figure of "the law" LMFAO
@@nicholassims9837 So, it's acceptable for cops to make deals with hustlers and mobsters for the "greater good" ? LMFAO Frank Serpico would get a stroke from reading this and Paolo Borsellino would be rolling in his grave.
Animal Farm is an allegory. Zootopia is an otherwise above average Family Comedy that was ruined by ham-fisted social commentary that doesn't fit within the world they've established and plot contrivances and lackluster worldbuildin'.
I would argue that the problem lies not in the social commentary. There are two main messages here: "Don't discriminate against people" and "not everything is how it seems", which plays into the former. It is a nice, feel good message you can drop on your kids. Where it fails I think are the internal contradictions. There is no way for example that a city the size of Zootopia doesn't have e.g. rodent only apartment buildings, or barring that, a normal apartment building which has one or two rooms refurbished to become rodent sized. How exactly are you going to police something like that without rodent police officers? What about Firemen? Plumbers? Electricians? Heck, even the prejudice against predators COULD be entirely justified. What are the chances that the agression coded predators relapse sometime and as a result, predators commit more violent crimes? What if the opening blurb is a lie and the occasional case of "cannibalism" DOES happen? Suddenly this reverses the dynamic between Judy and her parents, who change from unreasonable paranoid to not wanting something bad to happen to their overly idealistic little girl. You know, stuff like that. It's not horrible, just horribly clunky.
Also, since Nick mentions when Judy confronts and questions him about Emmitt Otterton that he has been a con artist and hustler since the age of 12, did he run away from home at some point after the Junior Ranger Scouts incident? And why would he do something like that, anyway?
Why can the defense weapons that judy parents gave just be an standard defense weapon.( Get rid off the fox imagery) You know make it more subtle and make it more sense because real life cops have these for self defense or stopping crime.
Speaking as someone who has been blackmailed in the past I want to say the movie having Judy do that to Nick is really scum because to be blackmailed on the spot is the worst feeling you'll ever feel and or witness in your entire life. Like I am surprised Nick remand so stoic about it. I'm a very quiet and very stoic man and I was a fucking mess of a human being when it happened to me. I thought it was the end of the world itself that day. You do not get to joke about blackmail. Don't ever treat it like spraying a cat with water. You are going to ruin someone's life with such data in the palm of your hands. That is a fucking bomb as far as you're concerned.
Why do we never learn anything else about Nick's upbringing and home life? He says that "my mom scraped together enough money to buy a brand-new uniform" which I have always assumed meant that his family was poor, but then what happened to Nick's mother? Does he ever even tell her about the entire Junior Ranger Scouts incident? Surely she would have taken (legal) action of some sort against the organization for her son being abused and tormented like that? Why were there seemingly no adults present to supervise the troop? And since Nick never even mentions his father, what happened to him? Did he leave his wife and son for some as-yet unknown reason? Is it a broken family?
Poor people can’t afford legal representation in general, and since predators are supposedly a discriminated minority in this universe, no lawyer probably would take their case much how black people had/ (and still oftentimes do) have basically zero legal recourse for things that happened to them.
Heck, for all we know, the adult scout leaders could have been in on the abuse that traumatized Nick. There could have been an adult herbivore animal egging on the other kids to torment Nick, but we just never see them in Nick's flashback. Nick could probably remember that the kids were just jerks that traumatized him for life for no reason. He could have told his mom but thanks to their living situation, they can't afford a lawyer and it's pretty much the prey kids' words against Nick's. Who would even believe a predator being picked on by a bunch of prey animals? I am probably giving this movie too much thought than it deserves. At least, if they are going to have double standards, make it obvious. Like Julie being a rabbit and nearly killed by Gideon being a fox would just be seen as predictable and stereotypical. However, a bunch of prey kids tormenting the only predator in their scout troop is just not the same because prey is seen as harmless and weak and predators are seen as scapegoats and violent.
@@fritosalad5853 Unless of course it was another predator lawyer. Which kinda kills the second part of your argument. The mayor of the town is a LION, ffs, and the police force has a lot of predators as well. It's one of the reasons why the movie doesn't work if you see it purely as an alegory for racial discrimination.
@@Alexander_Kale So what? Your entire argument is that predators hold positions of power and that’s that? The US had a black President, so is racism fixed?
Supposedly according to at least one of the directors, his mother is still alive. That still doesn’t explain why his backstory could give off vibes that she is deceased, maybe he is estranged from his mother for whatever reason?
I still think the race allegory could work if all the characters were ONE species of animal - be it cats, rabbits, foxes, whatever. Then you could really nail home just how ridiculous racism is by, for example, having one rabbit pull pepper spray on another or something else.
this video was bad faith from start to finish. The guy is just projecting how soft he is. It was and is a good movie. Foxes have a bad reputation in this world. having anti-Fox spray is not racism. Girls have pepper spray in their pockets when they go to the club are they automaticaly racist now? I was really impressed by disney there. It's a movie about discrimination but it focuses mainly on the Zootopia universe.
@@suzukisuzuki-md8fl Pepper spray works the same against any human attacker, regardless of race or sex. Fox repellent is specifically targeting one species(race). And most ridiculously you say "foxes have bad reputation in this world, having anti-fox spray is not racism". That's textbook racism you nittwitt.
.....Does Sheev not know that sheep aren't skinned to get their wool? Sheep aren't killed to get their wool. Getting sheep's wool is basically a haircut for them. And the skunk butt rug is made out of the hair found on a skunk's butt, not literally a butt cut off from a skunk. A skunk most likey had their butt shaved for that rug.
Yeah, I think the incident was Nick had a rug business on one side and a barbershop on the other and this fusion of scams screwed him when Mr Big figured it out.
Man, I never really cared for this movie, but I never acturally put together how bad it is. But I guess Judy's luck could be attributed to her two lucky rabbit's feet?
Or a class Career Day where the parents of different Bunnyburrow animals come in to discuss their careers, and have Judy express her own desires to be a police officer rather than a carrot farmer. Come to think of it, doesn't Bunnyburrow have its own police, and why doesn't Judy try to find something in her own hometown. Perhaps because there would be less opportunities in a rural area like Bunnyburrow.
honestly i feel like the problems with the messaging in zootopia run even worse considering the intro. the way i interpreted it from there was that the predators were actually white people given gideon’s inflections with how he talked to the sheep and judy. combined with his little thing later in the movie where he’s giving a sort of “reformed racist” speech to judy, who in this scenario would be some minority, but given the aforementioned inflections in the intro possibly intended to be black. and that left me confused for the rest of the movie where by and large predators are instead considered to be the oppressed and feared minority. meaning either immediately after the intro or somehow before it was come up with, the script flips and suddenly predators are black and prey are white. which makes the intro weird. the mixed metaphors then continue on to cause the movie’s plot to break down, because it’s not like that for the whole rest of the movie, as before mentioned it goes back for a moment when gideon apologises. the movie just can’t decide what the intended message is. or, and i think this is funnier, there’s actually no intended script flip from the intro at all and they’ve (intentionally or not) made a movie where the primary message is “white people are being oppressed by minorities”.
i hate the fact the last message is becoming more real because "the sins of the fathers" thing (if you dont know, its blaming someone for their ancestors or family members for the sake they are related to it despite not being in the act or even supporting it.)
I feel this movie would have been better if Gazelle was the villain, with Bellwether maybe being her minion and spy. It would be more surprising and catch you off guard, with the very popular and loved celebrity who preaches friendship and kindness and shows worry over her city going into chaos being a prey-supremacist who is the mastermind behind the whole plot. It wouldn't be perfect or anything but it would have been much better than the actual main villain we got. You guys did a good job explaining everything else wrong with the movie so I won't go into it more, but I will say the original drafts of this movie were probably better than the final cut.
Ngl that actually sounds like a really cool idea, like she’d be the kind of political-pandering type that people worship, and her villainy would come out of left field given how there isn’t much focus on her until the finale. I dig it!
@Nickwilde2295 Freedom of speech goes both ways, which you conveniently ignored. He can like it, and I can dislike it. But what we cannot do is gatekeep movies, and that's exactly what he was doing. I'm sorry that you're too dense to see it, but that is not my problem.
When talking about the world building not making sense, you mention that dogs don’t appear because humans weren’t around to domesticate them, yet domestic pigs and sheep appear in this movie. How did they come to exist if the humans didn’t domesticate them?
There's something about Zootopia that perplexes me, predators are a stand in for people of colour, yet in Zootopia, predators occupy the higher echelons of political and economic power, by this logic, Zootopia would be analogous to apartheid South Africa, the predators would have been have unfortunately fit the role of the Afrikaners. Moreover, Zootopia makes the mistake that thinks predation equals violence, herbivores can kill to, just because they do not hunt, do not mean herbivores are not capable being dangerous, in the wild, herbivores are in competition with other herbivores, and will fight to the death holding onto grazing territory. Zootopia has another gaping hole - omnivores, skunks, squirrels, chipmunks, sloths, swine, bears and foxes, yes Nick Wilde is an omnivore, yet he counts as predator, even though in the wild, foxes tend to forage more than they hunt, but that's not all. Bellwether is suppose to be the villain, yet it's Judy who commits the most crimes, her deeds exceed Nick, Mayor Lionheart, Mr. Big, Duke Weaselton, even Bellwether combined, the amount of corruption Judy does is enough to be committed to prison for decades, on top of public endangerment, abuse of authority, blackmail, aiding and abetting, dereliction of duty, and tampering with evidence, she would have been kicked off the force, and given a dishonorable discharge, but because Judy is the main character, she is given a get-out-of-jail free card, honestly, BNA and Beastars are better than Zootopia, so I recommend giving these a watch instead, the book Maus is also better than Zootopia.
Definitely agreed on Beastars. 👍 Heck, Beastars also did the whole thing with Legoshi and Sebun and the whole thing with her being unjustly treated far better. And speaking of similar stuff, I say, what the heck was up with Nick being a legit creep by invading Bellwether's personal space and touching her wool? Because, Beastars did something similar, but showed how that's literally harassment (and also touched upon issues women face in workplaces), and the fact that Zootopia did something similar as a joke is just... Another better film with anthro animals Saberspark covered was Animalympics, and even that did the whole predator and prey becoming a couple better than Zootopia.
I think they 'wanted' to make a messaging along the lines of others seeing differences and creating split communities and 'building walls, not bridges', but tried to play every side of it rather than focus on a singular point of predators vs prey and hoped that everyone would just go along with it. Like how Judy does the 'we rabbits can call each other cute but when other animals do it it's a problem' joke to Clawhowzer. And the other aspects like Judy breaking the law they play off with it being a more comedic kids film or like other cop shows that try to balance on the line of legal and straight up criminal acts. I think overall the movie is decent and a good laugh, but it certainly missed the mark on a lot of things. Still, I definitely prefer that they try and make new things rather than constantly remake movies in 'live action' and just ruin the original story.
So last year I did a marathon rewatch for all the Disney animated movies to prepare myself for the movie that ultimately didn’t end up watching When I got to the 2010s Disney movies, I realized A LOT OF THEM HAVE AGED HORRIBLY. Only 3 Disney movies from that decade are still really good and worth rewatching every time Tangled, Wreck it Ralph(THE ONLY ONE) and Moana. I can’t stand all the stand any of the other Disney movies that came out. Winnie the Pooh is directed by Don Hall so it’s annoying, patronizing and boring. Frozen is Overrated and Frozen 2 is horrible, Big Hero 6 was rightfully deconstructed by Schafrillas and Raisorblade, and Zootopia I just can’t rewatch again
Big hero six is very bad, and the series is worse..... and I really like it lol. Guilty pleasure. And it's really pretty. Which isn't a good defense, but..
I agree. The "Revival Era" (as the 2010s are often referred to) is mostly bland, overrated, politicized Tangled/Frozen clones. Dizzy female lead, cynical non-romantic male co-lead, they both embark to find/save a McGuffin thinking it will solve all their problems, hijinks ensue that often involve mocking old Disney tropes, a lazy plot-twist villain is shoehorned at the end, the female lead is now "strong and independent". There, I summed up Frozen, Zootopia and Moana for you.
Honestly Bellwether and Evelyn Deavor have the same problem in their helping the protagonists. It was one of the reasons why I was so disappointed with The Incredibles II.
I think as time has gone on, we’ve now started noticing this after a decade in f it being around. I think Schaffrilas said it best when everytime you watch this movie, the more unsubtle the message becomes and how comparing people to predator animals is kinda f*cked up
Honestly, I've been saying for YEARS that Disney was in creative bankruptcy since Frozen and Big Hero 6. The 2010s movies are a bunch of sanitized, boring, politicized movies with maladjusted messages. Frozen existed only to mock old Disney tropes, Big Hero 6 was a bland HTTYD wannabe with all the most generic superhero and Disney tropes in it, Zootopia was politicized drivel with furries, Moana started out nice, but then devolves into essentially Frozen on the sea. Ralph Breaks The Internet was a shameless self-advertisement by Disney with a hollow story that ruined the original movie. And Frozen 2 was a sequel so flimsy, so devoid of real stakes that failed to justify its existence, while pushing more political drivel about imperialism.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Hello. Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the movie Tangled?? I haven't seen it in years, so I don't remember much about it. Like yeah, I get the issues with the other Disney 2010s era movies, but I'm just wondering cuz I know Wreck it Ralph is a really good movie, and also Moana (kinda)...
@@saragarnica723 I like Tangled very much, actually. It feels like a proper update on the Renaissance-type movies, the characters are well written, likable and memorable, the plot is actually consistent, the music is great, being the last one composed by Alan Menken. It did set a few annoying tropes Disney can't seem to move on from like the dizzy awkward female lead, the cynical male lead who isn't exactly romantically involved with her (Eugene is, but they pretty much recycled and flanderized his character trope again and again), and the road movie plot with subversions (again, not as bad as Frozen or Zootopia). I really wanted to like Moana, but I hate Maui too much and the constant mocking of Disney tropes is obnoxious.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 There is indeed a massive echo chamber you are not wrong. For example I have seen an overall lack of criticism on the whole Zootopia land in Shanghai Disney which I hope NEVER gets brought to the U.S.A. since I know full well the furries would ruin it for everybody and they would be doing things like greasing the gator and petting the cat on the awful dark ride.
I agree with some of your points, however I take umbrage with your claim that this is worse than Dial of Destiny. This movie's issues are confined to itself since it was an original IP, whereas Dial of Destiny retroactively hurts the whole franchise- which I consider far worse. Dial of Destiny deliberately undid the ending to Crystal Skull and contradicted the canon of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. It constantly teased series staples- a Pat Roach-style big guy fight, Sallah on another adventure- only to not deliver. Even the iconography of Indiana Jones is neglected: Indy never uses his trademark revolver, his famous bullwhip is only used twice (the fewest times in any Indy film), there's only one booby trap, et cetera. TL;DR, I would argue Dial of Destiny is far worse because it isn't a standalone film and its existence harms other entries in its franchise.
Honestly, that’s fair. Though I’ll say as a series of isolated events, Zootopia does at least meet Dial of Destiny, if not surpasses it in how illogical the story was. But yeah you’re probably right that given the context of the previous films it makes Dial worse.
That is true any bad sequel to a good film is far worse than a standalone bad movie since at least the standalone movie doesn’t ruin anything that existed before it. It’s why for example Ralph Breaks The Internet (a movie where many of the same people who worked on Zootopia like Bitch Moore also worked on that movie unfortunately) is far worse than The Emoji Movie.
With the odd racism thing to Nick. as a person from a country where Anti-sectarianism was once very common (anti-sectarianism is kinda hard to explain but its basically racism in broad strokes as its to do with being Irish or British & they are tied to two christian sects Catholics & Protestants) So from what I know of a guy who became part of the UVF he was thrown into the river by some catholics as a kid as the troubles began & I cannae explain it well but its the start of his beliefs about Catholics which put him on a path that'd lead to him being in the UVF which did stuff like bombings & shootings & troubles. Anyway Jun Tzu's album the Troubles explains the life of his father (for the most part) & in the song "a cause worth fighting for" it pretty well sumerises how the children develop the bigoted views that would lead to years of pain. The Album is wonderful & today with the whole Hamas thing it taught me an very important lesson that terrorists shouldn't just be dehumanised & you should try & reverse radicalisation in other ways like in Northern Ireland where we undid it by having both sides come to a peace agreement which lead to a shitty government & the end of the majority of Paramilitary violence. My Uncle Brian Barton wrote a book or two on this from a centrist view he worked in queens as a professor of History & that also does a good job of explaining it. Despite all this I'd say the kids didnae do something that'd cause what the movie claims.
Does anybody else realize that Smellweather's head is shaped like a cone? A racist with a white cone hair style, very eerily similar to the hood of a certain racist organization...
It’s pure copaganda and bizarre at many points. Forget the plot contrivances; predator and prey is one of the worst ways to analyse minority relations, because it’s a disgustingly racist allegory. Also I love how one of the main plot points is a cop blackmailing a minority and almost getting them killed by the mafia because they wouldn’t accept parking duty.
Yes, she blackmailed him. She illegally used his tax records (that she shouldn’t have access to) in order to extort him into helping her follow a missing persons case, which is unbelievably dangerous. Doesn’t matter if he’s a criminal, that’s illegal to begin with and she would be fired as soon as Bogo learned what happened.
There's also the fact that half the time predators are treated like the oppressive Majority and half the time as the oppressed Minority. You can't really swap back and forth that easily.
Nobody is shaming anybody lol. Enjoyment of a film isn’t some kind of moral issue, but it’s an entirely valid criticism to discuss how the film fails in multiple different ways in conveying its message.
Judy's not even a forensic profiler, so she has no reason to be the spokesperson. 36:33 Well, it could be like Beastars. People in that universe sell their eggs to get a profit. At least, that's somewhat explanable.
That last guy sounds like he's got some deep seeded issues he needs to work through, not every copper is a bloodthirsty psycho who only goes out to look for any excuse to shoot some black people 'merely for existing'. To claim that it is the status quo requires arrogance of the highest degree. Especially when its tied to the main characters PTSD from nearly being blinded in one eye after getting clawed by a fox as a child
If I was the writer for this movie I would never mention it in my Resume. A story about racism cannot be described through animals. Carnivores and Herbivores are fundamental features that cannot be changed unlike ideologies or religious beliefs.
This movie only doesn't make sense until you realize discrimination is a norm in their society. In fact, everyone is encouraged to discriminate. Which makes it hillarious. They say shit to each other things that we'd never get away with irl. Its the most based thing ever because everyones got thick skin.
Part of what gets me is that they don't seem to know which way they want to go. It starts out clearly discussing how the poor herbivores were oppressed and victimized by carnivores, which to me seemed to almost approach antebellum South with herbivores being black and carnivores being white. Then there were several scenes where again carnivores were kind of presented as having the sort of social position of the Majority commonly associated with white people in modern society, as carnivores held positions of authority in many places and the only herbivores that had any authority at all gained it by being huge. Then, despite portraying predators as the oppressors who'd dehumanized the herbivores' ancestors and still kept more power, it simultaneously presents them as the ones that everyone hates and sees as latent criminals whose very nature was violent and uncivilized, to the point that the predators were the ones suddenly arrested in bulk and rejected as "savages". Doesn't entirely fit, and feels like a confused allegory.
I find it funny that those boy scouts find Nick as a threat when there's a fucking Hippo with them, those things when fully grown can be 100 times more dangerous than a Fox. Also I think Nick's probable reason as to why he chose to be a low life isn't because of discrimination because he's a predator, but rather because his a fox, in the ending it's revealed that Nick is the first fox joining the police, so maybe there's discrimination to him being specifically a Fox and not just a predator, hell, maybe other predators discriminate them too. But that also runs into a problem since Judy was also the first rabbit officer, and it isn't like other species were racist towards bunnies, she was actually allowed to join the academy and all, yeah sure once she actually joined the police she wasn't really seen as a capable officer, but it isn't like she couldn't outright join them because of what species she is.
The problem is we are essentially comparing alien racism to human racism. They are not the same thing! Also the part where Judy almost commits murder with a train is just so ridiculous I had to stop watching the movie. I finished the movie like a week later.
32:00 Not a sexism allegory. It's literally because she's a bunny. There's other women in the police force that aren't treated this way, namely the elephant.
Or, instead of some sort of play at a rural fair or festival, (incidentally, there was an alternate opening storyboarded with children in a classroom discussing their dreams and hopes, though still with the cringey costume stuff), have it be a class show and tell scenario.
In my personal biased opinion this film's main issue is that it aged poorly. We're not talking "Oh, some of the jokes just aren't as acceptable as they used to!" kind of aged poorly, we're talking full blown having your house swarmed with people in hazmat suits due to dangerous chemicals kind of aged poorly. The reason why is because due to let's just say not so nice recent real world events that has happened recently, that just the idea of watching this movie makes me die on the inside knowing that I used to love this film back in 2016 and up until recently as I got older due to the stuff of what I mentioned earlier in this comment and due to just common sense in general. The only reason why I'm even watching this video is just to 100% see if I'm *really* the only one that either word for word feels this way or at the very least have similar opinions on the movie as a whole.
I feel very much the same mostly, these days I criticize my 16 year old self for enjoying that movie knowing full well I was trying to ignore the badly done racism metaphor. Thankfully I eventually stopped (which didn’t take too long) and now I know better then to enjoy such a cringy film like this.
@steverogers-zx1iq Here's something for you, kiddo. Can you stop with the spamming? Yeah, not fun when you're called out, is it? You've been called out a lot, and then just dropped conversation to spam your brain fried takes in other replies.
What makes matters worse is that I believe that the original plot/story has at least a 50% chance of doing what the current version is trying to do a lot better, but no they scrapped the original idea because it was "Too miserable" or something. Not to mention that I personally feel that 99% of the problems boil down to how things would've been better if Judy was either written better or have been replaced with a much better protagonist. Of course I'm planning on watching "Zootopia 2", but mainly just to see if Disney does a better job this time or somehow makes it just as bad if not worse than "Zootopia".
One more thing about Bellwether, you didn't point out one more thing. Her plan is not only self-sabotaging because of her helping Judy actively, but also because it's so self defeating is dumb. If she wanted to effectively push her anti-predator narrative home, why didn't she just have them shot in BROAD DAYLIGHT and CROWDED areas, so that they would hurt people, therefore make her look justified ? No, she had them shot at complete random in isolated locations, then the Mayor's goons _conveniently_ scoop them up and quarantine them, in order to wait for the one cop with a functioning brain to come along and blame it on Lionheart. Her entire motivation boils down to "Mayor Omni Man is a meanie to me, so all predators suck". God, is my blood boiling now......
Why would you say something so controversial and yet so brave? This was an interesting video with great points about the world building and message being so confusing and poorly constructed they crash into each other and implode in on themselves. Fox and the Hound does the message better and Homestuck with Alternia and the Trolls are better at both. To keep the latter brief, while we don't get to spend a lot of time on Alternia before the larger plot of the comic takes precedent, the hemospectrum, a system where the color of your blood determines your social class (reds to yellows at the bottom, greens in-between, blues and purples at the top), is still set up as why hatred and prejudice is a rampant disease in Troll society, and how the 12 Trolls we follow find it stupid to varying degrees and formed their friend circle in spite of it. While the different castes have certain characteristics exclusive to them (violet and fuchsia bloods being aquatic, goldbloods being psionically gifted, jadebloods being resistant to strong solar rays, etc) the message isn't mangled beyond recognition because Trolls are a single species akin to humans instead of Zootopia bringing in as many animals as possible with wildly varying stats that comparison becomes apples and oranges.
The worldbuilding in this film is genuinely laughable. It contradicts itself at almost every avenue to the point where it becomes self-sabotage. And that twist… Holy balls that twist is bad. Thank you for dissecting this messy film in the excruciating detail most of us couldn’t.
I think a better use of the racial allegory would be The Land Before Time, which does use dinosaurs as a bit of an allegory for racism, but specifically uses herbivorous dinosaurs to convey the message. The dinosaurs know that the differences between them are arbitrary but still don’t intermingle with each other because to them that’s just how it is, but the movie also shows the benefits that come from working together, as the kids use each species’ strengths to help each other out. I think it works much better than Zootopia because none of the dinosaurs are treated as stand ins for specific racial groups, and it’s also told through the eyes of kid who are only just being told about these things, therefore aren’t as rooted in their ways as the adults are, so are more willing to change.
Honestly, I feel like a less problematic way to open the film might have been something like some children watching a history documentary in a classroom providing exposition on the world, Perhaps a movie about the Predator vs. Prey conflict in a theater, or a group of schoolchildren or something like that touring the natural history museum.
Cats Don't Dance did this entire metaphor 10x better 19 years before Zootropolis. They found away around the issues of using animal characters for a racism allegory by taking the Looney Tunes route by having anthro animals and humans existing in the same universe. Go watch it if you haven't.
Aw yes for NO GOOD REASON they changed the name of the film in the U.K to Zootropolis, although I would argue that name might actually be better, especially since it’s quite stupid to name your city with the word utopia in it for many reasons. Either way the name change was ridiculous for the simple fact that the U.K also speaks English (with some differences) much like the U.S.A.
37:12 Minor nitpick to your nitpick, but sheep aren't skinned for their wool, they're sheared. It doesn't hurt them if it's done properly. In fact, they need to be sheared regularly or their wool becomes overgrown, and it becomes a health hazard to them because we've bred them to overproduce it. A sheep in the Zootopia universe could feasibly start their own business selling their own wool.
For years I've been saying just how overrated this movie. I was kicked out of the Disney Wiki years ago for taking an unorthodox stance. It's preachy, it's overindulgent, tries too hard to be hip, cool and raunchy, can't decide whether it's a lol random buddy comedy or a "thought provoking" crime drama, the characters are insufferable, the villain is lazy and her plan makes no logical sense. But because "Funny sloth guy" and "muh tollerance message", everyone just seal clapped at it. Furry trash, that's what it is.
@@nicholassims9837 You deserve getting garbage, because you're incapable of handling criticism without calling "entitlement and insulting everything". Funny, because the first is what your pretty bunny cop is, and second, you're acting like you're paid by Disney.
Pretty much, and the fact they treated you like that (sorry to hear that happened to you) gives the modern Disney fanbase traits like a cult (wouldn't surprise me if that's what they are now), and every time I see blind praise for modern Disney from someone, I wonder if they are on Disney's payroll/were promised a free lifetime subscription to their streaming service/free lifetime passes for their parks if they did nothing but sing blind praises.
@@yulee3266 Night howler serum is testosterone, as many people think it makes men "aggressive". The predators (men) are treated as inhuman monsters and prey (women) avoid being around them. Judy even tries using "fox repellent" on Nick.
@@yulee3266 Every group of human treats other groups of humans horribly. We should just focus on getting rid of discrimination as a whole instead of focusing on specific types of discrimination, which ironically divides us even more.
Funny, all I remember from Zootopia was a cute and colorful anthropomorphic buddy cop comedy the furry community was going to ship the 'F' out of the two leads.
"Cute and colorful" Why ? Because "Durrr sloth at DMV funni" ? "Face swap app funni" ? It's trash, unfunny, preachy as hell and can't decide whether it wants to be a buddy comedy or a crime drama.
I would be SHOCKED if they aren’t made a official couple in that unnecessary sequel, especially since I bet the sequel is going to do interspecies marriages as a terrible metaphor for interracial marriages due to how woke Disney is. Not to mention the whole franchise panders to furries anyway and they know full well that they are all too stupid to understand how badly done Zootopia is not to mention they love shipping the main characters. Either way it’s quite clear something along those lines is going to happen judging by that whole “you know you love me” dialogue near the end of the film.
Oh, wow...this was actually a really great video, and I genuinely enjoyed it the whole way through! 😃😄 Also, as someone who has seen Zootopia in the theater when it first came out, and believed it was a good movie (at first), I'm genuinely baffled of how awful it really is after watching your video. Like yeah, I just recently rewatched this movie about a year ago on Disney+, and while I still somewhat enjoyed it, I couldn't help but feel that something about this movie was off...like for some strange and inexplicable reason, something about it didn't feel right, and I never understood why at the time. After that, I didn't think too much about it, but after happening to stumble across and watch the video, even pausing it multiple times, going back a few seconds every so often just to understand everything, and seriously starting to question what the fuck is this movie even, I realized that everything I thought about Zootopia was not only challenged, but was proven to me wrong. Like, I went from somewhat liking this movie a bit (even if something wasn't adding up) to being completely intrigued & frankly disappointed on how the movie turned out to be. How or why some people claim it to be a "masterpiece" and it being so critically acclaimed, I do not nor probably will ever understand. On top of all that, a sequel is now coming out next year...don't know how to feel about that...🤨🤔 Also one more thing, and I know it has nothing to do with Zootopia, or this video in general, but there's this movie from Dreamworks Animation called "Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie." Apparently, it's based off of a series of children's books called "Captain Underpants," and as far as I know, the movie is based on 4 out of 10 or maybe 15...ish books from said series, and no, I haven't read any of the books, nor do I know much about them. The movie came out in 2017, so like only a year after Zootopia, which speaking of, kind of went through a similar situation like Zootopia's. How exactly? Well, for starters: both were initially critically acclaimed when they first came out, people praising them, saying how good their animation was, the voice acting, story, humor, and things like that, even going as far as saying their "masterpieces" when they clearly aren't. And yeah, much like with Zootopia, I too watched the Captain Underpants movie when it first came out, and actually really liked it at the time. However, after rewatching this movie again on Netflix (about 2 or 3 days ago), I can confidently say that it's not only a really bad movie, but also an awful one too, just as much as Zootopia. Why? Because the characters here are extremely unlikeable, especially the two main "protagonists," the plot/story makes absolutely zero sense, the world building is dysfunctional, most of the jokes are either painfully unfunny, childish, or uncomfortable in certain scenes (although very few of them are genuinely hilarious), and the quote un-quote "villains" are not even that villanous, well, except maybe the Professor P. guy or whatever his name is. In fact, I'd go as far as too say that the two main kid protagonists in this movie are far more villanous than the supposed villains, seeing how their clearly petty, immoral, and illegal actions are painted in a good light, almost like expecting us to believe that their the good guys and should be rooting for them or something like that. So, with all that being said (and I sincerely apologize if my comment here is way too long, just had a lot of stuff I wanted to say), I am curious to know if you have ever watched this movie, or at least heard about it. If so, what's your opinion on it? It would be interesting to hear. Anyways, thank you and your friends for this awesome video!😊😁 You all clearly put in a lot of thought, care, & effort into it, and was totally worth it!😎👌👏
@@TheSEAempire OMG!🤯😆 Thank you so much for reading my comment and liking it! It means a whole lot to me so I really appreciate it!🥰😊 Forgot to mention your video was also hilarious and made me laugh numerous times!😂🤣 Also, don't listen to the dude over here. Man doesn't know what hes talking about...🙄😒
Even if it's objectively the worst movie ever, people should still be allowed to enjoy it for their own reasons. People call me insane for enjoying something they didn't like and that's just poor way of thinking
I've just subbed. Excellent work . I know there are some folks who are going to go after you for saying this is nitpicking or something like that and let me tell you these folks are wrong. I'm an aspiring writer(who is currently outlining a story for either a screenplay or book. I haven't decided yet.) and seeing this breakdown really helps me see what to avoid when constructing my own work. Something like establishing your main character, Judy, as a goody-two-shoes and then immediately contradicting that with Nick the Fox and coercing him without any serious reprucssions is terrible. While writing fiction is a creative exercise, it's very much akin to problem-solving in that you have a character(s) needing to address a central conflict. The skill of the writer comes with keeping characters, story, and world consistent and cogent to achieve verisimilitude. It's why I can say something like Arcane is a masterpiece because the showrunners and team put in the hard work and effort with making sure the characters, story, and world were air tight. That takes careful outlining, redrafting, and asking the right questions(also someone to be a drill sergeant as an editor in finding the problems) to make something good. All in all, thank you for the video; it gave me a lot to think about my own work. :)
@@catfinity8799 *Ahem* some comic maker called Borba created a comic where Judy is gotten pregnant by Nick, and decides to have an abortion. Drama ensues. If you want to read it, just Google Borba zootopia.
I found Zootopia rather boring, and nearly fell asleep in the theater, or well my parents thought I was asleep despite me being awake. Also isn't the Fox considered very intelligent? Only the Skunk Rug was the most hilarious in the movie.
Also this film also started the human in an animated animal world trend in fan fiction example what if a human entered zootopia universe or kung fu panda universe. Plus this was a stepping stone for idris Elba for becoming knuckles which I view that as plus.
Zootopia is what happens when Disney tries to make an adaptation of the world of Kevin and Kell or Carry On: the Road to Rackenroon and you are forced to realize that worlds that actually operate like those comics would be completely at odds with how our society is morally framed with Christian mindset so entrenched in our moral and legal philosophy.
@@Backfisch5927 (Sigh) Yes it does imply that. I'm not defending the movie, but I think we can pretty easily assume that not all animals evolved in the same way or at the same rate. I mean even nowadays we have monkeys and humans. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that a civilization that is made up primarily of oblique carnivores would have some kind of meat source for food. Considering fish can't wear suits. I'm pretty sure they were left out of the evolution for this very purpose.
@@ertawanderer1062 This actually interested me so I looked it up and the writer said on twitter that in early versions they ate fish and that they weren't as far evolved but then they changed it because them not being as far evolved would confuse the rules of the world so because they probably changed that after this scene was animated the fish are now just as evolved as the other animals but are still being eaten
@@Backfisch5927 okay, now that is mortifying. Although it makes me wonder how on earth the carnivores survive if everything is human level intelligence
As the years go by, I lose more and more respect for Zootopia as a film that is supposedly anti-bigoted. It’s a fun movie if you ignore, well, mostly everything that it tries to do. Looking back, all this seems rather obvious, and it is, but yeah I do understand how most people (myself included) thought Disney was heading in the right direction when it comes to depicting bigotry in their films. Fortunately, I’ve gotten more perceptive of such bad or misused portrayal of racism in media. When I saw the trailer for Elemental, I had hopes of it being a better Zootopia, as the themes of racism were also prominent. While the movie wasn’t as bad as Zootopia, it still has major flaws that hold it back from being a true successor. For starters, there’s thankfully no big eugenics statement on how all the other Elements rightfully hate fire people because it’s in their nature to burn them. Earth folk are the most in danger of catching fire, but it’s not like they die from it or something crazy like that. The issue comes from the fact we as the audience are supposed to like Wade, and how even though Ember is the main protagonist, the movie likes emphasizing how “better” her life is now that he’s in it. Certain scenes make it very clear that Wade, and water people as a whole, don’t really care how dangerous or difficult life in the city is for fire people, with its heavy usage of water. You could do so much with this concept, maybe making it so the final big moment is Ember realizing Wade isn’t for her, dumping him as a result of him not wanting to understand she can’t just leave her struggling parents behind for a mere shot of getting her dream job. Perhaps the tackling of racism would still be a little eh, but it’d be a phenomenal failed romance film, showing that it’s ok to break up with someone who is incompatible with how you view the world (in the positive ways). Crazy part is the movie almost did this, but the plot practically forced Ember to get with Wade, not because he finally came to understand her situation as fire or did anything significant to help her situation, but because him almost dying apparently caused Ember to care about him again. framing the argument they had prior as her just being “irrational.” A lot of this movie is about Ember learning to be calmer and all that, but it’s not really a problem in my eyes, as she gets angry for justifiable reasons. Like the film suggest, some passionate outbursts may be due to her frustration feeling cheated out of doing her own thing when she has to also help her struggling family, but for the most part it’s just because the people she’s getting mad at are genuinely being annoying and unreasonable. As you can tell I’m very passionate about Elemental, Ember’s character in particular, so my bad if this was a bit long. Just have lots to say on the matter.
We already live in the golden age of Hollywood anti-romance and it’s just never enough for some folks. Instead of rewriting everything so people break up, how about give us something to aspire to.
16 minutes ago this video had 339 views now it has 749, I like the way TH-cam is starting to promote small channels and in the home page edit: i don't fucking know why i wrote this comment
Lady and Tramp are still the best Disney animal leads! And Song of the South has Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, an iconic master work! Stop the ZCU! Down with Zootopia Land!
@@TheSEAempire it’s a movie about anthropomorphic animals. An alien invasion has nothing to do within this world. It makes the tone inconsistent and the world building fail.
@@TheSEAempire because the reason the aliens come to earth in the movie is very stupid (they don’t even want to invade earth, with one of the worse misunderstandings ever put in a film). Plus the film was a family drama about a kid who was harassed at school, why bring aliens with Trolls-like design into this ? Plus in a world where alien lives, how can the earth planet be composed of anthropomorphic animals and not humans ? And about that, in a world with anthropomorphic animals, how come all the chairs are the same at school, why isn’t there any larger or smaller chairs for kids from different sizes ? See, the world building is not tangible in Chicken Little, it’s all over the place and not cohesive with its own premise. And the story is composed of the worst characters ever, like Chicken’s father who is a complete idiot, or the mayor who is not much better. The satire in this movie is even bigger of an insult, because all the town gets out of there way because a little kid is saying the sky is falling, and then it’s the kid’s fault that everyone were insane. At least the world building in Zootopia is tangible and well animated, and at least the characters are not that dumb. That’s objective facts, dude.
Good collab lol One more thing about Bellwether, you didn't point out one more thing. Her plan is not only self-sabotaging because of her helping Judy actively, but also because it's so self defeating is dumb. If she wanted to effectively push her anti-predator narrative home, why didn't she just have them shot in BROAD DAYLIGHT and CROWDED areas, so that they would hurt people, therefore make her look justified ? No, she had them shot at complete random in isolated locations, then the Mayor's goons _conveniently_ scoop them up and quarantine them, in order to wait for the one cop with a functioning brain to come along and blame it on Lionheart. Her entire motivation boils down to "Mayor Omni Man is a meanie to me, so all predators suck". God, is my blood boiling now......
Looking back, this movie has aged horribly. I love the movie but it is very evident that it came out in a time where BLM as a movement was taken less seriously and a lot more people were more willing to support the Police. 2016 had a tinge of Neoliberal optimism that I think the film exudes that has since faded away as the world becomes more and more polarized.
Never liked this movie, so preachy, so browbeating over "RACISM BAD", yet doing everything in its power to make me HATE every single character. The insufferable preppy bunny, the generic sly fox who's just another Flynn Rider/Kristoff/Maui stand-in, the stiff ah chief who's dumber than a box of rocks, the goddamn sheep and her stupid plan that makes no sense. I was honestly shocked when I noticed they even pulled a Breaking Bad reference into this travesty too, like, wow.....Of all things, you're gonna reference THAT in your Disney movie just to look smarter and edgier ?
I can't help but think about the simple fact that the movie uses predators and prey for it's racism allegory. If I think about it more than a minute, I can't help but see it as problematic and fucked up, especially on it's most basic, surface-levels details. From the play at the beginning of the film depicting the natural history of the world, to the addition of the Night Howlers into the narrative. I'm probably looking at it at the surface level, but I can't help but see it as the movie saying "In the past, the violent minorities have the animalistic instinct to kill white people", and "Under the right drug (I.E. Night Howlers), minorities can become violent towards other minorities and white people."
True in the back of my mind I knew you didn’t have to think too hard to realize how the racism metaphor doesn’t make any sense even in the context of that world. My stupid 16 year old self at first tried to ignore but eventually I got smarter, less naive, and realized how utterly nonsensical and cringeworthy the metaphor is, such as that “Go back to the forest predator!” line as it is so cringeworthy on how hard they tried to make it similar to the real world.
*How to tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video* But good job clicking, I’ll be sure to think about you next time I buy a coffee.
Nice. I’m looking forward to checking this out. I remember seeing this movie years ago and never really revisiting it so I’m curious to hear why it sucks.
I don’t see how this movie could have the worst world building while this is the only anthropomorphic animal world who cares to explain how different sized animals coexist. Compare that to Sing 1 and 2 from Illuminations, you can tell more efforts were put into Zootopia to make this world function.
I haven’t seen the Sing movies, but from my understanding they operate under pure cartoon logic where the fact that they’re animals is a non-factor in the story. Meanwhile Zootopia makes it *very* clear that these animals are evolved from primitive animals in our real world. If that’s the case, they set up the circumstances in which further scrutiny is required. The onus is on them to keep their own story internally logical.
@@TheSEAempire and why are the chairs so high in Sing which makes impossible for a koala or a mouse to sit on that ? Cartoon logic doesn’t excuse basic incoherency.
@@TheSEAempire plus it presents that in a school play. A school play oversimplifies how that worked. We can imagine a lot more happened before they managed to reach peace.
Sure more happened between the events described and the current events of the film, I know how chronology works. My point is that it doesn’t matter WHAT happened between the past the animals evolved from and the current day, since that STILL isn’t applicable to humanity. There are no biological differences that justify fear between any people groups. No humans have claws, fangs, spines, tusks, horns, etc. Human bigotry is inherently stupid, but for somebody to be scared of what someone else can do in Zootopia is a totally reasonable response. Hence why the allegory doesn’t work.
@@TheSEAempire except this isn’t, because it’s implied that the prey and predator evolution into a coexisting society is far beyond in the past, thus not a plausible factor. It’s like saying the men could come back to their prehistoric nature and take women by their hairs. The only reason it’s reasonable to assume they could come back to their predator nature is because the sheeps used the flowers to create weapons. They manipulate the facts to arrange their side, and manage to make the scientists raise hypothesis which weren’t yet proved. The fact that they evolved is the prehistorical premise of that world, it’s like prehistory for them. Thus the parallel works because they make assumptions on an incomplete investigation and theoretical biology from their prehistoric nature. Within that world this is not plausible but the medias make it seems like this is.
@@roachewy beastars doesn't really do much for me, it should but I don't really like the animation style, despite zootopia's poor writing many of the characters are quite arousing, especially Judy
You are all far too kind to these directors/writers considering many of the same people who worked on that film like Bitch Moore also made that HORRID movie known as Ralph Breaks The Internet and well Zootopia holds some blame in why it was so bad considering it tried too hard to be relevant and cared more about pushing an agenda then actually making anything good, something that HORRENDOUS film also has as well. So really if they were talented they aren’t anymore, in fact if they had started work on a sequel to Wreck It Ralph first it might have not turned out so bad in the first place. Not to mention the laughable statements these directors/writers have made about the movie such as claiming the carnivore citizens do not eat other mammals because the dietary supplements for them are fish, plant protein and insects, since fish and bugs are not sapient and that the city also has a fast-food restaurant chain named Bug-Burga, which caters insect-based cuisine for this need. Judging by these statements they seem to actually believe that not a SINGLE predator no matter who they are, doesn’t try and eat prey meat. That I find to be utterly LAUGHABLE as there just has to be some sort of black market for prey meat, that shady predators will be willingly to pay boatloads of money for (Something that a anime/manga known as Beaststars actually discusses and shows and from what I heard is basically Zootopia done better) Not to mention the movie never goes over any incidents of predators willingly attacking and eating prey animals out of their own free will even though that OBVIOUSLY has had to have happened at least a few times. I can’t believe stupid 16 year old me once actually LIKED this film though thankfully it didn’t take too long for me to realize things like how the racism metaphor makes no sense even in the context of that world. Not to mention this film is disturbingly popular with furries, though it’s not hard to see why but still I can’t STAND them and it’s why I hope the Zootopia land in Shanghai Disney NEVER comes to the U.S. since we all know the furries would ruin it in ways such as greasing the gator and petting the cat on the AWFUL dark ride there, speaking of which I really have to criticize the ride for not having Duke Weaselton kidnap Gazelle instead of Bellwether, especially since it seems so PATHETIC for her to be committing mere kidnapping for ransom, due to that being arguably a overall less serious crime then her dumb fear mongering actions (that’s basically what she was doing in the movie) and it’s arguably a HUGE case of villain decay right there. So yeah there you go, you can all see why I have problem with this movie (sorry for the long comment but I really needed to say all this)
DIdn`t they work on the first Ralph movie too though? And Zootopia doesn`t hold any blame for another movie being bad, except Zootopia doesn`t have that or is even a bad film. That`s not even a laughable statement that seems genuinely likely. Nah some try to eat prey meat but that would be more illegal and maybe even black market shit but that would more so be in Beastars really. Well yeah that likely does exist and I`ve seen Beastars and it isn`t all done better as discussed here on TH-cam. It didn`t have to do that though to get it`s point across, predators hardly do that here now and that`s fine really. You weren`t stupid as a 16 year old it seems as it isn`t a bad film and the metaphor is not just racism, I would argue it`s about sexism too. It is less serious but it isn`t pathetic to just do it for a ransom. And her fear mongering actions weren`t dumb, how is it villain decay?
@@jaypee116 Maybe, but I’m not sure. I do know that its sequel is going to be clearly very woke in some way. It probably will involve Nick and Judy getting married and that being used as a terrible metaphor for interracial marriages.
@@stubblytuna4068 It's woke because it perfectly represents leftist dialectical thinking : thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The thesis is you have this unlikely paradise for all animals living in harmony, the antithesis is that in actuality, these animals are racist as hell and live dysfunctionally with one another. The synthesis is that the end pretends that it's all good, let's all sing Kumbayah and hold hands because Judy Hopps is gosh darn amazing, brave and stunning. In fact, look at her : she's every awful millennial/Gen Z and cop stereotypes in one person. Entitled, preachy, embarassingly naive, yet so career-obsessed she's willing to deal with criminals to get what she want. And she's treated as the hero because she's "the underdog".
Sorry but I think Elemental is worse allegory on racism than Zootopia. Race, as we know, is when some members of species have separated into groups very long time ago and those groups have developed some differing attributes but fundamentally function the same. Elemental is about elemental creatures that could destroy each other just by existing. Using elemental creatures who are fundamentally different from each other and functioning in different ways as an allegory on race is really awkward and f*ked up.
when Zootopia is viewed as a direct racial allegory, it becomes problematic. There are parts of the story that fit, others that fit awkwardly, and others were it doesn't work at all. The reason for this is that both the directors and writers have said that the film isn't intended as a racial allegory but was an examination of bias (both personal and societal) and how it leads to stereotyping, prejudice and profiling. The creative team worked extensively with Shakti Butler, PhD, Founder and Creative Director of World Trust, who is an educator in the field of racial equity to make sure they were presenting bias correctly especially when it touched on racial themes. So rather than being one consistent racial allegory throughout the story, it's a series of different views of bias at work in different situations. So while your commentary has merits, its fundamental assumption is flawed. You are analyzing the movie through the wrong set of lenses.
Ok so let’s disregard everything I said about racism: fine. I’ll bite. So now let’s just replace racism with general bigotry. Almost all of the criticisms would remain equally as valid, since the film doesn’t understand that bigotry isn’t biological and is inherently drawn from superficial differences, not substantial objective ones.
@@TheSEAempire "Almost all of the criticisms would remain equally as valid, since the film doesn’t understand that bigotry isn’t biological" with this you're telling me that you just took the film too seriously. but i'll follow you with this one. in this context biological factors make the prejudice and "fear" stronger pushing the message it wants to tell. In fact, these things would be waaaay more marked in this context because we're talking about anthropomorphic animals living in one place and it's not like the movie completely ignores the superficial differences, quite the opposite actually.
Come on man, you can’t tell me I’m taking the film too seriously right after saying the creative team consulted experts on the subject matter of bigotry to handle the very clearly serious subject matter with tact. I’m taking the film as seriously as the creatives clearly wanted people to take it, and devaluing the discussion by saying “you just took the film too seriously” is downright disrespectful to the film you’re trying to defend. Come on.
I will never get over how Zootopia ripped off Bionicle.
How exactly? I am not saying you are wrong (I don’t like Zootopia myself) but perhaps some context on how it is a ripoff would be nice.
Nobody shoved any criticism in anybodys face. Your goofy-ass clicked on the video and started harassing all the people commenting.
@@TheSEAempire Just ignore him is my advice to you.
Yeah, but everytime he clicks I make more money. Grifters gotta grift and all that 😎
@@TheSEAempireTo whom are you talking to?
One personal flaw I see with Zootopia is that you'd expect in a world where animals evolved, and humans either never existed or just went extinct, that their society would be unique and quite interesting, instead we are met with a pretty much normal human world just with furries instead of humans.
Well that explains a lot on why it’s so popular with that depraved group known as furries. Speaking of which they will likely ruin the Zootopia land if it came to the U.S.A in ways such as greasing the gator and petting the cat on the ride, hence why I hope it stays in Shanghai.
You can't remove a story too much from human experience or else you can't relate to it. If their society doesn't look anything like human society, if there's nothing we understand or relate to, what's the point of the story? What are we supposed to learn? As it is, I feel like Zootopia changed their world so much that racism in Zootopia doesn't really parallel human racism because all of the different species actually are REALLY different. There are profound racial differences in Zootopia, whereas human beings aren't that different across racial groups.
@@gamera5160 I'm not saying that there shouldn't be some sort of similarity with human society, but a world or a society doesn't have to be the same to ours for us to relate to, "Oh wow animals use cellphones too! That's so relatable!" you'd expect animals to understand how to take care of their planet better than humans, yet they drive cars, probably have planes, they eat human food, etc. I'm also not saying that their world should be a perfect paradise, but make it unique and different from ours, dare I say it, the more a world is similar to ours the less relatable and interesting it gets.
Though with this I'm not saying that every single movie which features a different species has to have it's own different society, like I said this is just a personal flaw of mine, a nitpick, if you prefer Zootopia to be the way it is then it's totally fine!
By any definition, Judy's actions in blackmailing Nick and threatening Weaselton's life with Mr. Big's assistance make her legally a criminal.
Textbook crooked cop, I might add.
@@nicholassims9837 Ah yes, abusing authority, overruling her superiors, blackmailing, working with the mafia, such an inspiring figure of "the law" LMFAO
@@nicholassims9837 So, it's acceptable for cops to make deals with hustlers and mobsters for the "greater good" ? LMFAO Frank Serpico would get a stroke from reading this and Paolo Borsellino would be rolling in his grave.
@@nicholassims9837 Your grammar is as horrible as your arguments, and you're endorsing police crime.
Kept blackmailing a known minority is the cherry on top
Stop nitpicking.
Zoo-cope-ia.
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You are nitpicking and biased, I win, bye bye
Too bad so sad execute order uh finish your clone wars video I swear
Animal Farm is an allegory. Zootopia is an otherwise above average Family Comedy that was ruined by ham-fisted social commentary that doesn't fit within the world they've established and plot contrivances and lackluster worldbuildin'.
Animal Farm is a really shitty allegory as well. Wonder why when the author was an extremely racist rapist.
I would argue that the problem lies not in the social commentary. There are two main messages here: "Don't discriminate against people" and "not everything is how it seems", which plays into the former. It is a nice, feel good message you can drop on your kids.
Where it fails I think are the internal contradictions. There is no way for example that a city the size of Zootopia doesn't have e.g. rodent only apartment buildings, or barring that, a normal apartment building which has one or two rooms refurbished to become rodent sized. How exactly are you going to police something like that without rodent police officers? What about Firemen? Plumbers? Electricians?
Heck, even the prejudice against predators COULD be entirely justified. What are the chances that the agression coded predators relapse sometime and as a result, predators commit more violent crimes? What if the opening blurb is a lie and the occasional case of "cannibalism" DOES happen? Suddenly this reverses the dynamic between Judy and her parents, who change from unreasonable paranoid to not wanting something bad to happen to their overly idealistic little girl.
You know, stuff like that. It's not horrible, just horribly clunky.
But animal farm was about communism not racism
@@Theagentofchaos-r5q Doesn't change the fact that Animal Farm is an actual allegory whereas Zootopia is supposed to be an allegory but failed.
@@frankg2790 I see your point.
Also, since Nick mentions when Judy confronts and questions him about Emmitt Otterton that he has been a con artist and hustler since the age of 12, did he run away from home at some point after the Junior Ranger Scouts incident? And why would he do something like that, anyway?
Why can the defense weapons that judy parents gave just be an standard defense weapon.( Get rid off the fox imagery) You know make it more subtle and make it more sense because real life cops have these for self defense or stopping crime.
Bingo. Mace is fine, but straight up anti-fox spray is INSANE.
@@TheSEAempireThere was no reason for that spray to be made specifically against foxes. It could have easily been just an ordinary pepperspray.
Exactly.
Judy: Dark chocolate candy with an antifreeze filling? Gee, I am sure Nick will love your peace offering, Mom.
Speaking as someone who has been blackmailed in the past I want to say the movie having Judy do that to Nick is really scum because to be blackmailed on the spot is the worst feeling you'll ever feel and or witness in your entire life. Like I am surprised Nick remand so stoic about it. I'm a very quiet and very stoic man and I was a fucking mess of a human being when it happened to me. I thought it was the end of the world itself that day. You do not get to joke about blackmail. Don't ever treat it like spraying a cat with water. You are going to ruin someone's life with such data in the palm of your hands. That is a fucking bomb as far as you're concerned.
Despite making up 10% of the population, Predators commit 100% of all violent maulings.
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Why do we never learn anything else about Nick's upbringing and home life? He says that "my mom scraped together enough money to buy a brand-new uniform" which I have always assumed meant that his family was poor, but then what happened to Nick's mother? Does he ever even tell her about the entire Junior Ranger Scouts incident? Surely she would have taken (legal) action of some sort against the organization for her son being abused and tormented like that? Why were there seemingly no adults present to supervise the troop? And since Nick never even mentions his father, what happened to him? Did he leave his wife and son for some as-yet unknown reason? Is it a broken family?
Poor people can’t afford legal representation in general, and since predators are supposedly a discriminated minority in this universe, no lawyer probably would take their case much how black people had/ (and still oftentimes do) have basically zero legal recourse for things that happened to them.
Heck, for all we know, the adult scout leaders could have been in on the abuse that traumatized Nick. There could have been an adult herbivore animal egging on the other kids to torment Nick, but we just never see them in Nick's flashback. Nick could probably remember that the kids were just jerks that traumatized him for life for no reason. He could have told his mom but thanks to their living situation, they can't afford a lawyer and it's pretty much the prey kids' words against Nick's. Who would even believe a predator being picked on by a bunch of prey animals?
I am probably giving this movie too much thought than it deserves. At least, if they are going to have double standards, make it obvious. Like Julie being a rabbit and nearly killed by Gideon being a fox would just be seen as predictable and stereotypical. However, a bunch of prey kids tormenting the only predator in their scout troop is just not the same because prey is seen as harmless and weak and predators are seen as scapegoats and violent.
@@fritosalad5853 Unless of course it was another predator lawyer. Which kinda kills the second part of your argument. The mayor of the town is a LION, ffs, and the police force has a lot of predators as well. It's one of the reasons why the movie doesn't work if you see it purely as an alegory for racial discrimination.
@@Alexander_Kale So what? Your entire argument is that predators hold positions of power and that’s that?
The US had a black President, so is racism fixed?
Supposedly according to at least one of the directors, his mother is still alive. That still doesn’t explain why his backstory could give off vibes that she is deceased, maybe he is estranged from his mother for whatever reason?
I still think the race allegory could work if all the characters were ONE species of animal - be it cats, rabbits, foxes, whatever.
Then you could really nail home just how ridiculous racism is by, for example, having one rabbit pull pepper spray on another or something else.
this video was bad faith from start to finish. The guy is just projecting how soft he is. It was and is a good movie. Foxes have a bad reputation in this world. having anti-Fox spray is not racism. Girls have pepper spray in their pockets when they go to the club are they automaticaly racist now? I was really impressed by disney there. It's a movie about discrimination but it focuses mainly on the Zootopia universe.
@@suzukisuzuki-md8fl Pepper spray works the same against any human attacker, regardless of race or sex. Fox repellent is specifically targeting one species(race). And most ridiculously you say "foxes have bad reputation in this world, having anti-fox spray is not racism". That's textbook racism you nittwitt.
.....Does Sheev not know that sheep aren't skinned to get their wool? Sheep aren't killed to get their wool. Getting sheep's wool is basically a haircut for them. And the skunk butt rug is made out of the hair found on a skunk's butt, not literally a butt cut off from a skunk. A skunk most likey had their butt shaved for that rug.
Some rugs do involve skinning an animal. It is highly unlikely that a sheep/wool rug does, but a skunk one might.
Yes, but if your a sheep. Would you want to be skinned which is what zooTopia is against.
Yeah, I think the incident was Nick had a rug business on one side and a barbershop on the other and this fusion of scams screwed him when Mr Big figured it out.
This is probably the most subjective Disney film I’ve seen people who hate it. And people who love it. And some Who think it’s mid.
Man, I never really cared for this movie, but I never acturally put together how bad it is. But I guess Judy's luck could be attributed to her two lucky rabbit's feet?
Maybe 😂
those delicious rabbit's feet~~
Or a class Career Day where the parents of different Bunnyburrow animals come in to discuss their careers, and have Judy express her own desires to be a police officer rather than a carrot farmer. Come to think of it, doesn't Bunnyburrow have its own police, and why doesn't Judy try to find something in her own hometown. Perhaps because there would be less opportunities in a rural area like Bunnyburrow.
honestly i feel like the problems with the messaging in zootopia run even worse considering the intro. the way i interpreted it from there was that the predators were actually white people given gideon’s inflections with how he talked to the sheep and judy. combined with his little thing later in the movie where he’s giving a sort of “reformed racist” speech to judy, who in this scenario would be some minority, but given the aforementioned inflections in the intro possibly intended to be black.
and that left me confused for the rest of the movie where by and large predators are instead considered to be the oppressed and feared minority. meaning either immediately after the intro or somehow before it was come up with, the script flips and suddenly predators are black and prey are white. which makes the intro weird. the mixed metaphors then continue on to cause the movie’s plot to break down, because it’s not like that for the whole rest of the movie, as before mentioned it goes back for a moment when gideon apologises. the movie just can’t decide what the intended message is.
or, and i think this is funnier, there’s actually no intended script flip from the intro at all and they’ve (intentionally or not) made a movie where the primary message is “white people are being oppressed by minorities”.
i hate the fact the last message is becoming more real because "the sins of the fathers" thing (if you dont know, its blaming someone for their ancestors or family members for the sake they are related to it despite not being in the act or even supporting it.)
You don't skin a sheep to get wool, you sheer it, you buzz off the hair.
So they use their hair to make clothes? Fuck I wouldn’t wanna wear a shirt made of human hair 💀
@@TheSEAempire you obviously never wore a wig before.
No, I’ve been graced with a beautiful head of long hair. 💇🏾♂️
@@moonshine588
You wear a wig as fake hair. Do you wear cloths made out of human hair?
You skin a sheep to make sheepskin rugs. Which is what he was talking about.
I feel this movie would have been better if Gazelle was the villain, with Bellwether maybe being her minion and spy. It would be more surprising and catch you off guard, with the very popular and loved celebrity who preaches friendship and kindness and shows worry over her city going into chaos being a prey-supremacist who is the mastermind behind the whole plot. It wouldn't be perfect or anything but it would have been much better than the actual main villain we got. You guys did a good job explaining everything else wrong with the movie so I won't go into it more, but I will say the original drafts of this movie were probably better than the final cut.
Ngl that actually sounds like a really cool idea, like she’d be the kind of political-pandering type that people worship, and her villainy would come out of left field given how there isn’t much focus on her until the finale. I dig it!
@@TheSEAempire Heh, thanks!
@steverogers-zx1iq You don't care, yet clicked on this video?
@Nickwilde2295 Freedom of speech goes both ways, which you conveniently ignored. He can like it, and I can dislike it. But what we cannot do is gatekeep movies, and that's exactly what he was doing. I'm sorry that you're too dense to see it, but that is not my problem.
"why do people like her"
you know why. don't kid yourself
I DIDN’T WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT 💀
Does it have something to do with chopsticks?
When talking about the world building not making sense, you mention that dogs don’t appear because humans weren’t around to domesticate them, yet domestic pigs and sheep appear in this movie. How did they come to exist if the humans didn’t domesticate them?
There's something about Zootopia that perplexes me, predators are a stand in for people of colour, yet in Zootopia, predators occupy the higher echelons of political and economic power, by this logic, Zootopia would be analogous to apartheid South Africa, the predators would have been have unfortunately fit the role of the Afrikaners. Moreover, Zootopia makes the mistake that thinks predation equals violence, herbivores can kill to, just because they do not hunt, do not mean herbivores are not capable being dangerous, in the wild, herbivores are in competition with other herbivores, and will fight to the death holding onto grazing territory. Zootopia has another gaping hole - omnivores, skunks, squirrels, chipmunks, sloths, swine, bears and foxes, yes Nick Wilde is an omnivore, yet he counts as predator, even though in the wild, foxes tend to forage more than they hunt, but that's not all. Bellwether is suppose to be the villain, yet it's Judy who commits the most crimes, her deeds exceed Nick, Mayor Lionheart, Mr. Big, Duke Weaselton, even Bellwether combined, the amount of corruption Judy does is enough to be committed to prison for decades, on top of public endangerment, abuse of authority, blackmail, aiding and abetting, dereliction of duty, and tampering with evidence, she would have been kicked off the force, and given a dishonorable discharge, but because Judy is the main character, she is given a get-out-of-jail free card, honestly, BNA and Beastars are better than Zootopia, so I recommend giving these a watch instead, the book Maus is also better than Zootopia.
Definitely agreed on Beastars. 👍
Heck, Beastars also did the whole thing with Legoshi and Sebun and the whole thing with her being unjustly treated far better. And speaking of similar stuff, I say, what the heck was up with Nick being a legit creep by invading Bellwether's personal space and touching her wool? Because, Beastars did something similar, but showed how that's literally harassment (and also touched upon issues women face in workplaces), and the fact that Zootopia did something similar as a joke is just...
Another better film with anthro animals Saberspark covered was Animalympics, and even that did the whole predator and prey becoming a couple better than Zootopia.
I think they 'wanted' to make a messaging along the lines of others seeing differences and creating split communities and 'building walls, not bridges', but tried to play every side of it rather than focus on a singular point of predators vs prey and hoped that everyone would just go along with it. Like how Judy does the 'we rabbits can call each other cute but when other animals do it it's a problem' joke to Clawhowzer. And the other aspects like Judy breaking the law they play off with it being a more comedic kids film or like other cop shows that try to balance on the line of legal and straight up criminal acts. I think overall the movie is decent and a good laugh, but it certainly missed the mark on a lot of things. Still, I definitely prefer that they try and make new things rather than constantly remake movies in 'live action' and just ruin the original story.
You try too much to compare it to the real world whereas this movie depicts discrimination in general.
So last year I did a marathon rewatch for all the Disney animated movies to prepare myself for the movie that ultimately didn’t end up watching
When I got to the 2010s Disney movies, I realized A LOT OF THEM HAVE AGED HORRIBLY. Only 3 Disney movies from that decade are still really good and worth rewatching every time Tangled, Wreck it Ralph(THE ONLY ONE) and Moana. I can’t stand all the stand any of the other Disney movies that came out. Winnie the Pooh is directed by Don Hall so it’s annoying, patronizing and boring. Frozen is Overrated and Frozen 2 is horrible, Big Hero 6 was rightfully deconstructed by Schafrillas and Raisorblade, and Zootopia I just can’t rewatch again
@sharkanenoa5928 What's your view on Tangled? I recently rewatched it and liked it a lot, in spite of some problems.
Big hero six is very bad, and the series is worse..... and I really like it lol. Guilty pleasure.
And it's really pretty. Which isn't a good defense, but..
Wait, Coco's bad too ?
@@sersiniokyte5558 it’s extremely formulaic and boring. They even pull the typical Disney “twist villain” where it’s telegraphed from a mile away.
I agree. The "Revival Era" (as the 2010s are often referred to) is mostly bland, overrated, politicized Tangled/Frozen clones. Dizzy female lead, cynical non-romantic male co-lead, they both embark to find/save a McGuffin thinking it will solve all their problems, hijinks ensue that often involve mocking old Disney tropes, a lazy plot-twist villain is shoehorned at the end, the female lead is now "strong and independent". There, I summed up Frozen, Zootopia and Moana for you.
Honestly Bellwether and Evelyn Deavor have the same problem in their helping the protagonists. It was one of the reasons why I was so disappointed with The Incredibles II.
Dude funny enough I watched Incredibles 2 with Sheev Talks as well, and thought the exact same thing 💀
@@Judyhopps-1iqSpamming? Low blow, Karen
I think as time has gone on, we’ve now started noticing this after a decade in f it being around. I think Schaffrilas said it best when everytime you watch this movie, the more unsubtle the message becomes and how comparing people to predator animals is kinda f*cked up
Honestly, I've been saying for YEARS that Disney was in creative bankruptcy since Frozen and Big Hero 6. The 2010s movies are a bunch of sanitized, boring, politicized movies with maladjusted messages. Frozen existed only to mock old Disney tropes, Big Hero 6 was a bland HTTYD wannabe with all the most generic superhero and Disney tropes in it, Zootopia was politicized drivel with furries, Moana started out nice, but then devolves into essentially Frozen on the sea. Ralph Breaks The Internet was a shameless self-advertisement by Disney with a hollow story that ruined the original movie. And Frozen 2 was a sequel so flimsy, so devoid of real stakes that failed to justify its existence, while pushing more political drivel about imperialism.
Yeah definitely
@@nicholassims9837 watch the movie it aged like milk Nicolas
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Hello. Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on the movie Tangled?? I haven't seen it in years, so I don't remember much about it. Like yeah, I get the issues with the other Disney 2010s era movies, but I'm just wondering cuz I know Wreck it Ralph is a really good movie, and also Moana (kinda)...
@@saragarnica723 I like Tangled very much, actually. It feels like a proper update on the Renaissance-type movies, the characters are well written, likable and memorable, the plot is actually consistent, the music is great, being the last one composed by Alan Menken.
It did set a few annoying tropes Disney can't seem to move on from like the dizzy awkward female lead, the cynical male lead who isn't exactly romantically involved with her (Eugene is, but they pretty much recycled and flanderized his character trope again and again), and the road movie plot with subversions (again, not as bad as Frozen or Zootopia).
I really wanted to like Moana, but I hate Maui too much and the constant mocking of Disney tropes is obnoxious.
Curious as to how big this video gets cause there’s not many people making massive videos talking about this.
Because there's a massive echo chamber surrounding Zootopia. Funny sloth + racism bad = best movie ever. Consume and don't ask questions
@@yrooxrksvi7142 No there isn`t, what are you talking about? People say it`s good because of the actual story and narrative.
@@Jdudec367 Yes, there is, as you are proving this very moment.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 No there isn`t, how am I??? That makes no sense.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 There is indeed a massive echo chamber you are not wrong. For example I have seen an overall lack of criticism on the whole Zootopia land in Shanghai Disney which I hope NEVER gets brought to the U.S.A. since I know full well the furries would ruin it for everybody and they would be doing things like greasing the gator and petting the cat on the awful dark ride.
I agree with some of your points, however I take umbrage with your claim that this is worse than Dial of Destiny. This movie's issues are confined to itself since it was an original IP, whereas Dial of Destiny retroactively hurts the whole franchise- which I consider far worse. Dial of Destiny deliberately undid the ending to Crystal Skull and contradicted the canon of the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. It constantly teased series staples- a Pat Roach-style big guy fight, Sallah on another adventure- only to not deliver. Even the iconography of Indiana Jones is neglected: Indy never uses his trademark revolver, his famous bullwhip is only used twice (the fewest times in any Indy film), there's only one booby trap, et cetera. TL;DR, I would argue Dial of Destiny is far worse because it isn't a standalone film and its existence harms other entries in its franchise.
Honestly, that’s fair. Though I’ll say as a series of isolated events, Zootopia does at least meet Dial of Destiny, if not surpasses it in how illogical the story was. But yeah you’re probably right that given the context of the previous films it makes Dial worse.
That is true any bad sequel to a good film is far worse than a standalone bad movie since at least the standalone movie doesn’t ruin anything that existed before it. It’s why for example Ralph Breaks The Internet (a movie where many of the same people who worked on Zootopia like Bitch Moore also worked on that movie unfortunately) is far worse than The Emoji Movie.
With the odd racism thing to Nick. as a person from a country where Anti-sectarianism was once very common (anti-sectarianism is kinda hard to explain but its basically racism in broad strokes as its to do with being Irish or British & they are tied to two christian sects Catholics & Protestants) So from what I know of a guy who became part of the UVF he was thrown into the river by some catholics as a kid as the troubles began & I cannae explain it well but its the start of his beliefs about Catholics which put him on a path that'd lead to him being in the UVF which did stuff like bombings & shootings & troubles. Anyway Jun Tzu's album the Troubles explains the life of his father (for the most part) & in the song "a cause worth fighting for" it pretty well sumerises how the children develop the bigoted views that would lead to years of pain. The Album is wonderful & today with the whole Hamas thing it taught me an very important lesson that terrorists shouldn't just be dehumanised & you should try & reverse radicalisation in other ways like in Northern Ireland where we undid it by having both sides come to a peace agreement which lead to a shitty government & the end of the majority of Paramilitary violence. My Uncle Brian Barton wrote a book or two on this from a centrist view he worked in queens as a professor of History & that also does a good job of explaining it. Despite all this I'd say the kids didnae do something that'd cause what the movie claims.
Does anybody else realize that Smellweather's head is shaped like a cone? A racist with a white cone hair style, very eerily similar to the hood of a certain racist organization...
Oh my god
It’s pure copaganda and bizarre at many points. Forget the plot contrivances; predator and prey is one of the worst ways to analyse minority relations, because it’s a disgustingly racist allegory.
Also I love how one of the main plot points is a cop blackmailing a minority and almost getting them killed by the mafia because they wouldn’t accept parking duty.
Because this minority (the fox) is a proven thief and tax avoider. "Blackmailing" - you mean doing her job as a cop collecting evidence?
Yes, she blackmailed him. She illegally used his tax records (that she shouldn’t have access to) in order to extort him into helping her follow a missing persons case, which is unbelievably dangerous. Doesn’t matter if he’s a criminal, that’s illegal to begin with and she would be fired as soon as Bogo learned what happened.
There's also the fact that half the time predators are treated like the oppressive Majority and half the time as the oppressed Minority. You can't really swap back and forth that easily.
Nobody is shaming anybody lol. Enjoyment of a film isn’t some kind of moral issue, but it’s an entirely valid criticism to discuss how the film fails in multiple different ways in conveying its message.
I can’t tell if you’re joking or not… 😂
Judy's not even a forensic profiler, so she has no reason to be the spokesperson.
36:33 Well, it could be like Beastars. People in that universe sell their eggs to get a profit. At least, that's somewhat explanable.
That last guy sounds like he's got some deep seeded issues he needs to work through, not every copper is a bloodthirsty psycho who only goes out to look for any excuse to shoot some black people 'merely for existing'. To claim that it is the status quo requires arrogance of the highest degree. Especially when its tied to the main characters PTSD from nearly being blinded in one eye after getting clawed by a fox as a child
If I was the writer for this movie I would never mention it in my Resume. A story about racism cannot be described through animals. Carnivores and Herbivores are fundamental features that cannot be changed unlike ideologies or religious beliefs.
This movie only doesn't make sense until you realize discrimination is a norm in their society. In fact, everyone is encouraged to discriminate. Which makes it hillarious. They say shit to each other things that we'd never get away with irl. Its the most based thing ever because everyones got thick skin.
Part of what gets me is that they don't seem to know which way they want to go. It starts out clearly discussing how the poor herbivores were oppressed and victimized by carnivores, which to me seemed to almost approach antebellum South with herbivores being black and carnivores being white. Then there were several scenes where again carnivores were kind of presented as having the sort of social position of the Majority commonly associated with white people in modern society, as carnivores held positions of authority in many places and the only herbivores that had any authority at all gained it by being huge. Then, despite portraying predators as the oppressors who'd dehumanized the herbivores' ancestors and still kept more power, it simultaneously presents them as the ones that everyone hates and sees as latent criminals whose very nature was violent and uncivilized, to the point that the predators were the ones suddenly arrested in bulk and rejected as "savages". Doesn't entirely fit, and feels like a confused allegory.
I find it funny that those boy scouts find Nick as a threat when there's a fucking Hippo with them, those things when fully grown can be 100 times more dangerous than a Fox. Also I think Nick's probable reason as to why he chose to be a low life isn't because of discrimination because he's a predator, but rather because his a fox, in the ending it's revealed that Nick is the first fox joining the police, so maybe there's discrimination to him being specifically a Fox and not just a predator, hell, maybe other predators discriminate them too. But that also runs into a problem since Judy was also the first rabbit officer, and it isn't like other species were racist towards bunnies, she was actually allowed to join the academy and all, yeah sure once she actually joined the police she wasn't really seen as a capable officer, but it isn't like she couldn't outright join them because of what species she is.
Not to mention the zebra, which are single-handedly responsible for injuring the most zookeepers out of any animal.
a hippo can bisect you in half. for funsies
The problem is we are essentially comparing alien racism to human racism. They are not the same thing! Also the part where Judy almost commits murder with a train is just so ridiculous I had to stop watching the movie. I finished the movie like a week later.
Exactly!
How is stopping a criminal ridiculous ?
32:00 Not a sexism allegory. It's literally because she's a bunny. There's other women in the police force that aren't treated this way, namely the elephant.
We know it’s not a sexism allegory. We’re saying they built up what could have been a great sexism allegory instead of the nonsense racism allegory.
Or, instead of some sort of play at a rural fair or festival, (incidentally, there was an alternate opening storyboarded with children in a classroom discussing their dreams and hopes, though still with the cringey costume stuff), have it be a class show and tell scenario.
In my personal biased opinion this film's main issue is that it aged poorly. We're not talking "Oh, some of the jokes just aren't as acceptable as they used to!" kind of aged poorly, we're talking full blown having your house swarmed with people in hazmat suits due to dangerous chemicals kind of aged poorly.
The reason why is because due to let's just say not so nice recent real world events that has happened recently, that just the idea of watching this movie makes me die on the inside knowing that I used to love this film back in 2016 and up until recently as I got older due to the stuff of what I mentioned earlier in this comment and due to just common sense in general.
The only reason why I'm even watching this video is just to 100% see if I'm *really* the only one that either word for word feels this way or at the very least have similar opinions on the movie as a whole.
I feel very much the same mostly, these days I criticize my 16 year old self for enjoying that movie knowing full well I was trying to ignore the badly done racism metaphor. Thankfully I eventually stopped (which didn’t take too long) and now I know better then to enjoy such a cringy film like this.
@steverogers-zx1iq Here's something for you, kiddo. Can you stop with the spamming? Yeah, not fun when you're called out, is it? You've been called out a lot, and then just dropped conversation to spam your brain fried takes in other replies.
What makes matters worse is that I believe that the original plot/story has at least a 50% chance of doing what the current version is trying to do a lot better, but no they scrapped the original idea because it was "Too miserable" or something. Not to mention that I personally feel that 99% of the problems boil down to how things would've been better if Judy was either written better or have been replaced with a much better protagonist. Of course I'm planning on watching "Zootopia 2", but mainly just to see if Disney does a better job this time or somehow makes it just as bad if not worse than "Zootopia".
One more thing about Bellwether, you didn't point out one more thing. Her plan is not only self-sabotaging because of her helping Judy actively, but also because it's so self defeating is dumb. If she wanted to effectively push her anti-predator narrative home, why didn't she just have them shot in BROAD DAYLIGHT and CROWDED areas, so that they would hurt people, therefore make her look justified ? No, she had them shot at complete random in isolated locations, then the Mayor's goons _conveniently_ scoop them up and quarantine them, in order to wait for the one cop with a functioning brain to come along and blame it on Lionheart. Her entire motivation boils down to "Mayor Omni Man is a meanie to me, so all predators suck". God, is my blood boiling now......
Why would you say something so controversial and yet so brave?
This was an interesting video with great points about the world building and message being so confusing and poorly constructed they crash into each other and implode in on themselves. Fox and the Hound does the message better and Homestuck with Alternia and the Trolls are better at both. To keep the latter brief, while we don't get to spend a lot of time on Alternia before the larger plot of the comic takes precedent, the hemospectrum, a system where the color of your blood determines your social class (reds to yellows at the bottom, greens in-between, blues and purples at the top), is still set up as why hatred and prejudice is a rampant disease in Troll society, and how the 12 Trolls we follow find it stupid to varying degrees and formed their friend circle in spite of it. While the different castes have certain characteristics exclusive to them (violet and fuchsia bloods being aquatic, goldbloods being psionically gifted, jadebloods being resistant to strong solar rays, etc) the message isn't mangled beyond recognition because Trolls are a single species akin to humans instead of Zootopia bringing in as many animals as possible with wildly varying stats that comparison becomes apples and oranges.
I FINALLY FOUND MY PEOPLE!!
The worldbuilding in this film is genuinely laughable. It contradicts itself at almost every avenue to the point where it becomes self-sabotage. And that twist… Holy balls that twist is bad. Thank you for dissecting this messy film in the excruciating detail most of us couldn’t.
Thanks!
I think a better use of the racial allegory would be The Land Before Time, which does use dinosaurs as a bit of an allegory for racism, but specifically uses herbivorous dinosaurs to convey the message. The dinosaurs know that the differences between them are arbitrary but still don’t intermingle with each other because to them that’s just how it is, but the movie also shows the benefits that come from working together, as the kids use each species’ strengths to help each other out.
I think it works much better than Zootopia because none of the dinosaurs are treated as stand ins for specific racial groups, and it’s also told through the eyes of kid who are only just being told about these things, therefore aren’t as rooted in their ways as the adults are, so are more willing to change.
Does sheev keep saying "tundra" when he means "biome" or am I mishearing him?
Yeah that’s what he meant lol
Honestly, I feel like a less problematic way to open the film might have been something like some children watching a history documentary in a classroom providing exposition on the world, Perhaps a movie about the Predator vs. Prey conflict in a theater, or a group of schoolchildren or something like that touring the natural history museum.
I never saw this film, but this breakdown sounds logical.
Something always felt "off" about this movie.
This film is my favorite piece of eugenics propaganda
judy is more of a villain then bellwether
I respect you opinion. Not everyone will love something that people.
And I respect that.
I hope keep making good videos.
Zootopia is good overall but its the community that it brought. I don't need to say what it brought
I can’t even agree that it’s even good on its own.
Well, it seems like Zootopia is worse than just a weird furry movie.
Cats Don't Dance did this entire metaphor 10x better 19 years before Zootropolis. They found away around the issues of using animal characters for a racism allegory by taking the Looney Tunes route by having anthro animals and humans existing in the same universe. Go watch it if you haven't.
Yes indeed! Cats Don't Dance is truly an underrated gem.
Aw yes for NO GOOD REASON they changed the name of the film in the U.K to Zootropolis, although I would argue that name might actually be better, especially since it’s quite stupid to name your city with the word utopia in it for many reasons. Either way the name change was ridiculous for the simple fact that the U.K also speaks English (with some differences) much like the U.S.A.
37:12 Minor nitpick to your nitpick, but sheep aren't skinned for their wool, they're sheared. It doesn't hurt them if it's done properly. In fact, they need to be sheared regularly or their wool becomes overgrown, and it becomes a health hazard to them because we've bred them to overproduce it. A sheep in the Zootopia universe could feasibly start their own business selling their own wool.
Me and my family were confused why I didn’t like this movie but after watching this, this is a perfect example of why I really don’t like this movie
For years I've been saying just how overrated this movie. I was kicked out of the Disney Wiki years ago for taking an unorthodox stance. It's preachy, it's overindulgent, tries too hard to be hip, cool and raunchy, can't decide whether it's a lol random buddy comedy or a "thought provoking" crime drama, the characters are insufferable, the villain is lazy and her plan makes no logical sense. But because "Funny sloth guy" and "muh tollerance message", everyone just seal clapped at it. Furry trash, that's what it is.
@@nicholassims9837 And you deserve the trash they churn out nowadays.
@@nicholassims9837 You deserve getting garbage, because you're incapable of handling criticism without calling "entitlement and insulting everything". Funny, because the first is what your pretty bunny cop is, and second, you're acting like you're paid by Disney.
Pretty much, and the fact they treated you like that (sorry to hear that happened to you) gives the modern Disney fanbase traits like a cult (wouldn't surprise me if that's what they are now), and every time I see blind praise for modern Disney from someone, I wonder if they are on Disney's payroll/were promised a free lifetime subscription to their streaming service/free lifetime passes for their parks if they did nothing but sing blind praises.
This movie would have worked better as a metaphor of misandry.
@@Judyhopps-1iqI got a finger for you
how so?
@@yulee3266
Night howler serum is testosterone, as many people think it makes men "aggressive".
The predators (men) are treated as inhuman monsters and prey (women) avoid being around them.
Judy even tries using "fox repellent" on Nick.
@@thelibyanplzcomeback interesting if the movies allegorites were done a bit better various types of discrimination could have been included
@@yulee3266 Every group of human treats other groups of humans horribly. We should just focus on getting rid of discrimination as a whole instead of focusing on specific types of discrimination, which ironically divides us even more.
Funny, all I remember from Zootopia was a cute and colorful anthropomorphic buddy cop comedy the furry community was going to ship the 'F' out of the two leads.
"Cute and colorful"
Why ? Because "Durrr sloth at DMV funni" ? "Face swap app funni" ? It's trash, unfunny, preachy as hell and can't decide whether it wants to be a buddy comedy or a crime drama.
I would be SHOCKED if they aren’t made a official couple in that unnecessary sequel, especially since I bet the sequel is going to do interspecies marriages as a terrible metaphor for interracial marriages due to how woke Disney is. Not to mention the whole franchise panders to furries anyway and they know full well that they are all too stupid to understand how badly done Zootopia is not to mention they love shipping the main characters. Either way it’s quite clear something along those lines is going to happen judging by that whole “you know you love me” dialogue near the end of the film.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Oh, wow...this was actually a really great video, and I genuinely enjoyed it the whole way through! 😃😄 Also, as someone who has seen Zootopia in the theater when it first came out, and believed it was a good movie (at first), I'm genuinely baffled of how awful it really is after watching your video. Like yeah, I just recently rewatched this movie about a year ago on Disney+, and while I still somewhat enjoyed it, I couldn't help but feel that something about this movie was off...like for some strange and inexplicable reason, something about it didn't feel right, and I never understood why at the time. After that, I didn't think too much about it, but after happening to stumble across and watch the video, even pausing it multiple times, going back a few seconds every so often just to understand everything, and seriously starting to question what the fuck is this movie even, I realized that everything I thought about Zootopia was not only challenged, but was proven to me wrong. Like, I went from somewhat liking this movie a bit (even if something wasn't adding up) to being completely intrigued & frankly disappointed on how the movie turned out to be. How or why some people claim it to be a "masterpiece" and it being so critically acclaimed, I do not nor probably will ever understand. On top of all that, a sequel is now coming out next year...don't know how to feel about that...🤨🤔
Also one more thing, and I know it has nothing to do with Zootopia, or this video in general, but there's this movie from Dreamworks Animation called "Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie." Apparently, it's based off of a series of children's books called "Captain Underpants," and as far as I know, the movie is based on 4 out of 10 or maybe 15...ish books from said series, and no, I haven't read any of the books, nor do I know much about them. The movie came out in 2017, so like only a year after Zootopia, which speaking of, kind of went through a similar situation like Zootopia's. How exactly? Well, for starters: both were initially critically acclaimed when they first came out, people praising them, saying how good their animation was, the voice acting, story, humor, and things like that, even going as far as saying their "masterpieces" when they clearly aren't. And yeah, much like with Zootopia, I too watched the Captain Underpants movie when it first came out, and actually really liked it at the time. However, after rewatching this movie again on Netflix (about 2 or 3 days ago), I can confidently say that it's not only a really bad movie, but also an awful one too, just as much as Zootopia. Why? Because the characters here are extremely unlikeable, especially the two main "protagonists," the plot/story makes absolutely zero sense, the world building is dysfunctional, most of the jokes are either painfully unfunny, childish, or uncomfortable in certain scenes (although very few of them are genuinely hilarious), and the quote un-quote "villains" are not even that villanous, well, except maybe the Professor P. guy or whatever his name is. In fact, I'd go as far as too say that the two main kid protagonists in this movie are far more villanous than the supposed villains, seeing how their clearly petty, immoral, and illegal actions are painted in a good light, almost like expecting us to believe that their the good guys and should be rooting for them or something like that.
So, with all that being said (and I sincerely apologize if my comment here is way too long, just had a lot of stuff I wanted to say), I am curious to know if you have ever watched this movie, or at least heard about it. If so, what's your opinion on it? It would be interesting to hear. Anyways, thank you and your friends for this awesome video!😊😁 You all clearly put in a lot of thought, care, & effort into it, and was totally worth it!😎👌👏
@@TheSEAempire OMG!🤯😆 Thank you so much for reading my comment and liking it! It means a whole lot to me so I really appreciate it!🥰😊 Forgot to mention your video was also hilarious and made me laugh numerous times!😂🤣 Also, don't listen to the dude over here. Man doesn't know what hes talking about...🙄😒
You can't really claim something horrible, cause that's just your opinion.
Watch the video.
You can, it's called "objective analysis"
Even if it's objectively the worst movie ever, people should still be allowed to enjoy it for their own reasons. People call me insane for enjoying something they didn't like and that's just poor way of thinking
Yeah, I never once implied otherwise.
Yeah but predator x prey is the one true pairing. Critics btfo. Furrys take a easy w.🎉
I've just subbed. Excellent work . I know there are some folks who are going to go after you for saying this is nitpicking or something like that and let me tell you these folks are wrong. I'm an aspiring writer(who is currently outlining a story for either a screenplay or book. I haven't decided yet.) and seeing this breakdown really helps me see what to avoid when constructing my own work. Something like establishing your main character, Judy, as a goody-two-shoes and then immediately contradicting that with Nick the Fox and coercing him without any serious reprucssions is terrible. While writing fiction is a creative exercise, it's very much akin to problem-solving in that you have a character(s) needing to address a central conflict. The skill of the writer comes with keeping characters, story, and world consistent and cogent to achieve verisimilitude. It's why I can say something like Arcane is a masterpiece because the showrunners and team put in the hard work and effort with making sure the characters, story, and world were air tight. That takes careful outlining, redrafting, and asking the right questions(also someone to be a drill sergeant as an editor in finding the problems) to make something good. All in all, thank you for the video; it gave me a lot to think about my own work. :)
Thanks so much, and I wish you all the best with your writing! 😁
@@TheSEAempire No problem, and thank you for putting in the effort to produce this video.
Not nitpicky but like....I would still argue he is wrong. Also she gave him a choice, it was either that or be rightfully arrested.
Cops have no right to use hostages.
@@TheSEAempire eh....they can use intimidation tactics at times and this person wasn`t a full on hostage just someone they used for questioning.
So, wait this movie is glorifying police brutality and police misconduct?
49:33 wait, how the hell are you able to Tom Brady something across the field if it's tied around the goal post?
So
Is the abortion comic better?
Oh easily.
…somehow.
Abortion comic?
Oh… oh you have no idea… don’t look into it 💀
@@TheSEAempire I really want to know. Dark stuff doesn't bother me, and my curiosity is thoroughly piqued.
@@catfinity8799
*Ahem* some comic maker called Borba created a comic where Judy is gotten pregnant by Nick, and decides to have an abortion. Drama ensues. If you want to read it, just Google Borba zootopia.
I found Zootopia rather boring, and nearly fell asleep in the theater, or well my parents thought I was asleep despite me being awake. Also isn't the Fox considered very intelligent? Only the Skunk Rug was the most hilarious in the movie.
Also this film also started the human in an animated animal world trend in fan fiction example what if a human entered zootopia universe or kung fu panda universe.
Plus this was a stepping stone for idris Elba for becoming knuckles which I view that as plus.
Are you sure that trend didn't came out with the Isekais like SAO?
Zootopia is what happens when Disney tries to make an adaptation of the world of Kevin and Kell or Carry On: the Road to Rackenroon and you are forced to realize that worlds that actually operate like those comics would be completely at odds with how our society is morally framed with Christian mindset so entrenched in our moral and legal philosophy.
I never really thought Bogo were unreasonable
38:37 The is a market in the background that sells fish. So thats disturbing.
So does this imply that the fish are just not as far evolved? Is it only mammals? Or do they just eat them anyways?
@@Backfisch5927 (Sigh) Yes it does imply that. I'm not defending the movie, but I think we can pretty easily assume that not all animals evolved in the same way or at the same rate. I mean even nowadays we have monkeys and humans. It is perfectly reasonable to assume that a civilization that is made up primarily of oblique carnivores would have some kind of meat source for food. Considering fish can't wear suits. I'm pretty sure they were left out of the evolution for this very purpose.
@@ertawanderer1062 This actually interested me so I looked it up and the writer said on twitter that in early versions they ate fish and that they weren't as far evolved but then they changed it because them not being as far evolved would confuse the rules of the world so because they probably changed that after this scene was animated the fish are now just as evolved as the other animals but are still being eaten
@@Backfisch5927 okay, now that is mortifying. Although it makes me wonder how on earth the carnivores survive if everything is human level intelligence
@@ertawanderer1062 meat replacements like the ones we have in the real world
As the years go by, I lose more and more respect for Zootopia as a film that is supposedly anti-bigoted. It’s a fun movie if you ignore, well, mostly everything that it tries to do. Looking back, all this seems rather obvious, and it is, but yeah I do understand how most people (myself included) thought Disney was heading in the right direction when it comes to depicting bigotry in their films.
Fortunately, I’ve gotten more perceptive of such bad or misused portrayal of racism in media. When I saw the trailer for Elemental, I had hopes of it being a better Zootopia, as the themes of racism were also prominent. While the movie wasn’t as bad as Zootopia, it still has major flaws that hold it back from being a true successor. For starters, there’s thankfully no big eugenics statement on how all the other Elements rightfully hate fire people because it’s in their nature to burn them. Earth folk are the most in danger of catching fire, but it’s not like they die from it or something crazy like that.
The issue comes from the fact we as the audience are supposed to like Wade, and how even though Ember is the main protagonist, the movie likes emphasizing how “better” her life is now that he’s in it. Certain scenes make it very clear that Wade, and water people as a whole, don’t really care how dangerous or difficult life in the city is for fire people, with its heavy usage of water. You could do so much with this concept, maybe making it so the final big moment is Ember realizing Wade isn’t for her, dumping him as a result of him not wanting to understand she can’t just leave her struggling parents behind for a mere shot of getting her dream job. Perhaps the tackling of racism would still be a little eh, but it’d be a phenomenal failed romance film, showing that it’s ok to break up with someone who is incompatible with how you view the world (in the positive ways).
Crazy part is the movie almost did this, but the plot practically forced Ember to get with Wade, not because he finally came to understand her situation as fire or did anything significant to help her situation, but because him almost dying apparently caused Ember to care about him again. framing the argument they had prior as her just being “irrational.” A lot of this movie is about Ember learning to be calmer and all that, but it’s not really a problem in my eyes, as she gets angry for justifiable reasons. Like the film suggest, some passionate outbursts may be due to her frustration feeling cheated out of doing her own thing when she has to also help her struggling family, but for the most part it’s just because the people she’s getting mad at are genuinely being annoying and unreasonable.
As you can tell I’m very passionate about Elemental, Ember’s character in particular, so my bad if this was a bit long. Just have lots to say on the matter.
We already live in the golden age of Hollywood anti-romance and it’s just never enough for some folks.
Instead of rewriting everything so people break up, how about give us something to aspire to.
But it's good because the gazelle and the tigers are hot.
This is a fantastic analysis of the film - unbiased, focused on facts. I whole heartedly agree with your points. Keep up the great work!
Thank you very much!
its a cartoon my god
Yeah, a bad cartoon. Did you know cartoons can be bad? I know, crazy!
@@brolly2612 Cartoons can suck, lmao. Star Wars: The Clone Wars is a prime example
16 minutes ago this video had 339 views now it has 749, I like the way TH-cam is starting to promote small channels and in the home page
edit: i don't fucking know why i wrote this comment
On YT Studio it’s currently saying it’s at 993, I’m loving this lol
@@TheSEAempire You deserve more subs btw, i really liked the video!
Thank you!
Lady and Tramp are still the best Disney animal leads! And Song of the South has Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah, an iconic master work!
Stop the ZCU! Down with Zootopia Land!
What the other 2 guys said
Um erhm um nitpicking + overthinking + zoocopeia
Nah, Chicken Little is worst. At least Zootopia doesn’t have aliens.
How do aliens make a story functionally worse?
@@TheSEAempire it’s a movie about anthropomorphic animals. An alien invasion has nothing to do within this world. It makes the tone inconsistent and the world building fail.
Since when was tone a provable and objective trait of storytelling? How can you *prove* what the tone is?
@@TheSEAempire because the reason the aliens come to earth in the movie is very stupid (they don’t even want to invade earth, with one of the worse misunderstandings ever put in a film). Plus the film was a family drama about a kid who was harassed at school, why bring aliens with Trolls-like design into this ? Plus in a world where alien lives, how can the earth planet be composed of anthropomorphic animals and not humans ? And about that, in a world with anthropomorphic animals, how come all the chairs are the same at school, why isn’t there any larger or smaller chairs for kids from different sizes ? See, the world building is not tangible in Chicken Little, it’s all over the place and not cohesive with its own premise. And the story is composed of the worst characters ever, like Chicken’s father who is a complete idiot, or the mayor who is not much better. The satire in this movie is even bigger of an insult, because all the town gets out of there way because a little kid is saying the sky is falling, and then it’s the kid’s fault that everyone were insane.
At least the world building in Zootopia is tangible and well animated, and at least the characters are not that dumb. That’s objective facts, dude.
The aliens were still far more likable than the vast majority of characters though.
I’m so hot
Yes, yes you are.
Good collab lol
One more thing about Bellwether, you didn't point out one more thing. Her plan is not only self-sabotaging because of her helping Judy actively, but also because it's so self defeating is dumb. If she wanted to effectively push her anti-predator narrative home, why didn't she just have them shot in BROAD DAYLIGHT and CROWDED areas, so that they would hurt people, therefore make her look justified ? No, she had them shot at complete random in isolated locations, then the Mayor's goons _conveniently_ scoop them up and quarantine them, in order to wait for the one cop with a functioning brain to come along and blame it on Lionheart. Her entire motivation boils down to "Mayor Omni Man is a meanie to me, so all predators suck". God, is my blood boiling now......
Looking back, this movie has aged horribly.
I love the movie but it is very evident that it came out in a time where BLM as a movement was taken less seriously and a lot more people were more willing to support the Police.
2016 had a tinge of Neoliberal optimism that I think the film exudes that has since faded away as the world becomes more and more polarized.
Never liked this movie, so preachy, so browbeating over "RACISM BAD", yet doing everything in its power to make me HATE every single character. The insufferable preppy bunny, the generic sly fox who's just another Flynn Rider/Kristoff/Maui stand-in, the stiff ah chief who's dumber than a box of rocks, the goddamn sheep and her stupid plan that makes no sense. I was honestly shocked when I noticed they even pulled a Breaking Bad reference into this travesty too, like, wow.....Of all things, you're gonna reference THAT in your Disney movie just to look smarter and edgier ?
@@nicholassims9837 The "Ackchually" damage control squad is here. If this movie was subtle, then you're not an obvious Disney PR.
coincidentally i just rewatched zootopia recently and thought it wasn’t really that good either
I can't help but think about the simple fact that the movie uses predators and prey for it's racism allegory. If I think about it more than a minute, I can't help but see it as problematic and fucked up, especially on it's most basic, surface-levels details. From the play at the beginning of the film depicting the natural history of the world, to the addition of the Night Howlers into the narrative. I'm probably looking at it at the surface level, but I can't help but see it as the movie saying "In the past, the violent minorities have the animalistic instinct to kill white people", and "Under the right drug (I.E. Night Howlers), minorities can become violent towards other minorities and white people."
What’s worse is that the drug DOES present a threat to prey animals, in a sense, justifying their racism 💀
True in the back of my mind I knew you didn’t have to think too hard to realize how the racism metaphor doesn’t make any sense even in the context of that world. My stupid 16 year old self at first tried to ignore but eventually I got smarter, less naive, and realized how utterly nonsensical and cringeworthy the metaphor is, such as that “Go back to the forest predator!” line as it is so cringeworthy on how hard they tried to make it similar to the real world.
man not to nitpick but you guys do know you don't have to skin a sheep to get the wool, right?
I only watched the first half of the movie and don't even care about it, yet I'm still watching this video to the end.
Grifters gotta grift
*How to tell me you didn’t watch the video without telling me you didn’t watch the video*
But good job clicking, I’ll be sure to think about you next time I buy a coffee.
An amazing movie that is racist. Um truly a great film.
Nice. I’m looking forward to checking this out. I remember seeing this movie years ago and never really revisiting it so I’m curious to hear why it sucks.
I don’t see how this movie could have the worst world building while this is the only anthropomorphic animal world who cares to explain how different sized animals coexist. Compare that to Sing 1 and 2 from Illuminations, you can tell more efforts were put into Zootopia to make this world function.
I haven’t seen the Sing movies, but from my understanding they operate under pure cartoon logic where the fact that they’re animals is a non-factor in the story. Meanwhile Zootopia makes it *very* clear that these animals are evolved from primitive animals in our real world. If that’s the case, they set up the circumstances in which further scrutiny is required. The onus is on them to keep their own story internally logical.
@@TheSEAempire and why are the chairs so high in Sing which makes impossible for a koala or a mouse to sit on that ? Cartoon logic doesn’t excuse basic incoherency.
@@TheSEAempire plus it presents that in a school play. A school play oversimplifies how that worked. We can imagine a lot more happened before they managed to reach peace.
Sure more happened between the events described and the current events of the film, I know how chronology works. My point is that it doesn’t matter WHAT happened between the past the animals evolved from and the current day, since that STILL isn’t applicable to humanity. There are no biological differences that justify fear between any people groups. No humans have claws, fangs, spines, tusks, horns, etc. Human bigotry is inherently stupid, but for somebody to be scared of what someone else can do in Zootopia is a totally reasonable response. Hence why the allegory doesn’t work.
@@TheSEAempire except this isn’t, because it’s implied that the prey and predator evolution into a coexisting society is far beyond in the past, thus not a plausible factor. It’s like saying the men could come back to their prehistoric nature and take women by their hairs.
The only reason it’s reasonable to assume they could come back to their predator nature is because the sheeps used the flowers to create weapons. They manipulate the facts to arrange their side, and manage to make the scientists raise hypothesis which weren’t yet proved.
The fact that they evolved is the prehistorical premise of that world, it’s like prehistory for them. Thus the parallel works because they make assumptions on an incomplete investigation and theoretical biology from their prehistoric nature. Within that world this is not plausible but the medias make it seems like this is.
Bad video
*TK-9851 when in 1977 he hit his head on a door.*
You hit your head on a door stfu
Lol he’s a friend of mine, don’t worry
@@TheSEAempire Gotcha lol
Beastars is zootopia done well.
I agree but it's less sexually appealing for some reason.
@@AbrasiousProductions debatable
@@roachewy beastars doesn't really do much for me, it should but I don't really like the animation style, despite zootopia's poor writing many of the characters are quite arousing, especially Judy
You are all far too kind to these directors/writers considering many of the same people who worked on that film like Bitch Moore also made that HORRID movie known as Ralph Breaks The Internet and well Zootopia holds some blame in why it was so bad considering it tried too hard to be relevant and cared more about pushing an agenda then actually making anything good, something that HORRENDOUS film also has as well. So really if they were talented they aren’t anymore, in fact if they had started work on a sequel to Wreck It Ralph first it might have not turned out so bad in the first place. Not to mention the laughable statements these directors/writers have made about the movie such as claiming the carnivore citizens do not eat other mammals because the dietary supplements for them are fish, plant protein and insects, since fish and bugs are not sapient and that the city also has a fast-food restaurant chain named Bug-Burga, which caters insect-based cuisine for this need. Judging by these statements they seem to actually believe that not a SINGLE predator no matter who they are, doesn’t try and eat prey meat. That I find to be utterly LAUGHABLE as there just has to be some sort of black market for prey meat, that shady predators will be willingly to pay boatloads of money for (Something that a anime/manga known as Beaststars actually discusses and shows and from what I heard is basically Zootopia done better) Not to mention the movie never goes over any incidents of predators willingly attacking and eating prey animals out of their own free will even though that OBVIOUSLY has had to have happened at least a few times. I can’t believe stupid 16 year old me once actually LIKED this film though thankfully it didn’t take too long for me to realize things like how the racism metaphor makes no sense even in the context of that world. Not to mention this film is disturbingly popular with furries, though it’s not hard to see why but still I can’t STAND them and it’s why I hope the Zootopia land in Shanghai Disney NEVER comes to the U.S. since we all know the furries would ruin it in ways such as greasing the gator and petting the cat on the AWFUL dark ride there, speaking of which I really have to criticize the ride for not having Duke Weaselton kidnap Gazelle instead of Bellwether, especially since it seems so PATHETIC for her to be committing mere kidnapping for ransom, due to that being arguably a overall less serious crime then her dumb fear mongering actions (that’s basically what she was doing in the movie) and it’s arguably a HUGE case of villain decay right there. So yeah there you go, you can all see why I have problem with this movie (sorry for the long comment but I really needed to say all this)
The problem I had with this movie is the plot because was Nick even destined to be a cop?
@@jaypee116 Well that’s also a good criticism too. Just because I didn’t mention it doesn’t mean your criticism isn’t valid.
DIdn`t they work on the first Ralph movie too though? And Zootopia doesn`t hold any blame for another movie being bad, except Zootopia doesn`t have that or is even a bad film. That`s not even a laughable statement that seems genuinely likely. Nah some try to eat prey meat but that would be more illegal and maybe even black market shit but that would more so be in Beastars really. Well yeah that likely does exist and I`ve seen Beastars and it isn`t all done better as discussed here on TH-cam. It didn`t have to do that though to get it`s point across, predators hardly do that here now and that`s fine really. You weren`t stupid as a 16 year old it seems as it isn`t a bad film and the metaphor is not just racism, I would argue it`s about sexism too. It is less serious but it isn`t pathetic to just do it for a ransom. And her fear mongering actions weren`t dumb, how is it villain decay?
@@Mario87456Have you ever wondered what zootopia 2 will be handle since the chaos of 2020 impact on society?
@@jaypee116 Maybe, but I’m not sure. I do know that its sequel is going to be clearly very woke in some way. It probably will involve Nick and Judy getting married and that being used as a terrible metaphor for interracial marriages.
Zootopia is a weird movie
It's an overrated woke movie
@@yrooxrksvi7142how is it woke if it’s unintentionally promoting literal racism?
@@stubblytuna4068 It's woke because it perfectly represents leftist dialectical thinking : thesis, antithesis and synthesis. The thesis is you have this unlikely paradise for all animals living in harmony, the antithesis is that in actuality, these animals are racist as hell and live dysfunctionally with one another. The synthesis is that the end pretends that it's all good, let's all sing Kumbayah and hold hands because Judy Hopps is gosh darn amazing, brave and stunning.
In fact, look at her : she's every awful millennial/Gen Z and cop stereotypes in one person. Entitled, preachy, embarassingly naive, yet so career-obsessed she's willing to deal with criminals to get what she want. And she's treated as the hero because she's "the underdog".
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Anyone who uses woke to describe anything is cringe
@@johnmiller7637 Anyone who says cringe unironically to dismiss something they disagree with is intellectually void.
In my opinion Elemental made a better racist allegory then Zootopia
Sorry but I think Elemental is worse allegory on racism than Zootopia. Race, as we know, is when some members of species have separated into groups very long time ago and those groups have developed some differing attributes but fundamentally function the same.
Elemental is about elemental creatures that could destroy each other just by existing. Using elemental creatures who are fundamentally different from each other and functioning in different ways as an allegory on race is really awkward and f*ked up.
Nah, both movies suck and are preachy woke nonsense.
@@nicholassims9837 No, they both suck and you're a Disney shill on their payroll.
@@nicholassims9837 No they don't, I can hear Disney's bribes ringing in your pockets.
I thought nobody saw nor cared about Elemental due to poor marketing.
when Zootopia is viewed as a direct racial allegory, it becomes problematic. There are parts of the story that fit, others that fit awkwardly, and others were it doesn't work at all.
The reason for this is that both the directors and writers have said that the film isn't intended as a racial allegory but was an examination of bias (both personal and societal) and how it leads to stereotyping, prejudice and profiling. The creative team worked extensively with Shakti Butler, PhD, Founder and Creative Director of World Trust, who is an educator in the field of racial equity to make sure they were presenting bias correctly especially when it touched on racial themes.
So rather than being one consistent racial allegory throughout the story, it's a series of different views of bias at work in different situations.
So while your commentary has merits, its fundamental assumption is flawed. You are analyzing the movie through the wrong set of lenses.
Ok so let’s disregard everything I said about racism: fine. I’ll bite. So now let’s just replace racism with general bigotry. Almost all of the criticisms would remain equally as valid, since the film doesn’t understand that bigotry isn’t biological and is inherently drawn from superficial differences, not substantial objective ones.
@@TheSEAempire "Almost all of the criticisms would remain equally as valid, since the film doesn’t understand that bigotry isn’t biological"
with this you're telling me that you just took the film too seriously.
but i'll follow you with this one.
in this context biological factors make the prejudice and "fear" stronger pushing the message it wants to tell. In fact, these things would be waaaay more marked in this context because we're talking about anthropomorphic animals living in one place
and it's not like the movie completely ignores the superficial differences, quite the opposite actually.
Come on man, you can’t tell me I’m taking the film too seriously right after saying the creative team consulted experts on the subject matter of bigotry to handle the very clearly serious subject matter with tact. I’m taking the film as seriously as the creatives clearly wanted people to take it, and devaluing the discussion by saying “you just took the film too seriously” is downright disrespectful to the film you’re trying to defend. Come on.
@@TheSEAempire you're right on this one
Don't forget the pro-establishment pr()paganda
GOATed Crossover on TH-cam 😂😂😂
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