i think my problem with hazbin hotel is that it's trying to be a cosmic political drama ending in an epic final battle when the pilot pitched a more episodic show about the question of if bad people can redeem themselves and honestly that show sounds a lot more interesting to me, i'm not even saying the heaven v hell conflict couldn't be intesresting, just that as someone who watched the pilot when it came out that this show just isn't the premise that was advertised to people all those years back honestly i'm still in shock alistor isn't even the main antagonist despite how much set up there was for that in the pilot
Yeah, I feel like if they should've started off with a more episodic season one of the characters doing a bunch of excises to try and get better, then the revel that happens in episode 1 could happen at the end of the season. Then they could through the whole "heaven is corrupted" storyline with the big finale, after we've already had a season to grow attached to the characters and could see them wanting to protect the hotel.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawnwell Helluva Boss, at least the pilot, advertised itself as a startup mercenary/assassin group. Their premise was that they go up to earth and kill humans, for the half of season 1 and most of season 2, they don’t do that.
Plus, the first episodes were the ones that Viviane Medrano had the most hand in. So, the worst episodes- Take'er out of the team, then the second season will be great.
Alastor is probably the most fumbled character in the show. He went from the pilot where he was charming, funny, had that amazing voice and sound effects that mimic 1930s radio entertainment, an aesthetically appealing design, and of course, the unnerving mystery behind his intentions. In the show, they watered down that personality to basically just "oOoh he's EVIL, check out how mysterious and EVIL he is" ..not to mention the horrible shift in color scheme. PINK DOES NOT SUIT HIM, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
Pink AND the white line on his jacket that by color and luminosity theory makes you capture your attention in the bright color (white again) and not look at him in the face. Also, there is no white anywhere else in his design, so it's taken out of nowhere :b
@@Fluffycakez5 and also because he seems way older than the rest of the cast + he doesn't seem like the kind of person who cares much about their own health or looks even.
@@iwantedtobethatanomaly2270 it's funny cuz he's actually one of the youngest, I believ he died in the 70's or 80's while Angel died in the 40's, Nifty in the 50's i believe, and Alastor in the 1920's
@@manuba_He seems to have died the most recently of the main cast(so the newest to hell), but Angel was born in the 1910s, Husk in the 1910s/1900s, Alastor in the 1900s/1890s, and Sir Pentious was was born in the mid 19th century?? Nifty was born the latest(in the 1930s) and is the youngest. But Husk is the “Oldest” in that he was alive on earth the longest. If that makes sense?
@SlimeMcfly yeah he died the oldest but does that really mean anything? their decades in hell still count, sure they don't physically age but they still accumulate life experience which should make a difference in their relationships for sure, unfortunately like a lot of the backstory info from these characters, it's not really considered in their writing
Funny you mention the salt thing. As an artist I have my own hyper fixations and am currently writing a comic. I like to think of writing a story as baking a cake. What are the main components of cake? Flour, sugar, fat, stabilizer(eggs or seeds). Flour is the main story, sugar is the characters(too much is too sweet, too many characters are overwhelming) fat is lore(a little is okay but too much can overpower) and the stabilizer is the themes i guess. The fun of baking a cake is choosing the flavors. A chocolate cake can be simple and rich(simple stories that are compelling). A spiced cake is complex and intense(deep lore heavy stories). Vanilla cake is simple but can be made great with the simple ingredients being fleshed out. I hope I’m making sense. You can have cakes that have mixed flavors(stories that take on a plethora of topics, stories, and world building). These cake can be fantastic but are often hard to do correctly. Think a chocolate cake with cinnamon spice added to it or even a slutty brownie(the cookie often has to be cooked longer than the brownie so you might get an over baked cookie and an undercooked brownie) Hazbin Hotel is a cake that originally had a good amount of flour but it eventually added too much, had too much sugar in the beginning, had too much fat, and not enough stabilizers and they also added wayyyy too many spices and add ins. I hope this all made sense. This video is hilarious btw.
35:46 that is a thing that annoys me, the only reason I know how these characters got into hell is because I just watch a lot of deep dives on the characters. None of them ever tell us what they did to get down, you’d think that’d be important, and so far none of the characters talk about their human days at all which is such wasted potential. Why in a show about dead people trying to get to heaven by redeeming their sins they committed while alive do we hardly talk about the sins they committed while they were alive? That’s so stupid
Someone tried to argue with me that we "already know their bad people, why do we need to know about what they did on Earth." Then why is this show set in Hell? Yes we can see them living in their sins. But is that even what they did on Earth or is it something they started in when they got sent? This is never explained.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 yeah like all of angel’s habits could’ve been started in hell, the average watcher wouldn’t even know that he was part of a MAFIA FAMILY like why does he never talk about that? Why do they never talk about the reasons they committed sins, any trauma, this show could just be a fantasy with a demon/angel hierarchy and it’d basically be the same
@@UltimaThe-mz8ih I always thought Angel's stardom only started in Hell and because of the show not really mentioning what people did in life, some might have thought all of it started in Hell.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 yeah and I don’t even know what sir pentious did to get into hell, seriously I’m curious about this stuff, there is so much wasted potential in this show
@@UltimaThe-mz8ih We don't even know what time period he's actually from because it can easily change. We know he's paranoid and makes crazy inventions, that's it.
Trust me, Viv quote tweeting an SA fetish comic is only a fraction of the reasons she's terrible person. The treatment of Spindlehorse's employees cannot be overstated. That company has 50% turnover rate.
@@cosmicspacething3474 Search up the video "Vivziepop is a Bad Person Part 2" and take a look at the spreadsheet linked in the description. It analyzes the known employees credited from each episode of HB and HH and through computation it turned out that it hate an average turnover rate of 50%. Meaning that a lot of people leave the company in only a year.
1. Vivzie called Kendraws, who worked on the pilot, an abuser to everyone she knew, after they had simply asked for credit for them and their friend, and for her to not use their ideas, which they talked about privatively BEFORE officially working on the pilot. Vivzie also misgendered them on purpose during this. 2. Stopped the ex-voice actor of Cherri Bomb from taking voice requests during HuniCast to collect donations for her late husband's medical bills. He had also been there when she'd found out she wasn't recast. 3. Called the creator of Chicken Nugget, Kyra (Back when they were voicing the Buzzfeed Cupcake character) a fake, man-fearer, victim-wannabe person inconjuction for getting to Buzzfeed. Later Vivzie suspected Kyra of talking behind her back, so she sent one of her friends to basically stalk her, and when that said friend said Kyra said none of the short, Vivzie blacklisted her from ever working with her projects. 4. Stopped Erin Frost from working on Farfetched by telling Ashley (the show runner) that Erin was too mentally unstable "out of concern" for them. 5. Some of the original voice actors couldn't join the self-funded Goodbye song because, in the words of Edward Bosco, "It could jeopardize my role in Helluva Boss". 6. Joked about warning Ashley about Fable (the now director of Lackadaisy) of being annoying, but not doing it only because they were active in a cleanup/animator channel. 7. Allegedly Nicholas Cole Jordan (a background artist on the pilot) and their girlfriend were treated badly while working on the pilot. 8. Vivzie Said that an (undisclosed) agender artist they used to like was just "a female ashamed of their gender." There's a lot of stuff on the Kendraws thing and a recent video too, so def recommend that.
What really irks me about this show is that it doesn't focus on what we were promised. Redemption. instead it focuses on a heaven vs hell plotline, which isn't what I came for, nor wanted. I also must ask, how does Charlie even plan to redeem sinners? using scout exercises? she doesn't even ask any of her patrons about their past or what they think landed them in hell in the first place. Charlie also never hired help, I'm sure they are some demons or sinners that were/are therapists to help with her hotel about redemption. The hotel is basically a rehab center.(Since rehab is a thing in the sister show) If Charlie wants to help sinners get redeem, I would assume the first thing she should do is ask about the sinners pasts so then she can figure out how to help from there, or hire actual therapists to also help out. I don't know if I got my point across well enough, but still TL;DR: Charlie's hotel is basically a rehab center and she should hire actual therapists.
There was an entire episode centered around how Charlie didn't know how to redeem sinners, that was the entire point of 'Welcome to Heaven'. And how do you know there are good therapists in Hell?
@@raydarable The point of of "Welcome to Heaven" was that no one knew how to redeem a sinner or what gets a soul to Heaven, not just Charlie. but still, I'd still think she should've asked about her patrons pasts as humans, to see what she could've done from there to try and get her patrons to change their ways and help them get redeem. also I never said Good therapists to help, I meant more like just people who are trained therapists to help Charlie, or have someone Charlie can ask for advice to help her with the hotel and her patrons. I hope this cleared some things up? I'm not good at laying out my thoughts,
@@breadloaf4675 Charlie only had two patrons, one of which from before the pilot. It's implied she either already knew Angel Dust's backstory or Angel Dust refused to open up. As for Sir Pentious, I agree they should've delved more into that. As for the therapists, there's still no proof any exists in Hell.
@@raydarable There's a comic about how Angel Dust got to the hotel in the first place, but I don't think the regular watcher is going to go out of their way to find it. Charlie doesn't really know Angel Dust in the long run either? She didn't even know what Angel's job was before the events of Masquerade and that's pretty telling on her progress of redeeming sinners. The show never really delves into Angel's backstory either, only die-hards who go looking or knew the character before the show aired would know he was in the mafia along with his family. and Sir Pentious, I don't have any thoughts on him because we don't know much about him either, but they could've shown these two's backstories of what got them into hell, like their backstories, then we can see the progress of these two. for the Therapists, the only reason I bring them up is because Rehab is a thing in helluva boss which implies there are medical assists in and around hell. and for rehab you're going need therapists to help you get over addiction or other things. So it implies there are therapists, and sinners were still people on earth, I'd assume some of them are trained therapists too that Charlie can hire, or they don't want to work as therapists again, which is understandable.
@@breadloaf4675 Angel Dust said what his job was in episode one. I feel like his backstory is being saved for season 2. And weren't the Helluva Boss therapists in a different ring?
Let me say something: Viv should really,and I mean REALLY,have someone,ANYONE who keeps her focused and tells her to rail it back a bit and also tells her to not make animators suffer with ridiculous overdesigning I feel like it's more obvious in the spin-off show Helluva Boss,but Viv has a terrible,terrible bad habit of derailing plots. Helluva Boss' pilot showed the concept of "The Office,but they're assassins from hell" and that was great,but at some point,who knows why,it turned into "the drama of this asshole imp and the owl aristocrat dude" which is... Very wild And I get that feeling,for example at one point I made a fantasy story about defying fate and forging your own path. I got kinda derailed and became obsessed with the romance between a dwarf and elf side characters cause I thought they looked extremely cute together. Difference being that *I ain't making an actual show* and if at one point I did that *I'd have to tone it down and focus on the plot I stablished* Viv lacks this awareness to stay on topic. So that mixed in with a crappy industry that thinks EIGHT episodes is a reasonable lenght for this premise (it's not). Make up for a show with god awful rhythm,lack of focus,and extremely good concepts that get buried under questionable writing
I thought the vees coming off as immature and non threatening was the point😭 alastor on the other hand who's actually supposed to feel threatening rarely curses
Whenever I get into a story, one big thing I tend to care about is just that it makes sense. I can look past pacing being wonky, certain beats feeling contrived, characters having a bit of plot armor to keep things going, etc as long as the story is clicking. I can even forgive characters just "not thinking of something". Like, one of my favorite plots is the Ace Attorney Trilogy, and that story involves physics breaking stunts and parrots testifying in court. It's stupid as hell, but I can suspend my disbelief because it follows the dumb logic it set up. But then theres Hazbin. And for the life of me: the story about Vaggie being an angel drives me insane. They all think angels can't be harmed, yet she is an angel who was harmed. They say angels can only be harmed with angellic weapons, but Vaggie's wings were torn off by bare hands. And Lute's arm was wrecked by rubble. So... what the heck??? Did I miss something? I still had fun watching the show overall, but hiccups like that bug me so much. It just confuses me that details like that make it through the drafts.
@@Gazpachooo1Raphielle (the storyboard artist) drew non-con NSFW art since before they started working for Viv. They made an animatic, which depicts Angel and Valentino’s relationship, and various frames of that animatic are so similar to some in the Poison segment in the actual show. So yeah. That’s disgusting.
I get where you're coming from on this show, because I hate it but I'm also loving finding other people who say how much and why they hate it too. It's bad because it could have been great. I genuinely love many of the concepts and the potential direction of the story/many of the characters - if there was ACTUAL DECENT WRITING behind it. Makes me want to do my own remake of it, redesign all the characters and come up with a script and jokes that aren't complete .
Nah episode 5 and 6 really show this problems in full stride being Charlie has no idea what she is doing and the story bends over backwards to make her right
Literally falling to my knees and punching the ground because there’s so much potential in this show! It could’ve been a Good Place situation where ideas and concepts of morality are discussed. What constitutes “good” and “evil”? The show even sorta starts to touch on it by having the angels not know what gets someone into heaven but then they just fucking drop it right there 😭 combine that with sloppy pacing and horrible dialogue, this show is the literal embodiment of wasted potential.
Something I never see anyone mention is that it feels a bit… contradictory that a show this meanspirited is about redemption? And this isn’t me complaining about the characters in hell being mean spirited, because they should be, but narratively this show seems to really enjoy punching down kinder characters like Pentious and treating SA survivors as fetish material who can’t escape their abuse no matter who they tell. Charlie is meant to be a Disney princess equivalent but she’s selfish, arrogant and has done more harm than good for the cast. Angel Dust was only improved thanks to Husk and Pentious is so flatly written that it feels like he would have turned good if someone patted him on the back.
Finally someone who understands that and doesn't try to protect Charlie that she is nice and misunderstood 😂 god even Rachel Gardner from angels of death which has little problems and trauma is more kind and misunderstood than Charlie princess 😂 Charlie has narcisstic disorder and is horrible judging selfish hypocrite person I can say why
You know, this show did a terrible job of making me "sympathize" with the Sinners. And you know why? Because they didn't give me any reason to think that they're redeeming themselves. Angel never has to face the consequences of the actions that landed him in Hell, his only problem is Valentino and drugs. At no point is Sir Pentius questioned about the fact that he's a weapons manufacturer who profits from wars, no, his only problem is that he behaved like a "cartoon super villain". I don't mind Adam carrying out the Exterminations, in fact, I'm glad to know that, even if it's just for one day, Adam is giving the sinners the punishment they deserve for being the scum of humanity. Aside from the day of the Extermination, Hell doesn't feel like Hell, there are no demons to make the sinners be punished, they have complete freedom to do whatever they want and they actively choose to be sinners and enjoy it. If it weren't for Valentino, Angel seems to enjoy Hell, doing shit and getting away with it. When we get to episode 6, and Emily has the nerve to call the Sinners "innocent souls" I swear I've never wanted to kill a character as much as I did at that moment. I just thought: I don't want the Sinners to go to Heaven, after all, what about the victims of these sinners who are in Heaven? And what's the message? Is it "You can be a shitty person and make other people's lives hell while you're alive without any problem, because when you die, just go to the Hazbin Hotel, cry a little, say how poor you are a victim of circumstances, sing a song and boom, you can go to Heaven without problems." ?
This is easily the dumbest thing I've ever heard first of all You do realize not all sinners are evil right? I honestly don't blame Emily for thinking it was wrong because it definitely was it was not in Sarah's place to decide to kill sinners she had no right to do that not to mention she lied about it from heaven for who knows how long and second of all you don't even know the crimes they committed so calling all of them the scum of humanity is a little bit ridiculous if you ask me the sinners in hell have their own children they have families like hellborns are you saying those demons deserve to Die too? If so why what did they do wrong it's not their fault they were born in hell I'm not saying all the sinners are innocent I'm also not saying all of them are guilty it's not always in black and white sometimes it's in Gray
@@AngelloGomez-nh6cc So prove it to me. Which sinner doesn't deserve to be in Hell? Which sinner is "not so bad"? Which sinner shows genuine regret for his mistakes on Earth? We are in a series whose villain is just pure one-dimensional evil, Heaven can't even give real arguments to prevent Charlie's theory from falling under its own weight. A show that denies Lucifer's mistakes reduces them to simply a "misunderstanding." A show that refuses to show the actions that led sinners to Hell. A show that denies Adam his entire origin because it runs the risk of people sympathizing with his actions. A show that treats Sinners as people who "just made a few mistakes," that denies the consequences of their actions. A show that treats Heaven as wrong when Sinners have never shown in 10,000 years that they were interested in redemption. A show that refuses to create real rules to judge people. A show where the only thing sinners have to do is apologize and solve the problems they have in Hell. Fuck the victims. Fuck what these shits did in life. All that matters is the sinners' victimizing cries. There is no "gray morality," no sinner is confronted about their past on Earth. Sera is wrong and screw it, her point of view doesn't matter. There is no moral discussion here. The series is clearly divided into good guys and bad guys. Should I be mad at Heaven for killing sinners? Why? Sinners kill each other and enjoy doing it. Lucifer is responsible for Hell, but he was a negligent, victim-like coward who preferred to keep making useless ducks. It's very easy to go to Heaven in Hazbin, you can be a shit intentionally your whole life, don't worry! Just go to Charlie's Hotel, sing a song apologizing and ""sacrifice"" yourself and that's it! Now you can live in the same place as innocent people and people who tried hard to be decent human beings. Again, there is no gray morality in this series, Charlie is right, Adam and Lute are wrong, Lucifer is just a misunderstood victim... you call that ""gray morality""? Please don't make me laugh.
@mirzasilva737 you kind of ignored that point about hellborns what about them? Do they deserve to Die to if so why The Exorcist literally kill children sure their children who are demons but they're still children nonetheless and again not all the Sinners are bad this is like saying if a black person was a serial killer this makes every black person a serial killer you don't know most of the Sinners crimes you have no idea what they did or what they do in hell day-to-day you are jumping to conclusions way too fast
I can admit that this show may have its problems but I am also aware that I had fun watching it. There’s a lot of writing issues and the pacing is atrocious and yet I look forward to the second season. I wanna see them improve
If you don't like something dosen't watch it. There's more than one show in the world to watch and viv not going to change anything because you don't like it seeing that she got four more seasons to nake and alot of people wanting to see them
@Gazpachooo1 No dude, your advice seriously changed my perspective. As someone who wants to release an inde show in the future, this vid helped an embarrassing amount
@@Gazpachooo1 You still gave some solid advice actually for character designing. I myself do a bit of character designing every once in a while and you talking about what makes a design good or bad are actually some big talking points about character design.
IMPORTANT Vizie also refused to let the pilot voiceactors use their own voices for a charity stream for one of the voiceactor's partner who was battling cancer He died
@Gazpachooo1 If you look up a video titled "Vixiepop is a bad person" it goes deeper into it It sounds far fetched, but actually happened. The creator of the video also calculated that Vizie has a 50% turnover rate PER EPISODE compared to 25-50% average YEARLY turnover rate for animation
I am Catholic, I was drilled in my head at a young age that foundation of your religion is key. The issue with HH is there is no foundation. For example, as a Catholic, sex before marriage is a sin. There are many reasons for this but the foundation reason is because we are created in God’s image and the purpose of sex is sacrifice oneself for the other which could produce life. Since God is life then that is good. Sex out of marriage reduces the persons participating in it to sexual objects instead of sexual beings, because they don’t want to sacrifice for creating a life but just misuse it for purely pleasure. A foundation of Catholicism is saying yes to life. Hazbin doesn’t have a foundation. Why is it this a sin? Why is it bad? I am trying not bring my religion into this but if the show is about redemption then it needs to know what needs to be redeemed.
@@MrSophire That makes sense but I was mostly referring to how bland the characters got. Like instead of them being fun and mysterious they are now goofy and annoying. But you had a really good analysis.
This show has literally made me rethinking everything, specifically how to conduct my stories and characters. And for that, I hate it and all it stands for. Mostly because I realised I was doing the same thing due to loving my characters too much.
Little rant thing :pp - When it comes to Vox, I love him. He stands out from the rest of the cast bc he isn't just different shades of red, and his silhouette (specifically his TV head). HOWEVER, he really was wasted potential. If I can remember correctly, his biggest "threat" to the main cast is that at some point in the past, he almost defeated Alastor (which seems pretty easy to do ngl) and almost got him to join the Vees. It would've been cool to see his take on a more active role in the final episode in some way. - Alastor doesn't really seem that strong bc the majority of the people he attacks/kills are weak demons like the loan sharks. He was never shown actually DEFEATING someone stronger, like the overlords that he was IMPLIED to kill (w/o ever actually showing how he did it, great job at showing character strength Viv!!). That's why it feels like he's so weak, he mostly kills much weaker demons (that even Angel kills in ep 4) and he gets his ass handed to him by Adam without landing any major damage on the dude. - Angel is flawed, and I could see where they were trying to go with him, but it's horribly executed bc they don't show Angel facing any actual consequences. It sucks more with his trauma bc it feels like they're defending him by saying "Hes traumatized!! Hes a traumatized lil baby who can do no harm!!". Which, really sucks to see bc trauma like Angel's shouldn't be used as a justification, but rather explanation. For example, a way Angel should've been characterized is: Angel Dust is hypersexual due to his trauma of working as a "homosexual adult worker", and due to the industry and Valentino never asking for Angel's consent on "fun time", Angel makes people uncomfortable around him by how overwhelmingly sexual he is. His trauma clearly affects him, and it shaped him into who he is today, but it doesn't justify his actions in the first half of the series.
YESSS!! It warms my heart to see that even the people who aren’t fans of the show can’t help but love Sir Pentious, and (rightfully) refer to him as the best character.
I think people would be a lot more forgiving of the character designs if it was actually explained in the first season that the demons character designs are based on how they died and lived. It honestly makes no sense as to why that wasn't shown in any way.
You mostly will have to go to old Viv streams because I’m pretty sure she talks about the characters and how they died, but that’s not a good thing because the show should be the one to explain that. Not just from old livestreams Viv did.
35:48 believe it or not...mafia. It would be cool if the series actually poked on this fact... Or explored ANYTHING about the characters' lives before eternal damnation. They say the word "redemption" every episode. However, I have a suspicion that Vivi doesn't REALLY understand the meaning of that word.
Loved the vid! Highly wish Viv stayed w/ the concept ideas for both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. For HH redeeming sinners should have been top priority. Angels could have still been antagonists as they do not believe sinners can be redeemed. The way they were presented in the unreleased storyboards felt so much better than the final version! The angel of death pitied charlie and wished he could help but sadly the angels could not do anything to help her. It was never "Angels are EVIL" . that sudden tone change made me sick cause what normal person looks at the lore of angels and are like "ah yes they swear and love to kill things". If i could summarize HH it would be "Mean Spirited" with great songs(who's pacing gets ruined with random slurs thrown in) and lost potential 4:00 during the beginning of Hazbin I felt uncomfortable with Angel dust, the pilot version had personality other than just horny. This one was giving "seggzual harrasment is quirky" vibes 6:50 massive respect for using the breast chicken as an example (RIP the one that got a ridiculous amount of salt) 8:12 exactly what i've been sayingg 13:45 I agree. I thought Alastor looked goofy like that. Maybe if the lighting was darker w/flickering lights or if they stayed with the pilot design or SHOWN the voodoo symbols floating around him w/ some glitching could have helped 16:56 literally me when Episode 1 began! I LOVED the pilot and seeing the completely different tone and atmosphere made me cringe every second! I had to rewatch the pilot to wash the bad taste off myself and I felt upset over what they've done to the series. 21:46 I agree. I used to admire her but everything she's done lately is just mind boggling 27:18 every viv character design ever 27:29 got me questioning why they even gave him wings in the first place 27:58 his old designs did justice on the spider qualities and as time went on it was completey forgotten besides some of his bed sheets and room patterns having webs 28:12 poor animators 28:46 only knew she was a goat because some fanart improved her design making it have more goat qualities and the post said she was supposed to be a goat 29:10 EXACTLY! I think it was done on purpose however with Viv making the seven deadly sins being circus themed (luci being the ring master if I remember) 30:15 i prefered her pilot design. This one looks more akward with big hands imo 31:38 Viv designed Alastor in Middle School... 33:31 funnily enough a year before this show released I remember someone used that line as a joke and said "hey guys imagine if Lucifer said that" so im 99% convinced that line was stolen from a random user LOL 35:50 Angel was part of the Mafia. His old design was more straightforward with this . Would have never known some of that lore if it wasn't for the perceptive comments below vivs older vids 35:57 Pentious created weapons of war or smth. Crazy that for the one to get redeemed we never explored his backstory 36:07 THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!!! Would have helped if they hinted that the exterminators TARGET these sinners or prioritize in taking them out rather than just random civilians or less worse ones like Angel Dust. Instead viv choose to "make hell" for her people. Which she stated in a tweet. 36:30 SHE COULD HAVE USED PENTIOUS AS AN EXAMPLE AUGHH 36:52 That child was from cannibal town which means he ate others..my second guess would be that he's a hell born but sinners cannot reproduce and hellborn aren't targetted by Exterminators. (NOOOO the rest of the time stamps got deleted! Now I have to write it from the less incorrect time stamps) 41:05 Viv could never this write peak 45:02 Alastor is literally a ripoff of sans atp 46:43 missed this energy of his so much 47:14 something to point out is how it was funny not because it was trying so hard to be so BUT because Camila didn't act out of character to throw in a swear word here and there. She acted in character and as a result the viewer found it funny 49:52 they did Pentious so dirty! Shouldve let him fire that lazer and have adam survive 51:34 literally what ive been sayingg 53:33 I hate what Helluva Boss has become. Just a cringe sloppy mess. Imo should have stuck with the pilot concept rather than this. There was a young lady whom I disliked but was starting to warm up too. She was an awful "new" friend to my old friend and basically got my friend to act in a way she normally wouldn't. We were sort of getting along until she brought up this HB Short and saying how it was "so good" and how they were calling out the "toxic fanbase". I had to HOLD back my laughter because this girl in the short was LITERALLY A SELF INSERT OF VIVZIEPOP. She CREATED an episode to mock the people acting like this while SHE LITERALLY DOES THE SAME. Needless to same the lady and me did NOT become friends. 53:37 I wholeheartedly agree. This is EXACTLY how ive been feeling about the show. I have a friend who has been in a toxic relationship and what he described was not far off from how I felt about HH. It's a bad show and not something good to watch BUT you just can't stop coming to it. Maybe it's the art style, the music. The colors. Who knows. All I know is the more people come back to it the worse the quality will get
About the character designs, did you know there's not one, but two arthropod-themed characters in the main cast? If you guessed Vaggie, you're correct! And if you guessed MOTH, you're also correct!
I think the show's biggest problem is that the first three episodes (not counting the pilot) were the three weakest episodes. Episodes four onwards were great, but the first three episodes didn't do enough to introduce the characters/plot-lines/lore. Also, it felt like there were supposed to be more episodes before the season one finale, but it felt like we ended up with an abridged highlight package instead.
I love the show, I know it’s flawed and not very appealing to a lot of people, but as long as the criticism is fair I can 100% get behind it. Great review!
I didn’t even know Charlie was supposed to be a goat, I thought she was just a typical demon. She looks NOTHING like a goat, they couldn’t even give her a little tail or goat legs?
Hazbin Hotel's plot follows two different things: 1. can a soul sent to hell be redeemed, and 2. a story about corrupt angels vs demons. Hazbin Hotel has eight twenty-minute episodes. In this time I think it is feasable to write a compelling character-driven story about the redeemabilty of souls, or to write a compelling plot-driven story about hell vs heaven. You cannot do both. Sure, if they had a greater amount of time they could be able to do a good job at both of these concepts in one show, but again. Hazbin Hotel has under three hours of time.
44:37 I looked up when Gravity Falls ended and it said on Google February 15, 2016 it feels like the show only ended recently but it’s actually been like 8 years ago f$&k realizing how old we are hurts
I just want to point out that the pilot's events are cannon, just not the nitty gritty details of character interactions. So fun! Alastor's original character was more of a goofy character with a 'dark side' and ended in the final being a "dark" character with minimal goof. There is a reason people liked Alastor's original personality than the one that came to be.
That's a good point on Adam's swearing. I agree that this show overswears but many people tend to view Adam as the prime example, but I saw him as the only one getting a pass in this regard since it's who he is.
19:59 He acts like this because he’s being hypersexual. Hypersexuality is a trauma response from people who suffer from repeated sexuaI abuse. Because of his recurring sexuaI trauma, he believes his only worth is through sex or sex-related things, so sex becomes his whole thing. It’s a facade, too-he acts that way because it’s easier to see people reject a caricature of himself than it is to see them reject the real him. (A therapist explained it better) I’m not saying his character is written well, or even that this part of his character is written well. But I am saying that there is a reason he acts that way.
Hypersexual people don’t behave like this and it’s a massively common misconception that hypersexual sexually harass people for fun. It’s also worth pointing that Viv writes a lot of her queer men like this. Blitzo, Moxxie, Fizzarolli, Stolas (season 1 Stolas anyways), etc are all sex obsessed and only Fizzarolli hasn’t sexually harassed another man
@@Birdyboys ah I forgot about the sexual harassment. I wasn’t thinking about that part, I was talking about how he objectifies himself and makes sex his whole personality. I guess the harassment is another reason that this part of his character is not written well. And Viv does write a lot of her characters like this yeah. But in the story, it’s almost explicitly stated that Angel acts this way as a coping mechanism
35:50 So, this issue about why is everyone in hell, is due to the fact that Vivziepop made a show that only her closest followers can truly understand. Or people like me who go out to seek the answers. I won't get into to much history about Viv's original story, Zoophobia, but a lot of the characters come from it or were inspired by it. The current understood canon about why Angel is in hell is that he was the son of a Mafioso and a coke addict. His spider appearance is due to the "web of lies" or something. Of course this being a made by Vivziepop work, we will likely never see the characters actually have to confront their actions on earth so you can also entirely through this out. If anymore lore or backstory of how this project ended up being such a mess is needed, I am happy to answer.
I thought just from watching the show it was obvious why most were in Hell: Angel Dust due to drug abuse Husk due to alcoholism and gambling addiction Alastor due to being a cannibal voodoo artist Niffty for obvious reasons Charlie for being born there and Vaggie was the only one the plot needed to answer.
@@kyarabarrion4523 So a lot comes from old streams. TH-cam is finicky around links but there are wiki's out there over Zoophobia, the Hazbin development process, and her controversies. You can also dig up some stream archives.If you need anything more or still need help on a piece, ask, I'll answer.
@@raydarable That's the problem. Vivziepop changes her mind on certain character aspects. Coke didn't exist in the 1940s, also Angel should also be in hell not just for drugs, but for the people he's killed. So, the focus being on his sex and drug addiction doesn't actually address what he did in life, the people he wronged, or how he actively refused to change. We only get the issue he developed in hell, and one half of what he did in life.
This show… Is like a giant identity crisis. It doesn’t know what it wants to be or do. The first season is paced bad, and everyone says it’s the episode count, and I get that it’s a small season… However, even *if* they had let’s say 17 episodes, that would still not be big enough for the fat stacks of ideas and concepts they tried to ram into a first season. This show, is clearly Viv’s baby. She made it, grew up with it, loved to draw and make up stories so it was perfect. She loved it and then made it into a series… And honestly, I feel like behind the scenes… Nobody knows what’s gonna happen to the show, time line wise. Like, they got *no* idea what the resolution is to this show, which is kinda annoying considering the huge fact that this show has been rattling around in Viv’s head since 2015.
GOOOOOODDDD banging my head against the wall because Vox is my absolute favorite character BUT he was honestly just a waste of space in Season 1, along with the other Vees (except for Valentino, specifically cuz of Angel Dust) Vivzie should have just introduced Vox in season 2!!! 😭
For all your questions about husks character design- he was designed by a child that’s litterally it he was designed with zero personality or story in mind other then to be angels partner, that’s it there is no logic there is no concept art he’s just that
As someone who did enjoy the pilot for HH and didn't really like the first season: it just felt too fast paced for me, and the humor focused a lot more on the parts I didn't like from the pilots vs the parts I did. I do enjoy the songs tho, which were one of my favorite parts of the pilot, so I got what I wanted out of it :]
Some of the designs actually do make sense. Granted, if you have outside information, but they do make sense. As an example, why is Alistair so skinny? Because he's based on the windago. A cannibalistic deer spirit. Why is husk so colorful and all over the place because he's an addictive gambler that ran casinos, known as the gambling overlord. Charlie doesn't tend to look like a goat because she covers up most of the features and hides them Trying to look more human because she wants to look less threatening to sinners. Angel, I still haven't figured out. He's just kind of a furry version of his normal human self with extra arms. Definitely something that would have helped out a lot there is letting him keep that big fuzzy tail thing he had during his song.
@@DrawciaGleam02 i'll give you that but he is still not very spider. I just thought he was a 4 arm furry until poison when he had that big poofy tail attachment then i saw the spider idea.
I liked Charlie's pilot outfit, but man I still don't like her new clothing in the show proper. The shoulder pads and the bottom of her untucked undershirt poking out looks stupid. The undershirt poking out looks even more stupid when you find out that it's tucked in when she's not wearing the jacket. Also it's funny how you can also tell when a character cussing is supposed to be a "oh shit" moment for viewers, but it doesn't work since they cuss all the time anyway lol.
I think if it was longer instead of 8 episodes that are barely 20 minutes it would have been a lot better. The episodes aren’t even 40 minutes to an hour like most modern shows, instead it is horribly rushed. Maybe another ten episodes, so we can truly see how powerful yet detailed Alastor is, seeing Angel Dust develop and actually have Vox do something. Then Helluva boss refuses to change its characters so even when it has a good episode it is ruined by the fact they are the exact same the following episode. I have watched both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel hoping it “gets good” when I know it won’t beyond what it does. Especially since I do like the ideas behind both shows. I doubt Hazbin hotel will get better because it won’t be given more episodes, and again Vivzie can not right to save her life.
You should watch the pilot it is honestly much better than the show I think you would like it over this and specifically pilot Alistair I think you might enjoy more
I agree with many of your points as a vid. That said, as an artist, i would like to talk more on what makes a good character design. You're true on the point that a good character design should be able to give insight what the character is about, so making a countertuitive design is not. Personally, i disagree on that. A countertuitive design can be done right as a storytelling device, particularly one for plot twists. There's quite a few examples to pull from- Nui from Kill la Kill, and Pride from FMA. I would like to hear your thoughts on character design used as plot twist device
@@Austin-zc9gpactually if the rumors are true (and I could be wrong) it could have been Viv’s fault. The show could have had 10-12 episodes but it was cut down to 8 due to the expensive voice cast. I can’t imagine Katie killjoy was originally going to be voiced by Brandon rogers, feels like a last minute decision
@@Flugel_Halogen oh I just figured the people in cannibal town were cannibals when they were alive would have been great if they explained that in the show huh?
As a “Hazbin” connoisseur, I like the show. But I can’t deny the problems. The animation, music, and sometimes the characters are great and fine for the most part but the main problem for me is 2 things, 1: the jokes and 2: A little two fast. I feel like if your trying to make a comedy show or just jokes in general, you should at least range out your jokes more and I feel like the show could do with more episodes to better get a feel for these characters. Other than that, I like the show. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
@@Fluffycakez5 I only wasted one for the bit where I poured salt over one of them don't worry. I don't like wasting food so I tried to minimize that bit lol
I love the concept of the story about redemption of sinners but where it loses me is the tone and characters. The show makes it seem like the people in hell are innocent when that can’t be further from the truth. People like Angel as a character but he was in the mafia dude was not innocent. Also Charlie as a character shouldn’t be the main character because it takes away from the whole point of the show you know, redemption of sinners. Also the jaded opinions of heaven kills it like what’s the point in being better when the people upstairs are just as bad? Also don’t like the comedy like, swears and sex jokes aren’t funny if that’s all you can say!!!!!!!
as much as i dont like amgel dust, i suspect the reason why angel dust acts this way and isnt reserved is because i assume his hypers/vxuality is just a trauma response, he doesn’t know who he is outside of his p;vrn persona.. which is sad :( but its just.. they overdo it, yknow? it feels like a exaggerated mockery of h;vypers;xvuality
hazbin hotels feels like a shitty the good place. redemption of sinners, proving they can get into heaven? check. a demon (eventually, in tgp's case,) fighting for human souls? check. heaven discriminating the sinners? check. only the good place does it 100x better and shows the change and redemption of all its main characters.
For what Angel Dust did and the others to make into the hell? You need an enormous amount of para text or outside information given on Vizzie social media and livestreams to get their backstory. Which I hate as this should be in the show or at least shown or mentioned or implied. Alastor is a cannibal and a serial killer on earth who supposedly got shot through the head mistaken for a deer. He's also from Louisiana and uses voodoo. That's why he's has deer motifs like ears and horns sometimes, along with stitches on his mouth and dot on his head. I don't know where the radio motif came from at all. Maybe because hes from the 40s? Angel dust is a spider because he's from a mafia family while on Earth and his spider form shows his family "web" of crime or something. So yes Angel dust can be said to be a murderer or criminal while on Earth, not just a gay porn star. Sir pentious I'm not sure anything is shared about him. Vaggie i heard was originally supposed to be a trafficked woman or something like she was a hooker(don't qoute me too hard from this pls, it could possibly be headcanon backstory floating around) who offed herself as she hated her situation. But it got changed to her being a fallen exorcist.
I looked to subscribe and I realized im already subscribed, uuh i genuinely dont remember doing that but this video seems pretty damn cool so im ok that so thank you with whatever entity decided i shoudl subscribe
I haven’t finished this video, but I definitely think you should’ve started with the pilot rather than episode 1. Honestly imo the pilot is the best episode in the show and the rest of it doesn’t really grasp what was set up in the pilot very well, and the show could’ve been really good if it kept up the quality of the pilot tbh (in my personal opinion)
White Boy Jumpscare Tracker Part II: Halloween Edition. Thought it was dumb but funny last time, so yes I'm doing it again. lol 1. 1:32 That's four seconds and we hadn't even gotten to the animation yet, that is a record for hating something on first watch. 1.5 3:04 Only an arm, so I'll count it as half a point. Though I feel the emotion well- 2. 3:37 Very quick and kinda surprising he ran out of characters to like this quickly, but will hear him out. 3. 4:55 Expands slightly, which fair review of characters for episode 1. 4. 6:38 White Boy Jumpscare introduces the new analogy-based cooking show: The Kitchen Comparison. 5. 13:40 To be fair on this point, that was a great and digestible comparison to explain your reasoning, and that pun was not intentional. 6. 14:55 Honestly that's very memetic, keep that line in the bag. 7. 16:51 "You see. The joke. Is sex." I don't know why, just spelled out like that just feels funnier than the show's actual punchline. Maybe it's the delivery- 8. 17:52 ...Okay the White Boy Jumpscare actually jumpscared me here. 9. 18:27 The audio on that was a bit loud, did not feel great- 10. 32:28 Thank you for the reminder that Vivziepop is not that good a person. 11. 37:06 The White Boy Jumpscare has scared himself with his potential change of heart. 12. 43:57 Really should've fit that hood better- 13. 48:07 The look of shouting into your hoodie's hood is honestly a mood. 14. 51:26 **Yes.** Overall, fairly explained why you didn't enjoy the show but also why you don't outright hate it. Hopefully though you might return for season 2. Also 40:56, "He's the main protagonist" I'm not sure if that is you showing your inner Bill Cipher fanboy or a genuine slip up. lol
They could've cut out every f bomb and used that time for character development Edit: Also, about Vox being a bad villain, I think the writers weren't trying to make Vox intimidating? To me he seems like a dumbass with an ego and thats why I like him so much
46:00 alastor actually does show expressions. You just have to pay attention to his eyes and body language. Youre too focused on the smile, meaning his trick actually works on you. You cant see past the smile. Its like in Ouran Highschool Host Club, the twins pretend to be incestuous lovers to make girls swoon over them, but in reality they think girls who do that are losers. Yet the fandom in real life actually has people who ship them and find the idea of that hot. They're literally the target of their facade. Youre basically one of the twin shippers in regards to you never seeing Alastors hidden emotions.
I'm 13 minutes into this video and it's becoming increasingly clear that, Vox's being the butt of the joke in his own song being the POINT of the song, seems to have flown entirely over your scope of comprehension? Criticizing the premise and execution of the song and episode, by saying that they failed at making him intimidating by making him a complete joke, when the point and intention was to make him into a joke and not to make him intimidating... is just ironic and laughably bad critique. You're basically saying "they did a great job at what they were trying to do with the character, I just didn't understand it at the slightest" 💀 Just because you have preconceived notions of what a villain song is "supposed to be". For one, this isn't just a villain song, it's a duet between two characters, which one of them started PURELY out of insecurity. It's supposed to convey the relationship the two have and where they stand with eachother. And that's Vox being overly invested and Alastor egging him on until he freaks the fuck out. For two, Vox's "villain song" portraying him as an insecure idiot who is way to obsessed with being better than Alastor, and not portraying him as an intimidating threat to Alastor, isn't a poor execution of a villain song. The song is conveying what KIND of antagonistic relationship Vox has with Alastor. He doesn't have to be intimidating if that's not what they are trying to convey. I mean you'd think this would be easily understood.
A note on the V’s (Vox, Val, Velvette) and swearing: We’re not supposed to take them seriously.. that’s why Alastor rarely curses because we’re supposed to subconsciously understand he’s the more dangerous between the two. On Angel Dust: Victims of sexual assault sometimes become hyper-sexual and don’t think they’re worth anything more than what their body can give others. They make jokes and act in a way that tends to make other people uncomfortable.
GAZPACHO1 I GOT SOMETHING TO TELL MY BEST FRIEND COWORKER SHE IS A S.A. SURVIVORS THIS EPISODE MAKE ME SOO VERY ANGRY 😠 THAT SHOW NOT FUNNY HOW DARE PUT THAT BOTH EPISODE VIVZIEPOP IS GETTING AWAY.
@@VoxiconVoxicola WHAT ARE YOU SAYING MY FRIEND SHE WATCH THAT BOTH SHOW HAZBIN HOTEL AND HELLUVA BOSS EPISODE SHE IS CRYING😢 IN PAIN AND TRAUMATIZE IT'S GIVE HER BAD MEMORIES I HUGGING HER TO CALM HER DOWN.
baxk in high school i watched he 1st ep of Hellavaboss and i didnt rly like it. it didnt pique my interest much and i couldnt even be bothered to watch ep 2. and im normally to type of person so see sloppily made shows w so much potential and watch them bc ik the fandom can do the show good w theie fanworls and rewrites(cough cough, Danny Phantom. cough cough, MLB. tho not so much anymore for that last one as i got far too tired of the shitty plot points durin S2 💀) but i couldnt get into Hellavaboss so i never tried w Hazbin Hotel as i saw ppl sayin it gives off the same vibes(i also wasnt much of a fan of alotve the character designs. didnt kno y at the time but nos that u said its far too bisy that was exactly y XD)
Hazbin felt too rushed, everything just kinda happens and the characters don't really grow or change. That's where Helluva Boss differs. The characters are given time to develop and each episode can vastly impact the story moving forward. Brandon Rogers definitely carried the writing.
Eck! I mistook Gaspacho for a Team Magma Grunt, which would have been absolutely amazing, since many of us wanted to be one as kids growing up, but Team Magma is absolutely forgotten nowdays, no one even thinks about it anymore, hell! I havnt thougth avout them since years, back in ORAS and wven then where they brought back from completely forgotten. it would unironically be so original to bring back team Magma out of the olden days, just for nostalgia's sake. Like if you agree with me!
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i think my problem with hazbin hotel is that it's trying to be a cosmic political drama ending in an epic final battle when the pilot pitched a more episodic show about the question of if bad people can redeem themselves and honestly that show sounds a lot more interesting to me, i'm not even saying the heaven v hell conflict couldn't be intesresting, just that as someone who watched the pilot when it came out that this show just isn't the premise that was advertised to people all those years back
honestly i'm still in shock alistor isn't even the main antagonist despite how much set up there was for that in the pilot
At least Helluva Boss knows that it just wants to be some romantic drama now.
Yeah, I feel like if they should've started off with a more episodic season one of the characters doing a bunch of excises to try and get better, then the revel that happens in episode 1 could happen at the end of the season. Then they could through the whole "heaven is corrupted" storyline with the big finale, after we've already had a season to grow attached to the characters and could see them wanting to protect the hotel.
@@TheUnmitigatedDawnwell Helluva Boss, at least the pilot, advertised itself as a startup mercenary/assassin group. Their premise was that they go up to earth and kill humans, for the half of season 1 and most of season 2, they don’t do that.
Yes it tried to be epic
@@kaykay8855went from imps in hell working as assassins and killing humans on earth for money to the stolitz show😞
The fact that Viv didn’t even write the pilot and the first ep of the show, it was her friend 😭😭
Plus, the first episodes were the ones that Viviane Medrano had the most hand in. So, the worst episodes-
Take'er out of the team, then the second season will be great.
Is that why it sucked so much? (It’s not bad, just not my favorite)
i thought the first episode was entirely written by viv
No, they just worked on additional writing for the script. They were credited as such.
source ,,trust me bro'' right
Alastor is probably the most fumbled character in the show. He went from the pilot where he was charming, funny, had that amazing voice and sound effects that mimic 1930s radio entertainment, an aesthetically appealing design, and of course, the unnerving mystery behind his intentions.
In the show, they watered down that personality to basically just "oOoh he's EVIL, check out how mysterious and EVIL he is"
..not to mention the horrible shift in color scheme. PINK DOES NOT SUIT HIM, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?!
Alastor got BODIED. He went from a southern manners manipulator to a cringe Twitter yassqueen. The Radioapple ship makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
Pink AND the white line on his jacket that by color and luminosity theory makes you capture your attention in the bright color (white again) and not look at him in the face. Also, there is no white anywhere else in his design, so it's taken out of nowhere :b
“Alastor always smiles so nobody knows what he’s thinking”
Alastor: constantly explains his motives and plans
Bravo Viv you’ve done it again
He doesn't ever explain his motive or plan. At best he hints at it in the very last song of the series. You're delusional
Husk should’ve had a beer gut
Definitely, he should had been CHONKY, because cats are usually Chonky and I call that a missed opportunity
@@Fluffycakez5 and also because he seems way older than the rest of the cast + he doesn't seem like the kind of person who cares much about their own health or looks even.
@@iwantedtobethatanomaly2270 it's funny cuz he's actually one of the youngest, I believ he died in the 70's or 80's while Angel died in the 40's, Nifty in the 50's i believe, and Alastor in the 1920's
@@manuba_He seems to have died the most recently of the main cast(so the newest to hell), but Angel was born in the 1910s, Husk in the 1910s/1900s, Alastor in the 1900s/1890s, and Sir Pentious was was born in the mid 19th century?? Nifty was born the latest(in the 1930s) and is the youngest. But Husk is the “Oldest” in that he was alive on earth the longest.
If that makes sense?
@SlimeMcfly yeah he died the oldest but does that really mean anything? their decades in hell still count, sure they don't physically age but they still accumulate life experience which should make a difference in their relationships for sure, unfortunately like a lot of the backstory info from these characters, it's not really considered in their writing
Funny you mention the salt thing. As an artist I have my own hyper fixations and am currently writing a comic.
I like to think of writing a story as baking a cake. What are the main components of cake? Flour, sugar, fat, stabilizer(eggs or seeds). Flour is the main story, sugar is the characters(too much is too sweet, too many characters are overwhelming) fat is lore(a little is okay but too much can overpower) and the stabilizer is the themes i guess.
The fun of baking a cake is choosing the flavors. A chocolate cake can be simple and rich(simple stories that are compelling). A spiced cake is complex and intense(deep lore heavy stories). Vanilla cake is simple but can be made great with the simple ingredients being fleshed out.
I hope I’m making sense. You can have cakes that have mixed flavors(stories that take on a plethora of topics, stories, and world building). These cake can be fantastic but are often hard to do correctly. Think a chocolate cake with cinnamon spice added to it or even a slutty brownie(the cookie often has to be cooked longer than the brownie so you might get an over baked cookie and an undercooked brownie)
Hazbin Hotel is a cake that originally had a good amount of flour but it eventually added too much, had too much sugar in the beginning, had too much fat, and not enough stabilizers and they also added wayyyy too many spices and add ins.
I hope this all made sense. This video is hilarious btw.
@@JitterJatter I feel like I'm autistic enough to comprehend all of that lol. Beautiful analogy I guarantee I'm not stealing it definitely
@@Gazpachooo1 can’t wait to see the cake analogy next video “Helluva Booty”
I agree with it, chef
This made me really crave cake 🥺
I shall look for one while savoring how good and satisfying your analogy is-
@@Gazpachooo1Oh, thanks for validating my autism bro.
35:46 that is a thing that annoys me, the only reason I know how these characters got into hell is because I just watch a lot of deep dives on the characters. None of them ever tell us what they did to get down, you’d think that’d be important, and so far none of the characters talk about their human days at all which is such wasted potential. Why in a show about dead people trying to get to heaven by redeeming their sins they committed while alive do we hardly talk about the sins they committed while they were alive? That’s so stupid
Someone tried to argue with me that we "already know their bad people, why do we need to know about what they did on Earth." Then why is this show set in Hell? Yes we can see them living in their sins. But is that even what they did on Earth or is it something they started in when they got sent? This is never explained.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 yeah like all of angel’s habits could’ve been started in hell, the average watcher wouldn’t even know that he was part of a MAFIA FAMILY like why does he never talk about that? Why do they never talk about the reasons they committed sins, any trauma, this show could just be a fantasy with a demon/angel hierarchy and it’d basically be the same
@@UltimaThe-mz8ih I always thought Angel's stardom only started in Hell and because of the show not really mentioning what people did in life, some might have thought all of it started in Hell.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 yeah and I don’t even know what sir pentious did to get into hell, seriously I’m curious about this stuff, there is so much wasted potential in this show
@@UltimaThe-mz8ih We don't even know what time period he's actually from because it can easily change. We know he's paranoid and makes crazy inventions, that's it.
Trust me, Viv quote tweeting an SA fetish comic is only a fraction of the reasons she's terrible person. The treatment of Spindlehorse's employees cannot be overstated. That company has 50% turnover rate.
W H A T
@@cosmicspacething3474 Search up the video "Vivziepop is a Bad Person Part 2" and take a look at the spreadsheet linked in the description. It analyzes the known employees credited from each episode of HB and HH and through computation it turned out that it hate an average turnover rate of 50%. Meaning that a lot of people leave the company in only a year.
1. Vivzie called Kendraws, who worked on the pilot, an abuser to everyone she knew, after they had simply asked for credit for them and their friend, and for her to not use their ideas, which they talked about privatively BEFORE officially working on the pilot. Vivzie also misgendered them on purpose during this.
2. Stopped the ex-voice actor of Cherri Bomb from taking voice requests during HuniCast to collect donations for her late husband's medical bills. He had also been there when she'd found out she wasn't recast.
3. Called the creator of Chicken Nugget, Kyra (Back when they were voicing the Buzzfeed Cupcake character) a fake, man-fearer, victim-wannabe person inconjuction for getting to Buzzfeed. Later Vivzie suspected Kyra of talking behind her back, so she sent one of her friends to basically stalk her, and when that said friend said Kyra said none of the short, Vivzie blacklisted her from ever working with her projects.
4. Stopped Erin Frost from working on Farfetched by telling Ashley (the show runner) that Erin was too mentally unstable "out of concern" for them.
5. Some of the original voice actors couldn't join the self-funded Goodbye song because, in the words of Edward Bosco, "It could jeopardize my role in Helluva Boss".
6. Joked about warning Ashley about Fable (the now director of Lackadaisy) of being annoying, but not doing it only because they were active in a cleanup/animator channel.
7. Allegedly Nicholas Cole Jordan (a background artist on the pilot) and their girlfriend were treated badly while working on the pilot.
8. Vivzie Said that an (undisclosed) agender artist they used to like was just "a female ashamed of their gender."
There's a lot of stuff on the Kendraws thing and a recent video too, so def recommend that.
@@MillyKKitty oh.
@@MillyKKitty No wonder she likes gays so much.
What really irks me about this show is that it doesn't focus on what we were promised. Redemption. instead it focuses on a heaven vs hell plotline, which isn't what I came for, nor wanted. I also must ask, how does Charlie even plan to redeem sinners? using scout exercises? she doesn't even ask any of her patrons about their past or what they think landed them in hell in the first place.
Charlie also never hired help, I'm sure they are some demons or sinners that were/are therapists to help with her hotel about redemption. The hotel is basically a rehab center.(Since rehab is a thing in the sister show) If Charlie wants to help sinners get redeem, I would assume the first thing she should do is ask about the sinners pasts so then she can figure out how to help from there, or hire actual therapists to also help out.
I don't know if I got my point across well enough, but still
TL;DR: Charlie's hotel is basically a rehab center and she should hire actual therapists.
There was an entire episode centered around how Charlie didn't know how to redeem sinners, that was the entire point of 'Welcome to Heaven'.
And how do you know there are good therapists in Hell?
@@raydarable The point of of "Welcome to Heaven" was that no one knew how to redeem a sinner or what gets a soul to Heaven, not just Charlie. but still, I'd still think she should've asked about her patrons pasts as humans, to see what she could've done from there to try and get her patrons to change their ways and help them get redeem.
also I never said Good therapists to help, I meant more like just people who are trained therapists to help Charlie, or have someone Charlie can ask for advice to help her with the hotel and her patrons.
I hope this cleared some things up? I'm not good at laying out my thoughts,
@@breadloaf4675 Charlie only had two patrons, one of which from before the pilot. It's implied she either already knew Angel Dust's backstory or Angel Dust refused to open up.
As for Sir Pentious, I agree they should've delved more into that.
As for the therapists, there's still no proof any exists in Hell.
@@raydarable There's a comic about how Angel Dust got to the hotel in the first place, but I don't think the regular watcher is going to go out of their way to find it. Charlie doesn't really know Angel Dust in the long run either? She didn't even know what Angel's job was before the events of Masquerade and that's pretty telling on her progress of redeeming sinners. The show never really delves into Angel's backstory either, only die-hards who go looking or knew the character before the show aired would know he was in the mafia along with his family.
and Sir Pentious, I don't have any thoughts on him because we don't know much about him either, but they could've shown these two's backstories of what got them into hell, like their backstories, then we can see the progress of these two.
for the Therapists, the only reason I bring them up is because Rehab is a thing in helluva boss which implies there are medical assists in and around hell. and for rehab you're going need therapists to help you get over addiction or other things. So it implies there are therapists, and sinners were still people on earth, I'd assume some of them are trained therapists too that Charlie can hire, or they don't want to work as therapists again, which is understandable.
@@breadloaf4675 Angel Dust said what his job was in episode one.
I feel like his backstory is being saved for season 2.
And weren't the Helluva Boss therapists in a different ring?
Guys, just because you swear, have ses/sex jokes, and lots violence doesn't make your adult show mature
It also has the chance to ruin your writting
Let me say something: Viv should really,and I mean REALLY,have someone,ANYONE who keeps her focused and tells her to rail it back a bit and also tells her to not make animators suffer with ridiculous overdesigning
I feel like it's more obvious in the spin-off show Helluva Boss,but Viv has a terrible,terrible bad habit of derailing plots. Helluva Boss' pilot showed the concept of "The Office,but they're assassins from hell" and that was great,but at some point,who knows why,it turned into "the drama of this asshole imp and the owl aristocrat dude" which is... Very wild
And I get that feeling,for example at one point I made a fantasy story about defying fate and forging your own path. I got kinda derailed and became obsessed with the romance between a dwarf and elf side characters cause I thought they looked extremely cute together. Difference being that *I ain't making an actual show* and if at one point I did that *I'd have to tone it down and focus on the plot I stablished*
Viv lacks this awareness to stay on topic. So that mixed in with a crappy industry that thinks EIGHT episodes is a reasonable lenght for this premise (it's not). Make up for a show with god awful rhythm,lack of focus,and extremely good concepts that get buried under questionable writing
I thought the vees coming off as immature and non threatening was the point😭 alastor on the other hand who's actually supposed to feel threatening rarely curses
Whenever I get into a story, one big thing I tend to care about is just that it makes sense. I can look past pacing being wonky, certain beats feeling contrived, characters having a bit of plot armor to keep things going, etc as long as the story is clicking. I can even forgive characters just "not thinking of something".
Like, one of my favorite plots is the Ace Attorney Trilogy, and that story involves physics breaking stunts and parrots testifying in court. It's stupid as hell, but I can suspend my disbelief because it follows the dumb logic it set up.
But then theres Hazbin. And for the life of me: the story about Vaggie being an angel drives me insane. They all think angels can't be harmed, yet she is an angel who was harmed. They say angels can only be harmed with angellic weapons, but Vaggie's wings were torn off by bare hands. And Lute's arm was wrecked by rubble. So... what the heck??? Did I miss something?
I still had fun watching the show overall, but hiccups like that bug me so much. It just confuses me that details like that make it through the drafts.
Fun fact! The fetish comic was done by one of the storyboard artists of the show, who storyboarded the poison segment! Oh joy!
@@scootie_scoot WHAT
@@Gazpachooo1 "WHAT" is correct :D
No seriously, WHAT
WHAT??????
EUUUGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
@@Gazpachooo1Raphielle (the storyboard artist) drew non-con NSFW art since before they started working for Viv. They made an animatic, which depicts Angel and Valentino’s relationship, and various frames of that animatic are so similar to some in the Poison segment in the actual show. So yeah. That’s disgusting.
I get where you're coming from on this show, because I hate it but I'm also loving finding other people who say how much and why they hate it too. It's bad because it could have been great. I genuinely love many of the concepts and the potential direction of the story/many of the characters - if there was ACTUAL DECENT WRITING behind it. Makes me want to do my own remake of it, redesign all the characters and come up with a script and jokes that aren't complete .
Nah episode 5 and 6 really show this problems in full stride being Charlie has no idea what she is doing and the story bends over backwards to make her right
And her “daddy issues” that get referenced so much earlier in THE SAME FREAKING EPISODE are resolved in the last third of episode 5
Literally falling to my knees and punching the ground because there’s so much potential in this show! It could’ve been a Good Place situation where ideas and concepts of morality are discussed. What constitutes “good” and “evil”? The show even sorta starts to touch on it by having the angels not know what gets someone into heaven but then they just fucking drop it right there 😭 combine that with sloppy pacing and horrible dialogue, this show is the literal embodiment of wasted potential.
Something I never see anyone mention is that it feels a bit… contradictory that a show this meanspirited is about redemption? And this isn’t me complaining about the characters in hell being mean spirited, because they should be, but narratively this show seems to really enjoy punching down kinder characters like Pentious and treating SA survivors as fetish material who can’t escape their abuse no matter who they tell.
Charlie is meant to be a Disney princess equivalent but she’s selfish, arrogant and has done more harm than good for the cast. Angel Dust was only improved thanks to Husk and Pentious is so flatly written that it feels like he would have turned good if someone patted him on the back.
Finally someone who understands that and doesn't try to protect Charlie that she is nice and misunderstood 😂
god even Rachel Gardner from angels of death which has little problems and trauma is more kind and misunderstood than Charlie princess 😂
Charlie has narcisstic disorder and is horrible judging selfish hypocrite person I can say why
my only excuse for her is that...she's the Devil's daughter
I was hoping she would have some self awareness but I guess she doesn’t
You know, this show did a terrible job of making me "sympathize" with the Sinners. And you know why? Because they didn't give me any reason to think that they're redeeming themselves. Angel never has to face the consequences of the actions that landed him in Hell, his only problem is Valentino and drugs. At no point is Sir Pentius questioned about the fact that he's a weapons manufacturer who profits from wars, no, his only problem is that he behaved like a "cartoon super villain". I don't mind Adam carrying out the Exterminations, in fact, I'm glad to know that, even if it's just for one day, Adam is giving the sinners the punishment they deserve for being the scum of humanity. Aside from the day of the Extermination, Hell doesn't feel like Hell, there are no demons to make the sinners be punished, they have complete freedom to do whatever they want and they actively choose to be sinners and enjoy it. If it weren't for Valentino, Angel seems to enjoy Hell, doing shit and getting away with it. When we get to episode 6, and Emily has the nerve to call the Sinners "innocent souls" I swear I've never wanted to kill a character as much as I did at that moment. I just thought: I don't want the Sinners to go to Heaven, after all, what about the victims of these sinners who are in Heaven? And what's the message? Is it "You can be a shitty person and make other people's lives hell while you're alive without any problem, because when you die, just go to the Hazbin Hotel, cry a little, say how poor you are a victim of circumstances, sing a song and boom, you can go to Heaven without problems." ?
Yes my brother I agree
This is easily the dumbest thing I've ever heard first of all You do realize not all sinners are evil right? I honestly don't blame Emily for thinking it was wrong because it definitely was it was not in Sarah's place to decide to kill sinners she had no right to do that not to mention she lied about it from heaven for who knows how long and second of all you don't even know the crimes they committed so calling all of them the scum of humanity is a little bit ridiculous if you ask me the sinners in hell have their own children they have families like hellborns are you saying those demons deserve to Die too? If so why what did they do wrong it's not their fault they were born in hell I'm not saying all the sinners are innocent I'm also not saying all of them are guilty it's not always in black and white sometimes it's in Gray
@@AngelloGomez-nh6cc yea no this is the dumbest thing u heard of
@@AngelloGomez-nh6cc So prove it to me.
Which sinner doesn't deserve to be in Hell?
Which sinner is "not so bad"?
Which sinner shows genuine regret for his mistakes on Earth?
We are in a series whose villain is just pure one-dimensional evil, Heaven can't even give real arguments to prevent Charlie's theory from falling under its own weight. A show that denies Lucifer's mistakes reduces them to simply a "misunderstanding." A show that refuses to show the actions that led sinners to Hell. A show that denies Adam his entire origin because it runs the risk of people sympathizing with his actions. A show that treats Sinners as people who "just made a few mistakes," that denies the consequences of their actions. A show that treats Heaven as wrong when Sinners have never shown in 10,000 years that they were interested in redemption. A show that refuses to create real rules to judge people. A show where the only thing sinners have to do is apologize and solve the problems they have in Hell. Fuck the victims. Fuck what these shits did in life. All that matters is the sinners' victimizing cries. There is no "gray morality," no sinner is confronted about their past on Earth. Sera is wrong and screw it, her point of view doesn't matter. There is no moral discussion here. The series is clearly divided into good guys and bad guys. Should I be mad at Heaven for killing sinners? Why? Sinners kill each other and enjoy doing it. Lucifer is responsible for Hell, but he was a negligent, victim-like coward who preferred to keep making useless ducks.
It's very easy to go to Heaven in Hazbin, you can be a shit intentionally your whole life, don't worry! Just go to Charlie's Hotel, sing a song apologizing and ""sacrifice"" yourself and that's it! Now you can live in the same place as innocent people and people who tried hard to be decent human beings.
Again, there is no gray morality in this series, Charlie is right, Adam and Lute are wrong, Lucifer is just a misunderstood victim... you call that ""gray morality""?
Please don't make me laugh.
@mirzasilva737 you kind of ignored that point about hellborns what about them? Do they deserve to Die to if so why The Exorcist literally kill children sure their children who are demons but they're still children nonetheless and again not all the Sinners are bad this is like saying if a black person was a serial killer this makes every black person a serial killer you don't know most of the Sinners crimes you have no idea what they did or what they do in hell day-to-day you are jumping to conclusions way too fast
I can admit that this show may have its problems but I am also aware that I had fun watching it. There’s a lot of writing issues and the pacing is atrocious and yet I look forward to the second season. I wanna see them improve
If you don't like something dosen't watch it. There's more than one show in the world to watch and viv not going to change anything because you don't like it seeing that she got four more seasons to nake and alot of people wanting to see them
pretty much everything about hazbin hotel was better in the pilot than in the full show
REAL
It is stupid that THIS video made me rethink my character designs
@@secret1851 I'm not a real artist I'm just some gay dude in a devil costume please don't take my advice😭
@Gazpachooo1 No dude, your advice seriously changed my perspective. As someone who wants to release an inde show in the future, this vid helped an embarrassing amount
@@Gazpachooo1 You still gave some solid advice actually for character designing. I myself do a bit of character designing every once in a while and you talking about what makes a design good or bad are actually some big talking points about character design.
Glad that even haters/detractors still think the soundtrack is awesome.
Admittedly the only song I find unpleasant is welcome to heaven and whatever it takes.
IMPORTANT
Vizie also refused to let the pilot voiceactors use their own voices for a charity stream for one of the voiceactor's partner who was battling cancer
He died
On one hand that sounds far-fetched. But on the other hand I don't like her and I'm going to choose to believe this anyways
@Gazpachooo1 If you look up a video titled "Vixiepop is a bad person" it goes deeper into it
It sounds far fetched, but actually happened. The creator of the video also calculated that Vizie has a 50% turnover rate PER EPISODE compared to 25-50% average YEARLY turnover rate for animation
@Gazpachooo1 you're literally me
Every time I see the full version of Hazbin I wonder how they went from the awesome creative taking itself serious piolet to whatever crap it is now.
I am Catholic, I was drilled in my head at a young age that foundation of your religion is key. The issue with HH is there is no foundation. For example, as a Catholic, sex before marriage is a sin. There are many reasons for this but the foundation reason is because we are created in God’s image and the purpose of sex is sacrifice oneself for the other which could produce life. Since God is life then that is good. Sex out of marriage reduces the persons participating in it to sexual objects instead of sexual beings, because they don’t want to sacrifice for creating a life but just misuse it for purely pleasure. A foundation of Catholicism is saying yes to life. Hazbin doesn’t have a foundation. Why is it this a sin? Why is it bad? I am trying not bring my religion into this but if the show is about redemption then it needs to know what needs to be redeemed.
@@MrSophire That makes sense but I was mostly referring to how bland the characters got. Like instead of them being fun and mysterious they are now goofy and annoying. But you had a really good analysis.
@@jaderoze9156 thanks
Viv threw out and burned bridges with the majority of people that worked on the pilot. All the good parts of the pilot came from other people.
This show has literally made me rethinking everything, specifically how to conduct my stories and characters. And for that, I hate it and all it stands for. Mostly because I realised I was doing the same thing due to loving my characters too much.
Little rant thing :pp
- When it comes to Vox, I love him. He stands out from the rest of the cast bc he isn't just different shades of red, and his silhouette (specifically his TV head). HOWEVER, he really was wasted potential. If I can remember correctly, his biggest "threat" to the main cast is that at some point in the past, he almost defeated Alastor (which seems pretty easy to do ngl) and almost got him to join the Vees. It would've been cool to see his take on a more active role in the final episode in some way.
- Alastor doesn't really seem that strong bc the majority of the people he attacks/kills are weak demons like the loan sharks. He was never shown actually DEFEATING someone stronger, like the overlords that he was IMPLIED to kill (w/o ever actually showing how he did it, great job at showing character strength Viv!!). That's why it feels like he's so weak, he mostly kills much weaker demons (that even Angel kills in ep 4) and he gets his ass handed to him by Adam without landing any major damage on the dude.
- Angel is flawed, and I could see where they were trying to go with him, but it's horribly executed bc they don't show Angel facing any actual consequences. It sucks more with his trauma bc it feels like they're defending him by saying "Hes traumatized!! Hes a traumatized lil baby who can do no harm!!". Which, really sucks to see bc trauma like Angel's shouldn't be used as a justification, but rather explanation. For example, a way Angel should've been characterized is:
Angel Dust is hypersexual due to his trauma of working as a "homosexual adult worker", and due to the industry and Valentino never asking for Angel's consent on "fun time", Angel makes people uncomfortable around him by how overwhelmingly sexual he is.
His trauma clearly affects him, and it shaped him into who he is today, but it doesn't justify his actions in the first half of the series.
YESSS!! It warms my heart to see that even the people who aren’t fans of the show can’t help but love Sir Pentious, and (rightfully) refer to him as the best character.
I think people would be a lot more forgiving of the character designs if it was actually explained in the first season that the demons character designs are based on how they died and lived. It honestly makes no sense as to why that wasn't shown in any way.
You mostly will have to go to old Viv streams because I’m pretty sure she talks about the characters and how they died, but that’s not a good thing because the show should be the one to explain that. Not just from old livestreams Viv did.
@@Austin-zc9gp literally
I thought that was pretty easy to figure out.
35:48 believe it or not...mafia.
It would be cool if the series actually poked on this fact... Or explored ANYTHING about the characters' lives before eternal damnation.
They say the word "redemption" every episode. However, I have a suspicion that Vivi doesn't REALLY understand the meaning of that word.
I don’t know if he hates either Hasbin Hotel or RVB Zero more.
Loved the vid!
Highly wish Viv stayed w/ the concept ideas for both Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss. For HH redeeming sinners should have been top priority. Angels could have still been antagonists as they do not believe sinners can be redeemed. The way they were presented in the unreleased storyboards felt so much better than the final version! The angel of death pitied charlie and wished he could help but sadly the angels could not do anything to help her. It was never "Angels are EVIL" . that sudden tone change made me sick cause what normal person looks at the lore of angels and are like "ah yes they swear and love to kill things".
If i could summarize HH it would be "Mean Spirited" with great songs(who's pacing gets ruined with random slurs thrown in) and lost potential
4:00 during the beginning of Hazbin I felt uncomfortable with Angel dust, the pilot version had personality other than just horny. This one was giving "seggzual harrasment is quirky" vibes
6:50 massive respect for using the breast chicken as an example (RIP the one that got a ridiculous amount of salt)
8:12 exactly what i've been sayingg
13:45 I agree. I thought Alastor looked goofy like that. Maybe if the lighting was darker w/flickering lights or if they stayed with the pilot design or SHOWN the voodoo symbols floating around him w/ some glitching could have helped
16:56 literally me when Episode 1 began! I LOVED the pilot and seeing the completely different tone and atmosphere made me cringe every second! I had to rewatch the pilot to wash the bad taste off myself and I felt upset over what they've done to the series.
21:46 I agree. I used to admire her but everything she's done lately is just mind boggling
27:18 every viv character design ever
27:29 got me questioning why they even gave him wings in the first place
27:58 his old designs did justice on the spider qualities and as time went on it was completey forgotten besides some of his bed sheets and room patterns having webs
28:12 poor animators
28:46 only knew she was a goat because some fanart improved her design making it have more goat qualities and the post said she was supposed to be a goat
29:10 EXACTLY! I think it was done on purpose however with Viv making the seven deadly sins being circus themed (luci being the ring master if I remember)
30:15 i prefered her pilot design. This one looks more akward with big hands imo
31:38 Viv designed Alastor in Middle School...
33:31 funnily enough a year before this show released I remember someone used that line as a joke and said "hey guys imagine if Lucifer said that" so im 99% convinced that line was stolen from a random user LOL
35:50 Angel was part of the Mafia. His old design was more straightforward with this . Would have never known some of that lore if it wasn't for the perceptive comments below vivs older vids
35:57 Pentious created weapons of war or smth. Crazy that for the one to get redeemed we never explored his backstory
36:07 THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!!! Would have helped if they hinted that the exterminators TARGET these sinners or prioritize in taking them out rather than just random civilians or less worse ones like Angel Dust. Instead viv choose to "make hell" for her people. Which she stated in a tweet.
36:30 SHE COULD HAVE USED PENTIOUS AS AN EXAMPLE AUGHH
36:52 That child was from cannibal town which means he ate others..my second guess would be that he's a hell born but sinners cannot reproduce and hellborn aren't targetted by Exterminators.
(NOOOO the rest of the time stamps got deleted! Now I have to write it from the less incorrect time stamps)
41:05 Viv could never this write peak
45:02 Alastor is literally a ripoff of sans atp
46:43 missed this energy of his so much
47:14 something to point out is how it was funny not because it was trying so hard to be so BUT because Camila didn't act out of character to throw in a swear word here and there. She acted in character and as a result the viewer found it funny
49:52 they did Pentious so dirty! Shouldve let him fire that lazer and have adam survive
51:34 literally what ive been sayingg
53:33 I hate what Helluva Boss has become. Just a cringe sloppy mess. Imo should have stuck with the pilot concept rather than this. There was a young lady whom I disliked but was starting to warm up too. She was an awful "new" friend to my old friend and basically got my friend to act in a way she normally wouldn't. We were sort of getting along until she brought up this HB Short and saying how it was "so good" and how they were calling out the "toxic fanbase". I had to HOLD back my laughter because this girl in the short was LITERALLY A SELF INSERT OF VIVZIEPOP. She CREATED an episode to mock the people acting like this while SHE LITERALLY DOES THE SAME. Needless to same the lady and me did NOT become friends.
53:37 I wholeheartedly agree. This is EXACTLY how ive been feeling about the show. I have a friend who has been in a toxic relationship and what he described was not far off from how I felt about HH. It's a bad show and not something good to watch BUT you just can't stop coming to it. Maybe it's the art style, the music. The colors. Who knows. All I know is the more people come back to it the worse the quality will get
so true 👏💚😔
About the character designs, did you know there's not one, but two arthropod-themed characters in the main cast?
If you guessed Vaggie, you're correct!
And if you guessed MOTH, you're also correct!
Yeah sure she's a moth who cares anymore
Husk did fly in the last song of Hazbin Hotel but I dont blame you for not realizing that. It was like a one second thing
I think the show's biggest problem is that the first three episodes (not counting the pilot) were the three weakest episodes.
Episodes four onwards were great, but the first three episodes didn't do enough to introduce the characters/plot-lines/lore.
Also, it felt like there were supposed to be more episodes before the season one finale, but it felt like we ended up with an abridged highlight package instead.
I love the show, I know it’s flawed and not very appealing to a lot of people, but as long as the criticism is fair I can 100% get behind it. Great review!
I didn’t even know Charlie was supposed to be a goat, I thought she was just a typical demon. She looks NOTHING like a goat, they couldn’t even give her a little tail or goat legs?
Hazbin Hotel's plot follows two different things: 1. can a soul sent to hell be redeemed, and 2. a story about corrupt angels vs demons.
Hazbin Hotel has eight twenty-minute episodes.
In this time I think it is feasable to write a compelling character-driven story about the redeemabilty of souls, or to write a compelling plot-driven story about hell vs heaven. You cannot do both.
Sure, if they had a greater amount of time they could be able to do a good job at both of these concepts in one show, but again.
Hazbin Hotel has under three hours of time.
44:37 I looked up when Gravity Falls ended and it said on Google February 15, 2016 it feels like the show only ended recently but it’s actually been like 8 years ago f$&k realizing how old we are hurts
Alastor shouldn’t be in the show as much if u want someone like him to work u gotta use him in short burst
I just want to point out that the pilot's events are cannon, just not the nitty gritty details of character interactions. So fun!
Alastor's original character was more of a goofy character with a 'dark side' and ended in the final being a "dark" character with minimal goof. There is a reason people liked Alastor's original personality than the one that came to be.
That's a good point on Adam's swearing. I agree that this show overswears but many people tend to view Adam as the prime example, but I saw him as the only one getting a pass in this regard since it's who he is.
If it stopped trying to be a comedy first it would be good.
Is it even being a comedy first?
@@raydarableI'm not sure. I didn't really laugh until Alastor said "fuck" when fighting Adam
Charlie is supposed to be a goat?? What???
19:59 He acts like this because he’s being hypersexual. Hypersexuality is a trauma response from people who suffer from repeated sexuaI abuse.
Because of his recurring sexuaI trauma, he believes his only worth is through sex or sex-related things, so sex becomes his whole thing. It’s a facade, too-he acts that way because it’s easier to see people reject a caricature of himself than it is to see them reject the real him. (A therapist explained it better)
I’m not saying his character is written well, or even that this part of his character is written well. But I am saying that there is a reason he acts that way.
Yeah I definitely picked up on that and probably should have brought it up in some way. Unfortunately he is annoying so I don't care
Also i think the sexual harrasement could possibly be a result of hpd, though thats just a theory of mine
Hypersexual people don’t behave like this and it’s a massively common misconception that hypersexual sexually harass people for fun. It’s also worth pointing that Viv writes a lot of her queer men like this. Blitzo, Moxxie, Fizzarolli, Stolas (season 1 Stolas anyways), etc are all sex obsessed and only Fizzarolli hasn’t sexually harassed another man
@@Birdyboys ah I forgot about the sexual harassment. I wasn’t thinking about that part, I was talking about how he objectifies himself and makes sex his whole personality. I guess the harassment is another reason that this part of his character is not written well.
And Viv does write a lot of her characters like this yeah. But in the story, it’s almost explicitly stated that Angel acts this way as a coping mechanism
35:50 So, this issue about why is everyone in hell, is due to the fact that Vivziepop made a show that only her closest followers can truly understand. Or people like me who go out to seek the answers. I won't get into to much history about Viv's original story, Zoophobia, but a lot of the characters come from it or were inspired by it. The current understood canon about why Angel is in hell is that he was the son of a Mafioso and a coke addict. His spider appearance is due to the "web of lies" or something. Of course this being a made by Vivziepop work, we will likely never see the characters actually have to confront their actions on earth so you can also entirely through this out.
If anymore lore or backstory of how this project ended up being such a mess is needed, I am happy to answer.
Tell me everything or where to find it
I thought just from watching the show it was obvious why most were in Hell:
Angel Dust due to drug abuse
Husk due to alcoholism and gambling addiction
Alastor due to being a cannibal voodoo artist
Niffty for obvious reasons
Charlie for being born there
and Vaggie was the only one the plot needed to answer.
@@kyarabarrion4523 So a lot comes from old streams. TH-cam is finicky around links but there are wiki's out there over Zoophobia, the Hazbin development process, and her controversies. You can also dig up some stream archives.If you need anything more or still need help on a piece, ask, I'll answer.
@@raydarable That's the problem. Vivziepop changes her mind on certain character aspects. Coke didn't exist in the 1940s, also Angel should also be in hell not just for drugs, but for the people he's killed. So, the focus being on his sex and drug addiction doesn't actually address what he did in life, the people he wronged, or how he actively refused to change. We only get the issue he developed in hell, and one half of what he did in life.
Those issues are implied to have existed when he was alive, only made worse in Hell. That's his punishment.
And coke did exist in the 1940s.
i feel like you perfectly explained my issue with alastor lol
This show… Is like a giant identity crisis. It doesn’t know what it wants to be or do.
The first season is paced bad, and everyone says it’s the episode count, and I get that it’s a small season… However, even *if* they had let’s say 17 episodes, that would still not be big enough for the fat stacks of ideas and concepts they tried to ram into a first season.
This show, is clearly Viv’s baby. She made it, grew up with it, loved to draw and make up stories so it was perfect. She loved it and then made it into a series… And honestly, I feel like behind the scenes… Nobody knows what’s gonna happen to the show, time line wise. Like, they got *no* idea what the resolution is to this show, which is kinda annoying considering the huge fact that this show has been rattling around in Viv’s head since 2015.
GOOOOOODDDD banging my head against the wall because Vox is my absolute favorite character BUT he was honestly just a waste of space in Season 1, along with the other Vees (except for Valentino, specifically cuz of Angel Dust) Vivzie should have just introduced Vox in season 2!!! 😭
im digging your style quirked up white boy
RED VS BLUE JUMPSCARE THANK YOU I LOVE YOU SO MUCH ITS A MASTERPIECE
watching it when I was stoned was like amazing! but watching it again sober I'm like.... "what?"
Conclusion: Hazbin was made by drunk people for drunk people
@@Pancakes-n-Waffles168 stoned means weed. So correction: made by weed, and made for weed!
@@SodaFrizz666 *le gasp*
:o
@@Pancakes-n-Waffles168 Omg your so right!
For all your questions about husks character design- he was designed by a child that’s litterally it he was designed with zero personality or story in mind other then to be angels partner, that’s it there is no logic there is no concept art he’s just that
As someone who did enjoy the pilot for HH and didn't really like the first season: it just felt too fast paced for me, and the humor focused a lot more on the parts I didn't like from the pilots vs the parts I did. I do enjoy the songs tho, which were one of my favorite parts of the pilot, so I got what I wanted out of it :]
Some of the designs actually do make sense. Granted, if you have outside information, but they do make sense. As an example, why is Alistair so skinny? Because he's based on the windago. A cannibalistic deer spirit. Why is husk so colorful and all over the place because he's an addictive gambler that ran casinos, known as the gambling overlord. Charlie doesn't tend to look like a goat because she covers up most of the features and hides them Trying to look more human because she wants to look less threatening to sinners. Angel, I still haven't figured out. He's just kind of a furry version of his normal human self with extra arms. Definitely something that would have helped out a lot there is letting him keep that big fuzzy tail thing he had during his song.
Angel's a spider because he and his family had a "web" of crime.
Yeeaaaah, I'm pretty sure vivzie needs a refresher course when it comes to character design Lol
@@DrawciaGleam02 i'll give you that but he is still not very spider. I just thought he was a 4 arm furry until poison when he had that big poofy tail attachment then i saw the spider idea.
I liked Charlie's pilot outfit, but man I still don't like her new clothing in the show proper. The shoulder pads and the bottom of her untucked undershirt poking out looks stupid. The undershirt poking out looks even more stupid when you find out that it's tucked in when she's not wearing the jacket.
Also it's funny how you can also tell when a character cussing is supposed to be a "oh shit" moment for viewers, but it doesn't work since they cuss all the time anyway lol.
I think if it was longer instead of 8 episodes that are barely 20 minutes it would have been a lot better. The episodes aren’t even 40 minutes to an hour like most modern shows, instead it is horribly rushed.
Maybe another ten episodes, so we can truly see how powerful yet detailed Alastor is, seeing Angel Dust develop and actually have Vox do something. Then Helluva boss refuses to change its characters so even when it has a good episode it is ruined by the fact they are the exact same the following episode. I have watched both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel hoping it “gets good” when I know it won’t beyond what it does. Especially since I do like the ideas behind both shows. I doubt Hazbin hotel will get better because it won’t be given more episodes, and again Vivzie can not right to save her life.
You should watch the pilot it is honestly much better than the show I think you would like it over this and specifically pilot Alistair I think you might enjoy more
this is a amazing review great job man !
I agree with many of your points as a vid. That said, as an artist, i would like to talk more on what makes a good character design.
You're true on the point that a good character design should be able to give insight what the character is about, so making a countertuitive design is not. Personally, i disagree on that.
A countertuitive design can be done right as a storytelling device, particularly one for plot twists. There's quite a few examples to pull from- Nui from Kill la Kill, and Pride from FMA.
I would like to hear your thoughts on character design used as plot twist device
3:38 bro looks like a Team Magma grunt
im gonna cry
I think they should have had more episodes since 8 is so little
Yeah and unfortunately that’s all on Amazon.
@@Austin-zc9gp yeah I completely agree Amazon didn’t do it justice
@@Austin-zc9gpactually if the rumors are true (and I could be wrong) it could have been Viv’s fault. The show could have had 10-12 episodes but it was cut down to 8 due to the expensive voice cast. I can’t imagine Katie killjoy was originally going to be voiced by Brandon rogers, feels like a last minute decision
The kid Vaggie spared is actually a cannibal form cannibal town (they are one of the many hellborn species in hell)
@@Flugel_Halogen oh I just figured the people in cannibal town were cannibals when they were alive would have been great if they explained that in the show huh?
Yep Kid a cannibal killer
There kid that killed another kid in real life reality...
I used to adore Viv and her work, I followed her projects since 2016 and it makes me so sad that she basically became money hungry.
46:13 nobody tell him that autumn exists
I should have said dark gray but you get my point
@@Gazpachooo1 I know, but I still thought it was funny
As a “Hazbin” connoisseur, I like the show. But I can’t deny the problems. The animation, music, and sometimes the characters are great and fine for the most part but the main problem for me is 2 things, 1: the jokes and 2: A little two fast. I feel like if your trying to make a comedy show or just jokes in general, you should at least range out your jokes more and I feel like the show could do with more episodes to better get a feel for these characters. Other than that, I like the show. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
Valid… BUT!
The way you wasted that chicken breast hurts my low budget college student soul….
I could had turned that into chicken tenders…
@@Fluffycakez5 I only wasted one for the bit where I poured salt over one of them don't worry. I don't like wasting food so I tried to minimize that bit lol
The pilot is better imo. Not amazing, but better-
31:15 Didn't husk fly in the Finale when he was puting light bulbs in a sign
I love the concept of the story about redemption of sinners but where it loses me is the tone and characters. The show makes it seem like the people in hell are innocent when that can’t be further from the truth. People like Angel as a character but he was in the mafia dude was not innocent. Also Charlie as a character shouldn’t be the main character because it takes away from the whole point of the show you know, redemption of sinners. Also the jaded opinions of heaven kills it like what’s the point in being better when the people upstairs are just as bad? Also don’t like the comedy like, swears and sex jokes aren’t funny if that’s all you can say!!!!!!!
as much as i dont like amgel dust, i suspect the reason why angel dust acts this way and isnt reserved is because i assume his hypers/vxuality is just a trauma response, he doesn’t know who he is outside of his p;vrn persona.. which is sad :( but its just.. they overdo it, yknow? it feels like a exaggerated mockery of h;vypers;xvuality
Cant wait for the episode where Charlie has a duet with Hitler about how it starts with sorry
alastor is confirmed to be a cannibal or serial killer or smth so he def belongs in hell.
hazbin hotels feels like a shitty the good place. redemption of sinners, proving they can get into heaven? check. a demon (eventually, in tgp's case,) fighting for human souls? check. heaven discriminating the sinners? check. only the good place does it 100x better and shows the change and redemption of all its main characters.
For what Angel Dust did and the others to make into the hell? You need an enormous amount of para text or outside information given on Vizzie social media and livestreams to get their backstory. Which I hate as this should be in the show or at least shown or mentioned or implied.
Alastor is a cannibal and a serial killer on earth who supposedly got shot through the head mistaken for a deer. He's also from Louisiana and uses voodoo. That's why he's has deer motifs like ears and horns sometimes, along with stitches on his mouth and dot on his head. I don't know where the radio motif came from at all. Maybe because hes from the 40s?
Angel dust is a spider because he's from a mafia family while on Earth and his spider form shows his family "web" of crime or something. So yes Angel dust can be said to be a murderer or criminal while on Earth, not just a gay porn star.
Sir pentious I'm not sure anything is shared about him.
Vaggie i heard was originally supposed to be a trafficked woman or something like she was a hooker(don't qoute me too hard from this pls, it could possibly be headcanon backstory floating around) who offed herself as she hated her situation. But it got changed to her being a fallen exorcist.
I looked to subscribe and I realized im already subscribed, uuh i genuinely dont remember doing that but this video seems pretty damn cool so im ok that so thank you with whatever entity decided i shoudl subscribe
I haven’t finished this video, but I definitely think you should’ve started with the pilot rather than episode 1. Honestly imo the pilot is the best episode in the show and the rest of it doesn’t really grasp what was set up in the pilot very well, and the show could’ve been really good if it kept up the quality of the pilot tbh (in my personal opinion)
White Boy Jumpscare Tracker Part II: Halloween Edition. Thought it was dumb but funny last time, so yes I'm doing it again. lol
1. 1:32 That's four seconds and we hadn't even gotten to the animation yet, that is a record for hating something on first watch.
1.5 3:04 Only an arm, so I'll count it as half a point. Though I feel the emotion well-
2. 3:37 Very quick and kinda surprising he ran out of characters to like this quickly, but will hear him out.
3. 4:55 Expands slightly, which fair review of characters for episode 1.
4. 6:38 White Boy Jumpscare introduces the new analogy-based cooking show: The Kitchen Comparison.
5. 13:40 To be fair on this point, that was a great and digestible comparison to explain your reasoning, and that pun was not intentional.
6. 14:55 Honestly that's very memetic, keep that line in the bag.
7. 16:51 "You see. The joke. Is sex." I don't know why, just spelled out like that just feels funnier than the show's actual punchline. Maybe it's the delivery-
8. 17:52 ...Okay the White Boy Jumpscare actually jumpscared me here.
9. 18:27 The audio on that was a bit loud, did not feel great-
10. 32:28 Thank you for the reminder that Vivziepop is not that good a person.
11. 37:06 The White Boy Jumpscare has scared himself with his potential change of heart.
12. 43:57 Really should've fit that hood better-
13. 48:07 The look of shouting into your hoodie's hood is honestly a mood.
14. 51:26 **Yes.**
Overall, fairly explained why you didn't enjoy the show but also why you don't outright hate it. Hopefully though you might return for season 2.
Also 40:56, "He's the main protagonist" I'm not sure if that is you showing your inner Bill Cipher fanboy or a genuine slip up. lol
Hazbin hotels fandom is just miraculous ladybugs fandom they think of what it couldve been instead of what it is
They could've cut out every f bomb and used that time for character development
Edit: Also, about Vox being a bad villain, I think the writers weren't trying to make Vox intimidating? To me he seems like a dumbass with an ego and thats why I like him so much
I will be honest. I don't like Vizzi, but I love this show. I'm begging please let someone else write the show.
I didn't know that you're existed. I was trying to hear a whole lot about this if they did a Star Wars board if anakin was there
U wanna see this dumpster fire burn that’s what it is
46:00 alastor actually does show expressions. You just have to pay attention to his eyes and body language. Youre too focused on the smile, meaning his trick actually works on you. You cant see past the smile.
Its like in Ouran Highschool Host Club, the twins pretend to be incestuous lovers to make girls swoon over them, but in reality they think girls who do that are losers. Yet the fandom in real life actually has people who ship them and find the idea of that hot. They're literally the target of their facade. Youre basically one of the twin shippers in regards to you never seeing Alastors hidden emotions.
I'm 13 minutes into this video and it's becoming increasingly clear that, Vox's being the butt of the joke in his own song being the POINT of the song, seems to have flown entirely over your scope of comprehension?
Criticizing the premise and execution of the song and episode, by saying that they failed at making him intimidating by making him a complete joke, when the point and intention was to make him into a joke and not to make him intimidating... is just ironic and laughably bad critique.
You're basically saying "they did a great job at what they were trying to do with the character, I just didn't understand it at the slightest" 💀
Just because you have preconceived notions of what a villain song is "supposed to be".
For one, this isn't just a villain song, it's a duet between two characters, which one of them started PURELY out of insecurity. It's supposed to convey the relationship the two have and where they stand with eachother. And that's Vox being overly invested and Alastor egging him on until he freaks the fuck out.
For two, Vox's "villain song" portraying him as an insecure idiot who is way to obsessed with being better than Alastor, and not portraying him as an intimidating threat to Alastor, isn't a poor execution of a villain song. The song is conveying what KIND of antagonistic relationship Vox has with Alastor. He doesn't have to be intimidating if that's not what they are trying to convey.
I mean you'd think this would be easily understood.
Also forgot to say that ur really funny and it made me subscribe
haz tuah
thanks
Husk flys once in the finale song
Not the fight the song
When they are adding the lights
My literal only favorites are niffty and sir Pentious 😭🙏 i enjoy husk, Charlie, and Vaggie but thats it💀
9:18 I LOVE RED VS BLUE
The chicken scene caused me physical and mental damage to watch
36:06 Okay, that would’ve been absolutely hilarious.
A note on the V’s (Vox, Val, Velvette) and swearing:
We’re not supposed to take them seriously.. that’s why Alastor rarely curses because we’re supposed to subconsciously understand he’s the more dangerous between the two.
On Angel Dust:
Victims of sexual assault sometimes become hyper-sexual and don’t think they’re worth anything more than what their body can give others. They make jokes and act in a way that tends to make other people uncomfortable.
😐👍 Good video
GAZPACHO1 I GOT SOMETHING TO TELL MY BEST FRIEND COWORKER SHE IS A S.A. SURVIVORS THIS EPISODE MAKE ME SOO VERY ANGRY 😠 THAT SHOW NOT FUNNY HOW DARE PUT THAT BOTH EPISODE VIVZIEPOP IS GETTING AWAY.
Sa fetishiser worked on the show allegedly
@@VoxiconVoxicola WHAT ARE YOU SAYING MY FRIEND SHE WATCH THAT BOTH SHOW HAZBIN HOTEL AND HELLUVA BOSS EPISODE SHE IS CRYING😢 IN PAIN AND TRAUMATIZE IT'S GIVE HER BAD MEMORIES I HUGGING HER TO CALM HER DOWN.
@@VoxiconVoxicola How did the storyboard artist fetishise(?) sa?
baxk in high school i watched he 1st ep of Hellavaboss and i didnt rly like it. it didnt pique my interest much and i couldnt even be bothered to watch ep 2. and im normally to type of person so see sloppily made shows w so much potential and watch them bc ik the fandom can do the show good w theie fanworls and rewrites(cough cough, Danny Phantom. cough cough, MLB. tho not so much anymore for that last one as i got far too tired of the shitty plot points durin S2 💀) but i couldnt get into Hellavaboss so i never tried w Hazbin Hotel as i saw ppl sayin it gives off the same vibes(i also wasnt much of a fan of alotve the character designs. didnt kno y at the time but nos that u said its far too bisy that was exactly y XD)
Hazbin felt too rushed, everything just kinda happens and the characters don't really grow or change. That's where Helluva Boss differs. The characters are given time to develop and each episode can vastly impact the story moving forward. Brandon Rogers definitely carried the writing.
Wait until he watches angel dusts episode
Never ask Viv why there isn't any WW2 German or a certain Austrian in Hell, but instead there's a bunch of LGBT people
Eck! I mistook Gaspacho for a Team Magma Grunt, which would have been absolutely amazing, since many of us wanted to be one as kids growing up, but Team Magma is absolutely forgotten nowdays, no one even thinks about it anymore, hell! I havnt thougth avout them since years, back in ORAS and wven then where they brought back from completely forgotten. it would unironically be so original to bring back team Magma out of the olden days, just for nostalgia's sake.
Like if you agree with me!