For those of you with a 7800X3D chip, make sure to check your BIOS!!! Motherboards have had issues with providing too much SOC voltage. This can cause premature chip degradation or catastrophic failure. All boards should have a BIOS update at this point to address this issue.
I upgraded to 7600 from I7 4790!! Same boat, Apex and Overwatch dropping to 110, now hit frame caps! Figure I may go to the 7600x at most then wait a gen or two. 8000x3d might be the ticket?
Still not the best gaming performance CPU you can buy only if you take the average segments ! 7950x3d is faster and 13900ks with 7200 ddr5 is faster in 1440 p and 4K
Hey, PC Centric, why don't you make a video about the AMD CPUs blowing up and catching on fire fiasco, But I know why you won't because u are an AMD fanboy, but you are quick to make a video bashing intel, and their Q1 losses. PC Centric is a biased channel. UNSUBSCRIBE NOW!!!!!!!
@@lalicdalibor13677950x3d and 13900k are not better for gaming, they both literally get beaten by the 7800x3d via benchmarks. It has something to do with the 8 core setup which games prefer.
I'm a 7600 guy all the way. Realistically, a 7600 performs near 5800x3d level and not too far off 7800x3d level. You could even buy one right now for $220 with a free 5200 16 gb ddr5 ram.
I have the same CPU, the only reason 5800X3d was great, was people with older CPUs like 1700X were able to get a substantial performance increase, by just swapping the CPU. This is not the case for 7000 if you ask me. 99% are better off with 7700x or lower, those %0.1 lows are also bullshit, a game like Jedi Survivor has stutter every now and then and no CPU can fix that.
Bought the 7700X and MATX Gene board back in November thinking I would upgrade to the X3D chip later on. The uplift is not enough for me to do it. I’ll wait for the 8000 series I think.
Been looking at upgrading to 7800x3d from my Am4 platform with 5800x3d but at 4k theres no noticeable difference when using my 4080 so will wait for the next gen x3d chips 👍👍
I don't think this answer the fundamental question though. Is pairing a 7700X with a $800 GPU better than pairing a 7800X3D with a $700 GPU? There are instances where the 7800X3D will offer a benefit thanks to the 3D-Vcache, but in some games it doesn't. Whereas, having a faster GPU will give you a performance boost in all games all the time over a slower one.
My philosophy is to get the most you can in your budget towards CPU initially, since most games will be fine with either configuration, but having a more solid platform for the whole system allows you to do the leapfrog of 3 years, GPU upgrade, 3 years more CPU upgrade, GPU, CPU, GPU, CPU like that with more average performance over time that buying midrange systems whole cloth every 4-5 years. If $100-150 more on CPU allows you to stretch multiple more years out of it, you're saving money.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator i think it depends on what resolution you are aiming for 1080p maybe a stronger cpu, but 1440p and above the gpu becomes more important. So I’d take a faster gpu all day with a weaker cpu ( for gaming of course) because I aim for at least 1440p
@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorabout to build my first PC (console gamer) to game and stream. The task has sent me down a rabbit hole. I probably won't upgrade for years but you make it sound like a must? Or an obsession? Are there meetings to stop upgrading if I grow a problem?
The big gains with the x3D come from virtual reality under heavy loads. There is improvement in most games on the x3d lineup but it’s going to be aligned more to frame latency which is mostly noticed in vr applications.
@Thomas Shears it has to do with the limitations that were poorly implemented if you want to get a 7000 x3d chip give it a month and update the bios asap,
I annot find anny benchmarks about vr about the 5800x3d or this 7800x3d chip. Cos it seems every simracer wants a 5800x3d for iracing and ac. So wat is this frame latecncy doing exactly? And is it less noticeble then having a lower fps cap in vr cos u pull less frames?
I went for the 7600 plus a B650 Gaming X AX for £349. Planning to drop in a 7800X3D or 8800X3D once they have dropped in price. The 7600 is plenty right now for gaming.
I would get the 7800X3D if it didn’t already have a 7700X. I play 4K with a 4080 so the gains aren’t enough to justify a whole new CPU. But if I do need another in the future it’ll be a 3D one.
I do have a 7700x and did upgrade to a 7800x3d. The improvement is obvious and still keeping the 7700x until the 8800x3d comes out. I like to have back up computer parts incase my main rig goes down. I also have multiple PCs in the house, mainly for my kids. Nice having the backups in case their computers take a dump.
@@christopherp.1391 my other 2 computers are AM4 so there’s not much backup I can get from them. Lol. And when I get my new TV I might end up changing, but right now I’m capped at 60Fps and can hit it pretty easily in most games I play.
Hey, PC Centric, why don't you make a video about the AMD CPUs blowing up and catching on fire fiasco, But I know why you won't because u are an AMD fanboy, but you are quick to make a video bashing intel, and their Q1 losses. PC Centric is a biased channel. UNSUBSCRIBE NOW!!!!!!!
@@christopherp.1391 The difference is not obvious at 4K at all. In fact it depends on what game your playing for the 7800x3d to even take the lead in performance. Not all games benefit greatly from extra cache. The majority of games just want high IPC and clock speeds.
at higher resolutions, it doesnt seem worth it over the 7700x. i wonder what the difference is when running video cards that are mid level like a 7800xt or 4070ti.
CPU is good no doubt. But i totally agree with that nonsense "future proofing" statement. Over many years in PC gaming i learned - never buy anything for "future proofing", don't lie to yourself, because probably you will upgrade the whole system anyways in the future.
@@thomasebbs8506 any bottlnecking with this build? witch resolution do you play games i have 2560x1080 :/ i think i may have bottlneck in this resolution.....
@Sir Wiggums im using ryzen 9 7900 non x its runs fine even in full load maximum temp reach only 70 degree c even in heavy load if you do PBO enable its hits only 90 degree... im using with my gigabyte b650 gaming x ax mobo with 32gb xpg lancer 6000mhz ram
@@SwingArmCity yes i agree its fault with only asus board that's why i avoided to buy asus board. Im using gigabyte b650 gaming x ax mobo with my ryzen 9 7900
I think that was a fail for the 7800x3D. Its cache after all doesn't make a big difference for the GPU utilization. A bit, sometimes, but overall the "bottleneck" is truly elsewhere (clock speed, architecture, etc). And many fps did not change, or they changed in a completely irrelevant way (like 143 to 176). A few of those differences might look cool (elsewhere there are none), they are pretty silly, useless differences, except for very specific monitor situations. The real differences can only be seen in something like 80 vs 110 fps. And for that, again, a smaller GPU would be a more practical benchmark choice to make a buying decision about as clear as it can be.
My concerns have been addressed, I will stick with my Ryzen 7 7700. I can satisfactorily play DOOM 2016 and all older versions of DOOM 3. Thanks for the nice show.
Who buys a 4090 and than plays in 1080p? What difference is better visible, 50 vs 60Hz or 100 vs 120 Hz? So for the price, it is the 7700x all the way!
I feel that budget PC builders perhaps need to settle on being "old tech, but stable tech" more than "leading edge tech, but f'ing expensive tech which will be out of date in 12 months and was a total money-dump" tech. Being a cheap-skate PC person is to be a practical PC person. If you can pish it away and not worry, well, good for you.
honest for the price performance ratio the 7700x wipes the floor with the x3d chip. not only that but its faster in pretty much everything else out side of gaming.
Got my 7700x, with x670e mobo, and 32 of DDR5 6000 RAM for $500 USD (Newegg deal). The slight performance gain from the 7800x3D isn't worth the build cost considering I got my cpu, mobo, and ram for essentially the same price as just the 3D chip. Very happy with my current rig (7900XT for the GPU). Will more than likely upgrade the CPU to the last 3D chip made for AM5 and leave it at that for a while, with maybe a GPU upgrade in 3-4 years.
literally looking at the same bundle but from microcenter. They offer a 7700x, 32gb ddr5 6000 and msi b650 for $450 or 7900x, 32gb ddr5 6000 and asus b650 for $550. Is the 7900x worth the extra $100?
@@Itzplop if you’re just gaming, then no. If you do more than game, yes. Depends on your use case. I game and consume content only on mine and it’s been killer for me. Especially since I upgrading from a aged i7 8700k.
@@mathewstewart1692 I definitely plan on doing some editing via davinchi resolve which is why i was considering it to begin with. I heard the chiplet design in AMD is why the 7700x is better in terms of gaming because of the 2 6core cpu working in parallel (7900x) vs. the 1 8core cpu in the 7700x. But considering I want to do both gaming and some workflow stuff like editing then maybe its worth? Then again it is just a hobby so maybe the 7700x is just fine for now and I can always upgrade later down the road. Coming from a 1060 3gb and intel i5-6600k
@@Itzplop I mean it isn’t like the 7700x is going to be terrible at editing. It’s still a great CPU. It sounds like you could save yourself $100 and put that elsewhere into your rig, or just save the money period. That’s probably what I would do in your situation.
@@mathewstewart1692 yea I definitely think saving the $100 is probably a good idea, now just gotta figure out which gpu I wanna put with it. I plan on doing some streaming too
I have both and I can’t say I agree with the conclusion here. You’re not going to notice the difference at all at 4K and doubtfully (at best rarely) at 1440p. Fomo is real and everything but practically speaking you’re better off with the more money in your pocket.
i just stuck in the 7800x3d with a new mob and 6000 mhz of ram pared with a 3070ti waiting out on the 5070 at most and im happy im playing star citizen at such good frame rates, peace at mind now that i dont need to worry about anything in my system apart from the case and gpu !!its a freaking good feeling haha !!
Love your energy 💪🔋PC Centric 🤯🥳 keep up the great content and energy in your uploads 🥰.Currently using a 7950X3D for both gaming and light production work (getting my feet wet learning DaVinci Resolve atm☺). Looking at setting up 2 bios profiles …. 1x 3D-Cache die active only for gaming and 1x both CCDs active for production work.
The CPUs serve GPUs to a very similar degree. It's more that the 7800x3D can crank out more (often useless) frames in games with extra CPU-demand (by somehow striking a better balance thanks to cache).
I went with the 7x3d paired with a 7800 xt oc all game with ray tracing maxed out doesn’t go under 50fps usually with higher demanded games it’s 55 to 70 everything maxed out. Very happy with my setup.
Just wondering - do you miss not having a usb port on the case? I really like the design of it, but I want to be sure I won’t feel like I’m missing out.
Those few extra frames really don't matter. Save your money and spend it on a better graphics card. Having 120 fps that looks gorgeous is a lot better than 165 fps that looks blocky or lacking detail.
Can’t wait to build my first pc. I’ve had all the parts for a week. Just waiting for my case to come in. Coming from a gaming laptop I have high expectations. I’ll be using the 7800x3d with an rtx 3080 😅
Hi Bro, I am looking to buy/build a good budget-friendly PC My current budget amount is- 600-700$ Can you please suggest which build would be better? I am confused, about Intel or Ryzen. I am also looking for the latest motherboard & components that would support future upgrades for RAM, etc., and if I can install a good GPU on this same budget, that would be great. Please suggest some configurations for both Intel & AMD. It's a request and please reply. PC would be used for gaming & work Thanks & Regards
Can't remember all cpu options but for gpu it's 6600,6600xt, Intel Arc A750 or Intel Arc A770. If you can push further go $1000. Always the sweet spot for gaming pc builds. But if not then the gpu options above is best for the $600-$700 gaming pc
I paired a 4090 with a 7600 and reduce the wattage of the gpu until I have a good-enough framerate in the game I'm playing, Forza Horizon 120fps = ca. 38% Wattage = My whole system only draws about 260 Watts and stays very cool... For Cyberpunk maxed out and any future games , I can go to 111%. The Palit software is really good for this with the Gamerock 4090, it goes from 34% to 111% and you can save several profiles for different games. With 48% the 4090 matches my previous card, a 3080TI, which was frankly fast enough (but was less efficient and not as easily configurable)
Personally for me I would likely build in context of 2 system builds actually scratch that 3 builds using current pc as base, and 2 new units as tests with a capture card and a hdmi switch between the 4 kinda pointless comparing am4 and ddr4 and am5 and ddr5 when only using a dd4 mainboard.. same point also exists comparing 2-3 generations of gpu's starting at 8GB, 16GB and 24GB, though until we see gpu's greater than 128/256/512GB or1+TB increments ... whilst increasing ram frequency may fix bottleneck in testing resolution and fps in a interim fashion when is quantity of gpu going to increase to fix overheads that that has plagued the igpu ndustry the last 15-20 years I think until we start 128GB -1TB cards present in the market place it is hard to see we will be at in future because we've been needing past 24GB just to to support 4khdr, 8k, dolby vision and dolby atmos and any other high bandwidth for both FPS and resolutions you are fighting in the last 5 years see no point in graphical testing because the bottleneck has always been the quantity of ram not its speed it obtains per clock cycle current gpu's with a graphical update to pc games of between 95-05 the current generation gpu's may be fine in running though looking just at the pc gaming of the last 5 years ever a, aa and aaa title you can name has had to be patched to run on lack of ram gpu's looking at what it costs to scrub streaming content for streaming i wonder is what we have in gpu's at 24GB just isn't enough today let alone the future of gaming at 24GB
I have the same question. But I think I’m going to go with the regular 7700 without the X boost. The lower wattage at 65W is just what I want. I’ll hold off on the X3D until the next evolution of AM5 sometime in 2025 or 2026.
@Balan Costel 6700xt way more ram, and faster, and around the same price. You can watch a ton of videos, these fanboys are weird! More milage for your dollar.
Just got a 4070ti for £650 and now I'm wondering what CPU to buy for this. Would a 7600x be enough for that as these are only £200 when the 7800x3d is £360. I've heard so much about the 3d v cache being amazing especially for 1% lows but not sure if its worth it for me.
9:30 You can get constant 240+ fps or hit the 300 fps cap all the time in FIRING RANGE. But with that same gpu+cpu, the amount of fps you get on the edge sides of the map in an actual match can be less than 190 because the game will be rendering the whole map which results in a HUGE fps drop. (It's how it works in Apex Legends) So next time do your tests in actual matches instead of firing range.
I have a rx6800, 16gb ddr4 ram, and r5 5600x. What fps should i be getting on games like minecraft and halo infinite at 1440p/1080p settings? How do i get them max fps out of my setup?
This falls in such a weird category, it’s s halo product if you game but it doesn’t cost halo product money. It’s not cheap overall but cheap vs what it competes with..
Why does it look so choppy in animations? Seems like its running 20-30fps, is that just how DLSS make the games feel like, or is it because its not V-sync limited, motion blur on top of it, not running more than 60hz on the monitor? Is it because its not forced limited fps? Is that a Ryzen thing or what? I genuinely want to know why several hundreds of FPS looks like this in your setup.
Don't understand the upscaling at 1440p. That will skew results to the X3D as that CPU will give you better 1080p results which you should never run on a 4090.
@@PcCentric While that may be true. To the CPU it is the same as running the game at 1080p and then the GPU upscales it. Therefore, for a CPU test it should not be used.
@@nikarexviashvili1098 Already had the AM4 plattform with 3700x an upgraded to 5800X3D in 2022. If you plan to build a new plattform i would go with AM5, because AM4 is end of life.
@@nikarexviashvili1098 It depends. What resulution will you use for gaming? 1080p / 1440p / 3440x1440p UWQHD / 2160p? And do you already have a case / PSU / SSD or M2.? You only need a motherboard / CPU / DDR5 memory? Then i would go with: - AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D - Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX - 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 DIMM CL30 Dual Kit
I'm trying build my first pc and still cant decide which one for me I'm planning on getting a "AMD Radeon RX 7600 XT Steel Legend Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB " graphics card which would you recommend me to go with? any feed back would be much appreciated (:
Great man, can you share or build a PC with the highest quality of every part [inclusive of best largest monitor available] without regards to cost? I mean maximum possible capacity gaming desktop for architects with up to 128GB (or more) of RAM.
Shouldn't you be doing cpu benchmarks at 1080p to remove gpu bottlenecks? when you test at 4k the gpu is doing most of the work here and DLSS is lowering the resolution too.......
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For those of you with a 7800X3D chip, make sure to check your BIOS!!! Motherboards have had issues with providing too much SOC voltage. This can cause premature chip degradation or catastrophic failure. All boards should have a BIOS update at this point to address this issue.
Motherboards? Don't be so vague. Its mainly the ASUS boards that cause the problem.
@@SwingArmCity and gigabyte, there was one with gigabyte
@Deez ol' better safe than sorry
@@SwingArmCity gigabyte also
@@SwingArmCity all partners to my knowledge have released a BIOS update. I was vague for a reason.
I’m actually surprised the performance uplift wasn’t greater. Guess I’ll hold on to my 7700x. Thanks for the testing.
Not every game greatly benefits from the extra cache. It’s a very specific use case product.
I get the same results with my 7700x as he does here with the 7800X3D, cl30 memory
exactly, veird review
@@hayche1986 he’s using a capture card so he’s going to have slightly worse performance then normal
@siddiqueintesar1992 the cheaper one you find, also if you just game, 8core is overkill
I upgraded to the 7800X3D from a 4770K so I'm in awestruck how much my 4080 performance increased. I went from like 110 fps in Overwatch to 300.
That's what tends to happen when you upgrade a 10 year old CPU. Any of the latest CPUs would have given you that "wow" factor
Good for you man
Woah nah that’s a major issue 🤣😭 I had a r5 5600x and I felt the cpu bottle neck I upgraded to am5 now and its much better
I upgraded to
7600 from I7 4790!!
Same boat, Apex and Overwatch dropping to 110, now hit frame caps!
Figure I may go to the 7600x at most then wait a gen or two.
8000x3d might be the ticket?
@@eduardomaldonado5793 Their new cpu is literally AM5 too tho
I know the 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU you can buy, but I would opt for the R7 7700 non x for AM5. The 7700 is still plenty fast for gaming.
Still not the best gaming performance CPU you can buy only if you take the average segments ! 7950x3d is faster and 13900ks with 7200 ddr5 is faster in 1440 p and 4K
Hey, PC Centric, why don't you make a video about the AMD CPUs blowing up and catching on fire fiasco,
But I know why you won't because u are an AMD fanboy, but you are quick to make a video bashing intel, and their Q1 losses.
PC Centric is a biased channel.
UNSUBSCRIBE NOW!!!!!!!
@@lalicdalibor1367 believe what you want to believe, doesn't make it true.
@@SwingArmCity But it is true though. 🤷
@@lalicdalibor13677950x3d and 13900k are not better for gaming, they both literally get beaten by the 7800x3d via benchmarks. It has something to do with the 8 core setup which games prefer.
I'm a 7600 guy all the way. Realistically, a 7600 performs near 5800x3d level and not too far off 7800x3d level. You could even buy one right now for $220 with a free 5200 16 gb ddr5 ram.
Agreed, I got one in a motherboard bundle. Great value.
@@redrock425 That's great too. It was either that or the ram. I wanted to wait until the motherboard prices becomes viablle
I have the same CPU, the only reason 5800X3d was great, was people with older CPUs like 1700X were able to get a substantial performance increase, by just swapping the CPU. This is not the case for 7000 if you ask me. 99% are better off with 7700x or lower, those %0.1 lows are also bullshit, a game like Jedi Survivor has stutter every now and then and no CPU can fix that.
@@redrock425where did you buy the bundle?
link?
Bought the 7700X and MATX Gene board back in November thinking I would upgrade to the X3D chip later on. The uplift is not enough for me to do it. I’ll wait for the 8000 series I think.
What's your GPU?
@@jswizzy629 I have quite a few so I swap around. It’s currently with a 3080 in the Jonsbo D31 white case with front LCD.
Been looking at upgrading to 7800x3d from my Am4 platform with 5800x3d but at 4k theres no noticeable difference when using my 4080 so will wait for the next gen x3d chips 👍👍
How about 1k or 2k?
@@jodiepalmer2404 I dont play at them resolutions so it wont affect my decision
I don't think this answer the fundamental question though. Is pairing a 7700X with a $800 GPU better than pairing a 7800X3D with a $700 GPU? There are instances where the 7800X3D will offer a benefit thanks to the 3D-Vcache, but in some games it doesn't. Whereas, having a faster GPU will give you a performance boost in all games all the time over a slower one.
My philosophy is to get the most you can in your budget towards CPU initially, since most games will be fine with either configuration, but having a more solid platform for the whole system allows you to do the leapfrog of 3 years, GPU upgrade, 3 years more CPU upgrade, GPU, CPU, GPU, CPU like that with more average performance over time that buying midrange systems whole cloth every 4-5 years. If $100-150 more on CPU allows you to stretch multiple more years out of it, you're saving money.
@@CyberneticArgumentCreator i think it depends on what resolution you are aiming for 1080p maybe a stronger cpu, but 1440p and above the gpu becomes more important. So I’d take a faster gpu all day with a weaker cpu ( for gaming of course) because I aim for at least 1440p
@@CyberneticArgumentCreatorabout to build my first PC (console gamer) to game and stream. The task has sent me down a rabbit hole. I probably won't upgrade for years but you make it sound like a must? Or an obsession? Are there meetings to stop upgrading if I grow a problem?
The big gains with the x3D come from virtual reality under heavy loads. There is improvement in most games on the x3d lineup but it’s going to be aligned more to frame latency which is mostly noticed in vr applications.
@Thomas Shears it has to do with the limitations that were poorly implemented if you want to get a 7000 x3d chip give it a month and update the bios asap,
I annot find anny benchmarks about vr about the 5800x3d or this 7800x3d chip. Cos it seems every simracer wants a 5800x3d for iracing and ac. So wat is this frame latecncy doing exactly? And is it less noticeble then having a lower fps cap in vr cos u pull less frames?
I went for the 7600 plus a B650 Gaming X AX for £349. Planning to drop in a 7800X3D or 8800X3D once they have dropped in price. The 7600 is plenty right now for gaming.
The 8800X3D is not even out yet Spartacus.
@@ZackSNetwork Man you are really smart aren't you?
@@Dreamz664 he is a very special individual indeed
Hi upgraded from 7600 to 7800X3D now, waiting 2 years for 100£ discount ain't worth it for me.
Will 7600 bottleneck 4090
I would get the 7800X3D if it didn’t already have a 7700X. I play 4K with a 4080 so the gains aren’t enough to justify a whole new CPU. But if I do need another in the future it’ll be a 3D one.
I do have a 7700x and did upgrade to a 7800x3d. The improvement is obvious and still keeping the 7700x until the 8800x3d comes out. I like to have back up computer parts incase my main rig goes down. I also have multiple PCs in the house, mainly for my kids. Nice having the backups in case their computers take a dump.
@@christopherp.1391 my other 2 computers are AM4 so there’s not much backup I can get from them. Lol. And when I get my new TV I might end up changing, but right now I’m capped at 60Fps and can hit it pretty easily in most games I play.
Hey, PC Centric, why don't you make a video about the AMD CPUs blowing up and catching on fire fiasco,
But I know why you won't because u are an AMD fanboy, but you are quick to make a video bashing intel, and their Q1 losses.
PC Centric is a biased channel.
UNSUBSCRIBE NOW!!!!!!!
@@christopherp.1391 The difference is not obvious at 4K at all. In fact it depends on what game your playing for the 7800x3d to even take the lead in performance. Not all games benefit greatly from extra cache. The majority of games just want high IPC and clock speeds.
@@anthonyholmes5965 That sucks man you have such an amazing PC and the bottleneck is your old garbage TV your using as a monitor.
at higher resolutions, it doesnt seem worth it over the 7700x. i wonder what the difference is when running video cards that are mid level like a 7800xt or 4070ti.
@@rozzbourn3653 exactly save money on cpu spend it on better gpu.
That is the question.
Love your vids, you're the reason im building my pc in 2 days. Thanks pc centric
Ive got a r7 7700x with a 4070ti and its a beast !
I got the 7800X3D for my PC. Should be getting it in the next few days. Looking forward to it.
CPU is good no doubt. But i totally agree with that nonsense "future proofing" statement. Over many years in PC gaming i learned - never buy anything for "future proofing", don't lie to yourself, because probably you will upgrade the whole system anyways in the future.
I got the 7 7800x 3D after watching your videos and thanks loving it good choice for my first build.
I bought 5800x3d much cheaper and safer option. All great tho
My 7800x3d arrived today cant wait to install it 🎉
Remember to update your bios 👍
Ordering my X3D very soon, so excited.
How would this build handle streaming and content creation with the 7700x?
perfectly fine, gaming or not gaming it is pretty strong so you can easily stream with it
Im getting the 7700x with the 4070 Ti 💪🏼
me too 😊
2more days to wait...
@@VeNoM62500 ayyy nice bro, its definitely worth it mate!
@@thomasebbs8506 any bottlnecking with this build? witch resolution do you play games i have 2560x1080 :/ i think i may have bottlneck in this resolution.....
I bought the 7700 x back in January when I upgraded my machine I'm not going to change. But it's good to know there's not that big a difference
I'm so glad you cover this. Was wondering the same thing🎉
Thanks for the video, now i know what to get for my first pc build 👍
BEWARE!! when using these chips make sure to have the latest bios as they have been dying due to voltage issues!!!
@Sir Wiggums just make sure bios is the latest version and check the soc voltage is not above 1.3v
@@sirwiggums No
Stop being so vague. ASUS AM5 boards are the main culprit with the 7800x3d. No need to cause wide spread psnic.
@Sir Wiggums im using ryzen 9 7900 non x its runs fine even in full load maximum temp reach only 70 degree c even in heavy load if you do PBO enable its hits only 90 degree...
im using with my gigabyte b650 gaming x ax mobo with 32gb xpg lancer 6000mhz ram
@@SwingArmCity yes i agree its fault with only asus board that's why i avoided to buy asus board. Im using gigabyte b650 gaming x ax mobo with my ryzen 9 7900
I think that was a fail for the 7800x3D. Its cache after all doesn't make a big difference for the GPU utilization. A bit, sometimes, but overall the "bottleneck" is truly elsewhere (clock speed, architecture, etc). And many fps did not change, or they changed in a completely irrelevant way (like 143 to 176). A few of those differences might look cool (elsewhere there are none), they are pretty silly, useless differences, except for very specific monitor situations. The real differences can only be seen in something like 80 vs 110 fps. And for that, again, a smaller GPU would be a more practical benchmark choice to make a buying decision about as clear as it can be.
Love your video’s!! Very informative and fun too!! What’s your opinion on the AMD and ASUS dust up? Should we go with another motherboard?
My concerns have been addressed, I will stick with my Ryzen 7 7700. I can satisfactorily play DOOM 2016 and all older versions of DOOM 3. Thanks for the nice show.
As a user of 4K monitors, I think the 7700X is more cost-effective.
Who buys a 4090 and than plays in 1080p?
What difference is better visible, 50 vs 60Hz or 100 vs 120 Hz?
So for the price, it is the 7700x all the way!
I feel that budget PC builders perhaps need to settle on being "old tech, but stable tech" more than "leading edge tech, but f'ing expensive tech which will be out of date in 12 months and was a total money-dump" tech. Being a cheap-skate PC person is to be a practical PC person. If you can pish it away and not worry, well, good for you.
7700,FE 4080,gdkill ddr5 ..6000..b650 tomahawk …SOC bios updated
7800x3D Raedon 7900XTX RoG Strix X670E-E Corsair RGB 64G 6000MHz CL 36 Ram
My Pc Build and i love it
as someone with an 8700k and 4070 ti the upgrade is tempting lmao
FYI using Reflex usually helps get some of that latency down
Were there any fires started during testing?
honest for the price performance ratio the 7700x wipes the floor with the x3d chip. not only that but its faster in pretty much everything else out side of gaming.
Got my 7700x, with x670e mobo, and 32 of DDR5 6000 RAM for $500 USD (Newegg deal). The slight performance gain from the 7800x3D isn't worth the build cost considering I got my cpu, mobo, and ram for essentially the same price as just the 3D chip. Very happy with my current rig (7900XT for the GPU). Will more than likely upgrade the CPU to the last 3D chip made for AM5 and leave it at that for a while, with maybe a GPU upgrade in 3-4 years.
literally looking at the same bundle but from microcenter. They offer a 7700x, 32gb ddr5 6000 and msi b650 for $450 or 7900x, 32gb ddr5 6000 and asus b650 for $550. Is the 7900x worth the extra $100?
@@Itzplop if you’re just gaming, then no. If you do more than game, yes. Depends on your use case. I game and consume content only on mine and it’s been killer for me. Especially since I upgrading from a aged i7 8700k.
@@mathewstewart1692 I definitely plan on doing some editing via davinchi resolve which is why i was considering it to begin with. I heard the chiplet design in AMD is why the 7700x is better in terms of gaming because of the 2 6core cpu working in parallel (7900x) vs. the 1 8core cpu in the 7700x. But considering I want to do both gaming and some workflow stuff like editing then maybe its worth? Then again it is just a hobby so maybe the 7700x is just fine for now and I can always upgrade later down the road. Coming from a 1060 3gb and intel i5-6600k
@@Itzplop I mean it isn’t like the 7700x is going to be terrible at editing. It’s still a great CPU. It sounds like you could save yourself $100 and put that elsewhere into your rig, or just save the money period. That’s probably what I would do in your situation.
@@mathewstewart1692 yea I definitely think saving the $100 is probably a good idea, now just gotta figure out which gpu I wanna put with it. I plan on doing some streaming too
I have both and I can’t say I agree with the conclusion here. You’re not going to notice the difference at all at 4K and doubtfully (at best rarely) at 1440p. Fomo is real and everything but practically speaking you’re better off with the more money in your pocket.
Would Ryzen 7 7700x be good with rtx 4070 ti super?
Happy for fast answer couse im buying in just a day or two
Tanks
i just stuck in the 7800x3d with a new mob and 6000 mhz of ram pared with a 3070ti waiting out on the 5070 at most and im happy im playing star citizen at such good frame rates, peace at mind now that i dont need to worry about anything in my system apart from the case and gpu !!its a freaking good feeling haha !!
Love your energy 💪🔋PC Centric 🤯🥳 keep up the great content and energy in your uploads 🥰.Currently using a 7950X3D for both gaming and light production work (getting my feet wet learning DaVinci Resolve atm☺). Looking at setting up 2 bios profiles …. 1x 3D-Cache die active only for gaming and 1x both CCDs active for production work.
Should i get the 7700 paired with 7800xt ? Or should i stick with ryzen 5 7600x.
For gaming the 3D chip is good especially if you have a fast GPU but if you are a content creator and light streamer get the non 3D variants
The CPUs serve GPUs to a very similar degree. It's more that the 7800x3D can crank out more (often useless) frames in games with extra CPU-demand (by somehow striking a better balance thanks to cache).
I went with the 7x3d paired with a 7800 xt oc all game with ray tracing maxed out doesn’t go under 50fps usually with higher demanded games it’s 55 to 70 everything maxed out. Very happy with my setup.
Bro what do you do with all the products you get. Do you have a store or site??
Just wondering - do you miss not having a usb port on the case? I really like the design of it, but I want to be sure I won’t feel like I’m missing out.
what gains??? Just a few percents for a lot more money
0:21 all those finger oils will affect heat dissipation. Clean it with isopropyl alcohol before applying your thermal paste and cooler.
Those few extra frames really don't matter. Save your money and spend it on a better graphics card.
Having 120 fps that looks gorgeous is a lot better than 165 fps that looks blocky or lacking detail.
True. That 1000 fps could've been 200 fps if i didn't know any better.
Can’t wait to build my first pc. I’ve had all the parts for a week. Just waiting for my case to come in. Coming from a gaming laptop I have high expectations. I’ll be using the 7800x3d with an rtx 3080 😅
Nice. Have fun.
I’m making the switch from a 13600k ddr4 setup this weekend to 7800x3d and a 12gb 3080
Hi Bro,
I am looking to buy/build a good budget-friendly PC
My current budget amount is- 600-700$
Can you please suggest which build would be better? I am confused, about Intel or Ryzen.
I am also looking for the latest motherboard & components that would support future upgrades for RAM, etc., and if I can install a good GPU on this same budget, that would be great.
Please suggest some configurations for both Intel & AMD. It's a request and please reply.
PC would be used for gaming & work
Thanks & Regards
Save till u got 1000 dollars or buy a console
5600 with the 6700xt GPU. excellent combo. under $1000.
Can't remember all cpu options but for gpu it's 6600,6600xt, Intel Arc A750 or Intel Arc A770.
If you can push further go $1000. Always the sweet spot for gaming pc builds. But if not then the gpu options above is best for the $600-$700 gaming pc
I paired a 4090 with a 7600 and reduce the wattage of the gpu until I have a good-enough framerate in the game I'm playing, Forza Horizon 120fps = ca. 38% Wattage = My whole system only draws about 260 Watts and stays very cool... For Cyberpunk maxed out and any future games , I can go to 111%. The Palit software is really good for this with the Gamerock 4090, it goes from 34% to 111% and you can save several profiles for different games. With 48% the 4090 matches my previous card, a 3080TI, which was frankly fast enough (but was less efficient and not as easily configurable)
Personally for me I would likely build in context of 2 system builds actually scratch that 3 builds using current pc as base, and 2 new units as tests with a capture card and a hdmi switch between the 4
kinda pointless comparing am4 and ddr4 and am5 and ddr5 when only using a dd4 mainboard..
same point also exists comparing 2-3 generations of gpu's starting at 8GB, 16GB and 24GB, though until we see gpu's greater than 128/256/512GB or1+TB increments ...
whilst increasing ram frequency may fix bottleneck in testing resolution and fps in a interim fashion when is quantity of gpu going to increase to fix overheads that that has plagued the igpu ndustry the last 15-20 years
I think until we start 128GB -1TB cards present in the market place it is hard to see we will be at in future because we've been needing past 24GB just to to support 4khdr, 8k, dolby vision and dolby atmos and any other high bandwidth for both FPS and resolutions you are fighting in the last 5 years see no point in graphical testing because the bottleneck has always been the quantity of ram not its speed it obtains per clock cycle
current gpu's with a graphical update to pc games of between 95-05 the current generation gpu's may be fine in running though looking just at the pc gaming of the last 5 years ever a, aa and aaa title you can name has had to be patched to run on lack of ram gpu's
looking at what it costs to scrub streaming content for streaming i wonder is what we have in gpu's at 24GB just isn't enough today let alone the future of gaming at 24GB
That joke about being insane for updating bios killed me, i never had the guts to do it myself
Im thinking bout getting 7700x with 4070 super will this be good
Yes to keep it short.
are you using afterburner or is it another software?
As of typing out this comment, the x3d is $380 and the 7700x is $350. Is it worth it to get the x3d or just save the $30 and just get the 7700x?
I have the same question. But I think I’m going to go with the regular 7700 without the X boost. The lower wattage at 65W is just what I want. I’ll hold off on the X3D until the next evolution of AM5 sometime in 2025 or 2026.
A 5800X3D can run the 4090 just as good as these.
I picked up a 7800X3D @ $349 for a 1440p build. Absolutely worth the upgrade at that price!
The question is: Which one will set on fire your system faster? irony...
is your pc setup you have in your amazon link good for both streaming and gaming cause i wanna get one but i don’t know much about pcs
lol, lesson for the burn out motherboards - don't cheap out, buy intel instead.
Are any of these CPU’s worth getting if I only have a 3070 ti? Current cpu is a i5
Yeah definitiely! I'd go for the 7700x in that case. Maybe even a 7600x
Hi Great video but i want to ask u is the rtx 3060 still worth it for 1080p gaming in 2023
go amd instead 6700xt or 6600xt cheaper and better
@@davebrush7591 thanks man im a newbie at pcs but i heard nvidia is better than amd is this real or just fanboys?
@Balan Costel 6700xt way more ram, and faster, and around the same price. You can watch a ton of videos, these fanboys are weird! More milage for your dollar.
@@marvel764 do u think i can build a pc with 6700xt and a cpu with similar performence as the 15 12400 or better for 1000 dollars?
@Sir Wiggums oh uh gaming and i had a prebuild in mind with i5 12400 and 3060 do u think i can build a better one for the same price (1000 dollars)
Just got a 4070ti for £650 and now I'm wondering what CPU to buy for this. Would a 7600x be enough for that as these are only £200 when the 7800x3d is £360. I've heard so much about the 3d v cache being amazing especially for 1% lows but not sure if its worth it for me.
I got a 4070ti myself, I can really recommend you the r7 7700x, in my opinion the best trade between price and performance in 1440p
Upgrading from an intel core i7-6700 to a Ryzen 7 7700x. Is this an upgrade or not?
its a 3x raw performance and double the fps with fps games even with like a 3070 or 3080
Wow dude we have an identical build this is so CREEPY! even the AIO and the case down to the RAM...and the shift corsair
15 fps difference before finishing the video. I went with the 7700x for my rtx4080 on a 1440p ultrawide monitor so close to 4k gaming.
how about now that the x3d is over double the price? what do i do mr.centric (pairing with a 7900xtx)
Are there any non gaming tests? I work on my pc too.
9:30 You can get constant 240+ fps or hit the 300 fps cap all the time in FIRING RANGE. But with that same gpu+cpu, the amount of fps you get on the edge sides of the map in an actual match can be less than 190 because the game will be rendering the whole map which results in a HUGE fps drop. (It's how it works in Apex Legends) So next time do your tests in actual matches instead of firing range.
What monitor is being used in the video ?
Did the cpu catch fire ?
I have a rx6800, 16gb ddr4 ram, and r5 5600x. What fps should i be getting on games like minecraft and halo infinite at 1440p/1080p settings? How do i get them max fps out of my setup?
Stand still dude
In some games you can see the grapics cards is not fully utilized.
With returnal you was fighting a heavy intense npc. No npc fight means more fps
if i had an am5 cpu i wouldnt upgrade but i go from a 3600 non x to the 7800x3d so yeah this makes more sense in future safeness
Nice comparison!
is the 7800X3D also better in applications like SolidWorks?
This falls in such a weird category, it’s s halo product if you game but it doesn’t cost halo product money. It’s not cheap overall but cheap vs what it competes with..
Possible to purchase a non RGB pc these days? I dislike RGB very much . Anyway , thanks for the video
December 2023, the price difference is down to $10 to $20
The one that doesn't explode...
Would a Radeon RX 7800 XT be a good GPU to pair with the 7800x3D ?
I whant answer as well
Hi there, in my opinion no, that CPU is way too overpowered for that GPU. It would be better matched with the R5 7600.
should I keep my 9600kf and buy a 4080 or just keep saving for a whole new system with a r7 7700x? Im aware I will be limited to PCIe 3 gen
i run 7700x with x670e and rtx 4080oc 1440p evrything max perfect set up for me will upgrade my pc in next in 10 years
Why does it look so choppy in animations? Seems like its running 20-30fps, is that just how DLSS make the games feel like, or is it because its not V-sync limited, motion blur on top of it, not running more than 60hz on the monitor? Is it because its not forced limited fps?
Is that a Ryzen thing or what?
I genuinely want to know why several hundreds of FPS looks like this in your setup.
Which aio were you using for this build
That look like a Deepcool LT240
Best content creator are you... Best person buddy..🎉 good job keep it up..❤❤
Don't understand the upscaling at 1440p. That will skew results to the X3D as that CPU will give you better 1080p results which you should never run on a 4090.
There's no reason not to use DLSS quality, it's free FPS and the quality is indistinguishable at 1440 and 4k
@@PcCentric While that may be true. To the CPU it is the same as running the game at 1080p and then the GPU upscales it. Therefore, for a CPU test it should not be used.
@@PcCentricdlss quality is very noticeable even at 4k.
AM4 with 5800X3D + RTX 4080 perfect combo for 3440x1440. Will skip AM5.
Did you build your pc now?
@@nikarexviashvili1098 Already had the AM4 plattform with 3700x an upgraded to 5800X3D in 2022. If you plan to build a new plattform i would go with AM5, because AM4 is end of life.
@@MiamiCon my budget is around 1000 usd. I could build pc without gpu and after add it, cuz i have an old one
@@nikarexviashvili1098 It depends. What resulution will you use for gaming? 1080p / 1440p / 3440x1440p UWQHD / 2160p?
And do you already have a case / PSU / SSD or M2.? You only need a motherboard / CPU / DDR5 memory? Then i would go with:
- AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
- Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX
- 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws S5 DDR5-6000 DIMM CL30 Dual Kit
I'm trying build my first pc and still cant decide which one for me I'm planning on getting a
"AMD Radeon RX 7600 XT Steel Legend Overclocked Triple Fan 16GB " graphics card which would you recommend me to go with? any feed back would be much appreciated (:
7600/7600x/7700 is more than enough for your graphics card, and the money you save now you can use in later years for more newer upgraded cpu
What monitor is this ?
Hey what motherboard should I buy for 7 7700x?
Hear me out 7800x3D vs ryzen 9 7900x because the 7900x is still cheaper but you get more cores and threads, what's better value wise?
Depends, if you actually need more cores than get a CPU with more cores
dont make this mistake and get the 7900x, I did the same and thought 5900x was better value then the 5800x3d oh boy was i wrong..
Great man, can you share or build a PC with the highest quality of every part [inclusive of best largest monitor available] without regards to cost? I mean maximum possible capacity gaming desktop for architects with up to 128GB (or more) of RAM.
i get panicked when i see how the gpus are moving on the table ready to fall down :D
Shouldn't you be doing cpu benchmarks at 1080p to remove gpu bottlenecks? when you test at 4k the gpu is doing most of the work here and DLSS is lowering the resolution too.......
No, because gaming at 1080 with a 4090 would be silly and unrealistic. This is real world testing