Perhaps Nobara is the right way to go for you. It's based on Fedora but it's streamlined for gaming. Just a thought. Some people consider it "bloated" to those people I say to get help.Also yes I am biased, i love Nobara. I am on Nobara right now.
Cant collaborate with OpenOffice/LibreOffice in 1 document. Cant enforce confidentiality labels through administrative policies automatically detecting Passport/ID documents and enforcing security standards. LibreOffice and OpenOffice are seriously lacking and do not provide the environment needed for a secure workspace. DLP(Data Loss Protection) is not possible with those software packages. Seriously those tools are not meant for enterprise environment. Until linux allows for those controls to be centrally set i wont suggest any one to use it within their enterprise environment as a workstation to safe guard company data. If you want to work on linux we will force you only be able to open the document in a browser that opens a Microsoft environment. Linux is good for server environment running as backbone. As a Sysadmin/Network admin i have to adhere to safety standards and many big corporate companies that give out workstations to their employees simply cannot switch because Linux does not provide those security controls that we as sysadmin have to set.
i dont like havin a million distros i want 1 linux 4 everything . EPIC failure on ur part to even mention that its nice to have alot of distros. 3) Ziron is fine but needs more improvement.
@@adamtajhassam9188 why would that be an Epic failure and what's the problem with many different distros? Just choose a popular one if you want to go that route, let people enjoy things.
Because normal people don't us an OS, they use applications. As long as the OS works somewhat familiar, doesn't cost too much, and doesn't get in the way of running said applications, normal people don't care one-bit which OS their device has.
Indeed. I've also noticed people know the applications they use better than the OS. Many times I've asked clients which version of Windows they use, then they say "365" or "2012" because they are referring to MS Office, not Windows. That's why I started my parents on LibreOffice, Thunderbird and Firefox years ago. Once Windows 10 support expires, they are both getting Debian.
People stick with what is given to them when they get their new pc. If they had more pc's that came with a linux distros, more people would have linux and would talk more about it. But Laziness.
It would be interesting to see an OEM selling configured linux as an option for their pre-built systems and see whether any mainstream attachment occured.
Part of the problem I feel is that people recommending Linux overcomplicate it for the average person. I've seen many "Install Linux Super Easy" videos still talking at length about kernels, the terminal, distros, desktop environments, package managers, etc., which scares away casual users (who would otherwise have no problem using Linux because their needs are so simple), something very rarely found in Windows/MacOS tutorials. The average user is also used to Windows/MacOS making the choices for them and otherwise staying out of the way, so the huge amount of options with Linux is intimidating, especially when guides spend minutes listing off 20 different distros. Ultimately if you want more average people using Linux, you'll need to make most of the decisions for them and keep everything very basic (choose a distro for them and provide a direct link to it, show them exactly how to set everything up, avoid using the terminal as much as possible, avoid talking about anything that isn't strictly necessary, etc).
I also want to not use the word scare. It adds fuel to the Linux user elitism. I’d say put off. They decide it’s not worth their energy. To be honest, more times than not, it isn’t. Edit: there’s a lot of people with a lot of know how is Linux. Including software devs who may work primarily on Linux at work. But a lot of them don’t use Linux for their personal computer. It’s not scare away. It’s a choice. Linux really lacks decent software. Take any basic app. Apples default photos app. Can you honestly say that shotwell and its replacements don’t feel like they’re from the mid 2000s. The amount of time shotwell, gnome phots have crashed on me. Basic trackpad gestures don’t work on a lot of these apps. We can act intelligent and claim we’re better than the rest but often, we’re the problem and too stupid to see it. In this case, i personally after having used linux for so many years, no longer use linux. I don’t trust it with my personal photos and data. I want that stuff to stay there for decades. I want the software to help me. Not the software to help me fix the software. After getting basic trackpad gestures working, theming to look decent, basic hardware issues like resolution scaling. I shouldn’t have to know the word grub. Grub shouldn’t need me to know the word grub. If i want to, i’m welcome to learn it. But I won’t have a choice sooner and later using linux. Be honest. After implementing a bunch of tweaks to get basic functionality working like clipboard copying and syncing with your phone (best of luck), all of these independent tweaks will clash as changes are made with updates or by a software. You won’t be able to blame anyone. You can use linux if you like its a suitable option. But unless you’re in the minority, it’s definitely not the best option. I wish this wasn’t the case but that’s the nature of it when linux is microsoft, google, apple developers keeping it alive in their spare time. Thats the reality. That’s who writes the kernel. Also, the number of times I’ve heard command line is faster. I honestly can’t think of many scenarios where that’s true. Also consider that while you’re typing every letter and path name correctly, while remembering what you’re trying to do, you’re not able to think of the bigger problem you’re trying to solve. Command line is really useful when it is. But it’s never the better option when that’s not the case. Guis are almost always faster and no one here will really agree with me on this.
to be fair if you aren't making it complicated at least a little you are sending the wrong message, if someone isn't interested in the complexities they should stick to windows, not as an elitism thing just because they will run into less problems when they do things like google basic problems without even saying what OS they have.
Before you even get to installing Linux, the user has to answer the question, Which Linux [distro]? You can be stuck for hours, days… or weeks pondering this before you even download the image, burn it into USB, and start the install.
Very sensibly said. You won't convince the Linux crowd though, so forget even trying. Windows 11 is rubbish, Apple stuff is just way overpriced and too up it's own posterior, but Linux needs a major, major overhaul if it is ever to be more than a very small niche market. I tried it 15 years ago, and it was just ridiculous to get working well. Now it has improved, no doubt, but many apps just don't cut the mustard in 2024. I wish 100% that a truly viable alternative to Windows existed, but not being an Apple fan on any level, it just doesn't.@@ZeerakImran
Your phrase "scares away casual users" is an excellent reason why Linux has not become more popular. Until the Linux community can eliminate or minimize this fear, users will take the easy route...as remain enslaved to Windows.
The problem is, I am one of those working people that just wants to come home and not do anything, and I still use Linux. The problem for me is just time. I have so much stuff I have to do at work, that I often work long hours and dont have time to play with Linux a lot.
Linux is fine if you just need a webrowsing media player than can write a document. But it's gaming where I always hit a snag and boot windows. Been using Mint since 2016 and it's improved vastly, but just not worth the frustration for gaming so I always keep a windows install just to be able to play things, more so games I ve not yet played; the moment I feel like it. Even the steam deck hasnt done much to make Linux a hit the ground running OS for gaming.
@@anasevi9456What are you talking about? Unless you blow $70 on every brand new release the day it comes out. You shouldn't have no trouble playing 99% of the games you want to play. Granted, if the game isn't on Steam, then things require a bit more effort. But PC gamers already have to put in much more effort just to get old games to run well, so... I'm using no bara and heroic games launcher for anything that isn't on steam, and so far it's been basically zero effort on my part. But Heroic doesn't work for everyone, and although the new junk store plugin for deckyloader is awesome and seems to work more for more people, it only covers Epic Games so far. The Steam Deck is perfect if you're just playing Steam games, but anything outside of that, yeah, it's not there yet. Thankfully, some very smart people are working on a project to get Proton, which is Valve's secret sauce, to work outside of steam, which should make things infinitely easier.
@@anasevi9456 Interesting, for me, gaming is one of the few things that work better on Linux. Linux native games are a bit hit or miss, but I usually just run the Windows version via Proton instead of the Linux version, because that so far has worked flawlessly on every game I tried and I even get more FPS and less stutter than on Windows. Most of my Linux struggles are with Discord (I run Wayland on Nvidia)
The main problem is people are LAZY! At school, they should have been forced to learn to use Linux Mint. It's simple, dependable and FREE.. If people were forced to learn to use Linux in order to keep their jobs, THEY would be experts in a short time. MOTIVATION is the key....
There is a major point that is easily overlooked, since most people are not aware of it. I'm a sysadmin for several schools, and people (teachers, parents, students) often come to me with a multitude of problems, some directly related to Windows and for whom Linux would be a great fit. Even when I offer to install Linux and support them, many still hesitate, and while some can be explained by the extra effort necessary to learn something new, there is also suspicion. For most people who don't understand what open source software is and how it is created, the idea that something that is free can also be good and doesn't have a hidden agenda, is almost unimaginable. That's why when they hear about a thing that is supposed to be good, free, and they've never heard about, they react with some form of disbelief or suspicion. This is very difficult to handle since they are not even aware of it. This is even more evident when one tries to explain what open source is. Most people cannot get rid of the feeling that there has to be some form of catch.
open source =/= Linux though, "problem" with open source is non-existent support (unless paying someone somewhere), organizations prefer to spend money on investments rather than operating/servicing costs, in that regard a PC with preinstalled Windows is "free" while Linux is an added cost -_-
So why try to explain anything then? Why not just say "I can install Linux for you then; it's another operating system like Windows" and leave it at that? You can put Windows back on their machines if they come back saying they hate it.
@@boirfanman because businesses aren't like schools, you can't expect managers and CEOs seem dumb for not being able to use OS they don't know, they hate it within 15 minutes which is basically a borderline for being fired as IT tech :P
OpenSUSE user here - for 12 years. Honestly, one of the biggest issue I see with Linux it's its community. Linux community is full of "talibans" - "if you're using [place any distro or desktop environment here] you might as well use Windows!". Also the kindness and the helpfulness (I'm being sarcastic here): when a newbie is asking for help, at least 80% of the answers are different variation of "RTFM". Last but not least, the smart a**es - "I don't use editors, I use vi". Depressing... 😮💨
I've experienced that problem too, The most annoying thing for me has been the amount of times I've asked for a solution and have been told to do something else, like if you want to give me a recommendation go ahead but at least tell me what the solution to what I want to do because I may have a good reason for wanting that. If what I'm doing is not possible at least tell me first don't just say "do this actually" or "that's a terrible thing do this instead" it really pisses me off
Totally agree, I remember some years ago the hate towards Ubuntu because the ease of use and propietary drivers in one checkbox. BTW now a days Arch bros are the biggest talibans of the linux community 😆.
@@AstoundingAmeliaThere is too much truth in that statement, that’s one of the things I hate the most, is along with incomplete GUIs. Man If I’m asking on how to get an offline installers for installing and how can I use that offline to target other drive don’t harass me with using repos, Why would want to do that use a repo/store. Man I know, but even if I don’t, as you said, answer me and add that as a suggestion instead of just not answering because I may have my reasons to do what I want to be doin, so so frustrating
You're right on the first point, but for the wrong reasons. It's not people being lazy or whatever, it's just a matter of motivation. People just aren't motivated to learn about something they have no interest in. The computer is a tool, and the less complexity and barriers stand between them and their goals, the better. People will always prefer the more comfortable tool. Life evolves to be economic about resources. It's hardwired.
Exactly. My life doesn’t revolve around operating systems. I just need to do my work, play my games, and get online to pay bills and handle investments. I don’t care to fart around with the arcana and esoterica of Linux. I just don’t care enough about Linux to waste time trying to get it to work right.
People are not lazy they buy a pc it got windows or mac on it why change,they use windows at work that's good enough for them and how many of them know that linux would work on there pc.
I have been a Linux user since 2006. Mostly with Ubuntu, Debian or Linux Mint on used ThinkPads and Intel Macs. My knowledge about it is limited, but it does everything it is supposed to do. It just works and lets me use my computers without any worries about the system.
then you really don't do much besides browse the web or watch media on whatever distros you use. The problem with Linux is when you try to do more than basic office computing, and are not a wizard with your OS.
Imagine you're a medium/large software company and you're going to release AND offer support for some major software. You have 3 operating system platform options to choose from: 1. The operating system that has a major version released every year and is officially available on specific hardware. It's free for their clients to upgrade but when it comes to features, they come and go at the manufacturer's whim. 2. The operating system that is free to get with the option to pay for official support (if you really need it). It comes with a wide variety of options for their clients but with slightly different codebases and workflows for each one. 3. The operating system that comes with a paid perpetual license with free official support for their clients. The manufacturer focuses on backward compatibility and similar workflow but has a closed relatively consistent codebase. As a software company with a budget, what option are you going to put your money and effort into?
@@mercury0x0 no this isn’t a trick question. 1. MacOS 2. Linux 3. Windows This shouldn’t have been that hard to figure out given the topic of the video
Been on Linux for years now and I walked my almost 80 year old father in law through installing Linux on a laptop he has over the phone. It took about 45 minutes and he was shocked how well it worked and he told me that it hadn't run that fast in years. He went down a Linux rabbit hole after that. I also converted my mother over to it and she hasn't had any issues at all. It is not for everyone, but when Windows starts changing and doing things without your permission, people get angry enough to try any alternative.
Yes, it doesn’t offer anything that Windows and Mac already do for the vast majority of users. Yes, privacy is better, but people just don’t care enough to sacrifice their software compatibility. I'd switch to Linux now if everything worked on it. Your extra time spent getting things to work on Linux still leaves you with an inferior experience.
Cost is now a major reason. I am putting Linux on a lot of old or minimal spec laptops that can not run Windows 10, forget 11. They do not meet the minimum specs for Windows any more or run so slow as to be unusable. When I show Linux running happily, "running google" which is what most people want now, with a 'touch' of something like Libreffice for the occasional spreadsheet, on a five year old n4020 laptop, they are VERY interested in switching given their own laptop is either stuck on Windows 7 (fer real) or Windows 10 or 11 which now barely boots. Installed on a lot of machines, users VERY happy. A lot of inertia when it comes to Windows but the cost of keeping up with Windows is just too much, especially where I now live in SE Asia where culturally purchase of land and property - even to insane levels of debt - are seen as almost religious duties. (I had to do that save my marriage!) People are not so willing to spend on new tech to keep up with Windows now, especially when they use Google apps more most stuff now.
I'm a dev and I definitely appreciate that every Linux distro comes with Python, Git and the C compiler pre installed. So as a Backend, app, front end and DevOps it's a great tool because of the quantity of resources that it uses. Sure, you can code on Windows but those developments apps weren't made to be Windows native. I still use Windows but just on VM's to use some Visual Studio extensions and such it ain't no difference from native Windows performance
@@JeffSmith03there are no reasons whatsoever for why a regular person who isn’t part of a particular niche should start using Linux. OS are a simple means to an end for application usage - Linux tends to get in the way of that usage more often than not, if it can even use it.
I've used Linux for more than 15 years on my servers and all that, but I only decided to switch to running Linux on my main after the last couple disastrous Windows 7 updates (which I didn't install. yeah, back then Windows actually gave you the option) that allowed telemetry and a bunch of other stuff if I remember correctly. I actually went through with it for good once the good ol' W7 reached its end of life. A windows install have not touched my computer ever since, not even as dual boot. As for my distro, I use Debian on my main. I know, pretty vanilla, but that's what I want. Debian is just an all around solid distro.
Most Linux users I know are hobbyists. They love tinkering with computers. I did use Ubuntu back in high school, but now that my job is a 3D artist, I'm required to use other OS, because there's more documentation there, more support for troubleshooting and stuff, faster updates, so forcing myself to use Linux feels like sabotaging my own career lol
"so forcing myself to use Linux feels like sabotaging my own career".... unless you want to work at WETA or Pixar....... "Acedemy software foundation", look it up.
@@sujimayneIt really depends on your requirements. If you're a gamer it's getting better but it's not a drop-in replacement for Windows yet. I'm lucky. I can use it as my daily driver (I do a lot of semi-professional level editing for print, and website maintenance). I've used it for 10 years and don't even bother to boot up Windows and update it any more. I'd encourage anyone to try it - just work out the pros and cons, and ease the learning curve by installing your free open-source software of choice on Windows and learning it there one app/package at a time. Most of it is cross-platform.
Normal people dont have any reason to bother with linux. Its fun to tinker with and has some niche situations where it excels, but for 99.9% of users we just need something familiar that just works.
@@AstoundingAmelia Example Valgrind. Emscripten is also frontend thing and that is just pain in Windows, and they recommend to use Windows subsystem for Linux. There is also million repositories in Github, very interesting software (like AI superresolution, video enchancement etc.) and they are just much easier to get up and running in Linux based OS. Windows is just garbage when building C/C++, because origin of C is in unix. Whole damn ecosystem of released source and developers are very much using unix like systems.
People not wanting to put in the effort is understandable. Many people have long hours of work and very limited amount of free time. And some of them are on jobs that doesn't require you to be expert on pcs, meaning it will take even more time to figure things out. All of that can lead to a very frustrating experience when you just want your pc to work so that you can use it in those limited free time of yours.
yeah it's crazy how Linux transformed old laptops into feeling like new. I have it on everything now, I can only imagine it getting even more powerful in the future thanks to ChatGPT with bash/terminal.
There's just not a lot of benefit for the average person to learn to use Linux. And even where switching requires little, the benefit is almost entirely ideological, rather than practical.
That's what I noticed. Switching to Linux didn't buy us any benefits other than saving on a few Windows licenses. Linux felt like a dumbed-down version of Windows that was incompatible with most of the software and tools we needed. The only way around it for us was to run Windows in a VM on Linux, which was nuts, actually. Linux was the most unstable desktop system I've ever encountered. I believe it was a version of Ubuntu.
@@seeibe If you think Linux has never had surreptitiously created backdoors or via zero day exploits, you've drunk the kool-aid in exactly the way I'm talking about. You're thinking the world is just representative of your ideological stances. And for that matter, the feds don't normally make use of government demanded backdoors.
That's just the perception. I like mac but it's definitely worth choosing linux over windows, if not just for the speed. Windows has so much bloat/b(ad) defaults.
New Linux user here. About a year ago I realized that my desktop and my very old Duo Core laptop were going to die on Windows10 eventually, so I decided to try Linux Mint on the Duo as a learning process. It had been REALLY SLOW on Win 10, but is much quicker on Mint, and I am actually enjoying using the terminal for many tasks...sort of like my old MSDOS days! 😁 I also have several raspberry pi's around, but the use of Mint has been the thing that has accelerated my learning process. I am having fun again!!!
Been using Linux since 2005. I’ve distro hopped to probably every distro and BSD under the sun. I’ve settled on openSUSE Tumbleweed and it’s my forever home now. Great video!
Year and half ago, Had to reinstall 3 times. longest I've had it working currently is 10 months. I mainly blame my 2 GPU setup with one being AMD and the other being NVIDIA. The AMD plays nice but the NVIDIA...
@@Stef.Cata051 The Bro, look down on the comments, everybody is commenting on what their using. and i do believe this is what people on Linux videos, generally talk about in the comments, regardless of the topic of the video. Why the hate?
@Dojobows no hate, I don't understand the scope, other than attention begging, you use whatever software you want and when someone asks for advice you can give them advice.
@goingrey9529 yes, I do agree and I understand that Linux users usually get asked what distro they use but here it wasn't the case, if I ask "hey... what distro should I use?" I would expect people to say what they're using but being like "I'm using Ubuntu" for no aparent reason shows that something isn't quite ok
I feel like it's a chicken and egg thing. The biggest reason for people not switching to Linux is lack of support. But the reason there's lack of support is that there's not many people moving to Linux.
Yeah it sadly is. The hope is that companies do realise that Linux isn't only a "operating system for nerds and hackers" that they then start to port their software to Linux - even if it is only in a test phase.
And also hardware manufacturer espicailly on laptop @@gelbphoenix as most laptop on hit or miss for linux support sadly .... including mine who is a miss but also hit a little bit (no Wi-Fi but most of my pc still work on linux
It's moving more towards Linux for one key reason. Money, People cannot afford to buy new laptops for the latest version of Windows anymore. They really cannot, especially where I am in SE Asia. Everyone is 'meh' about Linux UNTIL they cannot get new software installed on their ten year old Windows 7 machine. Fer real. I have been putting Linux on all manner of old and minimal spec laptops to keep people moving. Once they use Linux (MX Linux KDE) they LOVE IT! but they would have stuck with Windows just out of inertia but hit the issue of $$$$! If they had bought new hardware to handle Windows 10 they would have had to buy for 11 and now Windows 12 is coming and each time the minimal specs rise.... considerably. People just cannot afford it now. I believe this is the major reason (along with improved gaming) that is pushing Linux use up.
First time viewer here. I enjoyed your video very much. Using *NIX OSs since 2000. Solaris, Mepis, SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake, Manjaro, Ubuntu from the Warty Warthog till they brought out the Unity desktop, then Mint. Still using Mint @ 21.3 as my daily driver. Still tinkering with other distros for fun. Also, on ARM SBCs, Raspberry Pi OS, Armbian, Manjaro, Debian, Orange Pi OS, and PopOS.
I have tried Linux and I think it is great to bring an old computer back to life. It was fun to try something different but I have a M1 Mac and I use it. I pretty much use for browsing the web or editing pictures. I think all your points were right on track.
My introduction was with the steamdeck and I love it. Whenever I get a new PC I'm putting Linux on it. The windows file manager is just so weird and messy I can't handle it lol.
As with that entire OS, the file manager used to be decent. I don't know why Microsoft decided they needed to provide solutions to a bunch of nonexistent problems.
This is one of the first things I mention in favour of Linux - the several file managers that are so much better and easier to use than Explorer or Finder, for that matter.
@@OutLanderUSN Windows file manager has never been better. It's fast, has a clean look, supports dark mode, and has tabs. What more can I ask of it? Basically what Linux has had forever.
I use both Windows and Linux. They both have their benefits. If I had to choose just one OS it would be Windows hands down. But that's the beauty, you don't have to choose just one!
Great video! I agree with your sentiment and other commentators' views on priorities/interests. For me it started out as a hobby 1997 with RHL. I'm retired now and I'm back to using it as a hobby. Gentoo and Arch are amazing- used them daily for about 6 years. However, for dev and server admin I've found Debian to be a happy place.
Until Linux is as easy to use as Windows and has and has the game and driver support, it will never replace Windows. And the many distributions just confuses most people.
“As easy to use as windows” Sometimes it’s even easier to use than windows. Games and Drivers tend to work well out of the box. The only games that don’t aren’t worth playing imo.
"that many distributions just confuses people" and it's never going to go away. Anyone can make their own Linux distro, you just have to be substantially fed up with another distro first. If my only option on Linux was to use Gnome and put up with the Gnome Team's "vision" because that was the Linux Approved™ desktop, I would figure out a way to run OpenBSD instead lmao.
Did that, but had some BSD, Fedora and Solaris stints in between yrs back.... Ubuntu bored me with the kernel update-reboots. MX is my Stable spin nowadays.
@@xXDarthBagginsXx Absolutely, I hate Adobe but Photoshop is the best image editor by a mile. It's not even a question. But it is nice that you can make GIMP less insufferable to use.
Switched to CachyOS about 2 months ago. Love it. Some learning curve for those new to linu , but nothing major for an experienced PC user. Once you have it all set up the way you want, it's awesome. Gaming is fantastic. If you're looking to use an Arch distro, I'd totally recommend CachyOS.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that this is the first video about Linux that I'm watching, being encouraged to try it by a few friends, and I can already tell I'm about to fall in love with it. 😮
Been on linux exclusively since june 2015. The entire time on arch or arch based distros. Mainly just because of the ease of having everything in the AUR and not having to mess with repos.
Nobara (fedora by glorious eggroll) has been fucking AMAZING. Super easy to use, gaming is AWESOME on it, EVERYTHING works, zero complaints!!! Been using linux since the year 2000. LOL. Edit- Also using an Nvidia rtx 3070ti, and it works flawlessly.
When i started working in IT ( in 2000) my boss was still running a custom compiled kernel of Redhat 3 on nearly every server in-house. But in College, in the mid 90's the university I attended had a bunch of HP-UX servers all running a varied combination of v.9 and v.10. I never really got much use out of these beasts because all the Seniors were always running their projects on them. One of my favorite GUI tools to use was (and still is to some degree, especially on embedded Linux systems) is Webmin
I've been a Windows user for just about my whole teen to adult life, and only within the past two months now, have I made the jump to Linux, (Using Linux Mint, if anyone's curious)) and I've been pretty happy with the jump, as it only took me a day or two to really get used to it
Honestly, there's a few things. My experience with Linux is that it works 90% of the time, but eventually you'll run into a situation where a thing would just work on Windows but not on Linux. And its always a stupid thing you wouldn't imagine would even be a big deal. For example, I try to screenshare on Discord.... and it shares the visuals but not the audio. Apparently this happens with some distros but not others. Or getting a game to work. This can go into the "Linux requires effort" thing as often you have to jump through a million hoops to make a game work on Linux, and often it simply never will, or there will still be something wrong. I think the most annoying thing, as someone who plays a lot of PC games, is two things: First, some stuff that you can do easily on Windows is hard or impossible on Linux. Just for example, when using Dosbox I like to have multiple configuration files and different start menu shortcuts using each of those configuration files, because some games require max cycles, some require a low cycle count, some are at their best if the PC is set to tandy.... in Linux there is no way to do something like this, your only recourse is to edit the one conf any time you want to use Dosbox. The other problem is stuff in Linux can be stupidly obtuse. For example I once installed Chocolate Doom, then wondered "where do I put the IWAD files?" as the documentation doesn't actually tell you. And Linux communities online were no help--they didn't seem to understand the question and instead told me "buy the games on Steam." How the frack would buying the game again fix my problem??? I eventually figured it out, but then ran into a problem similar to the Dosbox issue, that being that on Linux, there's no way to make Chocolate Doom (or any sourceport that doesn't include a launcher by default) boot any IWAD or custom map file other than whatever it considers the default. So if you want to play anything other than Doom II, you have to have only one IWAD in the directory at a time. Again, on Windows you can solve this with custom shortcuts. In general, I just kept running into all these small quality-of-life annoyances that made Linux a pain to use if I wanted to do anything other than browse the web or watch movies.
"in Linux there is no way to do something like this, your only recourse is to edit the one conf any time you want to use Dosbox" I find this impossible to believe. Dosbox is cross-platform and has the same features "The other problem is stuff in Linux can be stupidly obtuse. For example I once installed Chocolate Doom, then wondered "where do I put the IWAD files?" as the documentation doesn't actually tell you" How is that stupidly obtuse? You just said their documentation is lacking. It's not a Linux problem.
@@Flackon If you find it "impossible to believe" then do it and post a video, I'd love to see it! As for why the Chocolate Doom thing is stupidly obtuse, its because you don't just put the wads in whatever directory the source port created for itself, which would be the most intuitive thing... instead there's some other directory it looks for them in, but it doesn't tell you where and its in a place you would never guess even exists. In fact, here's how I found out where to place the wads: I was using MAME--a program that has nothing to do with Doom--and that actually DOES tell you where it looks for rom files. So I looked at the directories it suggested and got to thinking "I wonder if one of these has a place for Chocolate Doom?" and sure enough, one did. So I figured it out.... by pure luck, because of an unrelated program. That's like solving a puzzle in a badly-designed 90s adventure... and yet its just to run Doom. .............. And that's just one of many issues I've run across. After this kind of thing kept happening, I stopped trying to play games on Linux.
DOSBox is very same in everywhere. There isn't any difference. I just copy paste conf file to every game, and run I run my DOSBox games using shortcut icon that uses game conf file. Same way like I do it in Windows. I wonder why you just don't use shortcuts if they work.
@@EdmondDantes224 Was it standard location? You should be aware that file system hierarchy is standardized. It is not mess like in Windows that is changing all the time. It is possible that documentation doesn't tell how to use computer if it is expected knowledge.
Linux uses ".desktop" files instead of shortcuts. There are GUIs that can edit those in the same way you edit a shortcut on windows. Or you can just open them up with a text editor. You put the custom launch arguments at the end of the exec field. Put your .desktop files into your home/.local/share/applications folder and they will show up in your start menus. Or you can just launch them directly from anywhere.
@@toby9999 I've never seen a Linux PC in any walk in store. The only reasons I could think of installing are if you really hate MS, maybe Linux runs better on their machine and maybe you can't afford a new windows 11 PC and aren't getting any more security updates from MS so you installed Linux
Maybe Google doesn't operate in your country? Where I live, we have here ChromeOS laptops every market. Also I've seen Android all-in-one desktop. Tablets and phones are of course running Android everywhere where I go but you likely doesn't mean that.
I've been on Ubuntu full time for over a year. I was afraid of gaming on Linux, and there was complications but with a bit of work there isn't a single game I havnt been able to get to work. I'm not a video editor, I'm not a graphic artist, I know some things aren't great, but in my experience as a gamer, it's all in all worked fabulously
@@johnking8896 EA and Sony are problematic with their launchers/services. Sony hasn't yet understood that they are not a monopoly on PC and can't strong arm the player base. Currently they seem to actively try to make their games not run on SteamDeck. Alongside the PSN requirements, they'll likely learn the hard way through lost revenue. No way I'll link my Steam account to that abhorrent excuse of a digital marketplace/service. By now it's a yearly tradition that someone carries out all the customer data. If the next Dragon Age is any indication, EA seems to have started to understand that their launcher as a requirement is failing them.
Hopped onto Garuda Linux about 4 months ago and have been (for the most part) daily driving it. Absolutely love it. Only hop into Windows now to do some gaming that isn't available smoothly on Linux and our racing sim, and for music production (just because I haven't figured out VST's in wine). Can't see myself needing Windows for anything here shortly as the Linux alternatives are either sufficient or superior for me. Mostly superior to be honest. Have discovered a wealth of fantastic FOSS software that is surprising me that I haven't heard of them before... Great stuff out there for free!
this guy here does not know anything about Linux. All chromebooks comes with Linux included. You just activate it in the setting. My 2 Risc-V pc came with Linux installed
I am absolutely loving your new Linux content. I used to watch your videos as a kid. I'm very happy to return now that you do Linux content! Keep it up, I can't wait to see your progress!
I can't even permanently mount network drives to the same location without using the terminal. Why would any non-hobbyist use Linux? The older i get and more real life responsibilities i have, the less i want to spend time googling how to do stuff. That just means it isn't for me, doesn't make Linux worse.
There are programs out there that can set network drives to automount, they essentially do what you are doing but they edit fstab for you instead of doing it manually.
@@Carcass-3332 as soon as you mention writing scripts to do some common task, you lose like 95% of the potential OS users. It doesn't matter how easy it is, no one wants to do it. UIs exist for a reason. A need to resort to scripting/terminal commands indicates the failure of OS design.
The biggest reason is the default problem. People use whatever is installed by defaut. Imagine an electronics store where every laptop and PC on shelf has Linux preinstalled. Then imagine every market did that. Then people would use it, simple as that. Some people would surely wipe the drive and install Window, but a lot of people would not.
This is the reason people just use what is on the computer they buy from Best Buy or wherever. To most people, that is the os or computer swapping just means go back and buy another one.
I bought a new computer with Linux Mint this year. Switched from Windows 7. I used Ubuntu (in a dual boot) years back, so I already had experience using Linux. Learning software that runs on Linux was the hardest thing about switching -- Audacity, GIMP, and Kdenlive.
I just started my attempts on researching Linux and getting it up and running on an Intel NUC I have lying around. 1 - The getting started part is pretty brutal. 1a) You have to choose Distro, what's a distro? Choose between Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and more. And their derivites. 1b) Different distros are for different use-cases. How do I find my own use-case and the distro that might suit that? 1c) DE? Desktop Environment? Are you kidding me, not only do I have to know what Distro of Linux sutis me, but I have to know how that one "looks" and there is several different looks. Gnome, KDE, Cosmic, etc. 2 - Onboarding is pretty tough 2a) While installing Linux the drive partition looks different. There's a lot of different SDA1 and SDA2 and so on. What? I usually just choose my hard drive and install it on that and it formats for me. 3 - I'm up and running, but I want to change things. How? 3a) Gotta learn Terminal and some basic coding to be able to fix things. 3b) Something broke, what, how? What do I do now. Where do I find help? Fuck it, I'll just reformat and install from scratch again. That's a LOT of things for most users to get through. That's a very steep hill. Not something you want to format your main computer for. While Windows 10/11 mostly comes preinstalled or is very easy to install and it looks the same for everyone. If you need help everyone and their mother knows their way around the OS and might have some sort of solution or at least a tip what to try.
Somewhat true, but the importance of these points is waaaay overstated. I can whittle it down for you. 1a - you don't need to care about it at this point. Just pick one. Ubuntu is a good start, so is Linux Mint or Zorin OS if you feel adventurous 1b - you don't need to care about it at this point. Distros can be optimized for a particular use-case, but if you didn't get that choice with the commercial OSes, why start caring about it now? Just pick Ubuntu and leave the fine-tuning for when you're more knowledgeable 1c - If you have a good tolerance for change, pick gnome, if not, pick KDE. Worry about the rest later 2 - It's the same on Linux. Instead of c:d:e: they are named sda/sdb/sdc but it's pretty much the same as Windows. Vast majority of installers offer an automatic partition scheme anyways so you don't even have to thing about this. 3 - Learning some terminal commands is always useful, but definitely not required to change things or install. Use Gnome software/Ubuntu software if on Gnome, use Discover if on KDE 3a - If you need to fix things, it means you broke things in the first place. Some knowhow of the terminal is not unreasonable to ask for. Also, don't be intimidated, the linux terminal is nowere near as obtuse as the windows command line and the basics can be picked up in one or two days 3b- search in google or arch wiki
Exactly, all this effort with linux for what returns? - like what is a normal user going to gain from all this? - as in, why would they leave Windows or Mac to have all this trouble, the main point you made is important " Where do I find help.." - this is true, scrolling for hours in old forums and some random reddit posts isn't fun. This also assumes they are tech nerds, if they are not they won't be able to cope.
1a) First you need know what you want. Just a normal requirements specification. 1b) How people usually find their stuff. Compare with the requirements specification what market has to offer. 1c) Usually desktop environment is already chosen by OS provider. Some cases you can choose what fits to your requirements. Desktop environment standardizes look and feel and native widgets so it affect your everyday utilities. 2a) It is normal unix. There hasn't been much of change past over 50 years, nothing is different. 3a) Terminal is used before we got monitors. It has been standard user interface to computers from 60s and used all this time. How do you ping to your machines without terminal? 3b) Things usually don't broke and if they do, usually turn it off and on again helps. If don't, then fix it or take it in for service. Fixing is something that every IT-guy knows and requires basic knowledge how computer works and possible google for manuals. Man pages are also existed since 1971. It mostly sounds like you don't really know to handle computers.
@@Flackon1. It doesn’t matter. The fact you already have two extra levels of «OS» is already too much for the average person to get their head around. That’s what OP is saying 2. And USB drives are? This is actually a very good point that is that Linux’s filesystem is awful. In every way. You want to find program files? You’ll find them in teh Program Files folder in Windows or the Applications folder in Mac. On Linux? Could be bin, opt, or anywhere really. Nothing about the file management system in Linux makes any sense whatsoever to a normal person Not to mention that with removable drives, you basically HAVE to rely on the file explorer to find it if you are new as finding its ID is a pain. 3. if you broke things in the first place… why did that happen? Why was that possible? Is it because «you didn’t read the manual» or is it because Linux simply is easy to break. It’s much harder to break Windows and nigh on impossible to break Mac as a new user. On Linux it’s way too easy to do something qrong
I use Linux Mint and have been using it for about 4 months now. I mainly do gaming, and web browsing. Occasionally I will do some audio, photo, and video editing. I don't really have any specific hardware and or software that I absolutely must have outside of gaming. I also have the option to boot into Windows 10 on my second drive if I really need Windows for some reason.
Software developer for almost 30 years here. So far I've migrated 3 of my old Windows computers to Linux as a security upgrade. Next year my Win10 daily driver will need that, too. Honestly, I have about equal experience with Windows, Mac and Linux on the desktop and somehow I still prefer Windows. 🤷♂️ My personal pain point with Linux is that, if you want a stable distro, you may need to jump around some hoops to install recent versions of those few packages you need that get updated all the time. Homebrew packages are no more than one week old versions, on Windows I just download the installer.
@@lucyinchat Agreed in that scenario flatpak seems to be the way to go. Another way would be distrobox but that's only for certain edge cases. One edge case is where I had to use a specific version of jdk and on my distro (Devuan 5) it wasn't supported. With distrobox I got it properly working without contaminating my system.
I mean, that is what stable means XD. Jokes aside, use Flatpacks, Snaps (I feel dirty XD) and containers (distrobox). If Security is your main concern and you feel like tinkering a little, I'd recommend you test VanillaOS 2. It is a immutable distro with gui tools to install and manage software from more bleeding edge distros. Also, I have to point out the irony of wanting security and thinking that just downloading an installer is better than having repos XD.
We were forced to use Linux for work some years ago as a cost cutting measure. It was horrible. The most unstable system I had encountered since W98. That lasted less than a year. We switched back to Windows 7.
I work mainly in finance so I need at least one windows computer with full fledged Excel for modeling, etc. But I plan on building a separate Linux pc where I hold all of my personal items; photos, videos, music & movie collection to run a Plex server on and other similar stuff. I have been playing around in virtualbox with some distros like Fedora and Ubuntu in order to understand Unix commands and how it works. Linux will definitely be a big parter of my tech world going forward.
Made a job application once with a linux (free) standard file format and the response was:"we can not open your application. Please resubmit on a different format." I guess it was company policy no translators between file formats were allowed on their computers.
Most likely they use Word and can’t open odt files or don’t even know what it is. Simple fix is to send a pdf, you don’t need to send native files if they don’t need to be modified.
@@Batwam0 agreed, always send a PDF if it is some kind of application. DOCX (like it or not) is the standard format when they need to be edited, and considering that is an open source format, everything should support it.
@@Batwam0 often people wont click the file if they don't know what the extension is because they are afraid of viruses, most people also don't know you can open it other than by double clicking
Reasons why: 1) pre-installed (normies often don't do manual stuff) 2) backwards compatibility - while the kernel is fine, lots of the libraries don't allow you to run stuff from a while back.. older software expects X11 and ESD etc, where newer systems don't have compatible libraries and configurations.. score one for containers/flatpaks I suppose. 3) configurability - Linux needs someone to edit complicated text files in seemingly random locations (for normies) very specific to the hardware to achieve things... While in Windows it's usually a drop down or tick or something (energy saving on a wireless card for example). 4) ingrained software (which again uses APIs and subsystems, which again could change and stop working).. 5) reputation for being troublesome/work (I've heard multiple Windows admins saying they are preferring Linux to Windows).. 6) effort to change/learn new things..
I think the big difference between Linux and the Windows NT family (NT 3.0 through to 11) is that Windows is a purpose built GUI driven desktop operating system, and the hardware people usually use is purpose built for desktop computers running Windows. It's also fairly backwards compatible (a security weakness but a user strength), which means people can maintain the same files and games for decades. Linux is a command line server operating system that is managed through the manipulation of files. All of the tools (including the Gnome desktop) are developed outside the kernel, by respective groups. A lot of these are bundled together into distros, but in general, the more packages and software you use in a single Linux install, the more likely it is to have compatibility issues. There is no centralized support structure, so if you do have an issue, it requires asking a community (that is often hostile to new comers) or trying to manipulate text files or figure out complex command line arguments to resolve. Another thing with the business perspective; active directory makes the remote and centralized management of windows desktops a lot easier. Microsoft provides a lot of tools to control and manage your business desktop Windows installations out of the box. If you tried moving 10,000 people into Linux, you would need dedicated development teams to customize opensource software to provide similar functionality and the underlying infrastructure to support it. I think that's a big component that people miss; Linux will never replace Windows as a desktop operating system, because it was never designed to be one. The biggest distros (Red Hat) are not Desktop. It's only as supported as the opensource community makes it, and it will forever be limited to the capabilities of the Kernel. Major Kernel rewrites break everything, so it's a hard to cater to desktop gamers when the major players (and payers) are geared towards corporate datacenter applications. That's where the money is from. I think you kinda touch on it; Linux is just too much overhead for daily driving. It's great for single-purpose servers (like Apache), but you start layering on applications and complexity, it becomes a nightmare to troubleshoot. And even in the case of servers, I typically run containers or Azure platform features these days. That's not to say I don't use WSL2 frequently for specific components (like databases), but I still run VSCode from the desktop. Another thing you kinda hit on with the distros. Sometimes opensource projects just die... including Distros. You might pick something unique, but then people just stop working on it and it goes end of life after 6 months. Same with applications, you pick something like OpenOffice... then it dies off and you need to switch all your applications over. There's no set End of Life for a lot of these projects, they are open source, and when people aren't developing a project... it just disappears. In many cases, no one is being paid to commit to these projects, so an unexpected death or shifting priorities can have a huge impact.
Some things here are true but others are in error. The legacy issues are certainly true. Windows is to many co-operations as COBOL is to banking. You just CANNOT replace it. That's why I see Linux being an alternative to Windows, like Mac, rather than a replacement. Once you have 95% of the world's computers running Windows you cannot ever let Windows go even if less people then run it in the future. Active directory and stuff I largely agree. however, there are some errors especially in this artificial distinction between Linux being a server as opposed to a desktopOS. It's a very artificial distinction. For a start, the Windows NT kernel was originally a fork of OS/2 which Microsoft wrote and legally arguably 'owned.' OS/2 started off as a text only, Unix like OS, it's origins similar to Linux. MacOS is also just BSD with the Apple UI and walled garden and NOBODY thinks MacOS is anything but a desktop OS. Linux, by dint of it's modularity, can be desktop, server or device OS. It's just how it works. As it is Linux definitely qualifies by as a desktop OS: MacOS has a usable GUI. MacOS has a 'techie' backend (BSD) but nobody sees it because of the GUI. MacOS has a mass of usable software that Joe Average can use easily. Everyone agrees MacOS equals a desktop OS. Linux has a usable GUI - many - and can even replicate the MacUI (I did such recently via KDE!) Linux has a 'techie' backend but people only see if if they use a techie distro. Most distros are easier to use than MacOS, I know from painful experience of being forced to use Mac. Ow. Linux has MORE software available to use than Mac including vastly more games and the ability to run vast amount of Windows apps via WINE/Proton/Steam et al.. It’s interesting to note that I have put a Mac user onto Linux (KDE) and he agrees that KDE is a better UI than Mac and “It’s fun!” By any reasonable measure Linux is a full desktopOS. That's why I say Linux should be seen more as as a Mac equivalent than a Windows replacement. Linux is not going to replace Windows but it should be an alternative a la Mac. In terms of support running out, distros going under or whatever... private enterprise is no guarantee of survival. In fact, big business can pull the rug out from you BIG TIME. Er, see Crowdstrike. I do not see Crowdstrike surviving. The lawsuits will bury the company. Any business can go bust. IBM is not even a shell of it's former self. It's just a patent troll pretty much. At least with FOSS projects can be forked. I mean, KDE 3 continues as 'Trinity!' I loved the Commodore 64/128 wordprocessor "Superscript." Erm, I do not think it is supported now. Wordstar and Wordperfect came and went. Businesses rise and fall, so do distros. At least when something crazy happens - 'CentOS' you get Rocky and Alma. The problems with Linux adoption in the main are: Legacy, as you say, which cannot be shifted save with new businesses that start from scratch. Key apps, of which Adobe strides tall. For TH-cam creators in particular there's no moving that. Not installed by default. Not shown! People just have no visibility of Linux. There are no adverts for Linux laptops, no exposure. One other thing is this belief that Linux is oh so hard to use, it's a programmer's OS, etc, which lingers on. But I actually see that fading because the younger generation have not been reared with those myths. They do not know what Linux us at all or have seen it in school, with a proper, up to date GUI. Raspberry Pis are making a difference as well. So I a, finding less hostility towards Linux. Not huge enthusiasm, I grant, but the Google generation are only enthusiastic about 'Google' now and the coming generation is more open to Linux because they do not have this shared myth that Linux is oh so hard to use.
@@jedipadawan7023 I am not going to agree with MacOS being as usable as Windows, simply because it's absolutely dedicated to specific hardware. It also have far less software available, and many limitations. The biggest value is support, as I mentioned with distros, is vendor provided and not locked into communities and open source. Much like Red Hat vs. Windows Server. This is where embedded devices rule as well, IOS, Consoles, Android... I also disagree with it being a 'programmer' OS. I see it as a 'program' OS (a server), but most 'programmers' I know use Windows to actually write code, in applications like VSCode or Visual Studio, and just publish to Linux systems.
@@churchking2527 The key point is that it is AGREED that Mac OS is a desktop OS. By any definition of Desktop OS that includes MacOS Linux is also a 'desktop OS. That's my main point. Linux has far greater software available to it now than Mac and nothing like the walled garden. Linux is a server OS but also a desktop because it can be molded. Just as BSD was molded to become MacOS. "Same difference."
@@jedipadawan7023 MacOS is an appliance more than a Desktop OS. It's a purpose built machine with a customized operating system, significantly different from the PC market. Linux has a lot of software available, but it also has a lot of abandoned software available... I think he highlights this a bit in the video. The bigger name products aren't on Linux, or they don't work quite as well as Windows. A big reason being that Desktop hardware (specifically consumer desktop hardware) is purpose built around a Windows desktop ecosystem (which you could argue in a bit of a monopoly). When you get more into Server hardware, you start to see datacenter equipment that's purpose built for Red Hat, ESXi, OpenShift, OpenStack, mainframe... many other purpose-built Linux/Unix distros. I find Linux is a purpose driven OS, it excels at doing one thing well. It has custom modules that make it function better as a desktop ecosystem, like Gnome as a desktop GUI, for example. But you still have the same opensource problem. The Kernel and the GUI are two different products, both maintained by different groups of people. So when a distro like Ubuntu decides to completely drop the Gnome desktop in favour of Unity and breaks your entire desktop ecosystem, it's pretty off putting. Or when CentOS replaced MySQL with MariaDB. Or when Red Hat decides to replace basic commends like net-tools with ip. it never ends in Linux. In a server ecosystem, you typically don't just upgrade Red Hat on the same hardware, you throw the baby out with the bath water and rebuild new. On Desktop, it's a lot harder to maintain a system built on OpenSource software that has a 9 month lifecycle.
@@jedipadawan7023 " Windows is to many co-operations as COBOL is to banking. You just CANNOT replace it." Of course it can be replaced. It is even better to avoid everything that is non-standard to make it easier. It is also normal to rewrite old rotten software to modern standards. We have seen that there are rotten software in Windows that prevents upgrading Windows to new version. That is caused by lack of software maintenance.
I use MXlinux on an old 10" lenovo tablet (with a low power quad core atom) - works great for videos and light web browsing without the overheads of a windows OS. Also trialing Kubuntu on a spare laptop to see how it goes with daily tasks. Most of what I need is either web based, office files, and video playback - all of which are handled fine in a modern linux distro... I think a lot of us with several PC's will still keep a windows PC for some tasks for quite a while though.. the compatibility on obscure applications and mainstream productivity is just always there to fall back on.
Installed Linux Mint 22 Cinnamon about 3 weeks ago on an old laptop that had ChromeOS Flex. Surprised by how much I could do with it so far! Excited to tinker with it and get a stronger device for Linux.
I use Linux Mint. It's on two of my machines. But i still have multiple window 10 machines as daily drivers. I do however game on one of my old laptops running mint via Steam.
@@MyouKyuubi That's correct. Mint Linux as the operating system with Steam running in Mint. So I missed a few commas and screwed up other stuff. So sigh... 🤪 Lol
Before I even watch this video. My biggest thing with being hesitant moving to Linux is basically just not being sure how compatible everything *I do* is with it. Can I simply play my games via Steam? Does eXoDos work with it? How compatible is it with slightly older hardware since majority of my PC is made up of older parts (By choice). By the time I got this far you mentioned "Effort" Unfortunately that's also a factor. How much Effing around will it take to actually use Linux day to day as a Windows replacement... thats me anyway
Steam, works older hardware if it isn't ancient, it works. Do all the games work on steam? Nope, can you try to make them work? Yes. In general, competitive online games don't work due to several anticheat software implementations. Does all software work? Noooooo, but tinkering can make plenty of things work. If you are keen to learn to tinker, theirs (a lot) effort and time involved. It depends on your capabilities and insight how much time that will take. If you're just a guide, follower (which is fine) you might be able to tinker a bit but don't count on having too much success. Because you lack the underlying understanding or knowledge of what it is you are actually doing and while the guide may say this (outdated not applicable etc.) it won't work. Something I recommend is having a secondary tiny pc or something where you do basic daily things on (browsing, streaming, watching videos, e-mail etc.) running Linux. For example, instead of using a smart TV with annoying and tremendously slow features and apps. Just plug in a low-power consuming mini pc with a Linux distro into it with a wireless mouse and keyboard. And use it, if you want to play games, use your Desktop (you don't need to turn on the powerful gaming pc with high-power consumption for most thing beside gaming) Later, you can learn how to run windows on/in Linux as a VM etc. (you need capable hardware, GPU's pass through multi monitor etc.) but this goes to expert level knowledge in most cases.
Here’s a big thing that you’re missing, it’s not that people are extremely lazy, it’s more accustom to using Windows laptops, because here’s the thing, how many laptops do you know that on store shelves and say like Best Buy and Walmart, come preinstalled with Linux? Excluding Chromebooks, name me one brand, that’s on a Walmart shelf right now, that sells with Linux installed out of the box. At the end of the day, a lot of people like me who are musicians, creative writers, and artist simply want a platform that works no matter what we do. We don’t care to try and fix the problem. We prefer having someone else solve our problems with the machine.
Notebooks are the worst thing to use as a means of evaluating Linux compared to a desktop system. They're literally proprietary from the ground up, from the design and layout of the motherboard to all the integrated devices that are used. Dell literally sells notebooks that have Ubuntu pre-installed. As to whether those are sold in Walmart, I don't know because I haven't been in a Walmart in years.
One counterpoint I would make is Office. A lot of workplaces are moving to Google Docs and Office 365, which are browser-based tools that work great in Linux (at least until Google and MS decide otherwise). So, if your workplace is on either of those you might not have any issues.
I think a lot of it has to dealing with the unknown. If you have used Windows since oxygen was invented and are not sure you have the skills nor the knowledge to figure out what might be causeing problems when things go wrong, Linux is scary because it is literally the great unknown.
Hey Bill, I agree with you, but what if M$ started making users do the install again ? Personally I think M$ doing a pre-installed OS to stop the piracy-thing has dumbed down the user to the point of " you don't know... So we're doing it for you". And what's left of that group that do remember, actually don't mind taking on the task of installing a Linux Spin on their PC . My Bias is .... From Grade 3 on up, .... Linux should be part and parcel of at least 75% of schools computer science courses, especially if they are going to teach the Kids to code, ... ( Think CNC, 3D Printing, etc. ). Stay Safe.
I started using Mint last November on a dual boot machine, then completely erased Windows in December. I switched to Arch this May. I have used Debian and Ubuntu to some extent before that. Switching to Linux was the best decision of my life so far.
@@V1CT1MIZED If a random internet user's choice of operating system caused so much rectal burn for you to comment like this, it might better be you that consider your life choices.
@cemreomerayna463 "best decision of my life so far" over using Linux. The choice isn't the issue. It's the fact that it's the highlight of your life. I honestly pity you, and I'd take you looking at my anus or whatever nonsense you're saying any day if it meant having better moments in my life.
Idk if that’s true. I just installed Pop OS for my grandpa and it only took about an hour from installing to getting all the software he needed on there and explaining where his icons and files were. He’s not a hobbyist, just did not want to deal with windows anymore, especially with all of their (inadvertent) spyware.
I love tinkering, But no Linux is not my thing and never was for many reasons I wont get into, but from experience, its getting better, a lot better, but not there for me yet. Tinkering is one thing, but annoying is another.
Been using Linux mint on my dell laptop for about 6 months now. Only used for general use, works great. Just upgraded from 21.3 to 22; had to use the terminal but watching a walk through video it was fine. Ive been using windows since 3.1.1 and ms dos 6.2. im not a gamer but use certain progs like any dvd, streamfab and dvd fab for my ripping purposes for Plex.
I started with Linux 30 years ago with Slackware Linux; used Red Hat and Suse alongside Windows, UNIX and Apple servers for 7 years in a corporate setting. Currently using MX Linux, Windows and macOS at home (amateur radio, games, music production/daily driver respectively). After 40 years of different operating systems, they are all the same to me.
I'd argue linux guides are better then windows guides, every time I had a windows issue, the entire first page of google would be "restart your pc, try updating, run a troubleshooter..." (none of these ever help), meanwhile on linux guides you will get the exact command you need to run to fix something, at least in my experience
Yeah documentations are great. Just copy past these 500 paragraphs into the Terminal. And maybe nothing breaks while doing it. Linux is not an option for normal people.
regarding the audio Issues you describe (latency issues?) have you tried pipewire instead of pulseaudio? I haven't had any issues on either, but supposedly pulseaudio is the more modern solution and low latency is one of it's main benefits.
I'm not sure where he got the "worse latency" information, but I have my doubts as to its validity. Linux audio definitely has its issues, but I don't think latency is on of them.
Let's be honest tho, how many windows users are creative cloud subscribers? Most people aren't using photoshop, premiere, lightroom etc. And even if you fracked it, when was the last time you used it?
Most people use something they can't have on Linux or it is too complicated to have it. No photoshop? OK, what about Google drive? What about even a simple decent audio player? They are still stuck in the 2000's.
Yeah but people consume from youtube, and all the guys posting on youtube ARE creative cloud subscribers. So everyone uses whatever their 'youtube hero' uses.
Here is a list, 1. Preconceived notions that you need computer skills to use it. 2. The number of distros make it hard to choose as there is no clear “best” distro. 3. certain apps and software do not work on Linux, in both a creative and professional setting (improving but not there) Outdated user guides with Linux hobgoblins gate keeping new users, expecting people to read a 15 page guide for a quick fix instead of giving the answer.
what i hate about linux: updates breaking my configurations, forgetting how i installed something, constant problems with xdg links friends blaming linux everytime something im using with them (games, chat apps) goes wrong separate theming for different ui frameworks audio subsystem defaults suck and i have to remember what my setup is people expecting me to be a linux wizard just because i daily drive it and im a software dev
Some of the points you bring up here does make me think "come on! WTF are we doing here!!!???". At the very least people should sit down and agree on some standards.
The issue lies in the details. Sometimes you post something like that and other people just comes along and 'why are you using distro X? Use Y instead'
Old school here - after 30+ years of using MS operating systems at work and being the guy who did the OS installs and hardware upgrades for a department of 25 writers and graphics artists I suppose I am one of the guys who does things. Being retired, I'm still building systems and years of using Linux Mint / Cinnamon desktop
I started to test Linux as a desktop somewhere around 1999, switch as daily driver in 2003. The last 9 years also in business as a fullstack developer. (SuSE, Knoppix, Debian, Ubuntu, Elementary OS, Ubuntu, Fedora since ~2.5 years)
I suggested Linux to one of my teenagers when they got their own PC and they said, "But I'm not a programmer..." The misconceptions are still strong. That and Linux distros don't have multi-billion dollar advertising budgets like Microsoft and Apple do. It's a hard slog to change people's consumed ideas (via advertising) and then get over the inertia of laziness, apathy and well worn ruts of familiarity and societal conditioning.
I think the pre installed OS issue is probably number one. Really comes down to, those who are not willing to learn how to install an OS will never try on their own. Cinnamon DE would be my recommendation for windows refugees as it's familiar. POP_OS and Linux mint are good recommendations for newbies. being based off Ubuntu most of the documentation out there will work without the issues of running Ubuntu.
We ran Ubuntu in our office for a time, and it was dreadful. Also very unstable. The thing is, Linux has been available and free for decades, but most people don't see a benefit from installing it because for most people Linux does not provide anything they don't have in Windows.
@@toby9999 rofi, tiling wm, actually responsive file management, the entire cli ecosystem. Why is my comment being banished to the shadow realm by yt 💀
So, as someone who literally worked at the company who makes chip for audio interfaces. I fully disagree on the latency. You can get great latency get convolution reverbs and less glitches than windows. People will complain about plugins but I finished mixing my album about to send it out to get master in linux. Drag preset workflow can be somewhat harder but it ids actually really good on linux to do audio. Core audio is still king and to the pipe wire defender it is not good and doesn't do a great jack emulation.
I'm using Linux since 2008. Started with Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, tried Puppy Linux, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, Sabayon, OpenSUSE, Linux Mint, Manjaro and last 12 years I'm happy with Arch Linux.
Considering the community of Linux and it's "Expert users?" Yeah, the community itself is very much arrogant and in some cases, downright toxic. Uhh... Don't think you thought this one through my guy, lol.
I fired up Ubuntu for giggles recently. Figured I'd dip my toes back in after not using Linux for like 20 years. I used to use Slackware then Gentoo for a few years back in the early 00's. Anyway, Ubuntu was looking pretty good until I tried to set individual scaling for each of my two monitors. GNOME instantly borks out with neither screen getting properly scaled. Tried every combination of settings I could think of to try to "trick" it into working. I know it's just one thing, but it's a very basic thing I haven't had to even think about in Windows for years now. Welp. Might try again in another 20 years.
Question is.... How old is your Gnome spin of Gentoo ??, Try, in the Konsol, run: Man xrandr, and do what it suggests If don't have a GUI interface for the monitor config.... But first thing to do is get rid of Gentoo and get a modern Spin of Debian, RH, Suse, or Slack...... depending again on your end-objectives. Monitor config is no longer an Xrandr or Xinerama issue
I think the main reason is distro confusion and diffusion. If there was one dominant distro that was the go to then the on ramp for users would be more straightforward. But the nature of Linux prevents this as it will always fork into many different directions. One of the opportunities for growth in Linux users would be if the public were to push governments to use more free software just to trim the budgets a little bit. If more governments did this as a standard policy and only used paid software as an exception when necessary then some companies could also start to feel some pressure. I think that there are enough serviceable options now that an argument could be made for free software as the default. That is free as in no cost to use. I suspect that some companies will offer their proprietary software at no charge to governments just to try to keep them locked in to their ecosystem. Open source would then be a good option but not necessarily demanded by such organizations.
I think SteamOS receiving an official standalone release will help a bunch for gamers, but it's still tiny steps. I do think government use is the most promising but I also fear leftpad and xz situations becoming extra dangerous.
@@stupidburp I'm from Uruguay, one of the first countries to implement one laptop per child (if not the first) and Ubuntu was dominant on those machines up until around 2013...then everything became a dual boot at first, and then they eliminated Linux altogether on the government machines and just had Windows 10 and now 11. Specially now, they are better than ever (the ones given to adults such as teachers and adult students at least) in comparison to current technology, as the original ones from 2007 or 2008 were basically toys, even by then standards. Also, a lot of government offices and schools ran on Ubuntu but no longer do, so it seems it doesn't work for everybody.
Any Linux distro can do what any other Linux distro does. They all get their software from the same upstream sources. The only difference between distros is how they package software. That and their default configuration. The config you can and should change too.
Started with Ubuntu in 2007 Now using Linux Mint on all my computers and revived my old Intel Macs including a 2009 white Macbook and a 2008 iMac.I also use MX Linux on my really old 1GB RAM netbooks.
I started digging into Linux in 2003. I started with Debian. Basically just poking around to see what Linux was all about. By 2005 I was dual booting Windows and Debian (not as easy then as it is now). Moved to Ubuntu for a while, Fedora and later on Mint... distro hopped for a while. I stumbled upon Arch around 2018. Haven't looked back. I do have a distro hop laptop that I test and play around with other distros. But since 2019, I've been Arch as a daily driver. I only use Windows at work. Last time I used Windows on my personal PC or Laptop was around 2016 (Windows 10).
After having hardware that Linux did not go well with, that's literally my fear forever until Linux sorts itself out. Spending days on a PC where the hardware was running white hot cause Linux ran it at 100% constantly, asking for help by linux users who end up arguing among themselves, or basically have you jumping through rings of fire (all the while using jargon that a newb like me had to google constantly, or ask to dumb down), - only for nothing to work and having to just scrap the entire project. I shouldn't have to gamble on whether or not an OS will "play along" with the hardware. Other than that, my dream is to run Linux. I found it quite enjoyable as an OS.
@@gelbphoenix i forget exactly when, somewhere around 2022-2023. (either late -22 or early -23. it was a toshiba satelite laptop if i remember correctly
@@spretten It could be that you picked a time where support for said hardware wasn't implemented (yet). Also sorry that you had to experience the toxic part of the Linux community. I would invite you to try a linux distro again.
@@lucyinchat depends what you mean by old or new. i bought it right around the time between win8 and win10, cause it only had a few months at best with win8 i think. ive got a desktop so my laptops dont get that much useage too, so it wasnt like worn out either
Linux still has a lot of issues which requires effort but also time. Tinkering with Linux is not how everyone wants to or can afford to spend their free time. It doesn’t mean they are stupid. Someone who tinkers with their car can call you stupid because you pay for your oil change. It’s all perspective. We all just have different hobbies and priorities. Also when you need to get work done you don’t have time for things to not work. Most professionals are using software that is Windows only. You guys tend to bring up Adobe all the time but there is sooooo much more software that is Windows only for so many lines of work.
You make a very good point as I have the same problems along with using cutting edge hardware with little to no driver support and by the time linux catches up I have moved on.
@@notjustforhackers4252 How about everything? Not every Linux App work in every Linux OS. Some apps can be installed via Flatpack. Other don't, they require the Terminal. A few days ago i tried to install Firefox via Terminal, thought sudo apt Firefox or so would be faster, because i had the terminal just open after a fresh install. Didn't work. I had to use the Software Center for the install. Then i had to duckduckgo how to fcking uninstall Firefox via Termial because the software center refused to install. Didn't know remove or delete aren't viable commands, it was the "purge" command i had to use. Then the software center could install firefox normally...... I hope the next Linux i use doesn't use the purge command anymore, instead you have to write sudo nuke Firefox to delete it.... fck Linux. And of course Arch uses completely different commands to install stuff. Linux us fun. If you consider getting angry being fun.
@@notjustforhackers4252 The first and last time I tried dual booting my work laptop into Ubuntu, my main monitor was only displaying the green channel. Everything was tinted green. Literally untouched HDMI cable, absolutely fresh and latest Ubuntu install, went into Windows and all was working again. I didn't even think this kind of software issue was possible in the year 2024. The random issues you can encounter in Linux are completely insane, before even actually trying to do anything complex. I don't have time for this kind of stuff, never looked back.
When it comes to tech in the family, people think I'm the go-to. I made the switch to Mint Cinnamon, and I struggled to get all of my content transferred without losing content. First attempt, I didn't know about needing BIOS security disabled for GPU drivers. So I reinstall to save any potential errors I may have missed. (important for later) Second attempt, I go to wipe my last drive to ready for saving space. Remember important for later? the boot partition jumped onto my windows drive I just wiped. Surprise, it's boot rescue time! I lose all my data on my Linux drive. Third attempt, KDE Plasma on Mint updates giving me a black screen boot with a cursor. Okay, I kind of like the design of KDE, can I do something like Kubuntu or something? Okay, I don't know enough about gaming to save most of my modded games on here. Finally, I'm back on Mint Cinnamon. I settled. I hate how Linux doesn't handle Vsync well, but I got my candy icon pack. I'll settle. At least it's not Windows nor MacOS. Can I imagine an average Joe doing Linux? No, using gamer terms, it's too autistic for the average Joe. It's the d**k measuring contest of OS choice somewhere between Windows and MacOS.
Maybe you want to give KDE Plasma another chance - it has great display settings, allowing you to disable vsync for games, handle ICC profiles, fractional scaling, multiple screen configurations for people with laptops and offices, and more.
@@guss77 Well, the problem I have with that now is the Plasma install on Mint can corrupt like it did before by merely updating through software manager. I have hundreds of games spanning three hard drives that have taken months to mod and run to my ideal level, so switching distros to favor Plasma is a no-go either. I appreciate trying to reach out, but in my case, it's not worth installing.
@@googletarded8300 I don't think Linux Mint even has Plasma 6, and I haven't tried it in years but as I recall (and confirmed by current internet discussions) Mint's Plasma setup is atrocious - if you can't build it yourself then you might as well stay away. So if changing to a more supporting OS isn't your thing (Fedora is great, btw - as Tek mentioned), then 🤷. One thing I expect Linux users to do - where they are better than Windows users - is to consider the options, weigh the benefits, and make a choice.
@@guss77 I think I get what you're saying, but my intent with the first comment was to show how Linux's low adoption percentage may be because it gives all these different distros, moving from Windows to it is tough for an average Joe, and it's not exactly user friendly. As for me, I still don't know to to show BC7 .dds files in Nemo or any art program without visual artifacting. If it weren't for the steam deck, the needle might not have moved so fast as far as adoption rate.
i just swapped over to arch with KDE in the past couple weeks since windows was very broken on my machine, honestly wasn't too bad to install and i enjoyed learning the hows and whys. biggest issue is actually that my vr headset doesn't work well under Linux. if windows hadn't broken near the point of un-usability i never would've took the time to swap. its really like pulling off a band-aid. now that I'm here ill never go back, but its far from perfect. effort seems to be king, you can get anything to work with enough effort, its just a question of if its worth the effort you put in. I'd only ever suggest it for someones secondary machine right now as having both options would defiantly make the learning process less grating, even mint, while easy, needs time to adjust and learn what will and wont work easily. after getting used to it id say its fine for desktop, especially thanks to the work that wine and proton respectively have put in.
Have tried to move to Linux at least 3 times (the last is ongoing and obviously failing again), every time the factors of failure were different. First time (2008) it was the failure to set up decent hardware video decoding, second (2011-2012) - inability to play games, now I am triggered by frame drops on TH-cam and ugly font smoothing. :) Yes, and the need to convert MP4 videos before adding to Davinci Resolve 😀Every time Windows just gives me better experience in what I am mostly engaged with. Which is kind of depressing, with all this AI/spying/bloatware BS we just must get off MS WIndows' needle
Every time i have tried to move to Linux is has devolved into endless Google searches on how to setup or fix something and then over to the CLI to do anything. Then God knows what blasts into the console. Yeah F that.
This cuts two ways now. Windows Legacy is huge and why much of Industry CANNOT move off Windows - no matter the abuse. Masses of businesses have been on Microsoft office since Windows 3 days and have VAST amounts of legacy VB macros. Converting them over to anything else is just... not happening. Companies would rather pay subscription charges. Lots of industries have very specialised apps coded only for Windows - Oil Drilling for instance and our good 'friend' Adobe - which will NEVER be ported over to Linux, even if Linux got 60% market share. The apps are that specialist. Lots of legacy stuff... BUT!!! for new ventures the equivalent functionality is now available elsewhere. Average Joe is now a 'wifi' and "google" user and barely needs offline apps. Once upon a time the only office suite worth having, or the public understood, was Microsoft office. But the smartphone has blown that away. Now everyone knows 'Google.' I have kids who have no idea what a file is, what a folder is and prefer to type their school homework on google docs on their smartphone than use a keyboard! Microsoft Office is almost unknown to them. So they are open to Libreoffice or OnlyOffice on a laptop. The smartphone generation are wedded to Google and not to Windows. New businesses can use google apps or FOSS and get things done. In the past the software was just not there. So legacy keeps HUGE amounts of business locked in... but lots of start ups can break out. I cite myself as one example. I mad sure hen I went independent I would be all in with Linux. Twenty years ago Windows would have been my ONLY option! With the parents, they still think "Windows, Windows, Windows" but their kids it's "Google, Google, Google." So legacy is there but it's power is not as great as it was.
I've got a $400 suite of embroidery software designed for Windows 7 that uses an obscure USB dongle for authentication. It is just easier to keep the old laptop on Windows for that than try to make anticopy authentication try to run on linux.
The big issue with Linux is that the normal user wants to have a packaged deal when they buy their computer and do not want to do some OS installation. Another issue is that there is not one Linux but hundreds versions. The normal user does not understand which distribution is the best for them. Even if they try Linux they often get the wrong one which does not suit them. A big positive step was what Valve did by their own SteamOS on their SteamDecks. They have created a packaged deal which is easy to understand and use for the normal user but still allows adjustments for the more tech-savy people.
When it comes to working with audio on Linux, you pretty much need to setup JACK-2 (there is Jack-1, but Jack-2 uses multiple CPU cores). Regular consumers can use Pulseaudio though which comes with most distros by default.
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Perhaps Nobara is the right way to go for you. It's based on Fedora but it's streamlined for gaming. Just a thought. Some people consider it "bloated" to those people I say to get help.Also yes I am biased, i love Nobara. I am on Nobara right now.
Cant collaborate with OpenOffice/LibreOffice in 1 document. Cant enforce confidentiality labels through administrative policies automatically detecting Passport/ID documents and enforcing security standards. LibreOffice and OpenOffice are seriously lacking and do not provide the environment needed for a secure workspace. DLP(Data Loss Protection) is not possible with those software packages. Seriously those tools are not meant for enterprise environment. Until linux allows for those controls to be centrally set i wont suggest any one to use it within their enterprise environment as a workstation to safe guard company data. If you want to work on linux we will force you only be able to open the document in a browser that opens a Microsoft environment.
Linux is good for server environment running as backbone.
As a Sysadmin/Network admin i have to adhere to safety standards and many big corporate companies that give out workstations to their employees simply cannot switch because Linux does not provide those security controls that we as sysadmin have to set.
I have been using Debian 12 since november of last year (2023), xfce live USB as my easy install stick.
i dont like havin a million distros i want 1 linux 4 everything . EPIC failure on ur part to even mention that its nice to have alot of distros. 3) Ziron is fine but needs more improvement.
@@adamtajhassam9188 why would that be an Epic failure and what's the problem with many different distros? Just choose a popular one if you want to go that route, let people enjoy things.
Because normal people don't us an OS, they use applications. As long as the OS works somewhat familiar, doesn't cost too much, and doesn't get in the way of running said applications, normal people don't care one-bit which OS their device has.
Indeed. I've also noticed people know the applications they use better than the OS. Many times I've asked clients which version of Windows they use, then they say "365" or "2012" because they are referring to MS Office, not Windows.
That's why I started my parents on LibreOffice, Thunderbird and Firefox years ago. Once Windows 10 support expires, they are both getting Debian.
People stick with what is given to them when they get their new pc. If they had more pc's that came with a linux distros, more people would have linux and would talk more about it. But Laziness.
It would be interesting to see an OEM selling configured linux as an option for their pre-built systems and see whether any mainstream attachment occured.
@@skachor Dell has been doing that for years, but it's almost like they don't want people to know that they have the option.
I saw it first hand when I suggested my uncle to get a Mac and he didn't enjoyed it as a Windows user despite the Apple badge.
Part of the problem I feel is that people recommending Linux overcomplicate it for the average person. I've seen many "Install Linux Super Easy" videos still talking at length about kernels, the terminal, distros, desktop environments, package managers, etc., which scares away casual users (who would otherwise have no problem using Linux because their needs are so simple), something very rarely found in Windows/MacOS tutorials.
The average user is also used to Windows/MacOS making the choices for them and otherwise staying out of the way, so the huge amount of options with Linux is intimidating, especially when guides spend minutes listing off 20 different distros. Ultimately if you want more average people using Linux, you'll need to make most of the decisions for them and keep everything very basic (choose a distro for them and provide a direct link to it, show them exactly how to set everything up, avoid using the terminal as much as possible, avoid talking about anything that isn't strictly necessary, etc).
I also want to not use the word scare. It adds fuel to the Linux user elitism. I’d say put off. They decide it’s not worth their energy. To be honest, more times than not, it isn’t. Edit: there’s a lot of people with a lot of know how is Linux. Including software devs who may work primarily on Linux at work. But a lot of them don’t use Linux for their personal computer. It’s not scare away. It’s a choice. Linux really lacks decent software. Take any basic app. Apples default photos app. Can you honestly say that shotwell and its replacements don’t feel like they’re from the mid 2000s. The amount of time shotwell, gnome phots have crashed on me. Basic trackpad gestures don’t work on a lot of these apps. We can act intelligent and claim we’re better than the rest but often, we’re the problem and too stupid to see it. In this case, i personally after having used linux for so many years, no longer use linux. I don’t trust it with my personal photos and data. I want that stuff to stay there for decades. I want the software to help me. Not the software to help me fix the software. After getting basic trackpad gestures working, theming to look decent, basic hardware issues like resolution scaling. I shouldn’t have to know the word grub. Grub shouldn’t need me to know the word grub. If i want to, i’m welcome to learn it. But I won’t have a choice sooner and later using linux. Be honest. After implementing a bunch of tweaks to get basic functionality working like clipboard copying and syncing with your phone (best of luck), all of these independent tweaks will clash as changes are made with updates or by a software. You won’t be able to blame anyone. You can use linux if you like its a suitable option. But unless you’re in the minority, it’s definitely not the best option. I wish this wasn’t the case but that’s the nature of it when linux is microsoft, google, apple developers keeping it alive in their spare time. Thats the reality. That’s who writes the kernel. Also, the number of times I’ve heard command line is faster. I honestly can’t think of many scenarios where that’s true. Also consider that while you’re typing every letter and path name correctly, while remembering what you’re trying to do, you’re not able to think of the bigger problem you’re trying to solve. Command line is really useful when it is. But it’s never the better option when that’s not the case. Guis are almost always faster and no one here will really agree with me on this.
to be fair if you aren't making it complicated at least a little you are sending the wrong message, if someone isn't interested in the complexities they should stick to windows, not as an elitism thing just because they will run into less problems when they do things like google basic problems without even saying what OS they have.
Before you even get to installing Linux, the user has to answer the question, Which Linux [distro]? You can be stuck for hours, days… or weeks pondering this before you even download the image, burn it into USB, and start the install.
Very sensibly said.
You won't convince the Linux crowd though, so forget even trying.
Windows 11 is rubbish, Apple stuff is just way overpriced and too up it's own posterior, but Linux needs a major, major overhaul if it is ever to be more than a very small niche market.
I tried it 15 years ago, and it was just ridiculous to get working well. Now it has improved, no doubt, but many apps just don't cut the mustard in 2024.
I wish 100% that a truly viable alternative to Windows existed, but not being an Apple fan on any level, it just doesn't.@@ZeerakImran
Your phrase "scares away casual users" is an excellent reason why Linux has not become more popular. Until the Linux community can eliminate or minimize this fear, users will take the easy route...as remain enslaved to Windows.
The problem is, I am one of those working people that just wants to come home and not do anything, and I still use Linux.
The problem for me is just time. I have so much stuff I have to do at work, that I often work long hours and dont have time to play with Linux a lot.
Linux is fine if you just need a webrowsing media player than can write a document. But it's gaming where I always hit a snag and boot windows. Been using Mint since 2016 and it's improved vastly, but just not worth the frustration for gaming so I always keep a windows install just to be able to play things, more so games I
ve not yet played; the moment I feel like it. Even the steam deck hasnt done much to make Linux a hit the ground running OS for gaming.
@@anasevi9456What are you talking about? Unless you blow $70 on every brand new release the day it comes out. You shouldn't have no trouble playing 99% of the games you want to play.
Granted, if the game isn't on Steam, then things require a bit more effort. But PC gamers already have to put in much more effort just to get old games to run well, so...
I'm using no bara and heroic games launcher for anything that isn't on steam, and so far it's been basically zero effort on my part. But Heroic doesn't work for everyone, and although the new junk store plugin for deckyloader is awesome and seems to work more for more people, it only covers Epic Games so far.
The Steam Deck is perfect if you're just playing Steam games, but anything outside of that, yeah, it's not there yet. Thankfully, some very smart people are working on a project to get Proton, which is Valve's secret sauce, to work outside of steam, which should make things infinitely easier.
@@anasevi9456 Interesting, for me, gaming is one of the few things that work better on Linux. Linux native games are a bit hit or miss, but I usually just run the Windows version via Proton instead of the Linux version, because that so far has worked flawlessly on every game I tried and I even get more FPS and less stutter than on Windows.
Most of my Linux struggles are with Discord (I run Wayland on Nvidia)
@@anasevi9456isnt the steamos a linux distro
The main problem is people are LAZY!
At school, they should have been forced to learn to use Linux Mint. It's simple, dependable and FREE..
If people were forced to learn to use Linux in order to keep their jobs, THEY would be experts in a short time.
MOTIVATION is the key....
There is a major point that is easily overlooked, since most people are not aware of it. I'm a sysadmin for several schools, and people (teachers, parents, students) often come to me with a multitude of problems, some directly related to Windows and for whom Linux would be a great fit. Even when I offer to install Linux and support them, many still hesitate, and while some can be explained by the extra effort necessary to learn something new, there is also suspicion.
For most people who don't understand what open source software is and how it is created, the idea that something that is free can also be good and doesn't have a hidden agenda, is almost unimaginable. That's why when they hear about a thing that is supposed to be good, free, and they've never heard about, they react with some form of disbelief or suspicion. This is very difficult to handle since they are not even aware of it. This is even more evident when one tries to explain what open source is. Most people cannot get rid of the feeling that there has to be some form of catch.
That mostly comes from the old saying, “If is too good to be true, then it is not true”
open source =/= Linux though,
"problem" with open source is non-existent support (unless paying someone somewhere), organizations prefer to spend money on investments rather than operating/servicing costs, in that regard a PC with preinstalled Windows is "free" while Linux is an added cost -_-
So why try to explain anything then? Why not just say "I can install Linux for you then; it's another operating system like Windows" and leave it at that? You can put Windows back on their machines if they come back saying they hate it.
@@boirfanman because businesses aren't like schools, you can't expect managers and CEOs seem dumb for not being able to use OS they don't know, they hate it within 15 minutes which is basically a borderline for being fired as IT tech :P
@@boirfanman, because Linux is nothing like Windows, there are so many different versions of Linux, where as Windows is just Windows.
OpenSUSE user here - for 12 years.
Honestly, one of the biggest issue I see with Linux it's its community.
Linux community is full of "talibans" - "if you're using [place any distro or desktop environment here] you might as well use Windows!".
Also the kindness and the helpfulness (I'm being sarcastic here): when a newbie is asking for help, at least 80% of the answers are different variation of "RTFM".
Last but not least, the smart a**es - "I don't use editors, I use vi".
Depressing... 😮💨
I've experienced that problem too, The most annoying thing for me has been the amount of times I've asked for a solution and have been told to do something else, like if you want to give me a recommendation go ahead but at least tell me what the solution to what I want to do because I may have a good reason for wanting that. If what I'm doing is not possible at least tell me first don't just say "do this actually" or "that's a terrible thing do this instead" it really pisses me off
Totally agree, I remember some years ago the hate towards Ubuntu because the ease of use and propietary drivers in one checkbox. BTW now a days Arch bros are the biggest talibans of the linux community 😆.
vi =:q! vim =:qw
@@AstoundingAmeliaThere is too much truth in that statement, that’s one of the things I hate the most, is along with incomplete GUIs.
Man If I’m asking on how to get an offline installers for installing and how can I use that offline to target other drive don’t harass me with using repos, Why would want to do that use a repo/store.
Man I know, but even if I don’t, as you said, answer me and add that as a suggestion instead of just not answering because I may have my reasons to do what I want to be doin, so so frustrating
i dont use vi i use nano.
You're right on the first point, but for the wrong reasons. It's not people being lazy or whatever, it's just a matter of motivation. People just aren't motivated to learn about something they have no interest in. The computer is a tool, and the less complexity and barriers stand between them and their goals, the better. People will always prefer the more comfortable tool. Life evolves to be economic about resources. It's hardwired.
This
Exactly. My life doesn’t revolve around operating systems. I just need to do my work, play my games, and get online to pay bills and handle investments. I don’t care to fart around with the arcana and esoterica of Linux. I just don’t care enough about Linux to waste time trying to get it to work right.
People are not lazy they buy a pc it got windows or mac on it why change,they use windows at work that's good enough for them and how many of them know that linux would work on there pc.
Exactly.
That’s the exact definition of laziness fella.
I have been a Linux user since 2006. Mostly with Ubuntu, Debian or Linux Mint on used ThinkPads and Intel Macs. My knowledge about it is limited, but it does everything it is supposed to do. It just works and lets me use my computers without any worries about the system.
Ubuntu in the 2010s without worries? Only if you reinstall your whole system for every major release.
then you really don't do much besides browse the web or watch media on whatever distros you use. The problem with Linux is when you try to do more than basic office computing, and are not a wizard with your OS.
@@anasevi9456I'm pretty much exclusively gaming on Linux now, and I am by no means a wizard. I can confirm it's been pretty painless so far.
Thinkpads were one of the few lines of notebooks that had complete Linux support on them. Goes back to the days when IBM made them.
A newbie Linux mint user since 3 months ❤
linux mint is great, especially LMDE , debian edition instead of Ubuntu based. I love it so far, but regular LM is also good
Imagine you're a medium/large software company and you're going to release AND offer support for some major software. You have 3 operating system platform options to choose from:
1. The operating system that has a major version released every year and is officially available on specific hardware. It's free for their clients to upgrade but when it comes to features, they come and go at the manufacturer's whim.
2. The operating system that is free to get with the option to pay for official support (if you really need it). It comes with a wide variety of options for their clients but with slightly different codebases and workflows for each one.
3. The operating system that comes with a paid perpetual license with free official support for their clients. The manufacturer focuses on backward compatibility and similar workflow but has a closed relatively consistent codebase.
As a software company with a budget, what option are you going to put your money and effort into?
They make their major software run in browser, put the code run in Linux container and run it on every client.
All three of these describe various options for Linux.
Is this a trick question?
1. Rocky / CentOS
2. Canonical / ubuntu
3. Redhat
@@mercury0x0 no this isn’t a trick question.
1. MacOS
2. Linux
3. Windows
This shouldn’t have been that hard to figure out given the topic of the video
Been on Linux for years now and I walked my almost 80 year old father in law through installing Linux on a laptop he has over the phone. It took about 45 minutes and he was shocked how well it worked and he told me that it hadn't run that fast in years. He went down a Linux rabbit hole after that.
I also converted my mother over to it and she hasn't had any issues at all. It is not for everyone, but when Windows starts changing and doing things without your permission, people get angry enough to try any alternative.
good on ya, converted my parents over too
The real reason is that most people don't have reason to start using Linux.
Yes, it doesn’t offer anything that Windows and Mac already do for the vast majority of users. Yes, privacy is better, but people just don’t care enough to sacrifice their software compatibility. I'd switch to Linux now if everything worked on it. Your extra time spent getting things to work on Linux still leaves you with an inferior experience.
Cost is now a major reason. I am putting Linux on a lot of old or minimal spec laptops that can not run Windows 10, forget 11. They do not meet the minimum specs for Windows any more or run so slow as to be unusable. When I show Linux running happily, "running google" which is what most people want now, with a 'touch' of something like Libreffice for the occasional spreadsheet, on a five year old n4020 laptop, they are VERY interested in switching given their own laptop is either stuck on Windows 7 (fer real) or Windows 10 or 11 which now barely boots.
Installed on a lot of machines, users VERY happy.
A lot of inertia when it comes to Windows but the cost of keeping up with Windows is just too much, especially where I now live in SE Asia where culturally purchase of land and property - even to insane levels of debt - are seen as almost religious duties. (I had to do that save my marriage!) People are not so willing to spend on new tech to keep up with Windows now, especially when they use Google apps more most stuff now.
I'm a dev and I definitely appreciate that every Linux distro comes with Python, Git and the C compiler pre installed. So as a Backend, app, front end and DevOps it's a great tool because of the quantity of resources that it uses. Sure, you can code on Windows but those developments apps weren't made to be Windows native. I still use Windows but just on VM's to use some Visual Studio extensions and such it ain't no difference from native Windows performance
Not knowing reasons doesn't mean not having reasons
@@JeffSmith03there are no reasons whatsoever for why a regular person who isn’t part of a particular niche should start using Linux. OS are a simple means to an end for application usage - Linux tends to get in the way of that usage more often than not, if it can even use it.
I've used Linux for more than 15 years on my servers and all that, but I only decided to switch to running Linux on my main after the last couple disastrous Windows 7 updates (which I didn't install. yeah, back then Windows actually gave you the option) that allowed telemetry and a bunch of other stuff if I remember correctly. I actually went through with it for good once the good ol' W7 reached its end of life. A windows install have not touched my computer ever since, not even as dual boot. As for my distro, I use Debian on my main. I know, pretty vanilla, but that's what I want. Debian is just an all around solid distro.
Most Linux users I know are hobbyists. They love tinkering with computers. I did use Ubuntu back in high school, but now that my job is a 3D artist, I'm required to use other OS, because there's more documentation there, more support for troubleshooting and stuff, faster updates, so forcing myself to use Linux feels like sabotaging my own career lol
"so forcing myself to use Linux feels like sabotaging my own career".... unless you want to work at WETA or Pixar....... "Acedemy software foundation", look it up.
Like what? Every OS runs unreal, blender, substance, *et all.*
@@derrekvanee4567 I use ZBrush, Maya, Houdini, and sometimes Marmoset Toolbag
Linux is great for home servers, that's what I have. Windows for gaming and work, Linux for my server, compiling, rendering, tinkering, etc.
@@sujimayneIt really depends on your requirements. If you're a gamer it's getting better but it's not a drop-in replacement for Windows yet.
I'm lucky. I can use it as my daily driver (I do a lot of semi-professional level editing for print, and website maintenance). I've used it for 10 years and don't even bother to boot up Windows and update it any more.
I'd encourage anyone to try it - just work out the pros and cons, and ease the learning curve by installing your free open-source software of choice on Windows and learning it there one app/package at a time. Most of it is cross-platform.
Normal people dont have any reason to bother with linux. Its fun to tinker with and has some niche situations where it excels, but for 99.9% of users we just need something familiar that just works.
Decrappification is one good reason.
@@gruntaxeman3740Literally not being able to do certain things because the software doesn't exist on Linux yet is pretty crappy
@@Waffle4569
Same applies to Windows.
@@gruntaxeman3740but what doesn't exist on windows that isn't some niche thing on the server end?
@@AstoundingAmelia
Example Valgrind.
Emscripten is also frontend thing and that is just pain in Windows, and they recommend to use Windows subsystem for Linux.
There is also million repositories in Github, very interesting software (like AI superresolution, video enchancement etc.) and they are just much easier to get up and running in Linux based OS. Windows is just garbage when building C/C++, because origin of C is in unix. Whole damn ecosystem of released source and developers are very much using unix like systems.
People not wanting to put in the effort is understandable. Many people have long hours of work and very limited amount of free time. And some of them are on jobs that doesn't require you to be expert on pcs, meaning it will take even more time to figure things out. All of that can lead to a very frustrating experience when you just want your pc to work so that you can use it in those limited free time of yours.
Started with Linux mint in 2011. Watching this video on the same laptop from 2011 with elementary OS.
yeah it's crazy how Linux transformed old laptops into feeling like new. I have it on everything now, I can only imagine it getting even more powerful in the future thanks to ChatGPT with bash/terminal.
I'm loving the Linux videos btw. I hope these videos work out for you, and you can keep making them.
There's just not a lot of benefit for the average person to learn to use Linux. And even where switching requires little, the benefit is almost entirely ideological, rather than practical.
That's what I noticed. Switching to Linux didn't buy us any benefits other than saving on a few Windows licenses. Linux felt like a dumbed-down version of Windows that was incompatible with most of the software and tools we needed. The only way around it for us was to run Windows in a VM on Linux, which was nuts, actually. Linux was the most unstable desktop system I've ever encountered. I believe it was a version of Ubuntu.
Do you consider it an ideological benefit when an NSA employee can't access the files on your PC with the government mandated backdoor?
@@toby9999did you look into any alternatives to the software you were using?
@@seeibe If you think Linux has never had surreptitiously created backdoors or via zero day exploits, you've drunk the kool-aid in exactly the way I'm talking about. You're thinking the world is just representative of your ideological stances.
And for that matter, the feds don't normally make use of government demanded backdoors.
That's just the perception. I like mac but it's definitely worth choosing linux over windows, if not just for the speed. Windows has so much bloat/b(ad) defaults.
New Linux user here. About a year ago I realized that my desktop and my very old Duo Core laptop were going to die on Windows10 eventually, so I decided to try Linux Mint on the Duo as a learning process. It had been REALLY SLOW on Win 10, but is much quicker on Mint, and I am actually enjoying using the terminal for many tasks...sort of like my old MSDOS days! 😁 I also have several raspberry pi's around, but the use of Mint has been the thing that has accelerated my learning process. I am having fun again!!!
Been using Linux since 2005. I’ve distro hopped to probably every distro and BSD under the sun. I’ve settled on openSUSE Tumbleweed and it’s my forever home now. Great video!
I started using Linux Mint about a month ago. Haven't looked back.
You will when you update it and it stops working for some random not documented reason, Longest time I have had a install is about 7 months.
Been on Linux for the past 20 years, actually been on Linux for 30 years now. But my main PC is a Risc-V SBC and only Linux run on that thing.
@@xKynOx 99/100 times linux has broken for me, was because I broke it. The 1% was Manjaro being Manjaro.
Year and half ago, Had to reinstall 3 times. longest I've had it working currently is 10 months. I mainly blame my 2 GPU setup with one being AMD and the other being NVIDIA. The AMD plays nice but the NVIDIA...
@@weresonic11 with nvidia drivers you have to boot linux in terminal to purge the driver and reinstall it again.
I use, Mint, Arch and Ubuntu. I started using Linux about 15 years ago and I have been using PCs since 1978.
@@chrissimpson1183 you felt the need to specify what you are using? Why?
@@Stef.Cata051 The Bro, look down on the comments, everybody is commenting on what their using. and i do believe this is what people on Linux videos, generally talk about in the comments, regardless of the topic of the video. Why the hate?
@Dojobows no hate, I don't understand the scope, other than attention begging, you use whatever software you want and when someone asks for advice you can give them advice.
@@Stef.Cata051 Linux users want everyone to know they use linux. This guy wasted 15 years of his pc life XD
@goingrey9529 yes, I do agree and I understand that Linux users usually get asked what distro they use but here it wasn't the case, if I ask "hey... what distro should I use?" I would expect people to say what they're using but being like "I'm using Ubuntu" for no aparent reason shows that something isn't quite ok
I feel like it's a chicken and egg thing. The biggest reason for people not switching to Linux is lack of support. But the reason there's lack of support is that there's not many people moving to Linux.
Yeah it sadly is. The hope is that companies do realise that Linux isn't only a "operating system for nerds and hackers" that they then start to port their software to Linux - even if it is only in a test phase.
And also hardware manufacturer espicailly on laptop @@gelbphoenix as most laptop on hit or miss for linux support sadly .... including mine who is a miss but also hit a little bit (no Wi-Fi but most of my pc still work on linux
I think is more the not being installed by default issue. After all, for most people the laptop OS is glorified Chrome launcher.
Linux has the best support. You can support yourself in Linux. If you ask right you may even find someone else willing to help you out too.
It's moving more towards Linux for one key reason.
Money,
People cannot afford to buy new laptops for the latest version of Windows anymore. They really cannot, especially where I am in SE Asia. Everyone is 'meh' about Linux UNTIL they cannot get new software installed on their ten year old Windows 7 machine. Fer real.
I have been putting Linux on all manner of old and minimal spec laptops to keep people moving. Once they use Linux (MX Linux KDE) they LOVE IT! but they would have stuck with Windows just out of inertia but hit the issue of $$$$!
If they had bought new hardware to handle Windows 10 they would have had to buy for 11 and now Windows 12 is coming and each time the minimal specs rise.... considerably. People just cannot afford it now.
I believe this is the major reason (along with improved gaming) that is pushing Linux use up.
First time viewer here. I enjoyed your video very much.
Using *NIX OSs since 2000. Solaris, Mepis, SUSE, Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake, Manjaro, Ubuntu from the Warty Warthog till they brought out the Unity desktop, then Mint. Still using Mint @ 21.3 as my daily driver. Still tinkering with other distros for fun.
Also, on ARM SBCs, Raspberry Pi OS, Armbian, Manjaro, Debian, Orange Pi OS, and PopOS.
I have tried Linux and I think it is great to bring an old computer back to life. It was fun to try something different but I have a M1 Mac and I use it. I pretty much use for browsing the web or editing pictures. I think all your points were right on track.
My dude you need to do a klingon cosplay. Qapla'! 😁
...that was my first thought when the video started.
I bet klingons would use Windows... 🤣
My introduction was with the steamdeck and I love it. Whenever I get a new PC I'm putting Linux on it. The windows file manager is just so weird and messy I can't handle it lol.
As with that entire OS, the file manager used to be decent. I don't know why Microsoft decided they needed to provide solutions to a bunch of nonexistent problems.
This is one of the first things I mention in favour of Linux - the several file managers that are so much better and easier to use than Explorer or Finder, for that matter.
@@OutLanderUSN Windows file manager has never been better. It's fast, has a clean look, supports dark mode, and has tabs. What more can I ask of it? Basically what Linux has had forever.
It's my first month using Linux and it's amazing after switching from windows. I'm using CaschyOS.
Cachy is great!
I use both Windows and Linux. They both have their benefits. If I had to choose just one OS it would be Windows hands down. But that's the beauty, you don't have to choose just one!
Great video! I agree with your sentiment and other commentators' views on priorities/interests.
For me it started out as a hobby 1997 with RHL. I'm retired now and I'm back to using it as a hobby. Gentoo and Arch are amazing- used them daily for about 6 years. However, for dev and server admin I've found Debian to be a happy place.
Until Linux is as easy to use as Windows and has and has the game and driver support, it will never replace Windows. And the many distributions just confuses most people.
Or android, google nailed it
@@roklaca3138 Android is even worse. Most of the time, that OS is locked down unless you install it yourself and you know what you are doing.
@@roklaca3138 i don't think google nailed android, but it's decent
“As easy to use as windows” Sometimes it’s even easier to use than windows. Games and Drivers tend to work well out of the box. The only games that don’t aren’t worth playing imo.
"that many distributions just confuses people" and it's never going to go away. Anyone can make their own Linux distro, you just have to be substantially fed up with another distro first. If my only option on Linux was to use Gnome and put up with the Gnome Team's "vision" because that was the Linux Approved™ desktop, I would figure out a way to run OpenBSD instead lmao.
I started back in 2006 with Debian Linux. Then moved to Ubuntu, then used MX Linux on some older PCs and now I am using Manjaro.
Did that, but had some BSD, Fedora and Solaris stints in between yrs back.... Ubuntu bored me with the kernel update-reboots. MX is my Stable spin nowadays.
There is a mod for Gimp called PhotoGIMP. It makes GIMP have an interface that looks like Photoshop.
That helps GIMP a bit, at least visually.
There’s a new version of gimp releasing soon, too.
GiMP is still far from PS & LR
@@xXDarthBagginsXx Absolutely, I hate Adobe but Photoshop is the best image editor by a mile. It's not even a question.
But it is nice that you can make GIMP less insufferable to use.
Switched to CachyOS about 2 months ago. Love it. Some learning curve for those new to linu , but nothing major for an experienced PC user. Once you have it all set up the way you want, it's awesome. Gaming is fantastic. If you're looking to use an Arch distro, I'd totally recommend CachyOS.
I'd like to take this opportunity to say that this is the first video about Linux that I'm watching, being encouraged to try it by a few friends, and I can already tell I'm about to fall in love with it. 😮
Been on linux exclusively since june 2015. The entire time on arch or arch based distros. Mainly just because of the ease of having everything in the AUR and not having to mess with repos.
Ive been on Windows almost exclusively since 1996.
@@toby9999 yeah I was too from 95- 15. Over those years I learned just enough about technology to now know better : )
I used Linux on ARM 300MHz processor with 64MB RAM and 128MB storage. Yes, it is embedded Linux.
I'm used to jews, so i use juice.
Nobara (fedora by glorious eggroll) has been fucking AMAZING. Super easy to use, gaming is AWESOME on it, EVERYTHING works, zero complaints!!! Been using linux since the year 2000. LOL. Edit- Also using an Nvidia rtx 3070ti, and it works flawlessly.
When i started working in IT ( in 2000) my boss was still running a custom compiled kernel of Redhat 3 on nearly every server in-house.
But in College, in the mid 90's the university I attended had a bunch of HP-UX servers all running a varied combination of v.9 and v.10. I never really got much use out of these beasts because all the Seniors were always running their projects on them.
One of my favorite GUI tools to use was (and still is to some degree, especially on embedded Linux systems) is Webmin
I've been a Windows user for just about my whole teen to adult life, and only within the past two months now, have I made the jump to Linux, (Using Linux Mint, if anyone's curious)) and I've been pretty happy with the jump, as it only took me a day or two to really get used to it
Honestly, there's a few things.
My experience with Linux is that it works 90% of the time, but eventually you'll run into a situation where a thing would just work on Windows but not on Linux. And its always a stupid thing you wouldn't imagine would even be a big deal.
For example, I try to screenshare on Discord.... and it shares the visuals but not the audio. Apparently this happens with some distros but not others.
Or getting a game to work. This can go into the "Linux requires effort" thing as often you have to jump through a million hoops to make a game work on Linux, and often it simply never will, or there will still be something wrong.
I think the most annoying thing, as someone who plays a lot of PC games, is two things:
First, some stuff that you can do easily on Windows is hard or impossible on Linux. Just for example, when using Dosbox I like to have multiple configuration files and different start menu shortcuts using each of those configuration files, because some games require max cycles, some require a low cycle count, some are at their best if the PC is set to tandy.... in Linux there is no way to do something like this, your only recourse is to edit the one conf any time you want to use Dosbox.
The other problem is stuff in Linux can be stupidly obtuse. For example I once installed Chocolate Doom, then wondered "where do I put the IWAD files?" as the documentation doesn't actually tell you. And Linux communities online were no help--they didn't seem to understand the question and instead told me "buy the games on Steam." How the frack would buying the game again fix my problem???
I eventually figured it out, but then ran into a problem similar to the Dosbox issue, that being that on Linux, there's no way to make Chocolate Doom (or any sourceport that doesn't include a launcher by default) boot any IWAD or custom map file other than whatever it considers the default. So if you want to play anything other than Doom II, you have to have only one IWAD in the directory at a time. Again, on Windows you can solve this with custom shortcuts.
In general, I just kept running into all these small quality-of-life annoyances that made Linux a pain to use if I wanted to do anything other than browse the web or watch movies.
"in Linux there is no way to do something like this, your only recourse is to edit the one conf any time you want to use Dosbox"
I find this impossible to believe. Dosbox is cross-platform and has the same features
"The other problem is stuff in Linux can be stupidly obtuse. For example I once installed Chocolate Doom, then wondered "where do I put the IWAD files?" as the documentation doesn't actually tell you"
How is that stupidly obtuse? You just said their documentation is lacking. It's not a Linux problem.
@@Flackon If you find it "impossible to believe" then do it and post a video, I'd love to see it!
As for why the Chocolate Doom thing is stupidly obtuse, its because you don't just put the wads in whatever directory the source port created for itself, which would be the most intuitive thing... instead there's some other directory it looks for them in, but it doesn't tell you where and its in a place you would never guess even exists.
In fact, here's how I found out where to place the wads: I was using MAME--a program that has nothing to do with Doom--and that actually DOES tell you where it looks for rom files. So I looked at the directories it suggested and got to thinking "I wonder if one of these has a place for Chocolate Doom?" and sure enough, one did.
So I figured it out.... by pure luck, because of an unrelated program.
That's like solving a puzzle in a badly-designed 90s adventure... and yet its just to run Doom.
..............
And that's just one of many issues I've run across. After this kind of thing kept happening, I stopped trying to play games on Linux.
DOSBox is very same in everywhere. There isn't any difference.
I just copy paste conf file to every game, and run I run my DOSBox games using shortcut icon that uses game conf file. Same way like I do it in Windows.
I wonder why you just don't use shortcuts if they work.
@@EdmondDantes224
Was it standard location?
You should be aware that file system hierarchy is standardized. It is not mess like in Windows that is changing all the time. It is possible that documentation doesn't tell how to use computer if it is expected knowledge.
Linux uses ".desktop" files instead of shortcuts. There are GUIs that can edit those in the same way you edit a shortcut on windows. Or you can just open them up with a text editor. You put the custom launch arguments at the end of the exec field. Put your .desktop files into your home/.local/share/applications folder and they will show up in your start menus. Or you can just launch them directly from anywhere.
I've never seen a Linux PC in any stores I think that also plays into the market share
Even if they were in stores, people would choose Windows 90% of the time. Linux is 30 years too late for the general masses.
There are Linux laptops. And Linux could be installed on any PC for free, but it rarely is, because why do it.
@@toby9999 I've never seen a Linux PC in any walk in store. The only reasons I could think of installing are if you really hate MS, maybe Linux runs better on their machine and maybe you can't afford a new windows 11 PC and aren't getting any more security updates from MS so you installed Linux
Maybe Google doesn't operate in your country?
Where I live, we have here ChromeOS laptops every market. Also I've seen Android all-in-one desktop.
Tablets and phones are of course running Android everywhere where I go but you likely doesn't mean that.
I've seen a few old refurbished laptops running Ubuntu in my local general electronics store. And of course quite a lot of Chromebooks as well.
I've been on Ubuntu full time for over a year. I was afraid of gaming on Linux, and there was complications but with a bit of work there isn't a single game I havnt been able to get to work. I'm not a video editor, I'm not a graphic artist, I know some things aren't great, but in my experience as a gamer, it's all in all worked fabulously
I was shocked how well gaming worked out. Sure I have games that don't work but alot of those didn't work on windows 10 anyway
Anything that requires the EA app to play isn't good in Linux from my experience.
@@johnking8896 EA and Sony are problematic with their launchers/services.
Sony hasn't yet understood that they are not a monopoly on PC and can't strong arm the player base. Currently they seem to actively try to make their games not run on SteamDeck. Alongside the PSN requirements, they'll likely learn the hard way through lost revenue. No way I'll link my Steam account to that abhorrent excuse of a digital marketplace/service. By now it's a yearly tradition that someone carries out all the customer data.
If the next Dragon Age is any indication, EA seems to have started to understand that their launcher as a requirement is failing them.
I have 738 games and a 4090, I don't want to try Linux with those two variables alone
@@JABelmsThat said, nVidia support has improved a lot over the past few years.
Hopped onto Garuda Linux about 4 months ago and have been (for the most part) daily driving it. Absolutely love it. Only hop into Windows now to do some gaming that isn't available smoothly on Linux and our racing sim, and for music production (just because I haven't figured out VST's in wine). Can't see myself needing Windows for anything here shortly as the Linux alternatives are either sufficient or superior for me. Mostly superior to be honest. Have discovered a wealth of fantastic FOSS software that is surprising me that I haven't heard of them before... Great stuff out there for free!
I absolutely love your fashion style. You made great points too!
I'm on Ubuntu since 2004 or so. Loving every year since.
Eww
Me when I want the worst of Linux AND Windows
this guy here does not know anything about Linux. All chromebooks comes with Linux included. You just activate it in the setting. My 2 Risc-V pc came with Linux installed
I am absolutely loving your new Linux content.
I used to watch your videos as a kid. I'm very happy to return now that you do Linux content!
Keep it up, I can't wait to see your progress!
I can't even permanently mount network drives to the same location without using the terminal. Why would any non-hobbyist use Linux? The older i get and more real life responsibilities i have, the less i want to spend time googling how to do stuff.
That just means it isn't for me, doesn't make Linux worse.
There are programs out there that can set network drives to automount, they essentially do what you are doing but they edit fstab for you instead of doing it manually.
write a 1 line bash script that starts at launch
but yea maybe windows is more your thing
@@Carcass-3332I really need to do this, but I keep forgetting to do it.
@@Carcass-3332 as soon as you mention writing scripts to do some common task, you lose like 95% of the potential OS users.
It doesn't matter how easy it is, no one wants to do it. UIs exist for a reason. A need to resort to scripting/terminal commands indicates the failure of OS design.
@@Shajirr_ It's literally a skill issue, and good, gatekeep them
The biggest reason is the default problem. People use whatever is installed by defaut. Imagine an electronics store where every laptop and PC on shelf has Linux preinstalled. Then imagine every market did that. Then people would use it, simple as that. Some people would surely wipe the drive and install Window, but a lot of people would not.
This is the reason people just use what is on the computer they buy from Best Buy or wherever. To most people, that is the os or computer swapping just means go back and buy another one.
I bought a new computer with Linux Mint this year. Switched from Windows 7. I used Ubuntu (in a dual boot) years back, so I already had experience using Linux. Learning software that runs on Linux was the hardest thing about switching -- Audacity, GIMP, and Kdenlive.
I just started my attempts on researching Linux and getting it up and running on an Intel NUC I have lying around.
1 - The getting started part is pretty brutal.
1a) You have to choose Distro, what's a distro? Choose between Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora and more. And their derivites.
1b) Different distros are for different use-cases. How do I find my own use-case and the distro that might suit that?
1c) DE? Desktop Environment? Are you kidding me, not only do I have to know what Distro of Linux sutis me, but I have to know how that one "looks" and there is several different looks. Gnome, KDE, Cosmic, etc.
2 - Onboarding is pretty tough
2a) While installing Linux the drive partition looks different. There's a lot of different SDA1 and SDA2 and so on. What? I usually just choose my hard drive and install it on that and it formats for me.
3 - I'm up and running, but I want to change things. How?
3a) Gotta learn Terminal and some basic coding to be able to fix things.
3b) Something broke, what, how? What do I do now. Where do I find help? Fuck it, I'll just reformat and install from scratch again.
That's a LOT of things for most users to get through. That's a very steep hill. Not something you want to format your main computer for.
While Windows 10/11 mostly comes preinstalled or is very easy to install and it looks the same for everyone. If you need help everyone and their mother knows their way around the OS and might have some sort of solution or at least a tip what to try.
Somewhat true, but the importance of these points is waaaay overstated. I can whittle it down for you.
1a - you don't need to care about it at this point. Just pick one. Ubuntu is a good start, so is Linux Mint or Zorin OS if you feel adventurous
1b - you don't need to care about it at this point. Distros can be optimized for a particular use-case, but if you didn't get that choice with the commercial OSes, why start caring about it now? Just pick Ubuntu and leave the fine-tuning for when you're more knowledgeable
1c - If you have a good tolerance for change, pick gnome, if not, pick KDE. Worry about the rest later
2 - It's the same on Linux. Instead of c:d:e: they are named sda/sdb/sdc but it's pretty much the same as Windows. Vast majority of installers offer an automatic partition scheme anyways so you don't even have to thing about this.
3 - Learning some terminal commands is always useful, but definitely not required to change things or install. Use Gnome software/Ubuntu software if on Gnome, use Discover if on KDE
3a - If you need to fix things, it means you broke things in the first place. Some knowhow of the terminal is not unreasonable to ask for. Also, don't be intimidated, the linux terminal is nowere near as obtuse as the windows command line and the basics can be picked up in one or two days
3b- search in google or arch wiki
Exactly, all this effort with linux for what returns? - like what is a normal user going to gain from all this? - as in, why would they leave Windows or Mac to have all this trouble, the main point you made is important " Where do I find help.." - this is true, scrolling for hours in old forums and some random reddit posts isn't fun. This also assumes they are tech nerds, if they are not they won't be able to cope.
1a) First you need know what you want. Just a normal requirements specification.
1b) How people usually find their stuff. Compare with the requirements specification what market has to offer.
1c) Usually desktop environment is already chosen by OS provider. Some cases you can choose what fits to your requirements. Desktop environment standardizes look and feel and native widgets so it affect your everyday utilities.
2a) It is normal unix. There hasn't been much of change past over 50 years, nothing is different.
3a) Terminal is used before we got monitors. It has been standard user interface to computers from 60s and used all this time. How do you ping to your machines without terminal?
3b) Things usually don't broke and if they do, usually turn it off and on again helps. If don't, then fix it or take it in for service. Fixing is something that every IT-guy knows and requires basic knowledge how computer works and possible google for manuals. Man pages are also existed since 1971.
It mostly sounds like you don't really know to handle computers.
@@Flackon1. It doesn’t matter. The fact you already have two extra levels of «OS» is already too much for the average person to get their head around. That’s what OP is saying
2. And USB drives are? This is actually a very good point that is that Linux’s filesystem is awful. In every way. You want to find program files? You’ll find them in teh Program Files folder in Windows or the Applications folder in Mac. On Linux? Could be bin, opt, or anywhere really. Nothing about the file management system in Linux makes any sense whatsoever to a normal person
Not to mention that with removable drives, you basically HAVE to rely on the file explorer to find it if you are new as finding its ID is a pain.
3. if you broke things in the first place… why did that happen? Why was that possible? Is it because «you didn’t read the manual» or is it because Linux simply is easy to break. It’s much harder to break Windows and nigh on impossible to break Mac as a new user. On Linux it’s way too easy to do something qrong
Mint
I use Linux Mint and have been using it for about 4 months now. I mainly do gaming, and web browsing. Occasionally I will do some audio, photo, and video editing. I don't really have any specific hardware and or software that I absolutely must have outside of gaming. I also have the option to boot into Windows 10 on my second drive if I really need Windows for some reason.
Software developer for almost 30 years here. So far I've migrated 3 of my old Windows computers to Linux as a security upgrade. Next year my Win10 daily driver will need that, too. Honestly, I have about equal experience with Windows, Mac and Linux on the desktop and somehow I still prefer Windows. 🤷♂️ My personal pain point with Linux is that, if you want a stable distro, you may need to jump around some hoops to install recent versions of those few packages you need that get updated all the time. Homebrew packages are no more than one week old versions, on Windows I just download the installer.
Flatpak rocks, tbh
@@lucyinchat Agreed in that scenario flatpak seems to be the way to go. Another way would be distrobox but that's only for certain edge cases. One edge case is where I had to use a specific version of jdk and on my distro (Devuan 5) it wasn't supported. With distrobox I got it properly working without contaminating my system.
I mean, that is what stable means XD. Jokes aside, use Flatpacks, Snaps (I feel dirty XD) and containers (distrobox). If Security is your main concern and you feel like tinkering a little, I'd recommend you test VanillaOS 2. It is a immutable distro with gui tools to install and manage software from more bleeding edge distros.
Also, I have to point out the irony of wanting security and thinking that just downloading an installer is better than having repos XD.
I use rolling release btw. But ruby, node comes from rbenv, nvm. And other dependencies in docker compose.
We were forced to use Linux for work some years ago as a cost cutting measure. It was horrible. The most unstable system I had encountered since W98. That lasted less than a year. We switched back to Windows 7.
Thank You for Nerdiness
I work mainly in finance so I need at least one windows computer with full fledged Excel for modeling, etc. But I plan on building a separate Linux pc where I hold all of my personal items; photos, videos, music & movie collection to run a Plex server on and other similar stuff. I have been playing around in virtualbox with some distros like Fedora and Ubuntu in order to understand Unix commands and how it works. Linux will definitely be a big parter of my tech world going forward.
Made a job application once with a linux (free) standard file format and the response was:"we can not open your application. Please resubmit on a different format." I guess it was company policy no translators between file formats were allowed on their computers.
ODT is even something that Office can open.
Most likely they use Word and can’t open odt files or don’t even know what it is. Simple fix is to send a pdf, you don’t need to send native files if they don’t need to be modified.
@@Batwam0 agreed, always send a PDF if it is some kind of application. DOCX (like it or not) is the standard format when they need to be edited, and considering that is an open source format, everything should support it.
Why didn't you send a PDF?
@@Batwam0 often people wont click the file if they don't know what the extension is because they are afraid of viruses, most people also don't know you can open it other than by double clicking
Reasons why:
1) pre-installed (normies often don't do manual stuff)
2) backwards compatibility - while the kernel is fine, lots of the libraries don't allow you to run stuff from a while back.. older software expects X11 and ESD etc, where newer systems don't have compatible libraries and configurations.. score one for containers/flatpaks I suppose.
3) configurability - Linux needs someone to edit complicated text files in seemingly random locations (for normies) very specific to the hardware to achieve things... While in Windows it's usually a drop down or tick or something (energy saving on a wireless card for example).
4) ingrained software (which again uses APIs and subsystems, which again could change and stop working)..
5) reputation for being troublesome/work (I've heard multiple Windows admins saying they are preferring Linux to Windows)..
6) effort to change/learn new things..
I think the big difference between Linux and the Windows NT family (NT 3.0 through to 11) is that Windows is a purpose built GUI driven desktop operating system, and the hardware people usually use is purpose built for desktop computers running Windows. It's also fairly backwards compatible (a security weakness but a user strength), which means people can maintain the same files and games for decades.
Linux is a command line server operating system that is managed through the manipulation of files. All of the tools (including the Gnome desktop) are developed outside the kernel, by respective groups. A lot of these are bundled together into distros, but in general, the more packages and software you use in a single Linux install, the more likely it is to have compatibility issues. There is no centralized support structure, so if you do have an issue, it requires asking a community (that is often hostile to new comers) or trying to manipulate text files or figure out complex command line arguments to resolve.
Another thing with the business perspective; active directory makes the remote and centralized management of windows desktops a lot easier. Microsoft provides a lot of tools to control and manage your business desktop Windows installations out of the box. If you tried moving 10,000 people into Linux, you would need dedicated development teams to customize opensource software to provide similar functionality and the underlying infrastructure to support it. I think that's a big component that people miss; Linux will never replace Windows as a desktop operating system, because it was never designed to be one. The biggest distros (Red Hat) are not Desktop. It's only as supported as the opensource community makes it, and it will forever be limited to the capabilities of the Kernel. Major Kernel rewrites break everything, so it's a hard to cater to desktop gamers when the major players (and payers) are geared towards corporate datacenter applications. That's where the money is from.
I think you kinda touch on it; Linux is just too much overhead for daily driving. It's great for single-purpose servers (like Apache), but you start layering on applications and complexity, it becomes a nightmare to troubleshoot. And even in the case of servers, I typically run containers or Azure platform features these days. That's not to say I don't use WSL2 frequently for specific components (like databases), but I still run VSCode from the desktop.
Another thing you kinda hit on with the distros. Sometimes opensource projects just die... including Distros. You might pick something unique, but then people just stop working on it and it goes end of life after 6 months. Same with applications, you pick something like OpenOffice... then it dies off and you need to switch all your applications over. There's no set End of Life for a lot of these projects, they are open source, and when people aren't developing a project... it just disappears. In many cases, no one is being paid to commit to these projects, so an unexpected death or shifting priorities can have a huge impact.
Some things here are true but others are in error.
The legacy issues are certainly true. Windows is to many co-operations as COBOL is to banking. You just CANNOT replace it. That's why I see Linux being an alternative to Windows, like Mac, rather than a replacement. Once you have 95% of the world's computers running Windows you cannot ever let Windows go even if less people then run it in the future.
Active directory and stuff I largely agree.
however, there are some errors especially in this artificial distinction between Linux being a server as opposed to a desktopOS. It's a very artificial distinction.
For a start, the Windows NT kernel was originally a fork of OS/2 which Microsoft wrote and legally arguably 'owned.' OS/2 started off as a text only, Unix like OS, it's origins similar to Linux. MacOS is also just BSD with the Apple UI and walled garden and NOBODY thinks MacOS is anything but a desktop OS.
Linux, by dint of it's modularity, can be desktop, server or device OS. It's just how it works. As it is Linux definitely qualifies by as a desktop OS:
MacOS has a usable GUI. MacOS has a 'techie' backend (BSD) but nobody sees it because of the GUI. MacOS has a mass of usable software that Joe Average can use easily.
Everyone agrees MacOS equals a desktop OS.
Linux has a usable GUI - many - and can even replicate the MacUI (I did such recently via KDE!) Linux has a 'techie' backend but people only see if if they use a techie distro. Most distros are easier to use than MacOS, I know from painful experience of being forced to use Mac. Ow. Linux has MORE software available to use than Mac including vastly more games and the ability to run vast amount of Windows apps via WINE/Proton/Steam et al.. It’s interesting to note that I have put a Mac user onto Linux (KDE) and he agrees that KDE is a better UI than Mac and “It’s fun!”
By any reasonable measure Linux is a full desktopOS. That's why I say Linux should be seen more as as a Mac equivalent than a Windows replacement.
Linux is not going to replace Windows but it should be an alternative a la Mac.
In terms of support running out, distros going under or whatever... private enterprise is no guarantee of survival. In fact, big business can pull the rug out from you BIG TIME.
Er, see Crowdstrike. I do not see Crowdstrike surviving. The lawsuits will bury the company.
Any business can go bust. IBM is not even a shell of it's former self. It's just a patent troll pretty much. At least with FOSS projects can be forked. I mean, KDE 3 continues as 'Trinity!' I loved the Commodore 64/128 wordprocessor "Superscript." Erm, I do not think it is supported now.
Wordstar and Wordperfect came and went.
Businesses rise and fall, so do distros. At least when something crazy happens - 'CentOS' you get Rocky and Alma.
The problems with Linux adoption in the main are:
Legacy, as you say, which cannot be shifted save with new businesses that start from scratch.
Key apps, of which Adobe strides tall. For TH-cam creators in particular there's no moving that.
Not installed by default.
Not shown! People just have no visibility of Linux. There are no adverts for Linux laptops, no exposure.
One other thing is this belief that Linux is oh so hard to use, it's a programmer's OS, etc, which lingers on. But I actually see that fading because the younger generation have not been reared with those myths. They do not know what Linux us at all or have seen it in school, with a proper, up to date GUI. Raspberry Pis are making a difference as well. So I a, finding less hostility towards Linux. Not huge enthusiasm, I grant, but the Google generation are only enthusiastic about 'Google' now and the coming generation is more open to Linux because they do not have this shared myth that Linux is oh so hard to use.
@@jedipadawan7023 I am not going to agree with MacOS being as usable as Windows, simply because it's absolutely dedicated to specific hardware. It also have far less software available, and many limitations. The biggest value is support, as I mentioned with distros, is vendor provided and not locked into communities and open source. Much like Red Hat vs. Windows Server. This is where embedded devices rule as well, IOS, Consoles, Android...
I also disagree with it being a 'programmer' OS. I see it as a 'program' OS (a server), but most 'programmers' I know use Windows to actually write code, in applications like VSCode or Visual Studio, and just publish to Linux systems.
@@churchking2527 The key point is that it is AGREED that Mac OS is a desktop OS.
By any definition of Desktop OS that includes MacOS Linux is also a 'desktop OS. That's my main point.
Linux has far greater software available to it now than Mac and nothing like the walled garden.
Linux is a server OS but also a desktop because it can be molded. Just as BSD was molded to become MacOS.
"Same difference."
@@jedipadawan7023 MacOS is an appliance more than a Desktop OS. It's a purpose built machine with a customized operating system, significantly different from the PC market.
Linux has a lot of software available, but it also has a lot of abandoned software available... I think he highlights this a bit in the video. The bigger name products aren't on Linux, or they don't work quite as well as Windows. A big reason being that Desktop hardware (specifically consumer desktop hardware) is purpose built around a Windows desktop ecosystem (which you could argue in a bit of a monopoly). When you get more into Server hardware, you start to see datacenter equipment that's purpose built for Red Hat, ESXi, OpenShift, OpenStack, mainframe... many other purpose-built Linux/Unix distros.
I find Linux is a purpose driven OS, it excels at doing one thing well. It has custom modules that make it function better as a desktop ecosystem, like Gnome as a desktop GUI, for example. But you still have the same opensource problem. The Kernel and the GUI are two different products, both maintained by different groups of people. So when a distro like Ubuntu decides to completely drop the Gnome desktop in favour of Unity and breaks your entire desktop ecosystem, it's pretty off putting. Or when CentOS replaced MySQL with MariaDB. Or when Red Hat decides to replace basic commends like net-tools with ip.
it never ends in Linux. In a server ecosystem, you typically don't just upgrade Red Hat on the same hardware, you throw the baby out with the bath water and rebuild new. On Desktop, it's a lot harder to maintain a system built on OpenSource software that has a 9 month lifecycle.
@@jedipadawan7023
" Windows is to many co-operations as COBOL is to banking. You just CANNOT replace it."
Of course it can be replaced. It is even better to avoid everything that is non-standard to make it easier. It is also normal to rewrite old rotten software to modern standards.
We have seen that there are rotten software in Windows that prevents upgrading Windows to new version. That is caused by lack of software maintenance.
I use MXlinux on an old 10" lenovo tablet (with a low power quad core atom) - works great for videos and light web browsing without the overheads of a windows OS. Also trialing Kubuntu on a spare laptop to see how it goes with daily tasks. Most of what I need is either web based, office files, and video playback - all of which are handled fine in a modern linux distro... I think a lot of us with several PC's will still keep a windows PC for some tasks for quite a while though.. the compatibility on obscure applications and mainstream productivity is just always there to fall back on.
Installed Linux Mint 22 Cinnamon about 3 weeks ago on an old laptop that had ChromeOS Flex. Surprised by how much I could do with it so far! Excited to tinker with it and get a stronger device for Linux.
I use Linux Mint. It's on two of my machines. But i still have multiple window 10 machines as daily drivers. I do however game on one of my old laptops running mint via Steam.
you mean, steam via mint? Mint via steam seems, difficult for me to grasp, lmao
@@MyouKyuubi That's correct. Mint Linux as the operating system with Steam running in Mint.
So I missed a few commas and screwed up other stuff. So sigh... 🤪 Lol
Before I even watch this video. My biggest thing with being hesitant moving to Linux is basically just not being sure how compatible everything *I do* is with it. Can I simply play my games via Steam? Does eXoDos work with it? How compatible is it with slightly older hardware since majority of my PC is made up of older parts (By choice). By the time I got this far you mentioned "Effort" Unfortunately that's also a factor. How much Effing around will it take to actually use Linux day to day as a Windows replacement... thats me anyway
Linux day to day as a Windows replacement. Linux is NOT a Windows replacement.
Steam, works older hardware if it isn't ancient, it works. Do all the games work on steam? Nope, can you try to make them work? Yes. In general, competitive online games don't work due to several anticheat software implementations. Does all software work? Noooooo, but tinkering can make plenty of things work. If you are keen to learn to tinker, theirs (a lot) effort and time involved. It depends on your capabilities and insight how much time that will take. If you're just a guide, follower (which is fine) you might be able to tinker a bit but don't count on having too much success. Because you lack the underlying understanding or knowledge of what it is you are actually doing and while the guide may say this (outdated not applicable etc.) it won't work.
Something I recommend is having a secondary tiny pc or something where you do basic daily things on (browsing, streaming, watching videos, e-mail etc.) running Linux. For example, instead of using a smart TV with annoying and tremendously slow features and apps. Just plug in a low-power consuming mini pc with a Linux distro into it with a wireless mouse and keyboard. And use it, if you want to play games, use your Desktop (you don't need to turn on the powerful gaming pc with high-power consumption for most thing beside gaming)
Later, you can learn how to run windows on/in Linux as a VM etc. (you need capable hardware, GPU's pass through multi monitor etc.) but this goes to expert level knowledge in most cases.
Here’s a big thing that you’re missing, it’s not that people are extremely lazy, it’s more accustom to using Windows laptops, because here’s the thing, how many laptops do you know that on store shelves and say like Best Buy and Walmart, come preinstalled with Linux? Excluding Chromebooks, name me one brand, that’s on a Walmart shelf right now, that sells with Linux installed out of the box.
At the end of the day, a lot of people like me who are musicians, creative writers, and artist simply want a platform that works no matter what we do. We don’t care to try and fix the problem. We prefer having someone else solve our problems with the machine.
He mentioned that Windows come preinstalled on almost all prebuilt PCs as one of the reasons.
@@dlsisson1970, right, I am arguing against this idea that people are lazy, it’s more like people don’t care.
Notebooks are the worst thing to use as a means of evaluating Linux compared to a desktop system. They're literally proprietary from the ground up, from the design and layout of the motherboard to all the integrated devices that are used.
Dell literally sells notebooks that have Ubuntu pre-installed. As to whether those are sold in Walmart, I don't know because I haven't been in a Walmart in years.
@@MrSnivvel, they don’t sell them here in Georgia (us)
@@TheDenOfTimbsStudios What do they not sell in Georgia? Dell notebooks?
One counterpoint I would make is Office. A lot of workplaces are moving to Google Docs and Office 365, which are browser-based tools that work great in Linux (at least until Google and MS decide otherwise). So, if your workplace is on either of those you might not have any issues.
"mother membrane"
That was an S tier reference and now I'm inclined to watch more of your videos
I think a lot of it has to dealing with the unknown. If you have used Windows since oxygen was invented and are not sure you have the skills nor the knowledge to figure out what might be causeing problems when things go wrong, Linux is scary because it is literally the great unknown.
Hey Bill, I agree with you, but what if M$ started making users do the install again ? Personally I think M$ doing a pre-installed OS to stop the piracy-thing has dumbed down the user to the point of " you don't know... So we're doing it for you". And what's left of that group that do remember, actually don't mind taking on the task of installing a Linux Spin on their PC .
My Bias is .... From Grade 3 on up, .... Linux should be part and parcel of at least 75% of schools computer science courses, especially if they are going to teach the Kids to code, ... ( Think CNC, 3D Printing, etc. ).
Stay Safe.
I started using Mint last November on a dual boot machine, then completely erased Windows in December. I switched to Arch this May. I have used Debian and Ubuntu to some extent before that. Switching to Linux was the best decision of my life so far.
You really need to improve the quality of your life if switching to Linux was the best decision in your life.
@@V1CT1MIZED If a random internet user's choice of operating system caused so much rectal burn for you to comment like this, it might better be you that consider your life choices.
@cemreomerayna463 "best decision of my life so far" over using Linux. The choice isn't the issue. It's the fact that it's the highlight of your life. I honestly pity you, and I'd take you looking at my anus or whatever nonsense you're saying any day if it meant having better moments in my life.
@@V1CT1MIZED nah man LM is THAT GOOD.
Been using Linux 25 years. Mint and Raspberry Pi for Ham Radio hobby. You need to like tinkering if you are going to use Linux.
Not to give you anything more to put on your brain but... Have you seen DragonOS and the WarDragon kit for SDR?
Uhh, or just buy a Steam Deck?
Idk if that’s true. I just installed Pop OS for my grandpa and it only took about an hour from installing to getting all the software he needed on there and explaining where his icons and files were.
He’s not a hobbyist, just did not want to deal with windows anymore, especially with all of their (inadvertent) spyware.
"You need to like tinkering if you are going to use Linux."
No you don't
I love tinkering, But no Linux is not my thing and never was for many reasons I wont get into, but from experience, its getting better, a lot better, but not there for me yet. Tinkering is one thing, but annoying is another.
Been using Linux mint on my dell laptop for about 6 months now. Only used for general use, works great. Just upgraded from 21.3 to 22; had to use the terminal but watching a walk through video it was fine. Ive been using windows since 3.1.1 and ms dos 6.2. im not a gamer but use certain progs like any dvd, streamfab and dvd fab for my ripping purposes for Plex.
I started with Linux 30 years ago with Slackware Linux; used Red Hat and Suse alongside Windows, UNIX and Apple servers for 7 years in a corporate setting. Currently using MX Linux, Windows and macOS at home (amateur radio, games, music production/daily driver respectively). After 40 years of different operating systems, they are all the same to me.
Linux community is not quite supportive as people mention no guides no tutorials even though it has 4% linux usage.
I'd argue linux guides are better then windows guides, every time I had a windows issue, the entire first page of google would be "restart your pc, try updating, run a troubleshooter..." (none of these ever help), meanwhile on linux guides you will get the exact command you need to run to fix something, at least in my experience
There are many channels that do tutorials and guides. CTT has done them for years along with many others.
No guides? just type the name of the distro in Google, and its all there.
There are distros with great documentations (e.g., the Arch wiki).
Yeah documentations are great. Just copy past these 500 paragraphs into the Terminal. And maybe nothing breaks while doing it. Linux is not an option for normal people.
regarding the audio Issues you describe (latency issues?) have you tried pipewire instead of pulseaudio? I haven't had any issues on either, but supposedly pulseaudio is the more modern solution and low latency is one of it's main benefits.
I'm not sure where he got the "worse latency" information, but I have my doubts as to its validity. Linux audio definitely has its issues, but I don't think latency is on of them.
@@service_code_3041I think it's because of FL Studio, if you run that in Wine it will have much more latency than on Windows
Let's be honest tho, how many windows users are creative cloud subscribers? Most people aren't using photoshop, premiere, lightroom etc. And even if you fracked it, when was the last time you used it?
However, a lot of people use MS Office. And nothing I've tried can replicate Excel's features properly
@@bleack8701idk, do they? Not saying you're wrong but I don't know a single person who uses MS office regularly.
Most people use something they can't have on Linux or it is too complicated to have it. No photoshop? OK, what about Google drive? What about even a simple decent audio player? They are still stuck in the 2000's.
Yeah but people consume from youtube, and all the guys posting on youtube ARE creative cloud subscribers. So everyone uses whatever their 'youtube hero' uses.
@@martinpetrov7228 gnome makes a simple music player, amberol if you want something pretty.
I started using Mint Cinnamon personally and professionally in 2012, but I've used various distros on since around 2008. 👍🏻
Here is a list,
1. Preconceived notions that you need computer skills to use it.
2. The number of distros make it hard to choose as there is no clear “best” distro.
3. certain apps and software do not work on Linux, in both a creative and professional setting (improving but not there)
Outdated user guides with Linux hobgoblins gate keeping new users, expecting people to read a 15 page guide for a quick fix instead of giving the answer.
the last one is way better these days because thats been such a meme for so long that even the most hobbled goblins are toning it down.
Using Linux gives people the opportunity to develop computer skills. If they are interested in that sort of thing.
@@1pcfred So does IT and Programming. Except you can get paid to learn those.
@@Trick-Framed but do they let you learn in your underwear?
@@1pcfred 🤣🤣🤣
If exercise is so good for you, why don't more people do it?
underrated comment
what i hate about linux:
updates breaking my configurations,
forgetting how i installed something,
constant problems with xdg links
friends blaming linux everytime something im using with them (games, chat apps) goes wrong
separate theming for different ui frameworks
audio subsystem defaults suck and i have to remember what my setup is
people expecting me to be a linux wizard just because i daily drive it and im a software dev
Some of the points you bring up here does make me think "come on! WTF are we doing here!!!???". At the very least people should sit down and agree on some standards.
The issue lies in the details. Sometimes you post something like that and other people just comes along and 'why are you using distro X? Use Y instead'
NixOS! For the first problem, at least. For the others, yeah that checks out.
@@The.Crawling.Chaos.that’s too much effort and a massive blow to many egos in the foss community
I've been on Arch for 2 years not one update broke the system. The bluetooth sucks thats about all the issues ive had.
Old school here - after 30+ years of using MS operating systems at work and being the guy who did the OS installs and hardware upgrades for a department of 25 writers and graphics artists I suppose I am one of the guys who does things. Being retired, I'm still building systems and years of using Linux Mint / Cinnamon desktop
I started to test Linux as a desktop somewhere around 1999, switch as daily driver in 2003. The last 9 years also in business as a fullstack developer. (SuSE, Knoppix, Debian, Ubuntu, Elementary OS, Ubuntu, Fedora since ~2.5 years)
I suggested Linux to one of my teenagers when they got their own PC and they said, "But I'm not a programmer..." The misconceptions are still strong. That and Linux distros don't have multi-billion dollar advertising budgets like Microsoft and Apple do. It's a hard slog to change people's consumed ideas (via advertising) and then get over the inertia of laziness, apathy and well worn ruts of familiarity and societal conditioning.
well said and true.
I think the pre installed OS issue is probably number one. Really comes down to, those who are not willing to learn how to install an OS will never try on their own.
Cinnamon DE would be my recommendation for windows refugees as it's familiar.
POP_OS and Linux mint are good recommendations for newbies. being based off Ubuntu most of the documentation out there will work without the issues of running Ubuntu.
personally my recommendation would be kde plasma because of how feature full it is and how familiar it is to windows uers
We ran Ubuntu in our office for a time, and it was dreadful. Also very unstable. The thing is, Linux has been available and free for decades, but most people don't see a benefit from installing it because for most people Linux does not provide anything they don't have in Windows.
@@toby9999 rofi, tiling wm, actually responsive file management, the entire cli ecosystem.
@@toby9999 rofi, tiling wm, actually responsive file management, the entire cli ecosystem.
@@toby9999 rofi, tiling wm, actually responsive file management, the entire cli ecosystem.
Why is my comment being banished to the shadow realm by yt 💀
So, as someone who literally worked at the company who makes chip for audio interfaces. I fully disagree on the latency. You can get great latency get convolution reverbs and less glitches than windows. People will complain about plugins but I finished mixing my album about to send it out to get master in linux. Drag preset workflow can be somewhat harder but it ids actually really good on linux to do audio. Core audio is still king and to the pipe wire defender it is not good and doesn't do a great jack emulation.
I'm using Linux since 2008. Started with Ubuntu 8.04 LTS, tried Puppy Linux, Debian, Fedora, CentOS, Sabayon, OpenSUSE, Linux Mint, Manjaro and last 12 years I'm happy with Arch Linux.
Hi! I'm using Ubuntu Studio, Linux Mint, Zorin, Antix and Nobara. Been using Linux for about 15 years now.
Why don't people always leave an abusive relationship
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Considering the community of Linux and it's "Expert users?" Yeah, the community itself is very much arrogant and in some cases, downright toxic. Uhh... Don't think you thought this one through my guy, lol.
I fired up Ubuntu for giggles recently. Figured I'd dip my toes back in after not using Linux for like 20 years. I used to use Slackware then Gentoo for a few years back in the early 00's. Anyway, Ubuntu was looking pretty good until I tried to set individual scaling for each of my two monitors. GNOME instantly borks out with neither screen getting properly scaled. Tried every combination of settings I could think of to try to "trick" it into working. I know it's just one thing, but it's a very basic thing I haven't had to even think about in Windows for years now. Welp. Might try again in another 20 years.
Windows 11 literally has the same issue.
@@seeibewindows 11 works just fine in this area.
Question is.... How old is your Gnome spin of Gentoo ??, Try, in the Konsol, run: Man xrandr, and do what it suggests If don't have a GUI interface for the monitor config.... But first thing to do is get rid of Gentoo and get a modern Spin of Debian, RH, Suse, or Slack...... depending again on your end-objectives.
Monitor config is no longer an Xrandr or Xinerama issue
@@seeibeI can set my dpi and colors fine with Win11
I think the main reason is distro confusion and diffusion. If there was one dominant distro that was the go to then the on ramp for users would be more straightforward. But the nature of Linux prevents this as it will always fork into many different directions.
One of the opportunities for growth in Linux users would be if the public were to push governments to use more free software just to trim the budgets a little bit. If more governments did this as a standard policy and only used paid software as an exception when necessary then some companies could also start to feel some pressure. I think that there are enough serviceable options now that an argument could be made for free software as the default. That is free as in no cost to use. I suspect that some companies will offer their proprietary software at no charge to governments just to try to keep them locked in to their ecosystem. Open source would then be a good option but not necessarily demanded by such organizations.
The sad thing is Ubuntu used to be that dominant distro, but then Canonical had to shoot themselves in the foot with things like telemetry and Snaps.
I think SteamOS receiving an official standalone release will help a bunch for gamers, but it's still tiny steps.
I do think government use is the most promising but I also fear leftpad and xz situations becoming extra dangerous.
@@stupidburp I'm from Uruguay, one of the first countries to implement one laptop per child (if not the first) and Ubuntu was dominant on those machines up until around 2013...then everything became a dual boot at first, and then they eliminated Linux altogether on the government machines and just had Windows 10 and now 11. Specially now, they are better than ever (the ones given to adults such as teachers and adult students at least) in comparison to current technology, as the original ones from 2007 or 2008 were basically toys, even by then standards.
Also, a lot of government offices and schools ran on Ubuntu but no longer do, so it seems it doesn't work for everybody.
@@MoonOvIce You should also mention that Linux in 2007/8 wasn't as "it just works" as it is now mostly.
Any Linux distro can do what any other Linux distro does. They all get their software from the same upstream sources. The only difference between distros is how they package software. That and their default configuration. The config you can and should change too.
Started with Ubuntu in 2007 Now using Linux Mint on all my computers and revived my old Intel Macs including a 2009 white Macbook and a 2008 iMac.I also use MX Linux on my really old 1GB RAM netbooks.
I started digging into Linux in 2003. I started with Debian. Basically just poking around to see what Linux was all about. By 2005 I was dual booting Windows and Debian (not as easy then as it is now). Moved to Ubuntu for a while, Fedora and later on Mint... distro hopped for a while. I stumbled upon Arch around 2018. Haven't looked back. I do have a distro hop laptop that I test and play around with other distros. But since 2019, I've been Arch as a daily driver. I only use Windows at work. Last time I used Windows on my personal PC or Laptop was around 2016 (Windows 10).
After having hardware that Linux did not go well with, that's literally my fear forever until Linux sorts itself out. Spending days on a PC where the hardware was running white hot cause Linux ran it at 100% constantly, asking for help by linux users who end up arguing among themselves, or basically have you jumping through rings of fire (all the while using jargon that a newb like me had to google constantly, or ask to dumb down), - only for nothing to work and having to just scrap the entire project.
I shouldn't have to gamble on whether or not an OS will "play along" with the hardware. Other than that, my dream is to run Linux. I found it quite enjoyable as an OS.
When did you tried that hardware and also which hardware was it?
@@gelbphoenix i forget exactly when, somewhere around 2022-2023. (either late -22 or early -23. it was a toshiba satelite laptop if i remember correctly
@@spretten It could be that you picked a time where support for said hardware wasn't implemented (yet). Also sorry that you had to experience the toxic part of the Linux community. I would invite you to try a linux distro again.
@@sprettenwhich Toshiba satellite laptop, was it new or old?
@@lucyinchat depends what you mean by old or new. i bought it right around the time between win8 and win10, cause it only had a few months at best with win8 i think. ive got a desktop so my laptops dont get that much useage too, so it wasnt like worn out either
Linux still has a lot of issues which requires effort but also time. Tinkering with Linux is not how everyone wants to or can afford to spend their free time. It doesn’t mean they are stupid. Someone who tinkers with their car can call you stupid because you pay for your oil change. It’s all perspective. We all just have different hobbies and priorities. Also when you need to get work done you don’t have time for things to not work. Most professionals are using software that is Windows only. You guys tend to bring up Adobe all the time but there is sooooo much more software that is Windows only for so many lines of work.
"Linux still has a lot of issues which requires effort but also time" such as?
You make a very good point as I have the same problems along with using cutting edge hardware with little to no driver support and by the time linux catches up I have moved on.
@@notjustforhackers4252 getting things to work as they should
@@notjustforhackers4252 How about everything? Not every Linux App work in every Linux OS. Some apps can be installed via Flatpack. Other don't, they require the Terminal.
A few days ago i tried to install Firefox via Terminal, thought sudo apt Firefox or so would be faster, because i had the terminal just open after a fresh install. Didn't work. I had to use the Software Center for the install. Then i had to duckduckgo how to fcking uninstall Firefox via Termial because the software center refused to install. Didn't know remove or delete aren't viable commands, it was the "purge" command i had to use.
Then the software center could install firefox normally......
I hope the next Linux i use doesn't use the purge command anymore, instead you have to write sudo nuke Firefox to delete it.... fck Linux. And of course Arch uses completely different commands to install stuff. Linux us fun. If you consider getting angry being fun.
@@notjustforhackers4252 The first and last time I tried dual booting my work laptop into Ubuntu, my main monitor was only displaying the green channel. Everything was tinted green. Literally untouched HDMI cable, absolutely fresh and latest Ubuntu install, went into Windows and all was working again. I didn't even think this kind of software issue was possible in the year 2024. The random issues you can encounter in Linux are completely insane, before even actually trying to do anything complex. I don't have time for this kind of stuff, never looked back.
When it comes to tech in the family, people think I'm the go-to. I made the switch to Mint Cinnamon, and I struggled to get all of my content transferred without losing content.
First attempt, I didn't know about needing BIOS security disabled for GPU drivers. So I reinstall to save any potential errors I may have missed. (important for later)
Second attempt, I go to wipe my last drive to ready for saving space. Remember important for later? the boot partition jumped onto my windows drive I just wiped. Surprise, it's boot rescue time! I lose all my data on my Linux drive.
Third attempt, KDE Plasma on Mint updates giving me a black screen boot with a cursor. Okay, I kind of like the design of KDE, can I do something like Kubuntu or something? Okay, I don't know enough about gaming to save most of my modded games on here.
Finally, I'm back on Mint Cinnamon. I settled. I hate how Linux doesn't handle Vsync well, but I got my candy icon pack. I'll settle. At least it's not Windows nor MacOS.
Can I imagine an average Joe doing Linux? No, using gamer terms, it's too autistic for the average Joe. It's the d**k measuring contest of OS choice somewhere between Windows and MacOS.
Maybe you want to give KDE Plasma another chance - it has great display settings, allowing you to disable vsync for games, handle ICC profiles, fractional scaling, multiple screen configurations for people with laptops and offices, and more.
@@guss77
Well, the problem I have with that now is the Plasma install on Mint can corrupt like it did before by merely updating through software manager. I have hundreds of games spanning three hard drives that have taken months to mod and run to my ideal level, so switching distros to favor Plasma is a no-go either.
I appreciate trying to reach out, but in my case, it's not worth installing.
@@googletarded8300 I don't think Linux Mint even has Plasma 6, and I haven't tried it in years but as I recall (and confirmed by current internet discussions) Mint's Plasma setup is atrocious - if you can't build it yourself then you might as well stay away. So if changing to a more supporting OS isn't your thing (Fedora is great, btw - as Tek mentioned), then 🤷. One thing I expect Linux users to do - where they are better than Windows users - is to consider the options, weigh the benefits, and make a choice.
@@guss77
I think I get what you're saying, but my intent with the first comment was to show how Linux's low adoption percentage may be because it gives all these different distros, moving from Windows to it is tough for an average Joe, and it's not exactly user friendly. As for me, I still don't know to to show BC7 .dds files in Nemo or any art program without visual artifacting.
If it weren't for the steam deck, the needle might not have moved so fast as far as adoption rate.
Linux is everywhere but many people don’t realize. For me, for example, It’s running on my access points and gateway and refrigerator…
i just swapped over to arch with KDE in the past couple weeks since windows was very broken on my machine, honestly wasn't too bad to install and i enjoyed learning the hows and whys. biggest issue is actually that my vr headset doesn't work well under Linux. if windows hadn't broken near the point of un-usability i never would've took the time to swap. its really like pulling off a band-aid. now that I'm here ill never go back, but its far from perfect. effort seems to be king, you can get anything to work with enough effort, its just a question of if its worth the effort you put in. I'd only ever suggest it for someones secondary machine right now as having both options would defiantly make the learning process less grating, even mint, while easy, needs time to adjust and learn what will and wont work easily. after getting used to it id say its fine for desktop, especially thanks to the work that wine and proton respectively have put in.
Have tried to move to Linux at least 3 times (the last is ongoing and obviously failing again), every time the factors of failure were different. First time (2008) it was the failure to set up decent hardware video decoding, second (2011-2012) - inability to play games, now I am triggered by frame drops on TH-cam and ugly font smoothing. :) Yes, and the need to convert MP4 videos before adding to Davinci Resolve 😀Every time Windows just gives me better experience in what I am mostly engaged with. Which is kind of depressing, with all this AI/spying/bloatware BS we just must get off MS WIndows' needle
Every time i have tried to move to Linux is has devolved into endless Google searches on how to setup or fix something and then over to the CLI to do anything. Then God knows what blasts into the console. Yeah F that.
Legacy hardware, legacy applications.... Legacy process...
Ironically older software tends to run better in wine than on windows even with compatibility mode.
@@stolenlaptop But with drivers I would not bet on that either.
This cuts two ways now. Windows Legacy is huge and why much of Industry CANNOT move off Windows - no matter the abuse. Masses of businesses have been on Microsoft office since Windows 3 days and have VAST amounts of legacy VB macros. Converting them over to anything else is just... not happening. Companies would rather pay subscription charges.
Lots of industries have very specialised apps coded only for Windows - Oil Drilling for instance and our good 'friend' Adobe - which will NEVER be ported over to Linux, even if Linux got 60% market share. The apps are that specialist.
Lots of legacy stuff... BUT!!! for new ventures the equivalent functionality is now available elsewhere. Average Joe is now a 'wifi' and "google" user and barely needs offline apps. Once upon a time the only office suite worth having, or the public understood, was Microsoft office. But the smartphone has blown that away. Now everyone knows 'Google.' I have kids who have no idea what a file is, what a folder is and prefer to type their school homework on google docs on their smartphone than use a keyboard! Microsoft Office is almost unknown to them. So they are open to Libreoffice or OnlyOffice on a laptop. The smartphone generation are wedded to Google and not to Windows. New businesses can use google apps or FOSS and get things done. In the past the software was just not there.
So legacy keeps HUGE amounts of business locked in... but lots of start ups can break out.
I cite myself as one example. I mad sure hen I went independent I would be all in with Linux. Twenty years ago Windows would have been my ONLY option!
With the parents, they still think "Windows, Windows, Windows" but their kids it's "Google, Google, Google."
So legacy is there but it's power is not as great as it was.
I've got a $400 suite of embroidery software designed for Windows 7 that uses an obscure USB dongle for authentication. It is just easier to keep the old laptop on Windows for that than try to make anticopy authentication try to run on linux.
The big issue with Linux is that the normal user wants to have a packaged deal when they buy their computer and do not want to do some OS installation.
Another issue is that there is not one Linux but hundreds versions. The normal user does not understand which distribution is the best for them. Even if they try Linux they often get the wrong one which does not suit them.
A big positive step was what Valve did by their own SteamOS on their SteamDecks. They have created a packaged deal which is easy to understand and use for the normal user but still allows adjustments for the more tech-savy people.
When it comes to working with audio on Linux, you pretty much need to setup JACK-2 (there is Jack-1, but Jack-2 uses multiple CPU cores). Regular consumers can use Pulseaudio though which comes with most distros by default.