Video covering marvel rivals season 1 full patch coming very soon. What are your thoughts on 6v6 going to Arcade? I find it silly as explained why in the video.
My guess is 6v6 is more or less as popular as classic (10ish% of games played) in terms of retention so they are giving it the same treatment as other less played modes. That would mean that most likely the majority of old ow players have already moved on and people who remain keep playing 5v5 for whatever reason (preference? Queue times?). Other reason I can think about that compoundd with the previous point, is that 6v6 is maybe dividing the already small pool of tank players, afecting 5v5 matchnaking so they are obfuscating 6v6 to try to address that.
@@DonCarmolo They said they are extending it because its popular but then put it in the 'irrelevant' tab. Why? Why change the tab? Why not put OW Classic in arcade instead? Or remove mystery heroes and put OW Classic, New 6V6 and 5v5 ALL IN ONE SPOT???
They said classic was also "popular" and I think they divulged in a blog that the retention was like 10% as I said. I think they always communicate things with a positive spin even when they are not, remember how they said pve was cancelled?
@@AbbyAZK I may be misremembering, but I think they did the same with classic. QP then said it was popular and blabla and shoved it to arcade for 2 more weeks because it was the 4th most popular mode (which implies that mystery heroes is 3rd lol). I think that the sad truth may be that the present OW's player base in general doesn't know or care for how the game was before they slapped the 2 on the name and turned the game into what it is now.
Apparently 6v6 RQ was TOO successful, and the devs are trying to make it appear like they didn't waste years worth of time and money with 5v5, so they chose to hide it in the Arcade. Sabotage seems the only possible reason for this garbage. I firmly believe now that the devs are afraid of admitting defeat when it comes to 5v5 vs 6v6. THIS TEAM DOES NOT WANT OVERWATCH 1 PLAYERS, period.
The 6 v 6 queue also had a 'bug' where it could 'accidentally' put you into a 5 v 5 game. Most people just brush it off "oh woops I accidentally queued 5v5".. But it happened to me 3 times. After the first time, I MADE sure to know I'm queuing 6v6 every time. Still happened. I seen 3 different posts on the forum about queuing 5v5 'accidentally' and even one other guy mentioned the bug, there's no accidentally queuing the wrong queue.
I see it as them purposely trying to hide 6v6, they're embarrassed it was so successful. Just like how they tried to sabotage it with buffing already annoying characters in 6v6 they dont want to admit that abandoning overwatch 1 was for nothing. So they're hiding the game mode in hopes that less play it to justify Overwatch 2 existing. Its also an excuse to not completely overhaul the characters to work in 6v6 again because "Its just a silly arcade mode"
i thought 6v6 was going to be removed anyway (until the tests are done) so putting it in the arcade is just a bonus and although i do agree that i would prefer if they had it in normal queue, its still doesnt seem malicious to me. i may be missing something here thought plz correct me
God this is so frustrating, like do you not see your game getting absolutely dunked on by marvel rivals and STILL refuse to give people what they want to play. I want to love this game but man these devs are making it harder day by day.
I feel like the q times are inaccurate, I've never been in q for longer than 3 minutes even when the notification says that I'll get a 20+ min q. It honestly feels like they're just trying to sabotage the 6v6 game mode.
Yeah if ur below plat a sub 5 minutes queue is standard. Once u get up to diamond or masters, You'll be waiting 10 minutes for a QUICK match. Just look up top streamers, if they're in gm half the time just look up at the queue and it's sum shit like 23:07
@@thedarkknifeI feel like that’s a straight lie cause I’m masters 3 on tank and longest q I had for tank was like 8 minutes and it was early in the morning I’m talking like 6 am. Maybe pc is different but it’s not an issue in console
@@natedavis2944 tank is the least played role so you will get faster queues because there is more demand for tank than any other role, queues for support are atrocious and dps are somewhat ok
@ I’m diamond on support and 90% of the time I just get a 3 minute q. Idk I don’t have q time issues remotely with the mode. But whatever I’m sure they’d ruin 6v6 anyways they have zero idea how to balance their game anyways
Their game is getting destroyed by rivals, like they announced at least 4 heroes and 3 maps IN 1 SEASON, meanwhile what do we get to start the year with ow recolors and 6v6 is going to the arcade, at this point it's sabotage.
@its_lucky2526 Honestly seeing the garbage they made for the first and only PvE act Im glad they did, it's either well done or just don't release it at all, it's disrespectful to the people who kept playing the game even during the content drought.
They're not going to keep up with 4 heroes and 3 maps every season. Rivals has just released. They will have been working on these new heroes way before launch.
It will switch to 2 heroes and a map per season, but not due to lack of chracters or content. There are already 15 more chracters leaked. @@sleepeasy3343
I legit thought 6v6 was gone yesterday since it wasn’t in its normal spot. I’m assuming putting it in arcade is a part of their “experiment” but what shitty timing. Blizzard makes such weird decisions.
sabotaging themselves right at this critical moment when theres a competition thats taking their players away, shows that there is a problem in their team.
They are really fking up at a higher rate of speed than I expected. I disagree with the move as well. Rivals is helping OW kill itself and it’s sad to see a game I’ve loved for so long like this. I never touch arcade or even qp. Me and my wife tried 6v6 and liked it a lot. We want it in comp but that’ll happen when hell freezes over.
I always wanted mystery heroes competitive. But by the time they bothered to implement it, there was too many heroes and I lost interest. Maybe if I could limit it to 10 of my own choice, it would be worth playing again.
Wrost part is that there's no way to know it was going to the arcade if you didn't saw Aaron's twet. Makes no sense and it just makes me sad. 6V6 is out and nobody cares because of Rivals, not much videos about it, the content creators aren't playing and there's nothing more to do this season.
6v6 was never an option for blizzard. 5v5 is not going away, they have said multiple times that 6v6 will never come back. The only reason we have 6v6 tests is because its a poor/effortlessly attempt at competing with MR.
@@anthonyfarias5076 hes not tho x) he is still one of the worst heroes ingame, he just happens to fit in well with this current meta other than that he is utter garbage on his own. He is decent for 2 weeks and they nerf him into the ground while hard buffind no skilled heroes like moira.
Absolutely pissed, I WANT COMPETITIVE! I officially gave up on these devs. Completely hopeless. Disappointment after disappointment. Fun fact, a friend and I were going to play Overwatch last night but since 6v6 is gone. We just went to Rivals instead.
Devs have said multiple times that 6v6 will never come back, the only reason we have 6v6 tests is because MR came out. If not for MR we would never have had 6v6 tests and the new tank hazard proves that 5v5 will stay. They would never release a new hero just for him to be reworked for 6v6. All the heroes that are balanced for 5v5 are playable in the 6v6 tests which again proves that the 6v6 tests were a quick and thoughtless mode made just to give us a poor reason to play OW over MR.
I think the 6v6 test results are tainted bc they sat on their butts and waited until after Marvel Rivals to run the test. Im a huge 6v6 supporter but i only played 2-3 games bc Rivals is new, better, and has 6v6 comp.
Because they thought 6v6 would straight up delete marvel rivals forgetting that mfs stopped playing for a bunch of reasons. And I could have sworn the reg 6v6 test was supposed to be last if I'm correct ig they pushed it forward
@@travisabr1294 it’s absolutely not an assumption, they put 6v6 in the tab with some of the least player activity and retention. The mode is either not getting updated or will eventually fizzle out from neglection from the dev team and later get removed/replaced later down the line. They wouldn’t have moved 6v6 to arcade if the motive wasn’t to lessen the amount of people playing it. Hell, 6v6 even had a “bug” where it’d queue you into a match of 5v5 😂 the battles been lost unfortunately and blizzard is just trolling these players
Ik this is a different issue but I've wanted for years now, for the arcade to have less modes in it at once. People don't play it much and it does need rewards that people actually care about, but ontop of that I play on oceania servers where finding stuff like arcade games is even harder i think, and, there's way too many modes for you to find a single match of I think pretty much any of them. Earlier in ow2 i played a bit of total mayhem but the past 3 or more times I've tried to queue it I waited for at least an hour and then gave up. Less modes at once, more rewards, ones people care about, and actually in game market these rewards, show on the arcade card or above it a little icon to show what the current rewards are for winning 3 or something games of arcade.
Tell me if I’m wrong but aren’t the devs not responsible for choices like this? I thought majority of these things are from the higher ups that decline everything and just want skins put in for money
You know what? They could've kept the lootbox system in Arcade except replace lootbox with gold coin currency 100 each and at the end you get 10 or 30 mythic prisms. But they ain't gonna do that, crazy how in Rivals people are getting better treatment in 1 season than they have in OW for 13 seasons including the current one. :|
This is what I said too, the LEAST they could have done was keep the free boxes for Arcade and let it update with nonseasonal items for new heroes so it stays fresh even for existing players
Meanwhile we have Strinova which is rather fun, but they too rather keep skins away from free players to capitalize on selling to whales. Somehow companies love short term dying games over a successful long running game where customers feel like it is worth playing.
A simple in game survey would do wonders for this game. Fortnite and any other game worth their salt will litterally ask you after a game "How do you feel about this mechanic on a scale of 1 to 5, and why" After playing 9 6v6 games they should have had a survey just asking "how do you feel about 6v6". I guarentee the results would be exactly what we all think
I have zero faith in min 1 max 3, everyone has played open queue and kingmaker and most people hated kingmaker so what makes them think min 1 max 3 is even worth testing, it feels like pointless padding, like can we actually get something exciting. Like just make a 6v6 a permanent mode so i can play comp
The course of action they took is expected tbh. They don't want to have to balance both 6v6 & 5v5. They don't want que times to increase. They don't want to go back to 6v6 entirely & alienate 5v5 enjoyers. What I think would have been the best course of action personally; Put 6v6 in the QP & Competitive playlists. Choose a few streamers or high tier players (who are active in the community) the ability to balance the 6v6 format for that season. Choose a new group of players to adjust balance for the next season & repeat. This way, the Dev team can focus on the 5v5 format & 6v6 enjoyers can play the game they want to play with no complaints. The only downside to this would be that que times would take a hit from players being split amongst more game modes. But, I think the que time issue is mostly solved by simply increasing player numbers; roll out consistent content & just have a good game that players want to return to.
At this point they deserve a dead game. They've proven themselves over the years to be incredibly arrogant and stubborn WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING A PRODUCT. All it takes for someone else to steal their players now is to simply NOT be blizzard.
I have a feeling the devs realize and understand that 6v6 is what the vast majority of the playerbase wants and that 6v6 is objectively better than 5v5, but they are too lazy to put in the work to make the changes to make it the main mode again. They’re also probably embarrassed that they’ve wasted the past 2+ years with 5v5. Ever since they cancelled PvE, I’ve been wondering what the devs even do, because they clearly don’t work very hard or very much given that each new season has so little content along with balance changes that make us question whether the devs even play the game. With Marvel Rivals out now, it emphasized how little the devs really do. As players, we deserve so much more, which is why I haven’t been playing much OW and I’ve been grinding Rivals because those devs are willing to put in the time and effort to keep their players happy and wanting to come back.
Should talk about how the hero progression in rivals actually feels satisfying. I have set a goal to unlock lord for every hero, and I'm having a blast doing it. It takes about 25 hours on average for me to do and feels obtainable. In overwatch, the hero progression feels pointless because most of the stuff in it just means nothing. You have to spend thousands of hours to even max out a hero, and the rewards are ugly and terribly done. It's exciting to show off your lord icon in rivals, but the stuff in overwatch feels worthless, and I think It's because the game is just over bloated with worthless stuff. Take the titles for example, because they pump out meaningless titles in the battle pass any of the special titles or rare titles becomes lost. Titles should have been an extremely rare thing to get so that they still have meaning when you equip them.
I know this wasn't the point of your video, but you briefly mentioned the winter modes including the yeti hunt one. I tried playing one game of it for nostalgia and it played NOTHING like the OW1 yeti hunt because it has OW2 Mei WITHOUT the freezing primary fire and S9 health pools. Yeti doesn't have to respect the Meis at all because he can't get chain-frozen and punished like in the OG mode. I swear they even put in the headshot reduction passive for the Yeti. Even the arcade modes can't escape OW2's raid boss tank design philosophy. I couldn't complete the play 3 Yeti Hunt games challenge because the game mode was dead a few days later and I gave up after sitting in queue for 10 minutes when I decided to give it a try again.
1:51 I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS!!!!!! CTF and TDM should have been in the Gameplay Rotation for QP since it came out. But all there is Payload and Capture the point.
It's weird to me that the longest part of the 6v6 test has been the role-queue version. RQ was just an answer for goats, they didn't even try having a fun 6v6 open queue with hero limits. Which was most peoples favorite version of OW
I know it’s a small change but , they should just leave it there and not move it to the arcade mode, nobody plays arcade. The good thing that 6v6 fans are dedicated and the queue times are ok. Overwatch dev team trying to not shot themselves in the foot ( impossible )
Sad it took 2 years for 6v6 just to come back, and to put it into arcade is just a slap in the face. 5v5 is a failure, move on and take the L. 6v6 is just better.
I’m a 5v5 tank player but I do have to admit, when my group gets 6 people , it is definitely handy to have to option to play 6v6 instead of kicking out a friend . And whenever someone is done playing we go back to 5v5
China gets access to OW in February. I think we'll have a good idea of whether OW is even going to try to compete with MR by end of next month or if they're just going to put their heads down and maintain the player base still around. They really need a big Season 15.
I logged on yesterday and saw it was gone. I started freaking out and clicked on arcade and saw it was there. I just don’t see why you would do that? 6v6 is the only reason i’m still playing. Rivals is boring to me so if i lose 6v6, i guess I’m learning guitar or something
Blizzard response to competition seems to be speed running how fast customers turn from their products. PoE2, Marvel Rivals and the Bazaar are games all competing for the same customers. Blizzard's response - snide remarks on X and rolling out pay-4-rerolls in HS Battlegrounds as a "content" update.
Yeah, the argument that large swavs of the active playerbase never touches arcade is pretty damming. Plus regardless of their reasoning putting 6vs6 in arcade ,inherently says in-between the lines that they do not see it as a primary mode like 5vs5 is. This is a really dumb forced error ot there party because the whole point and genius behind keeping both is that you can prop them up as duel modes and create an everyone wins type scenario. Its still possible vut they have to walk this back and soon before it leaves the OW ecosystem, so they can keep up with their repairing PR that they are indeed actually listening to us.
They probably moved it to arcade so alt accounts can't get their 50 qp wins in the 6v6 test. If anyone wonder, new accounts need 50 wins in qp to qualify for ranked.
At the end of the day, they know they can't do both, but they also know they messed up giving us a taste of 6v6 because now, we have more 6v6 fans whereas before it was 30-70 for 5v5. Now I genuinely think its 50-50 split or 40-60. They have screwed themself.
There also a bug in 6v6 where sometimes I'll get backfilled into a server & stuck at 5 fps so I have to leave & the leaver penalty is still enabled in Arcade. So I gotta play like 20 games of QP to go back into 6v6 & not get a penalty
I'll never forget when Frogger was doing an end of season review video that was 40 minutes long and to prove how dead Low Gravity was he queued up at the beginning of the video... 40 minutes and didn't find a match. 😂
That's precisely what happened: I logged back into Overwatch, clicked "play", saw 6v6 was no longer there, and promptly Alt+F4'd and opened Marvel Rivals. Were it not for this video, I wouldn't even know it's been moved to the Arcade Also yeah wtf is Mystery Heroes doing here? I give so little shit about it I didn't fully register it was even there Blizzard, lmao
Arcade has been dead even at the end of OW1, youd have to wait way to long for just one game of low gravity Merge it with custom games so people can just play them there
So the only valid reason i could come up with for the move to acade is that they had to make room in UR for the next 6v6 test (min 1 max 3). To my understanding, the 6v6 role queue test was supposed to end yesterday? So maybe they had it scheduled to load the new 6v6 test into UR, but keep it hidden (like they do with new heros before launch) so they had to move the 6v6 role out to make room.
Let's face the fact they know that 6v6 is the better format than the 5v5 and they rather how you say want to "Stand on Business" on the decision that they made when launching OW2. They know if 6v6 stays in the unranked or God forbid it gets added to Competitive it will make them look like idiots that the fan base that was begging for 6v6 was right with making the move to go back. Great video Abby keep up the good work.
I don't understand the point of moving 6v6 to arcade. If they are gonna remove it mid season for the min 1 max 3 format of 6v6, why not leaving it on unranked until that day? They are gonna remove it from arcade anyways when it lands. At this point they will have no excuse on saying that 6v6 can't come back, they recognize it was a success even when a lot of their player base are currently on Marvel Rivals.
they don't want 6v6 to become the mainstream format because the would have to 1. admit they were wrong (people don't like doing this.) 2. undo many terrible balance changes. (Season 9.etc) 3. switch becomes harder to play because it was made for 5v5. 4 they have to do their jobs for a change and rebalance the game. 5. they cant even justify calling it overwatch 2 anymore because it was just a store update. Luckily Marvel Rivals is out or they wouldn't have done anything at all for 6v6
IMO the most likely explanation is that they saw 6v6's success and moved it to the arcade because they know the arcade isnt popular, trying to bring population to the arcade
I think because they have another test coming they're seeing if it can retain any interest in the arcade before they switch to the min 1 max 3 mode. Is it smart? I don't think so but Blizzard has never been good at comprehending data
You think Capture the Flag should have been a mainstay game mode? Well I tell you, I COMPLETELY AGREE. The only reason people hate it is they have no idea how to play it. I've been Top 500 in every season of Competitive CTF and I miss it very badly, the arcade version is full of people doing stupid things you don't see in the high ranked competitive.
I was really curious about the 6v6 test. But as soon as they advertised it as a nostalgia arcade mode instead of a proper test i lost all interest. Doesn’t feel like they take it seriously
After day 1 of 6v6 going to arcade, it doesn't feel that bad to me. Queue times aren't absolutely down the toilet, I'm still getting games pretty quickly. I think the 6v6 players care enough to seek out the format in the arcade.
The point is... why move it? How does it help the game to hide a very popular mode? Newcomers are going to flock to 5v5 because they wont know enough to give 6v6 a chance. I thought the idea of them sabotaging the 6v6 test was ridiculous at first... now there seems to be no other explanation.
I don't think it's out of malice. If they were purposefully downplaying 6v6's success then Aaron wouldn't make that tweet in the first place and they wouldn't have continued the 6v6 "test". I think it's just the classic team 4 way of doing things in the worst way possible because they are that incompetent. Instead of making incentives for people to come play their game when a big competitor is feasting right now they do some shit changes that no one asked for and these changes really only hurt them.
Would be nice if they revamped the matchfinder. Have it be more like COD, have a category then you can select what game modes in that category you would like to queue up for. In the off chance I want to play arcade I don't want to wait in queue for 20 minutes for one game mode. Let me queue up for 5 different modes and drop me in the one with the shortest queue. Keep all unranked in the same mode and let us queue what modes we want. Maybe I don't care if it's 5v5 or 6v6 I just want to be put in something ASAP
Capture the flag should be a competitive mode, but we'll probably get another "move this from A to B" or "Capture points A B C... Until you win" kinda mode, they just can't create something new
How many more neutral point game modes can they make? Payload is the only fun game type but they put in 10 versions of neutral point , I’d rather player cod if we’re just running down mid to afk on point
I know this is off topic but don’t they have a 6v6 game mode coming out with moth meta or something like that and if anyone knows when it could be coming out could anyone let me know
There was a mission from the challenges where you had to play arcade, ngl i didnt mind that, its even more accessible than the 30 comp games since some people refuse to play comp(understandable). Also the queue times in the 6v6 modes felt unreliable? Like it always told me supp queues were 6+ minutes but my longest queue during the 6v6 tests was like 4 minutes at 3 am
I definitely see your point. But also they said they weren’t going keep it and now they will. It’s something. It is lame they put it into arcade and put mystery hero’s into unranked .
Video covering marvel rivals season 1 full patch coming very soon. What are your thoughts on 6v6 going to Arcade? I find it silly as explained why in the video.
My guess is 6v6 is more or less as popular as classic (10ish% of games played) in terms of retention so they are giving it the same treatment as other less played modes. That would mean that most likely the majority of old ow players have already moved on and people who remain keep playing 5v5 for whatever reason (preference? Queue times?). Other reason I can think about that compoundd with the previous point, is that 6v6 is maybe dividing the already small pool of tank players, afecting 5v5 matchnaking so they are obfuscating 6v6 to try to address that.
@@DonCarmolo They said they are extending it because its popular but then put it in the 'irrelevant' tab.
Why? Why change the tab? Why not put OW Classic in arcade instead? Or remove mystery heroes and put OW Classic, New 6V6 and 5v5 ALL IN ONE SPOT???
They said classic was also "popular" and I think they divulged in a blog that the retention was like 10% as I said. I think they always communicate things with a positive spin even when they are not, remember how they said pve was cancelled?
@@DonCarmolo Didnt' Classic also appear in the QP tab as well?
@@AbbyAZK I may be misremembering, but I think they did the same with classic. QP then said it was popular and blabla and shoved it to arcade for 2 more weeks because it was the 4th most popular mode (which implies that mystery heroes is 3rd lol). I think that the sad truth may be that the present OW's player base in general doesn't know or care for how the game was before they slapped the 2 on the name and turned the game into what it is now.
Apparently 6v6 RQ was TOO successful, and the devs are trying to make it appear like they didn't waste years worth of time and money with 5v5, so they chose to hide it in the Arcade. Sabotage seems the only possible reason for this garbage. I firmly believe now that the devs are afraid of admitting defeat when it comes to 5v5 vs 6v6. THIS TEAM DOES NOT WANT OVERWATCH 1 PLAYERS, period.
I doubt it was “successful” everyone is playing MR
Schizo posting
you actually sound insane here go touch some grass, they literally said they were gonna do this before the 6v6 tests even began
@@advancegeo2986 Wrong, they never said they would move the mode to Arcade.
The 6 v 6 queue also had a 'bug' where it could 'accidentally' put you into a 5 v 5 game. Most people just brush it off "oh woops I accidentally queued 5v5".. But it happened to me 3 times. After the first time, I MADE sure to know I'm queuing 6v6 every time. Still happened.
I seen 3 different posts on the forum about queuing 5v5 'accidentally' and even one other guy mentioned the bug, there's no accidentally queuing the wrong queue.
I see it as them purposely trying to hide 6v6, they're embarrassed it was so successful. Just like how they tried to sabotage it with buffing already annoying characters in 6v6 they dont want to admit that abandoning overwatch 1 was for nothing. So they're hiding the game mode in hopes that less play it to justify Overwatch 2 existing. Its also an excuse to not completely overhaul the characters to work in 6v6 again because "Its just a silly arcade mode"
Don't forget releasing it when they knew A LOT of players were going to be too distracted with the holidays and Marvel Rivals release.
The only purpose Overwatch 2 has, is to nickle and dime every customer.
Everything else was better in Overwatch 1.
i thought 6v6 was going to be removed anyway (until the tests are done) so putting it in the arcade is just a bonus and although i do agree that i would prefer if they had it in normal queue, its still doesnt seem malicious to me. i may be missing something here thought plz correct me
God this is so frustrating, like do you not see your game getting absolutely dunked on by marvel rivals and STILL refuse to give people what they want to play. I want to love this game but man these devs are making it harder day by day.
Come to Rivals man at least the devs listen to their fanbase!
Rivals is just a copy paste of OW. Just more spammy, worse hero design, and worse game physics...glorified mobile game. CLUNKY!
@@travisabr1294are you ok?
@travisabr1294 And overwatch copied tf2. Get over it, dude its Overwatch's time to die.
Can’t teach an old dog new tricks
I feel like the q times are inaccurate, I've never been in q for longer than 3 minutes even when the notification says that I'll get a 20+ min q. It honestly feels like they're just trying to sabotage the 6v6 game mode.
Queue times change based on the rank player pool
Yeah if ur below plat a sub 5 minutes queue is standard. Once u get up to diamond or masters, You'll be waiting 10 minutes for a QUICK match. Just look up top streamers, if they're in gm half the time just look up at the queue and it's sum shit like 23:07
@@thedarkknifeI feel like that’s a straight lie cause I’m masters 3 on tank and longest q I had for tank was like 8 minutes and it was early in the morning I’m talking like 6 am. Maybe pc is different but it’s not an issue in console
@@natedavis2944 tank is the least played role so you will get faster queues because there is more demand for tank than any other role,
queues for support are atrocious and dps are somewhat ok
@ I’m diamond on support and 90% of the time I just get a 3 minute q. Idk I don’t have q time issues remotely with the mode. But whatever I’m sure they’d ruin 6v6 anyways they have zero idea how to balance their game anyways
The devs will sabotage 6v6 and set it up to failure. I called this prediction a while ago and nobody believed me.
They called me crazy They all called me crazy
They hated us for we spoke the truth
Their game is getting destroyed by rivals, like they announced at least 4 heroes and 3 maps IN 1 SEASON, meanwhile what do we get to start the year with ow recolors and 6v6 is going to the arcade, at this point it's sabotage.
they cancelled pve for this
@its_lucky2526 Honestly seeing the garbage they made for the first and only PvE act Im glad they did, it's either well done or just don't release it at all, it's disrespectful to the people who kept playing the game even during the content drought.
They're not going to keep up with 4 heroes and 3 maps every season. Rivals has just released. They will have been working on these new heroes way before launch.
@@sleepeasy3343exactly, people don’t seem to know that. Season 0 is more like a month long play test than anything
It will switch to 2 heroes and a map per season, but not due to lack of chracters or content. There are already 15 more chracters leaked. @@sleepeasy3343
I legit thought 6v6 was gone yesterday since it wasn’t in its normal spot. I’m assuming putting it in arcade is a part of their “experiment” but what shitty timing. Blizzard makes such weird decisions.
They're literally just trying to sabotage the player retention by making people think it's gone
sabotaging themselves right at this critical moment when theres a competition thats taking their players away, shows that there is a problem in their team.
It was going to be gone anyway it got extended, this is dumb
@anonymous01201 yea but if youre going to expand the time on it because it was successful why moving it to the arcade card that no one opens
Y'all don't play arcade?@@mofumofu9648
They are really fking up at a higher rate of speed than I expected. I disagree with the move as well. Rivals is helping OW kill itself and it’s sad to see a game I’ve loved for so long like this. I never touch arcade or even qp. Me and my wife tried 6v6 and liked it a lot. We want it in comp but that’ll happen when hell freezes over.
You shouldn't be surprised, Blizzard compare 6v6 supporters to yapping dogs. They will never admit they were wrong, ego too big.
It would make so much sense to leave 6v6 in unranked, make a 6v6 competitive queue and literally punt mystery heroes to arcade where it belongs
I always wanted mystery heroes competitive.
But by the time they bothered to implement it, there was too many heroes and I lost interest.
Maybe if I could limit it to 10 of my own choice, it would be worth playing again.
There's this company who listens and there's this who never learns.
Wrost part is that there's no way to know it was going to the arcade if you didn't saw Aaron's twet. Makes no sense and it just makes me sad.
6V6 is out and nobody cares because of Rivals, not much videos about it, the content creators aren't playing and there's nothing more to do this season.
EXACTLY!!! I didn't mention this but today when my mate logged in he literally said where is 6v6? This is ridiculous man
@@AbbyAZK I try to be at good faith, but it's hard to not think they aren't saboting 6v6 doing things like that.
6v6 was never an option for blizzard. 5v5 is not going away, they have said multiple times that 6v6 will never come back. The only reason we have 6v6 tests is because its a poor/effortlessly attempt at competing with MR.
At least genji is good 🤷♀️
@@anthonyfarias5076 hes not tho x) he is still one of the worst heroes ingame, he just happens to fit in well with this current meta other than that he is utter garbage on his own. He is decent for 2 weeks and they nerf him into the ground while hard buffind no skilled heroes like moira.
Absolutely pissed, I WANT COMPETITIVE!
I officially gave up on these devs. Completely hopeless. Disappointment after disappointment.
Fun fact, a friend and I were going to play Overwatch last night but since 6v6 is gone. We just went to Rivals instead.
ow devs are actively killing its playerbase and there is no hope.
i wish i enjoyed marvels rivals, it just isn't for me.
OW2 is the only game I've been with that has messed up so badly that I actively wish for its downfall now Rivals is out.
yet more proof they never even wanted to do 6v6 and hate that it's popular
remember we swapped cause two main tanks were "oppressive" said the silver
Reminder that the whole OW dev team is probably around platinum rank, while the Rivals dev team are actually really skilled at their own game.
No, we swapped because nobody wanted to play tank.
But that was because playing tank was boring, and it didn't become more fun with 5v5.
@@SMTenacitybro they are not even plat tbh
@@SMTenacityas a comfterable high plat low diamond player I’m offended you’d compare me to them,they are the highest gold
I had so much fun playing tank in ow1😢@@linusgustafsson2629
Devs have said multiple times that 6v6 will never come back, the only reason we have 6v6 tests is because MR came out. If not for MR we would never have had 6v6 tests and the new tank hazard proves that 5v5 will stay. They would never release a new hero just for him to be reworked for 6v6. All the heroes that are balanced for 5v5 are playable in the 6v6 tests which again proves that the 6v6 tests were a quick and thoughtless mode made just to give us a poor reason to play OW over MR.
Missed the tweet where they literally said we're moving to a 6v6 format. Cope/doompost harder
Bro they will never admit that 5v5 is Just Not working and was an terrible idea. 5v killed the Game.
Great vid.
I think the 6v6 test results are tainted bc they sat on their butts and waited until after Marvel Rivals to run the test. Im a huge 6v6 supporter but i only played 2-3 games bc Rivals is new, better, and has 6v6 comp.
Because they thought 6v6 would straight up delete marvel rivals forgetting that mfs stopped playing for a bunch of reasons. And I could have sworn the reg 6v6 test was supposed to be last if I'm correct ig they pushed it forward
Once I saw they removed the 6v6 test yesterday I immediately uninstalled the game.
Literally what me and a friend did last night as well.
Its in the arcade
@@AbbyAZK but you know that it might as well be gone in that case
@WoWbloodcrazy that's a big assumption
@@travisabr1294 it’s absolutely not an assumption, they put 6v6 in the tab with some of the least player activity and retention. The mode is either not getting updated or will eventually fizzle out from neglection from the dev team and later get removed/replaced later down the line. They wouldn’t have moved 6v6 to arcade if the motive wasn’t to lessen the amount of people playing it. Hell, 6v6 even had a “bug” where it’d queue you into a match of 5v5 😂 the battles been lost unfortunately and blizzard is just trolling these players
Ik this is a different issue but I've wanted for years now, for the arcade to have less modes in it at once. People don't play it much and it does need rewards that people actually care about, but ontop of that I play on oceania servers where finding stuff like arcade games is even harder i think, and, there's way too many modes for you to find a single match of I think pretty much any of them. Earlier in ow2 i played a bit of total mayhem but the past 3 or more times I've tried to queue it I waited for at least an hour and then gave up. Less modes at once, more rewards, ones people care about, and actually in game market these rewards, show on the arcade card or above it a little icon to show what the current rewards are for winning 3 or something games of arcade.
I really hope ow gets a better dev team. As long as these ppl are around dont expect it to get better. My expectations non existent at this point.
Tell me if I’m wrong but aren’t the devs not responsible for choices like this? I thought majority of these things are from the higher ups that decline everything and just want skins put in for money
same. but it hurt to see them being this stupid and ruining their playerbase.
You know what? They could've kept the lootbox system in Arcade except replace lootbox with gold coin currency 100 each and at the end you get 10 or 30 mythic prisms. But they ain't gonna do that, crazy how in Rivals people are getting better treatment in 1 season than they have in OW for 13 seasons including the current one. :|
This is what I said too, the LEAST they could have done was keep the free boxes for Arcade and let it update with nonseasonal items for new heroes so it stays fresh even for existing players
Meanwhile we have Strinova which is rather fun, but they too rather keep skins away from free players to capitalize on selling to whales.
Somehow companies love short term dying games over a successful long running game where customers feel like it is worth playing.
A simple in game survey would do wonders for this game. Fortnite and any other game worth their salt will litterally ask you after a game "How do you feel about this mechanic on a scale of 1 to 5, and why" After playing 9 6v6 games they should have had a survey just asking "how do you feel about 6v6". I guarentee the results would be exactly what we all think
I have zero faith in min 1 max 3, everyone has played open queue and kingmaker and most people hated kingmaker so what makes them think min 1 max 3 is even worth testing, it feels like pointless padding, like can we actually get something exciting. Like just make a 6v6 a permanent mode so i can play comp
exactly we want competitive and s9 patch removed from 6v6
I’m excited for it. I’m still playing open queue from Ow1 and most ppl say rivals is better with open queue. I think 1/3 is a good compromise.
and they still kept role passives and season 9 changes in it 💀
devs are stupid, no chance they will fix it they have too big of a ego to revert their decision. and ofcousre they want the game to be watered down.
Exactly! Like I don't know who asked for that but they need to revert it.
The course of action they took is expected tbh. They don't want to have to balance both 6v6 & 5v5. They don't want que times to increase. They don't want to go back to 6v6 entirely & alienate 5v5 enjoyers.
What I think would have been the best course of action personally;
Put 6v6 in the QP & Competitive playlists. Choose a few streamers or high tier players (who are active in the community) the ability to balance the 6v6 format for that season. Choose a new group of players to adjust balance for the next season & repeat.
This way, the Dev team can focus on the 5v5 format & 6v6 enjoyers can play the game they want to play with no complaints.
The only downside to this would be that que times would take a hit from players being split amongst more game modes. But, I think the que time issue is mostly solved by simply increasing player numbers; roll out consistent content & just have a good game that players want to return to.
Blizzard didnt learn their lesson AGAIN
AGAIN
I see what you did there.
AGAIN
At this point they deserve a dead game. They've proven themselves over the years to be incredibly arrogant and stubborn WHEN THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SELLING A PRODUCT. All it takes for someone else to steal their players now is to simply NOT be blizzard.
Just throw 5v5 in arcade mode instead. That format looks and feels like it belongs there for reals
Blizzard being the biggest reason overwatch fails. New year, same blizzard self sabotage.
Remember guys marvel rivals released 2 years worth of character content for ow in a season
2 of them are trash though
Spot on! Give us 2-2-2 Comp
I forgot the winter brawls were even in there >_
I have a feeling the devs realize and understand that 6v6 is what the vast majority of the playerbase wants and that 6v6 is objectively better than 5v5, but they are too lazy to put in the work to make the changes to make it the main mode again. They’re also probably embarrassed that they’ve wasted the past 2+ years with 5v5. Ever since they cancelled PvE, I’ve been wondering what the devs even do, because they clearly don’t work very hard or very much given that each new season has so little content along with balance changes that make us question whether the devs even play the game. With Marvel Rivals out now, it emphasized how little the devs really do. As players, we deserve so much more, which is why I haven’t been playing much OW and I’ve been grinding Rivals because those devs are willing to put in the time and effort to keep their players happy and wanting to come back.
Should talk about how the hero progression in rivals actually feels satisfying. I have set a goal to unlock lord for every hero, and I'm having a blast doing it. It takes about 25 hours on average for me to do and feels obtainable. In overwatch, the hero progression feels pointless because most of the stuff in it just means nothing. You have to spend thousands of hours to even max out a hero, and the rewards are ugly and terribly done. It's exciting to show off your lord icon in rivals, but the stuff in overwatch feels worthless, and I think It's because the game is just over bloated with worthless stuff. Take the titles for example, because they pump out meaningless titles in the battle pass any of the special titles or rare titles becomes lost. Titles should have been an extremely rare thing to get so that they still have meaning when you equip them.
I'm about to get to all that in the coming week, got the Season 1 patch notes and stuff to cover today too
I’m grinding for the Lord Venom because the icon looks so cool
@cantu7214 thats also who im currently working on XD. I got winters first
I know this wasn't the point of your video, but you briefly mentioned the winter modes including the yeti hunt one. I tried playing one game of it for nostalgia and it played NOTHING like the OW1 yeti hunt because it has OW2 Mei WITHOUT the freezing primary fire and S9 health pools. Yeti doesn't have to respect the Meis at all because he can't get chain-frozen and punished like in the OG mode. I swear they even put in the headshot reduction passive for the Yeti. Even the arcade modes can't escape OW2's raid boss tank design philosophy. I couldn't complete the play 3 Yeti Hunt games challenge because the game mode was dead a few days later and I gave up after sitting in queue for 10 minutes when I decided to give it a try again.
1:51 I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS!!!!!! CTF and TDM should have been in the Gameplay Rotation for QP since it came out.
But all there is Payload and Capture the point.
It's weird to me that the longest part of the 6v6 test has been the role-queue version. RQ was just an answer for goats, they didn't even try having a fun 6v6 open queue with hero limits. Which was most peoples favorite version of OW
I know it’s a small change but , they should just leave it there and not move it to the arcade mode, nobody plays arcade. The good thing that 6v6 fans are dedicated and the queue times are ok.
Overwatch dev team trying to not shot themselves in the foot ( impossible )
Sad it took 2 years for 6v6 just to come back, and to put it into arcade is just a slap in the face. 5v5 is a failure, move on and take the L. 6v6 is just better.
at this point anything overwatch does will become a rant
If only they did NOT wasted two years, shoving 5v5 down everyone's throats.
Them putting 6v6 in the arcade tab just proves to me that they are not taking this “test” seriously….
Whoever suggested 5v5 should get fired.
I can definitely agree nobody plays arcade yesterday I was in over a 10 minute queue for total mayhem more then once
100% agree with CTF should’ve been a gamemode in main game
I’m a 5v5 tank player but I do have to admit, when my group gets 6 people , it is definitely handy to have to option to play 6v6 instead of kicking out a friend . And whenever someone is done playing we go back to 5v5
can confirm, thought 6v6 test was done and had to go to reddit to find out where it went
China gets access to OW in February. I think we'll have a good idea of whether OW is even going to try to compete with MR by end of next month or if they're just going to put their heads down and maintain the player base still around. They really need a big Season 15.
They needed a big Season 14 and Season 6 too but looked at what happened...
I'd combine the unranked and arcade tab. Give the regular modes top billing. And then little squares for the arcade games.
I logged on yesterday and saw it was gone. I started freaking out and clicked on arcade and saw it was there. I just don’t see why you would do that? 6v6 is the only reason i’m still playing. Rivals is boring to me so if i lose 6v6, i guess I’m learning guitar or something
"Guys do you all have phones you all have phones" that is Blizzard in the nutshell
The estimated time is bugged in 6v6 tests queue. We find match in all roles in max 7-8mins at 3am
Blizzard response to competition seems to be speed running how fast customers turn from their products.
PoE2, Marvel Rivals and the Bazaar are games all competing for the same customers. Blizzard's response - snide remarks on X and rolling out pay-4-rerolls in HS Battlegrounds as a "content" update.
Yeah, the argument that large swavs of the active playerbase never touches arcade is pretty damming.
Plus regardless of their reasoning putting 6vs6 in arcade ,inherently says in-between the lines that they do not see it as a primary mode like 5vs5 is.
This is a really dumb forced error ot there party because the whole point and genius behind keeping both is that you can prop them up as duel modes and create an everyone wins type scenario.
Its still possible vut they have to walk this back and soon before it leaves the OW ecosystem, so they can keep up with their repairing PR that they are indeed actually listening to us.
They probably moved it to arcade so alt accounts can't get their 50 qp wins in the 6v6 test. If anyone wonder, new accounts need 50 wins in qp to qualify for ranked.
Yes lol I leveled up 2 alts faster than usual 6v6 was so easy to win 😂
@@lillyteslow5310 gg :)
when they don't find 6v6 they will google it and kn its in arcade...
also quitting a match on arcade has no penalty.
In business we call that “Skewing the data.”
But the untapped potential of Mr. Fantastic has really gotten me hooked, so you know where I’ll be
Just play 6v6 in Marvel Rivals.
Well, what else to expect from a game director who hates original Overwatch but keep milking it selling skins recolors.
Oh I wondered if it ended but why even move it?
They need someone from Marvel rivals to do the things they don't want to do. 😐
At the end of the day, they know they can't do both, but they also know they messed up giving us a taste of 6v6 because now, we have more 6v6 fans whereas before it was 30-70 for 5v5. Now I genuinely think its 50-50 split or 40-60. They have screwed themself.
There also a bug in 6v6 where sometimes I'll get backfilled into a server & stuck at 5 fps so I have to leave & the leaver penalty is still enabled in Arcade.
So I gotta play like 20 games of QP to go back into 6v6 & not get a penalty
MYSTERY HEROES GETS QUICK PLAY, NOT 6V6?
I'll never forget when Frogger was doing an end of season review video that was 40 minutes long and to prove how dead Low Gravity was he queued up at the beginning of the video... 40 minutes and didn't find a match. 😂
I love how we seem to just ignore how many people enjoy 5vs5. The 6vs6ers are just way way way way way way way louder so they are noticed more.
That's precisely what happened: I logged back into Overwatch, clicked "play", saw 6v6 was no longer there, and promptly Alt+F4'd and opened Marvel Rivals. Were it not for this video, I wouldn't even know it's been moved to the Arcade
Also yeah wtf is Mystery Heroes doing here? I give so little shit about it I didn't fully register it was even there
Blizzard, lmao
Arcade has been dead even at the end of OW1, youd have to wait way to long for just one game of low gravity
Merge it with custom games so people can just play them there
So the only valid reason i could come up with for the move to acade is that they had to make room in UR for the next 6v6 test (min 1 max 3). To my understanding, the 6v6 role queue test was supposed to end yesterday? So maybe they had it scheduled to load the new 6v6 test into UR, but keep it hidden (like they do with new heros before launch) so they had to move the 6v6 role out to make room.
Let's face the fact they know that 6v6 is the better format than the 5v5 and they rather how you say want to "Stand on Business" on the decision that they made when launching OW2. They know if 6v6 stays in the unranked or God forbid it gets added to Competitive it will make them look like idiots that the fan base that was begging for 6v6 was right with making the move to go back. Great video Abby keep up the good work.
I uninstalled and there is nothing they can do at this point to make me reinstall. I cleanse my hands of this filth.
Devs are “marvel rivals” supporters!
I don't understand the point of moving 6v6 to arcade. If they are gonna remove it mid season for the min 1 max 3 format of 6v6, why not leaving it on unranked until that day? They are gonna remove it from arcade anyways when it lands.
At this point they will have no excuse on saying that 6v6 can't come back, they recognize it was a success even when a lot of their player base are currently on Marvel Rivals.
they don't want 6v6 to become the mainstream format because the would have to
1. admit they were wrong (people don't like doing this.)
2. undo many terrible balance changes. (Season 9.etc)
3. switch becomes harder to play because it was made for 5v5.
4 they have to do their jobs for a change and rebalance the game.
5. they cant even justify calling it overwatch 2 anymore because it was just a store update.
Luckily Marvel Rivals is out or they wouldn't have done anything at all for 6v6
1:49 i..do..for wrecking ball purposes, but yeah! i understand your point
IMO the most likely explanation is that they saw 6v6's success and moved it to the arcade because they know the arcade isnt popular, trying to bring population to the arcade
6v6 is the only path that ow gains anyone back , rivals and poor decisions have destroyed ow
why are they even wasting time with that min 1 max 3 thing, its never gonna beat 222 and they know it
I think because they have another test coming they're seeing if it can retain any interest in the arcade before they switch to the min 1 max 3 mode. Is it smart? I don't think so but Blizzard has never been good at comprehending data
You think Capture the Flag should have been a mainstay game mode? Well I tell you, I COMPLETELY AGREE. The only reason people hate it is they have no idea how to play it. I've been Top 500 in every season of Competitive CTF and I miss it very badly, the arcade version is full of people doing stupid things you don't see in the high ranked competitive.
I was really curious about the 6v6 test. But as soon as they advertised it as a nostalgia arcade mode instead of a proper test i lost all interest.
Doesn’t feel like they take it seriously
Fully agree and thank you for being vocal about it!
After day 1 of 6v6 going to arcade, it doesn't feel that bad to me. Queue times aren't absolutely down the toilet, I'm still getting games pretty quickly.
I think the 6v6 players care enough to seek out the format in the arcade.
The point is... why move it? How does it help the game to hide a very popular mode? Newcomers are going to flock to 5v5 because they wont know enough to give 6v6 a chance. I thought the idea of them sabotaging the 6v6 test was ridiculous at first... now there seems to be no other explanation.
Yeah it's surprisingly fine, but this will absolutely slow down the rate of "casuals" discovering the mode and trying it out for the first time :/
@@WerewolfKweef The 6v6 test was supposed to be over by now. I'm just glad we have 6v6 anymore at all.
@@VonTachyon you make this comment because over the year we have to come to expect even worse decision from ow devs.
I don't think it's out of malice. If they were purposefully downplaying 6v6's success then Aaron wouldn't make that tweet in the first place and they wouldn't have continued the 6v6 "test". I think it's just the classic team 4 way of doing things in the worst way possible because they are that incompetent. Instead of making incentives for people to come play their game when a big competitor is feasting right now they do some shit changes that no one asked for and these changes really only hurt them.
Imagine the players who don’t watch TH-cam videos or anything just hop on and play. Prob won’t know or look at arcade to see 6v6 is still there
We should all just stop playing ow and go play marvel rivals imo its so good
The tanks and supports are terrible
Would be nice if they revamped the matchfinder. Have it be more like COD, have a category then you can select what game modes in that category you would like to queue up for.
In the off chance I want to play arcade I don't want to wait in queue for 20 minutes for one game mode. Let me queue up for 5 different modes and drop me in the one with the shortest queue.
Keep all unranked in the same mode and let us queue what modes we want. Maybe I don't care if it's 5v5 or 6v6 I just want to be put in something ASAP
Capture the flag should be a competitive mode, but we'll probably get another "move this from A to B" or "Capture points A B C... Until you win" kinda mode, they just can't create something new
How many more neutral point game modes can they make? Payload is the only fun game type but they put in 10 versions of neutral point , I’d rather player cod if we’re just running down mid to afk on point
@yenneferofvengerberg4936 I KNOW they will make a hardpoint mode eventually lmao
I know this is off topic but don’t they have a 6v6 game mode coming out with moth meta or something like that and if anyone knows when it could be coming out could anyone let me know
Yeah I quit Overwatch a few months back and honestly it’s the best decision I’ve ever made
They took away mystery heroes role queue too which was fun and popular
There was a mission from the challenges where you had to play arcade, ngl i didnt mind that, its even more accessible than the 30 comp games since some people refuse to play comp(understandable). Also the queue times in the 6v6 modes felt unreliable? Like it always told me supp queues were 6+ minutes but my longest queue during the 6v6 tests was like 4 minutes at 3 am
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Ow2 is a joke
I definitely see your point. But also they said they weren’t going keep it and now they will. It’s something. It is lame they put it into arcade and put mystery hero’s into unranked .
The reason they extended it is because they delayed the midseason patch, naturally that means they will keep that midseason anyway
6v6 should be Stander NOT an arcade thing.
They are LYING on the Q times I have over 300 games of 6v6 never waited mor than 2 minutes for any role
THEY ARE LYING ABOUT Q TIMES ITS REALLY ALWAYS 2 MINUTES OR LESS.