My favorite example of this (because it was the most blatant, egregious, and flat-out insulting) was - you guessed it - in WCW. From 'The Death of WCW: 10th Anniversary Edition', the chapter on 1998: "WCW had a problem at the Augusta, Georgia, house show on April 30. The main event was scheduled to be Flair versus Hennig, but with Flair out indefinitely and Hennig, well, just not there, fans were very upset. So upset, in fact, that hundreds of them demanded refunds. After thinking over several scenarios, the decision was made to do a last-minute change and have Chris Benoit beat Booker T to win the TV title. It worked; the fans were overjoyed. So the decision was made to do it again the next night. And then again, and again, and again. The belt changed hands four times in four days at the house shows, going from Booker to Benoit to Booker to Benoit to Booker again. Every night, the fans went crazy as they watched something special happen right there in their hometown. But then on Monday, when Booker T showed up to lose the belt to Fit Finley on TV, the announcers never mentioned anything about the house show title changes. They just ignored them, and to all the casual fans watching around the nation, it was as though nothing had ever happened. It also sent a very strong message to all those previously overjoyed fans in Norfolk, Greenville, North Charleston, and Savannah: you don’t count, and if anything happens in your little hick town, it won’t be acknowledged on TV because it’s not important. If they hadn’t already done enough to kill business in those areas, this was another nail in the coffin."
Kind of Like How During the Raven v Dreamer Feud, and Joey Styles &/or Whomever His Broadcast Partner Was at the Time Would Mention that Dreamer HAD NEVER BEATEN Raven ... Yet, Dreamer Had Beaten Raven in Non-Televised Live Events/House Shows ... Proving That Point in a Way
My Dad told me a story about how my grandpa (may he R.I.P) picked up the TV and slammed it to the ground when Valentine won the World Title. My grandpa is the definition of "it's still real to me dammit"
Killjoy what a noob, he is a professional and its cool that he did it, because he could be accused of stealing ideas, your comment is just moaning and trying to iniciate a fight
+Leandro Souto I know he's a professional but all he had to say is it was a coincidence, it's just a video on wrestling history at the end of the day. And how am I starting a fight? So Pacitti already said to Zane the coincidence is okay but suddenly my comment will make them sworn enemies dafuq?
Brian I love the fact you gave credit to Cultaholic and reached out to them about this. You do things the right way and it’s one of the reasons I love your channel. Edit: And well played using Real American for the US Express, the original users of the theme!
@@Ladderthief1 they did, but springsteen would cost too much to license so the company rewrote history by dubbing all their matches with real american.
Chris Jericho winning the WWE championship on RAW was the greatest example of the Dusty Finish in modern times. It was a legitimate 3-count by Earl Hebner and Triple H lost. Sure, it got reversed on account of Earl doing a purposeful fast count cause he hates Triple but it was still a great finish that made ppl both hate The Man of Three H’s even more and sympathize with Y2J.
There’s one phantom Royal Rumble winner that doesn’t get recognized, despite proving he won, Big Show in 2000. Remember the whole “Rocky’s feet touched the floor” story that lead to the 4-way at Mania?
Yeah can’t blame Brian about having an idea/vid ready just for another vid about the same topic. Plus he even talked to Adam Pachitti for permission so it’s ok
My favorite one was when Pedro Morales was Intercontinental Champion and Bob Backlund was Heavyweight Champion and they beat The Wild Samoans in Shea Stadium for the tag team titles but were stripped because back then nobody could hold more then one title. Why did they have the match then? lol During those Championship Scramble matches I always wanted so badly for someone that won the belt to run out of the ring,go to the parking lot,get into their car and drive away. lol
i know you're being facetious but this shit has been going on so long the NWA had to be broken up and reformed before 1960. the one we know of was not the first NWA, it was the 2nd. This kinda stuff happens, too many different minds and different ideas.
@@marcatkinson4149 I know right? Imagine if people got mad that Game of Thrones's tv show went differently from the books. Imagine if FMA fans got annoyed and needed a whole different show to follow that "fake history". Or could you imagine if Star Wars made its extended universe non-canon. Gosh, all those things would be absurd right? Why would anyone want consistent writing from their entertainment?....Oh wait...
CX Grosskreutz They even had it in the game that year and was one of my favourite match types to play. Maybe they should try it out in NXT like with the War Games Match.
Random fact, during WW2 the jet engine was invented in the UK and Germany at the same time (nobody knows which was first) with no espionage involved, sometimes these things just happen when two groups are working on stuff along the same lines.
Triple Gayche and RVD did the same thing in like 2002 or 2003. I popped so loud in my bedroom and the they restarted the match, for whatever kayfabe reason, with Gayche winning.
Chigen Atomic, maybe WWE is waiting some brazilian becames a star (like Cezar Bononi, Adrian Jaoude or Taynara Conti) to debut the title. Book it, Vince!
You missed the AWA title, Hogan won that off Bockwinkel several times only for it to be reversed, many others got screwed in similar fashion, they would also just give it back to mainly Verne or Bockwinkel after being held up for weeks
Matt F all because gagne didn't want hogan to be champ due to him not being technical enough though the most popular wrestler of the time, and kept the title on either himself or bockwinkel because they were good technical wrestlers but they were well past their prime. verne gagne, the original internet mark
Caleb Robinson lol, yea Verne couldn’t see the future even though it was right in front of him in Hogan. I guess his way worked for so long it was hard to just change. But all the bullshit title changes really killed it for me back then.
ferox965 I don’t think he ever held the NWA title, it was WCW by the time he got there. He did win it once off Harley Race in a similar scenario to the AWA wins, but never recognized. Also, was the IWGP champion.
Their 1996 sixty minute Ironman match at Wrestlemania 12 would DEFINITELY fall in that BORING CATEGORY. The first thirty five minutes are nothing but rest holds after rest holds and then the last 25 minutes are nothing more than a reworking/rehashing of their 1992 Survivor Series World Title match...
You could make a whole video talking about Ric Flair's 20 World Title wins compared to his 16 recognized wins. You've only scratched the surface with the brief section on Flair. Like, in 1984 Flair loses the NWA title to Kerry Von Erich. While Flair's loss is unrecognised, Von Erich’s reign IS recognized. WTF?! Also, when Flair signed with the WWF in 1991, and is stripped of the belt, his reign as NWA champion was recognised by WCW but not by the WWF.
I keep hearing and seeing this on numerous channels, but Buddy Rogers was named WWWF champion back in 1963 after his one-fall loss to Lou Thesz was not recognized by the National Wrestling Alliance Northeast promoters (Vince McMahon Sr, and Toots Mondt) and they decided to break away from the NWA, with Rogers as their champion and Thesz as the NWA champ. It was Pat Patterson that "won" the newly created Intercontinental title in a fictitious tournament in Brazil. The theory being that Patterson was already the WWWF North American champ and "won" a South American tournament to unify the titles and be the first I/C champ. Before last year, I never heard of Rogers winning in Brazil.
I'm subbed both to Cultaholic and your channel and i actually enjoy getting takes on one subject on both channels. Hell, i even watch the reviews for RAW and Smackdown on both channels every week.
Back in 1999, Lenny Lane was stripped of his WCW Cruiserweight title after Standards and Practices took them off the air. Psychosis was basically handed the title and told, “Hey, go lose this to Disco Inferno.” I’m not sure the backstory behind Psychosis getting the belt was ever determined beyond “Because reasons.”
I grew up in the Dominican Republic, and that Jack Veneno vs Ric Flair match was legendary. Jack was our Hulk Hogan. I never imagined I would ever see him mentioned on an American Wrestling show. Amazing!
That first minute and a half is why I love this channel. Most TH-camrs aren't as transparent and just claim another guy stole their ideas. Keep up the work, always look forward to your uploads
I hope Cultaholic returned the favour with the link Brian. Also, having Million Dollar Man’s title reign stricken from the record is the biggest injustice in wrestling history, it was a genius move I don’t know why they got cold feet about it afterwards.
I had no idea about Inoki beating Backlund! He's still the greatest champ in that company's history despite the interruption in his reign imo. He could legit stretch the shit out of anyone he faced.
There was one phantom champion where AJ Lee defeated EVE at a live event to win the match but EVE's feet were under the ropes which caused Vickie Guerrero to come out and restart the match (So that technically makes AJ a 4 time Divas Champion)
Interesting how you brought up the Royal Rumble but never mentioned Big Show's phantom win at the 2000 event with footage showing The Rock hit the floor first, that would eventually lead to the clusterfuck that was the main event of WrestleMania
Much respect for your explanation/disclaimer about the coincidence between the Cultaholics video and yours, and for linking their video in the description.
"The 90's were relatively free of title controvery. Other than the most controversial finish in wrestling history, and what is often regarded as the worst moment in Wrestlemania history".
One phantom title change I always bring up is the one where Curt Hennig and Scott Hall "defeated" Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regal in Albuquerque, New Mexico for the AWA tag team belts. The match was described as a 58 minute classic where they even went outside the building and wrestled in the snow. However, it was later revealed that the match never took place. The switch happened because Jimmy Garvin left the AWA for Jim Crockett and they needed to explain how Hennig and Hall got the belts.
Since Scotty 2 Hotty never got to enter the 2005 Rumble, and Cena and Batista eliminated each other, Scotty is the rightful winner of the 2005 Rumble and deserves his Wrestlemania match
Hmmm Zane is part of Wrestletalk....however he reached out to Cultaholic....who promised to take over Wrestletalk....I really need to stop thinking in kayfabe....
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Fabulous Moolah and her nearly three-decade-long title reign. According to a few sources, Moolah lost the title a few times to various women over the years but always demanded a rematch the next day, where she would always get it back. Since the reigns of her challengers were so short, the WWE didn't count any of them as real losses to her record and the official end to her decades-long reign was when she lost to Wendi Richter in 1984.
Your Preface was Pure Class Sir. I love All the Wrestling Channels. Your Channel, WrestleTalk, Wrestlelamia, Cultaholic and WhatCulture. You All ARE great!!
I always got the feeling the "Dusty Finish" was heavily used in the territory days, as the NWA title was controlled by governing body (every Booker), so it had to be agreed on that the title would switch. So when that guy was touring around, they'd have him do a match, and to have the local guy look good and make the crowd feel good about their guy, they have him win, but the finish voids the title switch, thus keeping all sides happy. Just my thought.
Fun fact: Carlos Colón and Victor Jovica still run together WWC (Formerly known as Capitol Sports Promotions in the 80's) the longest running wrestling company in Puerto Rico. WWC's TV show Super Estrellas de la lucha libre have a record over Monday Night Raw because since the 80's it's been airing non stop, making it the longest running weekly episodic television show in history.
Guys like Axel never even entered the match. You can't be eliminated before making it into the ring. You cant be eliminated if you are not in the match = you aren't in the match if you didn't make it into ring
Also, when Rick Martel was AWA champion, he was supposed to defend it against Jerry Lawler in Memphis but because Martel was unproven as a heal, Jarrett and Gagne put the belt on Bockwinkle for a couple of defenses and then gave it back to Martel with Bickwinkle beating Martel was only announced in Memphis
I'm happy to hear that the NWA is starting to recognize some of these reigns, it will be pretty awesome for bobo to be the first black world champ, hogan to have a nwa title reign before getting the wwf title ( too bad for that AWA world title reign though) and all those guys from the Caribbean getting their just title wins
The Dale Gagne (Gagner)/Johnnie Stewart Version of the AWA (AKA Wrestling Superstars Live) Actually Does Recognize Not 1, But 2 of Hogan's "Phantom" AWA World Heavyweight Championship Title Reigns
Yeah I appreciate you mentioning the Cultaholic video, but I dont think you needed to apologize for it. It's all good Brian, you and the Cultaholic guys are great.
I'm glad you put in that quick shot of "The Bash 2009" after you said that there was never a Championship Scramble after Unforgiven. How could you forget that "amazing" match.
Crowldack he was entertaining to watch, but I don't miss him after finding out what he got fired from WhatCulture for and continued to do at Cultaholic (manipulating women, often drink, into sending him nude pics)
You're a genuinely decent guy, Mr. Zane, and most of us believe that you're talking about a true coincidence. Plus, it's a subject that a lot of us think about from time to time as fans. You make great vids.
VACANT vs Phantom Champ. With Stone Cold Soap as referee.
wstine79 Yes!
Yes
Yes!!!
Now go wash up.
You my friend are a genius
My favorite example of this (because it was the most blatant, egregious, and flat-out insulting) was - you guessed it - in WCW.
From 'The Death of WCW: 10th Anniversary Edition', the chapter on 1998:
"WCW had a problem at the Augusta, Georgia, house show on April 30. The main event was scheduled to be Flair versus Hennig, but with Flair out indefinitely and Hennig, well, just not there, fans were very upset. So upset, in fact, that hundreds of them demanded refunds. After thinking over several scenarios, the decision was made to do a last-minute change and have Chris Benoit beat Booker T to win the TV title. It worked; the fans were overjoyed. So the decision was made to do it again the next night. And then again, and again, and again. The belt changed hands four times in four days at the house shows, going from Booker to Benoit to Booker to Benoit to Booker again. Every night, the fans went crazy as they watched something special happen right there in their hometown. But then on Monday, when Booker T showed up to lose the belt to Fit Finley on TV, the announcers never mentioned anything about the house show title changes. They just ignored them, and to all the casual fans watching around the nation, it was as though nothing had ever happened. It also sent a very strong message to all those previously overjoyed fans in Norfolk, Greenville, North Charleston, and Savannah: you don’t count, and if anything happens in your little hick town, it won’t be acknowledged on TV because it’s not important. If they hadn’t already done enough to kill business in those areas, this was another nail in the coffin."
Kind of Like How During the Raven v Dreamer Feud, and Joey Styles &/or Whomever His Broadcast Partner Was at the Time Would Mention that Dreamer HAD NEVER BEATEN Raven ... Yet, Dreamer Had Beaten Raven in Non-Televised Live Events/House Shows ... Proving That Point in a Way
@@frankbonini9128 I'd Gotten that from a Book on ECW that I Believe Was Published by the Same People that Published the Death of WCW
House shows only count if the company decides it does.
When a 10 year olds 1 day title reign is recognized, but yours isn't.
Str8 Krillin where is your nose
You have the best name in youtube
Sloth Johnson
Thanks, I try.
It's a fine name but I like mine
I think they’re both kinda average but I’m not hating
My Dad told me a story about how my grandpa (may he R.I.P) picked up the TV and slammed it to the ground when Valentine won the World Title. My grandpa is the definition of "it's still real to me dammit"
Absolute madman
Awesome lolol
@@mattjustofficial vacant
@@OikPoinFive huh?
🤣 and I thought we got upset when undertaker beats you CAW on legend mode
I don't think you had to be that apologetic, Zane. Cultaholic didn't invent the concept of phantom title changes (as far as I know)
Killjoy what a noob, he is a professional and its cool that he did it, because he could be accused of stealing ideas, your comment is just moaning and trying to iniciate a fight
yeah but you can't prove they didn't invent them....
dusty invented them duh
+Leandro Souto I know he's a professional but all he had to say is it was a coincidence, it's just a video on wrestling history at the end of the day. And how am I starting a fight? So Pacitti already said to Zane the coincidence is okay but suddenly my comment will make them sworn enemies dafuq?
And with the large density of videos they output it's bound to happen
Brian I love the fact you gave credit to Cultaholic and reached out to them about this. You do things the right way and it’s one of the reasons I love your channel.
Edit: And well played using Real American for the US Express, the original users of the theme!
I can't believe it was for Windham and Rotundo, Derringer should have stayed buried!
I thought they used Born in the USA.
@@Ladderthief1 they did, but springsteen would cost too much to license so the company rewrote history by dubbing all their matches with real american.
He only credited them because of marks like you. Cultaholic didn't invent the list.
@@BigJasonMc or because he's not a dick like you
Chris Jericho winning the WWE championship on RAW was the greatest example of the Dusty Finish in modern times. It was a legitimate 3-count by Earl Hebner and Triple H lost. Sure, it got reversed on account of Earl doing a purposeful fast count cause he hates Triple but it was still a great finish that made ppl both hate The Man of Three H’s even more and sympathize with Y2J.
There’s one phantom Royal Rumble winner that doesn’t get recognized, despite proving he won, Big Show in 2000. Remember the whole “Rocky’s feet touched the floor” story that lead to the 4-way at Mania?
yeah and rock flamed the shit big show and made him ignore his own point lmao
They accidentally released big show was suppose to win so they had to change it up
But in a sense he did get a shot
Unofficial and not supposed to happen he isn’t a ‘winner’
what about the greatest champion. VACANT
Weeb Stick
Vacant dominated WCW in 2000
The record of Vacant shall never be broken
yeah vacant needs to be in the HOF
I agree
The wresteser To rival Bruno!
"wrestling back in the day was some straight up carnie shit"
*Regal uncomfortably shifts out of his restful sleep*
working with big daddy in england or working in germany in early 90s for otto?
@@SAM-ru4vx His Earliest Days as an Actual Carnie Wrestling Worker
Brian, we get it, we'd never think you'd rip off Cultaholic..... You're not Name Redacted after all.... ;)
Are we still doing this faction war shit?
Also he acknowledging Cultaholics means Pachitti was fine with it
Yeah can’t blame Brian about having an idea/vid ready just for another vid about the same topic. Plus he even talked to Adam Pachitti for permission so it’s ok
I have seen What Culture copy WatchMojo so they shouldn't be so angry.
Name Redacted?
As a Hip Hop fan I preciate the NWA joke.
John Marston did you watch the video dingy
Antonio Donofrio You couldn’t have watched the video
Took me a minute to get it.
Antonio Donofrio why comment if u have no idea what ur talking about
That was funny
My favorite one was when Pedro Morales was Intercontinental Champion and Bob Backlund was Heavyweight Champion and they beat The Wild Samoans in Shea Stadium for the tag team titles but were stripped because back then nobody could hold more then one title. Why did they have the match then? lol During those Championship Scramble matches I always wanted so badly for someone that won the belt to run out of the ring,go to the parking lot,get into their car and drive away. lol
M Dion Ohhhhhhhh I thought they had to pin the guy.
Backlund was WWF champion at the time but Morales had to wait 4 months after the tag title change( s) to win the intercontinental title
NWA Championship: This is why other Wrestling companies don’t want to be with us anymore
Jacob The Spartan
Well, except Billy Corgan; Smashing Pumpkins.
(smiling politely)
i know you're being facetious but this shit has been going on so long the NWA had to be broken up and reformed before 1960. the one we know of was not the first NWA, it was the 2nd. This kinda stuff happens, too many different minds and different ideas.
Internet idiots getting upset that fake wrestling companies faked out fans by rewriting fake history. Boggles the mind.
@@marcatkinson4149 I know right? Imagine if people got mad that Game of Thrones's tv show went differently from the books. Imagine if FMA fans got annoyed and needed a whole different show to follow that "fake history". Or could you imagine if Star Wars made its extended universe non-canon. Gosh, all those things would be absurd right? Why would anyone want consistent writing from their entertainment?....Oh wait...
God it depresses me thinking how Jinder Mahal and the Great Khali have been World Champion, but Owen Hart wasn’t
greenbayandtottenham the only reason they held the belts were PR reasons
Sergio Navarro your an embarrassment to wrestling if you think that
Rob Picken just bexause he died doesnt mean he's good
"Jinder Mahal and the Great Khali have been World Champion,"
as have David Arquette and Vince Russo...
Jinder Mahal and Great Khali DESERVED to be champions
I liked the basic idea of the Championship Scramble. It's quite sad that they never used it again.
CX Grosskreutz They even had it in the game that year and was one of my favourite match types to play. Maybe they should try it out in NXT like with the War Games Match.
They used it one other time. At The Bash in 2009 with the ECW Title
thekydragon They've used it in Smackdown 2 as well.
Did any of you catch the Hardcore Battle Royal at WrestleMania 16 same idea just executed a little differently .
The Brian Kendrick is the best WWE Champion ever
Here is the man speaking some truth
He is a man with a championship and a plan
It’s honestly a shame he didn’t win that match, even if he only got to hold it for a day or two it would’ve been great.
he was tag team champion for like 2 years and never defended the titles on ppv.
The Brian Kendrick was never a WWE champion he was only a two-time tag team champion and a former Cruiserweight champ
Random fact, during WW2 the jet engine was invented in the UK and Germany at the same time (nobody knows which was first) with no espionage involved, sometimes these things just happen when two groups are working on stuff along the same lines.
jet engine was invented in 1910.
Do you remember when Dean Ambrose pinned HHH at Roadblock in Canada to become champ then the match was restarted and Hunter won?
The Modern-day Maharaja dude when he pinned hunter i popped so hard, then got pissed off when they did the dusty finish
Caleb Robinson me 2 especially because Dean was my favorite wrestler back then
And now, Dean is gone.
@@HWJASURY and is a world champ
Triple Gayche and RVD did the same thing in like 2002 or 2003. I popped so loud in my bedroom and the they restarted the match, for whatever kayfabe reason, with Gayche winning.
I feel like WWE needs to eventually have an event and a title debut at Rio De Janero, as an ode to it.
Chigen Atomic the WWE South American Championship for NXT South America
Logan Brown I bet there's a lot of people who would fucking love that actually
Chigen Atomic, maybe WWE is waiting some brazilian becames a star (like Cezar Bononi, Adrian Jaoude or Taynara Conti) to debut the title. Book it, Vince!
GMA #WrestlingAmino well it's coming just like NXT UK did as well, and NXT Asia and South America and NXT Africa is soon to come
Logan Brown If they did NXT South Africa they could get that guy who low-blowed Randy Orton lol
You missed the AWA title, Hogan won that off Bockwinkel several times only for it to be reversed, many others got screwed in similar fashion, they would also just give it back to mainly Verne or Bockwinkel after being held up for weeks
Matt F all because gagne didn't want hogan to be champ due to him not being technical enough though the most popular wrestler of the time, and kept the title on either himself or bockwinkel because they were good technical wrestlers but they were well past their prime. verne gagne, the original internet mark
Caleb Robinson lol, yea Verne couldn’t see the future even though it was right in front of him in Hogan. I guess his way worked for so long it was hard to just change. But all the bullshit title changes really killed it for me back then.
If they counted Hogan's phantom title changes, he would have been the only man to hold the WWF, AWA, NWA, WCW world titles...
ferox965 I don’t think he ever held the NWA title, it was WCW by the time he got there. He did win it once off Harley Race in a similar scenario to the AWA wins, but never recognized. Also, was the IWGP champion.
Matt F that was my point. If they counted his phantom title e reigns, he would have been the first and only man to hold all those titles.
that NWA reference tho
Viktor Korsun
Fuck the police!
Not as good as the wiggles though. 😂😂
Viktor Korsun Oh! That's what it was!
I'm slow! LOL!
Viktor Korsun I thought I heard Dr. Dre XD
Viktor Korsun *though
This Vacant guy seems to have wrestled in every promotion and must be 70 by now
Vacant's immortal
You forgot probably the most famous one of all time. Hulk Hogan at Bash at the Beach 2000.
This is the only time I heard a match with both Shawn Micheals and Bret Hart in it was boring...........feels strange
Lpaidtiger97 the tag match was bad because it didn't have a top rope so they couldn't do much
Lpaidtiger97 it was not that good
I always thought Bret hart was boring. Great wrestler. But boring as hell
Their 1996 sixty minute Ironman match at Wrestlemania 12 would DEFINITELY fall in that BORING CATEGORY. The first thirty five minutes are nothing but rest holds after rest holds and then the last 25 minutes are nothing more than a reworking/rehashing of their 1992 Survivor Series World Title match...
The fact that Brian even acknowledged their video just goes to show his character. Love your channel🤘
You could make a whole video talking about Ric Flair's 20 World Title wins compared to his 16 recognized wins. You've only scratched the surface with the brief section on Flair. Like, in 1984 Flair loses the NWA title to Kerry Von Erich. While Flair's loss is unrecognised, Von Erich’s reign IS recognized. WTF?! Also, when Flair signed with the WWF in 1991, and is stripped of the belt, his reign as NWA champion was recognised by WCW but not by the WWF.
Back in the 1980's and right up to 1998 WWF made it a habit of recognizing just their own champions . Back then they were pretty much isollationist .
Brock Lesnar = phantom Universal Champion
nice original comment; sure took you a long time to create it
/s
oh, touched a nerve i see for you to bring my mother into the mix, lol
fartsnstuf Pointing out unoriginal comments. How unoriginal.
Drunk Jeff Hardy=phantom champion
Well it’s true isn’t it and exactly
Brian Zane has to be the most likeable youtube personality out there. Very happy for him and all his success.
That NWA transition was great!
I keep hearing and seeing this on numerous channels, but Buddy Rogers was named WWWF champion back in 1963 after his one-fall loss to Lou Thesz was not recognized by the National Wrestling Alliance Northeast promoters (Vince McMahon Sr, and Toots Mondt) and they decided to break away from the NWA, with Rogers as their champion and Thesz as the NWA champ. It was Pat Patterson that "won" the newly created Intercontinental title in a fictitious tournament in Brazil. The theory being that Patterson was already the WWWF North American champ and "won" a South American tournament to unify the titles and be the first I/C champ. Before last year, I never heard of Rogers winning in Brazil.
"Straight up carny shit!" Best closing line for sure!
I'm subbed both to Cultaholic and your channel and i actually enjoy getting takes on one subject on both channels. Hell, i even watch the reviews for RAW and Smackdown on both channels every week.
Back in 1999, Lenny Lane was stripped of his WCW Cruiserweight title after Standards and Practices took them off the air. Psychosis was basically handed the title and told, “Hey, go lose this to Disco Inferno.” I’m not sure the backstory behind Psychosis getting the belt was ever determined beyond “Because reasons.”
I grew up in the Dominican Republic, and that Jack Veneno vs Ric Flair match was legendary. Jack was our Hulk Hogan. I never imagined I would ever see him mentioned on an American Wrestling show. Amazing!
Any place else no one gave a shit about him and he got the win because his people acted like retards, which they still do till this day
That first minute and a half is why I love this channel. Most TH-camrs aren't as transparent and just claim another guy stole their ideas. Keep up the work, always look forward to your uploads
Hardcore Holly? In a title match?
Really?
You sure?
P.S. "Fay-tul FIVE WAY-EEE?!"
I hope Cultaholic returned the favour with the link Brian.
Also, having Million Dollar Man’s title reign stricken from the record is the biggest injustice in wrestling history, it was a genius move I don’t know why they got cold feet about it afterwards.
I had no idea about Inoki beating Backlund! He's still the greatest champ in that company's history despite the interruption in his reign imo. He could legit stretch the shit out of anyone he faced.
That NWA skit.. My gosh lol 😂 the I didn't get it at first lmao
How nice of Brian to include Cultaholic's video too because it coincided.
There was one phantom champion where AJ Lee defeated EVE at a live event to win the match but EVE's feet were under the ropes which caused Vickie Guerrero to come out and restart the match (So that technically makes AJ a 4 time Divas Champion)
I just realized this is my favourite wrestling channel on TH-cam... Also, did Brian get a haircut? Looks good.
I'm a simple man. I see Wrestling With Wregret, I click.
Spencer Valdez I don't think Brian likes if you go randomly poking him. If you mean video, then it's ok
I see youre also a man of culture
EDGY McEDGELORD you're fucking dumb
That picture of Bray and Bo from Extreme Rules truly shows that they're brothers. Look at them grinning mugs!
Ok Man. We believe you.lol It's cool.
Nice startup spot with the WCW World Tour Theme Music..
Didn’t expect The Wiggles to be the outro, but I love it
M . A Campbell same here. I didn't watch the wiggles that much as a kid but that hot potato brought back memories
Interesting how you brought up the Royal Rumble but never mentioned Big Show's phantom win at the 2000 event with footage showing The Rock hit the floor first, that would eventually lead to the clusterfuck that was the main event of WrestleMania
Much respect for your explanation/disclaimer about the coincidence between the Cultaholics video and yours, and for linking their video in the description.
Thank you. Someone finally mentioned the Brian Kendrick title reign. I was hyped when he won the belt for about 5 minutes😂😂
That full disclosure on similar posts and the plugs for Cultaholic are serious class acts. How generous and nicely done!
"The 90's were relatively free of title controvery. Other than the most controversial finish in wrestling history, and what is often regarded as the worst moment in Wrestlemania history".
Ha.... I get it. NWA songs making a NWA reference. Very off guard joke. I love your channel bro.
Ah, a video about the Undertaker, sweet...
It happens BZ. WhatCulture and Cultaholic seems to put similar content around in the same general time frame.
I love Brian Kendrick so the fact he was interim wwe champ makes me happy
The opening of this video is why I love Brian and WWW as nowhere else would you get such honest followed by such great content
*Phantom championships video*
*WCW World Tour Music, which had a ton of fake championships*
Nice.
japan taking control of the nwa world's heavyweight championship is the best one. poor rick rude was given a consolation prize.
One phantom title change I always bring up is the one where Curt Hennig and Scott Hall "defeated" Jimmy Garvin and Steve Regal in Albuquerque, New Mexico for the AWA tag team belts. The match was described as a 58 minute classic where they even went outside the building and wrestled in the snow. However, it was later revealed that the match never took place. The switch happened because Jimmy Garvin left the AWA for Jim Crockett and they needed to explain how Hennig and Hall got the belts.
Tbh both videos on phantom champions are great, taught me things I didn't know!
Very cool of you to show respect to Cultaholic. I'm glad they were understanding and both great vids are out.
Since Scotty 2 Hotty never got to enter the 2005 Rumble, and Cena and Batista eliminated each other, Scotty is the rightful winner of the 2005 Rumble and deserves his Wrestlemania match
Hmmm Zane is part of Wrestletalk....however he reached out to Cultaholic....who promised to take over Wrestletalk....I really need to stop thinking in kayfabe....
I still recognize Brian Kendrick as a former World Heavyweight Champion even if WWE doesn't.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Fabulous Moolah and her nearly three-decade-long title reign. According to a few sources, Moolah lost the title a few times to various women over the years but always demanded a rematch the next day, where she would always get it back. Since the reigns of her challengers were so short, the WWE didn't count any of them as real losses to her record and the official end to her decades-long reign was when she lost to Wendi Richter in 1984.
Loving the music from WCW vs NWO: Revenge in the background! Best Wrestling game ever!
It truly was. I spent many an hour playing that game.
Your Preface was Pure Class Sir. I love All the Wrestling Channels. Your Channel, WrestleTalk, Wrestlelamia, Cultaholic and WhatCulture. You All ARE great!!
I stopped watching WWE about a year ago and I still watch you cause I just love your vids keep it up man
That NWA reference/skit was fucking hilarious
I didn't get it at first either but the NWA was at the door. Clever.
The NWA joke took me way too long to get I seriously thought for a second that Ice Cube has been champ at some point isjxjx
My Thursday morning right here!
I always got the feeling the "Dusty Finish" was heavily used in the territory days, as the NWA title was controlled by governing body (every Booker), so it had to be agreed on that the title would switch. So when that guy was touring around, they'd have him do a match, and to have the local guy look good and make the crowd feel good about their guy, they have him win, but the finish voids the title switch, thus keeping all sides happy. Just my thought.
That Wiggles song at the end brought back childhood memories. Cringeworthy ones too
Its been a minute but i'm a huge fan Brian! Thanks for continuing to make great wrastlin' content!
You and Cultaholic should do a collab
Fun fact: Carlos Colón and Victor Jovica still run together WWC (Formerly known as Capitol Sports Promotions in the 80's) the longest running wrestling company in Puerto Rico. WWC's TV show Super Estrellas de la lucha libre have a record over Monday Night Raw because since the 80's it's been airing non stop, making it the longest running weekly episodic television show in history.
No one cares
What’s wrong with Bob Holly in a title match? Don’t forget that the last time he walked to a WWE ring he was a champion
Zyad Ashraf he was career low to mid card guy. Also a prick.
You are a lovely lad for doing that intro. Cheers mate!😃
What a great way to start off my morning
I enjoyed this episode! Some of these I genuinely didn't know about, or forgot. Especially the Brian Kendick.
cultaholic and www releasing the same video lit
I like that you're still in contact with the Cultaholic lot post-WC and after Adam B went. Would love to see collabs again.
Awesome video. I love the Wiggles song at the end. 😂
Jody Adle that part was the most memorable besides the NWA skit
Jody Adle o.o
I was dying after that when I first saw this video
I actually like when two channels cover a topic. I learn more that way
Guys like Axel never even entered the match. You can't be eliminated before making it into the ring. You cant be eliminated if you are not in the match = you aren't in the match if you didn't make it into ring
Always Imitated, NEVER ELIMINATED!
You have the best intro song of any wrestling channel, i genuinely enjoy it being a metalhead lol
OMG THE WIGGLES AT THE END THATS MY CHILDHOOD
I DIDN'T EVEN THINK PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA EVEN KNEW ABOUT THE WIGGLES
Chris Kent Bro from ages 1-6 all I ever watched was the wiggles
TalkWrestlingTV sameeee, I was soooo disappointed when 75% of my childhood retired
Chris Kent sameeee especially when Greg wasn’t there I couldn’t watch it
TalkWrestlingTV that's when I stopped watching
Also, when Rick Martel was AWA champion, he was supposed to defend it against Jerry Lawler in Memphis but because Martel was unproven as a heal, Jarrett and Gagne put the belt on Bockwinkle for a couple of defenses and then gave it back to Martel with Bickwinkle beating Martel was only announced in Memphis
Zane replacing Blampied in Cultaholic confirmed. 😜
We don't say that name here.
CM Shuckle God i miss Plumpy
Why not? He seen some tits,who really cares?
Shane Riley Well he saw them while in a relationship and by exploiting his fame to get a girl who wasn't comfortable to show them.
Theres something called the "block button"
It's like that movie The Ringer and that South Park episode when Cartman tries to rig the special olympics coming out around the same time.
I'm happy to hear that the NWA is starting to recognize some of these reigns, it will be pretty awesome for bobo to be the first black world champ, hogan to have a nwa title reign before getting the wwf title ( too bad for that AWA world title reign though) and all those guys from the Caribbean getting their just title wins
The Dale Gagne (Gagner)/Johnnie Stewart Version of the AWA (AKA Wrestling Superstars Live) Actually Does Recognize Not 1, But 2 of Hogan's "Phantom" AWA World Heavyweight Championship Title Reigns
Yeah bobo and his people got alot given to them since your comment, they get everything out of pity now
Yeah I appreciate you mentioning the Cultaholic video, but I dont think you needed to apologize for it. It's all good Brian, you and the Cultaholic guys are great.
It’s ok Brian you don’t have to justify yourself👍🏻
I'm glad you put in that quick shot of "The Bash 2009" after you said that there was never a Championship Scramble after Unforgiven. How could you forget that "amazing" match.
I miss Adam "Plumpy" Blampied :(
Go to twitch he does game walk troughs
Jesse lopez Really? What's the name of his channel, my good dude?
Crowldack he was entertaining to watch, but I don't miss him after finding out what he got fired from WhatCulture for and continued to do at Cultaholic (manipulating women, often drink, into sending him nude pics)
NY Gamer Nah, she was just playing the victim card
I agree she was playing the Victim Card. But Adams incessant virtue signaling after the fact, was pretty annoying.
The opening of this video is why Brian is my favorite TH-camr
1:49 -- you're welcome
You're a genuinely decent guy, Mr. Zane, and most of us believe that you're talking about a true coincidence. Plus, it's a subject that a lot of us think about from time to time as fans. You make great vids.