@@teddymorales1388 Give the F14 aim7m, aim9m, and aim54 b which are the missiles that where around in 1986 when the mig 29 came out, or is the US gonna stomp harder?
@@faq187tim9lets bring out the su-33 then with the R-74M and the r-27EM (which is a 170km active radar homing missile) lets see how thats gonna fair its also from 1980’s
I've tested this. The A turns marginally better than the ADF because its a tidy bit more light. The difference is less than 1°/s so they are basically the same.
TLDR, they're exactly the same and the dogfight victory comes down to who makes the first mistake and if the other can capitalize on that mistake for a kill.
I’m not great at warthunder, level 51 wallet warrior with the F-14, grinding for the F-16, need 1 more rank 7, however with my extensive knowledge of this aircraft, I want to let everybody and you know that the F-16 is purposely unstable below Mach 1, this makes it manoeuvrable also known as relaxed static stability. So keep this aircraft under 900kph in a 1 to 1 dogfight.
Oh man, the Hornet is my favourite jet fighter irl... Might finally have a reason to grind the US tree. But at the moment with the current balance of things I'd much rather see more 3.5/4th gen aircraft... Tornado ADV, AV-8B, F-111, Su-24, AJS37, light attack trainers... The US doesn't really need another top tier fighter at the moment
@@jfv2312 well yes ofc but the next fighter will most likely be an F-15A which will use Aim-120s already found in the files. This will of course push top tier back to BVR engagements instead of IR Headons.
@@F-18Super there are already planes in game that could receive the AMRAAM, especifically J37D, most of the F-16s and the german Phantom. I'm sure the F-15 will come soon-ish, but also that we'll get. AIM-120s before it comes
@@jfv2312 well yes I know. I’m saying since they’re already in the game it’s essentially 100% guaranteed that when the F-15A (Or F-18A) drops this time next year, it will carry them.
@MatAWG the ideal speed for turning in an F-16 is between 300 and 350knts (555-648 km/h or 345-402 mph). in American Jets, players should use knts because that is the measurement of speed used in American built aircraft and also the speeds that public information is given in. For max performance, enter the merge at 350knts, then go vertical full burner max pull. If the initial turn is not perfect then maneuver the enemy into a 2 circle rate fight and maintain 300-350knts. you will lose about 100 knts even with afterburners in a max performance turn and 130 to 150 knts without burners. use of flaps in the f-16 should actually be automatic but War Thunder does not emulate this. Suggest not using flaps except in cases where you are able to cut your engine and speed in order to "flop" the aircraft over. short bursts of your air brakes when your speed is above optimum will get you into the groove easier.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 so due to the fly by wire system of the aircraft the pilot should actually not be able to change the flaps, they deploy automatically via the computer which is why the F-16 can pull off some impressive turns. also why its has 2 CAT (catagories) of flight CAT I and CAT III (1 is A2A and 3 is A2G Essentially) ill answer the speed thing in your next comment
@@toyotawitha20mm35 so yes...in most cases. at the very least, you should always keep your burners full when executing the turn. you should only cut your engines and hit the airbrakes hard in order to avoid overshooting your opponent. Generally the vertical will give you the advantage because of the speed at which you can bring the nose around....if the fight continues beyond first cricle, you want to stay away from 1 circle and begin rate fighting the 2 circle because you can out rate anything in a 16.....but this all depends on the situation as well because generally youre fighting multiple people...best thing to do is play one plane over and over and over till you master it.
I was doing a duel against an F-16 ADF the other day in MiG-23MF the other day and despite all odds and technological edges, I still won with a gun kill while carrying a full missile payload of 2 R-23Ts and 4 R-60MKs😂 I just made good use of my engine thrust power and easing off the afterburner in the downward circle since zu took the fight into a vertical even when they tried to do horizontal, then made use of my flaps while needing to pull an edge on them, they only ever managed one gun solution on me and missed, so I suppose it all comes down to which pilot makes less mistakes, even when using comparatively obsolete aircraft.
@@WigSplitters well that’s the thing about War Thunder duels and real ones, skill is rarely the same or even similar, someone usually has the skill advantage over the other, either that or, in War Thunder, are just both noobs who don’t know how to fly cause they bought their way to top tier with a premium fighter or attacker.
This update will change how people play top tier, and hopefully it will make Gaijin change the match maker for 11.0+ BR matches, hoping for big maps only.
I think that the no head on thing in 1v1 dogfights is nice but I think I saw you not shoot a couple of times even tough the enemy's crosshair was nowhere near you thus it would've just been a somewhat tough shot but not a headon as the enemy could not shoot back. Edit: also it is extremely rare to get a head on outside of the first 2 merges so it would be better just to not shoot in the first 2 merges. Edit2: The part where he killed you on a head on is something that would not happen had they not damaged you and it was an unfair headon as you were damaged so I think it was not bad for your opponent to do that.
The problem with 2 circle fighters like f16 in war thunder is the steering we have in game. Using mouse aim and keyboard the elevator is just 100% or nothing. It's great for 1 circle planes like mig29 but for f16 we need to stay in this speed sweet spot to have the best degrees/sec unfortunatelly. Irl f16 is also not so good in 1 circle but it's known for it's superior sustained turn rate (in proper ias). The same would be with mirage f1c. It was pretty decent ratefighter we cannot use in wt. Also phantoms at higher airspeed were fairy decent, just turn radius was as big as whole canada
the f16 block10 should get br11.7 like the ja37d, the viggen have everything better and get 0.3 br lower than f16? what a joke. and f4j have 4 AIM7F and it can stay in 11.3? if f16 block 10 get br12.0, f4j should get lest 13.0
Bro, stop pulling MAX AOA every turn, you're bleeding so much speed in every turn. You're killing yourself by turning into a brick. Energy is more important than being on target.
People are bragging about the Mig 29 being good while the f14a still stomps and is 12 years older.
It’s because the mig radar is broken and cant really fight back at longer range when mig has the best bvr missile in game
Even in a dogfight, the F-14 holds its own with little issue
@@teddymorales1388 Give the F14 aim7m, aim9m, and aim54 b which are the missiles that where around in 1986 when the mig 29 came out, or is the US gonna stomp harder?
Not no more at like 700kph thw mig 29 is litterally point the nose and click. Just wait for everyone to learn how to fly it
@@faq187tim9lets bring out the su-33 then with the R-74M and the r-27EM (which is a 170km active radar homing missile) lets see how thats gonna fair its also from 1980’s
Another difference in the F-16A ADF is that it has 2 bird slices (iff antennas) one in-front of the hud and one underneath the intake
I've tested this. The A turns marginally better than the ADF because its a tidy bit more light. The difference is less than 1°/s so they are basically the same.
The F-16A Block 10 had AN/APG-66 radar. The F-16A Block 15 ADF had AN/APG-66A radar.
You tried launching a missile at .16km away, I can't take this seriously
Don’t hate. He’s just used to using the 29. He needed to readjust.
TLDR, they're exactly the same and the dogfight victory comes down to who makes the first mistake and if the other can capitalize on that mistake for a kill.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 what speed do u merge at
F16 gets handy caped by the flight by wire while the other jets have arcade flight characteristics
I’m not great at warthunder, level 51 wallet warrior with the F-14, grinding for the F-16, need 1 more rank 7, however with my extensive knowledge of this aircraft, I want to let everybody and you know that the F-16 is purposely unstable below Mach 1, this makes it manoeuvrable also known as relaxed static stability. So keep this aircraft under 900kph in a 1 to 1 dogfight.
I can’t wait for the F/A-18A/B
The AOA god
Oh man, the Hornet is my favourite jet fighter irl... Might finally have a reason to grind the US tree. But at the moment with the current balance of things I'd much rather see more 3.5/4th gen aircraft... Tornado ADV, AV-8B, F-111, Su-24, AJS37, light attack trainers... The US doesn't really need another top tier fighter at the moment
@@jfv2312 well yes ofc but the next fighter will most likely be an F-15A which will use Aim-120s already found in the files. This will of course push top tier back to BVR engagements instead of IR Headons.
@@F-18Super there are already planes in game that could receive the AMRAAM, especifically J37D, most of the F-16s and the german Phantom. I'm sure the F-15 will come soon-ish, but also that we'll get. AIM-120s before it comes
@@jfv2312 well yes I know. I’m saying since they’re already in the game it’s essentially 100% guaranteed that when the F-15A (Or F-18A) drops this time next year, it will carry them.
I ain't even gon lie that 3rd fight management was horryfing at best yikes
@MatAWG the ideal speed for turning in an F-16 is between 300 and 350knts (555-648 km/h or 345-402 mph). in American Jets, players should use knts because that is the measurement of speed used in American built aircraft and also the speeds that public information is given in. For max performance, enter the merge at 350knts, then go vertical full burner max pull. If the initial turn is not perfect then maneuver the enemy into a 2 circle rate fight and maintain 300-350knts. you will lose about 100 knts even with afterburners in a max performance turn and 130 to 150 knts without burners. use of flaps in the f-16 should actually be automatic but War Thunder does not emulate this. Suggest not using flaps except in cases where you are able to cut your engine and speed in order to "flop" the aircraft over. short bursts of your air brakes when your speed is above optimum will get you into the groove easier.
@@toyotawitha20mm35 so due to the fly by wire system of the aircraft the pilot should actually not be able to change the flaps, they deploy automatically via the computer which is why the F-16 can pull off some impressive turns. also why its has 2 CAT (catagories) of flight CAT I and CAT III (1 is A2A and 3 is A2G Essentially)
ill answer the speed thing in your next comment
@@toyotawitha20mm35 so yes...in most cases. at the very least, you should always keep your burners full when executing the turn. you should only cut your engines and hit the airbrakes hard in order to avoid overshooting your opponent. Generally the vertical will give you the advantage because of the speed at which you can bring the nose around....if the fight continues beyond first cricle, you want to stay away from 1 circle and begin rate fighting the 2 circle because you can out rate anything in a 16.....but this all depends on the situation as well because generally youre fighting multiple people...best thing to do is play one plane over and over and over till you master it.
I was doing a duel against an F-16 ADF the other day in MiG-23MF the other day and despite all odds and technological edges, I still won with a gun kill while carrying a full missile payload of 2 R-23Ts and 4 R-60MKs😂
I just made good use of my engine thrust power and easing off the afterburner in the downward circle since zu took the fight into a vertical even when they tried to do horizontal, then made use of my flaps while needing to pull an edge on them, they only ever managed one gun solution on me and missed, so I suppose it all comes down to which pilot makes less mistakes, even when using comparatively obsolete aircraft.
@@WigSplitters I mean it could lose to a mig 23 but the f16 is more likely to win
@@WigSplitters well that’s the thing about War Thunder duels and real ones, skill is rarely the same or even similar, someone usually has the skill advantage over the other, either that or, in War Thunder, are just both noobs who don’t know how to fly cause they bought their way to top tier with a premium fighter or attacker.
The BL10 is a bit lighter. You can see this in the titlecard climb rates.
This update will change how people play top tier, and hopefully it will make Gaijin change the match maker for 11.0+ BR matches, hoping for big maps only.
Yes, I've noticed that missile spam isn't a strong tactic and positioning like flanking or starting at altitude produces better results
welp, you got what you wished for.
@@generalpatton8468 hope he doesn't regret it, big maps are gonna be the new meta for a while. It's kinda sad lower brs get some maps as well though.
Isn't the f-16MLU supposed to have the best radar?
I think that the no head on thing in 1v1 dogfights is nice but I think I saw you not shoot a couple of times even tough the enemy's crosshair was nowhere near you thus it would've just been a somewhat tough shot but not a headon as the enemy could not shoot back.
Edit: also it is extremely rare to get a head on outside of the first 2 merges so it would be better just to not shoot in the first 2 merges.
Edit2: The part where he killed you on a head on is something that would not happen had they not damaged you and it was an unfair headon as you were damaged so I think it was not bad for your opponent to do that.
ADF all the way !!!!
The problem with 2 circle fighters like f16 in war thunder is the steering we have in game. Using mouse aim and keyboard the elevator is just 100% or nothing. It's great for 1 circle planes like mig29 but for f16 we need to stay in this speed sweet spot to have the best degrees/sec unfortunatelly. Irl f16 is also not so good in 1 circle but it's known for it's superior sustained turn rate (in proper ias). The same would be with mirage f1c. It was pretty decent ratefighter we cannot use in wt. Also phantoms at higher airspeed were fairy decent, just turn radius was as big as whole canada
How do you know optimal turn rate? And how much speed to keep? Gut feeling?
Eu sabia que tu era BR esse inglês aí não engana não kkk
The F16C will be a problem to MiG 29.
How about the mlu
Mat youre a Polynom enjoyer like i am, we are not many
: let’s not use flaps and rip them every round almost, more cut throttle air brake, a launch at .61km…
try compare some of them to f-16MLU. it has larger horizontal stabilizer so it may turn better
ah no im wrong ADF and MLU have same size stabilizer, only block 10 have smaller one
What horizontal stabilizer?
Hey mat i mis playing with you at the prime days of bofss sad it fell apart
the f16 block10 should get br11.7 like the ja37d, the viggen have everything better and get 0.3 br lower than f16? what a joke. and f4j have 4 AIM7F and it can stay in 11.3? if f16 block 10 get br12.0, f4j should get lest 13.0
O cara é BR e não coloca nem uma legenda pra nos :/
I just tked you like 2 sec ago on my friends account slrry
adf
5th
MIG 29 BEST
Oh hell no, it’s complete trash
MiG-29 is best comrade 🇷🇺💪 best FM in game, best missiles/BvR and best speed and best radar.
@@avtomat6471 trolling
No,hell no,it has better bvr,but in a dogfight the f16 slams
Stupid F16 enjoyer doesn’t know about R27ER with 5.8M speed
Bro, stop pulling MAX AOA every turn, you're bleeding so much speed in every turn. You're killing yourself by turning into a brick. Energy is more important than being on target.
@@WigSplitters stop, you don't know what you're talking about.
@@mikmak3mk748clearly you don’t
@@jonathanjuwainat5535 who?
@@mikmak3mk748 you
@@jonathanjuwainat5535 asked