Making Match Grade Arrow with MFJJ
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2023
- Breakdown of how I build my arrows, and yes I made the 30 green inserts.
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MFJJ with a simple step by step fletching video. This will serve people for years to come.
The vanes are actually called Mini Sabres. But they are the second on the Sabre Series so close enough. Thanks MFJJ! Great build. I love the RIP TKOs.
By far one of the best archery channels. I can only watch so many bow reviews, but this kind of content will be useful for ever.
Recently found your channel, loving all the content! Deffinately my new favorite go to. Greatly appreciate all the detail you go into in your videos!
What an awesome video! I love the detailed “how to” style videos. It’s always cool to see how professionals go through their process.
Great information. As a new archer this was great to see how custom arrows go together and the thought behind them.
So I am putting broadheads on my hunting arrows while watching and the whole weighing everything out to get things close together. GENIUS!!
Love what you’re doin!! Keep up the great work my brother!!
Love the video! Always excellent content and advice!
Great video. Everything you share is great information. Thank you
You make things look easy MFJJ! Keep it up
Great information,
Really like the way you break everything down and why you do it that way.
Watching you weigh each component. Brings back memories of customers at my friends bow shop that he would let them sit at the counter and weigh each component for there custom arrows. Thanks for posting another great learning video. I have been out of the game so long. I’m relearning everything. Your videos really help.
Everything I’ve learned about how to work on my bow I got from your videos!! I love the content!
Love the videos. You have help me so much in my second bow journey.
Love the content! I began asking a question while watching the video and you answered it!
Thank you for these type of videos
Love me some saber vanes. I tested 4 different types this year and they absolutely grouped the best!!!
Nothing new but I still appreciate your effort and I watched the whole thing ! Love listening to guys who actually know what they are doing ! Always listening for the nuggets that you drop ! By the way ,love your online store and all the stuff you carry . Been grabbing a few things from you recently and Im loving the fast shipping ! Doesn't seem like anything gets to my area of Wyoming very fast but I've been very happy with your service and fast shipping ! Keep making the videos and I'll keep smashing the like button !
I’ve done this with the last two batches of arrows i have built and I’ve been very happy.
Hands down my favorite lighted nocks so far.
Would like to see a video of how selecting arrow spine and cutting a arrow affects spine and how getting the right spine (and how to do that)flex can affect broardhead tuning at longer range and what to look for in that process.
Your channel is putting out great information thanks for taking the time to do it.
One of my favorite videos yet, very informational thank you!
LOVE THIS SORT OF VIDEO. IM CHASING A MESS OF A BROADHEAD TUNING PROBLEM AND THIS HELPS ME KNOW WHAT TO DO BETTER THIS WINTER WHEN I BUILD MY OWN SHIT
Thanks for the great tips, you just made my life easier!!!
Back in 1987-8ish I would "float" arrows in the tub to find the "heavy" side, then weigh fletching and put heavier ones on that side, heavier knocks on heaviest arrows, heaviest insert etc, back then shooting a Jennings forked lightening at 70lb for a whopping 218fps. Thanks for this video. It brought back awesome memories, stay safe, and God bless
Great video and thanks for showing and sharing how you fix something when it does not come out perfectly :)
Kind of an odd place for this comment, but I wanted to say thank you to your workers and you. I ordered a package this morning on my way to PT and it’s already been shipped. With the content and your shipping you’ve made setting up my own shop easy, and fast
I ordered 10 days ago and still hasnt shipped, says label created and shipped but hasnt been picked up and tried calling twice with just voicemail picking up during reg hours. Im thinking it has to be because something sold out i ordered between my order and the time they picked the order. And im trying to cram before Sept 15th to get stuff done so its a bummer
Great video,that is the arrow I shoot.great build.
Your the man, thanks for that awesome information
Thanks for sharing your method - it is a smart way of matching light and heavy components in order to stay within a desired standard deviation. I especially like to see a person conserving their resources, despite having an ample supply. You did so by saving the extra glue for other projects. It's not being cheap - it's being thrifty. Good luck on the antelope.
Always great content
I also square my inserts after install and use a marked insert tool so my broadheads are clocked to my fletches and spine. I had one set of insert weights that was really inconsistent so i just put a grinding wheel in my dremel and tapped the back end a few times to tighten them up. I've also used aluminum tape on the lighted nock batteries or inside the insert to match a set, but I'm CDO like that. Since I'm building all the time, I have a set of bins marked 0-9. I drop the component in the bin ending in that tenth grain as i weigh. I bumped the table 1 too many times.😂
Video could not have been more perfectly timed. I need to build some new bullets this weekend.
Keep up the awesome content brother!
20:43 "Don't ever heat the arrow"
20:54 Proceeds to stick carbon right over heat gun.
Old habits are hard to break. Haha. Thanks for the video, Josh. I do the same process, but I don't use hot melt because I like to index my inserts/outserts with the broadhead selected for that arrow. I shoot fixed blades, so I index my broadheads to be perpendicular to the arrow rest. I also like to spin them before I commit to the arrow. Using JB Weld gives me the time to spin the insert around and index the broadhead before the epoxy sets.
Great video of the right way to build arrows. Building arrows should be done with the same precision as loading ammo for a long range rifle. 👍
Thanks for this video! One thing some of us need is a video on how to determine the length for the arrows (i.e. should we test length with our bow, does it need to already be tuned, do we need the broadhead on, how "close" should we cut it to get the weight down/foc up, etc).
Love it! I do this method as well. However, I weigh out the vanes also, which I have found that some vanes do have slight variation in weight, while others are very consistent. I can usually get down to 0.3 grains across all arrows built with my field points, but haven't tried with broadheads yet.
solid video love your info!!!!
Thanks for tips and tricks
Wanting to build my own arrows. Just bought the rip xv arrows fletched love and going to build my own now. Great video on how to do it
Love your videos
Jj, you should try some uv glue for the "bump" at the end of the fetchings. It's awesome for nervous shakey fellers like myself, because it won't set until you hit it with uv light via a flashlight or sticking it in the sun for 5-10 seconds. So if you mess it up, you can wipe it off until it's perfect
Great job buddy
Followed the weight match steps with a set of arrows I had SVA build me. Heaviest to lightest is only .3 gr!!! Speaks to the precision of podiums titanium products, inserts, sleaves and points!!!
Like weighing engine components. I've learned something. Thanks.
Great video. I even like the trouble shooting when something is wrong. Honestly I wanna see that process too.
I've done this & have had a few dozen arrows that r less than a grain of each other. That's 12 arrows where u have all the arrows between 510 to 510& 1/2 grains. But u have to make sure both ends r square 1st with a tool so they spin perfectly. Also shooting some arrows that i got for my recurve. They came with screw in points but the nocks weren't large groove. I found some replacement florescent nocks that were for Goldtip arrows & they work great. 350 grain arrows which are the lightest I've ever shot & they have all had points within 1/10 of a grain of each other. The arrows people can get today for the money are better than they've ever been. Competition does make things better. 🎉
On the EZ fletch if you find there’s glue keeping the things from opening smoothly, set it in a glass of acetone and it will make them good as new.
Great video. Before I was building my own arrows, I would use a washer made of shim material. Each might weigh .3-.5 grains. They come in handy when one or two arrow don’t fall in the range of the others.
Awesome video. I just did a dozen Gold Tip Hunter XT 340's. I did the same thing. Just weighed the arrows, inserts, and tips. For my application, that is more than enough. Longest shot will probably be around 27 yards. So, no crazy 100 yard shots for me. Not yet anyway.
Archery is a game of details. The devil is in the details. So I appreciate the close attention paid to them. I seriously doubt, however, anyone here shoots well enough that 1 grain will matter. But I will also say this. Confidence matters. A lot. If this promotes confidence, do it.
Great video
Josh I'm building my arrows now while having my morning coffee haha. I leave in the morning for elk camp then heading down to Montana to chase more elk!!
Must have to much money congratulations
great Video , thanks
Thanks MFJJ!
Great video. What broadhead do you anticipate shooting on those arrows? Fixed blade? Mechanical?
I love building arrows, i dont match component weights though, to much work for something i cant shot better than anyways lol. Ill weight all the components to make sure they are what they say they are, but .1 or .2 ect im not worried about.
I did a dozen rip tko elites with your titanium inserts and easton match grade feildpoints and max hunter vanes. They came out to 434grain and every single one is +/- .5, my lightest is 343.7 and heaviest is 434.6 id say thats pretty damn good for not weifht matching but this is what you should get with quality products, this was also my first arrow build as well. Thank for all the information MFJJ.
Next i need to get a bow working station, i want a press and vice, i want to learn how to work on my own equipment, after taking my bow to a very well "respected" bow shop to get string put on and then paper tune when ready and when they called me to let me know it was ready, i asked if they had time to paper tune me after i get iff or ill come in on a weekend day, and they told me THEY ALREADY PAPER TUNED IT. how, how do you paper tune someone else bow, the dude is 6'2" with a 31" draw or something crazy, im 5'5" with a 26.5" no i know thats not the main issue but you dont hold my bow like me, sorry started to rant there lol my bad.
Get some working a vice and press and more working on own bow material. 😊
Thank you Josh great informational video. What broadheads will you be shooting for Antelope and Elk God's Blessings on all your adventures this year
You said you didn’t use to recommend hot melt but now you do what makes hot melt better
Love how you make good info entertaining!! What degree helical are you getting with that Arizona jig? I have the right helical minimax and it seems like such a strong helical, is there such a thing as to much? Which arizona jig would you suggest for like a 2-3 degree helical?
I feel like this should be the standard for arrow building everytime
You know what’s crazy is that you could enter all those numbers into AI and have it even it out and do all the math for you I’ve done some really crazy stuff on there already that I couldn’t figure out
Its called combinatorial optimization. No need for AI, it's just math, and this is a pretty easy problem
Flight changes a bit doing this due to differences in foc, always end up with high and low fliers, even when all arrows weighed 490.5 grains
great info and in your opinion, what grain weight variance will you start seeing a difference?
I've been weighing about 300-400 AAE Max Stealth vanes. They weigh between 8.1-9.4 grains; peak of the bell curve at 9.1 gr for white, 9.2 gr for sunset gold, and 9.3 gr for yellow. I'm about to try the TAC Driver 2.75 to see how consistent they are.
First 40 Tac Driver 2.75in in: They weigh between 5.9 and 6.5gr; Tolerances seem tighter so far.
The whole idea of what match grade arrows are, yes,this is meaning that match grade arrows is matching weight, it's like put the whole idea as precision weighted and you'll have a super tight FOB, Front of Balance, that only goes to say, the rest of this process is up to have your bow ,cams n limbs Balanced and cams timed and center shot sitting as close as possible, but can the shooter, shoot a straight line
The wife just ordered an arrow saw for me for my birthday. Expecting it any day now
Love your content I'll probably stop by when I visit the in laws!
Thanks for sharing…I don’t even notice a 5 grain difference in my arrow flight 🥹
Nice vid, questions for sure. Why the hit glue, weights - do you think having a target weight, using the specific components, and pucking and matching would work better?
I didn’t weight vanes, but I grain matched everything else on this last build. Came out to +/- .5g. I was super pleased with it.
What are your thoughts on the halo .166 nocks?
Great stuff. I just did something like this the other day. My question is…How many grains variance would you believe is acceptable for an eastern whitetail tree stand hunter that may only shoot out to 30-40 yards the longest?
Thanks
Great tips! Would like to see a video comparing left helical to right helical, pros cons does it matter?
Will your titanium collars work with the new 30 grain half-outs?
So I am new to this whole arrow building process, Would you shorten your arrow length when using half out inserts?
Just watched the video on making a matched set of arrows, you do a lot of weighting and trying to match components to get each arrow to weight close to the same. well here is a trick. Build your arrows and put the insert in, then weight each arrow and record the weight. After weighting the arrows weight the points you are going to use combine the lightest arrow with the heavest point, add the arrow weight and point weight together and figure wat is the lightest arrow. Subtract the lightest arrow weight from each total arrow weight. now remove each point and keep track which point goes on which arrow. The weight subtracted weight is how much weight needs to be removed from each arrow point. this will make all arrows weight exactly the same. To remove weight from the arrow point, I use a die, but you could just a nut, screw it on to the threads of the point then grind a little of meteral off of the threads. When the die or nut is removed the threads will streighten out. keep removing a little meteral at a time until the point weight what it need to to make every arrow exact.
I Used your method to build the same exact arrows.
Same nocks..
Whatever you do,
I do.
Titanium Outserts of course.
These are my longrange arrows / deer.
I want speed.
16% f.o.c
Think has more to do the changes in arrow deflecting on the shot. Shortening the lighter arrows with the heavier head component made them group better, didn’t have enough arrows for some longer arrows with the lightest upfront component to make them group
What are your thoughts on indexing broadheads to fletchings? I.e. 3 blade broadheads to 3 fletches 🤔
What poundage are you gonna be shooting those with?
And how is the spine with that weight?
Asking because i wanna build some around that weight
do recommend using arrow wraps? why or why not?
Make a video regarding size of pin fibres. Off season practice and hunting applications. Best overall sizes, pros and cons, 1, 3, 5 pins
Nice video. I was wondering if instead of the lacquer to add 1/2 to 1 gr of weight you could us bow string wax on thread of field point to add a small amount of weight?
Prob would have all been within half a grain had you weighed fletchings. My experience vane to vane with blazers is they can vary about 1/2 grain. Yours may be bette than that but when you’re chasing 0.5 across 12 arrows it may matter. I use a very similar process but weigh my vanes and with midgrade arrows like Hunter XTs can get with 1.0 across a dozen. Nice video.
Question! Using Easton axis X nocks, nock mouth is too tight on my string and takes effort to release, the throat fits well though. Which nocks should I switch to?
Josh, If you are in between cam mod sizes on a Mathew’s bow, should you use the shorter or longer mod? Should I use the D or E on my TRX 38. I’m a 30.625 inch drawlength. I’m finding the shorter E mod doesn’t want to hold against the wall. It keeps pulling forward about a 1/2. With the D mod I feel the my cables are completely unwound to get my limbs more spread out to shorten the length. Any suggestions. Thanks.
Are the Halo nocks for .166 arrows stable? I’ve been using nocturnals and noticing some wobble with my VAP TKOs. I like the VAPs a lot but may switch to RIPs to get a more stable lighted nock.
Quick question if you had a shorter draw length would you cut your arrows at both ends ? If it wasn’t a high end shaft ?
Ha e you ever checked the "spine line" of the Victory arrows. From what I have found, 2/3rds of them are good, the rest are 180 degrees off or just off at a random angle. I have tested this will multiple jigs. That's why I don't trust their "line" at all.
Good video. Have you announced the winners of the 10 bows yet?
great duild video, thanks.. give me some good ideas
Just wait until the supplier begins the production run of the inserts, the tolerances always widen up after the qual run
Do you think these can bend from normal target use? Most of my dozen of RIPVX elites in 350 spine do not spin straight at the tip end.
When are we going to find out who won the 10 bows you were giving away all set up? The suspense is killing me!
👍👍👍
What hot glue do you use/where do you get it from? And how does it hold up? Any inserts pull out in targets?
Thanks very useful.
What do you think about shooting without a peep site?
We don't see any hunts from MFJJ and Tim! Why is that? I love the bow builds and the infinite knowledge from MFJJ but I want to see hunts. It's the off season and I love your content.
Cool video! Did you ever give them bows away? Hadn’t heard anything about them since the first video telling us to sign up
Right, he's playing with our emotions. 😊😂🎉
New to archery hunting. You say these are to light. What would you suggest for a good weight to hunt whitetail 30 to 40 yards out?