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- In Asia, friction over Taiwan, the South China Sea and other flashpoints have the region on edge.
Last year, conservative US lawmakers proposed an Indo-Pacific version of NATO to help Asian democracies defend themselves against growing military threats from China and North Korea.
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It's ridiculous to consider AUKUS as an Asian NATO-like alliance. South Korea, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines, and Australia should be the starting core of this alliance for a better thought experiment. Yes, the Philippines is seriously lagging in force projection and military assets compared to others in the list but its strategic location is a must for this collective agreement.
Indonesia is not ally. They are pro-china
Why you talking in behalf of Indonesian? Since when Indonesia and Australia an ally? Last time I check Indonesia just finish high speed rail with help of China...
Military isn't cheap, especially for a developing country. Every peso we spend on the military would be a loss that could have been better spent on social services. However, this do leave us pretty weak and can easily be pushed over by the likes of China.
We are increasing our military spending, but other politicians say that the power difference between us and China's too great and we can never hope to win in a conflict even if we put 100% of our economy to the military. Some presidents like Duterte wants to be closer to China, while PBBM wants an alliance with the US and its partners
Also, the Philippines is mostly pro-US. It would be a tough sell for the people to align to China, considering Duterte's openness to China left a bad taste in our mouths.
I think all those countries are lagging except for South Korea Japan has upped its military Budget and is expanding but as for Australia we are way behind unfortunately and need to step up and recruit we do not have enough people in our military mostly pen pushers
@@NateAussie Indonesia have higher chance to be at war with Australia than China.. Last time I check we call them barbaric and send our warship near their territory..
We have that NATO-like alliance before, It called Southeast Asia Treaty Organization or SEATO. It was formed to counter communism in the region, but it didn't last.
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Ultimately, that was because China wasn't much of a threat in the 1960's. Things are different 60 years later.
And its also the past. The presence is different, so you should not count it out with different conditions if you compare both timelines with each other.
That was very very long time ago and now is 2024. No Asian countries will join except Japan, South Korea and Philippines. That's basically it. What a joke !
@@stuartdollar9912Now, Pacific Treaty Organization will emerge with South East Asian, South Korea, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and The USA.
The PRC seems to be going out of its way to make too many enemies at once, rather than picking them all off one by one.
One enemies with its dogs.
East Asia and South East Asia countries are not suitable for defense pacts like NATO because they are not located on the same continent.
In addition, Asian countries don't want to invade each other like European. Asians are much smarter.
Looks like they went to the german school of world domination
@@nutzeeer While the Germans destroyed many countries, the Chinese built many by building smelters, roads, railways, etc.
@nutzeeer who the colonizers
from Europe who genocide other
People and take their land ? 😂
I noticed something about modern wars and even wars way way before, it's not only about who have the stronger military but its more into who have enough trained men and supplies to help them lasts longer in the war... wars usually never ends overnight or in a week or in a month but lasts for many many months and even years...
to quote john pershing, "infantry wins battles, logistics wins wars"
Don’t look at Ukraine as a modern war. Both the Russian and Ukrainian military lack modern equipment/integration. Look at desert storm.
A truly modern war will be very fast paced, limited in scope, and less reliant on infantry. Rockets, cruise missiles, air craft, etc. it’s all about destroying strategic assets like ships and aircraft.
You're starting to get it. Industry, manpower and resources are the most important factors of a long war. WW2 was won through a sheer manpower, resources and industry advantage.
Did you know Japan started off with a superior navy to USA in WW2? What happened was that the sheer industrial scale of the 1940s US pumping out new ships and planes, quickly overwhelmed the Japs.
USA has a lot of fancy tech in its military, but they're all really, really expensive, and the US economy has deindustrialised. China is an industrial colossus, the world's factory. If heavens forbid a war ever breaks out, I think the outcome won't be that simple.
Nukes and modern technology has completely changed the battlefield more soldiers is no longer the winning factor
And everyone forget about cyber wars.
It already is.
There are over 2 dozens defence pacts between the Asean area nz for a start has them
Without India there will be no indo pacific strategy to counter China anywhere in Asia and only india has some weightage militarily
& Demonratic Establishment is busy with its hostilities with Bharat and its surrounding through its Regime Change Specialist Victoria Nuland.
Would say US is real the holding peace at Lear for the next 4/5 decades. The truth is a international alliance. US-Canada-EU-UK-India-Japan-South Korea-Australia-Vietname-Indonesia-Taiwan-Philippines…So on and so fourth. Eventually also adding South American nations who are still too resilient to invest in security.
@@ricardomadleno564
US is on the state of decline after squandering many futile wars in invading small countries like Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. It has ignored local infrastructure, homeless, jobless, education, healthcare, high inflation and zombies apocalypse in the past 30 years. Whereas China continues to focus on peace, infrastructure, trades and investments.
US is no longer to face China while still engaging many wars to please the corrupted US military complexes which mark up exuberant prices for weaponry. They also form cronies to exclude competitors to participate in US military budget.
@@TheKkpop1 you are purposely being ignorant in favor of your wishes. The US is by far the most technological, economical, social and military power house in the world. Currently you are writing on one of their apps that makes billions every year. With an IOS or android system also created by Apple and Google maps which are American apps. Your computers are eitheir Mac OS or windows which is also American. Amazon, Twitter, TH-cam, Google, Apple, Facebook, WhatsApp, Instagram, Tesla, Space X all the way to Netflix, HBO, Disney plus, Prime Video, Spotify the list is endless I could go on and on and on…America has by far the most wealthiest and popular companies that bring the most revenue. USA GDP is currently at 26.9 trillion USD, currently growing at a fast pace while China has entered recession recently and more important it has entered in a major stall in GDP growth and is currently stuck at 17.7 trillion and decreasing and is expected to stay stuck for the next years coming. We’ll see USA reach 30 trillion USD and EU(currently at 18.4 even without the UK) reach 20 trillion in the next few years while China will be stuck at 17.7 trillion. You can check what I’m stating at TH-cam search for GDP nominal live.
@@TheKkpop1 the US will contribute the largest to a pacific conflict, followed by Japan, Australia and SK. I fail to see what ‘assistance’ India could offer to the countries aside from selling weapons and maybe some general assistance. Regardless of whether India joins or not, the pacific ocean is really not the right place for the Indian military.
China is the player creating tensions, not other nations in the indo-pacific. Creating island bases in the south of China sea after Xi stated they were not to be militarily bases, claiming almost all of the south of China sea as Chinese territory, including areas within the Philippines exclusive economic zone and disputed territory of other nations, its insistence on the option of military action against Taiwan if the Taiwanese people choose to not be subject to the CCP control and so much more. China must be resisted and not with half measures but with resolute insistence that it does not get to railroad its way to expansionism and hegemony over other nations.
If you wanna play yankee lapdog, you might get a beating LOL
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@@zt3435 I guess you took the short buss to school?
@@jonsen2k You couldn't understand GOP and DEP's intentions?
what happened to SEATO? (Southeast Asia Treaty Org)
We have that one before which is patterned to NATO
"nato style" doesn't mean Nato. The appeal of the coherence of the NATO alliance is the selling point, but the Indo Pacific alliance would have to be relevant to China and the South China Sea, and be a separate alliance that aspires to the coherence of purpose and relations between member countries that NATO has.
All of that is being shut down by China 🇨🇳. Africa and South America is behind China 🇨🇳
agreed, it would likely take a comprehensive treaty between all of the nations other than the PRC, with a formal invitation to beijing either being declined or having their reps walk out of the meeting, to be confirmed amongst all of the other nations before they decide to work together on the south china sea issue AND the ability for those nations to enforce said internationally-recognised treaty
@@josiptito9412 you mention a treaty and a meeting presumably within the UN that China is offered an invitation to and declines but the agreement is ratified by other nations. I can play off of what you wrote to imagine good preliminary work could be done within the walls of the UN to facilitate a good workable alliance. The actual goal of the countries cooperating together in the South China Sea is already happening, and it's relatively easy to provide the diplomatic support to assist and optimize the cooperation already taking place.
@@integralmark exactly, but the international workability and acceptance, for lack of a better term, would at least attempt to include the PRC in order to justify the creation of said eventual alliance
@@josiptito9412 The reason for the alliance is to defend against a provocative China.
Xi’s shortsightedness is finding a way to unite enemies like SK and Japan. Brilliant.
Not a fan of Xi, but what did he do in this?
@@ideally6849CCP requires all foreign companies to disclose their hardware & software secrets to the CCP. That’s why all foreign companies have left China including SK & Japan!
@@ideally6849 The vast military spending and the increasingly extreme nationalist rhetoric
@@ideally6849 Also building artificial islands in other countries EEZ's and preventing their fishermen from fishing on their own territory.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp are you sure you are not talking about the neocons?
INDIA, JAPAN, PHILIPINES & AUSTRALIA should join & form in as a Military alliance. To defend themselves & to protect from CHINA.
hme kb se jarurat padi ,we have enough power and should not join any group .
India does not need to form groups.If China comes to the field of war with India, then China will have to suffer huge losses.
And China can never even dream of war with Japan nd India 😂
@@AbhishekSingh-zv2tnYea, India might not need help but others do.
I can see why you oppose to such a measure as some would consider it to be a waste of national budget
@@bonbonbonbonsif it’s not our fight we shouldn’t fight.
It doesn't matter how many times the Chinese regime repeats the *lies,*
or how *angry* it pretends to be,
- Taiwan 🇹🇼 is still an independent country.
Your government says Taiwan is a part of China.
Not by international law, even the US recognizes that.
There is only a country named Republic of China. No country on earth has the name of Taiwan.
No matter how much you repeat your BS, fact is more than 90% of UN member states (including your paymaster US) don't recognize Taiwan as independent.
Can Xinnie Swim like Olympic Swimmer Mao ?
yes bring it on
The west only wants to bring another Urkraine into Southeast Asia.
American Weapon Industrial Complex be like: 🤑🤑🤑🤑
I think it's good go point out that the stepping stones to this defense pact is already been in the works, for example the Philippines will soon reach an agreement with Japan to have access in each other's bases just like the agreement it has with the US. Now it only a matter of time to see when will this agreement reach other countries as well.
AAA is looking next ukarine in asia.
philippine wants to be a front dog.
actually Southern Asian Countries already has a circle called ASEAN and it only needs a little upgrades to turn into a true alliance..
ASEAN is economy and partnership between countries in SEA. It equivalent to to European Union. It needs to be reminder that EU is not NATO, as Turkey and Norway is part of NATO but not EU.
ASEAN == EU
EU =/= NATO
ASEAN =/= NATO
It already true alliance. Economy alliance.
ASEAN is not a military alliance and the idea of a military alliance in Southeast Asia is not something Southeast Asian nations will agree to.
It's an economic bloc..
US and EU interference is NOT needed.
It will never be an alliance since ASEAN was founded not because of commonality of its members, but to ensure the stability of the region at the height of Cold War back then since the region was in danger of being torn apart by the two major spheres and every SEA country was (is) so different from one another.
Very deep analysis. Good watch 👍
DW sounds more like the Voice of America everyday.
They have sold Germany to America for their survival while millions are sleeping hungry, poor and homeless in Germany with no access to toilets and clean water
Are you expecting the Tass from Russian or the CCTV, China?
german blow is funded by cia
@@ericluk68What’s wrong with Tass or CCTV? You think you are the only one in the world with a clear head?
@@chiefskeletonh8613Unfortunately, china doesn't have a clear head.🙃
He caught himself say "war" and quickly course corrected.
The only way China 🇨🇳 can avoid an unwinable war with the US and allies is:
- It must obey UNCLOS ruling in 2016 and stop interfering with Taiwan internal affairs.
不要避免，有能力就打过来吧！
Taiwan is part of China. BTW Taiwan hasn’t even declared independence yet. Even they can’t say they an an independent nation.
US hasn't signed UNCLOS.
Taiwan is part of China as per UNGA resolution 2758. America and allies should just respect that and there would be peace.
又不是第一次招多国联侵，楼上这人很活跃，在很多平台都留言@@user-lingfeier888
*The international law* is very clear on the South China Sea:
- parts of it belong to some ASEAN countries,
- the rest of it is the international water,
- no part of it belongs to China🇨🇳 or Taiwan🇹🇼.
100% Agree. The Communist China is a land grabber and a country that could not be trusted.
International law as per America????
No - China own part of it.... about 200km from the borders, unless it comes to another 200km border. But the 12 dash line is silly...the nations of the region should sit down as adults and sort it out....
There is only one Law in the world - one with bigger revolver allways is right... Other laws for fools
@@CAMILOllllllllllllll It's called the Indian Ocean then.
Actually SEATO had already been established in 1954, but then it failed and been formally dissolved in 1977
Yups and we Indonesian don't wish to join 'SEATO' or similar organisations... China is Indonesia's largest trading partner... The Philippines has been a US colony for a long time... Let them be...
@@ariapinandita9240 so, Indonesia is China's pet?
@@ariapinandita9240 yeah, as indonesian we dont want war. we were so weak in ww2, indonesians suffered most casualty in ASEAN because of europeans and japanese. also not competent country with internal struggles, submarine failing etc. China is our friend.
Alliance is not for war but in contrast it install peace ang stability to stop aggression from other country. If Indonesian want to give up their territory to China then give it to them don't assert your claim over a part of South China sea. Don't do fishing there instead just stay on the beach and relax. Simple.
@@ariapinandita9240"US colony for so long" ya stuck from pre-ww2 arent ya? that's just like telling that China is still Taiwan in red disguise.
Reminds me of the failed SEATO (Southeast Asia Treaty Organization) formed in the 1950s.
First there's a strategic point area, then there's a dormant binding energy either a potential energy or when awaken an energy in motion, then there's movement of each country to feed it's scopes and to aim for greenier pastures when potential advantage realized, then each region country become pro- active of binding at each other to create a physical structure from a bond in paper only to a bond of the better we regionally, then like a machine of motor wheel with connecting gear the better bigger motor wheel initiates the action potential and the smaller motor wheel connected to such whirl in synchrony piling up the greens, and each of them in a region began growing up light bulbs brighter and brighter and welcoming friends as inner core buddies of friends for benefit for only friends who can help them the most and not cause them headaches, then with their bulbs shed it's light realizing they have to eat whilst the iron is hot and store for the rainy days knowing when everything in that region undergo transformation as the global event change their initial bonds could change with the way they look at each other with a smile when there's competition start to brew on who is the fairest of them all in that region, and the story goes on, .....
Whaaat? "motor wheel connected to such whirl in synchrony piling up the greens," Huh???
I don't have a clue what you're trying to say in relation to alliances against the CCP's aggressive policies, the south China sea, their absurd 'Nine Dash claim, let alone Taiwan.
It would be in the interest of everyone in the region to cooperate against the Chinese aggression. Chinese claims in the South China sea are ridiculously big and the promise to invade Taiwan should make everyone start thinking about their security.
Its really not in the interest of China to start a war but with economic domestic problems President Xi needs to direct attention to some other problem outside China and a conflict with any neighbouring country is one way to stay in power.
China brought great growth n wealth to the region....US brought pain and suffering to many small nations ...why should we fight against China....just look who is the largest trading partner for Asia Pacific
Yes that is perfectly make sense to any dictator to divert the attention of there population in order to stay in power,, like what Putin did.. and that's very unfortunate to our world..
are you sure? What if it was the Anglo-Saxon powers losing their place in the world and lashing out by trying to pick a fight with China and coercing its allies to implement its containment agenda?
@@HC-sb6iv They don't. They are being provoked, just as Germany was pre-world wars, and just as Russia was in 2022.
@@HC-sb6iv False equivalence. German people actually wanted to reunify east and west Germany. Taiwanese don't want unification with China. Vast majority of Taiwanese want status quo, which is de facto independence.
And what makes you think China doesn't want war? What do you think them spending billions of dollars in growing their nuclear stockpile, building more carriers and aircraft are just for show? Xi has made it very clear that he sees the reunification with Taiwan, by force if necessary, will be his legacy.
She said “Capital of Taiwan” ❤
@tsaichu Every province or state has a "capital", didnt you know?
capital of taiwan is beijing
Capital of Taiwan is Beijing
Yup, Taipei is the provincial capital of the Chinese province of Taiwan in the PRC.
@@yerri5567 Yep, but they would have mentioned it if they really thought it was a province. They didn't. At the end of the day, nobody really does, chinese market is just too juicy to pass up, so other countries just pretend to agree with Beijing or are overtly ambiguous about it.
If you have organizations that are designed to combat certain countries, but the organization is SCARED to upset that country and it lets that country do what it wants…….then what’s the point of the organization?
There used to be one it was called SEATO. It was considered defunct so the members decided to abandon the idea. Breaking it up does not seem to have been such a good idea after all.
I doubt china is equal to american military might...
that's true, but the US military is stretched thin over the whole planet while China doesn't want a global empire and is focused on its own neighborhood
They are not.
Not at all. They have numbers (population), but they're years behind in military technology.
they grow 6 times faster in millitary capabilities a year then the US. china in 2030 can match the US but not easily dominate like how US dominated Iraq 2003@@Gaeilgeoir
Regionally, they are.
The correspondent was right when he said it is entirely up to China how quickly QUAD changes into a collective defense agreement. All QUAD members have been working on interoperability and training exercises for several years now. When China’s aggression gets beyond a point they will close ranks with the US.
It is the American who wants to block China after all...
And become like Ukraine? Not likely.
Can you elaborate how china is being aggressive defending their scs and Taiwan.
@@LeeSuKwang-ol5oy clearly your living in a dream world tell me that if hawaii got its own military with russian weaponry and independent also very rich without the usa
What is QUAD ?
India ?
Australia ?
Japan ?
One China >> NA +EU + Japan + Korea + ANZ !
Get real kid.
Stop living in your make believe world.
Told ya!
Wasn’t there once a mutual defense alliance similar to NATO that collapsed because New Zealand’s ban on nuclear weapons?
I think the South-East Asian Treaty Organisation had deeper problems than that.
That'd be the ANZUS (Australia, New Zealand, US) treaty, which is still in existence, but New Zealand effectively ousted itself from it by not allowing nuclear weapons in its territory. Australia invoked the treaty after 9-11, so definitely not collapsed.
@@bugsygoo That is not a binding security alliance though.
@@johnnotrealname8168 It's as binding as Nato.
@@bugsygoo It is not.
They will if they don't act irrational like claiming the whole sea, imagine all other countries even neutral and their friend have territorial beef with them, and they still claim that all of those countries are somewhat crazy.
No, it is not, like Bill Gates has way more money than me, and I cannot claim that I own part of his fortune just because I happen to live close to the bank he put his money in, this is ridiculous
It seems obvious to me that democracies in the Asia-Indo-Pacific need a NATO equivalent. Given China's behavior and relationship with North Korea, what else are these countries supposed to do?
what about u.s assistance in the current genocide in gaza? whos holding them accountable? You want an anti nato movement around the world to go with that?
Asian countries prefer being neutral. A NATO-style Asian alliance will NEVER work when its countries prefer to respect China's sovereignty when dealing with its own issues. Remember when Hong Kong was burning? Japan, India South Korea and the whole of Southeast Asia kept silent or said that it's an "internal issue" while the West was very vocal in their support of Hong Kong and supported all condemnations at the UN.
Asian countries may despise each other but they don't judge each other. The West needs to understand the Asian mentality before engaging with it. This is something Singapore's leaders and diplomats have been saying for decades like Lee Kuan Yew and Kishore Mahbubani but it's 2024 and the West still hasn't learned and I don't think it will until another "RCEP moment" happens.
There are many democratic countries in the Asia-Pacific, but except for the three lackeys of the United States, none of them are interested in your suggestions. They want to maintain friendly relations with China. Didn't you find that China only bullies the lackeys of the United States and has a good attitude towards other countries?
We already had it through SEATO, but didn't work.
When was the last time America fought a first world army like China😂
Just in! United Nation add a new country in its list! CONGRATS TO THE NEW REPUBLIC OF TAIWAN!
I think APTO is much suited , Asia Pacific Treaty Organization
In Europe NATO so far has given a 100% security. No NATO country has been attacked or has attacked Russia. Neutral countries like Switzerland can live peacefully, and choose their own path. It's aimed at deterring Russia. And as such has been a success.
This peace an stability that NATO ensures has been good for the Russian people too. It's just sad Ukraine wasn't allowed in NATO by the US and others 10 years ago. There would not be war then. That much is sure.
yes they are safe, only NATO bombed other countries.
I can only hope this is true. All of our Indo-Pacific allies should be brought into NATO or a similar equivalent.
The good think about authoritarian and totalitarian leaders is they only listen to themselves, and not experts. Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake as Napoleon would say.
also the PRC's military might only rivals the US' in theory; they are untested in the battlefield since the end of the korean war
They invaded India in 1962 and Vietnam in 1977 I think.
It's pretty much a fair accompli and China can look at itself as the cause. Think of the nine dash line, threats to Taiwan, all sorts of regional bullying. Countries in Se Asia and Japan, South Korea, it's natural they would feel anxious
Its completely China's fault its all about there behaviour.
@user-py6bo1jz2m Its completely Chinas fault that their neighbouring countries suddenly claimed their territory (1970s) 30 years after China made their claims (1940s)?
Its completely Chinas fault that PH deliberately crashed their ship onto Chinas sovereign territory and refused to leave?
Its completely Chinas fault that PH keeps venturing within 12nm from their territory which every country as the right to have under international law?
Its completely Chinas fault for defending their territorial integrity when being trespassed?
Yeh I believe you...
Sick 💡 Idea
We need that kind of alliance, i hope they would make it happen.
There is a genuine concern in the West about the strength of Asian nations. For instance, Japan's historical experience serves as a cautionary tale, as it faced repercussions when it became too powerful. The prevailing sentiment is that China, being a much larger and formidable power, may pose an even greater challenge than Japan did.
For honest truths, pls read the insightful, informative, multi-page comment by 'Mister Lianghui' at, "The Coming War on China" [Military Power Documentary/Real Stories], on TH-cam.
Nope, it’s about a tyrannical dictator, nothing else.
The reality is that the US did not care about what was going on in Asia until Pearl Harbour was attacked. The West is fearful of losing its dominance with the rise of Asian nations. The idea of an Asian Century is not something they want, especially not one where Asian countries see eye to eye (and we got a glimpse of that during COVID-19 with distribution of vaccines and more recently with the undying neutrality most of Asia felt in regards to the Ukraine War).
This is why there is a desire to create camps in Asia that are pro-West rather than pro-Chinese. It's much harder though because the impact China has on other parts of Asia is much greater these days. The most recent example being the Maldives, China happens to be the dominant power in the region and so most countries see China in their line of vision than anybody else. China to eastern and southern Asia is what Russia is to Eastern Europe.
Japan has a completely different government now one where the prime minister doesn’t get assassinated for being too anti war.
To bring the power of the emperor back you’d need a world changing event. It’s possible but very unlikely.
It doesn't help after china literally tries to expand and claims others lands or islands😂 so west gets chance to play the counties whose land china has stolen or is trying to steal.
East Pacific Treaty Organization ( EPATO) has to be Initiated among Japan, South Korea, Australia, Japan and The Philippines
Agreed
That is Western Pacific lol
Indo Pacific Treaty Organization
The Philippines!? You'd have to be out of your mind to make a formal alliance with the Philippines.
Japan you mentioned twice
Keep mentioning indo pasific but no prespective of SEA..
I think it is high time that the old SEATO resurface once more. ASEAN is more on economic cooperation. SEATO is more on interpolitical defense treaty among members of the ASEAN to counter threats over contested territorial waters. Honorary members such as the US, UK, and Australia and NZ can join if they so wish. If India wish to join as an honorary member, then the better. Having such a defensive treaty to address concerns posed by China and even piracy around member nations can greatly deter highly aggressive countries such as China.
Nobody dares to have a war with today's China,just have a look at the industry capacity of each country.
The industry won't last with the payload dropping on it
@@davidzimmerman4159 NATO (America) should really help Ukraine to win against Russia first 😂
Russia is no threat anymore they have a gdp the size of Nigeria and exhausted their military, I mean come on they begging north Korea for it's trash. Next was Iran was supposed to tie up America even more so China then could make its move when all reality China would struggle taking the island even if America and others in the region were not involved. Get over it China is a paper dragon trying to deter attention from its internal problems like it's crashing economy
@@davidzimmerman4159 Chinese military factory was built for a 5 times capacity. They only produce at 20% capacity at peace time.
I doubt that a SEATO 2.0 will be feasible at the moment.
Why alliances, an incapable of solving the conflict or fear of raising power.
The CCP's high handed nine-dash line arrogance and confrontational behaviours towards Asian neighbours are a magic regional defence alliance maker. It was always only a question of time before such alliances formalised under those conditions but it's no one else's business but the allies within that agreement.
Peace and stability is to respect the rules of law in UNCLOS and respect the all nations that's following rules of law in all nations
Is US following the rule of law on UNCLOS? Nicaragua comes to mind.
@eduardoalegre6415 They didnt violate any rule in UNCLOS. They claim SOVEREIGNTY over the islands. Sovereignty is not covered by any rule or law in UNCLOS. If you insist they did, then state the law that they supposedly violated.
They water Cannon the Philippines ship and rammed the ship no freedom of navigation in South China sea and pointing a lasers in Philippines ship 🚢🚢🚢🚢
@@eduardoalegre6415 State the law. There is no law in UNCLOS that prohibits that.
Moreover, it PH that violated UNCLOS by navigating dangerously in front of a Chinese ships path. If you put yourself in a moving ships path and refuse to move, then thats your fault, not Chinas.
@@davidwong5197tell the US and we will tell also china😅😅😅
Bordering of such alliance with China will definitely lead to another Russia-Ukraine like conflict. I mean China lika Russia so dramatic and voulnarable to threats.
Asia Ukraine is in making by Anglo-Saxons.
Waddayaknow. And I thought William the Conqueror vanquished the Anglo-Saxons in 1066.
yea sure bud maybe u forgot to take ur medicine
@@Highskill3r They're trying to militarise the Indo-Pacific region, something that nobody wants.
@@user-jt3dw6vv4x
are u talking about china?
@@Highskill3r The US
I wouldn't mind a nato like in our region
It's called APTO: Asia Pacific Treaty Organization
It should be called APTO or Asia Pacific Treaty Organization.
We the Philippines does not want any trouble that will end to war; we want prosperity; peace and stability in the region. Our actions towards West Philippine Sea is in accordance to international law and UNCLOS. We only want our sovereign rights to our EEZ and nothing more nothing less.
@simplenglaog33020 Then dont claim islands in the SCS as your own. China made their first sovereign claims in the 1940s, whereas PH made their first 3 decades later in the 1970s.
And you do have rights to your EEZ. Just not within 12nm of any islands as thats regarded as territorial waters of a country as per UNCLOS
@@yerri5567you need to get your timeline STRAIGHT; the Scarborough Shoal and Spratly Islands are part of the Philippines from the year 1700. Aren't you aware of the Velarde map by the famous cartographer Pedro Murillo Velarde? This map which was created 1700 century shows Scarborough Shoal (Panacot Island during) and Spraty Islands (Los Bajos De Paragua) as PART of the PHILIPPINES. So your 1940 claims are null and void by the 1700 map of the Philippine; yes? And speaking of 12nm how far is china again from the island they claim as theirs? thousand nm?
@@yerri5567 even china's last dynasty the Qing Dynasty doesn't have a map or proof that shows Scarborough shoal and Spratly island are part of their territory. So what claims do you have besides from self proclaim nine-dash-sheit?
@@simplenglaog33020 "you need to get your timeline STRAIGHT; the Scarborough Shoal and Spratly Islands are part of the Philippines from the year 1700"
We are talking about MODERN countries here, not ancient history. If we want to talk about ancient history, then China made their claims much earlier. But under international law, countries cant make territorial claims based on historical rights. Thats why ancient history has been ruled out.
"Aren't you aware of the Velarde map by the famous cartographer Pedro Murillo Velarde? This map which was created 1700 century shows Scarborough Shoal (Panacot Island during) and Spraty Islands (Los Bajos De Paragua) as PART of the PHILIPPINES"
Haha I always here that from Filipinos. Guess what? Borneo was also on the map. Is Borneo also part of PH? Maps are maps. Theyre there to incorporate everything within the region, regardless of politics. Just because its included in there, doesnt mean its part of the PH. Same goes for every other map that includes territory of neighbouring countries.
"So your 1940 claims are null and void by the 1700 map of the Philippine; yes?
Wrong. China has documented claims prior to 1700. But all that doesnt matter, because the law does not support historical claims from ALL parties, including PH.
What does matter are treaties. When the Spanish handed over sovereignty to the US, it did NOT specify any transfer of ANY islands in the SCS. And when the US handed sovereignty to PH, it also did NOT specify any transfer of ANY islands in the SCS. Whats transferred to PH is documented, its set in stone. PH does NOT have sovereignty over ANYTHING in the SCS, whether its a rock, reef or island.
"And speaking of 12nm how far is china again from the island they claim as theirs? thousand nm?"
Since China claims sovereignty over the islands, 0nm from the island, as the islands itself is part of China.
Whether it happens in our backyard or not. We will be affected severely because of global trade. Almost every country are trading with each other. It's a loss loss situation whether you win or lose the war.
As a Filipino; none of this will work without our Indonesian brothers. We hope they join us like minded nations, to protect the ASEAN sea.
Yeah, indeed, you do like your uncle Sam very much!
We should remember that ASEAN was founded back in the Cold War to prevent any of the SEA country to be pulled into one of the two major spheres (US and USSR) since that would destabilize the region since we know that every SEA country leaned into one side. This is still today as back then. Today, Laos, Cambodia, and Myanmar lean into China while Thailand, Vietnam, and Philippines lean into the US. If Indonesia declares that it will join any defensive pact/alliance in the near future, then it will not only defeat the purpose of ASEAN but it will also start the destabilization of the SEA region and the breakdown of ASEAN.
@@Diquydiq nah. Just safety and security
We ASEAN are very disappointed with corrupted Marcos being the proxy for Joe. None of ASEAN members want western countries returning to create war, geopolitical tension, destroy and Colonise ASEAN again.
@@raymondnolasco7453
Pinoy should be proud of their corrupted Marcos family being president. He is still facing US court charges for failing to appear on the hearing corrupted Marcos family stashed money (61 billions USD) in the US.
You should stay clear to request sugar daddy to release frozen stashed money to be returned to the Philippines people but not Marcos family.
North korea:spends decades making a rocket to travel across the sea
Also North Korea: missile gets shot down as soon as it hits peak altitude
It's so ironical ...NATO is pretty much a failure in Europe ..and 🇪🇺 unlikely such scenario will ever even get off the starting blocks!
Oh look! The consequences of bullying my own neighbors! :D
It’s time for Asian version of NATO!!
QUAD
Then let Asian people decide it. Americans and European folks need not dictate to Asians what they need to do.
No its not needed .. on time even Nato won’t come to help
哪个国家想成为乌克兰？ 🤣
@@Farzi-eg6vg we Asians already decided though, and we're tired of our Fishermens being rammed by huge Chinese ships, pointing laser guns at them and constantly bullying them firing water cannons into small fishing boats of fishermens. No one in Southeast Asia can stop this aggression unless someone steps up, if not then there are no so called freedom of navigation across the whole Southeast Asian sea, and yep that's is what China claiming, the whole sea of Southeast Asia.
Decouple first then make a NATO with the Asia pacific.
Seems that an Indo-Pacific Treaty Organisation (IPTO) is in the cards.
NATO and POTO (Pacific ocean), maybe even a IOTO (Indian ocean). So many alliances in the future.
or maybe add them together for a POIOTO alliance😄
I mean, when you have reason to believe you may be in conflict with some of the largest nations in the world, you need friends, lots of friends.
@@ballenboyWar is Near , Get Ready, You are on which side?
@@ankitchaturvedi8802 Recently joined NATO, so better dust off my military education like the majority of the men of my country.
@@ballenboy Since NATO vs China Likely to Occur, being from India I am on your Side then 😁⚔️
China literally had water in its missiles instead of fuel. Paper dragon at best.
if you believe that you believe in American NATO "game changers" in Ukraine LMFAO
Exactly, US has nothing to worry about . No need to form NATO for China. Just let me crash by themselves
Salty china bots 😂😂😂😂
@@taylor_drift1 salty gringo lovers 😂
Instead of water they should put vodka in their missile 😂and say nihao ma.
STAY TUNED!
If a new alliance in this area were to be formed, the key/founding members (in order of military strength) would have to be USA, India, Korea, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. These countries already do combined military operations and have done so for years. Then others in the area could apply for membership (Philippines, Thailand, Vietnam, etc.). However it would still take years to be anywhere near a NATO example, if at all.
Can anyone tell, USA can supply any weapons to South Korea but China and Russia can not sell any weapons to North Korea.
Russia needs to buy weapons from North Korea now .
North Korea has no money to pay Russia or China for weapons.
Everyone can do what ever they like but it has consequences. If China and Russia sell weapons to North Korea they get sanctioned however atm Russia buys weapons from North Korea. China and Russia could sanction the US as well if they supply South Korea.
That is because of UN agreements that Russia and China made as part of the UN security council; if Russia and China want to break those agreements, then they should leave the UN.
If China broke the agreement, EUROPE and United States sanction follows.
We do need a Asia NATO. China is a big threat to the region as the soviet union dod to europe. Peace needs to be preserve.
It's impossible
You have pushed us around a lot during the 19th century, we are no longer weak. You cannot push us around in the 21st century.
I can foresee the slowly forming of (IPTO) IndoPacific Treaty Organazation.
Smaller entities teaming up against a larger bully? Sounds fair.
@@StopEmptyBoasting How about letting the Taiwanese people decide for themselves if they want to be part of China or not.
@@StopEmptyBoasting Neville Chamberlain is that you? I thought you were long gone.
China fears only 2 countries
USA & japan
Both r weak right now...
Central Pacific defense treaty (CPDT) may be a good idea.
As I've said the past year or so, it should start with Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines. The seeds were already planted for a possible JKP alliance; not only militarily, but economically as well. This JKP alliance should be a body for it to have teeth and be respected. Maybe in the not-so-distant future, it can become a Confederacy.
We just have to water, nurture, and protect the seeds.
1. It is an Asia-Pacific membership only.
2. It will stay neutral in the China vs West issue. (Neutrality doesn't mean not doing anything. It can also mean leveraging both sides to keep them in check.)
3. Australia, New Zealand, and Russia, considered as “Western”, cannot join. (Even though some considers them part of Asia-Pacific.)
4. China and Taiwan, also cannot join.
5. Anyone outside JKP alliance can only talk to the JKP body. No per nation agreements.
6. Nations afraid to make a strong statement for and against China/Russia and the West, won't be considered for membership. This new body should never ever turn into another ASEAN.
7. There will also be cultural exchanges, easy access to workforce to boost the economy and R&D (which in turn will help the military and the technologies of JKP), and education sharing and improvements.
8. The ultimate goal is to achieve and form a Confederacy of Japan, South Korea, and the Philippines.
Far-fetched? With the recent changes and developments, like Japan and Korea getting closer than ever, and both countries are also helping the Philippines, even donating, I wouldn't say it is far-fetched. We are at a turning point in history, we just have to do this right, despite China and the West working to keep the status quo.
If we're being squished and used by these superpowers, then we should stand together to keep them both in check. The seeds have been planted years ago. Only free Asians can protect Asia. We can keep both of them at bay, at the same time, use them to keep them in check. Together we're stronger and more capable. Let's break the status quo they are keeping us in.
^_~
Philippines and South Korea ????
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@@joekerr9036 never heard of the korean war right?
Actually Japan and The Philippines will soon sigb an agreement that will allow the two countries to have access on bases of the two nations.
Eh japan and SK so close to USA so just call them western as well
NATO should simply go global. It would be nice to have one alliance with so many members who could support each other in a hypothetical conflict against the new axis of autocracy.
World or global treaty org huh. setup regions where members can be organized. some member states like the US or UK can be members of multiple regions so the US can be apart of every region which would include Asia Pacific, North America, Atlantic, and Europe while countries like Japan and Australia would only be Asia Pacific. each region would need to aid each other militarily while the other regions could provide economic support or military support if they want to.
With NATOs problems vis-a-vis members Turkey and Hungary, expansion may not preserve peace and freedom.
NATO is for Europe. Another alliance for the Pacific nations that is focused on East Asia would be better.
zelensky : helloooooooo?
I think there should be a military alliance composed only of smaller countries without china, Russia, India, or USA. As a check and balance against larger militaries
@@jeremytinethat don't make no sense at all. Russia have china, north Korea, Iran and others. Smaller countries united will not help. No matter what your comment says about who should and shouldnt
There's already an unofficial NATO in East Asia. Turning it official is only a formality.
Dont think this is necessary.
The US has mutual defense treaties with all these nations and by and large they get along well and cooperate.
Why add complexity?
Some of the nations are what the average American considers a close ally...Australia and Japan and SK
Ukraine trusted the west and is ending like Afghanistan...
If Taiwan makes the same mistske and trusts the west Taiwan will end like Ukraine!
Ukraine is very different from Taiwan.
@@romeocivilino6667 No in 6 Pentagon war simulation, Taiwan is totally destroyed. And US/Taiwan lost in 5 of 6 tries.
@@romeocivilino6667 Not as victims of western betrails and abandonment! 😂 😂 😂
FOR AS LONG AS IT TAKES 😂 😂 😂 Americans and their subservient european vassals said...
Same promise was made to Afghanistan, Ukraine and Taiwan...
Afghanistan and Ukraine already abandoned soon it will be Taiwan's turn! 😂 😂 😂
There exist one in Asia and this is SEATO! I don’t know why it is inactive and not known.
I like that AMG -65
why can't we just all get along :(
A dying animal wailing at the dying of the light: American Empire
DONT GO EASY INTO THE NIGHT
get on? where's the profit in that?!
Religious conversion done my Church & Islam is one of the major cause of these conflicts
Autocracies gotta have enemies to conquer to stay in power.
@@TakZ000 what about Oligarchies? Of Trump, Clinton, Bush, Musk & Bezo?
A middle finger salute to China!
@@peterseth3296 like what? 😂😊
@@ivanexell-uz4mvtransfer the economic center from North Atlantic to East Asia.
East Asia and South East Asia countries are not suitable for defense pacts like NATO because they are not located on the same continent.
In addition, Asian countries don't want to invade each other like European. Asians are much smarter.
@@mastertrend4685 nice joke
@@ivanexell-uz4mv The joke produced 70% steel, 1/3 autos, 1/2 ships in the past 1 year. The industry output of the joke is same with G7 combined.
Before it was SEATO or South East Asia Treaty Organization
India has potential threat to china in future if it ally then it is good for security when in need no war miracle internet
China took "keeping enemies closer" to the next level. Its making all its neighbors enemies :D
dont bring war to SOUTH EAST ASIA.
Tell that to China
@@TomTomdog
as indonesian. i dont want my people to get massacred again like what the japanese did.
Whether it happens in your backyard or not. We are all affected by war because of global trade. Almost all countries are trading with each other. It's a loss loss situation whether you win or lose the war because trade will be severely affected.
China is currently in a bad economic state with no outside pressures...how do they think their economy would survive a decade of strict global sanctions?
They're overhauling their economy.Why else is the west on her neck..would you kill a dying horse or save trouble for a strong one.
You might also ask how is US going to survive the trade war inflicted wound. Semiconductor is in a free fall. The Chip act is not working. Huawei build their 5G chip despite US sanction. Look at Russia they are doing quite well even with US currency sanction. Who is not doing well? Europe . They are now paying the 4X price for natural gas because of US sanction of Russia.
It won’t be good, that’s for certain. but alas, nobody really has much faith in rational decisions by the Middle-Kingdom-mentality comrades of the CCP.
Remember how they had a leader (yeah, the one whose face is still on all of their money & banners) whose “great idea” was to genocide 60 million of his own people? Yeahhh..
“Saving face” is probably their raison d’etre right now at this point of their journey of fecklessness, and that could unfortunately mean any kind of wild behavior..
Don't bad mouth the Chinese economy. The truth is illegal to say just like in the final years of the USSR.
Xi Jinping could scapegoat Taiwan to distract the population from the economic downfall Like Venezuela is scapegoating Guyana
There was SEATO after WW2 South East Asian Treaty Organization
Would it be called SEATO?
SouthEast Asia Treaty Organization
I like it when western civilisations imposed in areas is called democracy
Funny considering democracy is something countries impose on themselves, and is spread across the face of the earth, not just the West.
U are more capable then me not economic but vote
Bring back SEATO! Now more than ever needed!
This is what i have been suggesting way back in 2016.
QUAD, the security diamond means historically much important than many people's thinking. If the NATO like alliance is established, probably like QUAD expanded alliance.
The main problem is money nothing else
This a sign that 1st world countries are not intimidating to contradict china's behavior in West Philippine Sea or South China Sea. International Law of the Seas must be followed in every nation in the world and respected.
Should we name it as APTO???
Just like the NATO from the west,
APTO as Asia-Pacific Treaty Organization could be a good name for a Pacific version of the NATO Alliance
That is what is happening now. With AUKUS and the US treaty allies in the Western Pacific.