What's needed to be done with Jin - increase execution demands, same as for Law (T7 execution). Also, some rediculous moves like his insane air slide attack (Zen D4 or isk what is thst button) which he can spam near wall and other spammy strings just has to be tuned down.
@@AllblasterI agree for Law, but increasing the skill floor for Jin is probably a terrible idea. He is the main character so he has to be easy for players to pick up. But Law I definitely agree needs to have his skill floor increased
7:44 You said all characters with fast launching lows go at S tier, but Lidia doesn't have any low launchers, most of her lows are either negative on hit or give you a quick follow-up move on CH. Her hellsweep and CAT 4 are exceptional since they are + on hit and knockdown opponents but it puts her into stance where she can just mix you up no tornados or launchers.
@@baconbitz7804 It's interesting, every time I take a character, I find that people write that he is very strong, then I go and choose a weak one based on reviews, train him, and again I see how they say that he is too strong.
I don't know what's the biggest offense.. Putting chars like Law, Claudio, Byron, Alisa, Shaheen and Feng below Kumer? Or not putting Jim in his own tier? Both are quite eggregious ngl. I can understand the reasoning behind most other placements, solid arguments overall.
Put Lee with Steve and Hwo, move Reina to mid tier, and put Shaheen in top tier, and I essentially agree with this list. Also, nerf every character in the game. No one needs buffs. Everyone is too strong.
Already more than half the comments are "*insert my main here* IS NOT GOOD WHY DID YOU PUT THEM SO HIGH?! Yes he has a high crushing, unreactable, CH launching low and the best heat smash in the game BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING 😡"
this is a funny tier list, within the same 20 seconds you put heihachi on B tier saying his lows are sh*t, and you put kuma as S tier. you do realise that the bear has like the worst lows in the game right haha, oww and you talk about him having a G-cleff well its really bad ;) , and you cant use this argument and putting law below kuma when law a safe confirmable high high attack for a launcher. this list is a offense to every player above blue ranks xD please stop
This is also the reason that in a later patch they made it that the bears hbs grab removes all recoverable health because his lows are that bad, you can check what harada and Murray said about the charachter design
because kuma has the electric and most people have 0 brain cells and get trapped by it, both bears are knowledge checks tho, and low to mid tier :P, kuma was placed as mid to above mid tier, but since rangchu won the tournament simpletons think he,s S tier or something xD
@@DerrekvSmmm no, is electric is arguably the best move in the game, the damage is the best in the game, the chip is the best in the game; he was placed top 10 by others already before the finals...
The main man has talked about Claudio recently. Now all his fans are mentioning him all the time and saying he is top 5. still not better than alisa and law in my opinion.
Nawww thts a skill issue sorry he’s too brain dead with d2, mid low high strings, hop kick, parries, heat, 21, ground pressure, damage, a lot of is pokes are safe. If you have atleast 60 defense the only reason you would lose is because you were outplayed
What's needed to be done with Jin - increase execution demands, same as for Law (T7 execution). Also, some rediculous moves like his insane air slide attack (Zen D4 or isk what is thst button) which he can spam near wall and other spammy strings just has to be tuned down.
I doubt we will see changes that promote skill for the lifetime of this game
@@AllblasterI agree for Law, but increasing the skill floor for Jin is probably a terrible idea. He is the main character so he has to be easy for players to pick up. But Law I definitely agree needs to have his skill floor increased
Jin's dive kick needs to be unsafe on block just like Devil Jin's, and down 2's startup could be increased by a frame or two
It would be better if he had range issues like he had in T7.
7:44 You said all characters with fast launching lows go at S tier, but Lidia doesn't have any low launchers, most of her lows are either negative on hit or give you a quick follow-up move on CH.
Her hellsweep and CAT 4 are exceptional since they are + on hit and knockdown opponents but it puts her into stance where she can just mix you up no tornados or launchers.
That is not the only criteria for an s-tier in that version
@Yorsem It ain't but by that logic Bryan should also be S tier then.
He was talking about green ranks and no one will know how to deal with lidias stances or HE or anything in green ranks
@@ruikiri Yeah I wasn't arguing against that to begin with.
i know you're a bryan main but bryan is like 10 slots higher *at least* 😭
He’s not better than most of the characters in A tier though. Why would Bryan ever be placed higher than Claudio
@@baconbitz7804 It's interesting, every time I take a character, I find that people write that he is very strong, then I go and choose a weak one based on reviews, train him, and again I see how they say that he is too strong.
@@HonorGamesStudiothat’s cause everyone is strong
Bryan is not top five
I don't know what's the biggest offense..
Putting chars like Law, Claudio, Byron, Alisa, Shaheen and Feng below Kumer?
Or not putting Jim in his own tier? Both are quite eggregious ngl.
I can understand the reasoning behind most other placements, solid arguments overall.
Bro learned the matchup
As I said I can see arguments to change the order in the mid tier working, but I really think because of heat and damage Kuma is INCREDIBLY strong!
Bryan is stronger than Kazuya... atleast
Why
@@livingashtree1942 what makes him better than Kazuya actually
Kazuya received so many buffs in patch 1.05 that he surpasses most characters.
@@HonorGamesStudio i personally think he got better pokes & tracking, launches -14 with less effort than kaz would
He said it is not really ordered and everyone in that tier is about the same
Put Lee with Steve and Hwo, move Reina to mid tier, and put Shaheen in top tier, and I essentially agree with this list. Also, nerf every character in the game. No one needs buffs. Everyone is too strong.
no one except Lidia and I'm not even joking. the only T7 low-tier character who've been nerfed even more in T8
Thank you for putting hwoarang when he's supposed to be. He could do with some small buffs 😅
@@cbimz db4 into flippity floppity should deal 80 dmg, plz murrey 🙏
can you atleast explain how lee better than Horwang?
Hwaorang main here and even I’m bewildered about that lee is so much harder for execution
Lee is a way more complete character IMO, Hwoarang has great pressure up close but he struggles in longer range.
Clive doesn't even belong in this game
Good list. Everyone needs nerfs and some more than others xD
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Raven in the same tier as Reina, Hwoarang, Paul, Jun and Azucena?? That is, to say the least, strange.
Already more than half the comments are "*insert my main here* IS NOT GOOD WHY DID YOU PUT THEM SO HIGH?! Yes he has a high crushing, unreactable, CH launching low and the best heat smash in the game BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING 😡"
Heihachi is with bryan? You must be joking...
I am dead serious bro
this is a funny tier list, within the same 20 seconds you put heihachi on B tier saying his lows are sh*t, and you put kuma as S tier. you do realise that the bear has like the worst lows in the game right haha, oww and you talk about him having a G-cleff well its really bad ;) , and you cant use this argument and putting law below kuma when law a safe confirmable high high attack for a launcher. this list is a offense to every player above blue ranks xD please stop
Why does Kuma even need lows of he can kill you by having you blocking mids?😅
@ you still have allot of recoverable health then, besides the best way to remove recoverable health is doing lows
This is also the reason that in a later patch they made it that the bears hbs grab removes all recoverable health because his lows are that bad, you can check what harada and Murray said about the charachter design
Why is panda so much lower than kuma
because kuma has the electric and most people have 0 brain cells and get trapped by it, both bears are knowledge checks tho, and low to mid tier :P, kuma was placed as mid to above mid tier, but since rangchu won the tournament simpletons think he,s S tier or something xD
Because it doesn't matter as long as Kuma has superior moves in heat.
@@DerrekvSmmm no, is electric is arguably the best move in the game, the damage is the best in the game, the chip is the best in the game; he was placed top 10 by others already before the finals...
@ Hahah man stop it you can sidestep his electric, and if you walk back the normal electric misses it has way less range
Sure give me a name that placed him top 10 😂
DJ isn't that weak. Also Claudio too low.
Agreed.
dvj is hella weak and trash
The main man has talked about Claudio recently. Now all his fans are mentioning him all the time and saying he is top 5. still not better than alisa and law in my opinion.
@@jintype2984 I did think that he was underrated even before TMM said so. He is better than Alisa if people know MU for both characters imo.
@@JupesMelody Yet he has better punishes than a lot of cast and electrics as well. His punishable moves are pretty evasive.
Wow Steve, Hworang and Reina bottom??? Damn
Yeah they should move up imo
Steve is one of the most underrated characters in the game imo
@@jazzoj5 yet another steve downplayer
@@master_rock_8 me or the Gian?
@jazzoj5 yeah he is, people don't understand how strong Steve is
If jin is top 10 , you have to be on meds. If i see that , i will call novaSeiken and put you on the targetlist xD
Real, he's less tuned.
Nawww thts a skill issue sorry he’s too brain dead with d2, mid low high strings, hop kick, parries, heat, 21, ground pressure, damage, a lot of is pokes are safe. If you have atleast 60 defense the only reason you would lose is because you were outplayed
Jin literally plays like a boss character
Jin is EASILY top 10. What are you even talking about
Jin is top 3
Lmao😂😂
exactly (y)
Putting lee in overpowered and bryan so low is funny. Arslan thinks the opposite
This is a human tier list, I am not a pro my game experience is completely different....I even stated this in the video!!!