I wish this stuff was out when i was younger , my back might still be in 1 piece , who cares how much the machine costs , when you think of how much easier it would make the job , less wear and tear on the joints .
@OGDadAverage he has a point though. I'm 49 been plastering over 30 yrs, yes it's hard on the body, but that seemed ab almighty f about to get 2 little walls on
External rendering machines I agree with , quicker and easier , a machine that sprays skim is just a no no . The time you cover and set up I would have layed a 2 bag first coat on ( and I would have scrimmed the joints) 😂 it would be useful in a massive warehouse with no windows or anything to mask but not in a new build design with exposed oak beams and wood sash Windows 🙈
It's good to try new things but I really enjoy spreading it from a hawk. I don't do commercial work so I guess you gotta think of the output seen your other videos great stuff
I'm plastering 20years or more I've worked with the sand and cement sprayer just a while ago but not to keen and spraying an skim coat fair messy if you had ceilings finished over head
you need to cover everything before you even start..and you can't let the machine run dry otherwise you could end up needing to get it serviced..plus Try using a spray system in a domestic job 👎....turst me your gonna get a bill from the client for cleaning if you don't cover everywhere your working spray systems are good on site or external jobs and that's it plus your start up costs are I'm region of £3000 don't be fooled by the hype! sorry if this comes across as negative comment or trying to bash your channel guy's.. but I feel someone needs to tell the turth!
Yes, I would agree with you Steven. They are best used for site work not domestic jobs. As for cleaning the hose etc, that is not a problem as you get a couple of small sponge balls that you run through after spraying and it cleans it through.
london-plasterer.com yes I know all about cleaning these and the bigger machines out bud I've worked on number of schools and plenty of external site jobs so im talking from experience. but at the same time if a person or persons can make that spray system work without damage to a clients home.. then fair play! but me personally I'm unwilling to take the risk as my businesses reputation rests on finish and cleanliness!
steven gordon so in other words, by the time you covered everything and had to spray over twice, you’d have done the job by hand in considerably less time.
@@tj9382 in a nutshell yes mate. Don't get me wrong tho, on external jobs these machines are a god send. But domestic jobs 100% pass for me. But if you are willing to take the risk and can make it work maximum respect 👍
A decent plasterer shouldn't need this. What a mess and all the time to set up. I can put mixes 18 - 30 Sqm myself perfectly finished in few hours. Minimum cleaning... Machine is awful
stick a l.e.d light near them walls after being painted.refina trowels from start to finnish is a no..no.drags fat everywhere and you cant get the preasure u need with a flexi trowel.flatten once wirh a flexi if need be then after that finnish with a hard marsheltown.ive seen loads of people do it that way on site and as soon as them lights are shun down them the easyfiller comes out
Whats the point in going through all that trouble to spray it all on if you are just gonna sponge it up anyway. Surely your using as much energy as you would troweling it on flat in the 1st place??
I prefer the proper way. You make love to a wall like that and it blisters. I could do the same on my own with my trusty big whisk, hawk and float, bucket and brush.
i tried the pft ritmo to do multi finish. It was not practical onsite..very messy and didnt save me time due to cleaning ect....mp75 straight onto blockwork would work better for commercial spreads as its a one coat plaster you rule off...sponge then trowell up onto brickwork but this to skim in my opinion is a waste of time. Look at the mess on the floor...you need to tape up everywhere and site agents arent keen in my experience. Machines are brilliant with specialized renders though but with a 3mm skim the tech just isnt there. But thanks for the video. best wishes
Used a pft ritmo . Doing multi finish cost me nearly 10k. Used it on a site with houses. Extremely messy with a mist of multi finish. Didn’t save me any time at all, just more cleaning. Good machine for k rend etc but spraying multi? Nah. Using a thicker one coat like mp75 would work well with it but it’s getting people to use it.
All the experts slating the guy. I agree that it's not fast enough etc but its up to the person how they work. It's the finish at the end of the day that's what counts
This machine in my opinion is only suitable for work in your own home. The amount of output that spray gives is not enough to meet strict deadlines or make any money on private jobs. You say its less labour but you need 3 lads to put 2 bags of multi on?
Time you would have done all this a plasterer would have had it all plastered, anyway how long to clean out this machine as well, sometimes I think you need to carry on like thay did years a go. A man with a hawk and trowel
What a messy way to do this and a hell of a lot more work these things should make the job easier get it on by hand leave it ten mins then take the trowel marks out it leave it another ten mins clean your tools get clean water then trowel it up and give it a polish simple.
There are (professional) plasterers who earning a living at it and have built up the muscle memory to do great work at a good speed. There are (jack of all trades) who have to maintain a decent level of finish work when doing refurb work on their own. Anything from installing a new bathroom or kitchen will require making good and finish work plastering. Sometimes it's not always possible to get a skilled plasterer in the time needed and also there is the cost of paying a decent plasterer. Then we have the (DIY person) who wishes to do their own on their own house (this is me). I have been on many courses learning the basics of every trade so that whatever is in my house was done by me. I was in the building Industry as a lead worker, did carpentry as my Dad was carpenter and kitchen installer for decades. Then we have the (New starter) who doesn't know where to start and has to sift through the thousands of How to videos on TH-cam. I think we have to start grading the level for these videos so that we don't get pros slagging them off and we don't get learners forking out for equipment that they will only need once and end up stuffing it in the garage until it ends up at a boot sale.
so wait there, you've gotta mix the multi finish up then pour it in the machine to spray on, which takes 20 minutes to do 2 bags? and look at the mess its creating. then 15 minutes to clean up after? and you have to lug all this around with you. this is to much faff on, supposed to make the job easier not harder!
This is a cap way of doing it you'll be here all day in one room I'm not a plasterer I can do it faster then that and better also you forgot scrim tape the joints.
Sorry don’t see the advantage of this method Could have laid this meterage on in the same time with hand board and trowel without the hassle of setting up the machine and with none of the spray drift on the floor
Cant see it working for me and boring as hell to use, stick with the good old fashioned way of plastering, a bucket, mixer, trowel and hawk, not forgetting of course your bucket trowel to scoop your mix on.
Haha not that quick, i find it hard to believe you can skim a full room on your own, quicker than that guy can do one wall with a machine. If you can then fair play to you Amin
@@paulk3150 No only joking. It just seems that machine seems to slow and doesn't seem to put enough plaster on the walls. I would have put 2 walls on by the time He,s put 1 on with that Machine. The machine is to much hassle. You mix it up then pour it into the machine, when it's empty you have to clean it out. Fuck that I want to be out of there by 4 o'clock. And having a wank by 5.
Waste of time & money now. They just tape & filling now ready for decorating. Older properties ain’t being over skimmed as much as decorators can just fill & line walls now.
Me and my team (3 in total) can complete 3 big rooms in 3 hours. You make so much mess 🥴man. Before starting multifinish, cover joints with joint tape first.🤦♂️
I wish this stuff was out when i was younger , my back might still be in 1 piece , who cares how much the machine costs , when you think of how much easier it would make the job , less wear and tear on the joints .
I’m 39 now Jim and back, knees and elbows aren’t feeling to clever, may invest in this as I’m on price still
Id do them walls in under 2 minutes easy with a trowel spread and flattened
@@adamcunningham2511 good for you Adam . Here is a gold medal 🏅
@OGDadAverage he has a point though. I'm 49 been plastering over 30 yrs, yes it's hard on the body, but that seemed ab almighty f about to get 2 little walls on
External rendering machines I agree with , quicker and easier , a machine that sprays skim is just a no no . The time you cover and set up I would have layed a 2 bag first coat on ( and I would have scrimmed the joints) 😂 it would be useful in a massive warehouse with no windows or anything to mask but not in a new build design with exposed oak beams and wood sash Windows 🙈
The efforts and expense people go to to avoid 2 coat skimming a wall is mind boggling
Yeah I often don't bother to scrim for that fresh cracky look the customer loves.
Good work lads 👍👍👍
No tape on the joint and I would have had that on by the time you had got the first board on? Plastering is it?
I’ve blinked and the guy had half the wall done, some people you just have to salute
It's good to try new things but I really enjoy spreading it from a hawk. I don't do commercial work so I guess you gotta think of the output seen your other videos great stuff
Is this £1700 for all the kit? Or plus compressor etc etc?
so you put the first and second coat on on one hit?
how much are we talking for one of these?
yes i use the sponge method, so one thick coat of 3/4mm is enough. The machine is about £1700 excluding VAT. Its on the Refina website
You have to think about the wear and tear on your body after 20 yr of plastering your joints soon start to feel it.
fully agree, people don't take that into the equation and the onset of arthritis
Hi mate, I just picked up one of these. Are you still using it today? Any tips? Also are you able to use it on any bagged tenders?
Renders*
I'm plastering 20years or more I've worked with the sand and cement sprayer just a while ago but not to keen and spraying an skim coat fair messy if you had ceilings finished over head
Runs of a standard transformer?
Do they rent this machine in south Texas?
That just looks harder work am quicker spreading by hand and would defo use scrim tape 😂😂
As a skimmer myself .. fcuk the machines bro
No fibre tape??
how many meters can 3 people do in a set?
for you guys 100m2???
Good!
you need to cover everything before you even start..and you can't let the machine run dry otherwise you could end up needing to get it serviced..plus Try using a spray system in a domestic job 👎....turst me your gonna get a bill from the client for cleaning if you don't cover everywhere your working
spray systems are good on site or external jobs and that's it
plus your start up costs are I'm region of £3000 don't be fooled by the hype! sorry if this comes across as negative comment or trying to bash your channel guy's.. but I feel someone needs to tell the turth!
Yes, I would agree with you Steven. They are best used for site work not domestic jobs. As for cleaning the hose etc, that is not a problem as you get a couple of small sponge balls that you run through after spraying and it cleans it through.
london-plasterer.com yes I know all about cleaning these and the bigger machines out bud I've worked on number of schools and plenty of external site jobs so im talking from experience. but at the same time if a person or persons can make that spray system work without damage to a clients home.. then fair play! but me personally I'm unwilling to take the risk as my businesses reputation rests on finish and cleanliness!
steven gordon so in other words, by the time you covered everything and had to spray over twice, you’d have done the job by hand in considerably less time.
Anton K pretty much bang on... those two walls he’s doing in the video would of been almost pulling up by now if it was hand applied 😂
@@tj9382 in a nutshell yes mate.
Don't get me wrong tho, on external jobs these machines are a god send. But domestic jobs 100% pass for me. But if you are willing to take the risk and can make it work maximum respect 👍
is this microcement?
gooood
A solution to a problem which doesn't exist .... but fair play for at least giving it a tryout.
there is definitely not scrim cloth on that joint
I agree.. nice to hear from you on my channel..
There no scrim because I'm guessing it a mock up or demonstration
Looks like more work than traditional hand plastering . There too much playing around with it
So you would rather trowel on 18sq mts of plaster by hand r u a idiot
@@planetterror649 yes I would
You obviously don't do much site work then because we all use them on site and we are constantly in front of the hand trowel lads
A decent plasterer shouldn't need this. What a mess and all the time to set up. I can put mixes 18 - 30 Sqm myself perfectly finished in few hours. Minimum cleaning... Machine is awful
Wow suspense is killing me
stick a l.e.d light near them walls after being painted.refina trowels from start to finnish is a no..no.drags fat everywhere and you cant get the preasure u need with a flexi trowel.flatten once wirh a flexi if need be then after that finnish with a hard marsheltown.ive seen loads of people do it that way on site and as soon as them lights are shun down them the easyfiller comes out
Whats the point in going through all that trouble to spray it all on if you are just gonna sponge it up anyway. Surely your using as much energy as you would troweling it on flat in the 1st place??
I prefer the proper way. You make love to a wall like that and it blisters. I could do the same on my own with my trusty big whisk, hawk and float, bucket and brush.
i tried the pft ritmo to do multi finish. It was not practical onsite..very messy and didnt save me time due to cleaning ect....mp75 straight onto blockwork would work better for commercial spreads as its a one coat plaster you rule off...sponge then trowell up onto brickwork but this to skim in my opinion is a waste of time. Look at the mess on the floor...you need to tape up everywhere and site agents arent keen in my experience. Machines are brilliant with specialized renders though but with a 3mm skim the tech just isnt there. But thanks for the video. best wishes
Used a pft ritmo . Doing multi finish cost me nearly 10k. Used it on a site with houses. Extremely messy with a mist of multi finish. Didn’t save me any time at all, just more cleaning. Good machine for k rend etc but spraying multi? Nah. Using a thicker one coat like mp75 would work well with it but it’s getting people to use it.
All the experts slating the guy. I agree that it's not fast enough etc but its up to the person how they work. It's the finish at the end of the day that's what counts
lol put me glasses on 👍
no probs 👍
How slow is that.
This machine in my opinion is only suitable for work in your own home. The amount of output that spray gives is not enough to meet strict deadlines or make any money on private jobs. You say its less labour but you need 3 lads to put 2 bags of multi on?
We have eze 24 and on max speed you you can do 6-7 m2 a min but only on big jobs two men we completed 170 m2 in two hits and finished with a 1 m spat
Hi Russ have u a video I'd love to see it working
💯👍👍
What is the name of the plaster, what do you use?
Multi finish
Time you would have done all this a plasterer would have had it all plastered, anyway how long to clean out this machine as well, sometimes I think you need to carry on like thay did years a go. A man with a hawk and trowel
One thing that was certain in life was .. you would never see a fat plasterer... with this machine , that is now not a certainty....
been plastering 35 years.im one fat fella.
This is how to skim the long way
Where's ya scrim boy!
Bollocks to it mate that’s what I say
So I don’t need to use scrim when I’m using this machine 🤔
Yeh that shit will crack lool
I always wanted to try one of those
Could have had that on by now
I would of spread that flattened it and layed it in by the time it took him to even get to the corner
Looks like a fuckin nightmere that
Knock up multi.. add dynamite .. room laid on.
Where I can buy this machine?
no scrim cloth
What's scrim cloth?? If you mean scrim tape, its there. You're not looking closely enough.
aye could if had that room skimmed and rubbed up by now far to slow for amateurs that can't use hawk and trowel
Wouldn't be able to hear me radio with that racket
Omg 1 wall 1 day
Be good for site work. And if working on own.
What a messy way to do this and a hell of a lot more work these things should make the job easier get it on by hand leave it ten mins then take the trowel marks out it leave it another ten mins clean your tools get clean water then trowel it up and give it a polish simple.
I wonder if a paint roller would work just as well....
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I would of done done 6 bags skim in this time he took in my day such a no go skim machine but then again I'm the one with arthritis not the machine 😏
use airless machine, much faster and not so messy
It's just not practical to cart that big machine around, and it would be a pain to clean after every use
2 bags in 20 min wtf thats slow definatly faster with a hawk and trowel pumps have there place spraying skim isn't one of them
It is very slow would be ok for none plasterers send a glass eye to sleep
I know this is not being use in the U.S because the clients will be flipping out ... 😂😂😂😂😂
Why?
There are (professional) plasterers who earning a living at it and have built up the muscle memory to do great work at a good speed.
There are (jack of all trades) who have to maintain a decent level of finish work when doing refurb work on their own. Anything from installing a new bathroom or kitchen will require making good and finish work plastering.
Sometimes it's not always possible to get a skilled plasterer in the time needed and also there is the cost of paying a decent plasterer.
Then we have the (DIY person) who wishes to do their own on their own house (this is me).
I have been on many courses learning the basics of every trade so that whatever is in my house was done by me. I was in the building Industry as a lead worker, did carpentry as my Dad was carpenter and kitchen installer for decades.
Then we have the (New starter) who doesn't know where to start and has to sift through the thousands of How to videos on TH-cam.
I think we have to start grading the level for these videos so that we don't get pros slagging them off and we don't get learners forking out for equipment that they will only need once and end up stuffing it in the garage until it ends up at a boot sale.
What a mess about.
Don't often get walls without sockets or pipes.by the time he's messed about with that it's quicker with a trowel.
What a nightmare that would be to cean
so wait there, you've gotta mix the multi finish up then pour it in the machine to spray on, which takes 20 minutes to do 2 bags? and look at the mess its creating. then 15 minutes to clean up after? and you have to lug all this around with you. this is to much faff on, supposed to make the job easier not harder!
Some mess haha
Not even filling out the joints
Well... what can I say...
That looks slower if anything
This is a cap way of doing it you'll be here all day in one room I'm not a plasterer I can do it faster then that and better also you forgot scrim tape the joints.
Sorry don’t see the advantage of this method Could have laid this meterage on in the same time with hand board and trowel without the hassle of setting up the machine and with none of the spray drift on the floor
3 years later the walls are done 🤦♂️
What the fuck LMAO, hope they got some pva to 're do when it's cracked 😆😆😆
I guess the fectional plasters came in next day to sort this mess out
Sorry but i can put it on quicker by hand
Cant see it working for me and boring as hell to use, stick with the good old fashioned way of plastering, a bucket, mixer, trowel and hawk, not forgetting of course your bucket trowel to scoop your mix on.
20 hrs to do this shit
Sorry but in 20 mints i can spread 3 bags by myself and have it flattend in ready to sponge up
Takes to long. By the time you've put one wall on , I would have done the room
Bollocks
@@paulk3150 I take it you are not very quick . Super spread. 😂
Haha not that quick, i find it hard to believe you can skim a full room on your own, quicker than that guy can do one wall with a machine.
If you can then fair play to you Amin
@@paulk3150 No only joking. It just seems that machine seems to slow and doesn't seem to put enough plaster on the walls. I would have put 2 walls on by the time He,s put 1 on with that Machine. The machine is to much hassle. You mix it up then pour it into the machine, when it's empty you have to clean it out. Fuck that I want to be out of there by 4 o'clock. And having a wank by 5.
Looks more work to me, sure they will improve over time but this system as it is looks here is garbage, in my opinion of course
what a wet mess
Talk about overcomplicating things ridiculous the amount of water youve added to the wall ill stick to my handoard an trowel
painfully slow
That's just plain horrible lol.
Too slow, get handboard and trowel out
Very slow
Give me a hawk and trowel any day over this stupid idea.... what a bloody mess.
This is all bullshit, stick to basics, where is the scrim tape, that gap is bound to crack without a daut.
Waste of time & money now. They just tape & filling now ready for decorating. Older properties ain’t being over skimmed as much as decorators can just fill & line walls now.
Me and my team (3 in total) can complete 3 big rooms in 3 hours. You make so much mess 🥴man. Before starting multifinish, cover joints with joint tape first.🤦♂️