The Battle of Stirling Bridge and the Other William Wallace
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- In The Battle of Stirling Bridge and the Other William Wallace Scottish history tour guide, Bruce Fummey tells of Andrew de Moray in one of the tales from Scotland's History that most folk view from the side of William Wallace. During the Scottish wars of Independence, was Andrew de Moray the real hero of the battle of Stirling Bridge.
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Scotland History Tours is here for people who want to learn about Scottish history and get ideas for Scottish history tours. I try to make videos which tell you tales from Scotland's past and give you information about key dates in Scottish history and historical places to visit in Scotland. Not all videos are tales from Scotland's history, some of them are about men from Scotland's past or women from Scotland's past. Basically the people who made Scotland. From April 2020 onward I've tried to give ideas for historic days out in Scotland. Essentially these are days out in Scotland for adults who are interested in historical places to visit in Scotland.
As one of Scotland history tour guides people ask: Help me plan a Scottish holiday, or help me plan a Scottish vacation of your from the US. So from April 2020 I've tried to give a bit of history, but some places of interest in Scotland as well.
Bruce as far as I am concerned is the most entertaining Scottish Historian on TH-cam he can hold you to his story...all true.
Bruce isn't an historian, he's just a very naughty boy😜
''a very naughty ''storyteller?
@@ScotlandHistoryTours Historians aspire to educate; Bruce has been an educator for years - and he still is.
Im just glad his name is Bruce. It could have been confusing if he wasn't named Bruce.
Love this channel, and as far as I know I don't have a lick of Scott in me, but love the rebellious history
My mother was a Wallace. In 1984 (her 50th birthday) I took her to Scotland. We went to the Wallace monument and saw his huge broad sword hanging from the ceiling. She saw it as a monument to a man who shared her surname who made Scotland it's own country. We didn't know about all of the machinations to make it a symbol of the British empire, or the fights over it's design or any other thing. She saw it as a monument to a great man named Wallace who led his country to freedom. Over 125 years after all of the problems that surrounded the monument being built, all of the "Englishness" went away, she saw the monument as a way to honor a hero of Scottish history.
It would be great to see a proper monument to Andrew de Moray, but at least thanks to the likes of Bruce's video we know him as a true Scottish hero.
Living in Moray there is pleanty mention of him, but it makes sense that Wallace and Bruce (both lowlanders) are more recognised given that most of Scotland's population is in the lowlands.
‘GET IT RIGHT UP YEH’ you don’t hear that on Lucy Worsley’s programmes! Great tale of an unrecognised patriot.
We're no here tae mess aboot
That gave me a giggle anaw 😂
@@ScotlandHistoryTours "We're no here tae mess aboot" - That should be on a t-shirt in your merch shop.
@@mitchmazerolle3168 I'd buy one!
Excellent. Imagine Scottish history being taught in Scottish schools..................It doesn't bare thinking about.
I think it's better than when I was a lad, though teaching Scottish history is probably perceived to be political in this day and age
Chiming in from New Zealand to say
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Andrew was the brains of Stirling Bridge, With all respect to William.
Sir, I thank you for your diligence in putting these films together. I have loved every one, even when it challenges what I have held dear. Soar Alba.
OMG. I've traveled to your magical land 6x and tramped all around Moray Firth and ONLY NOW did I make the Moray to Murray connection. Mortified. Don't judge me. 😳
😆😅🤣 Dunnae fess y'self Lass!!! (Don't worry), I'm a MacKenzie and it just clicked for me too!!! Moray- Murray!
And now I know how to pronounce Moray and that’s a big deal.
A fund should be set up now for a statue to Andrew de Moray. If anyone deserves one - he does.
Good point
This is how secondary children should learn of their past and history.
Thanx Bruce. Lovin' it.
Hwyl Fawr from Cymru
Sir Andrew De Moray. A brave and noble man.
Such an underrated hero. I recently found this channel and I love it so much!
Thanks man. Loads more videos on here
Same here.
Thank you Bruce it's about time Sir Andrew de Moray was told about. And you will be the first to do so knowing that he gathered the Highlanders from the North. It would be good to know exactly who the clans were who fought at Stirling
Andrew de Moray was one of the first scottish nobles who supported Wallaces battle for independence.
You're doing Scotland a great service mate, I just wish the Welsh had someone like you to share their incredible story.
Read the books of Edith Pargetter or also known as Ellis Peters. The heaven tree trilogy. The princes of Gwynned. A bloody field by Shrewsbury. Very wel written with a slight bias fir the welsh. The Cadfael chronicles
Did u guys get fkd by the english too?
Thanks for sharing! This was great and I'll definitely think of Andrew de Moray as a Scottish hero and patriot and also a major cause of success for the battle of Stirling. I love Scottish history and you sir are a great story teller and can present the facts in an engaging way. Great job!
Thank you for this. You make History come to life.
Bruce you can always tell my family and i a story when ever you please
At last someone giving what I consider the real hero of Stirling Brig the credit he deserves, great stuff again
I am always fascinated by Scottish history. I love this guy's videos. And this is from an Irish fan.
Thank you for speaking out on this.... my ancestor De Moray
an ancestor of De Moray here too .... Slainte
and an ancestor of Lord George Murray who was a battle leader through tha Jacobite wars and Culloden
You never fail to enlighten me on my ancestors history and you make it entertaining to boot. It is obvious you are a Scottish man who embraces his country and culture. God bless you, your wife and family.
Huge thanks
great videos and as a scottish history buff myself i'm still learning a thing or twa, i have oft thought Andrew De Moray was the tactical warrior and i mean no discredit to William Wallace both are my heroes
Fantastic storytelling as always Bruce 👍
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Shared again. Nice to see de Moray given the recognition he deserves. There should be more about him. Can you imagine the de Moray Trail. The late David R Ross did a couple of nooks. In the Footsteps of William Wallace and In the Footsteps of Robert Bruce. Just a wee idea for you. Great video.
Yes, I read his Robert the Bruce one
Keep these coming big man as they don't teach this to the kids anymore, I make sure my kids know the true history and thanks to your posts and your delivery I'm bringing them up to be proud scots.
Can I ask a serious question? As a Yank, and someone with somewhat of a nihilistic outlook on humanities actions & behavior as a large group, I usually have the view, similar to Doug Stanhope in his Comedy bit about patriotism (I recommend looking it up on YT if you haven't seen it)
Like Yanks will brag all patriotic to the English "We Kicked your a$$ after 1776 and sent you home crying".......When in reality "WE" didn't do anything.
WE weren't alive then, we weren't marching with Washington or crossing the Delaware with him.
Same applies with technologcal advancement. WE weren't the people who invented x, y, z just because someone from within our borders, within the past did.
So it always seemed like patriotism is a tool to use on the population to evoke emotional responses and get them to behave the way leaders want them too.
So, whether it's modern politicians or medieval nobles, I always held the view they use commoners and the poor (using rhetoric be it religion, patriotism, etc) to fight for the elite. who often did little for the commoners except exploit them as Nobles own the land, have the power, etc.
That their having people fight for the nobles self Interest and maintain the nobles wealth, land, and power.
and as the saying goes "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
After the revolutionary war, the first thing the founders did was limit who was a citizen and who could vote (i.e. who had the power)
then start taxing the common citizens with the very taxes on products they supposedly hated the British for taxing and started a war over.
Causing the commoners to revolt in different areas. Like revolts over the whiskey taxes, etc
So, it just always seemed to me that "patriotism" is just a way for the rich and powerful (be they modern politicians & billionaires or medieval Nobles or Roman Emperors & senators) to rile up the emotions of the common folk, to fight and protect the interest of those in power and with wealth.
am I wrong?
@@masstv9052 ok, I'll bite. Depends on your patriotism. Is it to the country, government,
or the ideals and principles of the declaration of independence and the constitution. An appeal to patriotism is one of many clever traps we citizens can be fooled with.
I’ve got to say this is not true as I learned this recently in school and my history teacher was a large advocate for Murray
@masstv9052 It wasn't so much the taxation that riled the colonist into rebellion for independence and self rule, it was the taxation without representation. When you are ruled and taxed by a government who does not even consider you a citizen but a subject, a government who makes decisions and laws without your input and consideration, purely for their own profit and welfare, and not yours in the slightest... it is tyranny.... NOT a government for, of, and by the people. These were, and are still, some of the same greviences put forth that drove the reestablishment of the current Scottish parliament and still drive the push for Scottish independence.
As always great wee tale of a man oft mentioned in passing for being with the media star of battle. This story puts the involvement not just in this battle, but in the greater context of overall events. Thanks for the education.
Thanks Bruce, I remember as a kid in school, in Paisley, writing about the battle of Stirling brig. When doing research at the time I couldn't find much about De Moray, or Murray as I was lead to believe.
God Bless Sir Andrew de Moray
Love your channel Bruce, keep up the good work. I love the stories told in the landscape they happened in. And the perspective of a modern Scot. Bonza work, as we say in Straya.
Huge thanks
I love your stories, man. Keep up the good work!
Cheers Gert
The other Willie (William) Wallace played for Hearts and Celtic in the '60s.
You can’t visit Urquhart Castle without coming across Andrew de Moray’s name. He is mentioned in the plaques. It’s a castle well worth visiting. If you can get there before the tour boat unloads its passengers, that would be good too. I would go again if I can get back to Scotland.
My fav Scottish history storyteller.
Ah thanks
Some of the most picturesque Scottish scenery in this video.
Another great historic video. It would be interesting to see a video on the history of the Black Douglas. Thanks.
Aye it's coming
Thanks!
Another excellent video. This dude Murray or de Mory is Scotland's forgotten hero
Exactly
Enlightening. The synthesis is amazing. Bruce keep up the good work!!!!
I love your videos. I did subscribe, hopefully that might help with getting sponsors. I really enjoy stories about people we know so little/nothing about...yet played such vital roles in history (I also watched and enjoyed your John Knox video). Thank you.
P.S. A map would be helpful for those of us who are geographically challenged.
Your narrative brings these events to life! Thank you sir!!
Thank you for telling us about Sir Andrew de Moray, of whom I had never heard. When I think about Wallace now, I will also be remembering Moray.
I always thought that Andrew de Moray and Alexander Pilche had a better story. Another amazing video.
I loved visiting Urquhart Castle. Great history
Got it now Bruce, thanks.
Wow I learn something new from you all the time. Thank you 👍
My pleasure!
My birthday…why did I not know this?🙈🙈🏴❤️
Very interesting way to tell your stories thankyou...
Another fascinating video Bruce, I love virtually coming along on your adventures 😊
That's why I do them😊
Well I'm a year late but it's still the anniversary today. Thank you for this from a Murray.
Wonderful channel! I just recently realized I have a Scottish ancestors! Loving to learn the history.
Another great video Bruce
I'm binge watching your videos. Thoroughly enjoying them. Thank you.
Awesome! Thank you!
Mate your vids are brilliant!
I never knew Scottish history could be quite so illuminating until I found this guy.
Ah brilliant Nick
After Nessie was mentioned I was waiting to see him/her. Well done.
Superb content!
Thank you, Please spread the word
Well told once again. And thanks for not mentioning Braveheart!
Thank you Sir. Great video.
Very welcome
Thanks for the history lesson on de Moray
You're welcome
But a very interesting guy down at the pub who listens, remember, and imparts that info, much to we people who watch this vlog, can learn and understand Scotland’s history. Thank you so much, Bruce🤗
Very true
Bruce, I have know of the contribution Moray played at the Battle of Sterling Bridge for years.
A true Scottish hero. Not that I would take any credit from Wallace or any Scot who fought for the independents of Scotland.
A 🏴 living in 🇮🇪
Superb!!
Thanks man. Tell everyone you know😁😎
Brilliant so well done ,,
Thanks
Great narration, 👍👍👍
Your camera angles and editing are fantastic.
Wallace and De Moray were both Scoto-Norman nobleman and, as such, lived within a well-defined class system where De Moray held higher rank than Wallace so he would have had the right to lead the vanguard at Stirling - which is probably why he was fatally wounded.
This is the most informative video on Andrew De Moray I've found by far! What an under-rated historical legend!
Thanks Michael
Excellent video! I'm also delighted you're pronouncing Moray correctly and not calling it Moe-ray (amount of folk I've to correct is unreal lol)
You should see how I murdered Cawdor😂
I’m so proud to be Scottish & a Murray
Very good, Alba Abu.
Just brilliant. I had never heard of Andrew de Moray. (And when I think of how much time I have spent around the Moray Firth and Cromarty and all these places down the years!)
Every day's a school day
Saw you in stirling shopping centre like last week haha didnt recgonise you until after I walked past though. Love your vids and presentation style
Next time!
Once again a marvelous show, for years I,'ve been arguing about this , moray being "noble would have been prob the commander, but seemingly written out of history Thank you
I love your videos by the way
Bruce I’ve seen you twice at the Kilted kangaroo in Stirling brilliant nights with big Steve Peebles, met you in Edinburgh Festival last year, this a big surprise and a fantastic series of videos, new subscriber looking through all your library 💪mare power tae yer elbow.
Aye, no as daft as I look 👀 eh?
Scotland History Tours live the videos definitely didn’t think you were as green as to were cabbage looking as ma granny would say🧐
You make me wish I payed attention during history class.
Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
You're great!
😘
Bruce is a very entertaining historian of Scotland. Also interesting.
I'm not an historian though. I'm just a guy down the pub
The nessy is a nice touch👍
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Andrew de Moray is never forgotten
Well done not enough on this man a true Scottish Hero, I actually found a monument to Andrew de Moray on waste ground off the Burn o Vat road
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Good video
Brilliant video, love the story of de Moray and the tragedy of his death. Curious what you think of the theory that thr Robin Hood legend was based on the life of William Wallace?
Brave men all!
Fascinating!
Too bad Mel Gibson chose to omit this historical fact.
While working on deck tugboating, I learned a trick where you could wrap the radio's microphone in plastic wrap and tape to cut out any wind noise that prevented the captain from hearing me over the radio. It might help when you're speaking in a windy environment.
Just wondering what exactly you say at the end of your videos? Your videos are very informative and you tell a great story btw
Aha, I lured you into my trap! 😈 Folk often ask what I say at the end, so I made a shop with mugs, T-shirts and hoodies like this. There's a translation on each product page. See what I did? You'll get it at teespring.com/stores/scotland-history-tours
Another, fine video. Thank you for taking us to places that we have only read about.
I have seen William Wallace's sword in the tower! WOW... What a pleasure, the history can be seen in the dents from fighting other swords.. WOW...
The sword in the tower (Wallace monument) is made from at least two and possibly three sword blades welded together badly - that's why it looks dented (and the hilt was replaced in the 16th century). Part of it might have belonged to Wallace ... or possibly not.
@@Nastyswimmer Thanks!
Excellent Chanel new sub
Cheers. Spread the word😘
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I will spread the word, Bruce
Alright Bruce any chance you could do a vid on wick and Caithness, my family is from there before moving to fife and I would like to know if anything big happened up that way. Cheers man.👍
Aye that puts a strain on the transport and accommodation budget right enough
I love this video! I remember being in high school we were taught about William Wallace but when Andrew De Murray was mentioned, he was just the other guy who turned up, even in Moray that's what we got taught, William Wallace "BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!" for half an hour on Wallace then Murray gets mentioned and it's like "Oh aye he turned up too" like a blumin' after thought.
Righting the wrongs Andrew
I am close friends with someone related to the Murray!!
You always speak the same phrase in Gaelic at the end of your videos. May I ask what it means? It sounds so beautiful.
Aha, that's how I lure you into my shop. There's a translation on product pages for the mugs and T-shirts at www.scotlandhistorytours.co.uk/shop
@@ScotlandHistoryTours it worked and
I wrote up my shopping list.
Thank you.
Moray. Unsung hero.
Where I live in Australia we have, I think, the only statue of William Wallace in Australia, we also have a statue of Walter Scott and of Robert Burns. I know there are many statues of Burns throughout Australia but I'm not sur about Walter Scott either. The town is Ballarat which is am old goldfield settlement where the eureka stockade took place and I know there were many Scottish Immigrants here in the gold rush days, I'm also sure there were many Scottish and Irish men in the uprising at eureka. Alba gu brath.
Interesting James Scobie
Something fairly weird came out when the Crown was digitizing documents. They found a misplaced document from Creshingham. Apparently, William Wallace's army, went past Stirling Bridge, and crossed in the river, then came back to the other side (doubling back). Like, they clearly had a plan, and Wallace/Graham knew not to put their army on the bridge. The generals told Creshingham to do the same, but he did not want to spend the money (yup, the Generals were trumped by an accountant). The generals begged him not to send the men 2x2 across the bridge, but Creshingham, was more concerned about the extra money it cost to take an extra day, and Creshingham never questioned my Wallace went north, and doubled back, while running away. And the "capitulation", was looking like a scam, to delay the English army. Hard to tell, but the result was the same, and other parts were clearly planned.
Great video, deservedly drawing attention to Andrew Moray. Andrew de Moray came from the line of Freskin of Moravia (Moray) who built Duffus Castle (an impressive ruin well worth a visit). What about doing a video on the Flemish warlords (like Freskin) who were installed by the Scottish kings during the 12th century in order to gain control of rebellious regions ? Families such as the Murray, Sutherland, Douglas are all descended from Freskin. Many Scots are aware of the Norman descended noble families in Scotland but not so many on the Flemish and Breton ones that usually get lumped in with them. Although the Normans (also Flemings and Bretons) probably spread the Scots (or middle English ?) language throughout the country at the expense of Gaelic, Welsh and Norn, I think that their organizational and military skills where what allowed Scotland to defeat Norway, then to defeat England, uniquely in the British Isles, and to regain it's independence during the middle ages. Without them I think that Scotland would have become another Principality like Wales.
But I know all that
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I am sure that you do but I am only suggesting it as an idea for a video. The Normans had a huge impact on Scotland's history.
Cheers. I'm trying to get folks to send video suggestions and requests to requests@scotlandhistorytours.co.uk There are loads of requests in comments sections for loads of different videos, but my disorganisation along with the dispersal of these ideas is such that I'd never find them again. Hence I've set up a specific email to try to collate them. Some of the videos to date have indeed been prompted by folk saying: 'What about this?'
It'll take ages to get round to them all, but if the channel proves to be a success hopefully we'll have a few years and loads of stories to cover
@@ScotlandHistoryTours I have a few more suggestions but I will hang fire with them for now. It is a good sign that you are generating enthusiasm from your viewers.
Andrew de Moray was the brains behind the victory at Stirling Bridge but like the majority of other nobility had origins outwith Scotland.
The Morays family origins are Flemish and named after the lands granted in the Laich of Moray in the North East Scotland to nobleman Freskin, in the 12th-century reign of King David I.
That's just the century before the Wars of Independence.
"Kings" and "nobility" securing their own power bases and using "their people" of their lands as pawns in their war games.
It certainly wouldn't have been the romanticism images we see today for the "people".