+マティ・ダ・キング lol nice meme m8 have you seen early work? r u fanboy? I luv comp scene but you have to admit MORE then 2 fishy clips bro or you have only watched 2 imo no hate..
Holy shit, that's almost nothing. I used to do 400 dpi by 1.35 sens, now I do 1.45 sens and that's even mechanically disadvantageous. I have a fucking ridiculously large mousepad and I physically could not do some of the shit he does with my whole arm.
subroza doesn't need to lift weights, the amount of times he moves his mouse, with that speed and with such low sens, his arm has got to be fucking huge lol
Sure, you can be consistent - but Flusha is one thing, where you have like 10 suspicious clips over a span of thousands of matches - and this kid who have 10 clips from one single LAN event.
Yeah true, but if you look through your own demos, you'd notice yourself locking onto people as well, not directly on their head in most cases. However I do find it suspicious on why he traded 400 items to a different account. Me being a high sens player I tend to have some weird movement like this too, some of it has to do when I lift my mouse, I don't go high enough and my lazer still thinks im trying to move it.
Rasmus boström You don't think Flusha has played thousands of matches since CS:GO was released four years ago? There are over 1000 days, and I don't find it unreasonable to assume that he has played more than one match a day.
Did you know that if you computed the probability of any single event that happened to you today properly it would produce a probability so low as to make the likelihood of that event occurring basically 0 and yet it did happen. He could be cheating but it could just be co-incidence. It could be 8 different causes (sound cues, call outs, game sense, luck, co-incidence etc) or it could all be the same cause (all just co-incidence). Just because there are a lot of clips doesn't mean its safe to assume something fishy is going on, it just means there is enough that it warrants further study. Critical thinking skills really seem to lack in this community, i'm actually surprised so many lack them who follow Rlewis, he constantly espouses how important critical thinking skills are.
why wouldn't the organisers just have a keylogger installed on every pc of theirs? You know, the thing that hackers use that records every thing your keyboard makes. Just do that and make it with timestamps(if it's possible).
Why would a player agree to log onto their Steam account knowing that their password is now logged into the LAN's system? It's much more simple to just lock down what applications are allowed to run and then installing an IDS that will alert you to any new applications. This way the IDS would have to be compromised in order for any kind of 'cheat' application to be run anonymously.
Pyrok4r the keylogger instanly starts as soon as you run csgo=problem fixed. Why would a player agree? He doesn't have to. No need to play in a major if you don't want to... oh wait
Sure, but why not just have a program that tells you if an illegal program is running? It's just as simple, and with LAN machines it would be almost impossible to sneak something in. The problem with ESEA etc is that the host machines can't be directly controlled by the ESEA admin, ie. they're personal computers. At a LAN you know /exactly/ which processes need to be running and lock it down so that only those processes won't throw up red flags.
Forbid all the players to use their steam accounts and make them use some special accounts without giving them access outside the event matches. Ask all the players which keyboard and mouse they prefer and give it to them minutes before the match. Give them time to configure the mouse, keyboard, crosshair and all that shit before each match. Prepare a good firewall to prevent any kind of web surfing. No cellphones, or any other technology not provided by the event organizers allowed inside the team cabinets. And there you go. No cheating possible unless you're a magician.
well, that way we would never know if the pro players cheated or not though. i think the admins should install keyloggers on the computers without telling the pros. so many would get caught.
it doesnt matter what steam account they use. cheats wont load via steam account. but i do agree they need new hardware and that admins setup hardware for players and that they cant touch the pc.
Statisticly speaking by the amount of clips (8 clips) and the period of time (in 3 games): the chance that subroza is cheating is much higher than any chance of a shox or flusha. Still Ive seen the flusha clips and they are extremely obvious. With shox idk tbh...
+iEpicVideos I think flusha was a cheater, but people can always argue that the first 3 clips are basic crosshair positioning, the last 2 are blatant though.
I dont get how Valve has not done this simple step to END ANY KIND OF CHEATING AT LAN 1)make players use new out-of-the-box equipment 2)MAKE PLAYERS USE A NEW ACCOUNT JUST FOR THE TOURNAMENT, CREATED AND CONTROLLED BY THE ADMIN. who gives a fuck about skins 3)nothing more, fucko Then you'd start to see inconsistencies in certain players between Online and LAN, and Valve could keep a closer look on them
4) release vods with comms so that calls during "fishy" plays can be verified 5) record mouse and keyboard movement from above the head perspective of players
Tournament accounts make perfect sense, but it will fuck with anyone when they are forced to play with peripherals that aren't the same as the ones they're used to.
BonghaarRoar I dont think it would be a problem for tournament organizers to buy periferals of their choice. or at least heavily inspect the ones brought by the players
I believe ESL requires the players to hand over their peripherals for inspection. Buying specifics for every team/player would be going a bit too far, and it probably wouldn't accomplish more than the inspections do.
Make one on Immortals, just check the "VACSUCKS" sub reddit. There's so many clips, the whole Immortals team has more clips in 3 maps than Get_Right in his whole career.
When it comes to the "I knocked my mouse" thing, etc. I INSTANTLY call bullshit. I've never lost control of my mouse, and a professional player never would either. I play on nearly the same sensitivity settings as Subroza (his is 400dpi X 1.5 sens, mine is 400dpi X 1.45 sens), and flicking like that is a full arm movement.
It only happens for me when I run out of mousepad space since I have a really small one but I don't adjust the pad while moving or in the middle of a gun fight so yea, has to be bull
Who says he plays with his arm? If he's a wrist player the jerky aim makes absolute perfect sens. Players in the past who've been attacked with cheating allegations (flusha and shox) are wrist players.
yea flusha is a wrist player with like 0.7@400dpi. try playing with only ur wrist on this sense dude. u can only be a wrist player with about 3@400dpi, all other people play a mix of both
Z4Teaser *1.7, not 0.7 1nsane I'm a hybrid player, and that's totally doable with just wrist with shox sensitivity, flusha's is lower than I'm comfortable playing wrist-only with. Anything less than 1.5*400dpi is basically impossible with wrist only. Also, I don't know how using your wrist explains jerky aim. If he's a wrist player, this makes even less sense imo, since it would make these large snaps harder.
He's just trying to remain unbiased and explain at least some of it. Richard no doubt thinks he's hacking, he just can't say that for integrity's sake.
+Bird lmfao Richard Lewis caring what people think about him? He doesn't no doubt think he's cheating. he's making a comment on how hypocritical and Bullshit the csgo community is. you got people like fallen pulling Bullshit clips all the time but he's popular so people brush it off. subroza comes in a new guy and no rep and people think he's cheating. he's played CS and csgo for longer than most pros of course he's going to prefire and pre aim spots. that's what pros do. looks at his fucking stats anyways the guy is possibly the worst player on clg atm.
yes that is actually totally plausible if you posit that he's one of the best players in the world and has played thousands of hours. Which is easily verified. In that case yes it's totally possible for his mind to simply know how much to move to the mouse to aim where he puts them in his mind mentally even through smoke/flash. Pro's have been flashed/smoked a million times and they do have a certain capacity to of course place themselves within the game prior to flash and kind of go ok I held down move left key for .1 seconds while flashed which places me here so if i am "here" as it were then i should aim "here" on screen to aim at this lcoation. I'm sure you'll see on streams all the time bad attempts to aimt hrough a flash it's just if your really good you can sometimes actually pull it off through really being able to internalize your position and movements without the aid of vision.
They should hide a player model in the skybox of the maps at tournaments. That way if someone just randomly locks on to the head in the sky it's obvious.
pro's would pay 100's of euro's for cheats to work... i think those cheats can avoid that and even if they lock on..they can just play it off like a mouse failure and just be more careful next time..
In my opinion, the easiest way to test for this is for the tournaments to have tracking on mice and calculating how much the mouse moves comparative to the crosshair movement. Cheats dont move your mouse for you, they move your crosshair, so somewhere the distance your physical mouse travels in relation to your crosshair can be calculated and compared to see if the movement/distance ratio makes sense. There would need to be some complex program that can do this but that's the tournament's problem.
@Richard Lewis According to his ESEA profile his in-game sensitivity is 1.55 400DPI (default windows ratio 6/11), which is fairly low. Almost as low, if not lower, than Niko. A player who we usually refer to as a low-sens player. Thus, the "jittering" of the cross-hair cannot be explained by the sensitivity, unless he has changed the value considerably and not updated his ESEA profile - which is of course possible. Then it would seem as if the clips lacks an reasonable explanation. Especially considering the sheer magnitude of clips in one event, one has to wonder indeed about what exactly is going on. Interesting video as always, keep it up Rich!
I meant jittering in a more broad sense. There is the explicit movement of the cross-hair when an aim-key is being toggled while trying to move away from the target. That's one thing. In my original comment I was using the word jittering in a more broad sense, hence why I brought up the sensitivity aspect. Rich said multiple times throughout the video that Subroza's general quick-moving, almost constantly jittering cross-hair, could be explained by a high sensitivity. That's the context of my original post, because as I found out, if the info is not out-dated, he is certainly not a high-sens player and thus that assumption cannot explain anything.
Why are you saying it like it is a fact? I have seen my best friend do something similar without cheating at all. If you take a look at your demos, I guarantee you that you will see yourself looking at people through the wall without knowing it.
+Master Konim can aprove.. my friend was watching me play mm and he told me that i look like i have wallhacks... i looked up the demo and literally, i lock on to 3 differennt people trought the wall in like 5 seconds... if you want me to link the youtube vid, tell me.
I do hope you two arent saying 'hey, his mouse moved over someone who was on the other side of the wall, he must be cheating!'. People aren't as dumb as you two, they know it wont suffice even remotely as evidence, if it can even be considered a coincidence. Seriously, people are pointing out things that are much worse than "accidently looking at someone through a wall". Come on, guys, you surely can't believe that's the reason people thinks he cheats. I'm sure you don't, which just makes your comments all the more irrelevant and pointless.
Sigurd Jack Read the comments again. Only Charlie here thought that, me and Harun said that we have seen our friends do the same when we knew that they were not cheating, as a defense for these pro's who do the same.
Richard hes not high sens at all his sens is almost as low as summits if he says otherwise hes lying. I've interviewed him before after his old premiere team won a tournament we hosted and he confirmed he was on like 1.3 400 dpi and hes a arm user which makes him more obvious hes cheating. When I was coaching some teams and we had to play his old team I watched his demos alot and to me he's 100% suspect.
Man, I love that you have started with the clips thing. I also love the contact you maintain with us the plebs. Much respect and love from me and my gf and my friends from Spain!
How is it hard to counter cheating on LAN event ? We know that player used to use workshop to get their cheats on LAN I saw discussions about hacks injected via mouse software. Aniway, why dont they do like in LoL and have the players give their mouse/keyboard to the organisation and have them given right before the match ? (I understand its not the same format, but for major tournament it could be done.) Secondly, since they have cameras filming players face, why not one to film their hands ? You could then watch any fishy clip with a hand P.O.V so you could see any pattern that could be them pressing a "magic" key.
still wouldn't prove anything. In this age of esports we need to have software that detects the cheat running on the PC, there is too much money involved now. If a player was accused of cheating without absolute proof and it ended their career because they got banned from competing they could sue the tourney organisers for loss of earnings, defamation and slander and cost them big time money. No tourney organiser would be stupid enough to ban someone without a software detection. What we need is 1) an extremely invasive anti-cheat that does full deep scans of running executables etc on every tourney PC. The PC's should have only access to steam and the LAN servers, no other internet and 2) tournaments should provide players with brand new peripherals (same make and model as which ever mouse and keyboard they use at home) at the start of each tourney, the players never get to touch the peripherals except while at the tourney PC playing matches/warming up and the rest of the time the peripherals should be kept by admins so no player can tamper with them. Do this and it won't be possible to cheat at LAN.
Some of these clips could be explained by a high sensitivity, however, he uses 400 DPI with 1.55 in game, which translates to about 65cm/360, which is not high at all.
Tournament admins should review/release key logs post match with included time stamps. From that data specifically you would be able to tell whether or not a hotkey is being pressed to activate the aimlock. As stated in Richard's video, the ability to activate an aimlock would require activation in some form that can quickly be turned on/off (press down = on, release = off).
Dan M is like George Bush after 9/11, trying to capitalize on fear. Good that he brings suspicious clips into discussion, bad that he claims people to be cheaters without definitive proof.
i still think DanM is a bit overzealous. Richard even says we need to be absolutely certain and i completely agree. we cant just assume people are cheating. we need to implement better anti cheating measures at LAN. full stop. DanM very consistently 100% accuses players of cheating. hes biased. and i personally will only take anything he says with a grain of salt. or a handful...
ablyably well valve arent doing anything about it, so someone fckn has to. Dan M is bringing attention to the cheaters in the pro scene and thats whats important right now.
the main problem about cheating in the pro scene is that valve and the tournament organizers dont really care if you cheat as long as you dont get banned by vac ( which is pretty unlikely ) because they dont want bad news about the game. Valve could put more effort into catching cheaters on lan. Afaik they didnt even check the hardware of the players at cologne 2016.
I`d just say that almost every pro player has/ had some sort of cheat which they can toggle on and off during games, there are sooo many suspicious clips from the majority of players. I just cannot believe they are all clean just like I cannot believe that every athlete at the olympics was/is clean, its basically the same thing
Richard Lewis People in the comment section are saying subroza is cheating like he already got a vac ban. Also when I saw the title I thought some Dan M stuff is going on here but overall it is very reasonable to talk about these clips like you did.
How to stop hacking in pro matches: Just get a new hard drive or SSD proloaded with Steam and CSGO, along with a specified account. On LAN, you don't need internet, so no internet for downloading. No flash drives or phones allowed. Give them the peripherals like mouse and keyboard (if there are mouse and keyboards that can work as flash drives, because they're bound to exist) Boom. No hacking.
JohnnyKarate I meant on the PCs. The PC's can still have an outgoing signal of HDMI, y'know. It can connect to lightweight computers and those can stream to twitch. The Match Caster can also be connected to the lan but he does have internet. Simple.
R. Lewis I'd hope little more professionalism when you refer to some youtubers who make videos about cheating. For example you talk about ko1n's video like it is objectively true and confirmed to be valid. It's not. If you'd write to a newspaper would you refer to a "known" cheat coders youtjbe video?
"R. Lewis I'd hope little more professionalism when you refer to some youtubers who make videos about cheating." What was "unprofessional" in regards to what I said or did? "For example you talk about ko1n's video like it is objectively true" Definitely didn't. "and confirmed to be valid." Also didn't. "If you'd write to a newspaper would you refer to a "known" cheat coders youtjbe video?" If I was referring to the video in question or the expertise of the individual in question, then yes, I would.
Thank you for replying. What I mean, is that people don't know the motifs of ko1n or who he is. By refering to him in a clip where someone does something he has showed in a video to be part of some cheat's behaviour, you legititimate him as a proper source of knowledge in this matter. And do we really know that? Well maybe you know something on this matter others don't. Obviously you don't say the excact words here, but this is the implication. You have great influence in CS scene and I appreciate all the things you do for the community and professional CS. And these kinds of things spin easily out of control, soon ko1n might be the Jesus of reddit and hltv. Well, long rant about small thing, hope someone gets my thought.
If you will notice in the Train clip where Sub is in ladder, RIGHT when his crosshair starts doing sketchy stuff, sub immediately looks to his minimap. Not BEFORE, but the SECOND his crosshair goes crazy, he looks away from his screen. Where my Psych majors at?
i mean why not have a black box in-between the pc and mouse that collects the raw input data and compares it to in game movement in real time.. im pretty sure that would be possible and could be cheap enough to make to require all semi to pro players to use it in lan and online tournaments..
Great work as always Richard, this is how one talks about this stuff as a civilized person. I've gotta say though, the scale of the cheating that could be going on is seriously unsettling. It's getting very hard to trust anyone.
Me and my friends used to run a HvH server (this was before Overwatch, I'll get back to why that's important). We arranged tournaments with ~8$ for the winners. We had 'legit' tournaments where you'd be disqualified if you hacked blatantly and all-out tournaments (pretty sure we're at least part of the reason why high performance spinbots are a thing). Btw that crosshair jittering you often see from 'pro' players is a dead giveaway. Back then the 'legit' tournaments where filled with people that thought they could get away with reaction times that made absolutely no sense on our high tick (128) server. I think all those 'pro' players/streamers with insane reactions had to tone it down when the "common" players got access to footage of tryhard cheaters on Overwatch. I remember one streamer who consistently had to declare aimlock cheaters as 'clean' on Overwatch, because he was using the same hacks and he got hit by penalties for his trouble (Valve puts in test cases, where they already know whether or not said person was cheating in that match. If you fail them, you get a penalty. If you do them correctly you get an XP boost and if you only get them partially correct, you get nothing) . He stopped doing Overwatch vids when his fans started calling him out on it. Most non-cheating players are probably stuck in elo hell, because the people with 'legit' cheats (map cheats, headset cheats, extremely low FOV aimlock, mm) are sucking each others dick in the higher ranks.
hello mr. richard. hope you are able to catch this. im very glad somebody talks about it, who really is WITH the pros, deep in the scene, on tournaments. since 2003 im into the competitive cs scene, playing myself. there are many experienced players in cs in general, which gives huge amount of knowledge. if you pair this with good technical, mechanical understanding, i can tell you there is not just this guy cheating. i really would like to share some of my experiences with some people, who are working within the scene. the fact hes no right ON him in first clip is, hes moving his mouse, while walking sideways. there are many examples, where the mouse moving speed drastically changes within a spray, or a sequence of bullets. its really hard for me to go deep into this, cause im not an english native speaker. thank you for reading :)
I'm a little late but let's say he did just knock his mouse and that wasn't intentional. Why the hell would you crouch? I'm nitpicking here but whenever you aim at someone, as in you see an enemy, usually you crouch so you get better accuracy. Why would he crouch there, where there was no one in mid (I don't know the map that well and I don't know if CT push through mid), of course, no way that he would know. Still, if he wouldn't have locked on to him and crouched, that would look completely random. I mean I know it doesn't say much but to me it looks like it was his reaction to the aim locking on to the enemy and then he crouched instinctively.
My friend actually just found out how to get hacks for LAN from a random guy on his friends list, and its all within just downloading a picture that will give you hacks, it also has something to do with the workshop, its pretty insane, he went more in depth to me about it with saying how its really easy to do at LAN even with a fresh new PC at lan you can still get it easy
Real talk, Subroza is my IRL friend..we've done a lot of lan together and trust me he's not cheating at all! After all this time playing this game, leaving his studies and everything behind I think he deserves somes respect. Don't judge him too quickly because of some game sense clips... great vid btw!
a simple camera either to his mouse or keyboard would solve everything. if subroza uses 400dpi 1.5 sens i expect to see his arm flopping left and right or his arm not moving at all
subroza's sensitivity is fairly low. taken from his stream bot with command !sens. "Subroza's Sensitivity is 1.55 in game with 400 DPI and mouse raw_input On."
3 easy steps to prevent cheating AND protect the players from accusations: 1) Keylogger 2) All equipment (mice, keyboards, headsets) + Software (e.g. steam accounts) is brand new and should be provided by the tournament organiser 3) GoPros to capture hand movements in detail
I am not saying this is true but: I think a lot can be explained away by his playstyle. Everytime he was on the observer feed, you saw his shoulder shaking like crazy (moving the mouse a lot) and always shaking his mouse in those little circles, even in spawn or when no enemy could be close. Its quite obvious that the more you move your mouse, especially in high pressure situations, the more likely it will be you lock onto somebody by chance. tl;dr Bad habit + high sens/much movement
As a self-accclaimed semi-pro/competitive player at Counter-Strike, I can tell that a lot of people don't realise that their are pre-aim and pre-fire spots that you just get used to after playing so many competitive matches of CS. Although some of the things that Subroza are doing are quite fishy, other things aren't really. A good example of someone thought to be cheating, Flusha's 'lock' on the guy palace, mirage, after the defuse it is standard pre-aim, because after the defuse in many situations someone playing palace will immediately peak to at least try and deny the gun save.
Someone invented a anticheat for lan events, where you plug the mouse/keyboard into, and the device compares what happens on the mouse/keyboard compared to what happens on the actual server. Why doesnt lan events use that yet? wouldnt that kind of remove all doubts?
I can give a reasonable explanation of the one at pop-dog right now because I do exactly that myself and you probably do too. Notice that Cutler is already dead, so he's watching the view of the other players, when I'm playing and I'm talking to someone who's already dead about info where he got shot from or saw someone run too etc I'll point my cursor at where i'm talking about and do a little circle to indicate so the player watching my view can see where I mean. I don't know enough about cheat software to be able to claim anything in that area as to what hacking does or does not look like but upon seeing this clip my first thought was "That looks like hes talking to Cutler and pointing something out" which of the available hypothesis' (cheating or talking to Cutler) seems the most likely.
outside of the first one which i see why people think so but every single one of them are very common spots. if you look at this movement in general is really awkward, look at when he messes up and throws the nade on train its a awkward movement and theres more of that even when there is no one there. i have personally spoken to grt about the situation and he said he has done his good amount of research on him.
You rarely do this but you missed something in the white van mirage play. He see a the bench player previous to taking the fight close van. He sees them when he quick jumps onto the barrel and pops a couple shots at him. Look over it in slow motion.
Richard for the clips on TH-cam, you can slow them down to half speed and quarter speed with the Speed option under the gear where you change the quality.
The fact of the matter is this. If you wanted to get away with cheating on LAN, it is possible to make that happen. This is a problem. Now, why isn't it being fixed?
i don't think he's cheating, the replays and specs arent exact since they're not 128 tick the flicks sometimes look too jerky and such. it can be seen the best with awps
On the last clip skadoodle just killed a guy from jungle and he kind of gets stuck in the doorway, leading him to be tagged even more, that certainly can be called a coincidence. His aim seems really jerky and shaky, maybe he is a really high sensitivity player(watch some of Professor_Chaos gameplay from his early days in Splyce and you will see some similar stuff fairly often)
The other problem with this situation that may lead people to believing that Subroza is not legit is how he is handling the whole situation. He is not handling the situation the way you'd think an innocent person would.
He's on the gear boys
what about Immortals from this lan? they won a lan purely using aimbots ^-^
www.reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comments/512hec/immortals_is_100_cheating/
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+マティ・ダ・キング lol nice meme m8 have you seen early work? r u fanboy? I luv comp scene but you have to admit MORE then 2 fishy clips bro or you have only watched 2 imo no hate..
but richerd, u cant cheat on lan, they say it is no possible because u cant cheat on vac securd server
Your profile picture was my face while reading this
there's still no proof that this guy is hacking (however fishy he may be), don't pretend that those people are wrong when you don't know for sure.
Robert Gordon wat
+meme lad you can use any cheat you want and get away with it if it isn't in vac
Robert Gordon Yeah but LANs use a lot more than just VAC...
he plays with 1.5 sens 400dpi, thats not even that high
exactly
Holy shit, that's almost nothing. I used to do 400 dpi by 1.35 sens, now I do 1.45 sens and that's even mechanically disadvantageous. I have a fucking ridiculously large mousepad and I physically could not do some of the shit he does with my whole arm.
subroza doesn't need to lift weights, the amount of times he moves his mouse, with that speed and with such low sens, his arm has got to be fucking huge lol
***** wiki.teamliquid.net/counterstrike/Subroza See for yourself.
***** I just see at as cheats. Are there other clips of him moving that quickly not onto players? When clearing angles, for instance?
Sure, you can be consistent - but Flusha is one thing, where you have like 10 suspicious clips over a span of thousands of matches - and this kid who have 10 clips from one single LAN event.
Yeah true, but if you look through your own demos, you'd notice yourself locking onto people as well, not directly on their head in most cases.
However I do find it suspicious on why he traded 400 items to a different account.
Me being a high sens player I tend to have some weird movement like this too, some of it has to do when I lift my mouse, I don't go high enough and my lazer still thinks im trying to move it.
"thousands of matches" what??? nice memory mate xd
Rasmus boström You don't think Flusha has played thousands of matches since CS:GO was released four years ago? There are over 1000 days, and I don't find it unreasonable to assume that he has played more than one match a day.
u aint me That just makes it more suspicious. If he has thousands of matches, and few fishy plays - then at one LAN he's got a handful.
u aint me Ah, I misunderstood you. Yeah, I agree with you.
8 clips in the span of like 3 games, i think its safe to assume something fisht is going on
Did you watch the Northern Arena Finals? 3 maps and the whole Immortals team already has more clips than Get_Right
Look up "VACSUCKS" on reddit.
Felps and Hen1 had like 8 on 1 map.
+Highlander hen1 has had like so many vac WH like moments
Did you know that if you computed the probability of any single event that happened to you today properly it would produce a probability so low as to make the likelihood of that event occurring basically 0 and yet it did happen. He could be cheating but it could just be co-incidence. It could be 8 different causes (sound cues, call outs, game sense, luck, co-incidence etc) or it could all be the same cause (all just co-incidence). Just because there are a lot of clips doesn't mean its safe to assume something fishy is going on, it just means there is enough that it warrants further study. Critical thinking skills really seem to lack in this community, i'm actually surprised so many lack them who follow Rlewis, he constantly espouses how important critical thinking skills are.
+Kai Green sound, and callouts dont make you snap to their heads 8 times, i didnt accuse them of cheating just saying its fishy
why wouldn't the organisers just have a keylogger installed on every pc of theirs? You know, the thing that hackers use that records every thing your keyboard makes. Just do that and make it with timestamps(if it's possible).
Admins too naive
Why would a player agree to log onto their Steam account knowing that their password is now logged into the LAN's system?
It's much more simple to just lock down what applications are allowed to run and then installing an IDS that will alert you to any new applications. This way the IDS would have to be compromised in order for any kind of 'cheat' application to be run anonymously.
Pyrok4r the keylogger instanly starts as soon as you run csgo=problem fixed. Why would a player agree? He doesn't have to. No need to play in a major if you don't want to... oh wait
***** how is the problem fixed with a keylogger?
Sure, but why not just have a program that tells you if an illegal program is running? It's just as simple, and with LAN machines it would be almost impossible to sneak something in.
The problem with ESEA etc is that the host machines can't be directly controlled by the ESEA admin, ie. they're personal computers. At a LAN you know /exactly/ which processes need to be running and lock it down so that only those processes won't throw up red flags.
Forbid all the players to use their steam accounts and make them use some special accounts without giving them access outside the event matches. Ask all the players which keyboard and mouse they prefer and give it to them minutes before the match. Give them time to configure the mouse, keyboard, crosshair and all that shit before each match. Prepare a good firewall to prevent any kind of web surfing. No cellphones, or any other technology not provided by the event organizers allowed inside the team cabinets. And there you go. No cheating possible unless you're a magician.
If it takes ages, so be it. What is more important? To schedule the match at 15:30 instead of 14:30 or to take measures against possible cheats?
well, that way we would never know if the pro players cheated or not though. i think the admins should install keyloggers on the computers without telling the pros. so many would get caught.
it doesnt matter what steam account they use. cheats wont load via steam account. but i do agree they need new hardware and that admins setup hardware for players and that they cant touch the pc.
I think to remember KQLY cheat was configured through the steam workshop. That's why I said they don't should have access to their personal accounts.
well thats through a map on the workshop, it wouldnt matter what account he had if he could just get the map.
he's 100% cheating, this isnt like the flusha or shox suspicion
EU's are a little more experienced ;D
imo the old flusha clips look 100% cheaty to me. not so much anymore tho
Are the clips available without interpolation off though? Everyone looks suspect as fuck with the settings these clips are recorded with.
You can adjust the speed of the lock.
proof it, bust him or shut the fuck up. Everyone was convinced flusha was cheating, he is not busted till today.
Statisticly speaking by the amount of clips (8 clips) and the period of time (in 3 games): the chance that subroza is cheating is much higher than any chance of a shox or flusha. Still Ive seen the flusha clips and they are extremely obvious. With shox idk tbh...
Love the biased view you have there, very valuable.
iEpicVideos in 1 game are you serious? which game are you refering to? 7 in one would be insane XD
+iEpicVideos I think flusha was a cheater, but people can always argue that the first 3 clips are basic crosshair positioning, the last 2 are blatant though.
+iEpicVideos watched the first one, not gonna watch the rest because the "aim lock" is so slow
oh wow so you can clearly say Flusha is still the aimlock king ;)
I dont get how Valve has not done this simple step to END ANY KIND OF CHEATING AT LAN
1)make players use new out-of-the-box equipment
2)MAKE PLAYERS USE A NEW ACCOUNT JUST FOR THE TOURNAMENT, CREATED AND CONTROLLED BY THE ADMIN. who gives a fuck about skins
3)nothing more, fucko
Then you'd start to see inconsistencies in certain players between Online and LAN, and Valve could keep a closer look on them
4) release vods with comms so that calls during "fishy" plays can be verified
5) record mouse and keyboard movement from above the head perspective of players
likwiddawn yes, forgot those
Tournament accounts make perfect sense, but it will fuck with anyone when they are forced to play with peripherals that aren't the same as the ones they're used to.
BonghaarRoar I dont think it would be a problem for tournament organizers to buy periferals of their choice.
or at least heavily inspect the ones brought by the players
I believe ESL requires the players to hand over their peripherals for inspection.
Buying specifics for every team/player would be going a bit too far, and it probably wouldn't accomplish more than the inspections do.
Make one on Immortals, just check the "VACSUCKS" sub reddit.
There's so many clips, the whole Immortals team has more clips in 3 maps than Get_Right in his whole career.
ITS BILLY MAYS
get right don't cheat tho, he has like one max
Bitter Pill Wasn't saying that Get_Right was cheating, was comparing his clips (Which there are very few) to all of immortals.
www.reddit.com/r/VACsucks/comments/512hec/immortals_is_100_cheating/ here's the thread if anyone is interested.
That immortals cheating reddit thread has a lot of pretty pathetic evidence lol.
When it comes to the "I knocked my mouse" thing, etc. I INSTANTLY call bullshit. I've never lost control of my mouse, and a professional player never would either. I play on nearly the same sensitivity settings as Subroza (his is 400dpi X 1.5 sens, mine is 400dpi X 1.45 sens), and flicking like that is a full arm movement.
It only happens for me when I run out of mousepad space since I have a really small one but I don't adjust the pad while moving or in the middle of a gun fight so yea, has to be bull
Who says he plays with his arm? If he's a wrist player the jerky aim makes absolute perfect sens. Players in the past who've been attacked with cheating allegations (flusha and shox) are wrist players.
yea flusha is a wrist player with like 0.7@400dpi. try playing with only ur wrist on this sense dude. u can only be a wrist player with about 3@400dpi, all other people play a mix of both
Z4Teaser *1.7, not 0.7
1nsane
I'm a hybrid player, and that's totally doable with just wrist with shox sensitivity, flusha's is lower than I'm comfortable playing wrist-only with. Anything less than 1.5*400dpi is basically impossible with wrist only. Also, I don't know how using your wrist explains jerky aim. If he's a wrist player, this makes even less sense imo, since it would make these large snaps harder.
Sometimes my mouse hits the side of my keyboard or runs off the mousepad. It can happen (not defending subroza, just providing info)
He is actually a low sens player. Unless he changed it, but changing your sens that drastically is just dumb.
what is his sens?
400 DPI at 1.5 ingame.
Bruh I use 400 DPI and 1.18 in game raw input and mouse accel off and I don't pick up my mouse a lot I do it very fast so it isn't noticeable
"i knocked my mouse"
on 1.5 sens, 400 dpi?
really? kek
this isnt a which. he has been known for it since he began his run in esea and cevo.
witch hunt* lol
cant speak for lan but online hes really fishy played tons of games against him in esea
"It would makes sense that you would pre aim, THROUGH A SMOKE, to ninja spot and ticket booth ,while your blinded vision is fading."
He's just trying to remain unbiased and explain at least some of it. Richard no doubt thinks he's hacking, he just can't say that for integrity's sake.
+Bird lmfao Richard Lewis caring what people think about him? He doesn't no doubt think he's cheating. he's making a comment on how hypocritical and Bullshit the csgo community is. you got people like fallen pulling Bullshit clips all the time but he's popular so people brush it off. subroza comes in a new guy and no rep and people think he's cheating. he's played CS and csgo for longer than most pros of course he's going to prefire and pre aim spots. that's what pros do. looks at his fucking stats anyways the guy is possibly the worst player on clg atm.
yes that is actually totally plausible if you posit that he's one of the best players in the world and has played thousands of hours. Which is easily verified. In that case yes it's totally possible for his mind to simply know how much to move to the mouse to aim where he puts them in his mind mentally even through smoke/flash. Pro's have been flashed/smoked a million times and they do have a certain capacity to of course place themselves within the game prior to flash and kind of go ok I held down move left key for .1 seconds while flashed which places me here so if i am "here" as it were then i should aim "here" on screen to aim at this lcoation. I'm sure you'll see on streams all the time bad attempts to aimt hrough a flash it's just if your really good you can sometimes actually pull it off through really being able to internalize your position and movements without the aid of vision.
Check DanM video. Too much evidence on him.
They should hide a player model in the skybox of the maps at tournaments. That way if someone just randomly locks on to the head in the sky it's obvious.
Shane Alexander Brilliant idea. If they were to place a random invisible model in random places... Hasta La Bista!
pro's would pay 100's of euro's for cheats to work... i think those cheats can avoid that and even if they lock on..they can just play it off like a mouse failure and just be more careful next time..
Nahh minecraft servers did this and cheat devs just quickly made anti bots its not thaat hard
No need of that
In my opinion, the easiest way to test for this is for the tournaments to have tracking on mice and calculating how much the mouse moves comparative to the crosshair movement. Cheats dont move your mouse for you, they move your crosshair, so somewhere the distance your physical mouse travels in relation to your crosshair can be calculated and compared to see if the movement/distance ratio makes sense. There would need to be some complex program that can do this but that's the tournament's problem.
interdasting.....
@Richard Lewis According to his ESEA profile his in-game sensitivity is 1.55 400DPI (default windows ratio 6/11), which is fairly low. Almost as low, if not lower, than Niko. A player who we usually refer to as a low-sens player.
Thus, the "jittering" of the cross-hair cannot be explained by the sensitivity, unless he has changed the value considerably and not updated his ESEA profile - which is of course possible. Then it would seem as if the clips lacks an reasonable explanation. Especially considering the sheer magnitude of clips in one event, one has to wonder indeed about what exactly is going on.
Interesting video as always, keep it up Rich!
the jittering of his crosshair is him holding trying to move his mouse while holding on to his aimkey
I meant jittering in a more broad sense. There is the explicit movement of the cross-hair when an aim-key is being toggled while trying to move away from the target. That's one thing.
In my original comment I was using the word jittering in a more broad sense, hence why I brought up the sensitivity aspect. Rich said multiple times throughout the video that Subroza's general quick-moving, almost constantly jittering cross-hair, could be explained by a high sensitivity.
That's the context of my original post, because as I found out, if the info is not out-dated, he is certainly not a high-sens player and thus that assumption cannot explain anything.
With Raw input that drastically change though.
As someone who has used aimbots like this before, this is absolutely cheating. The shaky movement is his mouse struggling against the aimbot
it'd be so depressing to find out shox, flusha, niko etc. were all cheating
Why are you saying it like it is a fact? I have seen my best friend do something similar without cheating at all. If you take a look at your demos, I guarantee you that you will see yourself looking at people through the wall without knowing it.
+Master Konim can aprove.. my friend was watching me play mm and he told me that i look like i have wallhacks... i looked up the demo and literally, i lock on to 3 differennt people trought the wall in like 5 seconds... if you want me to link the youtube vid, tell me.
Harun Subasic Haha no need, I believe you. I assume that such things happen often without us realizing it.
I do hope you two arent saying 'hey, his mouse moved over someone who was on the other side of the wall, he must be cheating!'. People aren't as dumb as you two, they know it wont suffice even remotely as evidence, if it can even be considered a coincidence.
Seriously, people are pointing out things that are much worse than "accidently looking at someone through a wall". Come on, guys, you surely can't believe that's the reason people thinks he cheats. I'm sure you don't, which just makes your comments all the more irrelevant and pointless.
Sigurd Jack Read the comments again. Only Charlie here thought that, me and Harun said that we have seen our friends do the same when we knew that they were not cheating, as a defense for these pro's who do the same.
Why don't we just record their keyboard and mouse on LAN events and see if the movements match up?
Cuz they are retarded
technology not there yet
Because they would find stuff they do not want to find.
Because Valve knows what we really care about is people intentionally losing pointless matches, not some dumb aim cheats. /s
bruh, they cant even get ppl to keep headsets on, you think they will do that?
Richard hes not high sens at all his sens is almost as low as summits if he says otherwise hes lying. I've interviewed him before after his old premiere team won a tournament we hosted and he confirmed he was on like 1.3 400 dpi and hes a arm user which makes him more obvious hes cheating. When I was coaching some teams and we had to play his old team I watched his demos alot and to me he's 100% suspect.
its just kinda scary imo... what if pro players are cheating? that would destroy the csgo pro scene
k
thats some time back, he might have changed his sens
do you have eyes man does his aiming seems low sens to you he is obviously a high sens player
Simple freakin solution. Keylogger put on LAN pcs. See if there is any unusual activity at the time of these potential aim locks.
Man, I love that you have started with the clips thing. I also love the contact you maintain with us the plebs. Much respect and love from me and my gf and my friends from Spain!
I'm going to be making a video about him very soon. I was also at notherb arena man and saw that little guy.
You're the hero we deserve.
Dan we need you!
Dan ily
Dan M our darkknight
He's on the gear boys!
How is it hard to counter cheating on LAN event ?
We know that player used to use workshop to get their cheats on LAN
I saw discussions about hacks injected via mouse software.
Aniway, why dont they do like in LoL and have the players give their mouse/keyboard to the organisation and have them given right before the match ? (I understand its not the same format, but for major tournament it could be done.)
Secondly, since they have cameras filming players face, why not one to film their hands ? You could then watch any fishy clip with a hand P.O.V so you could see any pattern that could be them pressing a "magic" key.
this would be easy to confirm if the players handmovements would be recorded from a top down camera.
This isn't that bad of an idea in all reality.
I mean he said he knocked his mouse. If we had a video record we would see that and wouldnt have to speculate.
Yeah but technology is not there yet
kek
still wouldn't prove anything. In this age of esports we need to have software that detects the cheat running on the PC, there is too much money involved now. If a player was accused of cheating without absolute proof and it ended their career because they got banned from competing they could sue the tourney organisers for loss of earnings, defamation and slander and cost them big time money. No tourney organiser would be stupid enough to ban someone without a software detection.
What we need is
1) an extremely invasive anti-cheat that does full deep scans of running executables etc on every tourney PC. The PC's should have only access to steam and the LAN servers, no other internet and
2) tournaments should provide players with brand new peripherals (same make and model as which ever mouse and keyboard they use at home) at the start of each tourney, the players never get to touch the peripherals except while at the tourney PC playing matches/warming up and the rest of the time the peripherals should be kept by admins so no player can tamper with them. Do this and it won't be possible to cheat at LAN.
Kai Green Yeah but at least with mouse cam you can debunk so many accidental aimlocks. Without it every single suspicious clip has little explanation
Some of these clips could be explained by a high sensitivity, however, he uses 400 DPI with 1.55 in game, which translates to about 65cm/360, which is not high at all.
Subroza is fishier than flusha
Tournament admins should review/release key logs post match with included time stamps. From that data specifically you would be able to tell whether or not a hotkey is being pressed to activate the aimlock. As stated in Richard's video, the ability to activate an aimlock would require activation in some form that can quickly be turned on/off (press down = on, release = off).
Dan M is the hero we deserve and need right now
Dan M is like George Bush after 9/11, trying to capitalize on fear. Good that he brings suspicious clips into discussion, bad that he claims people to be cheaters without definitive proof.
i still think DanM is a bit overzealous. Richard even says we need to be absolutely certain and i completely agree. we cant just assume people are cheating. we need to implement better anti cheating measures at LAN. full stop. DanM very consistently 100% accuses players of cheating. hes biased. and i personally will only take anything he says with a grain of salt. or a handful...
ablyably well valve arent doing anything about it, so someone fckn has to. Dan M is bringing attention to the cheaters in the pro scene and thats whats important right now.
Apex? :p
Dan M is a joke. If he were judge, jury, and executioner the whole CS pro scene would be gone, based on his speculation
You should do a video on Northern Arena as it was the definition of NA
the people that hosted northern arena hosted an event in eu last year nt
what event? Gaming Paradise 4Head
Terminal_Time As some one who actually went to northern arena I hope that the event last year was better
the main problem about cheating in the pro scene is that valve and the tournament organizers dont really care if you cheat as long as you dont get banned by vac ( which is pretty unlikely ) because they dont want bad news about the game. Valve could put more effort into catching cheaters on lan. Afaik they didnt even check the hardware of the players at cologne 2016.
I`d just say that almost every pro player has/ had some sort of cheat which they can toggle on and off during games, there are sooo many suspicious clips from the majority of players. I just cannot believe they are all clean just like I cannot believe that every athlete at the olympics was/is clean, its basically the same thing
Talk about Immortals next.
To call someone out if you are not 100% sure is very dangerous. You can kill someone’s career without being sure. This is no joke
Who called anyone out?
Richard Lewis People in the comment section are saying subroza is cheating like he already got a vac ban. Also when I saw the title I thought some Dan M stuff is going on here but overall it is very reasonable to talk about these clips like you did.
How to stop hacking in pro matches: Just get a new hard drive or SSD proloaded with Steam and CSGO, along with a specified account. On LAN, you don't need internet, so no internet for downloading. No flash drives or phones allowed. Give them the peripherals like mouse and keyboard (if there are mouse and keyboards that can work as flash drives, because they're bound to exist) Boom. No hacking.
no internet means people can't watch the game, and no skins for sponsorships and general pleasure
JohnnyKarate I meant on the PCs. The PC's can still have an outgoing signal of HDMI, y'know. It can connect to lightweight computers and those can stream to twitch. The Match Caster can also be connected to the lan but he does have internet. Simple.
I agree, it should be simple in a big money Lan environment like the majors at least
R. Lewis I'd hope little more professionalism when you refer to some youtubers who make videos about cheating.
For example you talk about ko1n's video like it is objectively true and confirmed to be valid. It's not.
If you'd write to a newspaper would you refer to a "known" cheat coders youtjbe video?
"R. Lewis I'd hope little more professionalism when you refer to some youtubers who make videos about cheating."
What was "unprofessional" in regards to what I said or did?
"For example you talk about ko1n's video like it is objectively true"
Definitely didn't.
"and confirmed to be valid."
Also didn't.
"If you'd write to a newspaper would you refer to a "known" cheat coders youtjbe video?"
If I was referring to the video in question or the expertise of the individual in question, then yes, I would.
Thank you for replying. What I mean, is that people don't know the motifs of ko1n or who he is. By refering to him in a clip where someone does something he has showed in a video to be part of some cheat's behaviour, you legititimate him as a proper source of knowledge in this matter. And do we really know that? Well maybe you know something on this matter others don't. Obviously you don't say the excact words here, but this is the implication.
You have great influence in CS scene and I appreciate all the things you do for the community and professional CS. And these kinds of things spin easily out of control, soon ko1n might be the Jesus of reddit and hltv. Well, long rant about small thing, hope someone gets my thought.
Just sit back, relax, take some SUCC
+AlexanderNA nha konsta is right
"Aimbot anomalies" - search it, watch it, look for it.
how does valve not have employee's buying every cheat they can find, just to use the code to improve VAC
An easy solution would be mouse cams.. sadly the technology just isn't there yet.
How isn't the technology there yet.............?
valve technology is always 20 years old bro . So we will have mousecams in 2036 .
in the third clip if you watch from his perspective he also flicks through the wall to the person playing tetris right before shroud kills him
Na Flusha
6:48 subroza was shooting towards the ct in bench... he knew that guy was there so he preaimed.
Richard Lewis talking about shady clips, nice.
If you will notice in the Train clip where Sub is in ladder, RIGHT when his crosshair starts doing sketchy stuff, sub immediately looks to his minimap. Not BEFORE, but the SECOND his crosshair goes crazy, he looks away from his screen. Where my Psych majors at?
hey guys i know there are key-loggers, is there no such thing as a mouse logger??
i mean why not have a black box in-between the pc and mouse that collects the raw input data and compares it to in game movement in real time.. im pretty sure that would be possible and could be cheap enough to make to require all semi to pro players to use it in lan and online tournaments..
good thinking
>HIGH SENSITIVITY
INFO SAYS 1.55 @ 400 dpi LOL
Great work as always Richard, this is how one talks about this stuff as a civilized person. I've gotta say though, the scale of the cheating that could be going on is seriously unsettling. It's getting very hard to trust anyone.
tournament organizers, keyloggers synced with demo and recording of the mouse please?
When there is money involved there is cheaters plain simple
if u ask me there is many cheaters ruining the pro scene
That's amazing seeing more of my clips getting some attention.
Me and my friends used to run a HvH server (this was before Overwatch, I'll get back to why that's important). We arranged tournaments with ~8$ for the winners. We had 'legit' tournaments where you'd be disqualified if you hacked blatantly and all-out tournaments (pretty sure we're at least part of the reason why high performance spinbots are a thing). Btw that crosshair jittering you often see from 'pro' players is a dead giveaway.
Back then the 'legit' tournaments where filled with people that thought they could get away with reaction times that made absolutely no sense on our high tick (128) server.
I think all those 'pro' players/streamers with insane reactions had to tone it down when the "common" players got access to footage of tryhard cheaters on Overwatch. I remember one streamer who consistently had to declare aimlock cheaters as 'clean' on Overwatch, because he was using the same hacks and he got hit by penalties for his trouble (Valve puts in test cases, where they already know whether or not said person was cheating in that match. If you fail them, you get a penalty. If you do them correctly you get an XP boost and if you only get them partially correct, you get nothing) . He stopped doing Overwatch vids when his fans started calling him out on it.
Most non-cheating players are probably stuck in elo hell, because the people with 'legit' cheats (map cheats, headset cheats, extremely low FOV aimlock, mm) are sucking each others dick in the higher ranks.
hello mr. richard. hope you are able to catch this.
im very glad somebody talks about it, who really is WITH the pros, deep in the scene, on tournaments.
since 2003 im into the competitive cs scene, playing myself. there are many experienced players in cs in general, which gives huge amount of knowledge. if you pair this with good technical, mechanical understanding, i can tell you there is not just this guy cheating. i really would like to share some of my experiences with some people, who are working within the scene.
the fact hes no right ON him in first clip is, hes moving his mouse, while walking sideways. there are many examples, where the mouse moving speed drastically changes within a spray, or a sequence of bullets. its really hard for me to go deep into this, cause im not an english native speaker.
thank you for reading :)
Is this allowed on /r/GlobalOffensive?
It has been deleted several times already so I guess not
+Gravy apparently in this PC leftist culture, saying something is fishy is now witchhunting
sick youtube pic m8 i love vivi
This is why I don't use /r/GlobalOffensive. It's such bullshit.
Subroza's sensitivity is 1.55 @400 dpi (according to his twitch) which is a relatively low sens.
Maybe its normal spots but its not normal to look to The Wall and AIM on them. Sry to say my braindead friend ;)
I'm a little late but let's say he did just knock his mouse and that wasn't intentional. Why the hell would you crouch? I'm nitpicking here but whenever you aim at someone, as in you see an enemy, usually you crouch so you get better accuracy. Why would he crouch there, where there was no one in mid (I don't know the map that well and I don't know if CT push through mid), of course, no way that he would know. Still, if he wouldn't have locked on to him and crouched, that would look completely random. I mean I know it doesn't say much but to me it looks like it was his reaction to the aim locking on to the enemy and then he crouched instinctively.
they are all cheating
My friend actually just found out how to get hacks for LAN from a random guy on his friends list, and its all within just downloading a picture that will give you hacks, it also has something to do with the workshop, its pretty insane, he went more in depth to me about it with saying how its really easy to do at LAN even with a fresh new PC at lan you can still get it easy
Real talk, Subroza is my IRL friend..we've done a lot of lan together and trust me he's not cheating at all! After all this time playing this game, leaving his studies and everything behind I think he deserves somes respect. Don't judge him too quickly because of some game sense clips... great vid btw!
nice try, subroza
Haha oh okay, now that I read your comment I know that he doesn't cheat, thanks.
KKoma
The problem is that these are all from one event (even the same map). You don't see flusha with 3 VAC moments in the exact same map.
I think the correct move here would be to check the PC during the LAN and see whether that proves anything
The kill threw the box on skadoodle was the most blatant shit I have ever seen lmao and combined with the rest of the round.
lie detector test all pro players that would be fun to watch :D
Subroza uses like 1.55 sens on 400 dpi, anything but fast.
Subroza plays on 1.5 sens 400 dpi and his movements are weird af for someone who plays on such a low sens
This was a good video. I was afraid you were just going to highlight Subroza and not mention all the other pros. Glad to see you did.
In the mirage clip Subroza saw and was shooting at the guy by the wall so nothing suspicious there.
I highly doubt he was consider Ryu is highly against it and wouldn't knowingly allow it in any matter.
a simple camera either to his mouse or keyboard would solve everything. if subroza uses 400dpi 1.5 sens i expect to see his arm flopping left and right or his arm not moving at all
subroza's sensitivity is fairly low. taken from his stream bot with command !sens. "Subroza's Sensitivity is 1.55 in game with 400 DPI and mouse raw_input On."
I use to play at that sense and one full mousepad sweep of about a foot is barely a 180 degree turn. No way he's turning that quick.
3 easy steps to prevent cheating AND protect the players from accusations:
1) Keylogger
2) All equipment (mice, keyboards, headsets) + Software (e.g. steam accounts) is brand new and should be provided by the tournament organiser
3) GoPros to capture hand movements in detail
BTW @Richard Lewis he skipped premier, he was just a main player.
Here we have another obviously lock boiiis
the entire immortals lineup had the same exact mouse movement as if they were aimlocking in the northern arena event.
Agree 100% with this video. And people are saying he plays 1.5 @ 400dpi, which is low tbh.
Richard just so you know if you press the little gear/settings symbol you can play youtube videos in slow-motion.
I am not saying this is true but:
I think a lot can be explained away by his playstyle.
Everytime he was on the observer feed, you saw his shoulder shaking like crazy (moving the mouse a lot) and always shaking his mouse in those little circles, even in spawn or when no enemy could be close.
Its quite obvious that the more you move your mouse, especially in high pressure situations, the more likely it will be you lock onto somebody by chance.
tl;dr
Bad habit + high sens/much movement
Getting this recommended 5 years later, but if he did cheat, best decision he made was to stop.
As a self-accclaimed semi-pro/competitive player at Counter-Strike, I can tell that a lot of people don't realise that their are pre-aim and pre-fire spots that you just get used to after playing so many competitive matches of CS. Although some of the things that Subroza are doing are quite fishy, other things aren't really. A good example of someone thought to be cheating, Flusha's 'lock' on the guy palace, mirage, after the defuse it is standard pre-aim, because after the defuse in many situations someone playing palace will immediately peak to at least try and deny the gun save.
Someone invented a anticheat for lan events, where you plug the mouse/keyboard into, and the device compares what happens on the mouse/keyboard compared to what happens on the actual server. Why doesnt lan events use that yet?
wouldnt that kind of remove all doubts?
let me ask you something
what does the facecam brings to this video apart from taking a third of the screen space for nothing?
I can give a reasonable explanation of the one at pop-dog right now because I do exactly that myself and you probably do too. Notice that Cutler is already dead, so he's watching the view of the other players, when I'm playing and I'm talking to someone who's already dead about info where he got shot from or saw someone run too etc I'll point my cursor at where i'm talking about and do a little circle to indicate so the player watching my view can see where I mean.
I don't know enough about cheat software to be able to claim anything in that area as to what hacking does or does not look like but upon seeing this clip my first thought was "That looks like hes talking to Cutler and pointing something out" which of the available hypothesis' (cheating or talking to Cutler) seems the most likely.
not sure if this has already been mentioned, but a 'mouse cam' would easily prove/disprove all this mess.
"I could make it like the tournament itself, and it'd be never ending"
Pure gold.
outside of the first one which i see why people think so but every single one of them are very common spots. if you look at this movement in general is really awkward, look at when he messes up and throws the nade on train its a awkward movement and theres more of that even when there is no one there. i have personally spoken to grt about the situation and he said he has done his good amount of research on him.
You rarely do this but you missed something in the white van mirage play. He see a the bench player previous to taking the fight close van. He sees them when he quick jumps onto the barrel and pops a couple shots at him. Look over it in slow motion.
Damn rewatching this video, didn't know every single pro in the scene is cheating
Richard for the clips on TH-cam, you can slow them down to half speed and quarter speed with the Speed option under the gear where you change the quality.
The mirage clip near the bench was the least fishy to me. because to me that seemed like communication was just very active then.
The commentator for the mirage clip against C9 was DaBears and he was 100% being sarcastic
The reason people are so sure about him is because he got like 10 clips in 2 weeks where Flusha has 10 over 2 year.
The fact of the matter is this. If you wanted to get away with cheating on LAN, it is possible to make that happen. This is a problem. Now, why isn't it being fixed?
i don't think he's cheating, the replays and specs arent exact since they're not 128 tick the flicks sometimes look too jerky and such. it can be seen the best with awps
On the last clip skadoodle just killed a guy from jungle and he kind of gets stuck in the doorway, leading him to be tagged even more, that certainly can be called a coincidence. His aim seems really jerky and shaky, maybe he is a really high sensitivity player(watch some of Professor_Chaos gameplay from his early days in Splyce and you will see some similar stuff fairly often)
No he didn't he was smoked of and he wasn't in door he was in cubby, he then moves to door and fires 1 shot thru the smoke and hits him again
400dpi, 1.5 sens.
+Matt Cooke yea lol 400 dpi and 1.5 sens isnt high at all. Have you seen shroud, hiko, or stewies?
+Matt Cooke sorry not directed at you
lol shroud plays @ 2 400 on native
2 days without a video valve hit squad got Richard
Shox has a lot of moments like this too, but we never know
Except 1.7 sens at 400DPI isn't high sens lol. He must be throwing his arm out of his socket if he plays like that.
The other problem with this situation that may lead people to believing that Subroza is not legit is how he is handling the whole situation. He is not handling the situation the way you'd think an innocent person would.